Godot's Trial - Trials and Tribulations Aftermath
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Spoilers for Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations
*Seriously, play the game first, you'll thank yourself*
One thing about the Ace Attorney series is that you do a lot of accusing. That got me to thinking about all the trials of people you never end up seeing. The only taste of that you get (from the first three games, which is all I've played at time of posting) is in the second episode of Trials and Tribulations.
So what happens to Godot? I sincerely doubt a once renowned defense attorney would lay down and take a guilty verdict. I also doubt someone as prideful as Godot would let a state-appointed attorney defend him. So that's where this comes in.
Just my headcanon. I can't say for sure if this is the route the original writers would take but whatever. I thought it was a fun idea.
Clips made using objection.lol
Edited in Sony Vegas Pro 16
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Phoenix: I wonder how you'll squeeze out of this one
Godot: Do you know who the prosecutor of the trial will be?
Phoenix: Well I heard from Edgeworth that it's Pay- wait a minute
Godot: Coffee's on me after this
I can picture this so vividly as a Mornal animation LMAO
I've studied law and like this honest to God the most accurate trial I've seen for an AA game. You did an amazing job and I am literally speechless.
I have some questions regarding this. If Payne actually had a transcript of the previous case... Could Godot be in trouble and had a guilty veredict?
Also I guess the change of plea was absolutely necessary to get Godot out of the hook, but why he didn't change it on the begining?
Maybe my questions have obvious answers but I don't know much about laws and coutrooms
@@elj3ster
*TLDR: You need evidence to prosecute so the transcripts were necessary. Diego Armando is a dramatic, but accurate man and his change in plea mistrial isn't unusual. This got long so click the read more with caution*
I am going to preface this with several things (and apologise this got very long by accident). First, I am Canadian and the Criminal Codes is the what we use as a basis for criminal proceedings here. Criminal law is different from both American and Japanese law, especially Evidence law. Second, my main focus was in Employment law and I did my internship dealing with unlawful termination. I learned the basics of criminal and the only time I was directly involved in a case regarding the criminal code, it wasn't murder. I also never went on to pursue law once my schooling was done due to a hard case I was apart of that made me realise I couldn't do this for the rest of my life.. Third, Ace Attorney has always had a basis in actual criminal law (since it is suppose to be a spoof of the Japanese legal system) but employed it differently. The world is built in a way where there are some rules that match irl, but it doesn't mean it's employ in the correct manner.
First, I am going to be looking at this as though I am applying the Charter of Freedoms and Rights and the Criminal Code of Canada, since that is what is what I know (and I have access to) with the disclaimer that I am not a lawyer and never took the bar. Here at least, whatever Diego confessed to in the last trial would not be able to be held against him period. Section 13 pertains to 'self-incrimination' which states that a witness can't have their testimony used against them as they "the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings....." Diego isn't a witness, but I don't think there's any case law out there of a lawyer confessing to murder, but I think that still stands. Payne would have to go through the whole procedure of proving him guilty without a confession, but obviously Payne is a shit lawyer and would of lost the trial immediately.
If we were looking at this without this rule (since they're not Canadian obv), I still stand beside Diego. You need proof in order to get a conviction. It's been a while since I watched the video so idk if it was brought up, by Payne being like "well it was said here in court" is hearsay without any evidence to back it up. Hearsay is information you got second hand. Unless Payne had solid document showing what transpired, whatever he says can't be accepted as proper evidence. You always need evidence. It's something I've always enjoyed about AA is that Phoenix always needs proof for his theories which is how it would go in court (though less wild). The Judge can't be like "oh yes I remember that, guilty!" because that would open up the opportunity of appeal. The Judge wasn't correct in their sentencing and thus a miscarriage of justice while means a new trial. *You always need evidence when you are in court*. Edgeworth might be the King of Prosecutors, but he isn't shit compared to evidence. In the courtroom, evidence is king and trumps all. You can say whatever you like and reference whatever case you want, but unless you have the proof and documents to back it up, your words mean nothing.
You are right about the plea, Diego should of changed his plea at the beginning, but this was for dramatic effect. As in 'not guilty of second degree murder but the defence enters a plea of defense of a third party'. Plea changes do happen midway through trial, but this normally seen with a plea bargain. I have seen it happen where the defence has changed their approach midway through trial too, but prosecution is aware of this. Defence and Prosecution often work in tandem, because the goal is less to punish a person but to see justice done. Our legal system is still corrupt, but there is a different outlook and approach. Rehabilitation, at least in cases I've dealt with, tends to be the goal more so than prison time. So again, Diego was well within his right to change the plea midtrial, but the way he did it was more on the dramatic side.
In the end, I still stand by what I said before that this is one of the most accurate representations of how courts actually work and the way evidence is handled. That doesn't mean it's perfect and still at it's heart an AA case which means it's here more for the drama and story. Either way, the person who made this video should be very proud of themselves.
@@artificialraspberify OMFG, I just expected copper and found a gold mine. Thank you very much. It doesnt matter that it went long actually, so long as it was precise. That was pretty interesting tbh.
@@elj3ster Thanks! I actually grabbed my hardcopy of evidence law and criminal proceedings to write this all down; it made me feel like I was back in school again writing out case study lol
If you liked that, keep an eye out.
Not bad at all. Kind of makes me wish they'd release a small set of cases where the person you thought was guilty of murder ended up being guilty of a lesser crime and was tried for that. There are definitely a few of them.
Who else could've?
@@Sir_Isaac_Newton_ Phoenix and Maya on the third case of SOJ
I mean (SPOILERS FOR INVESTIGATIONS 2) There is one in investigations 2, even though you don't play as the defense
SPOILERS
Another example could be dee Vasquez since it seemed more like self defense then murder
AA1 SPOILERS
April May's another example. You might think *she* murdered Mia at first, but she ended up wiretapping her phone, with the assistance of Redd White.
Something about seeing Godot as a defense attorney, and a COMPETENT one at that, is so soothing. You just know you can trust him. Excellent work! 😄
13:05 Godot's reaction at being fined $1000 was epic.
😂 ikr
that was max xD
Wish he would've told people it was impossible for him to tamper with evidence because he couldn't see the blood, right?
@@unstopable_rob And because Mr. Payne did not have the requested court transcript from the previous trial, what Phoenix revealed would have not mattered. So yeah he could very well make a case like that.
Second Degree of Homicide: Not Guilty
Tampering with Evidence: Guilty
Punishment Part 1: 300 Hours Community Service(Godot:*Sounds fair*)
Punishment Part 2: And a Fine of 1000$(Godot: SHIT)
2:07 Now there’s an Objection you never see on Ace Attorney. No one ever objects to leading questions.
@Sonny Karter nobody cares
Actually, if I remember correctly, prosecutor Blackquill objects to a leading question in one of the trials in Dual Destinies
@@RaiShaFIN I didn’t play any of the newer 3D AA Games so I wouldn’t know if he did or not.
@@damiencurrency15 Yeah, fair enough
@@damiencurrency15 Based.
Nobody:
Payne:
*. . .*
**sweating intensifies**
Oh my goodness, that was absolutely perfect! As a huge Godot fan, I'm always annoyed at how he and his case is forgotten. I am accepting this as cannon and I can now rest in peace. Thank you.
it is logically very legit lmao
Godot only wanted to fight Wright in the end to know if Wright would protect the only connection left to Mia. after the case wouldn't he admit his crimes after all he was ready for death since there's nothing else to live for.
@@smallgyro4932 maybe he would’ve done it for the sake of it. Maybe, he wanted to feel closer to Mia one last time, or remember what his life was like before his coma.
I feel as if this trial was the only realistic one out of the bunch. Objectifying leading questions without a testimony, and other tidbits throughout. Especially when it felt like it wasn't just "Defense vs Prosecutor!" But actually finding the truth.
Man, Payne sucks; can't even win a trial with all the facts already known...
At least he’s honest and tries to play by the rules. Now his brother on the other hand...
@@cylipses2573 Payne has a brother?
@@sahanboydl Yes, his name is Gaspen Payne.
@@cyrus1302 ohhhhhh, was he the guy from the 3d game?
@@sahanboydl Yep, he was.
Proper use of hearsay!!! Someone did their legal homework.
Amazing.
Heck, I really want a spin-off about attorney Godot. Would be epic.
I am eating popcorn seeds
@@BatteryChargingMasterwere they yummy
Godot's reaction to the fine was... *priceless*
Aren't you godot?
@@jdkoeppen I commented that like a month before I switched my profile pic
Bonus bucks for that objection to the leading question. I wish Phoenix did that... it would save so much trouble...
Wow this was really well put together! Everyone acted in character and the dialogue was great. Only thing I'll say is in my headcannon Godot would probably just let everything after T&T happen without his input but if he did decide to defend himself this is exactly how I'd want it!
I love how the person who made this seems to actually know quite a lot about law! I'm impressed
Haha holy shit that's actually clever, I didn't think that Godot had a way to escape punishment for murder but now it makes sense!
Also I wonder if this could reduce Iris's punishment as well
Nonetheless amazing video!
Yay the ending I wanted ! Thank you so much for making this. Hope it gets popular very soon 👏👍
🥴
I want Godot to cameo as a cafe owner in ace attorney 7. He doesn’t recognize any of the player characters… maybe wright. but at least we know he isn’t rotting like Kristoph Gavin in confinement.
YES! BARISTA GODOT LMAO
That's way better than the idea I had. I don't know what I was thinking in hindsight. My vision was the community service made him become a garbage man, but cafe owner makes way more sense.
Godot ended up wanting to be punished for his crime, so idk if this would happen. Still, does make me feel good.
That's what he was implying at the end of the game, but I'd compare it to pro fighters saying they're retiring after a bad loss. I mean he just had his whole view of someone shattered, he's bound to say something out of emotion.
Here's the thing though, Godot can't see red, meaning he couldn't clean up the blood
@@unstopable_rob That's why he shoveled such a large area of snow around the statue. He couldn't be sure where the blood had landed.
@@derpydude-eh1gv but he didn't clean the knife that he got stabbed with off?
@@unstopable_rob He can't see red in a white background. The daggers blade color is white, so he didn't see it.
This... is surprisingly well thought-out, damn. Godot was right - even if Maya or the Judge said "it was because a demoness was attacking" no difference.
With the transcript, he might have gotten a harsher punishment, but even then, he might have been able to plea Heat of the Moment due to his trauma with the silhouette of Dahlia Hawthorne.
The worst part of this video is the fact that its not cannon
Even if this would never be canon
I count it as canon in my head
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS! Godot is so underrated!
Woah an actual legitimate objection!
Loved this, it was wonderful how you put together the testimonies with the cross-examinations, especially since they weren't apart of Objection lol at the time.
If another Ace Attorney game comes, I want to see Godot and Franziska Von Karma back. That would be so epic.
And to hear Godot's theme when he comes back... noice
I’m really happy that you continued godot’s journey because I didn’t want him to go to jail
Boy this is a High Quality video
Best I could do. Objection.lol doesn't have the title cards at all and I could only ever find the "guilty" green screen on youtube.
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel please do a remake with the new objection lol functions
@@kotikvtanke2349 I thought about it but then I'd just have two of the same video pretty much. I wish youtube had a feature to edit segments but oh well.
Don't worry though. I plan to make more cases when I've got the free time for it.
I don't care about Capcom. THIS is my headcanon.
I formally declare it canon until capcom explicitly says otherwise.
DUDE THIS IS JUST SO DAMN GOOD HOLY SHIT , GOOD WORK
Wow, this is amazing quality! I don’t know what objection.lol was like a year ago, but having finagled with the website myself, I can tell you put a lot of work into the pacing and text formatting. Plus, the dialogue itself felt true to canon. The ending was sublime 😊
That mug slam synced perfectly with the beat of the music at 11:51
he's a rapper on the side
It's oddly satisfying that most creators sync his movements to the music.
Words cannot tell you how much i like this video. really great job, almost feels like it was real at times. i hope you do more of these aftermath cases!
OBJECTION!
your honor, the witness is so underrated and deserves more subscribes
I love this! I like the change from the usual pounding of the evidence to the pounding of the law. Although personally I imgained a lot bigger of a point on if the court would recognize a difference between channeler and the spirit. Cause that would be precedent setting and what not
We can assume the courts don't accept anything regarding spirit channeling as evidence from the lack of its mention in 2-2 and the DL-6 incident being so controversial in-universe. I suppose it would sound weird to hear an attorney say "No, it wasn't my client but the person posessing them".
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel yeah. Payne doesn't seem like the kind of prosecutor who would try to change the precedent. Also it's ironic that if there's already precedent about not separating spirit mediums from spirits, that what hurt Maya once, helped Godot
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
It's tough because I 100% buy that Godot is absolutely smart enough to get himself out of a murder charge, and it would be awesome if he 'did' to that... but I'm not sure it's in character for him to just decide to do this when he seemingly resigned himself to his fate at the end of T&T.
I feel like there'd have to be a 3rd party to force his hand. Maybe a Redd White type of corrupt businessman character comes and is like "You need to get yourself out of this situation, and if you don't I'll do XYZ" and kind of forces Godot to undo his own confession. It would even explain how Winston Payne would prosecute a case like this; some back deal was made by said 3rd party.
But also I really like the interactions between Godot and Payne, where Payne literally can't keep his composure when Godot just 'stares' at him XD
I would agree if not for two things:
1. Godot is very sentimental after getting caught, but he never gives a hard confession to murder. He says he doesn't know what he was thinking, which led to Payne's fumble in this trial. This could probably be explained by him getting caught up in the emotions from seeing Mia's spirit. We can assume that his attitude would change when he gets some time to stew on it and think (such as in a jail cell).
2. He likely feels some sense of duty toward Maya. We can tell he holds Phoenix personally responsible for Mia's death up until the end of 3-5. If he weren't in the coma when she was killed, he would be unbearably guilty for not being able to save her. Now that he's out of the coma he may feel like he has to protect Maya to do what he couldn't do for Mia.
I honestly believe it's more out of character for a man like Godot to lay down and die than to try and fight.
this whole video is genius
This is really well put together, and well researched. Great job!
This needs to be canonized
I can't believe I'm only seeing this now! ❤️ Thank you for this! The idea of Godot/Armando this competent as a defense attorney makes me wish we got to see how he was, given how he was one of the firm's best 😩
This is amazing, i loved it so much! I had fun while watching it.
The spin-off we all are waiting
This is such a good what if scenario
I would like to see more of this for other characters
OMG This was very well made
I enjoyed a lot
thank you for making this
This made me atleast a little happy about future of godot
Well done! Not only do I believe Godot is intelligent and proficient enough to do this, I believe Maya would have gone along with it, even with what Diego said at the end.
"Anyone who defends themselves has a fool for a lawyer."
I wonder if the judge remembers that Phoenix Wright, by this point, not only defended himself but also revealed the true killer (though I guess he did have Mia's help).
Dude this was relly well done!
Oh, I loved it.
Just binged it on a lets play recently.
At least he didn't get the death penalty, seemingly.
This had me quaking like a real trial, ggs.
OMG THIS NEEDS WAAAAAAAAAAAY MORE VIEWS!
True to form!!!
Amazing! This trial was very well done
This is actually very well made. Thought it was a shitpost. Well done.
This is canon to me.
And thus godot showed up in ace attorney investigating miles edgeworth
What tf
This needs more views
It's the little things like making the aspect ratio similar to captured footage of a DS that make this all the more believable. Well done sir 👏.
this reminds me of a fan case here on youtube a long time ago about edgeworth trying to help godot right after the events of bridge to the turnabout, but i can't find it nor remember its name, does it ring a bell to anyone here?, i think the prosecutor was payne and at some point double jeopardy being mentioned but not much else
Have you found it? Sounds very interesting, would love to watch it sometime!
@@fferthe still no dice, maybe i'll have to go someplace else like reddit to ask although to be fair i gave up kinda quickly after my 1st 30 min looking for it here, so i think another sweep should be in order.
if you happen to look for it on your own and find it, please tell me via this thread, the only thing i can add to my initial description is that godot was apprehensive at first about receiving edgeworth's help.
"leading question"
Oh, this is gonna be good
I have but one complaint:
Not enough coffee metaphors. XD
Someone lime Godot could beat Payne even when he was already proven guilty
armando back to being a defense attorney
Anyone else just hear "Coffee coffee coffee coffee" when Armando drinks?
This was so good!
Wow this wasn't to bad actually it was actually quite good.
If you like aftermath content, watch Regina's Trial here: ua-cam.com/video/p7p1uNYXlms/v-deo.html
This was amazing. Could you do Blaise Debeste's trial too?
@@onlookerofthings6029 I have to admit, I've never played AAI. Maybe sometime in the future, but keep an eye out.
dat channel name
i wish this was canon
I saw Payne and knew Godot would get what he wants
This is canon for me, I don't care whether it was made by the creators or a random dude on UA-cam
Today is February 20th. UA-cam recommended on god mode rn.
How he away with murder
i want this to be real in the game!
I hope Godot shows up in AA7
Ah yes, deadot
As an owner of a coffee room. Named "Mia".
hes dead lol
WOW THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE
Trial: HD
Testimony starting : 240p
This was before objection.lol added the testimony title cards. Had to improvise with something from a completely different website.
the $1000 fine
Well, why wouldn't Payne have the case transcript? That's just weird. Anyway, could have built up more on the contradiction of the victim's wounds not fitting with Dahlia's testimony from the transcript (her back was to the wall, and we know that to be true because of the upside-down message, so how did Godot stab her in the back with a sword?)
There is not a single case in the main 6 games where a court transcript shows up as a piece of evidence. You could say it's just because it was never needed, but I like to think it's just not common practice to keep it in evidence. Sure, maybe a competent lawyer like Edgeworth would have it, just in case, but Payne? Payne's a nitwit, of course he wouldn't have it.
And the location of the wounds is irrelevant if there's reasonable doubt in that it was defense of a third party rather than murder. You would need to go back into the case to explain how it was murder in spite of the defense of Maya, which Payne would never be equipped to do against a lawyer of Godot's caliber. And again, he didn't have the transcript, so it would be he said, she said. With Godot's pure humiliation of Payne, there would be no reason for the judge to grant an extra day, which is the only way he'd be able to fumble together a coherent argument.
Thanks for watching!
It was perfect
underrated
Is this official or fan made?
Fan made, though I'm flattered you had to ask.
Godot is againsy payne, godot won already
Excuse me?! Where am I?! I am the most important prosecutor so why didn’t you add me!
Because then the video would be too long
Check my newest video, madam prosecutor ;)
epic
didn't he go to jail?
He got arrested but there's no canon on how the trial went. He's never mentioned again in the series from what I've seen.
Some people think he got executed, some people say he's alive and kicking
@@kotikvtanke2349 some people says that he's just drinking coffee
@@kotikvtanke2349
Iirc he is canonically confirmed as dead but I could be wrong.
@@RayyanTheLad no not rlly
5:58 A KARIN
but godot was arrested?
Yes, and this is how I picture his trial going.
“The accused will surrender to the court immediately...to be held pending trial at a higher court within a month from today’s date.”
-The Judge
nice fan made art but might wanna put (not cannon) in the title
(PLEASE MAKE A PART TWO SHOWING THIS, I WORKED SO HARD ON TYPING THIS)
OBJECTION *everything goes quiet and it cycles through all the characters there*
Judge: did someone just yell out objection?
Me: yes your honor, Godot, you are admiting to tampering with evidence, correct?
Godot: yes
Me: and does this also include cleaning up blood left behind by your wounds?
Godot: yes
Me: Mr. Godot *hands him a piece of paper with a message written in red ink saying "if you can't see this then you didn't tamper with evidence"* can you read what's on this paper for me?
Godot: what's on it? There's nothing on it
Judge: this man's point being?
Me: *hands it to the judge* can you read what's on this paper?
Judge: yes, your handwriting is a little bad but I can still read it
Me: *writes the word "if you can read this you are innocent" in black ink* Mr. Godot, your honor, can you both read this fine?
Payne: OBJECTION, what is the point of this?
Me: it'll all come together soon
Judge and Godot: I can read this just fine
Me: THIS MEANS GODOT COULDN'T SEE THE BLOOD HE WAS CLEANING UP
Audience: *talking*
Judge: *slams gavel* ORDER, SIR, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!
Me: I'M SAYING HE CAN'T SEE RED YOUR HONOR SO IT'D BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO CLEAN UP THE BLOOD
Godot: well then how did I do it?
Me: *points at Maya* THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD'VE DONE IT, GODOT, WERE YOU PROTECTING HER FORM *THIS* TOO?
Godot: then Maya's name on the statue, wouldn't she clean THAT up too?
Me: simple explanation, you ran off afterwords and Maya was left cleaning up all the other evidence and she left as soon as possible, and then Dahlia knowing that you two were gone, wrote Maya's name on the statue
Godot: but why her name and not mine?
Me: have you forgotten that Misty wants Maya in a body bag?
Godot: *face mask explodes*
Me: I rest my case your honor
Judge: in that case I find Godot, for the charge of forging evidence...
N O T
G U I L T Y
*confetti flies everywhere*
Judge: Maya Fey
Maya: *crying* y-yes your honor?
Judge: a trial will be held for you on a different date, with that out of the way, court is adjourned
It's a cool idea but remember he did tamper with evidence by clearing away the bloody snow around the stone lantern. He did miss the spot that had Maya's name, but him clearing away the snow is evidence enough for the crime.
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel he would have no reason to clear the snow if he couldn't see the blood, that's why he had Maya do it
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel sorry, that's why Maya did it for him
@@unstopable_rob But she was unconcious during the whole time. Besides, even if she did it I don't think Godot would let her get charged with anything.
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel which is why he took the blame
Uhhh....he should go to jail....
Why?
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel He literally killed someone. Even if he saved Maya in the process, what does it change? Saving someone in the process of killing still does a murderer make.
@@aussiehtc5635 Not in many states in the US. Defense of a third party is a perfectly legal defense, even through killing the attacker. Under current California law, Godot's situation fits the definition. You could argue that it may be different in the AA universe, but this is just a headcanon anyway.
@@Hmm_Ace_Attorney_Channel But AA is set in Japan....
@@aussiehtc5635 Nope, it's set in a fictional version of Los Angeles with heavy japanese influences. DGS 1 and 2 take place in Japan I believe, but the main 6 games all happen in California.