N Was Right, Pokemon Black and White | Head Full Thoughts Only
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Team Plasma was an organization devoted to bettering the lives of Pokemon by freeing them from human control. They encouraged others to reevaluate the relationship between humans and Pokemon in order to make people more aware of how the imbalance in power is cruel to the Pokemon. This was the enemy team of the games Pokemon Black and White. Although it’s interesting to see this fictional world address the cruel nature of their battle system, we can’t ignore the fact that Team Plasma seems pretty hypocritical. They also use Pokemon in the same way that they preach against. This was a common point of critique of this story at the time, but the truth is I don’t believe this is hypocritical at all. Not anymore at least. And what helped me come to this conclusion is a combination of real-world experience and revisiting the character development of one of the best characters to come from this generation, N. Hear me out as I explain why I say N Was Right. This is Head Full Thoughts Only.
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If I'm not mistaken, N also only catches Pokémon temporaly, and then releases them as soon as he can.
I remember there being in-game events where you receive or meet N's former Pokémon, like the Zorua in Black 2.
So he truly follows his ideology.
You're right about that. They even included a scene of him doing it in Black & White 2
And then we go and catch them all in BW2 👁👄👁💧 N must have been able to see the potential of them and asked for ther help perhaps?
They have perfect IVs and sparkle like a shiny pokemon but with green and emerald shaped sparkles.
It wouldve been a nicer touch if N didnt capture them at all and you just see them come on screen from the side or from above. Like in other games with follow mechanics, the pokemon just emerges on the field because its not in the ball.
He only uses pokemon obtainable in the area you face him in during bw1
@@rocketeer9183 well maybe it's just inefficient, maybe he didn't capture them, maybe they just know it's better to battle to be hidden in a pokeball until you're supposed to fight..
Honestly, N is my favorite pokemon character of all time. My first ever pokemon game was b&w and i really like team plasma too. In my opinion, that game is way darker than the other games, which i really like. He and the team bring up the issue i've always been thinking about especially in pokemon games. I really enjoyed your video it was so great ty!
Mad respect 😊
He was an amazing character and probably the most interesting one in the entire games. (The only one even close is Silver, and his backstory is only fleshed out in REALLY late parts of the games.) N had a goal, was driven by a principled ideology but also his personal feelings based on real world experience befriending pokemon. And then Nintendo throws him under the bus by saying “DUH YOU WERE WRONG ALL ALONG. PLASMA BAD, MEH!” And never brought back again and the main character wins having learned nothing and done nothing.
Nintendo is lazier than a meth addict asking you to pass the bong who won’t leave your apartment.
same he’s honestly my favourite character too 🦦
I would like to see n vs Leon
i literally agree n love everything u just said
I haven't fully finished the video yet but I'd also like to point out that in the Pokemon Adventures (Pokespec) manga, neither N or team plasma actually use pokeballs with their pokemon. N is often shown using uncaught pokemon to battle; they just stay by his side. I think it's a great fix and expansion on what the game showed us, and that N's goal is achievable without forcefully catching a pokemon. The pokemon anime also frequently displays the use of pokemon without catching. So I thought I'd just note that.
This video is about the video game universe which is strictly different. For all purposes, Team Plasma aside from N supporters do use Pokeballs.
I wish they could of done that with N in the game, even in 2d they could of pulled it off. Like when evil teams in Pokémon ranger games called Pokémon to battle they would just appear. You could keep the other members of plasma using pokeballs due to them either being persuaded to the cause by N or corrupted by Ghetsis.
Great analysis. Plus there is the fact that if you pay attention N uses Pokémon in his environment. His team is never the same, he doesn't have one of his own. He does his best to stick to his ideology.
I had a crush on Hilda and N growing up, like, when I was nine or so. I still love N. It's weird to see Hilda portrayed in a lot of ways because she's 14. I'm 14. Weird.
Anyways, gen five is one of my favorites if not my favorite :)
honestly same
I was in my 20s when this came out and my lover and I very much shipped N and Hilda together
@@wolfwoodphreak I was 7 when the games came out and I played them then. Same though, I shipped N and Hilda, but I also technically had (still have) a crush on N as well.
@ItzDash3883 I'm a hetero male but I don't blame you for that. N is a very charming and likeable character, hard not to like the guy
@@wolfwoodphreak not to necro a year old comment but you just very openly and seemingly proudly admitted to shipping a *child* with an adult, as an adult :/
I think you forgot to mention the fact that N did find a way to use the only means society provided him to spread his message while not fully going against his ideology: He temporarily catches Pokemon, then after they have fulfilled their purpose, helping him with whatever battle he needs them in, he releases them. And we also know that N can ``talk`` with Pokemon, so maybe he could convince them to temporarily join him without battling them.
The reason N formed his ideology is that as a child, he was given a very *specific* perspective of the world by his excuse of a father. He was always surrounded by only abused, hurt Pokemon, Ghetsis only brought these kinds of Pokemon in front of him, making him see them as the victims, he was isolated from humans, which means he never got to see the other side. The only things he could see & hear were the wounds, cries, conditions of the abused, abandoned, hurt Pokemon.
Our Pokemon were the 1st time he ever heard a Pokemon happy in bashing it`s head into other Pokemon or something like that, and his journey only strengthened this doubt that formed in his mind. The games` story provides ample evidence to show that N wasn`t entirely right, but not fully wrong either. We do see people (Mostly Team Plasma, ironically) abuse & hurt Pokemon, but a majority of the Pokemon are happy with the life of a fighter under a human trainer, nd N is starting to see that more and more as he progresses in his path. Something that is new to him: Pokemon that are not abused, not sad, who are happily attacking each other like a boxing match with the Trainers acting like coaches.
Actually, what proves N`s ideology kinda wrong is a game mechanic that has been in Pokemon since Gen 2: Friendship.
It increases through many methods, but the ones I`ll focus on here are leveling up, Gen 5 onwards it was changed to leveling up IN BATTLE (coincidence? I THINK NOT!), battling against Gym Leaders, E4, Champion and learning TMs & HMs. This shows that generally, Pokemon DO like fighting. It`s like a sport to them, like those fighting sports like Boxing, martial arts etc. Pokemon are the fighters & Trainers are their coaches, except the coaches get to give the commands & take decisions.
Also for the people saying that Team Plasma members are supposed to be hypocrites, that`s because many of them are SUPPOSED to be!
well yeah that's what people have said....a lot of Team Plasma are meant to be hypocrites.
Well you got gats, you rite thattt comment,I didn't even get to read it, like my life gonna end 😄
I like to think the reason the white legendary was on the cover of the Black version and the black legendary on the cover of the White version was to show how morally gray the games are. And why was it so gray? Because of N, constantly reminding the player about how maybe the pokemon don't really want to fight, and they may hate us for using them like tools.
N was the character that made me think about the feelings of the pokemon in my team who were there just for HMs and to give me a turn to switch into another pokemon to take damage. He also made me wonder about the pokemon I put in the PC forever. When the feelings of pokemon are mentioned to go both ways with a trainer, it’s hard to ignore the things we all do to some pokemon we catch that would be considered inhumane.
At one point I also thought what the pokemon put into the PC to stay there Forever feel like, but after gen 7 introduced pokepelago my worries were soothed since I could just make a headcanon that all regions have their equivalent of poke pelago where all pokémon in your PC just chill, hang out and do whatever they want at their paradise
As for HM helpers (I hate to call em slaves) I rarely had em, only had one when I needed to use an HM but none of my team members learnt it. Once I could teach a member that move, that helper goes into the PC.
I recorded this back in July of 2021 and I'm not sure why I made the decision to add so much bass to my voice back then, but by the time I got to start editing the visuals I figured what's done is done :D
Lmao, hay, it doesn't sound bad by any stretch! Just don't make it a habbit or we'll have to call you out on stream ;)
Hope you had a good, and safe festive holiday! Happy new year too! Loving the take on Black and White as I'm currently listening.
maybe that's why I like N so much. I know what it's like to feel I have no choice but the change the world around me using its own rules and resources but hating it and the system at the same time
the same criticism you pointed out is the one that made me stop talking to people almost entirely about anything that matters in the world because that's their defense that allows them to not attack the problem only the voice of dissent
I love N with Reshiram because he truly believed what he was doing was right.
Yes agreed.
Was searching for some videos about N, just found this. Got a subscriber today. Got back into Pokemon last year for the first time since Silver came out. Black and White is the game that stood out the most to me now that I've played them all. The story, largely because of N is why that is. This was a really cool video.
Same! :D
N’s ideals may have been wrong, but his approach was right. N grew up in his own bubble, very close to Pokémon and raised by a bad adoptive father. He only saw black and white that Pokemon and people were better separated.
However, instead of staying inside his bubble and constantly force his ideals down people’s throats, N decides to journey and do Pokemon battles himself. He wants to experience the world so he can better understand why society is the way it is. He wants to challenge his beliefs by seeing other perspectives, and he reasons whether it is right or wrong. In doing so, he’s able to grow as a person with a new perspective after losing to the main character of course.
That’s the problem with our society. We all are caught up in our own bubbles, afraid to step outside to the real world, quick to dismiss other perspectives as wrong. If we just open ourselves and try to understand different point of views, we will see why people think and act differently.
So yes, in that way N was right, and we should strive to be more like him.
That’s a unique perspective on the matter, the consensus I heard about was people saying that he had the right ideas but the wrong approach
From the viewpoint you provided, it would be great for us to be more open minded in that sense, maybe the reason why that’s easier said than done for some people is because it’s easier to go for the convenient option by shutting out other perspectives right away rather than taking the time to understand those different perspectives to understand others better and to develop their own opinions more
It could also be that there are so many different perspectives on many topics that some people may feel overwhelmed by the sheer abundance of it and decide to push all of it away
If more people were open minded in the way that N was then I think that they would have more positive outlooks on the world which could lead to them or others they influence changing it for the better, what matters is that it starts from the individual themselves before advancing to society as a whole
The fact N was a character in this game is what made Black and White my favorite Pokémon game of all time. I love his character and I was totally with him. I wanted to befriend him so badly in the game.
Yes, me too.
About your point on there being no known alternative to this system presented in game, there may in fact be one. While I’m not sure how cannon this is, the Ranger games present us a system in which Pokemon battles seem to be little to nonexistent, and the only legal semi exploitative interaction between people and Pokemon are through trained professionals using Pokemon periodically to help defend the environment and world at large, rarely ever hanging on to one Pokemon for that long, much like N dose in the games. Despite it’s questionable standing in the cannon, it could nevertheless be one inspiration to Team Plasma’s ideology both in universe and from a game design standpoint.
Don't forget Pokemon Contest!!!!! From what we've seen, contest stars have a pretty big influence on the people of Pokemon.
Isn't the pokemontcg island also official? Obviously it being a part of the canon is dubious but it is another institution nonetheless
Just by watching your video, you made me want to play all the pokemon games, from the beginning.
Perfect score here, Nimbus.
you know i have been singing praise for N for.... god since the games came out and I beat it. I never viewed N as a bad guy, he was always just someone there to help you better yourself while trying to become the man he needed to be... to make the changes that needed to be done. I have never felt bad about battling Pokémon until black and white. But, when I played ORAS and my sweet Mightyena boy just took hit after hit from a Primal Kyorge while I was out of healing and everyone was in the red I felt terrible cause N made me view my team not as Pokémon, or animals, but as partners. I will love my angry hyena boy until the day I die, cause He loved me more than all my other Pokémon combined. all the max hearts and Mighty still had more. I barely remember X and Y, cause I was still learning and adapting to N message. I tried to enjoy gen 6 but it just felt different, not bad, but it wasn't B&W, It didn't have N.
it wasn't until ORAS that I fully came to terms with N's message, and found a weird mild ground with playing the games, I can't enjoy them as much as I used to, but in some ways I enjoy them more, teaching a butterfree how to solo wipe an entire e4 member all on their own, made me feel like I did something right, I help them grow so the least amount of suffering was inflicted on my partners. And now I love that little purple big eyed bug, every member on my team after B&W slowly rose up my favorites lists, cause they gave their all for me, and I did my best to do the same for them.
N almost ruined Pokémon for me, cause he challenged me to view my team as more than just creatures that were here to battle for me and nothing else.... they are animals, and I love animals! they are family! and I love my family! so I should love them too.
And I do.
All I can say is thanks N. (and the lovely men, women, and that rainbow in-between, that made him)
I agree to what you say about N
I always love to see videos like this on the gen 5 games, as they are also my favorites and the ones I started playing pokemon on
But also want to point out that calling team plasma(not N the team plasma) hypocrites, is true, excluding the ones that actually believe in his message, ghetsis and a large part of team plasma are just using his message as a way to take pokemon from people so they are the only ones with pokemon and can rule over everyone, ghetsis directly opposes N's message even, outright saying pokemon are just tools to be used
Either way
This conversations this games produce is one of the reasons they are my favorites
N was right. Team Plasma was right. Ghetsis was right. They were all right. You’re literally taking a superpowered, sentient animal and using it to knock another animal into having a concussion. Pokemon is run on slavery and exploitation and the only game that even dared bring it up was the one that took it back. Pokemon games have never had a good story because the grifters making the games are apathetic to art and thematic storytelling…I can’t wait for this franchise to die as much potential as it wasted.
@@dylanbuchanan6511 you’re looking at it within the context of the real world. When you should look at the context of the game. Team plasma is actively abusive towards Pokémon, and very intolerant. Ghetsis only furthers the Pokémon liberation concept because he wants to become a dictator. When N interviews your Pokémon after skyla he realizes that they enjoy battling with you. Throughout the buildup to the final conflict it is stated by his sisters that he is questioning his views. If you look at it on paper then it sounds great, but you need to analyze the story and not the real world consequences of cockfighting on steroids
@@dylanbuchanan6511 Not really, a lot of Team Plasma was hypocrites...just like PETA. It didn't take it back. They have, BW1 and the gen 7 games are some examples of that, so they aren't apathetic to art and thematic storytelling. Are you kidding??? One of the most successful franchises in the world? Yeah it's not gonna die.
@@jaydenc367 every franchise dies eventually. None of the Pokemon games have any real themes or harsh moral choices. There’s no real story or character. Pokemon games are as stagnant as COD.
@@dylanbuchanan6511 Wanna prove that? DC and Marvel is still alive, the Sherlock Holmes franchise is somehow still alive, etc. All of them had themes in some way, Science ad modern technology in gen 21 traditions and the passage of time in gen 2, climate change and weather in gen 3, the origin of the universe and space and time in gen 4, truth and ideals in gen 5, life and death and war and beauty in gen 6, and family and traditions in gen 7. There are real stories and characters. Maybe for a time...but they weren't before and they arguably are less stagnant now.
The thing with releasing animals to the wild that lived with humans for so long most likely is also stopid by team Plasma.
The thing is pokemon arent in this context "animals". They are as sentient as any human and theyd be living out their lives regularly if released.
@@rocketeer9183You do know by acknowledging they’re sapiant means your support of N too “free” them is stupid right? Since they can leave whenever they feel like it.
I've been replaying the Unova games lately for the first time in nearly a decade, and finding all these video essays revisiting them too has been such a joy to see! 😆 I really liked hearing your explanations of N's methods, laid out in that especially dire way. I've always been first to point out how much he struggles with his mantle of Pokémon trainer despite what he wishes to achieve, how angry and frustrated he gets, but you worded it so well, how he's only using the tools the system provides him, and even being a 'king' doesn't grant him many favors. He's still on this Pokémon journey as himself. I also like that you reminded everyone that there are varied mindsets throughout Team Plasma as well, those who wish to do evil, but also those who actually wish for Pokémon liberation and others still who support only N. Many seem to gloss over that, and it does a disservice to any 'they're hypocrites' arguments.
Anyways, this was a really great video! Your head was full of very powerful thoughts! 😊
Eh...to be honest, saying they are hypocrites isn't wrong, as in those who were truly hypocritical and joined Ghetsis later on in BW2 are hypocrites.
V was my favorite, and in my opinion, was the pinnacle of Pokemon.
It was really the last time I was truly enthusiastic about the series.
6 I beat, but wasn't crazt about, and I never bothered beating 7 or 8.
Counter argument, N was wrong because pokemon themselves want to battle, and because Pokemon ARE NOT animals, as it is shown, but that only goes for most of the people, the nature of pokemon is battleling, can they chose another path? yes they can, if pokemon does not want to be with a trainer, the pokemon himself leaves the trainer, Can the trainer be careless about it? yes he can, Can the player care about pokemon in the games? Yes he can, Thats why we have 3 main characters,( not talking about cheren and bianca) Getsis, representing the corrupction of the bond or lack there off, The player representing the truth of the bond, N the innocence of the bond, N is only acting for the experience he has had through his life with pokemon, Humanity needs pokemon, as much pokemon need to be with humans to get the most out of eachother, had the player not been there getsis plan would have worked, to no ones benefit.
Everything you just said was true.
this is why i love reading devil's advocate statements, and yours is a perfect example of this.
Imagine a pokemon game that didn't back out on the battle of ideals Gen 5 started. a person (like N) who fights with pokemon that aren't kept in pokeballs that they bonded with naturally only to fight for their dream. Maybe they'd be a 3rd force in the story you have to deal with alongside the villain group. Though I'm not sure how I'd resolve that idea in a satisfying way.
Might be a bit silly, but it’s always bothered me how people bring up competitive Pokémon as evidence that people abuse Pokémon. That is not how the majority of players play. Or how people say they hate evs. You’ve never needed to use evs in a game. Or their equivalent in gen 1 and 2. You’ve never once needed to worry about evs or natures or any aspects of the competitive Pokémon, so I don’t see why these need to be argued over. You can use them in casual games, or never even look at them. They’re not going to be the deciding factor for a new Pokémon fan enjoying a game, or deciding whether they want to even play Pokémon
It’s typically of hypocritical activists to self project how they’re onto people that don’t do it.
@@Taz-ey4jlyeesh seriously dude wtf, Why are you everywhere? the hell man, not everyone needed to hear it shit. And no I'm not like competitive players, For fucks sake. Yeah I'd use the argument, you know what else is an argument though? Catching pokemon and leaving them in the PC, breeding pokemon for shinies, hunting for shinies, the list goes on and on. Everyone does at least one thing harmful to pokemon, if they feint in battle they lose friendship value, so leveling up may be something they like but certainly not to the point of passing out they fucking don't. Game mechanics are nowhere near realistic either. There's no way walking with pokemon jamed in a backpack would make them like you, pokemon amie/camp/and picnic are all great examples of things that would actually make pokemon friendlier. Not to mention gifting them their favorite berries or something.
I don't think N Catches pokemon, he just recruit them for one fight in areas close to where they live, he probably offers them compensation in the form of food and healing for the energy they expanded.. and the pokeballs are probably just there for quicker switch in and for not giving away which pokemon are in the party to the opponent..
Precisely
That is why I like Pokémon black & White, this game has a lot of Lore and part uses what are resources of how a society functions, being a somewhat complex issue for some people used in a videogame N has always been a character that has caught my attention since I was little when I played Black & White for the first time, at first sometimes I did not understand some things that N said, But now I understood several concepts that in real life exist, great video my friend, it has been an interesting video
As someone who's started watching the anime in Unova and first games were black and white, I will always find a way to make this game one if the best Pokemon games
They are
N is the best character
Yep
The strong points about black and white's story is that N's message is relevant to US who have a different sense of values from the pokemon world.
Where the problem lies in the story telling with N's message is that his ideal was never reinforced, we see him talk about the feelings of pokemon and their freedom but we only see him battle the player(as I remember) which makes his argument make less sense in-story.
I'm not saying his arguments fall apart, it's just that his arguments hits us but not the common populace. Sure there are genuine believers in team plasma but their also the ones who shows us why N is right, but it's less believable because he's associated with the people who are enforcing his ideas in a bad way.
Like I said his message does not fall apart because he does get the legendary pokemon, but when we as the player learn that N is associated with ghetsis the message just doesn't hit as hard.
well N message kinda does fall apart for me because of how the world is show to us but also N whole thing is kinda a lie since ghetsis set it all up
@@TannerThePuppyGamer That's the point of the story though, since we watch as ghetsis' lie slowly come to light, but on the other hand we see N whole heartedly believing in his actions where a LEGENDARY pokemon chooses HIM. That alone shows N's sincerity and belief.
@@tristansuarez7567 yea kinda misread your comment there
@@TannerThePuppyGamer My comment literally says his argument does not fall apart multiple times, the problem is that the story does not work in universe, but the story is supposed to hit US the players, My argument is that N's message isn't hitting as hard as it could because of in universe reasons. Not once have I said the message doesn't work.
@@tristansuarez7567 yay im bad at reading sometimes
Are you going to make another video like this one
can u perhaps explain n's room and how it changes between black and white 1 and 2?? maybe a theory or something because i cant find anything about it anywhere
Honestly the point of N being wrong I think is good. He espouses the propaganda that has been fed to him by Ghetsis who we all know isn’t truly interested in “liberating” Pokemon and is just a front for his fascist ideology. N’s worldview has been carefully curated for him by a man who wanted to lead him to the idea that the relationship between humans and Pokemon is inherently exploitative. But by the end of the game the reason the player wins and he doesn’t is that his convictions are less grounded in reality and has allowed doubt to creep in. He learns this on his journey when he sees for himself time and time again that Pokemon are happy WITH humans.
Yeah, but for sure Pokémon are happier without pokeballs, and battling has to hurt, at least somewhat. Based purely on the games, most trainers really are the scum of the earth only wanting to have strong Pokémon to be the very best. And the whole point of Pokémon is to collect all 8 badges and all Pokémon. Who actually, realistically, uses every PC boxed Pokémon from time to time? So to a degree he is in the right, now Ghetsis on the other hand isn't. This is about motive and actual behavior. Many plasma punks would abuse Pokémon in front of the players eyes, and ghetsis is the worst offender of being a total jackass. N, however, is kind to his Pokémon. He releases them after battle because he doesn't want to keep them confined or take them from their homes and families. Surely he'd still visit them from time to time, he was literally raised by Pokémon (ghettos didn't do shit seriously). There's no way you can say that abuse doesn't exist as common as it does in pokemon, just watch the anime, any living dex video, competitive breeder, or take cheren from the games as example. Cheren is likely harsh on his team, in both games, constantly complaining for not being strong, disliking his gym leader team. As the games try to point out, there is no black and white here. No obvious perfect solution. It's unfortunate, but true, that humans are in general quite cruel and dangerous even irl. If anything Pokémon were better off in Legends Arceus where there were very few people that even where capable of Pokémon partnership. They pokeballs were recent, so the trainers in that game had Pokémon that they were raised alongside, they fought as a team in dangerous situations. Most didn't have pokeballs, those were designed to revolutionize Pokémon training and make mega profit. The only reason pokeballs were used by n at all is because it was forced, no one will fight on their own "let the pokemon handle the dispute. Wait no Pokémon? Well too bad, you points are invalid." Or if you do " Wait, you don't want people to keep pokemon? And you have Pokémon, that's hipocracy, I won't listen." The whole situation is there to make N look bad, when in reality he's not. I b2w2 he still think Pokémon should not be kept in pokeballs, does this still count as him being "wrong"? Is putting pokemon in the daycare to breed obnoxious amounts of times even ethical, shouldn't that be cruelty? And starter Pokémon are literally capture to the point of near extinction in the wild. Pokémon like zoroark and the swords of justice hide away from society, as most were heavily mistreated by humans. Is it really fair to discount this for the small number that aren't treated this way? For obvious reasons the company and community commonly agrees that "N's wrong and his ideology is completely pointless, baseless, and overall unreasonable because PoKeMoN LiKe BaTtLiNg." But honestly, if this were real life, it'd be about equal to rooster and dog fights, breeding for the most competitive traits, or the most human idealized traits, and hunting them for sport. most wild animals will want to live free, even if breed in captivity. Only long domestic creatures don't mind, and to be fair look what humans have done to them. It's not like a wild animal can't work alongside humans, but humans only know how to take, especially if it give them something to profit off of. Likely you don't care about this, I am a Furry after all and so that'd make my points look retarded, but I'm against all form of animal and Pokémon cruelty, real life or fictional. Propaganda? I know nothing of the sense as I am politically adverse, so I'd no nothing about if it's propaganda or not. simply put, there is truth to it and N has seen proof of such, any doubts come from the smaller percentage. The player character is characterized as one of the better trainers and N clearly trusts and maybe even considers them a friend, doubts about that friend ship perhaps? And lastly the player character one, whether that be as your opinion states (their ideals were stronger), or it be that the trainer agrees with N to some degree as I'd be more likely to assume. After all, zekrom/Reshiram doesn't awaken until you're right in front of N, you realize you're ideals the strongest then. It would be poetic if both trainers were the ones to awaken zekrom/reshiram, as both their presences are required for both technically speaking. They have the same truth and same Ideals, Ghetsis and others wouldn't work because their ideals were hollow.
Yes I'm an N simp, Yes Its 2 am and I'm exhausted. Yes I know fighting random strangers over nothing is pointless, I am just irrationally irritated by such a statement. I understand opinions and mean no disrespect. This is one of my favorite Pokémon topics and I love opinion dumping about it. If you read any of that massive Wall of text, sorry I got carried away....
I remember i felt the same way when i played black/white. I felt this way even back in the first pokemon games, i only caught a few pokemon and took them to the elite four even if they were bad. But in the end that just means fewer acts of evil rather than good.
Mostly replay the sequels but recently started streaming White 1 and damn I missed this game
Great points tho
I'm really not a fan of the "yet you participate in society" comic. It entirely strawmans and exaggerates the original criticism it was made in response to, which was NOT about "you must reject ALL things produced by capitalism if you criticize it," but about how if you don't at least try to avoid the worst excesses of the thing you are criticizing, it will make your position look weaker. (For a common example I think is fairly reasonable, do our world leaders REALLY need to travel internationally on private jets to attend conferences on climate change, when all the information could be exchanged through a video conference that would use considerably less fossil fuel?) Yes, this does not, in and of itself, mean that what you argue for is wrong, but it can hamper the effectiveness of your cause, and in the worst cases, can give you more issues to clean up down the line if your cause actually starts to gain traction and become able to start making meaningful change.
The point of the criticism the comic originally responded to, was simply "you should follow your principles when you are able to do so."
The irony here, and a point I was waiting to be brought up by the video, but which never came, was that N is actually a VERY GOOD EXAMPLE of a character who must go along with things he doesn't agree with, while going well out of his way to avoid the worst excesses of what he criticizes. What do I mean by that?
When you played through the game, did you ever notice something different about the composition of N's pokemon team each time you fight him, compared to other rivals throughout the series? Most rivals will have a team of Pokemon that gradually grows larger and stronger, but never actually has members of the team get replaced (with a few exceptions, like Gary/Blue's Rattata).
But N? His team is completely different every time he's encountered. And if you pay attention to WHAT Pokemon are on his team each time, and WHERE each fight takes place, you might start to notice a pattern: each of his teams are composed entirely of Pokemon native to the immediate area you fight him in, (with the sole exception of his final battle). Not only that, but their movesets are exactly what a wild Pokemon in that area would be, no TMs, no move tutors, no egg moves, nothing. In most cases, they're even at the same levels as the local wild pokemon. In other words, his teams have had little-to-no training.
He's not taking the typical trainer's journey of capturing a pokemon, taking them with him everywhere he goes, putting them through every battle he can to level up and evolve them, and push them to their limits with TMs. He's traveling the world, meeting Pokemon where they are, battling with them for as long as is necessary to do what he must, before then RELEASING them back into the wild and moving on. And repeating this process again and again, even when it might put him at a disadvantage.
He sticks to his principles as far as he's able to.
It's one of the great bits of storytelling in the game, because the game never explicitly points it out. You have to see the pattern for yourself to see the implications.
This level of detail with N makes me love him even more. I included the comic because the panel fit well with the bit about character assassination that I mentioned. Admittedly I was ignorant of how the comic failed to address the real argument that you described which is actually very reasonable. Thanks for teaching me something new man
I literally wrote this a minute ago. I love it, it's nice to not feel alone
Perfect i was just looking for an N video to watch!!
Personally I always viewed N with the knowledge that he can TALK to Pokémon so in my mind every member of his team willingly came along with him to help him realize his ideals
Keep the good work
I love N he’s so unique and innocent
N wasn't a hypocrite, but he wasn't right either. There aren't any indications of pokemon being treated cruelly in BW (which excludes battling by this franchises definition because Pokemon really do seem to like it) except for when Team Plasma is involved. Also his entire worldview was carefully curated in an artificial environment to make him the perfect puppet king for a false activist organization so the old guys in charge can implement their cruel agenda from the shadows.
A fellow sane intelligent human being.
7:51 which episode is this??
this is a damn good analysis
I know this migh sound weird but , always wanted a spin off that tackles human own abilities, akin to shin megami tensei at least gameplay wise not going to punch arceus in the face, we know humans like bea can train toe to toe with machokes, we know psionics in humans can be strong since gen 1, so is aura i want my rpg games with aura swords and stuff LETS GOOO im sure n would be all over it
That actually sounds pretty cool lol.
It is my personal head cannon, that N got Reshiram. Could be bias because I played white version though.
IMO Legends Arceus proved that his beliefs were reasonable to some extent, even his reformed ideal of having interaction with pokemon without the need of pokeballs were actualized in hisui.
Historic pokemon from Legends Arceus is better, I agree with N. The rest of team plasma on ghetsis's side were only out for power and I dislike them thoroughly. I'm all for reformation, but manipulating for power like a dictator is not redeemable IMO. Plus Ghetsis tries to kill the player character in the second game.
Since in Black and White you can't interact with your Pokémon (No Following mon, No Pokémon amie, No Pokémon Camp, No Picnics), I believe that the games should be remade to include it. The trainer can't be that amazing If they only interact with their pokemon in battle, playing and chilling with them should be the goal. Maybe they change the way the happiness/freindship rate works, the longer the pokemon are left alone in pokeballs the less happy or freindly they are, and the more they are let out the more freindly/happy they are. Plus a required feeding/watering system would be great too. I mean the pokecenter could do that, but to interact with your pokemon you could go pick berries and filter fressh water together in a camp. This way it would give exp. and hp to pokemon, not just restore their basic needs. Of course then death would have to be included which is too dark for a pokemon game, but if it was there then any lost pokemon can be burried or put in the celestic tower. It would be more realistic and add a lot more world building and characterization for all involved. Maybe even side quest jobs for making money to afford equipment and kibble. Oop- thats a rant, sorry 'bout that.
Any ways, alot could be added to pokemon, especially my favorite gen of gen 5. I would say, in gen 5 N was definitely right. Most if not all trainers could be considered bad, the only interactions are pretty much off screen. Plus, Personally the picnic egg option is much more humane than force breeding pokemon at the day care. Now you know my thoughts lol.
People usually say they reformed N, but in my case I think he reformed me. Loool.
I suppose the only way they could stop people is by winning a Pokemon battle in this society. Also, idk how much of team plasma actually believed N; they were kicking a muna for dream smoke…..
Yes, they were. We get to see the few that believed and truly followed N as ex- plasma members in b2w2. The ones that were like Ghetsis stayed with him and formed Neo Plasma.
As a person who frequents r/antiwork and likes gen 5 the most this video speaks to me alot I wonder how many Joker memes we can fit in this comment section
I like Pokémon games and amazing
Ideally, N had a point. But in reality, N was fed a lie. Which one of the many great things about Gen 5 is that N doesn't immediately change his ways, but instead questions them. And that's pretty much the entire theme of the game. So no, he's isn't right and that's okay.
Didn’t someone gain the trust of an articuno in one of the Pokémon series. So he may be the first antagonist but surely not the only person who gained the trust of a legendary pokemon right.
Definitely not the first to gain trust of a legendary, nor the only.
N wasn't a hypocrite he had his believes and lived by those but team plasma they are if you played the games there are cutscenes where they would hurt pokemons like that nunma you find in the ruins next to striaton city 🤷 also when you defeat them you get dialogues you see in any other evil team like this pokemon is useless I can't wait to get a better one if I'm not mistaken also ghetsis have a hydreigon with a live orb a item that hurts it's user and knows frustration a moove that increases power the more a Pokemon hates it's owner seems like the only good guy in team plasma was N
N doesn’t really catch and keep pokémon. He has a different team each time you face him and his team are the same as on the route you fight him on. Implying he doesn’t keep them.
N could have had more interesting motives if he was written with truth or ideals in mind. In Pokémon black he uses zekrom, so I find that he could wish to represent the ideals of Pokémon. Or if he wished to persue his truth of Pokémon in white. This would make him a better written character as in the games he used ideals and truth interchangeably deppending on the game.
I think I have an answer for that. Did you realize that both legendaries (Ns and yours) awaken only when the two characters are near each other? Perhaps the real ideal and truth is a mix of both, as the original dragon once was.
I always thought that N was not a human and that he was a Zoroark.Initially I thought that N was a Zorua and that with time he evolved into a Zoroark
If N was a Zoroark he wouldn’t be able to talk. They had a Zoroark pretending to be a child in the game and he could only say “Yip”.
@@Mehkno, there's that backpacker in lostlorn forest that gives you snarl. They are a zoroark and can speak. It's possible, but I don't really think N is a pokemon.
I hate that force hypocrisy argument. people used that since my childhood to dismiss me complaining about the way the world should be. it drove me nuts, as if I could be taken seriously if I did the same thing yelling from a remote mountaintop while chiseling my grievances on stone tablets...
Y’all are hypocrites that ignore facts and logic.
N was right.
@@EljorindoBergmite145-je6ityes. Indeed he was.
@@TearfulZorua He absolutely was
straight fax. love bw analysis videos, this was class.
Black and white is the best region anyway,, since it release i dont understand the hate,, is it because they dont play on nostalgia in the first ?? i always though that the 151 first pokemon was quite boring,, so i was really fan of the new pocket monster,, my only problem is N who at the end think your a good trainer,, i think it would be better if depending on how much pokemon on your PC you have,, N change every dialogique to passive from more agressive,, it would be super duper great,, also,, Ghetis who would call you cruel if you have a high rate of critical hit would be so funny
Actually yes, this would make it so much better. And if remakes add pokemon picnic to enter act w8th your team and have higher happiness. Yay, finally someone whom agrees!
This is a really good analysis on BW. However, i think that Ghetsis does ruin the story. By having ghetsis say that Team Plasma and him was just making up the whole Pokemon liberation, makes N's Journeys seem pointless.
It was pointless and stupid because no one’s forcing the Pokémon to fight and they love it.
Agreed
@@Taz-ey4jloi, why are you in every reply? What do you have against N lol?
@@TearfulZorua He’s trying to take Pokemon away from people.
the whole point of the game is that both he and alder are right. you need both truth and ideals to make dreams true
This is SO relevant to me and my vegan activism, thank you for putting a light on it. I constantly get criticized for paying for vegetables where crop deaths occur. But that is literally vital for us to remain alive and influence the world into changing for the better.
N is probably my favourite character in the entire story. And I hate that I had to play the game as the foil for his plans instead of as N myself.
Meats also vital for us to stay alive and healthy because we’re omnivores even herbivores eat other animals sometimes when they need stuff you can only get from eating other animals and Carnivores get plants nutrients from eating their prey.
n was not a hypocrite he did what he believed he had to do dismantle the system from the inside that what what I thought and the part where he said that he feels the same pain that his pokemon were feeling when he is defeated just showed how much he cared for pokemon team plasma on another hand they were very hypocritical when they lose you can read that they say stuff like can't wait to get a better pokemon totally disregarding their pokemon feelings also in pokemon black and white 1 and 2 you an see them hurting pokemon like when you have to rescue that munna in pokemon black and white 1 or when you have to rescue the farmer pokemon in pokemon black and white 2 in practice n had a good point but remember that pokemon is a kid game so the main character is always right and in reality is complicated because remember that pokemon are a bit different that real animals and in the world of pokemon you strengthen your bonding with your pokemon by working together / fighting n was the best rival on pokemon history because all the player rivals on other pokemons game just wanted to be better than the main protagonist while n makes you question your morality as a pokemon trainer
It didn’t make me question anything because I knew Pokèmon weren’t enslaved the only reason why they fight is because they want to see if you’re a strong trainer and also because it’s a game mechanic in real life it would be more like the anime.
Yes, and he succeeded. Have you played Legends Arceus, that game is ten times more reasonable to the pokemon. And you can bond by hanging out with the pokemon, realistically way better than battling or forcing them to do stuff for you. Also just cuz pokemon are a bit different doesnt mean battling is necessary good, it's likely still harmful and "trying to see if you're a strong trainer" is bs. The pokemon can use their own moves, they don't need people to tell them what to do, a strong human isn't just a person that can tell you what to do and punish you when you misbehave, a strong person is someone who physically can defend themselves and has empathy.
@@TearfulZorua never played it tbh
@@TearfulZorua I love dumb people like you.
In the manga , N literally does not catch Pokemon, he just walks with them and battles Black.
Also he does not battle gym leaders , he just wanted to overthrow the Unova government by defeating the Champion.
Huh, I didn't like the Manga because of its representation of Hilda and black. I didn't really read enough to know this, but seen the clip where Hildas Pokémon chose to stay with N instead. Crazy stuff.
@@TearfulZorua this was her trauma character development , she never tried to battle and didn't know if her pokemon wanted to battle. She later became a strong trainer, who can understand pokemon .
N is an anarchyst in a state society bro
Not even close no one’s forcing anyone to catch Pokèmon nor are they forcing the Pokèmon to do anything lol.
@@Taz-ey4jloi you blind bruh? The only way to get anything done is to be a pokemon trainer in the pokemon universe, it's so capitalized that without a pokemon you opinion doesn't matter, humans refuse to fight one another, even during wars. They leave it to the pokemon... like they darn sure are forcing this sheet.
1. N makes the case that pokemon should not be the property of their trainers
2. OP video claims N is wrong for stealing pokemon from other trainers. (also proves that the thumbnail is misleading.)
3. to imply theft, OP unitentionally admits pokemon are their trainers property. proving point 1.
the irony of your argument against N is as painful as it is shallow. instead you could have delved into a much more sensible argument such as pokemon being able to actually refuse to battle, implying an implicit ability to consent or how their exist shelters for abused and abandoned pokemon. implying that people genuinely care for pokemon beyond mere tools. although Ns solution was a bit extreme, I wouldn't mind having a "Poke-bill of rights" type regulation in the pokemon league on how you can and cannot treat your pokemon so we don't end up with pokemon being mistreated without consequences for the trainer involved.
1. No one ever calls Pokèmon property in an argument against N’s ideals that’s a strawman argument lol.
2. You do know you defeated your own argument because they already have laws against mistreating Pokemon which is why those shelters exist.
If this change was for the benefit of Pokemon, then humans shouldn't need to 'use' Pokemon to make the change happen, because Pokemon should be perfectly capable of 'using' themselves. If they can't, then they are either supposed to be the accessories of humans, or Pokemon are missing something important that they need. (By the way, the answer is that they are missing knowledge/education)
They aren’t missing knowledge or education you know why they actually don’t do anything? It’s because Pokèmon love to fight and get stronger for fun they do it in nature all the time unlike real life animal it just so happens they have better fights and get stronger faster under a pokèmon trainer with the added bonus of no more predation from other Pokèmon and free food.
@@Taz-ey4jl If Pokemon aren't missing knowledge, then how do they ask their trainers questions? How do pokemon control the information they get from humans?
The point of the Gen 5 games was that N was both right and wrong. Everyone was right and wrong at the same time. Except Ghetsis.
Both only N and Ghetsis were wrong keep we were right keep huffing that copium.
@rikajougasaki3296 agreed. That's why both had to be nearby for either legendary to awaken. Ghetsis is an asshole and was never right, just a manipulative waste of time and space. Poor dialga and palkia.
@@Taz-ey4jlwhat is copium? Are you just saying to cope? I think anyone who believes that they were the only one right is clearly wrong. You have to be willing to see that not everything is perfect, as you might want to believe. You sir, are the one on copium.
@@TearfulZorua man I love it when y’all self project.
@@TearfulZorua Nope nothing N said was right.
It’s not the fact he uses Pokémon (he actually changes his team consistently throughout the journey, using the local Pokémon in his rival battles) it’s the fact that team plasma is actively abusive towards Pokémon and the world does nothing to prove his point. In the end of the story N literally realizes that you were right and gives up his ideas. N has the potential to ask interesting questions but they never do anything to give them a basis within the Pokémon world
Because his ideals shouldn’t have a bases they go against the facts any true fans of Pokémon don’t whine about Pokèmon battle that like whining about boxing matches and other sports that involve people hurting each other willingly lol.
Peak sprite Pokémon is black and white until everything went to 3D at X and Y, miss the Sprite formula when you played Red, Blue and Yellow as a tiny kid but you just got to accept that it's never going to be the same again with the Sprite formula with Game Freak or whoever is in charge now.
I don’t miss I hate the sprite formula now that I got a taste of 3D Pokèmon.
Also let's not forget that N is a zoroark,
for those who are already aware of the theory, there's another thing that was left out, Takeshi Shudo, one of the early writer of the pokemon anime and animated movies passed away right after the release of black and white and had been calling for a pokemon rebellion arc for years before, he was hospitalised for health conditions during the early development of the black and white games,
It's entirely possible that they actually paid hommage to Takeshi Shudo by making N a zoroark as he would have wanted, and considering that was when he wanted to put the pokemon rebellion arc, if he was still working on the anime by gen 5, we probably would have zoroark-N canon in the anime.
Takeshi Shudo inew nothing about how Pokèmon really were than.
N is not a zoroark. At least not in my head cannon. He is a human thank you very much. He was just raised by zoroark, among other pokemon, is all.
dude was completely off his rocker for a good while before his passing
Only way to beat the game, don't play it. Imo, but tbf, I don't currently have enough active brain cells to put down a decent, well-composed comment, just here for the algorithm babieee!
Nope that’s not beating me he game at all lol.
The Pokemon Ranger games only have you temporarily borrow the strength of Pokemon instead of capturing them. That's your alternative.
Shadows of Almia was a pretty fun game. It's the only one from the Rangers series I've played though
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I gotchu Nimbus!
I was right about the obese people
based video! if your alright with saying whats your political position?
Depends on the subject matter. I prefer to discuss positions on topics individually instead of using group labels. I feel doing so helps prevent the identity politics situation we got where people just care about teams instead of the actual politics. However, if I have to summarize everything you could say my political opinions tend to be on the progressive side of the spectrum instead of the conservative. Studying psych in a diverse college and living in New York City heavily influenced my politics.
@@ChampionAnalysis
then if i were to break it down into specifics
"capitalism is a flawed system thus:"
a: total abolishment b: only stronger regulations is needed c: made obsolete through social progression
"deer gender and other neo pronouns are" a: valid, its adults making their own decision harming no one b: thats really strange so no c: its their freedom to do so and is an excellent point to why gender as a concept is not useful
"the third world"a: should be brought up because its the right thing to do and first world countries should repay their debt (and fight china) b: uplifting the third world means more money in us involvement they should be given space c: the us should economically fight china to prevent chinas increase in strength in whatever way is effective
"healthcare" a: should be single payer, it works in europe and is cheaper b: more funding to current public option c: should be a robust public option but with strong federal regulations on insurance companies
"is a state (as defined by a government with a central leader eg: the us):" a: will one day be as obsolete as kings b: is the only system that seems to work c: VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!
"is GIRLBUS": a: bardas daughter? b: BARDAS DAUGHTER! c: GOD OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
thanks for coming to my tedx have a lovely day :P
He’s not right though lol Pokémon love to fight and get strong it’s like saying boxing should be illegal, only N wanted to release them, Pokèmon aren’t dumb animals they’re sapient magical monster they can destroy their Pokèballs whenever they want.
The reason I hate gen 5 IS because N was right. Pokemon are just slaves for humans who are apathetic to their happiness and wellbeing, thinking of them as no more than tools or weapons. But then GameFreak backtracks because they’re too afraid to stick to their thought provoking yet obviously needed theme. Team Plasma doesn’t have a point, they’re just secretly evil. And N just gives up on trying to end slavery of sentient beings cuz his daddy was badd.
Idiots writing the story are either cowards or grifters.
N doesn't give up lmao. Team Plasma never had any point from the start. Unova is a Utopia where Pokemon and People are already happy. All they are doing is spreading propaganda and manipulating people. Even when we first see them.
N wasn't really full on right though. Yeah...that's cruel and selfish people which isn't everyone, take Silver for example...he used to be the kind of person N was talking about but he changed and became someone who values Pokemon as equals and as real life forms. Gamefreak didn't backtrack and they weren't afraid to stick to their thought provoking theme. They did have a point...but you know who else kinda has a point? PETA, but just like them Team Plasma is also hypocritical...however not all of Team Plasma's members are hypocritical, so they aren't all evil. He doesn't give up on it at all, he fights against Ghetsis and opposes him.
They aren't idiots and they aren't cowards or grifters.
@@jaydenc367 boy you’re really trying to apologize for the juvenile writing in a game aimed at 3 year olds. Pokemon stories are the kind you’d find in an 80s cartoon aimed to sell toys, because that’s all Pokemon is. A media franchise made to sell toys. If they really cared about art N and Silver would be the main characters…but they’re not. Pokemon is the definition of strictly formula. Fire, water, grass starter, get 8 gym badges, encounter a cooky, fashion victim team, friendship speeches, Pokemon with no individuality, rinse and repeat.
Pokemon deserves to die as a franchise. It’s been a zombie franchise for more than ten years now.
@@dylanbuchanan6511 I'm not apologizing for anything and the writing isn't juvenile and considering 3 year olds can't read...yeah no the games aren't aimed at 3 year olds. Not at all and that's not all Pokémon is. That's not what it's made to do. They are some of the main characters in their respective games though...they just aren't protagonists and frankly they don't have to be. No it isn't the definition of that. Except gen 7 had trials, and the gyms are still different from each other, they aren't all cooky, most evil teams aren't that though, which are often about different things in each speech, which was only in gen 5, it's not rinse and repeat as most of the things you mentioned weren't in every game. No it doesn't deserve to die. Not at all, it's still changed and it's only thriving more, you only view that way because you don't like it anymore...but you not liking it doesn't mean it's a zombie franchise, get over yourself, the truth is the games have been selling more then they ever have before so calling it a "zombie franchise" is as false as it gets.
@@jaydenc367 gosh you’re so naive. Pokemon is a franchise meant for babies. Anyone can clearly see that. It’s like defending Care Bears and saying it’s actually a well-written, complex piece of media and I’m just too blind to see it. Go read some ACTUALLY good Pokemon stories like After Armageddon: A Fire Red nuzlocke or It’s a Hard Life: A Leaf Green Nuzlocke comic
N = PETA
Bullshit. N is not cruel to Pokémon thank you very much.
N is a hypocrite.
So are you /j
But seriously, no he isnt.
By far the most divisive. Either love it or hate it, nobody plays gen 5 and says "eh it was okay". Youre either a true pokemon fan and you hate it, or youre a zoomer Digimon kid
Oh hey, it's a genwunner! Hi hating jerk. Just so you know Gen one had the most boring "story", if you even could say it had one. Gate keeping is horrible bro, I love almost all pokemon, so technically I am a true pokemon fan. To the point of near obsession. Gen 5 is my favorite, and is the deepest and darkest story gamefreak will ever do. All you want dark and deep stories, and ramped difficulty, but when it's given to you you act like it's a waste of existence. For shame, for literal shame. Hope you enjoy constant charizards every fucking year.
I've alot of thoughts, so apologies in advance for the text wall 😅
I agree with alot of what you said here, however I belive N and especialy team plasma aren't free of hypocrisy. I feel the distinction between them is important because while N genuinely belives and acts on his ideals, the other members of team plasma only spout them to hide their true motives. Examples of this include the grunts who kick the stuffing out of a munna to try and get its dream gas, the grunt in team plasma's fortress who expresses a deep distain for the rattata in his care and confusion at the the rattata's continued efforts to interact and play with him, and Ghetsis himself who openly proclaims at durring the climax that he dosent care at all about pokemon, he just wanted to neuter any efforts to stop him from taking over the world.
The hypocrisy of N and whatever grunts actualy follow him takes a different form. I do belive N when he says that hes doing what hes doing because he belives hes right, but his intentions being pure doesn't mean they dont have flaws. Putting aside the numerous counterexamples one could state to his ideology, his own actions counteract his most desired goal: to keep all pokemon safe and happy. We see throughout the game how N and the grunts who follow him will steal pokemon from other trainers, and while this does track with his ideology, hes doing it to set them free, he never seems to take into account how the pokemon feel about this change. Even in cases where the pokemon very obviously don't want to be separated from their trainers, like Bianca and her munna, it dosent matter. He isn't giving them their agency back, hes removing it from them in the oposite way. Its an aspect of his character I find super interesting and I wish they'd explored it more in the game.
Yeah I think I should've made it clearer that I was referring to N and those that genuinely follow his ideals cause there are those that hopped on the cause to do foul things, which is really good story wise. I think N is definitely written to be someone who is trying to balance his actions with his ideals, but his flaw is in the name of the games. He has a deliberately black and white perspective on things and I think what we see in the game is that perspective being challenged internally and externally. I described only the internal, but moments like Bianca and her Munna would be the external challenges to his Black and White perspective. N really feels like another protagonist for these reasons. He's learning as if he was the real main character lol
Technically my videos would be text mountains if I published them in writing.
@@ChampionAnalysis N's character ark is one of my favourite in the series. The black and white world veiw N has crumbling when it comes into contact with reality and how he deals with it are super interesting to watch. I'm glad to hear you aren't bothered by my long coments, sometimes I worry that my diatribes might get boring or anoying 😅
The only problem with N's character arc is that hes pretty much right, so the only way to make him an antagonist is for him to be a hypocrite. The fact that the game establishes pretty much everything N was preaching was wrong, and essentially pokemon like fighting and being captured, is done so to excuse away the moral dilemma in the games. The games want the answer to is battling n capturing unethical to be "yes". if you as a trainer had to come terms with the entire way the system is set up youd have to admit being a trainer is kinda fucked up.
@@rocketeer9183 He’s not right though lol wtf are you talking about?