There was an advertisement ( trailer ) that appeared on Facebook for some time that featured Catherine arriving in Spain, where she announces she is going to siesta… can you show that one?
There's only one thing I don't understand. They made such a fuss at her wanting to marry Henry because she was his brother's widow, yet they seemed ok with proposing that Catherine marries Henry VII, Arthur's FATHER.
I understand you. I really do. But I guess it was only a matter of politics and time (the son henry viii was a king to be at that time so any alliance would be long term and must be thought it through). The father henry Vii was old and any marriage/alliance would surely be short term (plus he already got heirs). Katherine at that point was not that much of an atractive candidate for a queen.. SO they pushed the dad to her more to align their interest in keeping henry viii free. The fuss over marrying a realtive to Arthur was only an excuse to keep her away from the son... IMO That was what I felt while watching the show.
That's what we call an incoherence. Historically, Henry VII did want to keep Catherine and her dowry, especially because She and his son "hadn't" consumed the wedding. He asked her parents if they were ok if she married him or his heir, the future Henry VIII. Although the Catholic Kings wanted their daughter to be Queen of England, they found Henry VII too old for her and the match not interesting enough (at Henry's death, the throne would have passed to a son of his previous marriage, so she would have barely be a dowager queen, so Spanish interests in England wouldn't have lasted very long, especially because Henry VII was old). But Prince Henry was 10 at the time and, also he was still young, it was a better match: Catherine would have been queen and mother of a king of England, plus her husband and her were six years apart and, as the eldest, she could have been a good influence. The negociations for the second wedding were quite long because of the different journeys between England, Rome (to earn a papal license) and Spain (Isabel of Castilla and Henry VII died meanwhile) but the wedding happened. Here, they decided to add this stupid plot with Margaret Beaufort and to make all this fuss with the fact that this wedding may be sinful and whatnot. They were so bad at plot writing that they became flimsy with their OWN story by adding all this stuff with Margaret and Catherine. THAT WAS SO FUCKIN STUPID ! And that's some people like you don't understand why it's not ok for her to marry her dead husband's brother but not with the father !!!!!
Margaret Beaufort has the role of "villainess" in these stories since The White Queen era... Reading her book (The Red Queen) made me dislike her even more: since childhood she believed she was "special", destined to greatness and sainthood... When reality slapped her in the face she deluded herself that her son was destined to be king by God will, when there a lot more heirs even in her side... When Henry became King she got worse since "God was by her side", also was the worst mother-in-law possible for Elizabeth of York. To me the worse is that we share the birthday date... >_>
Finally made it to season 2 episode 2. I can't believe Philippa Gregory approved a lot that's been happening in the series. I literally just watched her get taken from her horse and physically fight two men with a third coming at her while pregnant. No one told me this was basically a fantasy with bits and pieces thrown in from the book. I feel like my intelligence has been slapped upside my head with her physically battling these grown men.
Gregory heavily implies that Anne Boleyn had an incestuous relationship with her brother, so I don’t know why you’re expecting anything resembling reality from her.
I find it funny. Catherine claims during her testament that Margaret Beaufort was there on their wedding night and she told them both Catherine and Arthur not to consummate until there are old enough. It seemed logical because Margaret was 12 or 13 when she gave birth to Henry and never had any other children again because her body was not developed enough to mature its growth before babies come. She was regent until lucky for her only grandson Henry was turned 17 before her death. Maybe Margaret did have her suspicious that Catherine was up to something. Though, Margaret was the only defender for the Tudor which cripple them until her great grand daughter Elizabeth I had surpassed what she could have dreamed of. A real woman who made England strong and unified as she did.
So many things wrong with this show. The fact that Katherine speaks better English than half the cast is one of them. She actually struggled to learn English for most of her early life and only became capable in writing and speaking it years into her marriage with Henry.
@@Saliha366 not really seeing as it wouldn't have been the first time in history that something like that happened. Not to mention her parents asked if she wanted to return to spain and in 1508 she almost did. Also Her sister in law Margaret of austria when back to the holy roman empire in 1500 after the death of catherine's brother juan remarrying a few years later. Edit: spelling
I’m really confused why they showed a scene of them consummating their marriage when in real life that never actually happened, and then claims that it’s based off history. Was it for the drama? Throughout this show I’ve had mixed feelings about Catherine.
FizzyDizzy Studios No one can say for certain whether or not the consummation actually happened. For a long time most people believed Katherine when she said they didn’t sleep together. But more recently opinions are changing. For example, the belief that Arthur was sickly was due to a mistranslation during the Victorian era. In reality, he was a fit, healthy young man felled by a sudden illness. That being, there would be no reason for them NOT to have consummated their marriage. They were married & of age.
@@Blueridge4000 Historically Margaret was nothing like how she's portrayed in the series. While she she could be difficult and a little overbearing at times she was also quite caring and considerate, and had nothing but fondness for Lizzie and Catherine. She even provided financial support for Lizzie's sister when she married a knight without her family's knowledge or consent. There's also no evidence that Margaret had anything to do with The Princes's disappearance.
The real Margaret Beaufort was nothing at all that. She was very caring and charitable and had nothing but fondness for Elizabeth and Catherine. Gregory's depiction of her is just shameful.
Margaret Beautford was never regent. Katherine would never had admitted to "committing certain acts for our pleasure" regardless of their truth to her MIL like that. NEVER. Also, if her marriage to Arthur was never consumated (it was, both on this show & historically), she would NOT be Dowager Princess of Wales. Utterly disgusting how the producers of this show pervert the truth.
Margaret actually was regent, just not at this time. She was regent a few months before her death when Henry VIII had just come to the thrown but was still 17. There is no way to know for sure if Catherines first marriage was consummated. She swore it wasn't and was deeply religious and given the time that's not to be taken lightly. Any "evidence" against her could have been doctored or created by Wolsey during the legatine court. Catherine would be entitled to Dowager Princess even if the marriage wasn't consummated. She would be entitled to this as that is the title she was known as for 7 years after stating the marriage wasn't consummated.
Being a dowager has nothing to do with a marriage's consummation. They were married. Arthur died. She became a widow and dowager. She now held the title and property her deceased husband previously held including the dowry that she brought with her marriage. All of which is collectively known as dower. She was a dower holder. Hence, dowager.
Ivan Reyes If the marriage wasn’t consummated then it wasn’t a real marriage. If it wasn’t a real marriage then she had no right to the title of dowager princess of Wales, or anything that came with it.
I think she waited until she knew she wasn't pregnant to play the Virgin card. She was ambitious, a liar, a manipulator and she seduced a young boy that wasn't even a teenager yet to get what she wanted. People make it sound like she had no other choices and she was so nice. She could have returned to Spain and made another marriage or accepted the role of widowed princess of Wales. That wasn't good enough for her.
Pamela evm I mean, I don’t think she was some evil & vicious harridan (and she absolutely did not seduce Henry; when would they have ever actually been alone to do that?) but I do think she should have returned to Spain. She already married one brother. Why should she get both?
*This stupid TV series should leave Catherine's legacy alone. Why are they calling Catherine liar? This poor woman told in front of God in court that she was a virgin when she married Henry. She would not lie in front God. If this Philipa Gregory's doing SHAME ON HER.*
She may not have been a liar but she didn't fulfill her main role: give a male heir to Henry. So she was repudiated as a lot of other queens have been.
The English wanted her dowry, so they tried to marry her to Henry VII, in order to keep Henry VIII's hand free for marriage, but Ferdinand was opposed to that. But after Isabella died and Juana the Mad became Queen, the English were reluctant to let Catherine and Henry VIII marry, as Ferdinand was delaying paying her dowry, and Spain wasn't as powerful anymore. And Henry VIII actually rejected the proposal when he turned 14, and Ferdinand made Catherine the ambassador to England, so she can stay back and try to get the marriage alliance back on track. She was basically a prisoner in England at this point, and didn't even have enough money to support herself and her staff. Henry VIII and Catherine only wed after he became King, and that was because he was in love with her at this point, and she was quite possibly already pregnant with his child, who was unfortunately stillborn.
No! Margaret Beaufort is widely reported to have been generous and charitable. After queen's sister Cecily married a commoner, she spoke out in her favour and facilitated a reconciliation between her and the royal family. She did have some influence over Henry and did plot to help him get on the throne, but that's all that is even close to truth in this portrayal of her.
Fuck ur feelings it’s for ratings,just like w so called “reality shows” the bachelor and bachelorette are really good with doing this that’s why I don’t watch them. If seen moms cry cause her son did t end up w a curtain girl and a bachelorette crying when she felt she had to let a guy go😒all for ratings😒
@@tinahuttner7280 This show is actually based on a book from author notorious for getting stuff wrong or warping history. And she is very biased towards Yorks and against Tudors, especially towards Margaret Beaufort, but also against Henry VII. (in The White Princess, she has him rape his future wife and force her family to marry her off to him, when Elizabeth Woodwille was 100% okay with the marriage).
It would have benefited the show to stick to the novel. I believe that Catherine of Aragon was wronged in her lifetime and at least deserved a much more truthful depiction of her early life in England. The novel is closer to reality that the show.
I hate it when people lie about something this important just to make a show more interesting. It's pretty pathetic, and not fair to those whose names are dragged through the mud.
es chistoso como en la seria desprecian a catalina como si fuese desechable y no elegible para el principe, cuando en la realidad a ella literalmente la mantuvieron cautiva porque sabian que el dineor de su dote no lo podrían regresar porque ya se lo habian gastado y la cforona inglesa era decadente frente a la española, a ellos les convenia forzar a los reyes de españa a aceptar el matrimonio entre el niño henry y catalina.
Comment other scenes from either this show or other shows you wanna see.
Can you pleaseee do Fra Fee's scenes from this series?
This show, i wanted the scene that Henry ask for Catherine don't come back to Spain and marry him
Love that scene😍❤️
There was an advertisement ( trailer ) that appeared on Facebook for some time that featured Catherine arriving in Spain, where she announces she is going to siesta… can you show that one?
There's only one thing I don't understand. They made such a fuss at her wanting to marry Henry because she was his brother's widow, yet they seemed ok with proposing that Catherine marries Henry VII, Arthur's FATHER.
well he is the king so i guess no one can really say no to him
I understand you. I really do. But I guess it was only a matter of politics and time (the son henry viii was a king to be at that time so any alliance would be long term and must be thought it through). The father henry Vii was old and any marriage/alliance would surely be short term (plus he already got heirs). Katherine at that point was not that much of an atractive candidate for a queen.. SO they pushed the dad to her more to align their interest in keeping henry viii free. The fuss over marrying a realtive to Arthur was only an excuse to keep her away from the son... IMO That was what I felt while watching the show.
That's what we call an incoherence. Historically, Henry VII did want to keep Catherine and her dowry, especially because She and his son "hadn't" consumed the wedding. He asked her parents if they were ok if she married him or his heir, the future Henry VIII. Although the Catholic Kings wanted their daughter to be Queen of England, they found Henry VII too old for her and the match not interesting enough (at Henry's death, the throne would have passed to a son of his previous marriage, so she would have barely be a dowager queen, so Spanish interests in England wouldn't have lasted very long, especially because Henry VII was old). But Prince Henry was 10 at the time and, also he was still young, it was a better match: Catherine would have been queen and mother of a king of England, plus her husband and her were six years apart and, as the eldest, she could have been a good influence. The negociations for the second wedding were quite long because of the different journeys between England, Rome (to earn a papal license) and Spain (Isabel of Castilla and Henry VII died meanwhile) but the wedding happened.
Here, they decided to add this stupid plot with Margaret Beaufort and to make all this fuss with the fact that this wedding may be sinful and whatnot. They were so bad at plot writing that they became flimsy with their OWN story by adding all this stuff with Margaret and Catherine. THAT WAS SO FUCKIN STUPID ! And that's some people like you don't understand why it's not ok for her to marry her dead husband's brother but not with the father !!!!!
Margaret Beaufort has the role of "villainess" in these stories since The White Queen era...
Reading her book (The Red Queen) made me dislike her even more: since childhood she believed she was "special", destined to greatness and sainthood...
When reality slapped her in the face she deluded herself that her son was destined to be king by God will, when there a lot more heirs even in her side...
When Henry became King she got worse since "God was by her side", also was the worst mother-in-law possible for Elizabeth of York.
To me the worse is that we share the birthday date... >_>
@@Rea_no_Kuni indeed she is the villain of the story, but being the main antagonist doesn't justify being incoherent
Finally made it to season 2 episode 2. I can't believe Philippa Gregory approved a lot that's been happening in the series. I literally just watched her get taken from her horse and physically fight two men with a third coming at her while pregnant. No one told me this was basically a fantasy with bits and pieces thrown in from the book. I feel like my intelligence has been slapped upside my head with her physically battling these grown men.
Gregory heavily implies that Anne Boleyn had an incestuous relationship with her brother, so I don’t know why you’re expecting anything resembling reality from her.
I find it funny. Catherine claims during her testament that Margaret Beaufort was there on their wedding night and she told them both Catherine and Arthur not to consummate until there are old enough. It seemed logical because Margaret was 12 or 13 when she gave birth to Henry and never had any other children again because her body was not developed enough to mature its growth before babies come.
She was regent until lucky for her only grandson Henry was turned 17 before her death. Maybe Margaret did have her suspicious that Catherine was up to something. Though, Margaret was the only defender for the Tudor which cripple them until her great grand daughter Elizabeth I had surpassed what she could have dreamed of. A real woman who made England strong and unified as she did.
Catherine and Lina are so lovely ugh ❤
So many things wrong with this show. The fact that Katherine speaks better English than half the cast is one of them. She actually struggled to learn English for most of her early life and only became capable in writing and speaking it years into her marriage with Henry.
the raceswap too i guess the clothes....
The more I watch the show the more I'm becoming convinced that Margaret Beaufort should be the real protagonist
The things she went through could be unimaginable for such a young woman when she had Henry. She had a terrible time during the Wars of the Roses.
@@growingstrong1009 + she was only thirteen when she give birth
If they make an entire series on the wars of the Rose's she would definitely be one of the central characters.
@@pbh9195 They did though. The White Queen and the White Princess.
@@77Amnita Yes but it's far from accurate and the way Gregory portrays her is just shameful.
Bro this is the most awkward scene ever, lying about what happened in your bed to ensure your survival!
She just would've been sent back to spain and remarried off or entered a convent
@@josefafalkner8329 But then she would be cast away and shamed by her family...
@@Saliha366 not really seeing as it wouldn't have been the first time in history that something like that happened. Not to mention her parents asked if she wanted to return to spain and in 1508 she almost did. Also Her sister in law Margaret of austria when back to the holy roman empire in 1500 after the death of catherine's brother juan remarrying a few years later.
Edit: spelling
I’m really confused why they showed a scene of them consummating their marriage when in real life that never actually happened, and then claims that it’s based off history. Was it for the drama? Throughout this show I’ve had mixed feelings about Catherine.
FizzyDizzy Studios No one can say for certain whether or not the consummation actually happened. For a long time most people believed Katherine when she said they didn’t sleep together. But more recently opinions are changing. For example, the belief that Arthur was sickly was due to a mistranslation during the Victorian era. In reality, he was a fit, healthy young man felled by a sudden illness. That being, there would be no reason for them NOT to have consummated their marriage. They were married & of age.
Margaret Beafort was a true queen whithout a crown.
Fuck Margaret she was a crook!
@@Blueridge4000 Historically Margaret was nothing like how she's portrayed in the series. While she she could be difficult and a little overbearing at times she was also quite caring and considerate, and had nothing but fondness for Lizzie and Catherine. She even provided financial support for Lizzie's sister when she married a knight without her family's knowledge or consent. There's also no evidence that Margaret had anything to do with The Princes's disappearance.
that grandma witch that ended crazy, it´s done with Henry.
She won´t be able to manipulate him like she was used to do with his father.
The real Margaret Beaufort was nothing at all that. She was very caring and charitable and had nothing but fondness for Elizabeth and Catherine. Gregory's depiction of her is just shameful.
Margaret Beautford was never regent.
Katherine would never had admitted to "committing certain acts for our pleasure" regardless of their truth to her MIL like that. NEVER.
Also, if her marriage to Arthur was never consumated (it was, both on this show & historically), she would NOT be Dowager Princess of Wales.
Utterly disgusting how the producers of this show pervert the truth.
Philipa Gregory's writing is more to blame for that.
Margaret actually was regent, just not at this time. She was regent a few months before her death when Henry VIII had just come to the thrown but was still 17.
There is no way to know for sure if Catherines first marriage was consummated. She swore it wasn't and was deeply religious and given the time that's not to be taken lightly. Any "evidence" against her could have been doctored or created by Wolsey during the legatine court.
Catherine would be entitled to Dowager Princess even if the marriage wasn't consummated. She would be entitled to this as that is the title she was known as for 7 years after stating the marriage wasn't consummated.
Actually, we have evidence that their marriage was not consummated.
She was dowager princess of wales when Henry VIII divorced her
But yeah that just do whatever they want when it comes to shows about Henry VIII
Margaret is actually funny asf she was so jealous of Catherine
You can’t be dowager princess of Wales if you never slept with Arthur, Katherine. She is SO unconvincing.
They were married
Being a dowager has nothing to do with a marriage's consummation. They were married. Arthur died. She became a widow and dowager. She now held the title and property her deceased husband previously held including the dowry that she brought with her marriage. All of which is collectively known as dower. She was a dower holder. Hence, dowager.
Ivan Reyes If the marriage wasn’t consummated then it wasn’t a real marriage. If it wasn’t a real marriage then she had no right to the title of dowager princess of Wales, or anything that came with it.
I think she waited until she knew she wasn't pregnant to play the Virgin card. She was ambitious, a liar, a manipulator and she seduced a young boy that wasn't even a teenager yet to get what she wanted. People make it sound like she had no other choices and she was so nice. She could have returned to Spain and made another marriage or accepted the role of widowed princess of Wales. That wasn't good enough for her.
Pamela evm I mean, I don’t think she was some evil & vicious harridan (and she absolutely did not seduce Henry; when would they have ever actually been alone to do that?) but I do think she should have returned to Spain. She already married one brother. Why should she get both?
*This stupid TV series should leave Catherine's legacy alone. Why are they calling Catherine liar? This poor woman told in front of God in court that she was a virgin when she married Henry. She would not lie in front God. If this Philipa Gregory's doing SHAME ON HER.*
Oh if you watched the other Boleyn girl my god!!!
She may not have been a liar but she didn't fulfill her main role: give a male heir to Henry. So she was repudiated as a lot of other queens have been.
@Gay Lọ This wasn't know at the time. So in Henry and his peole's eyes, the fault was hers.
Gregory doesn't do anyone in her novels justice.
@@patriciabrenner9216 That was hardly her fault.
None of this ever happened -- first of all Henry VII was in total control -- he never let Margaret take over.
The English really wanted her dowry that’s the only reason she had married Henry
The English wanted her dowry, so they tried to marry her to Henry VII, in order to keep Henry VIII's hand free for marriage, but Ferdinand was opposed to that. But after Isabella died and Juana the Mad became Queen, the English were reluctant to let Catherine and Henry VIII marry, as Ferdinand was delaying paying her dowry, and Spain wasn't as powerful anymore. And Henry VIII actually rejected the proposal when he turned 14, and Ferdinand made Catherine the ambassador to England, so she can stay back and try to get the marriage alliance back on track. She was basically a prisoner in England at this point, and didn't even have enough money to support herself and her staff. Henry VIII and Catherine only wed after he became King, and that was because he was in love with her at this point, and she was quite possibly already pregnant with his child, who was unfortunately stillborn.
She is a very determined woman and she would be not be disrespected
I wonder if Henry's mother was really such a witch.
No! Margaret Beaufort is widely reported to have been generous and charitable. After queen's sister Cecily married a commoner, she spoke out in her favour and facilitated a reconciliation between her and the royal family. She did have some influence over Henry and did plot to help him get on the throne, but that's all that is even close to truth in this portrayal of her.
@@tereziamarkova2822I hate when they make people out to be demons when they aren't, thanks.
Was wondering the same cause a lot of networks will dramatize storylines for ratings,just like w “reality shows”.
Fuck ur feelings it’s for ratings,just like w so called “reality shows” the bachelor and bachelorette are really good with doing this that’s why I don’t watch them. If seen moms cry cause her son did t end up w a curtain girl and a bachelorette crying when she felt she had to let a guy go😒all for ratings😒
@@tinahuttner7280 This show is actually based on a book from author notorious for getting stuff wrong or warping history. And she is very biased towards Yorks and against Tudors, especially towards Margaret Beaufort, but also against Henry VII. (in The White Princess, she has him rape his future wife and force her family to marry her off to him, when Elizabeth Woodwille was 100% okay with the marriage).
It would have benefited the show to stick to the novel. I believe that Catherine of Aragon was wronged in her lifetime and at least deserved a much more truthful depiction of her early life in England. The novel is closer to reality that the show.
Well yes and no. Gregory takes a lot of creative liberties for the sake of storytelling.
I hate it when people lie about something this important just to make a show more interesting. It's pretty pathetic, and not fair to those whose names are dragged through the mud.
Ma quando esce in Italia?
Virginity is cool catherine of Aragon remain pure
MARGARET Beaufort seems like a cruel woman
This show is really biased and inaccurate in the depiction of her
This show is really biased and inaccurate in the depiction of her
This is not an accurate depiction of Margeret Beaufort.
You'll find a more accurate depiction of her in the 1972 Miniseries 'The Shadow of the Tower'.
es chistoso como en la seria desprecian a catalina como si fuese desechable y no elegible para el principe, cuando en la realidad a ella literalmente la mantuvieron cautiva porque sabian que el dineor de su dote no lo podrían regresar porque ya se lo habian gastado y la cforona inglesa era decadente frente a la española, a ellos les convenia forzar a los reyes de españa a aceptar el matrimonio entre el niño henry y catalina.
Per favore in italiano
It's was considered a sin to engage in physical pleasure with one's lawful husband without first consummating the marriage?
They should’ve gave her the gable hood she wore in her portrait, not this anachronistic French hood. They became fashionable decades later.