2023 Trail Bike Shootout Rankings | The Conclusion Video
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Join in on the Dialed MTB 2023 Trail Bike Shootout! This is the Overall Ranking and Conclusion video which includes talking about the Santa Cruz Hightower V3, SCOR 4060 ST, Ibis Ripmo V2S, Pivot Switchblade, Transition Smuggler and We Are One Arrival.
This series has 6 bikes, the Santa Cruz Hightower V3, Transition Smuggler, Pivot Switchblade, SCOR 4060 ST, We Are One Arrival and Ibis Ripmo. These bikes will be put up to each other in a head to head match up in 3 separate videos then an overall 2023 Trail Bike Shootout Champion will be crowned in the final conclusion video. Stay tuned!
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Love this series and your channel, thanks for the thorough testing. I'm an Ibis Ripmo owner and glad to see it held up to the test. For anyone else considering a Ripmo, definitely take a look at the DVO Jade X Coil. I'd love to see timestamps with chapters, here's some that I noticed:
0:00 - Intro and explaining the bike choice
3:19 - 6th Scor 4060 ST
6:34 - 5th Pivot Switchblade
11:10 - 4th Santa Cruz Hightower
16:00 - 3rd Ibis Ripmo
19:23 - 2nd Transition Smuggler
21:30 - 1st WeAreOne Arrival
Thank you I really appreciate that! The Ripmo is a rad bike for sure! But thank you for going through the trouble to look all that up! I’ll get on the computer and see what I can do.
Thanks for that. Love the vid but it’s long and indexing would be great
No surprise, the WR1 Arrival is a different beast and probably the most unique bike in the testing. Also, the Arrival 152 SP1 comes with the Sram X01 AXS group set not GX AXS and X01 carbon cranks. Thanks for comparison content!
Yeah the Arrival is a special bike for sure, like I said We Are One put some magic in this thing that just doesn't make it fair to the rest! haha
Fantastic series - such a great watch , makes me want to buy a new bike monthly.
I’ll say this - you’ll buy another Hightower.
Everybody gets away from Santa Cruz for a while, but then you realize when you put their Bikes all together all things considered they are the top dog .
I’ve sold two high towers and rebought them both times. I’ve resigned myself to always have one in my garage.
Keep up the excellence
Haha yeah I always end up with another Yeti or Santa Cruz in my garage. Those two brands are definitely my overall favorites. I currently have a Tallboy V5 and SB160 and love them both! I have had a handlful of both Hightowers and SB130’s in the last 4 years! Haha
Also thank you on the feedback and I am stoked you enjoyed the series! I hope it brought a little different experience then most of the “Bike Tests” out there!
I've had my first edition Arrival since 2021 and am glad more people are finding out about them. Rad bike that really does everything exceptionally well. If you're looking in that market I can't recommend it enough especially with the PUSH 11.6 for the rear.
Yeah the Arrival is amazing! Such a rad bike for sure!
Thanks for this field test. Have a good one!
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Pivot must have listened to you because for 2024, they did go slightly slacker in the head tube angle and steeper in the seat tube. Be interesting for you to review the updated 2024.
I will most likely reach out to Pivot soon to see if they are interested in having me review the new bike. I just have a small injury and another bike showing up soon so if they do send it I want to be able to take full advantage of getting a good amount of time on it and not just a few rides.
But yeah the new bike sounds awesome!! Exactly what I wanted out of it, it seems.
Nice reviews. A couple of thoughts on how you could improve your content. You clearly have a lot of experience on these bikes. It would be helpful if you would provide context on how you like to ride and your trails you are testing on. The next step to help your viewers is to describe which types of trails best suit each bike. Instead of just giving us numbers for climbing, descending, etc., how about describing what about these characteristics differentiated it from the other bikes on test. Also best to describe how you got along with the bike in terms of fit and components. If the fit or components weren’t to your liking or were setup exactly how you like it that will dramatically change your perspective on any bike. You’re going to hate any bike that feels too big or too small, brakes you aren’t comfortable with, uncomfortable saddle, bars too wide or too barrow, etc.
Thank you for the feedback! I think about a lot of that stuff but it is so hard to get everything in a video that everyone wants to know without each video being 30-40 minutes! But I do appreciate the input! Thank you!
Hey man. I've really been interested in the Arrival. I see you went with the med, how tall are you?
I am just over 5'8"
It's tough to review mountain bikes. Doesn't bother me what place. I have Pivot's current switchblade xt/xtr. Does everything I want. The design is going on three years. Maybe Chris Cocalis will redesign it for 24?
Yeah I think the current switchblade came out in early 2020 so I could see it getting an update soon. Not for sure but it would make sense.
I have a Tallboy V4. Considering moving to a Ripmo or smuggler. Since you've ridden all 3, what difference do you see? I know they are very different bikes. I've heard the Ripmo pedals uphill just as well and has more room for getting weird on the down. Thanks for the work you've done on these videos
So the Ripmo feels different than the other two for sure, I would say it does not climb as well as the others, its not far off and for being in a different category it does super well! But with the Pike and Super deluxe on the Tallboy V5 that is my favorite out of those 3 bikes. Honestly a bike you didn't mention that I think should go maybe to the top of your list is the Yeti SB140 or SB140 LR. It climbs better than the Ripmo, not as good as the TB, but similar to the Smuggler and descends as well or better than all of them. Plus they have crazy good deals on them right now!
@@dialedmtbso funny, I just saw a sb130 turq t2 for 40% off. Good recommendation. Thanks!
How are you liking it??
@@dialedmtb Thanks for asking. Due to weather, I've only ridden it a few times in sub optimal conditions. Definitely a racier feel. Has a lot of giddy up when I put down power. Climbing feels good. Yeti seems to have a little less traction on roots and may bounce around in the rear more. Descending will be decided down the road. I've ridden some goofy stuff with my TB. I hope the Yeti can outshine it.
Yeah the last generation of Yeti's (SB115,130,150) you have to ride more aggressive for sure. The new ones have a softer feeling rear end, but you have to spend a lot more to get a new generation bike while the SB130 is still an awesome bike!
All of the bikes in this review are so good and your honest opinions are top notch. Thank you for not being biased. I'm curious how the Arrival would compare with the Esker Rowl and Revel Rascal. If only we all could be so lucky to ride all 6 before picking our winner. Keep up the good content.
Thank you for following along and commenting on a bunch of the videos! I appreciate it a lot! But I have rode the Revel Rascal, it was 2-3 years ago when I rode it, but I would say it is a great bike but I think it would slot in the 5th-ish positions in this test. That is my opinion though.
I've owned the esker rowl, and it was the worst bike I've had in my 20 years of riding. Had lots of issues with it.
Do you think the spec tire played a part in the overall rating? Maybe one tire helped a bike maybe held another bike back?
So I have had some other comments with the same question. I rode every bike with either a DHR II or Assegai for front or rear. Then I had the tire clearance issue with the Smuggler so I switched it to a tire that would fit without rubbing which was the new Trail style 2.4 Forekaster, then since it was paired up against the Hightower I swapped the DHR II on the Hightower to a very similar rear tire that Maxis says its a lot alike, which was the Dissector. I have rode on all of these tires an absolute ton and understand which each one does on my local dirt so I do not think there was any advantage to any bike or disadvantage since I did at one point run all of these bikes with a DHR II in the rear and either an Assegai or DHR II in the front.
It would have been nice to have all the same tires (if they would all fit as well) also if I were to do that, it could have cost me $1000 which is more then I would make on UA-cam in multiple years hahah.
I love my revel rascal and will probably get the updated frame when it drops. Great reviews though.
Has there been news of a new Rascal coming out? That would be rad!
If you still have the arrival, try a 180mm oneup dropper, it fit me on my medium and im glad. Worst case, you can also add a shim to do 170. 150 is a joke in comparison.
Hey! I thought about putting a Wolf Tooth on (they have some of the shortest insertion to length on the market) but I actually got rid of it and got the SB160 which I have a 200mm dropper on now.
@@dialedmtbOoo.
Very nice review. I've heard really good things about that We Are One, so you're probably spot on regarding your choice for number one👍
Thank you, I appreciate it! Hope you enjoyed the whole series!
Shouldn't the SC 5010 mullet be the one up for trail testing instead of the Hightower? I have the impression it might be in top 3 overall, if not top 1 for fun.
I did reach out to SC in February to see if they wanted to send one for the test, they responded to me at the end of June.. haha But I also think the Hightower fit into this group of bikes the best out of all of SC's bikes, with the 5010 a close second. Mostly because of the 27.5 rear wheel and all the other bikes were 29 front and rear.
You mention the stumpjumper. Could you give it grades for climbing, descending and fun? Value right now is crazy with a frame being half the price on sale compared to these 3 ($1749)
The problem with giving it a rating is it wouldn't be as accurate. I rode all of these 6 bikes back to back so I was able to compare them to each other and that's where the ratings came from. I haven't rode the stumpy in about a year. From what I remember it's super solid though. Would probably be one of the best climbers in the test. Descending was really good, and without riding it back to back, from what I remember it was just a tiny bit less plush than the smuggler. So yeah for the current price of the stumpjumper and the price of these three I would go with specialized.
@@dialedmtb totally get it. Appreciate it!
Definitely the first time I’ve heard anyone say that the Hightower climbs better than the Switchblade
I was surprised also. I haven't seen many comparisons on the Hightower V3 vs the Switchblade though. I would say the Switchblade climbs better than the Hightower V2 but the V3 climbs better in my opinion.
I like all of them. I think the SCOR would be great on the New England stuff I ride. Up and down all the time and tight turns.
Bought a Scor recently. I love this bike. I ride mostly blue or black trails in western WA. Scor climbs amazing. Great in tight rough trails. Poor bike in the park. I've ridden 1/2 these bikes. I've demoed the ibis...quite liked it. Didn't like the pivot.
@@chrisfrolich683 last Pivot I had was an older 429 and front end wandered all over the place on the hills. Rear suspension was great though. Got a 21 Stumpjumper and a 22 Stumpy EVO now. EVO is ridiculously flexible. Really enjoying it on the tech. Brought it to Quebec as well and it was excellent.
Having both Stumpjumpers is rad! I had the standard Stumpy about a year and a half ago and absolutely loved that bike!
@@dialedmtb it’s a great bike but definitely leans towards the XC side. Geo is great
The Arrival has pushed my e-bike acceptance out another few years... Climbing is the most un-talked about benefit of this bike. It simply speeds uphill and makes that "another" lap effortless.
Yeah it is pretty dang impressive for the climb! I tried to make that knows in all the videos that I talked about this bike!
@@dialedmtb I thought you highlighted that very well. The light weight design, the geometry and the energy return of the carbon fibre frame and wheels just makes it so responsive every peddle stroke
Good to hear! I agree 100% with that!
Wow the cable routing on the smugs is atrocious. When I got my alloy patrol I was actually surprised there was zero cable routing for a $2300 frame and they just sent me a 8" long rubber gromet to TRY to weasel around the dropper cable. Basically the cables just flop around inside of the frame, wish they did a better job with that. My patrol also gets quite a bit of rock chips and scraps inside the rear triangle like you mentioned.
The smugs routing is just a gaping hole on the frame and rear triangle? That would get filled up with dirt and water where I ride, bummer because I really like that bike but not for a $3699 frame and that lack of refinement.
Great reviews man, really makes me want to try the Arrival but i'll bet they'll have a version 2 soon with some updates.
I just picked up a smuggler, pre built. It is very compact back there, I don’t think a whole lot of stuff can get in there. The bike looks very clean. Love it. As long as you don’t have to route cables more than once a year, I’ll take the clean frame over more user friendly routing.
Yeah I think that since the smuggler was the first bike with internal rear brake routing I would assume the next generations of the sentinel, spire, scout, etc. will all end up being a little better in that department. Or at least I would hope so!!
It is not the end of the world but still not something you want to see on such an expensive purchase for sure. I do think We Are One has a small update coming but I think it will just be the rear triangle. I have seen some pictures online and it looks like it now has a UDH and it has a flip chip built into the link which I am assuming will have the 130, 152, and 170 options all built into that 1 link now.
Sean, yeah the bike is for sure super clean looking and it rides super well also! haha
@@dialedmtb That 130 🤔
An SB130 or the Arrival 130?
Which size arrival did you go with?
I got the size medium.
I wonder what the seat tube length is on the Arrival. They don’t publish it on their geo chart…
Yeah I looked to see if they had and true measurement on that online but I couldn’t find it either.
...yep really wanted to hear your opinion on the Yeti SB 140LR....
So I did get to ride one for a short time a couple weeks ago! I will say I think that bike would have been either 2nd or 3rd overall. The Arrival would have still won, but the 140LR would probably of been 2nd. I will have a first ride on the SB120 coming out this week, and a short first ride of the 140 coming out the end of next week.
@@dialedmtb ...ok thanks...looking forward to those reviews...
@@dialedmtbInteresting
I like your videos, but the sound volume is very low :/
Thanks for letting me know!
I feel like the 150 dropper on the WAO arrival would drop that descent score quite a bit, if you kept catching it while on the downhills.
I mean that’s a valid point. But the bike itself out performs everything by a lot on the descents besides the dropper issue. You can get used to it, but it’s definitely the weak link.
I'd love to know how the WAO Arrival compares to a Transition Sentinel
I have only rode the aluminum Sentinel. So not quite in the same category but I’d love to ride both of them as well!
@@dialedmtb I'm currently riding an alloy Sentinel but possibly looking to move to an arrival. I know alloy to carbon can be quite different but how does climbing and descending compare?
The alloy Sentinel in my experience had a very smooth feel though anything and wanted to stay on the ground and go fast. I would say the Arrival does that super well as well, but then it has a very playful feeling as well that you just don't have with the Sentinel.
@@NDietrich You know what I always found wild is that people who have owned both the Sentinel and Spire often say that it feels like the Spire climbs even better 🤨
I honestly could see that.
This should have chapters
Like where it tells you where to go if you scroll over the video to go to a certain point in the video? Good feedback! I will have to look into how to do that.
Agreed chapters or at least time stamps in the description
Good content but your presentation needs work. Work on sound quality, color accuracy and the use of still and canned clips to the edit.
Thanks for the tips!
What about ibis ripely ?
The Ripmo was in this test.
WE RIOT!!!!!!! 🤣
Hahahah! Yep it is time!!! Heard it's starting at the capitol tonight at 8pm
@@dialedmtb I'll see you on the 9th green at 9pm 🤣
Where does the stump jumper fall into this?
The Stumpjumper is right in the middle. Now forget the Stumpjumper. Let's talk about the stumpy EVO. The EVO can do everything the Stumpjumper can to and oh so much more. The Stumpjumper is limited. Where as the EVO is not.
@@waynelenderman1115 I prefer the lighter stump jumper. I ride some technical uphills. I think the stumpy would be better
@@eric44707 that pretty much means that you have an XC. Now where your regular Stumpjumper is limited in the drops, downhills, chunky, meat of mountain biking. The EVO shines. The EVO can climb. The EVO is a beast on the downhill and chunky rooty 6ft plus drops. Long travel mountain trail bike is the EVO. Six different geometry settings for different types of riding.
Hey Eric, the Stumpjumper would be somewhere in the middle of the rankings. Very similar actually to the smuggler, but not quite as plush on the descents but probably a tiny bit better of a climber. I really enjoyed the Stumpjumper Pro when I had it a little over a year ago, definitely a rad bike! I think it is an awesome option right now with how big of sales they have on the 22/23 models!
Like Wayne said, the EVO does have a big range of options and is for sure more capable on the descents but that does not mean the standard Stumpy isn't really, really good still on the descent. Everyone rides in different areas and their regular loop varies a lot. So get the bike that suites what you need the best.
@@waynelenderman1115 I was originally looking at the evo. I’ve been out of work on disability for a little over 2 months now due to separating my shoulder going over the bars overshooting a table top. It’s made me a little gun shy so I need to be a little more responsible so I figured a short travel bike would be appropriate. I just don’t want to be over biked.
you need a mic on your chest
I do have a mic on my chest, its tucked behind my sweatshirt.
Break your video out
What do you mean?
@@dialedmtb like, you can segment the different topics you cover in the timeline. Thx for video
Oh okay, yeah I need to spend some time and learn how to do that.