Was Pokémon REALLY Rebooted in Black and White? | Gnoggin
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- Some people say the 5th Generation of Pokemon was a 'soft reboot' for the series, but was it really? What made Pokemon Black and White so special that it led people to think this? Was it the Black and White Anime? Was it the games? Well let's go over all of the points usually brought up in regards to this claim, and we'll see about that.
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Hey ghetsis isn't a push over you know. He's the only evil boss that tried to kill the protagonist and get rid of them to carry out his plan in black and white 2. He's actually hardcore
if you ask me he comes off more as unhinged really but...he may have been the only one. In the games that is, although sun and moon lusamine for a second looked like she was gonna kill lillie actually
He certainly put in more effort than even Cyrus. Actually, even Cyrus was doomed to fail - his blasé behavior kind of screwed him over in the end.
@@Jdudec367 Yea, Lusamine sounded like she disowned her children right before, too
@@Jdudec367 You know who else looked like they were going to kill Lillie? Ghetsis in USUM's RR episode.
@@foundthenlost904 I know that
Fun fact: Cyrus wanted to reboot theuniverse and if gen 5 is a soft reboot then that could actually mean that Cyrus’s plan worked *surprised picachu face*
Soft reboot and reboot are the same he wanted no emotions in its dreamed world but there are still emotions. I failed and that's it
Maybe Cyrus' plan did work but the player intervening caused the universe to be reset in a good way rather than the bleak, nothing world Cyrus wanted. Kind of like when Lucas pulls the final needle at the end of Mother 3.
all i know is gen 5 music hits hard...
true that
*Driftveil City intensifies*
*Entralink is a underrated gem*
Lacunosa 😭👌🏻
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I love the fact that past pokemon were taken out of the dex in order to make the game feel completely new. We DON'T NEED zubat, pidgey, or rattata in every pokemon game.
Don't forget Pikachu
I personally hate this idea with a passion, but I respect your opinion
That idea goes against the whole point of pokemon tho, "gotta catch them all" is the pokemon's slogan, many people love those pokemon and have strong connection with them
@@renatoalmeyda8273 thats why the national dex exists.
@@trevorswims5754 i was just talking about the idea in general
I can’t lie, I really enjoy Black and White. I really enjoyed the story and playing with brand new Pokémon era.
I felt like I was going through a new world and discovering all of these new Pokémon. It brought me to the anime and I felt like was on a journey with him.
I also saw so many similarities to Gen 1 but only see it as my gen 1.
same
This is how I felt too!
It arrived at the exact right time, and really reignited my passion.
Yeah, technically white 2 was my first pokemon game, not the original black and white, but it definitely still feels like my gen 1. The previous games kinda had the same feel as games that your parents played when they were young. You almost feel like you aren't being you, but someone else
That might not've come out right, but that's the best way I could word it 😂
And years later, many long time fans finally realize that the Gen 5 games were truly some of the best Pokemon games ever made both in gameplay and story.
We were many years too late, we really need to start appreciating change instead of attacking it at first sight
I actually didn't, at the first time i saw gen 5 it instantly became my fav generation
They really aren't. Gen 5 is considered good nowadays for the same reason gen 1 ever was considered good. Nostalgia. Gen 5 kids grew up and replaced genwunners on the internet as the "vocal majority".
No old pokemon? Actually a good change, fair enough.
Designs? Just as terrible as gen 1's, with few actually cool ones scattered around.
"Deeper" story? If by depth you mean a splash of water on the sidewalk. It's pretty much "baby's first philosophy lesson" level of depth.
"More interesting" characters? Straight out of people's assholes; the characters are not particularly different from any previous gen.
Graphics? Still terrible for the standards of its day. Nintendo graphics have always been subpar up until Switch.
@@pan2614 most people liked gen 5,
gen 5 sold out instantly,
it was the most sold gen at the time, which is why its the only game with a direct sequel.
gen wunners whined and whined as a vocal minority
@@JohnSmith-kb4re okay sure
No old pokemon - good, agreed
Designs - Most of all of the designs were good and meant to improve the gen 1 designs, and they did that phenomenally
Deeper Story - yes absolutely. It dealt with problems in the real world instead of just "There are bad guys, let's defeat them and become the champion". It had the most and best character development Pokemon has ever seen
More Interesting Characters, yes. Let's compare: Cheren - Wanted to become champion, later realized there's more than just strength involved. Compare him to Blue - Just your childhood friend who thought he was tough. No goals. Compared to Barry - Another childhood friend who thought he was tough, also was a nuisance. N - Had a vision for the good of pokemon, and sought that future out. Giovanni - Mafia Boss. Archer - Wannabe Mafia Boss. Maxie/Archie - wanted more land/water. Cyrus - An insane person who disliked the world. Get my point?
Graphics - Pretty good for the time. It was on a DS. There was a massive world in Pokemon, and you think they could have made it 3D in just three years? On a DS? While still working on remakes and games for the Wii and DS?
Also, for you "Gen 5 kids grew up and replaced genwunners on the internet as "Vocal Majority", that's false. Ever since the Sinnoh fans got Sinnoh, they had been whining for remakes. And when they got them, and they were trash. You never hear about Gen 2 Kids complaining "we don't have remakes yet". Same for Gen 3, 5, and 6 kids.
I think the way people horribly reacted after BW affects whether the game is a reboot or not. They were clearly trying a lot of new things with it and the way people scoffed at it I think hurt gamefreak. You can't deny it, they put a lot of effort in those games. The likes of which we haven't seen since GS and we haven't seen that effort again. It's really sad. I'm not saying it's an excuse for SwSh but you can sort of see why that kills a series' momentum.
Thank you!!! I have always been saying this; I swear that if people had seen B/W for the gems they were at the time they were released, Gamefreak wouldn't have seen a need to "rework" the games in XY to what the series is today. I actually enjoy the modern games, but man, would I not kill to see how these modern games would have turned out if game freak put the same love into them they did BW.
I don't think Sword and Shield are anywhere as bad as a lot of people complain it to be. But even if it was, they do deserve it after scoffing at Black and White. And all this scoffing at Sword and Shield just might make things worser if we think about it.
@@byronlyons3548 hell i loved black and white, i still think it is better than omega ruby and alpha sapphire
Agreed for the most part, but I think the fan base's reaction really shaped what kind of reboot Pokemon got. A lot of people don't seem to realize they've been talking about the number of new Pokemon being unsustainable since back then.
If Black and White succeeded they may have kept making games with completely new Pokemon, but because they didn't do so well Game Freak decided to play it safe and do a mix of old and new. Regional variants are a sort of compromise.
They cater to gen 1 fans the same way Nintendo caters to Ocarina of Time fans with Zelda. As much as fans complain about the direction the series has taken they really are the reason for it, ironically even right down to the more mature tone being reverted back.
Maybe if they had actually gauged interest from the people buying the games they would have realized the new ones wouldn’t go over well. Seems like they just simply don’t care about satisfying the returning customers anymore.
People say that Gen 5 was when Pokémon changed. However, I disagree.
Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 were truly the last games of the "Golden Age" of Pokémon.
@Sun Studios the likes beat it out, the man speaks the truth, the concept of every pokemon game is amazing, bud sadly GF isn't given enough time with the 3D games.
@@BBWahoo that wouldn't even change much even if gamefreak gave us another gen 5 with only new pokemon it would be caused the worst pokemon game ever like every pokemon generation since 4, I learned a lot of pokemon fans don't want the franchise to innovate or evolve.
@Sun Studios I don’t see any dislikes
Yeah x and y really sucked for us Golden Age Trainers to easy and way less diversity in Pokémon like they used Megan’s to cover it up
No.
The whole anime is basically just Ash doing a solo challenge. "Can you become champion of every region using only a Pikachu?"
well in journeys yeah but less other regions.
even in journeys you have to expand it to Pikachu and riolu.
Lm f a o
Took a few fails until Alola
@@igorlopes8463 He DID get closer and closer to championship with each league, though.
@@w925gaming6 Pikachu literately gotten so jealous in one episode just because Ash was spending more time with Riolu, Gengar, Dragonite, and Farfetch'ed that he ran away. (like seriously WTF Pikachu?)
Honestly, the whole hatred for gen 5 i never understood it did a lot of great things like version differences actually caused differences in the games, difficulty options, and the best story a pokemon game had to date and the most new pokemon in a game.
it wasn't till gen 7 and 8 that i realized where the hatred came from. Pokemon fans don't like change at all. with gen 7 and the island trials changing up what gyms could be in a pokemon game fans especially older ones where hard against them and with gen 8 making the inevitable decision of pokemon cuts the simple idea they couldn't use the same team threw people into an utter rage. it became clear everytime something new was added or you couldn't use the old it was met with sheer backlash. Z moves, mega evolution, triple and rotation battles, dynamax, and yes even new pokemon were considered the worst thing ever until the next game and it's new thing. Pokemon fans say they want the games to inovate and try something new a lot of the times are the largest voices that don't want the games to change. And it is very obvious with each game we are getting less and less new pokemon and just variations of old pokemon that game freak is sadly listening to those voices. and it's been quite obvious for a while that we will never get a new generation like BW where everything is new and we have a bunch of new pokemon. Because in a large part ofthe pokemon fanbase they have forgotten pokemon is about the new journey and the new pokemon not just catch them all
Yeah, it's amazing games.
I knew that instantly, cause I'm unaffected by fanbase-nonsense.
The story was also badly executed though.
Let's not overlook that.
It was very badly handled, in the end.
You were told what to think, which is really stupid.
They did the great story wrong.
@@slevinchannel7589 it's still the best story Pokemon tried to have to date. Poorly executed yes but still the best one
In the main line games anyway
@@shadowlance8212 Yeah, you're right.
@@shadowlance8212 Especially with your notion of 'only main games' it's absolutely right.
Of course Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeon had vastly better Storys. Of course.
But all that is exactly why i want Black and White 3. Even though it might sound silly to want a Part 3, i dare to differ.
I think improving these games even further will create amazing stuff and bring back the old quality.
...But I'm not very optimistic about anything at the moment... Aside from the Erma Comics maybe... they rock...
I could've sworn that was a dub error when Ash said it was the anniversary of the first day they met. Nonetheless, it's still a great video.
You're right, lockstin forgot or something.
Yeah it's a english dubbing thing
Not only that, that clip was from a pokemon movie special, it wasn't even from the anime itself.
Here's another option: Add up all the times the characters complain about having been lost in the wilderness/needing multiple days to get to the next town. It definitely adds up to more than a year.
@@RoninCatholic Also, isn't the league always in a specific date? I think I remember them saying the conference being held in like a year so there's always a limited amount time to collect the badges, correct me if I'm wrong but I think I remember it being that way.
"This is the first season were ash doesn't have a returning companion."
What about Charizard.
Obviously, in fact,
it was never rebooted.
There was no actual Reboot, that's
just freaking obvious.
...Ah, whatever. More importantly: When are Bliack 3 and White 3
coming out already?!
2:48: ...Wow...
...That's... not at all the thoughts of current gamefreak,
that's for sure... oh wow...
Hey: Remember the time when houses were inside bigger than outside? Now it's the opposite.
Stuff is always less good than it looks.
Funny how people still defend these current games. Funny.
And sad.
and pikachu
I think he meant HUMAN companion.
@@slevinchannel7589 it’s obvious that the “older fan” concept they went for FAILED, and that’s why they’ve gone back to appealing to their original younger audience.
The current games have their flaws but are better than some of the older games.
Pokemon Black was my first pokemon game, so it's kinda fitting for gen 5 to be kind of reboot, because it was easier for me to get into
Same. Black was my first video game ever and it was honestly a great point to start
Yo same
2:48: ...Wow...
...That's... not at all the thoughts of current gamefreak,
that's for sure... oh wow...
Hey: Remember the time when houses were inside bigger than outside? Now it's the opposite.
Stuff is always less good than it looks.
Funny how people still defend these current games. Funny.
And sad.
@@slevinchannel7589 bruh, pokemon's fanbase is so toxic
@@slevinchannel7589 when is stuff less good then they luck?
"A new fur bait pokemon."
How could you say something so controversial yet so bold?"
They could never replicate Gardevoir's massive success
@@DarkPsychoMessiah until... Hatterene came in... (which kind of wrong when you know Hatterene is just a small girl)
@@FinnManusia People like lolis und onee chans lul
If u combine them...
@@davity2002 But Hatterene also the "Checking your vibe" Pokemon
Ikr?! Zoroark as a furbait?! Unbelievable I say! Everyone obviously knows that Emboar was the furbait for Gen 5!
Half the fandom: Gen 5 is a reboot!
The other half: Gen 5 isn't!
Me: I don't care. I just think they're good Pokemon games.
That's all that matters, they were good, They ARE Good, *_They Are The Best Of All Games_*
@@butofcourse not the best
@@zubair-rp1ie opinions, i guess
@@zubair-rp1ie Personally I did prefer it over Diamond and Pearl. (2 fire types... Two)
@@zubair-rp1ie Ah, who am I kidding I do think it's the best
I am a Digimon and a Pokemon fan. On one end, i found digimon growing up with me - its games and anime catering to my new grown-up understanding of the world. Sadly, that wasn't entirely the case with Pokemon. Black and White was THE thing i missed out on Pokemon for years. It felt like Pokemon finally decided to grow up for its fans and its story was easily the best in all the games so far. The game seemed to respect its players, which is sadly something recent titles don't really do.
I really would've preferred if BW was a reboot point for the franchise to mature
I wonder what you think about gen 9's story, is a bit darker for Pokemon standars, yknow, divorce, a child having neglectful parents, someone straight up dying and it not being mentioned until a fake one says it, a child having to say goodbye twice to it's parent even if he couldn't do it in person the first time, and even if later they didnt give him much attention, his parent still loved him
Now that I think about it, all of this is connected to a single character, a tragic character for sure, the other ones is one who made a team to stand up to bullying and then being blamed as the bad guys while the school director didn't give a frick about the bullying and another one who's basically a Pokemon player, became the greatest and nothing is a challenge anymore to the point it's boring and wishes there was a challenge, someone difficult to beat
The protagonist is just there for the ride
X and Y was because Game Freak stop trying, no one liked how bold they went with black and white, so gen 6 was game freak started playing it safe and relying on nostalgia by putting the three gen 1 starters in the game
And same thing happened in gen 7 and gen 8 too, fans really stabbed in the back of gamefreak and thier efforts they put in gen 5
@@Diabolos1007 pretty much why gen 5 was realy the best. They didn't afraid to try New Idea , making a real story etc.
Gen 6 feel juste like a remake of gen 1.
They even reuse some map from gen 1. The first forest is the same layout of viridian forest with the same pokémon and trainer... The game even give you starter from gen 1 and said "hey look its gen 1 starter and they have mega evo. You can trow away your New starter and take them."
I think your very first statement is wrong, they *tried too hard* with it.
I wish they just focused on hardcore fans and not just the competitive ones. Give us more new Pokémon. Stop trying to pander to Gen 1 when Gen 2 got nothing along Gen 6 mons and some gen 5 mons that deserve attention. Make a story that makes sense.
In Gen 6, they basically forgot to focus on the new Pokemon entirely. None of the new Pokemon got Megas until ORAS, which then only added a Mega for a Mythical Pokemon that didn't even exist for most of XY. Your starter was basically guaranteed to be overshadowed by the Kanto starter you got because it could Mega Evolve.
Gen 5 did have a similar problem initially with only 2 of the new Pokemon having access to their Hidden Abilities initially, but this was at least fixed in B2W2, where only a couple of Pokemon didn't have access to them.
Gen 7 didn't have this problem because any Pokemon could use a Z move and the starters even got exclusive ones right away.
Gen 8 had this problem a bit simply because the starters didn't have Gigantamax forms until the DLC came out, but at least any Pokemon can Dynamax.
i had never noticed how cubone and vullaby were polar opposites, one is wearing the skull of their dead mother and the other is wearing the skull of whoever her mom brought for dinner lmao
"you cant raise the stakes higher!"
what about the *multiverse*
Ultra Necrozma?
Ultra Wormholes
Imagine of ORAS was just all "Let's reset this universe but we do it so hard it would actually reset the one without Megas"
How about trying to absorb the mystic energy that holds the universe together, in turn destroying the universe and they will even kill the protagonist to obtain their goals. That good? Maybe the mystic energy/magicky stuff was made by unown so some more lore for unown
Also obviously it was "let's look within" instead of escalating like a shounen anime
Which was refreshing
"More experienced"
**shows the clip where he asks if Treecko is a water type**
This really does make a ton of sense! I personally feel like the Mewtwo/Genesect comparison is probably the biggest evidence. Mewtwo was literally the "shock and awe" of the original games because he was "made". Then the company does it again with Genesect? They had to have known what they could be implying 🤷♂️
To be fair, the games themselves never really confirmed that Team Rocket was behind Mewtwo's creation - just hints that Giovanni wanted to get it for himself.
@@MrAuthor3DS Right! However, the texts in Cinnabar Island do confirm his creation in general. Just like Genesect they both aren't natural beings. I think that's why they created the Genesect movie too. Just to show there was such a deliberate similarity by having both pokemon in it.
That's why I love the movie.
My man didn’t bring up the best part of gen 5. The music that slaps hard
*slaps* FACTS
I loved it that black and white took care of the "older" audience.
I also loved it that there were only new pokemon to catch till the elite4.
I hate it that everyone feels the need to have their old team every game now. just replay old games. losers.
LOSERS BAHAHAHAHA
This. While I understand that you have an attachment to your old Pokémon, I always thought that bringing all your old Pokémon to new game is kinda pointless. That will limit your exploration and wonders of the new game
@@spotsthecat7913 WELL SAID! Now let the others who complains not want to start a new game with new team know about it
Black and White was the freshest the series had felt since Gen 2 for me. X and Y blew it out of the water, but still.
Gold Silver was epic for letting us revisit Kanto after you flip the game at the end
it's a shame gen 5 flopped so hard, you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone.
Just replay it, duh.
@@slevinchannel7589 i'm still playing through gen 2, i have a long way to go before i get there.
@@gregorymirabella1423 Does that mean you NEVER played Generation 3, 4 and 5?!? Never??
Wow, you're gonna have something beyond you. Enjoy it.
And important: Dont skip the Spin-Offs. Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeon have better Humor AND much better Stors than most if not all of the Main Games.
They are extremly good... except 'Super Mystery Dungepn' - i genuinly dont know what went wrong with that one, but for some reason, dont ask me why, but it's the worst game by many levels...
So you should really give them all a try, except that one.
Sorry for the long comment - just wanted to help. Bye.
I dunno if "so hard" is right. It's just barely under Gen IV.
It didn't flop that badly. XY and SM barely did better did BW (less than a million) and B2W2 did better than Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum
Gen V was amazing and really had fascinating depths to the story and characters. Bianca and Cheren really showed off the themes of ideals and truth in their growth and even with Team Plasma talking to the various members showed how there were some who truly believed in N's cause, those who merely saw Pokemon as tool and were confused on why the Pokemon with them were so attached, and those who were just villains. This game left such an impression and I loved how they took it into sequel territory. A shame we never got a B3W3 to show off the original dragon and maybe bring everyone together for a massive conclusion to the Unovan story.
A so called “level 5” Snivy that knows leaf tornado...right.
this is why you shouldn't expect the games & anime to be the same lol that doesn't work
That snivy was probably lv 100
Lvl 16 to be correct
I thought Snivy used leaf storm? In the anime it was Trip's Servine which knew leaf tornado.
Pokemon peaked at gen 5. The story was amazing, the music was amazing, rotation battles, bring that mechanic back please, it was actually challenging, and I know this is gonna sound crazy but MY GOD IT HAD JUST A REGIONAL DEX. I think from now on, Pokemon should have a REGIONAL DEX ONLY, with ONLY new pokemon to bond with and experience, and THEN as a post game reward, get the nat pokedex. We really could've had that going foward, but nah the Pokemon Fandom LOST ITS MIND over not having their PRECIOUS pokes, and thus in BlackWhite 2, we get old pokemon back. Thanks I hate it.
Alola only had a regional Dex. (And because of that it's the only game I will likely ever get the shiny charm in.
@@TheSpencermacdougall by regional dex I mean only new Pokemon should've been more specific
Gen 5 was dexit done right.
It encourages you to bond with the new pokemon, while still allowing you to get your old friends when it matters. Let's be real, there's no reason you need your full team of level 100s in the main story.
Sword and shield was kinda the worst of both worlds. Not only can only certain pokemon be brought forwards, but some can, and you can go out and catch a full team of old mons pretty quickly, leaving your starter and any new pokemon boxes.
Gen 5 was the first and only generation to encourage you to bond with the newer pokemon rather than using them as a way to get to your older favorites and maybe bonding with them in the process.
It didn't need that in black/white 2, because everyone has had the time in between games to bond with the gen 5 mons, so at that point it would have served no purpose except to piss off the people who didn't like it.
I think BW 2 are my favorite pokemon games of all times, because it was the first ones, but more, the story is definitelly a bir worse than the first one but a lot of stuff like the bigger map, more modes and the variety of pokemon being included made it really enjoyable
And i still love BW1 but i think it isnt as replayable mainly for the lacking variety of pokemon even if all od them are great
@@TheRibottoStudios oh yeah, i would love a new pokemon only dex of gen 6 with 70 mons. Every trainer could have 6 fletching on the team. Either that or bloat the pokedex with more filler mons than necessary.
Unova was definitely a breath of fresh air. I love this generation.
Gen 5 has to be my favorite gen other than the first one, I really like the designs of all the Pokémon and the people the story was probably my favorite as well. Though it is sad the previous Pokémon weren’t there until later
AND the Story was fantastic!
The designs have a lot of highs but I feel like there are a lot of low lows
@@M_Alexander I'm with you on that! I also feel like the first games, especially early-on, lack variety.
I actually have the opposite opinion to you, but for the same reasons you like it, at least when it comes to the Pokemon: Gen 1 and gen 5 have some serious low points in designs for me, and a lot of mediocre ones, which has always kept them from being my favourites.
@Nadia Blue Well, that does make _a lot_ of sense if we consider GameFreak's possible intentions as pointed out in the video. They wanted to gauge the reactions of new fans into the series as well as old fans to figure out what went well in the beginning and, hence, why they replaced many first gen pokemon and stuck to a similar yet still unique story line by adding in new elements that still distinguishes it from gen 1. Given the fact that gen one was nearing 20 years prior at that point, it's not unreasonable to think they may have lost ties to original fans and didn't make the best of notes about what went well initially and what went wrong. Hence, retesting the waters was probably a great move on GF's part as they probably lost touch with their fanbase after such a long time. Even if sales were at its lowest for B&W, it still was a learning opportunity for them so they can make some necessary changes to future games as per fan input, while still sticking to their personal view on where the series should move forward. Also, it may have helped them to learn where they could make risks with major changes/additions into their later games despite knowing about potential backlash: mega-evolution and a new pokemon typing in gen 6, regional variants, concept of ultra beasts, no gyms in gen 7, dynamax/gigantamax gimick, raid battles, [partial] free-roam mechanic, and no elite four in gen 8, etc.
Tl;dr
Hypothesis: Gen 5 was a _necessary_ experimental gen for a great learning opportunity for GameFreak. After a long time, they may have lost touch with fans and didn't take good notes of criticisms in the beginning.
It should also be mentioned that Dawn did make an appearance in the BW anime for a few episodes during the Meloetta arc. This further shows that Ash still went through all of the same events.
Lockstin: so basically both the anime and the game is a reboot
Me who saw Charizard and literally every past gen pokemon from Ash come back at the end of Unova: *hhhhmmmmmm*
The charizard comeback was cus the audience of the anime going down
Ash's Charizard came back sometime after the Unova Pokémon League. The last Season for Black and White brought back plenty of past Gen Pokémon as Game Freak were working on X and Y.
I believe they brought back past gen Pokemon in the anime after the black and white league, or during to coincide with the games seeing as you could catch past gen Pokemon after the pokemon league in game.
My favorite line from the back and white anime. "I caught Charmander 10 years ago" showing Ash is aware he was 20.
Lowkey feels like gen 6 was the reboot and gen 5 felt like the finale
Truth
gen 6 very much went back to the basics in a different way. gen 5 felt like a soft reboot of what worked before while gen 6 was appealing to new players gameplay wise.
The jump to 3D really set Gamefreak back. They are just not good at it.
@@archiiebarrett jump to 3d went fine with sun and moon. it is like it takes a while for the devs to be Ok with the new tools they are given. Same with gen 4. gen 5 really perfected the DS spritework. And now, it will be the same with the HD games. If gen 9 or 10 still looks and runs like SWSh, then we will have an issue. Gamefreak is obviously lazy and incompetent for being unfamiliar with HD development. It's not like they have been working on handheld mainly for the last 2 decades. They can't magically make SE caliber looking games on their first get go. They just need a better workflow now because of how much time HD games takes compared to 3ds games.
Because it was, that's why the dimensions split in those games. It's so obvious I don't know why he didn't include that.
Gamefreak: *Releases gen 5, with an idea to give older fans a new adventure who are also pretty old age
Fans: *gen 5 is useless, gen 5 pokemon designs are dumb, gamefreak is dumb
Gamefreak: *Releases gen 8 with an idea to attract new and younger fans
Still fans: *gen 8 games are useless, we need old pokemons, gamefreak is dumb
Seriously as a pokefan myself, I can't even get what people really want. No matter what gamefreak does, fans are always their to criticize them.....
that's exactly why I stopped being in the Pokémon Community as a whole, when game freak gives the change people asked, they ask for something they already had, saying that change is bad and all that. I just can't get over it
think about how huge the pokemon fandom is.
seriously, think.
there's no possible way for anybody to give that large a group of people exactly what they want. there's always going to be a sizable chunk that's unhappy with whatever decision is made. its no use bitching about it, people are people and we all have our own ideas of what pokemon should be. If someone doesn't agree with something you like, that doesn't make them wrong. it just means they're not you.
I LOVE B&W it's my favorite games! And pretty much the only games that I constantly go back to! (And it was also the FIRST PKMN game I ever played!) A Lot of the replacement Pokemon have WAY better designs than their older gen counterparts, too
A lot od people complained about garbodor but god is it better thann muk xd
2:48: ...Wow...
...That's... not at all the thoughts of current gamefreak,
that's for sure... oh wow...
Hey: Remember the time when houses were inside bigger than outside? Now it's the opposite.
Stuff is always less good than it looks.
Funny how people still defend these current games. Funny.
And sad.
@@nahemiasalbo5927 "Better than the orginal" is a good reason for a LOT of gen 5 Pokemon
Well no wonder you love B&W so much-it's where you BEGAN the franchise! If I started with generation 5 instead of generation 1, it would have been my favourite too.
@@Enigmatism415 Probably, nostalgia automatically gets rid of all the flaws, lol
Gen 5 was the thing fans were and are asking for, and the fans hated it.
Ladies and gentlemen, Pokemon fans.
As an old German saying goes: People don't know what they want.
Edit: And IF somebody knows what he / she wants, said person gets called a weirdo, stupid, salty or not entitled.
@@MelodyCrystel Then the Germans are very wise
5:35 draining pikachu of its power made it more exhausted tho
U can see the way pikachu is breathing that it got tired faster
And pikachu and ash were distracted at the surprise at the lack of thunderbolt
Hey but why pikachu lost against a panpour. Its a pure water type and is veryyyyy weak.
@@shanchar you sure it's "weak"??? 🤣 don't understimate cress & panpour
@@maganhassan2627 yeah it is level 999 and pikachu was just level 0
So IMAO a move water gun by level 999 panpour will kill a zekrom of level 900 so pikachu was no close i mean if zekrom ( a pokemon who made a level infinite pokemon into 0 )cant stand a chance against lord panpour then what will a 0 level pikachu do😕😕
@@shanchar dude...this is why you cannot expect the anime & games to be the same that doesn't work I know cress is a skilled battlier & him & panpour work well togther so yeah I ain't too surprised panpour beat pikachu
@@maganhassan2627 yeah i was surprised when ash beat tobias two legendary pokemon and tell me who was stronger there. Tobias or pikachu
Ash really said “Golden experience requiem! Reset to zero!”
And then lost to a snivy
No any return of previous companions? People always forget that Ash met Cynhia, Dawn and Piplub in Virbank City in the episode "Piplup, Pansage, and a Meeting of the Times!" (BW086) and his Charizard in the Kanto Fair in the episode "The Fires of a Red-Hot Reunion!" (BW116).
If anything gets the claim to a soft reboot, it's Gen 6. It's literally a different continuity but "mostly" the same.
I think it was their second attempt to revive the series, that time using different methods
Gen 5 also, IMO, had the best _writing_ the series ever had, with (relatively) complex characters, more extensive involvement from named characters outside the rivals/antagonist bosses, and substantially better dialogue. Especially compared to the subsequent games, that think you need to have a summary of what you just read at the end of any exposition longer than a few text boxes, and the height of their eloquence is god damn _Tierno_ blabbering about dance moves.
Gen 5 is the reason we get mature writing in xy sm and swsh
Tierno dancing is wholesome and whimsical
Honestly, it's on par with gen 4, which I believe to be the best in background unnecessary to understand what's going on lore, kinda like dark souls and how it gives lore. Honestly, if the two had a love child, I'd forget sword and shields ... story? Is that what it's supposed to be?
@@madnessarcade7447 Huh, I liked the writing in XY, but I'm part way through Black and, well, the gameplay and lack of Pokemon are making it tough for me to get to the plot stuff that people say they like, and N just feels kind of... confusing?
I’d argue Alola had it a little better, but unova isn’t far behind
"Everybody calles it a reboot"
Well, this is the first time I heard that, but okay.
Same
I always saw it as a reboot.
Same, if you're talking about the game's, I haven't even seen people on Reddit say it
"Burn baby burn" Reshiram, 2010
Disco inferno
2:48: ...Wow...
...That's... not at all the thoughts of current gamefreak,
that's for sure... oh wow...
Hey: Remember the time when houses were inside bigger than outside? Now it's the opposite.
Stuff is always less good than it looks.
Funny how people still defend these current games. Funny.
And sad.
*"It's Time For Your [NOT] Controlled Shock"*
- Zekrom, 2010
Original Source: One Of Scrap Baby's Dialogues After Killing You in UCN, Except for the "[NOT]" Part
One thing against the reboot theory is the fact that it was on the other side of the world.... so it'd make sense to have complete different Pokemon.... so that could be a lore issue....
That entire section about the replacement pokemon absolutely blew my mind, I love gen 5
I feel like... The 4th and 5th gen are the Golden era of Pokemon, when they tried to do their Best with the games, when they put all their imagination and love, also you can see that in the next gens, all new regions, New villains, and New theming... But when Pokemon knew they only needed a competitive game and good animations... They sorta forgot what they loved in order to gain sweet sweet money, as you can see if you play Sw/Sh, theres no substance or love in the stories or in their map or in their postgame, Is just something you must do in order to unlock all competitive Gameplay... And its just sad :(
All i want to say is... I really want to go back that love they put on 5th gen... Its all... Dont look at me! Im not crying!
other words, they bowed down to the casual and smogon pokemon fanbases. Roleplayer pokemon fanbases are not valuable anymore.
I....disagree with game freak not putting substance or love to the story & other things part SWSH like wild area I think it's there maybe not so much & improved by the time crown tundra came out
@@maganhassan2627 yeah, most of the problems are timecrunch and gamefreak being elevated to a level of "importance" they never expected. If anything, GF probably want to get away from Pokémon, I'm pretty sure they're aware of how people see them as "the POKEMON Devs". That's one of the major reasons LTH exists, showing the crowd they can do more. It didn't work. Can't wait for GF to genuinely get lazy and people will start praising gen 8 and LTH for trying so hard despite those same people previously spamming videos where they import Colosseum middles into sword and shield and act like they're talented. In other words, like all games before it, SwSh will have a sudden surge of popularity. We're currently seeing that with Gen 5, and sudden praise of OrAs makes me think a gen 6 hype train is right around the corner, and I know it.
This is basically the most formulaic fanbase out there, and as such you can easily tell when something is about to be a trend. I'll just be sitting here and waiting for the next five or so years until people suddenly love sun and moon. Thx for listening to my insane rambles. I don't know how to end this.
NEBBY GET IN THE BAG
swsh had more meaningful story than you think, i felt bad fighting hop and defeating him, leon was the greatest champion since sinnoh
the wild area brought back the non linearity of the series, the dynamax mechanic was mega+3 turns of a Z move.
@@matthaisstupidus well, Gamefreak are elevated to above atlus, and stand on the hall of fame with Mario and zelda team. pokemon is a 90 billion franchise.
"Move over Meowth, we Purrloin Gang now."
I think pokemon has 3 distinct ears:
"Classic": gens 1 & 2
"2D": gens 3 - 5
And "3D": gens 6 - 8
So 9-10 are HD?
Do you mean "eras"?
Well said
AnD ONly ThE fiRsT TwO WeRE gOOD. AiNT i OrIGinAl.
Sorry it just annoys me seeing so many people act like this. Have your opinions but don't be a dong about it. Pls and thx- some random teenager on the internet who really should be sleeping right now.
@@matthaisstupidus what's your favorite gen and why?
I love the OG Reshiram Cry also the awakenings was awesome! :'v
Every time I hear the word “Reshiram” I think of JustinRPG.
no te hagas el que habla inglés gil
XD i speak 2 languages
The anime arguments make sense but unfortunately there’s like a whole section of gen5 anime where Dawn and Cynthia and I think Misty all came back and still very much exist
I think only Dawn and Cynthia came back, and Charizard of course.
Kross Cilan met Brock in a special episode and met Clemont in a XY special episode too
to me black & white's direction changed since team rocket vs team plasma ep got cancelled & by that time people hated BW maybe the writers felt bring back old characters will attract older fans back to pokemon anime
@@maganhassan2627 makes sense to me
The entire Best Wishes anime got screwed when the planned Team Rocket v.s. Team Plasma showdown had to be scrapped due to the earthquake and tsunami. All their plans had to be changed, and what they decided to do as a result turned out bad. And when Black 2 and White 2 came around they decided to just throw that content in without a second thought.
13:32 and team yell be like "protecc cute gurl"
*protect girl
@@SuperPlacido1 no, no. That's the joke.
team yell isn't the antagonist of swsh. chairman rose is.
They aren’t completely wrong though, protecting Marnie is kinda important imo
I always see people talking about how much they hate the idea of removing old pokemon because the connections have with them, and I feel they're missing the point. If I give you a choice between your old pokemon team with the exception of a new starter, or going and catching a new team and forming new connections, which would you choose? People complain about how repetitive pokemon can be but the get mad if it changes to much because it's not nostalgic. This was sort of a way to fix that, and I like that, it gives you similar choices that are still unique enough to stand out. That sense of nostalgia will be much better if you go play an old game after a new one, or with a remake, but let the new game be a new adventure to give you something new to be nostalgic about.
Second. Woah. How’s that steel cast form? Is he professors friend again?
I hope he's good again. Also I want know more about vibat
Asking the important questions.
@@an8strengthkobold360 the real questions
@@emperorarkoos2919
I want to know how they changed sudowoodo into a cell tower
@@utkuayranc3210 oh yeah I forgot bout that
"almola is just luvdisc, dunno why they needed to replace luvdisc but uh, here it is" truer words will never be spoken
"In gen 3 he's already showing experience"
Ash: iS thAt a wATer tYpe?
I've literally never heard that it was a reboot in my entire life, and gen 5 is my favorite gen
Which gen was the first you played?
@@Enigmatism415 gen 2
@@jacob9639 Playing gen 2 without having completed the story of gen 1 first is anticlimactic. They're definitely a pair.
@@Enigmatism415 I played it when I was like 6, I got my pokemon and then didn't know hoe to progress so I was just stuck on the first route, because I was dumb of course
@@Enigmatism415 Holy crap you're asking people who their first gen was to pull the "pffff it's your first game so of course you'll love it" card
With the Zekrom theory, Pikachu may have lost his “know how” if the electricity ciphoning induced a selective amnesia of sorts. Especially considering the correlation of electrical impulses with the nervous system.
The lack of any old Pokémon blew my mind at the time, in a good way. It was such a unique idea that hasn't been done since.
i cant help but feel that backlash on black and white was taken wrongly by gamefreak and might be the reason that they do some of the things they do now...
oh and same for super paper mario
lots of people loved and hated gen 5 and SPM
9:48 I just noticed that Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee, 2 Pokemon based on America's Boxing are living in Japan-based regions (Kanto/Johto/Hoenn/Sinnoh), while Sawk and Throh, 2 Pokemon based on Japan's Karate and Judo are living in New York-based Unova
I remember when the first image of Unova was published… it was probably in CoroCoro and people on forums were speculating if it is based on NYC or Shanghai.
I really wish they did the 'all new pokemon and no previous pokemon' again. It would be so cool.
Well we see him recycling his reboot theory (not that it's bad it's good hehe)
Ironic
If gen 5 was a soft reboot, then gen 8 was a hard reboot (jk)
Remember also that the different regional Pokemon companies didn't merge into Pokemon International until shortly after Platinum released. It's likely that they realized they had to turn to international and new, younger audiences to create a sustainable market. From henceforth Pokemon would be soft-rebooted every gen and would no longer be a Japanese game shared internationally, but an international game. Notice, that a lot of the "copies" of older pokemon that were yokai based, or the like, no longer are. It was a good starting point for them to learn how to integrate foreign culture into design, and they've done better and better since.
"new fur bait pkmn"
the roast
If all of Ash's previous adventurers were 1 episode a day, he would be having a life time of PTSD!
Also, Jessie and James would be practically hemorrhaging money from Team Rocket...
I loved Pokémon Black and White. It helped me get more into the series. I was planning on stopping with Diamond, Pearl and Platinum but when I stated to see all the new news on Black and White I was blown away. I felt they did a good job marketing despite its poor sales compared to other entries into the Pokémon franchise but still. I loved Black and White as well as Black 2 and White 2.
I can now point to this video whenever one of my friends complain that all of the gen 5 pokemon are just rip offs of gen 1 pokemon.
That was the point.
Being a ripoff isn't inherntly a bad thing.
Especially because they weren't literal copy pastes. A lot of the time it was similar but different, with different typings and the like. Writing this out, I realized that they are basically Unovan forms of gen 1 pokemon lol. Regional variations before they were a thing. Plus still other unique stuff.
Seeing how much Gamefreak experimented with this gen almost makes me sad. They did so much new stuff, tried to look through the lense of older players, and they got so much backlash for trying to branch out that they just decided to play it safe since then. And as a result, no Pokémon game after BW2 felt nearly as ambitious.
Another thing about the companion thing: The Unova companions are EXACTLY like the Kanto companions.
I know how to summon genfivers.
My favorite generation is 8.
That’s a pretty rudimentary summoning ritual. THIS is how you do it:
“Gen 8 has the most content and best plot of any Pokémon series! It’s also the most mature and challenging.”
Cool, gen 5 is sitll better tho
there you go
@@MineNAdventurer That's your opinion. Personally my favorite is 8.
I have been summoned! Black and White are the best games in the series, how dare you say otherwise! Eh, just kidding. Actually Gen 8 has a lot of cool Galarian forms of Gen 5 Pokemon so I liked it.
10:00 The funny thing about this is that in Masters, Meowth of Team Rocket has a crush on a purrloin lol
“Sometimes they failed at the ‘but better’ part” hard disagree there Lockstin, I vastly prefer most of the gen 5 counterparts.
Yeah, seriously. He said that with Magneton over Klinklang of all comparisons...
I mean...I vastly prefer most of the gen 5's too...except for GARBODOR. Like...eww...please no trashbag pokemon thanks.
@@kiradeki3561 so muk is better? Slime with face?
Trubbish and Garbodor I prefer over Muk and Grimer
Trubbish is adorable in a weird way
We are talking personal preference, and honestly I do think there are winners and losers in both camps. Dugtrio, Dodrio and Magneton sadly I think lack originality, though Magneton sorta works. However, as an example, Electrode and Amoongus as minics both have their perks from a visual standpoint- the issue is that Amoongus is actually good enough to be an inconvenience to run into, while Electrodes kind of a joke.
Ill have to say overall both sets are amazing, and while some arguments, like human clothing on Sawk and Throh, wild fighting "creatures" being offputting, or Timburrs line, especially Conkeldurr, being nightmare fuel has some weight behind it, the same could be said for say Hypno being, while accurate to mythology, an absolute nightmare of a tapir compared to Musharna. But some find Drowsee and Hypno alluring, and even their favorites, and same can be said of Sawk or Conkeldurr.
For me, the major thing with Pokemon is they should look like monsters and animals. Its why I like Primape and Boufallant as Pokemon, but not Duraludon. Primape, while not my favorite, looks like an animal, albeit one that wants to rip your face off. Duraludon is supposed to look like a specific skyscraper, and that doesnt lend itself to looking like a naturally occurring creature, or even a manmade one like Magnemite, Porygon or Klink in any way, shape or form.
While we may not like all Pokemon gen 1-7, we can at least agree that most or all look like animals, which they should, while some of the new ones dont as much. And according to Gamefreak, they are trying to make non-Pokemon looking Pokemon, which is why in Galar they look so unnatural in general. I have to give it to Kalos and Alola for this- at least they did a pretty good job maintaining the look of most of them being animals, even if art direction displeased some.
Edit: Its not that the designs are bad designs, but many are either monster or character designs, not animal designs. And thats a problem for Pokemon moreso than other game series.
I definitely think BW was a soft reboot. Mostly because I remember when leaks and news came out about the game, I saw tons of backlash. I remember distinctly watching some youtube video criticizing the designs of all the new Pokemon, and many getting concerned about how there were ONLY new Pokemon available. A lot of people don't like change, and unfortunately I think when you do a reboot, you're at a huge risk of receiving some hate. And I think after Gen 5, Gamefreak saw what happened. And decided to be relatively safe with Gen 6, making sure they brought back all our favorite Pokemon. I remember when Gen 6 came out, it was mostly praise despite later criticisms about plot and characters. Gen 6, in a way, was retconning the reboot. And was designed to just appease fans. This isn't just with the games, but in the anime. Like in the XY anime, Ash is suddenly back to being a competent and experienced trainer, like he was in Gen 4.
But I honestly think its interesting that while Gen 5 was mostly met with hate at the beginning of its launch, I've noticed its gotten more love over the years. While Gen 6 has now been regarded as just okay. I guess it just goes to show that we as Pokemon fans shouldn't make any quick judgements. Because, unfortunately, I'm not sure we will get another game like BW.
Gen 5 was the only gen I was able to play so this is by far my favorite gen
I just think the decision to 'scrap' all pokemon from previous gens and only allow you to meet the new gen was great. In the first place because it was getting more and more ridiculous to have to cram in all 400 old pokemon and then place in some new ones as well. In the second place because I personally am interested in new pokemon games for the new pokemons, so give me the new mons and not all the ones I already know.
No I didn't like ALL pokemon in B/W. But neither did I in all the other gens, and B/W had a lot more likeable pokemon than D/P/P.
Dude them pokemons of gen 5 are so loveable like gen 2.
this statement would've made sense if they made the ones that show up have more personality via better or new animation styles but no, Gamefreak either gave up or got lazy and decided to reuse the same EXACT idle animations and attacks. They even didn't bother to make sure moves and animation makes sense together (the best example being Dubwool performing a Double Kick with a bouncing animation and performing a Headbutt with a kick. Pretty sure there are many other similar situations but this is the one I remember)
@@inoob26 Do you mean to say that improved battle animations would have made the pokemon from gen 5 look good and the dexcut a good idea, but since B/W didn't have better animations gen 5 had no character and the dexcut was an unfun mechanic?
I think you're right that Pokémon was 'soft rebooted' with Black and White.
As always, wonderful video!
Black and White are my favorite gens for the sole reason the main roster pokemon were all brand new. It captured the original intrigue and unknown of the first generation, which was my first game as a child.
So being able to have that feeling all over again when I was much older was amazing and refreshing.
"It's hard to go wrong with it."
SwSh to Critics: bruh
Swsh is awesome it’s wholesome and unique
@@madnessarcade7447 yeah. I know the graphics are sorta bad, but I really don't mind. I LOVE the new mons. The starters are great, the legendarys are great, and even the national bird is somewhat useful! (I know, Talonflame is pretty decent, but steel/flying? That's really really good!)
@@EmmyBlubonic Its just a buffed up Skarmory with the ability to make it Gmax.
@@alucard8433 eh, whatever
@@madnessarcade7447 yap bro
When I was little, one of the first Pokémon episodes I watched was in Pokémon Black and White. And I still love Pokémon.
I can’t lie, Gen 5 Sorta had a reboot feeling...
"How fresh and new would a setting feel if you really didn't see even a single Pokemon you already knew"
and invite another champion to the game
yeah, good one
Ya forgot to take into account that Cynthia is reachable only AFTER beating the main game, which is also when you can find previous gen Pokemon. A reward for beating this new challenge and experience.
Cynthia is an endgame boss. You can't encounter her after beating N.
"The [Steaks] are literally stuck to the ceiling!"
I'm dying XD
I think Gen 5 was a soft reboot, but it would be more accurate to say it had a drastic thematic and atmospheric change, a theme of its own, in which:
Gen 1-4: A sense of "ultimateness", as you put it
Gen 5: A sense of maturity and growth
Gen 6 onwards: A sense of commercialism and nostalgia-bating (or if u don't like the sound of that, a sense of flashiness/vibrancy)
In my opinion I always felt as though 5th gen should have been the ending point, First generation was the original. Second generation was an extension of the first. Third generation was a whole new experience. And fourth GEN was the Ultimate ending to the story. Fifth generation felt like ending homage to the beginnings. It felt as though the story you have concluded.
As a person whose first main Pokémon game was Pokémon X and Y, I never played the past five games. I have been meaning to play them one day, but for now, they will have to wait. Which means that I dont have much knowledge about the past villains and story in those games.
Hearing that they made all these new Pokémon and improved on the story just sounds amazing to me! Knowing that you won't be able to use the same type of from older generations until you completed the main story sounds like a fun challenge. I always try to use different and new Pokémon for every play through, but knowing you have even more options to choose from is just amazing. As a shiny hunter, it sounds even more amazing and I really wish that Game Freak kept doing that.
I don't really like how people uses game mechanics to describe the anime, to say that a level 5 snivy beat Ash'es pikachu who must be atleast level 90, is like saying that you as a person must be level 30 because you finished your education and can't be beaten in a fight by someone uneducated. Now is black and white a soft reboot? In my eyes not really, it's simply another continent with a different flora and fauna. I never really got the hatred for some pokemon for looking like other even if only it's by a different color such as plusle and minun or basculin. Our world is filled with animals that are in the same family with minor differences, and bringing that concept to pokemon is actually something i like since it shows how these creatures adapts to their enviroment in different places, Alola did this aswell (and was better recieved for it) but Unova was the region that truly started to show the diversity of the pokemon world by having pokemon that were similer to older pokemon.
Well that's my take on it but i also enjoy nature and evolution to a larger degree than others i suppose.
interesting
Not gonna lie, I kinda want to see an alternate reality version of the Black and White Pokémon anime, where Ash wasn’t retconned into being an inexperienced, brand new trainer, and was instead the kid who battled gods with his Pokémon and held his own, attended multiple Pokémon championship leagues, and constantly won battles where the odds were stacked against him (barring championship matches) for the sole reason of witnessing the Lvl. 5 Snivy get obliterated by a Volt Tackle right out the damn gate.
Ah yes, the scariest thing to talk about on Halloween....REBOOTS!
It’s been 7 years and I never noticed this. Gen 4 & 5 are my favorite gen
I think the reason Pokémon’s sales dwindled so much is because back in gen 1, well, as you said...Pokémon fever was at an all-time high. It was something brand new. EVERYONE was a part of the craze. Nowadays it’s really just older fans that keep buying the games, because kids nowadays are trying their best to look “mature” and don’t want to play “baby games” like Pokémon.
I get so confused when people rage over not having older pokemon in games like it makes sense that different parts of the world would have different pokemon the same way our world has animals that only live in certain places
“Level 5 Snivy” “Level 90 Pikachu”
Sorry, but “Levels” don’t exist in the anime. And certainly not to the exact same standards as the video games. This is a clear misconception a large number of fans seem to believe is true.
Also that "level 5" snivy knew leaf tornado..snivy doesn't get that move until 16 or 17. The snivy might've been preowned
At the absolute least Pidgey does have levels in the anime. It's talked out in one of the early episodes of the anime. I just think that in the anime Pokemon has souls a.k.a. fighting spirit and can overlook levels by sheer willpower
@@jeremymitchem327 that was mainly to promote the games, and a reminder that levels are BS, just like in DB.
@@RedDragonForce2 but it's canonical. Just like it's canonical you can train Pokemon to ignore weaknesses or bypass resistances. Like you can 100% argue they make little sense but you just gotta accept it's actually a thing OR we can get wild and assume that only the Pidgey line levels up and every other pokemon doesn't.
@@jeremymitchem327 just like it’s canonical that Ash and Pikachu are referenced in the Alola games.
The point is, don’t equate everything to numbers. And coming from me, who grew up better at Math than most of my classmates, that’s saying something.
What I wanted was for you to talk about pokemon considered "copies" or reused concepts in gen 5
People legitimately forget that buffalo aren't bulls and compare buffoulant and Tauros all the time
I absolutely love Gen 5!
That's why I'm really bothered by the fact that on Gen 6 we did not get a Gen 2 kinda reboot, you know, with a pre evolution for Throh and Sawk and a new evolution for it, for example.
One thing I thought about when it came to Diamond & Pearl and Black & White’s numbers was piracy. D&P had over 5 million pirated copies made, which says the appeal of the games, despite playing not wanting to fork out for it, and how the DS was easy to exploit for piracy.
I do remember friends doing the same with Black & White, despite Nintendo trying to lock down on it. So it does make me wonder how much enjoyment players got out of those games due to the piracy of them.
Ok but i have always been curious about this scene 3:32 and this scene 3:58. Did they acknowledge this fact in the original dub (jpn) or is it just a english dub change thing?
Lockstin: Ash is noticably more experienced in the first episode of the gen 3 anime
Also Lockstin: *Plays the clip of Ash calling Treecko a water type*
Lockstin: *mentions type advantage*
Me: *gets Hop flashbacks*
Honestly the way they made Gen 5 really got me back into the series. That, and the fact that when gen 4 came out, I didn't get to have a DS for many many years, and no emulator did the job back then, but then during the BW-era my brothers got me the stuff. But as you said, what makes Unova so loved by some is bad in other people's eyes. I personally think... Unova is NEAT!