Maria Antonia becomes Marie Antoinette (Maria Theresia s03e01)

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  • @cringecat3614
    @cringecat3614 17 днів тому +29

    0:52 I just love the exchange of gazes between Francis and Marie Therese 😂 Francis was like: are you serious?

  • @sqseq1237
    @sqseq1237 2 місяці тому +341

    Marie Antoinette was actually betrothed to Louis Auguste in 1768. The girl playing her looks between 12 and 14 years old. Francis Stephen was already dead in 1765, when Maria was 9. The aging is not historically accurate.

    • @carmelgraham-williams1338
      @carmelgraham-williams1338 2 місяці тому +24

      Plus her beloved dog was a Pug

    • @astrofabio68
      @astrofabio68 2 місяці тому +10

      any historical series is 100% acurate...

    • @tristenurl9617
      @tristenurl9617 Місяць тому

      ok nerd

    • @msi6954
      @msi6954 22 дні тому +1

      Tout à fait véridique 😊

    • @danielda4471
      @danielda4471 2 дні тому +1

      not to mention that if marie antoinette had had such a preparation/behaviour already in austria she would have had no problem in adapting to versailles, where even with grace, she was seen as not being very french, lacking the flair, sophistication and wit of the french court, eating nothing but chicken, and barely dabbling in french. not to mention the very simple costumes in the intimacy of the viennese court, marie Therese detested excesses in fashion and dress.

  • @madamesatan5761
    @madamesatan5761 2 місяці тому +338

    It's always the consort that gets the love or hate. Catherine of Aragon was loved in England that even Queen of Mary of Teck ordered a renovation of her tomb. Marie Antoinette on the other hand received all the hate when in fact it was his husband and his advisors that should be blamed. The French people also paid because of trust issues, they ended up killing one another and it took so long before Napoleon came to the scene.

    • @johnfaustus9404
      @johnfaustus9404 2 місяці тому +12

      If Catherine had been the Catholic Consort to an English King only a generation later she would have been as despised as Henrietta Maria, and as Marie Antoinette was for being an ardent and unreformed royal absolutist in addition to being a profligate at a time of bankruptcy, privation, and revolutionary radicalism. What killed her, however, was the same thing that arguably killed King Charles I, Henrietta's husband. He invited Scotland to invade England, an incomparably horrific betrayal of his people, and Marie Antoinette wrote to Austria Hungary requesting an foreign invasion to violently put down the revolution and reinstate the Bourbons to power. Would that either Marie Antoinette, her husband, or Charles I for that matter had been less pig-headed and had any notion of what misery and discontent they had unleashed on their subjects, they would have acquiesced to the moderate reformer factions, rather than vindicate the radicals and plunge their countries into the abyss. While she was not solely responsible for her husband's mistakes, she unequivocally supported his follies and signed her own death warrant.

    • @blitcut9712
      @blitcut9712 2 місяці тому +24

      Marie Antoinette does deserve some the blame imho. While her (admittedly extravagant) spending was not really a problem she was a staunch conservative who worked to oppose much needed reform. She would later try to create an alliance of various European powers in order to have them invade France and restore the absolute monarchy as well, so there were legitimate reasons for the revolutionaries to be upset with her.

    • @QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht
      @QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht 2 місяці тому +7

      @@johnfaustus9404 Why would Catherine be despised then? Henry VII was a Catholic and so are Catherine's parents who are better known as The Catholic Monarchs and that seals the deal between the alliance of their kingdoms. If Catherine lived at the time of Henrietta Maria, Ferdinand and Isabella would never ever offer their daughter as a wife to a protestant kingdom.

    • @QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht
      @QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht 2 місяці тому

      @@blitcut9712 So easy to blame a young naive woman for everything isn't it? Only 14 when she arrived, hated because she was Austrian, spied on , manipulated and extremely lonely. Before Marie and Louis inherited the throne the kingdom already began to deplete thanks King Louis XIV, Louis XV, Marquise de Pompadour, Countess Du Barry and hundred of incapable statesmen, greedy antiquated clergy and stupid self-serving aristocrats who contributed to the French Revolution. Yeah, Marie also played a part in the French Revolution but it wasn't as big as those bastards who came before her. In the end, the revolution was a failure but it opened a gateway to make peasants realize that they too can govern a land and rose into power. Now we have communist leaders, presidents, and other non-royal and modern-day hypocritical aristocrats thanks to the French Revolution.

    • @samanthasmith61
      @samanthasmith61 2 місяці тому +5

      Prince Albert was also hated because he was German... when he was first cousin to Victoria who was like 99% German lol😂

  • @somekindofflower2024
    @somekindofflower2024 2 місяці тому +66

    I don't understand people that blame Marie Antoinette when she had little to no power in the politics of France. Many queens were married young, that's not an excuse for being a gullible queen, but what's wrong here is to call her gullible. She was raised right as a princess and with all things against her like false allegations of debauchery from the public and promiscuity from the aristocracy she acted as much as she could as a dutiful queen, mother and wife. She donated to poor children on Christmas and taught her kids the importance of that, she let the kids of the servants play with her kids. She may have made some mistakes in influencing Louis, but that would most probably be because of the pressure she felt from the aristocracy as an aristocrat. Now, I don't know if people who blame Louis XVI in defense of Marie even read anything about him. They mention the starvation, the debts of the country and the rising prices of bread as reasons to blame him, yet he was denied the opportunity from the parliament and the revolutionaries to even solve these things. He started caring about implementing fiscal reforms (1787) before the famine (1788), but the parliament revolted against him, forcing him to constantly change statesmen and finance ministers and he ended up imprisoning certain members that opposed his reforms. When even that didn't prove efficient he had to convoke the Estates General, an assembly of three classes: clergy, nobility and commoners. The commoners class were still notable people, the bourgeoisie who distrustful of the King and actually opposing his Divine right because of their new liberal ideas, they declared the Third estate the National Assembly. They convicted the king and queen for the same crimes they did to him and her - high treason. If we are discussing who were the villains and who were the victims, I think it's important to remember their ends: Louis and Marie declared themselves innocent of the crimes they were accused including the "incest" between Marie and her son, Louis forgave his enemies and wished that his blood will not fall on France, while Marie apologised for stepping on the executioner foot despite the stress of being separated from her husband, kids and being humiliated before reaching the guillotine, while Robespierre, Marat and others reached cowardly and terrifying ends, the first being guillotined while having fractured jaw from jumping from a window causing him great pain, and the latter stabbed in a bathtub with rotting skin, by the hands of a woman who declared that she killed 1 man to save 100 000.

    • @jessicag630
      @jessicag630 Місяць тому +8

      Most rumors in their tabloids were targeted at the kings' mistresses. Her husband did not have any mistress, so the media targeted her for all the lavish spending rumors.
      The revolutioners happened to need a scapegoat as well.

    • @cringecat3614
      @cringecat3614 Місяць тому

      @@jessicag630 Not to mention she was austrian. There was a lot of bad blood between France and Austria back then, before Louis married Marie Antoinette. Her ethny was certainly used against her. One of the things the crowds actually spat at her while she was making her way in the open chart was "austrian bitch".

    • @TheMotherofTacos
      @TheMotherofTacos Місяць тому +4

      She literally had *NO* influence over Louis until they were already late into imprisonment and by then, it was far too late.

  • @sweethistortea
    @sweethistortea 2 місяці тому +130

    I love this season already. I’m in Vienna on vacation right now and it was so cool to see all these places. 😭

    • @thehistoryfilms122
      @thehistoryfilms122 2 місяці тому +4

      These scene was created in palace of Valtice in Czech Republic, not in Austria 🤗

    • @shizukagozen777
      @shizukagozen777 2 місяці тому +4

      ​@@thehistoryfilms122
      She clearly means the REAL places.

    • @NMaxne
      @NMaxne 2 місяці тому +1

      How was Vienna? What were your favourite parts and favourite food? My husband is Viennese so I love Vienna!

  • @AnastasiaIsabella
    @AnastasiaIsabella 2 місяці тому +506

    If only Maria Antonia ( Marie Antoinette ) had listened to her mother then she wouldn’t have had lose her head and her life.

    • @盧璘壽로인수
      @盧璘壽로인수 2 місяці тому +58

      tbf Antonia & Carolina were terrors in their own right and had to be separated from each other
      (they roomed together and were the most close, hence why after the guillotine Carolina's judgment became clouded and led to her own downfall)
      also court life in Austria was a bit lighter than that of France and Antonia had a hard time adjusting

    • @GitanAnimex
      @GitanAnimex 2 місяці тому +115

      Nah, the one who was rulling france was her husbaand and his advisors , she was just an excuse

    • @JeantheSecond-ip7qm
      @JeantheSecond-ip7qm 2 місяці тому +99

      @@GitanAnimexThank you! She was a way to blame France’s problems on someone who wasn’t French, but everyone who brought France to that state was French.

    • @SF-my4uq
      @SF-my4uq 2 місяці тому +17

      You know nothing about French history if that's your summary. Wow.

    • @AnastasiaIsabella
      @AnastasiaIsabella 2 місяці тому +51

      @@GitanAnimex she was a scapegoat and let them eat cake propaganda ..

  • @onetruekeeper
    @onetruekeeper 2 місяці тому +27

    Every action in Louis’ court is like a chess move. The wrong word or gesture could be fatal.

  • @sebastianazocar2368
    @sebastianazocar2368 2 місяці тому +41

    It’s surprising that Marie Antoinette grown up already

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +29

      Yeah, she shouldn't be. She was 10 when her father died.

    • @haselnusszweig5533
      @haselnusszweig5533 18 днів тому +1

      She looks ten... Not grown up at all!

    • @sebastianazocar2368
      @sebastianazocar2368 18 днів тому

      @@haselnusszweig5533 I know, that was like in year 1761 and Marie Antoinette was supposed to be 7 years old

  • @sumireokamura
    @sumireokamura 18 днів тому +4

    Funny how Maria Theresa said to her husband do " the talk " to their son in the end.

  • @nguyenanhtuan1196
    @nguyenanhtuan1196 2 місяці тому +23

    I did not expect the "frog leg" thing.

    • @LordGeneralOHara
      @LordGeneralOHara 2 місяці тому +3

      Welkom in Europa

    • @Brit626
      @Brit626 3 дні тому +1

      They're not that bad, actually! Sort of similar to chicken, in my opinion.

  • @janehollander1934
    @janehollander1934 2 місяці тому +64

    I wonder if Maria Antoinette's mother instructed her on 🤫all things "marital". Louis XVI was clearly woefully unprepared 🤭😅.

    • @sweethistortea
      @sweethistortea 2 місяці тому +32

      @@janehollander1934 There are letters from her where she tells her daughter what to do. I remember seeing it in a documentary.

    • @nm7358
      @nm7358 2 місяці тому +26

      It took Emperor Joseph's visit in France in 1777, seven years into their marriage, to finally succeed and make them both understand what they had to do.

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem 2 місяці тому +16

      it was his brother who went straught to king louis like "dude, WRONG HOLE!"

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@nm7358
      😅😅😅
      not mentioning fymosis

    • @shizukagozen777
      @shizukagozen777 2 місяці тому

      She did, it is very well known. 😅

  • @danielsantiagourtado3430
    @danielsantiagourtado3430 2 місяці тому +11

    Love your content lili! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤

  • @irawilliams343
    @irawilliams343 2 місяці тому +95

    If only Marie Antoinette listened to her mother, she could have possibly kept her head.

    • @nguyenanhtuan1196
      @nguyenanhtuan1196 2 місяці тому +11

      And did not have to perform in that opening ceremony.

    • @AndyWhoKnows12
      @AndyWhoKnows12 2 місяці тому +6

      Prolly wouldn't have helped

    • @gaiamorgosi7181
      @gaiamorgosi7181 2 місяці тому +31

      I think that unfortunately she wouldn’t have, a single generation of spoiled aristocracy didn’t create the French Revolution, decades and decades of oppression and not caring for people did: let’s think about the fact that all over Europe monarchies were wealthy, but Maria Theresa’s enlightenment created, for example, the first idea of public schooling. It is also useful to remember that the violence of the Revolutionaries exploded the moment they saw Versailles, where one window was equivalent to one year of bread for poor people, THAT created the Revolution, the consciousness of the people about how much they had been exploited and kept poor to satisfy a small portion of society. So. Well. Their attitude didn’t help, for sure, if anything it made it much worse, but the moment everyone saw the Palace, they ran inside, no word from anyone could have prevented that, I’m afraid.

    • @SF-my4uq
      @SF-my4uq 2 місяці тому +1

      @@gaiamorgosi7181 absolutely. MA was merely a bystander. The revolution was the buildup of decades of problems, particularly the 5-10 years beforehand.

    • @melodyclark1944
      @melodyclark1944 2 місяці тому +15

      The people were suffering because taxes were high to support the king's war for the United States and because of the famine from the severe winter in 1788

  • @burningmoonfiction
    @burningmoonfiction 2 місяці тому +10

    Thanks so much for posting this! May I ask if you have a link for watching season 3? I can't find it anywhere on the internet

  • @dasmysteryman12
    @dasmysteryman12 2 місяці тому +7

    Why is it that the actress for Maria Theresa changes but the actor for Francis Stephen doesn't???

  • @Belgisch_Monarchist1831
    @Belgisch_Monarchist1831 2 місяці тому +21

    I love the Habsburgs my favorite royal family by far and Maria theresia is one of my favorite monarchs where can you watch this series ?

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +2

      Amazon Prime

    • @MichielBLKorte
      @MichielBLKorte 2 місяці тому +2

      I advise you to look into everything Maria Theresia did as a monarch very closely before declaring her your favourite 😂

    • @Belgisch_Monarchist1831
      @Belgisch_Monarchist1831 2 місяці тому +5

      @MichielBLKorte I've read many books about her it's through this my admiration grew I know she did some shady stuff but so did many other monarchs she's a great female monarch one of the best in my opinion

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +4

      @@MichielBLKorte She is actually the favourite of many, including historians 🤷‍♀

  • @盧璘壽로인수
    @盧璘壽로인수 2 місяці тому +9

    oh good detail of keeping Marie Antoinette's childhood pet dog
    also was the Emperor Francis's mother that detestable???
    last question, which streaming platform is this hosted?

  • @archangeee929
    @archangeee929 2 місяці тому +7

    ¡Lili, excelente vídeo como siempre!
    ¿De dónde eres? Parece que te llevas bien con la historia y las lenguas también. Lograste traducir las series y telenovelas historicas a inglés, aunque son en otros idiomas como español, aleman, turco y ruso.
    Te mando saludos desde Filipinas. ✨

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +4

      Muchas gracias! 🥰
      Soy de Hungría. Lenguas y la historia son un hobby para mí.

    • @wazi0crak75
      @wazi0crak75 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Lily1127channel donde has encontrado la tercera temporada llevo bastante buscando

  • @RoseRedd-k4b
    @RoseRedd-k4b 5 днів тому

    She just called her daughter stupid, how mean is that!

  • @Overit898
    @Overit898 4 дні тому

    Surprised the empress is depicted as disliking her daughters new French tastes/fashion when historically, it was she who fiercely pushed her daughter into such foreign practices all to cement a practical relationship with France. Poor Antonia was used for political machinations by her own mother and paid the price with her life. Truly one of histories greatest tragedies

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  3 дні тому

      In this series, Maria Theresa does not dislike Antonia's new French tastes and it is indeed her who initiated that she should become more French before going to France in order to fit in better.
      Antonia married for political alliance like literally every other princess at that time, her mother didn't do anything special or what was not expected of any other monarch. Antonia just ended up with a more tragical end than a usual princess due to several unfortunate circumstances.

  • @flaminbritz4298
    @flaminbritz4298 19 днів тому +2

    I heard that marie antoniette became queen at 14😶

    • @casanova-late
      @casanova-late 8 годин тому

      She became queen at 18, but she got married at 14 and became the dauphine at that age.

  • @keizelharf5393
    @keizelharf5393 2 місяці тому +2

    Why after Francis dead, Maria Theresia did not elected as empress regnant, althought she literally acted as sovereign from beginning?

  • @outinspace3083
    @outinspace3083 2 місяці тому +2

    Good lord I didn’t know Chinese cresteds could get that big.

  • @wilhelmu
    @wilhelmu 2 місяці тому +1

    where to watch this?

  • @ErdbeerfelderForever
    @ErdbeerfelderForever 2 місяці тому +3

    Spannend. Ich kannte die Serie bisher gar nicht. Schade nur, dass die Perücken so schlimm aussehen.

    • @Die_Frau
      @Die_Frau 2 місяці тому

      Почему плохо?

    • @fruzsimih7214
      @fruzsimih7214 Місяць тому +1

      ja, schauen sehr nach Plastik aus. Dabei trugen gerade die Frauen damals meist keine Perücken sondern puderten ihre Haare. Immerhin sind die Kleider recht ok.

  • @ЯнаКарусевич-м9щ
    @ЯнаКарусевич-м9щ 2 місяці тому +1

    J'ai toujours eu pitié de Marie-Antoinette parce que c'est dans mon pays qu'elle a perdu la vie j'ai lu que son jeune fils a été sévèrement torturé et qu'il a littéralement pourri sur un morceau de paille Triste histoire de la vie de la reine qui n'a pas écouté sa mère plus expérimentée Marie-Thérèse

  • @letsschubertiad1966
    @letsschubertiad1966 2 місяці тому +1

    Wo kann ich die Staffel schauen?

  • @calliefinck6275
    @calliefinck6275 2 місяці тому +2

    When’s the next upload

  • @dominikakratochvil860
    @dominikakratochvil860 Місяць тому +2

    Wait… it that Kotek?! And Pauhofová?! 😧

  • @FlyxPat
    @FlyxPat 2 місяці тому +1

    Geschmackvoll 😂
    I learned a new word

    • @miew8204
      @miew8204 2 місяці тому

      Very "tasteful" word, right ? (:

  • @calliefinck6275
    @calliefinck6275 Місяць тому

    Which daughter was estranged from her mother

  • @le_souverainiste_francais7420
    @le_souverainiste_francais7420 Місяць тому +1

    Vive la Reine !

  • @cherylthommo1
    @cherylthommo1 2 місяці тому +3

    Bon appetit 😂

    • @andreasmartin7942
      @andreasmartin7942 2 місяці тому

      I wonder if there is such a thing as talcum poisoning.

  • @ih8utbe
    @ih8utbe 2 місяці тому +1

    Personally Maria should have never went to France to become Queen.

  • @vollhov2370
    @vollhov2370 2 місяці тому +4

    Будет интересно посмотреть как Мария-Анутанетта была еще в Австрии. Интересно покажут тут встречу с Моцартом.

    • @fruzsimih7214
      @fruzsimih7214 Місяць тому

      Marie Antoinette met Mozart when they were both children.

    • @vollhov2370
      @vollhov2370 Місяць тому

      @@fruzsimih7214 Выкладывали отрывок где она еще ребенок и сидит на коленях своей учительницы.

  • @Die_Frau
    @Die_Frau 2 місяці тому

    Что за фильм?

  • @jakecavendish3470
    @jakecavendish3470 2 місяці тому

    Must have been absolutely queefing herself by the end

  • @calliefinck6275
    @calliefinck6275 2 місяці тому +1

    How could she say those things about her kids

  • @WitchKing-Of-Angmar
    @WitchKing-Of-Angmar 2 місяці тому +1

    Wow! What a fantastic movie. Normal acting

  • @fano6567
    @fano6567 2 місяці тому +1

    マリー・アントワネット役の女優さん可愛い!誰だろう

  • @N.A.S101
    @N.A.S101 2 місяці тому +4

    Wow its already 1770?

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +7

      No, it can't be, because Francis Stephen died in 1765. Though Marie Antonette should not be so grown up yet. The timeline is a bit off in the series.

    • @N.A.S101
      @N.A.S101 2 місяці тому +3

      @Lily1127channel Yes it is because Marie Antonias marriage plans only began being discussed in 1768

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +5

      @@N.A.S101 Exactly. The series is also inaccurate because it showed in earlier clips that French marriage plans were already discussed for a little Marie Antoinette who seemed about 4-5 years old in those clips. It is far too early. Especially that in those same clips we see a beautiful teenager Maria Elisabeth, and Maria Theresia also speaks about that Elisabeth also has some suitors. That is also completely wrong, because Elisabeth was the first one who was chosen for a French marriage alliance. Only when poor Lieserl got smallpox and her face became scarred and no longer beautiful did Maria Theresa start to consider another daughter of hers for a French alliance. But as long as Elisabeth was pretty and well, it was her mainly who was considered for the French plans. This is something this tv series doesn't show correctly.

    • @N.A.S101
      @N.A.S101 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Lily1127channel Johanna and Josepha would have also been dead by now lol

    • @盧璘壽로인수
      @盧璘壽로인수 2 місяці тому

      @@N.A.S101
      true that, and they were considered to be the consorts for Naples
      Carolina became their replacement

  • @мишар8128
    @мишар8128 Місяць тому

    Өстендә
    Астында
    Янында
    Алтында
    Артында

  • @balterx
    @balterx 2 місяці тому

    por que siento que es otra serie hecha para destrozar las imagenes de grandes monarcas con cosas salidas de l aimaginacion de alguen para "hacer mas interesante" la vida de los monarcas...

    • @astrofabio68
      @astrofabio68 2 місяці тому

      esta serie es bastante fiel a la realidad, el unico error es cambiar constantemente a la actriz que representa a Maria Teresa con actrices que no se parecen en nada, mientras dejan al actor de Francisco siempre igual

    • @balterx
      @balterx 2 місяці тому

      @@astrofabio68 gracias sabes en donde puede verse?

  • @BrokenneckYgor
    @BrokenneckYgor 2 місяці тому

    Them oldies was right about sex

  • @lkgrave4959
    @lkgrave4959 2 місяці тому +9

    I wonder how she would have felt if she knew her decapitated corpse would be used as a prop for the Olympic Games?
    That was more disturbing than LBTQ+'s Last Supper.

    • @hawkhillfalconer3529
      @hawkhillfalconer3529 2 місяці тому +11

      Sorry you don't know the difference between "the last supper" and a Greek Bacchanal. (the Olympics are Greek).

    • @lkgrave4959
      @lkgrave4959 2 місяці тому +1

      @hawkhillfalconer3529 Well everyone sure as hell thinks it's the Last Supper and I wonder why it was blown of proportion.

    • @michaeltres
      @michaeltres 2 місяці тому +6

      @@lkgrave4959 Ignorance, nothing more.

    • @daleanderson1095
      @daleanderson1095 2 місяці тому

      @@hawkhillfalconer3529The father of lies invented gaslighting.

    • @Lily1127channel
      @Lily1127channel  2 місяці тому +5

      Tbh to me it never occured it could be The last supper while watching it, I immediately thought it could be something with Dionysus and ancient Greek mythology. Dionysus is Seine's father (river Seine) and the Olympics are ancient Greek. The last supper has no connection to Paris, France, or the Olympics, it was painted by an Italian, in Italy, and it is still located in Italy. It had no reason to be there.
      Whether poor Marie Antoinette's placement there in that way was acceptable or not depends on our personal tastes and sense of humor, I guess. I had no problem with it but I can imagine some people had.

  • @josipjosipovic4765
    @josipjosipovic4765 2 місяці тому +1

    silly

  • @Cobbido
    @Cobbido Місяць тому +3

    Why aren't there any black or brown skinned people?

    • @S3L3N764
      @S3L3N764 Місяць тому +2

      A rare type of cast selection isn't it?! Really shocking!

    • @burgertacokitties
      @burgertacokitties Місяць тому

      Why do you think

    • @Cobbido
      @Cobbido Місяць тому +1

      @@burgertacokitties Answer

    • @burgertacokitties
      @burgertacokitties Місяць тому

      @@Cobbido Because this is a FRENCH family

    • @Cobbido
      @Cobbido Місяць тому

      @@burgertacokitties oh?? and french cant be black??

  • @JaneAustenAteMyCat
    @JaneAustenAteMyCat 2 місяці тому +4

    Where is this series available to watch? It looks good