AMD Ryzen 5 5600G: Budget Pack-a-Punch!
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2021
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Hey, everyone! Wanted to share a little something about our collab with AMD (they didn't know I planned to say this) - I'm very grateful for their willingness to be transparent with the performance of these APUs. It would have been easy to cherry-pick titles with super high framerates to cast the 5600G in a "better" light, but I really pushed for brute transparency in this one despite it being _sponsored..._ and AMD didn't push back at all. They were perfectly fine with us showing Dirt 5 in 1080p yielding ~30 FPS. And I still happen to think it's a heck of a deal - especially in this current market. Hopefully these tests help folks in search of an entry-level solution. Thanks for the support!
Do some tweaking in the bios and try it again for poops and giggles. You will find it has a little more to gain. Good video, Take care
@@tnreloader8236 We intentionally avoided much tweaking to reflect the "standard" user who typically keeps things vanilla, but we'll definitely be playing around with it a bit more in the future! There are so many things to tweak.
that's cool to know. perhaps you have a good contact inside. Pays to have someone with engineering background as the CEO of the company instead of a marketing person.
I think everyone knows what the current APU's capability are and AMD knows any marketing gimicks from them will just be terrible.
Still rocking a Renoir 4750G APU and it is fine for light games and stuff.
hey there, great video to educate ourselves. Thank you very much for sharing some info although I would have loved to see a content creative perspective too. when you do these types of vids can you please give us a video editing perspective also. Love from india
Can you load a DDR4 4000 XMP and do a light iGPU OC? The APUs should handle that no problem and might scale pretty well.
Using 5600G since launch. Quite impressive.
1080p medium COD WW2, BF1, BF5, GTA 5 all runs good enough.
AMD need more GPU cores,and something that can mimic quicksync!!!...intel got no chance against that on a budget rig!!
1080p medium that's about PS4/One speaking on graphics right ?
@@fabrb26 Well kind of, Xbox and PS4 typically run low graphics settings at either 900-1080p, it all depends on the game though
I just went exactly this route to upgrade my workhorse PC, so it's great to see a video like this after the fact that justifies my choices :)
I really like this build. Fantastic value for money. Boots in under 30 seconds (despite being a decade old W10 install). Opens browser tabs instantly. Does everything I need it to, and I can game over LAN with my kids without getting shot every few minutes. And it's *so quiet*! That really is the icing on top. I'll prob get a separate GPU if prices ever come down, but this is so good for what I use it for, maybe I just won't bother..
What do you have to say to someone who has never used a pc and looking for a fast, no lag pc?
I will install a 3070 much later and maybe make it dual monitor setup.
Will the ryzen support it??
Great video, nice list of parts, totally doable for most people these days. Right on point, thanks Greg.
Glad to see a benchmark on this APU without it being overclocked. Now i know what to expect. Great video and a good build to start while waiting for gpu prices to drop
Good evening Mr. Salazar,
Two things:
1. Thank you! Your Broken PC series has helped me to fix my son’s Optiplex 780 that I thought I had bricked. It’s a computer someone bought him to game on. Anyways, while I was trying to clean up the OS from a lot of…stuff, a defrag froze it for two hours and I risked a restart. When it restarted, it was beeping. Did some googling today, followed the beep sequence to figure out the issue. Well, clearing the CMOS and removing the RAM (and only putting one stick back) allowed it to start. I may have to replace the hard drive, but at least it posts and I get a picture.
2. Because I thought I bricked his PC, he and I have been researching parts to make him a gaming PC. Because I CANNOT afford a GPU right now, we were targeting the Ryzen 5 5600G. Partially because of the GPU, but also I’m an AMD guy. There are some areas that I am skimping on, others I am not. Here are the specs:
Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX B550-F Gaming WiFi
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G
Cooler: Vetro V240L AIO
RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB 16GBx2 3200 SL
Storage: Western Digital SN850 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen 4
Power Supply: Corsair CX650M Bronze
Case: Corsair 4000D
Fans: 6 Vetro 120mm RGB fans
Monitor: Gigabyte 27” curved monitor
Keyboard/Mouse: Some under $20 RGB keyboard and mouse from Amazon
We have been waiting until around Black Friday/Cyber Monday in an effort to try and catch some deals and lower the price some. Right now, IF I buy the retail version of Windows, the total price for everything is right around $1,500. However, I am seriously considering your “ad” about vip sdkey. The reviews seem legit, and $20 is far less than $150.
But I love your channel. It’s been 20 years since I was really building computers (I’m a programmer by trade), and your channel has helped rebuild that desire. And as an OCD guy, I LOOOOVVVVEEEEE you PCDC playlist.
Hope all is well, God bless.
Just used this chip in a build for a friend about a month ago. Amazing value, and performs all the games they’re looking for.
would this run euro truck sim ok
My overclocked 5700G plays Dirt 5 at 1080p in the 37-42fps neighborhood, if that means anything to anyone debating between the two chips. It's not a huge difference but it makes the difference between playable and not in some games. Also, the history resolution setting is what affects framerate most. 1080p render and output resolution can still be done at 60fps.
Saw your post on insta, I’ve been waiting for this
This is a spectacular video which I will be referencing every time someone asks me, "Do I need to spend $1500 to build a computer?" I can happily say, "Greg Salazar built one with brand new parts including one of the most powerful integrated graphics processors available for less than $700... *AFTER* taxes." Thank you so much for reviewing this and for listing the parts you used!
That was a great introduction to understanding to what I need to build my first PC.Thank you Greg! I understood almost all of it! Let's keep diggin.
Love the Escort RS Cosworth in Dirt. Great video and definitely worth a punt on a tight budget.
This helped me out a lot I actually bought the same case in this video before I watched about a week ago, and I needed this CPU and motherboard, thanks Greg.
Greg, I just upgraded my rig from a MSI 760GM-P35 AM3 platform to a B450 Gaming plus Max AM4 platform with a Ryzen 5 5600G. absolutely love the new platform and look forward to being able to game on it with some of the newer games! once I flashed the bios the APU kicked in and booted with no problem! and I don't have to use a GPU, at least not yet!
I'm actually sidegrading to a 5600G because the power bills have rocketed!! I need efficiency more than performance these days.
3 year old system was due an upgrade anyway but doing my bit for the environment choosing something not totally overkill this time (even if i did get the last chip on a wicked black friday deal)
Built my parents a computer with this CPU. They have much more basic computing needs. They are not gamers or content creators but wanted something that will last 6-10 years. There were some lower end (i3) options and would have had decent prices, but availability wasn’t very good. What was available was more expensive then what had been selling on the market, eroding the value.
I paired one with a A520 S2H for $61 and it did quite well. While there is no overclocking on this motherboard it does have Qflash which will come in handy if this is your first AMD build. You will need to flash this motherboard, while it is ready for 5000 GPU’s it is not ready for the 5000 APU’s.
built my pc recently with this one and so happy with it !!
Awesomeness vid Mr Salazar...I agree with u...ever since I went with my ryzen platform it work and worth's the full value..have a safe and great day brother
I got me one of them to keep me going while I wait for GPUs to at least get back to somewhat reasonable pricing. With a bit of tweaking I have the iGPU running at 2350Mhz with 3800MHz DDR4. And I have dirt 5 for example with decent settings running at around 50fps. Doom eternal at 1080p high/ultra settings at 45-55 Fps. I'm quite happy with it so far.
Overal with the ram and GPU overclock I'm getting around 25% more performance. I'm keeping the CPU at stock because there is no point in overclocking it until I get a proper GPU. I did try tweaking it and managed to get it to 4600mhz on all cores with negative curve optimizer and PBO +200Mhz and decent temps. Nothing extreme
Hi, in thinking about doing exactly the same :) would you mind linking you config?
It is 11:30 pm where I'm from right now😂😂 keep up the good work
I think the 5600G and 5700G are really good solutions instead of just offering a non-X variate of the 5600X or 5800X like we saw in the Ryzen 3000 series. One can always add a graphics card later if needed.
Ryzen 2600 vs Ryzen 5600g in combination with a rtx 2060
True, AMD replaced the non x variants with 5600G and 5700G, is good for the current market with gpu shortage
lol I already have a gpu but since the 5600g is like $60 cheaper than the 5600x I might just buy it instead and disable the graphics.
@@Hens1123Minecraft in the off chance that your GPU might fail having the G series will make sure you can always use your PC anytime especially because CPUs are reliable af.
@@Jay-cm9tr and that’s exactly why I have a 5600g in my amd build. Although I do have a amd gpu (6600xt but upgrading to 6750 xt since I bought a new 1440p display) so yeah.
When i put my first system together it was with the ryzen 5 2400g and the whole system cost me 300 bucks at the time. It ran at 720p 40-60fps most titles lowest settings. I did that because I couldn't find a gpu i wanted at the time and wanted to switch to pc. When i finally found a gpu to put in, the cpu was good enough to play 1080p medium at least 60fps most games.
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Hey, I did the same! Funny enough, I just ordered a 5600g and I plan to sell the 2400g and the RX 580 to build a very small ITX with it.
Did that for the first computers i made for my sons and I
i built a similar system for my mum.she was stunned by the difference in performance from her old intel rig.
1st and 2nd gen ryzen were absolutely screaming value 12mths after launch.
As someone who got into PC building for music production, I love these types of builds because they provide so much function for way less money. Being able to play games is just a nice little plus.
Man can you expand on that actually I'm looking to build a pc around feb of 2022 so I was wandering if this apu is good also I'm into music production stuff so yeah tell me if it's really good or something.
@@somerandomfatguy.3384 Sure thing. For music, the graphics card is pretty much replaced by an audio interface - which is way cheaper than post apocalypse GPU prices lol. This apu is seems pretty good and I'm sure it can handle plenty of samples and plugins. Thankfully, music production doesn't require lots of resources, but you'll still want things like an SSD, good amount of ram, etc. You can also be perfectly fine with a lower wattage psu unless you plan to add a gpu down the line.
@@yebii_ yeah man I did a bit digging around the web and it seems I don't have much option aside laptop with what $700 I have and I won't be buying laptop so I guess will go with This... But have you ever thought abut paring this with 3060 for future reference if you know you would like to game in future?
@@yebii_ dude also can you give me a description your build that would be awesome for reference to build for my self.
@@somerandomfatguy.3384 The build in the video should pair nicely with a 3060. I think he says that somewhere in the video. If you plan to add a gpu in the future though, the you'll need to think about the PSU. For 700 though, I'm confident you can start a good build for music production.
My build has a Ryzen 5 3600 CPU, RTX 2060 KO Ultra, 32 gb ram 3000, 700w psu, b450 tomahawk motherboard, and 500gb WD black m2 drive. I have 3 other hard drives in there as well, and my audio interface is an NI komplete audio 2. My parts aren't the latest, and some aren't necessary, but they are plenty powerful for music.
Hi Greg. This is a very helpful video. Can you recommend a small form factor case without a clear side that would be suitable for this build? I prefer not to be able to see inside.
Built a system almost identical to this one for my father in law, very happy with it
Commenting a year after this video. You nailed everything about the component. I started with a budget build in an InWin Chopin that only had a 150 watt psu and this thing emulated everything up to PS3 just fine and played some of the AA games I was interested in. Made for a BA HTPC as well. I have now transferred everything to a sgpc k49 case with a 600 psu and PowerColor RX 6600 Fighter and could not be happier. The Ryzen 5600G not only got me through the gpu apocalyspe, it now is a powerhouse in my mid range gaming budget build. Could not be happier. AMD did gamers right with this apu, no doubt. Intel, who?
Got one for 180 ish on amazon, excited to put it to use!
Works great with a lot more games than youd think. Just make sure you get a motherboard that works without having to deal with Bios updates.
Hi Greg! It was a pleasure to watch this review! I want to build a PC for recording music in Ableton 11 Live and playing electric guitar with Ableton effects. A couple of days ago I discovered this processor and was immediately very happy because I thought I won't need a GPU. This PC would be only for music recording, maybe I would see youtube vids sometimes. Do you think that this built-in GPU would be enough for Ableton? than U very much!
5600g is a beast! I tested many games on VEGA 7 and most modern games are playable which is great. Also if you pair it with RX6600 you got best budget gaming rig so far
I had an RX6600 and I am currently waiting on my 5600g to arrive to replace my old Intel platform, great minds think alike. How does the CPU do when you take graphics out of the equation?
I like the way you explain things, keep up the good work!
Was thinking about building this :)
Nice video Greg, I am considering to buy one, since I already have a compatible AM4 motherboard. My only concern is the Cache Memory which is much less than the 5600X, but the 5600X is much more expensive in South Africa.
i bought one of these on opening day to wait for gpu prices to come down, it works great!
When i used that same stock cooler with my Ryzen 5 3600 under load the temps shot up to 90c in a meshy type case with plenty of air and extra fans and it's also 65 watts and only turbos up to 4.2 GHz and i was using Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut paste
Maybe clean it? I run 4 fans on a fully tempered case and on full load, my max temps were 80c with 80% ram usage for reference on "full load". Provided, I have my room AC running at 18c over the day and Im in quite a small bedroom.
yeah these stock wraith coolers suck a big one.
Bought it myself aswell and have been using it for a month. Overclocked it to 4.6 GHz all core either (with unsafe voltages ik) and 2.5 GHz iGPU clock speed works like a budget 1080p monster for around $180 which is freaking awesome. If you have the overclocking capability for this chip then go for it.
Looking forward to getting my Ryzen 5 going.
I plan on building a PC and my friend recommended this CPU to me. Since I see it handle games well, I'm not worried about how it will run anymore!
Appreciate the video as always and how budget concious it is, but if i have to nag a lil bit, i feel its a bit misleading to call this "essentially" a 5600x. There's actually some kind of gap. Its not gargantuous but i think its worth pointing out.
Nice vidéo. perfect presentation. discret, en toute confidence, attitude.
Thanks for the video on the 5600G Greg! I just bought one along with a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite mainboard and 32 gb of DD4/3600 memory to rebuild my 10 year old Gigabye AMD Phenom II machine (also with on-board graphics). I don't game so I don't need the graphics card. It's my daily driver PC that does pretty much everything including some audio/video editing. My main OS is Ubuntu linux with Win10 for studio work when needed. After seeing your review, I feel satisfied with the purchase. Thanks again!
Just picked this up for my emulation box / htpc.
The only thing with this apu is the PCI-Express Gen 3 connection . If you want to use in the future a GPU with gen 4 lanes you can't use them so not profiting for max speed . For the rest it's a great apu for as you say a budget system . Good vid by the way . 👍
I got the R5700G, gonna build it this weekend. Still waiting the case bequiet 500DX
Yeah 5600g is sweet! Sold my RTX 2060 gaming laptop, and while waiting for GPU's to come back in stock, I can play everything with the 5600g (mainly BF4, 720P > 144fps) :D
Love that i just buy one to test it for my 2 computer^^
Thank you for this review.
Hey Greg. Do you have a video where you explain what "cores" mean and do for the pc? Also, explaining what threads are and what they do. How they are a combo.
There was a tech quickie about that. They describe cores as a mouth and threads as hands to feed your mouth.
I have litterly this case aswell. I have an AMD/Nvidia system in it (R5 5600x/RTX3070). Like to see that this case is still used by guys like you
Is the cooler included the same one that come witch the 5600X if so does that mean that I don't have to upgrade the cooler for gaming.
I am going to be using it for a media pc next to the 4K tv, not built yet, but should be more then fine
APU looks good with current GPU Prices💖
Damn! This this is more efficient than my AMD A4 6320. That runs Need for Speed 6 (hot Pursuit 2) at 80-90w from the wall
Solid budget build with Console like Graphics! Not bad, especially since you can find these for just over $100 now.
I just bought one of these today timing couldn’t be more perfect
Same here
Hey Greg, what does the ASUS 'TUF' Acronym stand for?
do you think any game development could be done on this in unity or unreal engine?
i got this case and cpu, its really good paired with a 1660 super. all games run at ultra 90+ fps
Ryzen APUs have been so good for budget friendly builds, glad they decided to omit a 4 core variant , would love to see you compared it to the 3400G! They are going used for under 200 sometimes around the 150 mark!
i paid 60 bucks for a micro itx pc that has a 3400g 16gb 3600mhz ram 500gb nvme
@@moparjr89 didnt ask
@@moparjr89 That's a heck of a deal for the specs. Can you fit a gpu in it later?
Hi Greg can you pls tell what apu is the 5600g is equivalent to (nvidia)
6:53 cool transition
I am a little curious about the Memory amount listed in games as it never seems to go above 500MB. So maybe your bios or something is limiting it? I have this APU and was able to manually set it to 4GB for the GPU in the bios while the auto setting allots 2GB to it. Auto was the default for my board so I saw that 500MB and was like "what".
I might be misreading some of the info but I found that odd.
Literally just picked this CPU up, building my dad's coworker a pc around this cpu so im excited!
Literally just saw this comment.
How did you get the MSI Afterburner overlay working in CSGO?
Looking to grab this as my 2nd hand part computer I built in 2016 is starting to get super dated and my gpu cant handle anything super intensive. All I need is something that'll handle 1080p or even 720p gaming (D2, SWTOR, Dragon Age series, Fallout) but also simple PS work and day to day stuff.
Hello Greg, Would one of these APUs work as a Streaming PC in a dual PC setup with an Elgato 4K HD PRO MKII installed on an X570 mobo with 32GB of Corsair Vengeance Pro RAM CL16? And if so hows the quality of encoding to H264 in OBS vs NVENC? Also is using NDI comparable to using a capture card?
Hello Greg and thank you for another video! I wanted to ask regarding the supported CPU's of this motherboard. You have mentioned about the need of an older CPU in order to update the bios. This specific motherboard has a bios flashback functionality! Why should we need an older CPU while we can do it with a flash drive?
Its safer. Flashing the bios wrong can brick the motherboard. Plus he has the ability to do so, and some motherboards might not have that option.
@@deebo429__ for starters, I have mentioned about the specific mobo presented and not any motheboard. Furthermore, there is no safer thing as the instructions/steps to update bios via flashdrive is 100000% straight forward. Did more than 30-40 myself and never had an issue. My original question now was again about the presented motherboard which supports bios update via flashdrive(I did it myself a week ago without any issues) and I'm sure that this was simply a mistake by Greg.
Thanks Greg!
Hey im a starter what kinda pin is a ryzen cpu? Is it the one with a square in the middle?
Hey i have a question … I’m thinking of getting this APU, but was wondering if i could put my rx480 8gb gpu in and if it would make any differences. If not I’ll just leave the gpu out.
Can't wait to buy that 5600G! Hopefully, I'll have the funds by next week!
Thanks Greg, Just the advice I needed to purchase my next CPU! I'm sticking/w AMD Forever! But It was a question of Model, Performance & Price. Integrated Graphics can save me minimum $300.00 Cnd. One question are the Integrated Graphics Direct X12 Compatible/Capable? #Windows 11
How do you get those stats in the corner while you play games?
finally a good video about 5600g, looking to do a pc with it for a long time, not having a good gpu price atm
Its great. Ive run a game as heavy as battlefield 5, 1080p 60+ fps with no issues.
I've been using a 5600G in a HTPC/media streaming PC plugged into my 4k tv and its been running fine
Can't wait until 2024 when the 5600G returns to the studio for another riveting episode of PCDC!
In that case? It'll be fix or flop.
By then the budget apu will be the 8500😆
PC gaming is in a hard place right now, but give it another year or two of technology and an APU will handle 1080 high easily, and will look good enough at 4K using these new upscaling technologies for living room TV rigs. That will make PC very price competitive to consoles, and of course a PC can also do far more things than just play games.
Consoles also use APU's.
The Xbox and PS5 both use APU'S.
They're already here, they just aren't available to the consumers
@@theistnate those are SOCs, they are similar but not the same. They have everything permanently soldered on.
@@eclipsegst9419 oh ok
I think you have a 2 year wait at least.
AM5 is out later this year but you probably need 6-9 months to sort out the BIOS/DDR5 compatibility, THEN you'll get the NAVI APU's this time next year earliest.
It's not usually such a smart idea being first adopter of a brand new platform,it's better to wait a while to iron out the wrinkles!
Después de 8 meses de su lanzamiento lo compre a 168 dólares y es la mejor ganga que he adquirido, buena reseña y buena edición
What is the overlay being used? Is that Afterburner? TIA
I am seriously thinking about using this CPU to build a NAS/Media center. Thoughts?
Getting this while i also have a 1660 super, should run well
How good is this APU for streaming ?
I purchase the same system about couple months ago, only thing is not the same its the motherboard in which is a b450. Of course I had to upgrade the bios to support 5000 series. It runs perfectly fine for my son
what about a follow up but based around overclocking the 5600g?
how much more FPS, power draw, thermals etc
It's coming!
Can you share what temps you're seeing on the stock cooler when stressing or benchmarking eg. something like prime95 or cinebench? Also how much difference does 3200, 3600 and 3800 ram speed impact performance?
Hardware Unboxed (Hardware On Box / Harbour Unboxed) can help. m.ua-cam.com/video/AGux0pANft0/v-deo.html
Great review...
and now{APRIL 2022}
these APUs are cheaper as they're on general retail sale now...(In some countries, they were only available to OEMs).
Anyway, look out for 4650G APUs as well, because they're going cheap too and the diffrence in performance for the price is negligable, oh, anad BTW, a gentle overclock will bring it upto 5600G level.
I recently bought one to use in my upcoming build. I will still use a discrete GPU though. I didn't buy this APU because it has integrated graphics. I bought it because it's just a great value. It's also nice to have in case of GPU failure. Bought it new from a third party seller on Newegg and it was delivered in just 4 days.
I was looking at the same thing and went with i5 10400f for $278, ryzen 5600g is slower and costs $400 where I live so worthless unless you require igp functionality..
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@@nix123ism then get the 5600x
@@animalm4st3r the 5600x costs $490 where I live, you can get a i5 11400f for $289, the 5600x average fps over 10 games in hardware unboxed review is 190fps the i5 11400f is 170fps , a 12% increase for a 70% increase in cost, for a difference in performance you wouldn't even notice. AMD has priced themselves out of the market, they have no cpus that perform as well as the competition, intel , for a comparable price so, no, AMD can keep their cpus, I will stick with intel...
Would a build like this work well for steam remote play to my tv from my main rig?
@Girl On A Quest think I could get away with an intel iGPU? They tend to be a bit cheaper after all..
Thanks for this not only are your videos educational you make them entertaining without the gutter humor we get from other tech tubers. Thanks again.
That Cosworth escort tho...its like the FIST of the 90's
The current rig I got has a 5700 g inside and it packs a punch.
Too bad you can't increase the vram in order to get more bang.
Is this a good to pair this procces with MSI b450 mortar max?
I'm curious though. How will it perform when you do get a GPU? Should you consider upgrading to a better CPU afterwards?
On paper, it should perform better than the 3600. It has a base clock speed of 3.9ghz and 6 zen 3 cores. And the 3600 is no joke i tell you.
hardware unboxed found it performs roughly like a 3700x, or 14% slower than the 5600x
perfect for a rig for my mom
can be super small and compact
Hi what does the pc needs for power in idle mode?
How does it do in video editing ?
I just built mine two weeks ago and i love it, really good for a lot of titles with little settings turned down.
Would love to see a video from you about how it will perform after getting a gpu “hopefully “ against its X brothers
Did you update the bios on the mother board
I just built a pc with the ryzen 5 5600g paired with 16gb 3200 and a b550 MPG gaming plus and a evga 600w psu. I am really loving this new setup and when prices drop i can add a gpu for better performance since the cpu is decent.
I didn't get one yet but there is an offer a new PC its not like used or anything it has the same component as yours 16gb (2×8) Gigabyte B550M motherboard and a 600PSU
Do you think it really is worth it ?
And do you think it will be a beast when later on we add a GPU?
I have a question for your recomendations. Why do you recomend to invest in so low components that can last centuries as long as they fullfill the requirements. I don't understand for example why in a build that is made to upgrade, you would recommend a 500W powersupply in 80plus Bronze which would be very much not enough for a 3070 or higher but has otherwise totally fine components to fit such a graphics card inside. I made exactly that what you suggested when i started building my first pc and just about 2 years later i had to upgrade my powersupply even though the lifecycle of the powersupply is not nearly used up and by doing that the buyer loses the warranty of the product und it wont be able to be sold at a good price anymore.
The same i would say to such case recomendations, I fined it extremely hard to sell used cases because they cannot be shipped cheap and there are not easy to transport especially for people without a car. I think especially people starting with the hobby should think about their case a lot and chose a case that is a versatile in its configuration as possible to keep the freedom of changing their configuration. Otherwise you just lose again money when selling the old case and buying a new one.