I did consider retroactively amending the Spain ranking to reflect this development, but it wasn't the only path affected by this. The Falangist and Second Republic paths' attack buffs were also broken. I'm not sure it would've changed any of their positions on the ranking, since there were other factors that caused them to be placed where they were. But we'll never know, as we didn't know then.
next update we will learn that half of the focuses/spirit considered OP was actually placebo... i'm kinda surprised that nobody checked if the buffs actually apply in game before this patch
The same thing happened with the Soviet Air Force debuffs. I’d like Paradox to do an April fools where they just turn off all the national spirits without telling us. Some people might take a comically large amount of time to figure out if anything’s different.
It was broken because the spirit used the modifiers offence / defence which didn't work, they got switched to army_attack_factor / army_defence_factor.
7:45, I don't think you should do "Confirm the Fueros" until you control all of the autonomous regions of Spain. Because it doesn't removes the modifier even after the war ends, which is kinda annoying when you're trying to build factories or get more recourses from regions like Galicia or Basque Country
18:55 It's rather frustrating that while you can form the Kingdom of Franco-Spain AS Spain, you specifically need France to have gone down the Carlist path to do so, unlike France, which simply requires you to have Spain as a puppet.
I noticed this problem a while ago while playing with a friend. I sent a few divisions to help him and checked the stats to show him the bonus from the Spirit. Those weren't there for some reason but i thought it just doesnt show up. Now this proofes my concern was right all along.
I feel like I got demoted from General Dumbass to Major Dumbass by this video. WHY did I never think to naval invade with the Northern forces? Could have saved myself so many painful runs lol.
10:11 I’ll say it: There is practically no useful difference between the two. Stability bonuses only help in rare situations and consumer goods are just as useful (if not worse given focuses LOVE to give consumer goods bonuses). Both features are so watered down that you should really just go with whoever you think looks cooler or deserves it more.
@@3dcomrade I should’ve said why each bonus is basically worthless. All consumer goods bonuses are made irrelevant by Total Mobilization (and Women in the workforce), and the various methods of gaining base stability usually render things that give you stability pretty much worthless. Neither bonus has anything unique and useful enough to merit picking him over the other. But in this situation, Xavier has the cooler portrait so I’d go with him anyways.
@@3dcomrade I never said he gave base stability. My point is that usually you can get 100% stability WITHOUT any bonuses making said bonuses usually irrelevant. The Party Popularity modifier is also usually enough to counteract stuff like being at war and doing Women in the Workforce.
Speaking of broken things from LaR, the "Congress of Paris" focus doesn't give claims to the new states in Africa they in 1.12 (?), although I haven't check if they fixed it yet.
This isn't the first time such a thing has happened I recall the Soviet Airforce Debuff also not having an effect at some point Now I wonder if there's anything else like these
I think we need to do more testing. I've played hundreds of games but today as Germany brand new game is the first time I've ever seen the Carlist spawn, and I was helping the Nationalists. I wonder if the garrisons the nationalists AI goes for has changed or has a chance to be more random which could affect the Carlist spawn chance... Or just a coincidence
@Dedelblute3 They also get the same buffs to recruitble pop, but they don't get the same bonuses for political power, division recovery rate, division defense/attack, and breakthrough
Well, Falangist Spain can core now most of the Americas including southern US and Portugal so it got broken too, Anarchists can core everything but it's too costly and it needs a lot of time to do since you literally core per province
@@TasukuMuncha One of the first things you do as a victorious Anarchist Spain is to cause a civil war in Portugal and form anarchist Iberia. That gives you Macau from which you can invade China for a bunch more manpower. The time required for coring states you get doesn’t change how powerful it is to get more cores. More cores are better than no more cores.
@@Dedelblute3 You can do this strat with carlist too, in a way more safe option to go into china because you can form a colaboration government in Macau quickly with the compliance guy and that government has cores in all china, making it free to invade since you don't require garrisons anymore there
Question: Does anything wierd happen with the second order civil wars (carlists/anarchists) if you somehow beat the Republicans/Nationalists before they rebel?
I did consider retroactively amending the Spain ranking to reflect this development, but it wasn't the only path affected by this. The Falangist and Second Republic paths' attack buffs were also broken. I'm not sure it would've changed any of their positions on the ranking, since there were other factors that caused them to be placed where they were. But we'll never know, as we didn't know then.
How is it only known retroactively?
Cause I meant retrospectively and it took nearly six hours for anyone to notice the difference. lol.
@@BubblesZest Oh in the new update it was only found? Wait people actually did not discover this before?
Maybe the Crusade Against Democracy buffs was the friends we made along the way?
0 x 0 = 0
@@BubblesZest😞
I genuinely had zero idea it never applied the buffs. It always seemed strong but I guess it was a Placebo?
next update we will learn that half of the focuses/spirit considered OP was actually placebo... i'm kinda surprised that nobody checked if the buffs actually apply in game before this patch
From the patch notes it seems that it could either be that it wasnt granting it at all, or that it only granted jt partially
The same thing happened with the Soviet Air Force debuffs.
I’d like Paradox to do an April fools where they just turn off all the national spirits without telling us. Some people might take a comically large amount of time to figure out if anything’s different.
Actually felt it tbh
It was broken because the spirit used the modifiers offence / defence which didn't work, they got switched to army_attack_factor / army_defence_factor.
what surprising me more is that you just knew that recently.
most of us in chinese community are already knew that been a thing.
Well it had been four years! You'd've thought someone would've brought it up by now! I didn't have any reason to suspect it.
@@Tom-oj7si Cringe, and also reading comprehension.
@@Tom-oj7si keep secrets? Maybe you could just learn chinese and read and listen to what they are speaking about?
@@carnelianexile it was a joke lol. Guangxi _Clique_ CC _Clique_
@@BubblesZest true, never think about they will fix it.
7:45, I don't think you should do "Confirm the Fueros" until you control all of the autonomous regions of Spain. Because it doesn't removes the modifier even after the war ends, which is kinda annoying when you're trying to build factories or get more recourses from regions like Galicia or Basque Country
Several hours late for this save. lol
18:55 It's rather frustrating that while you can form the Kingdom of Franco-Spain AS Spain, you specifically need France to have gone down the Carlist path to do so, unlike France, which simply requires you to have Spain as a puppet.
@@colBoh You mean the Monarchist path? Or the Monarchist-Bourbon path exclusively?
I noticed this problem a while ago while playing with a friend. I sent a few divisions to help him and checked the stats to show him the bonus from the Spirit. Those weren't there for some reason but i thought it just doesnt show up. Now this proofes my concern was right all along.
I feel like I got demoted from General Dumbass to Major Dumbass by this video.
WHY did I never think to naval invade with the Northern forces? Could have saved myself so many painful runs lol.
Last time I tried to invade the UK they had like 100 units there, in like 39 or 40
10:11 I’ll say it: There is practically no useful difference between the two. Stability bonuses only help in rare situations and consumer goods are just as useful (if not worse given focuses LOVE to give consumer goods bonuses). Both features are so watered down that you should really just go with whoever you think looks cooler or deserves it more.
Stability is more useful. Consumer goods bonusee only reduces the factor demanded. With each successive bonuses reducing less and less consumer goods
@@3dcomrade I should’ve said why each bonus is basically worthless. All consumer goods bonuses are made irrelevant by Total Mobilization (and Women in the workforce), and the various methods of gaining base stability usually render things that give you stability pretty much worthless. Neither bonus has anything unique and useful enough to merit picking him over the other. But in this situation, Xavier has the cooler portrait so I’d go with him anyways.
@@Dedelblute3 Xavier gives 10% extra stability. Not base but extra stability
It adds up additively
@@3dcomrade I never said he gave base stability. My point is that usually you can get 100% stability WITHOUT any bonuses making said bonuses usually irrelevant. The Party Popularity modifier is also usually enough to counteract stuff like being at war and doing Women in the Workforce.
Speaking of broken things from LaR, the "Congress of Paris" focus doesn't give claims to the new states in Africa they in 1.12 (?), although I haven't check if they fixed it yet.
This isn't the first time such a thing has happened
I recall the Soviet Airforce Debuff also not having an effect at some point
Now I wonder if there's anything else like these
I think we need to do more testing. I've played hundreds of games but today as Germany brand new game is the first time I've ever seen the Carlist spawn, and I was helping the Nationalists. I wonder if the garrisons the nationalists AI goes for has changed or has a chance to be more random which could affect the Carlist spawn chance... Or just a coincidence
holy shit you and isp ON THE SAME MINUTE
17:00
That’s wrong, Anarchist Spain is _technically_ stronger since they can core literally everything.
@Dedelblute3 They also get the same buffs to recruitble pop, but they don't get the same bonuses for political power, division recovery rate, division defense/attack, and breakthrough
@@Sapphire_Gaming_Sr That’s true, but Anarchist Spain gets their own bonuses and frankly being able to get a bunch more cores is a lot more powerful.
Well, Falangist Spain can core now most of the Americas including southern US and Portugal so it got broken too, Anarchists can core everything but it's too costly and it needs a lot of time to do since you literally core per province
@@TasukuMuncha One of the first things you do as a victorious Anarchist Spain is to cause a civil war in Portugal and form anarchist Iberia. That gives you Macau from which you can invade China for a bunch more manpower. The time required for coring states you get doesn’t change how powerful it is to get more cores. More cores are better than no more cores.
@@Dedelblute3 You can do this strat with carlist too, in a way more safe option to go into china because you can form a colaboration government in Macau quickly with the compliance guy and that government has cores in all china, making it free to invade since you don't require garrisons anymore there
“Alicantee is free, says ever brit ever” i beg for context…
Benidorm. It's always Benidorm.
I'm gonna assume your use of _that_ version of the thumbnail at 0:28 was intentional. Cause if not... 🤣
Question: Does anything wierd happen with the second order civil wars (carlists/anarchists) if you somehow beat the Republicans/Nationalists before they rebel?
Nope. The timer for them to rebel still exist
Pro tip. Speed up the speed of the video
Just gave it a go. Couldn't get naval supremacy. First time the Wilhelmshaven strat didn't work.
I never called it a strat, it was always luck.
@@BubblesZest Fair enough. Thank you for responding.
Any chance you can do an All Italian Branches ranked?
Can you make video ranking all of the political Soviet leaders that you are able to get?
How did you become France at the very end? How does your Free French puppet just annex Vichy? I've never seen either of these things before.
You laugh in rich
Hey man can you rank the United States path?
You're so cute
Thanks lil bro appreciate big dawg
@@hunter_4219 no problem boy
@@motivationalmadness10 no diddy tho
You should expand into other HOI4 mods like KR/KX, Red Flood, and try all the different paths.