@@matiagachaelomocom Hey Mati, sorry, missed your question. It is a fairly generic Race Face hub, the Trace hub. 36 points of engagement, steel axle. Just a sturdy, inexpensive hub. - Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo Hey Dan. Thanks for replying haha. Any idea if Transition would be making changes to internal rear brake cable routing on future bikes? Thanks again!
Phenomenal video! The mix of riding and interviewing - 👌. Please, use this video guy more as the tester in your future productions - he's extremely fun to watch, very skilled and seems to truly enjoy himself on this kind of a bike - he uses it like a musecal virtuoso uses his musical instrument. Very inspiring!
@Logan Patrick Nelson really well done Logan! Inspiring, playful, inventive, and enjoy seeing sequences of multiple attempts to make an idea come to life!
Logan rips! Get him in front of the camera. He rides like a champ, fun to watch!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼 Also, love the failed attempts in the edit. Such a down to earth vibe that is motivating
This is just a great video from start to finish. The riding, the filming, the inside knowledge from the Transition guys, that amazing Smuggler... Loved it... And it just made me wanna go ride my bike!
Nothing against Transition as one day I'd like to own one, but the Specialized Stumpjumper has been this bike since the 90's. Something is still missing...
Largely, quite similar. Same travel, very similar geometry. The 5010 is a mullet bike, so may feel a little tighter in corners. It also uses their VPP suspension platform, which has its nuances. Listen to what Logan says about coming from his Tallboy to this bike though, that'll give you some insight. - Dan P
am I missing something... but where are the holes near the bottom shock mount for the dirt/moisture to go away? I don't get how you can make that in 2023 not a Trek uber fan, but look at the new Fuel EX or even AL Patrol... I don't get why you remove those holes on carbon version If a get a coil, (currently have an RS Ult 2021 one). the rebound knob is near the bottom shock mount and it literally would bathe there I mean... maybe it does not provide lots of benefits for someone, but it does for me :) and that's a deal breaker
How does everyone feel about the internal rear brake line routing? Having the rear brake line externally routed was one of the things I loved about Transition frames.
Yeah same here the externally routed rear brake is my preference. But for the majority of people who don’t work on their own bikes the internally routed option is more appealing
Thank you so much for this video!! I currently love (and daily ride) my 2015 Smuggler, but have been looking for its replacement. Wanting to stay with the Transition brand, I have been tossing around the idea of the new Spur, but wanted a bit more... Was so excited to see this new Smuggler but was going to wait til next year, for a new color way. After seeing them here, I actually like the colors a lot!! Now it may be time to dust off the credit card!!
I think both the colors are quite nice, although that of course is entirely subjective. We've got the frame loaded up into our Bike Builder, if you're curious how it looks built up different ways. Cheers, Dan www.fanatikbike.com/bike-builder
"Most of us don't wear spandex, want to send it all or eat rock gardens for breakfast." Sitting here with an Epic Evo and an Insurgent park bike feeling personally attacked. Great vid, the trail pics make me miss the PNW! The new smuggler looks like an awesome do it all and the sentiment of the vid is right. I used to own an Evil Following with 140/120 and it had that magic fun factor on nearly every trail until you got to the REALLY gnarly stuff. I reached for it most rides.
The Following is an awesome bike. I had one also, bought it for a lighter option than my Sentinel, and same thing, ended up riding it the majority of the time. Cheers - Dan
Transition make great looking bikes but I hate when bike brands don't give the option to route the rear brake line on the driveside. Instantly makes the cables messy.
I wonder though, it looks like the cables come out a window just after the BB before entering the rear triangle. Is it possible to just cross the cables there?
@Vic only if you run an AXS seapost because you only have 1 port on the driveside. 2 each side with different grommets to give the required number of exits is how it's done best IMO.
The riding and people make the video. I just find it hard getting excited over a Horst link design. Rinsed and repeated over and over in the 21st century.
hey @fanatik any ideas what the max insertion is on a large? details seem to be missing from the site, also how does the dropper cable work? is it fully internal and just pops out on the seat tube or is it still a fishing game to get it out?
I like it. But man we have to talk about the prices. If you're a bike brand and your bike makes a Santa Cruz look cheap in comparison, you've done something seriously wrong.
@danp5812 pretty much all the greens and blues - it was great on crank it up, c'more, H of D, Ninja Cougar, karate monkey, etc. I was tempted to try a few blacks, but I decided not to push my luck.
I haven't extensively ridden a Stumpy, just demo bikes a handful of times. But based on that experience, I preferred the Smuggler. Felt more peppy pedaling and pumping, and would be more fun on less steep terrain. Felt equally as good on the descents. - Logan at Fanatik (video guy)
It is a very similar bike. It is less flexy (but also heavier) than a Stumpjumper, and I would say it errs slightly on the more aggressive side of things, where as the Stumpjumper is better suited for slightly mellower trails. If you weigh over 190lbs or push your bike really hard, this might be a better option just because it is less flexy. If not, I'd say pick either! - Dan P.
Dam it... I love the bike I ride (2022 Orbea Occam) which I got because it was so wonderfuly middle of the range and now Transition brings out this bike... I soooo want one!!!!
Are these heavier than say the Union? What might this be with BERD? Would you guys test bikes with polar wheelset extremes? Maybe a crap bike and phenomenal one. I'm wondering how big a difference a wheelset is to the spec. My mind says it might be a close second to the front fork.
This actually does too. They're just internal. It's also not an issue, because that axle has a plastic cylinder around it, so the cables would never actually touch it as it spins. - Dan P
Try building up your own Transition Smuggler, exactly how you want it, in our Custom Bike Builder:
www.fanatikbike.com/bike-builder
What rear hub does the bike that appears in the video have on?
Would be nice if you guys actually answered some of the questions.
@@matiagachaelomocom Hey Mati, sorry, missed your question. It is a fairly generic Race Face hub, the Trace hub. 36 points of engagement, steel axle. Just a sturdy, inexpensive hub.
- Dan at Fanatik
@@ZRMTB Sorry about that, are there any in particular that you're curious about?
- Dan P
@@FanatikBikeCo Hey Dan. Thanks for replying haha. Any idea if Transition would be making changes to internal rear brake cable routing on future bikes?
Thanks again!
Rumor has it Logan stayed up late on his birthday just to bring you this incredible video
It was my bday yesterday
Phenomenal video! The mix of riding and interviewing - 👌. Please, use this video guy more as the tester in your future productions - he's extremely fun to watch, very skilled and seems to truly enjoy himself on this kind of a bike - he uses it like a musecal virtuoso uses his musical instrument. Very inspiring!
@Logan Patrick Nelson really well done Logan!
Inspiring, playful, inventive, and enjoy seeing sequences of multiple attempts to make an idea come to life!
A really refreshing mountain bike video, that video guy is a real treat! He should be in Pink Bike Academy.
Came for the Smuggler, stayed for video guy!!
Logan rips! Get him in front of the camera. He rides like a champ, fun to watch!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Also, love the failed attempts in the edit. Such a down to earth vibe that is motivating
Great bike. On my radar. Good luck selling a $3700 frame only in 2023 and on.
This was such a cool video about such a sweet new bike!!!
Awesome work Fanatik Crew and Transition
This is just a great video from start to finish. The riding, the filming, the inside knowledge from the Transition guys, that amazing Smuggler...
Loved it... And it just made me wanna go ride my bike!
Saw the clip on JKW channel, glad you’re okay. Excited to pick up a smuggler to go with my sentinel!
@danp5812 Reviving this comment... I currently have a Spur. What bike would you suggest to best compliment that for the PNW? Sentinel or Spire?
Great video! Even if the puddle drain was selfish 😂
BK in the bushes and mud in the ear…taking one for the team!
Video guy can flat out rip a bike. What a great update to the lineup!
Content has leveled up recently! Nice work gang
Thanks Jeremy! We've been doing our best!
Cheers,
Dan, Logan, and the rest of the team at Fanatik
"A mountain bike for mountain biking" heck yes this is what the people want
Haha you caught that? 🤣
Finally, right?!?
😁 Cheers! - Dan at Fanatik
The first edition of the smuggler got me so stoked on riding again. I still ride one today, glad they are keeping a good thing going.
Love the bronze color!
Lols just saw you crashed on the side of the trail in the Jeff Kendleweed vid yesterday. Glad you’re ok.
Better than transitions launch video
The bike is fine, but Logan and Dan are the real stars
ended up going with a Vitus as my next rig but Transition was Def on top of my list also. Hands down, has some of the nicest looking bikes out there.
Saw Jeff's vid where he found you guys on the trail. Good to see your ok!
Did I miss the travel numbers or is that not officially released yet?
This thing looks awesome and the video was great. Cant wait to see some comparisons against the ripley, trail 429 or tallboy
None of those bikes are in this bikes category.
Nothing against Transition as one day I'd like to own one, but the Specialized Stumpjumper has been this bike since the 90's. Something is still missing...
Own a spur already great bike this one looks proper good but stuff £3700 for the frame only. Transition obviously ignoring the current market issues
Hey, Sweet Tofitian hat on Darrin!
Get well soon ,greetings from germany 🤙Logan well done 👍
Love video guy, and I'd send him dozens of cookies for free!
If they sell an alloy frameset I’ll be picking one up. Otherwise I can’t justify 4k on the NX build. I’ll be sticking to my GT Force… for now.
How would you guys compare this to, say, a SC 5010?
Largely, quite similar. Same travel, very similar geometry. The 5010 is a mullet bike, so may feel a little tighter in corners. It also uses their VPP suspension platform, which has its nuances. Listen to what Logan says about coming from his Tallboy to this bike though, that'll give you some insight.
- Dan P
I like seeing Logan on this side of the camera. 👍
Quadzilla over here hanging out in his undies ! Haha . Thanks for Review
am I missing something... but where are the holes near the bottom shock mount for the dirt/moisture to go away?
I don't get how you can make that in 2023
not a Trek uber fan, but look at the new Fuel EX or even AL Patrol... I don't get why you remove those holes on carbon version
If a get a coil, (currently have an RS Ult 2021 one). the rebound knob is near the bottom shock mount and it literally would bathe there
I mean... maybe it does not provide lots of benefits for someone, but it does for me :) and that's a deal breaker
How does everyone feel about the internal rear brake line routing?
Having the rear brake line externally routed was one of the things I loved about Transition frames.
I prefer external routing. Swapping brakes doesn't happen often but the choice to do it would be a lot easier with external routing.
Yeah same here the externally routed rear brake is my preference. But for the majority of people who don’t work on their own bikes the internally routed option is more appealing
Perfect!
External
Not internal cable routing!!! They need to take a page from konas book, internal cables suck
Dan - you ok?
Saw you on Jeff-Kendal Weed’s vids, your leg was injured pretty badly!
Logan is a rad dude!!
Thank you so much for this video!! I currently love (and daily ride) my 2015 Smuggler, but have been looking for its replacement. Wanting to stay with the Transition brand, I have been tossing around the idea of the new Spur, but wanted a bit more... Was so excited to see this new Smuggler but was going to wait til next year, for a new color way. After seeing them here, I actually like the colors a lot!! Now it may be time to dust off the credit card!!
I think both the colors are quite nice, although that of course is entirely subjective. We've got the frame loaded up into our Bike Builder, if you're curious how it looks built up different ways.
Cheers, Dan
www.fanatikbike.com/bike-builder
I love video guy
can't believe that's his natural hair color
Logan looks like a Jesse Melamed x Jackson Goldstone hybrid lol
Really good review
Damn, "video guy", why so shreddy?
Who's that serious guy playing Darrin's role?
"Most of us don't wear spandex, want to send it all or eat rock gardens for breakfast." Sitting here with an Epic Evo and an Insurgent park bike feeling personally attacked. Great vid, the trail pics make me miss the PNW! The new smuggler looks like an awesome do it all and the sentiment of the vid is right. I used to own an Evil Following with 140/120 and it had that magic fun factor on nearly every trail until you got to the REALLY gnarly stuff. I reached for it most rides.
The Following is an awesome bike. I had one also, bought it for a lighter option than my Sentinel, and same thing, ended up riding it the majority of the time.
Cheers - Dan
Nice brand placement Sam 💙
Wait... is this JKW Logan? Great vid, what a cool bike!
@Logan Patrick Nelson Hahaha sick!! And nice riding!
Transition make great looking bikes but I hate when bike brands don't give the option to route the rear brake line on the driveside. Instantly makes the cables messy.
I wonder though, it looks like the cables come out a window just after the BB before entering the rear triangle. Is it possible to just cross the cables there?
@Vic only if you run an AXS seapost because you only have 1 port on the driveside.
2 each side with different grommets to give the required number of exits is how it's done best IMO.
We need more video guy content!
No Logan the bike isn't floating... you're just an awesome rider😂
Your new rider is awesome
Logan is a freakin sender!
This video made me swaller a hotdog whole!
@loganatfanatik yes
The bottle rocket was the bike that killed it and put them on the map
Yep. That bike was rad. Terrible, but rad.
- Dan P
Que bike linda! Um sonho de consumo... abraço do Brasil
The riding and people make the video. I just find it hard getting excited over a Horst link design. Rinsed and repeated over and over in the 21st century.
hey @fanatik any ideas what the max insertion is on a large? details seem to be missing from the site, also how does the dropper cable work? is it fully internal and just pops out on the seat tube or is it still a fishing game to get it out?
I knew I recognized you from Jeff Kendall Weed channel
I like it. But man we have to talk about the prices. If you're a bike brand and your bike makes a Santa Cruz look cheap in comparison, you've done something seriously wrong.
Ran here as soon as I saw JKW's video. Lol!
I just looked at the geometry and this can't be true 72 degrees STA for a 65 degree HTA?
A bike to actual be ridden
I rode my Spur at Whistler this summer and it was actually really fun :)
@danp5812 pretty much all the greens and blues - it was great on crank it up, c'more, H of D, Ninja Cougar, karate monkey, etc. I was tempted to try a few blacks, but I decided not to push my luck.
Any thoughts on how this compares to the Stumpjumper 130/140? I ride in the Midwest and do not have the ability to demo a Smuggler.
I haven't extensively ridden a Stumpy, just demo bikes a handful of times. But based on that experience, I preferred the Smuggler. Felt more peppy pedaling and pumping, and would be more fun on less steep terrain. Felt equally as good on the descents. - Logan at Fanatik (video guy)
It is a very similar bike. It is less flexy (but also heavier) than a Stumpjumper, and I would say it errs slightly on the more aggressive side of things, where as the Stumpjumper is better suited for slightly mellower trails. If you weigh over 190lbs or push your bike really hard, this might be a better option just because it is less flexy. If not, I'd say pick either!
- Dan P.
That "plum" smuggler is hot!!!
Unreal video boys 👊
awesome, love TR and the crew!
Where the bottom of the shock mounts won't that hold dirt and wear out that area over time?
Dam it... I love the bike I ride (2022 Orbea Occam) which I got because it was so wonderfuly middle of the range and now Transition brings out this bike... I soooo want one!!!!
Are these heavier than say the Union? What might this be with BERD?
Would you guys test bikes with polar wheelset extremes? Maybe a crap bike and phenomenal one. I'm wondering how big a difference a wheelset is to the spec.
My mind says it might be a close second to the front fork.
This bike should always have some purple-ish colorway to facilitate plum smuggler jokes.
i guess the non expert riding the bike also made the video stand out...when you get someone completely new to a pro field it can lead to new insights
Bring that ,,video guy,, infront of you cameras he's rippin💪🦖🦖
That bruise is insane.
YES!! (thats it)
love that color scheme
all the flat pedal dorks screaming about the attempt to climb the slippery slab. clipless for life.
The old Smuggler GX was the most fun bike I've ever ridden. I hope this one lives up to that.
Ooh! That hardtail on the back wall of the design room looks niiiiiiice!
Would be great if you can buy just the frame and build your own bike
You can build one to your liking via our bike builder! Currently have a M, L, & XL in stock. www.fanatikbike.com/products/bike-builder
Great video
Was pretty set on getting a norco optic but now idk this thing looks sick
How tall are you guys and what size were you riding?
I'm 5ft 7 and it was a medium, fit perfect. - Logan at Fanatik
Little late to the comments..but what size would you suggest for 5,9 with a 6 ' wingspan..I'm thinking large ..I'm on a 475 reach bike now ..
HOLY F***!!! That's a $4000.00 frame only ouch!!! With components thats a $10k-$16k bike
Yeah a mountain bike for the mountain biker.... we are known to have tons of cash to throw at bikes...
A really well edited video. And videographer can rip!
Great video guys, awesome crew and cool new bike
Too bad transition bikes are $$$$ for $$ spec.
Que bike linda! Possuir uma dessas , só em sonho.... Um abraço do Brasil
Around 9:20, the orange helmet he’s wearing… what is it?
www.fanatikbike.com/products/smith-forefront-2-mips-helmet?variant=39689058091054
Smith Forefront 2
So good cable routing now. The Spur has cables running right on top of the crank axel which was ridiculous.
This actually does too. They're just internal. It's also not an issue, because that axle has a plastic cylinder around it, so the cables would never actually touch it as it spins.
- Dan P
sounds absolutely awsome
now the price
Any answers to how you can replace cables and housing without needing to remove the bottom bracket??
Cause it’s fully guided internally. The tubes ideally if they designed it well should pul your casing where it needs yo be
Prices are insane though.
i dont know what to do with my hands......
Lol I watched that video before this and I was like waaaiiitt haha
@loganatfanatik I shot myself then I woke up
stumpjumper or smuggler?
So why (why why why) Transition doesn't design and make frames equipped with Pinion gearbox and belt drive ?
Not yet , but i intend to buy a Zerode this sumer
I want one so bad
I wonder how the smuggler would ride if you did bump it up to a 140/150 or 160
That's the Sentinel!!
What travel range bike do you think is best?
- Dan P
kinda like the sc tallboy