I own a 2018 100% electric Ioniq and I agree with most od what was said here. I have a level 2 charger at home that cost me 400$ CAD (electrical and L2 charger) after incentives and I also got 8000$ CAD off for the car (incentives). This made the car very affordable. I drive about 40 kilometers a day with it so range is indeed a non-issue. I also use it for trips from time to time but here in Quebec Canada, we have a pretty good network of fast charging stations. It takes about 30 minutes to charge with these. At home, I charge at night. It takes about 2 hours to get a full charge. Also, electricity here in Canada is produced from hydro power so it's clean. With the good environment, I would say this car is the way to go. Personaly, I love it.
Hello, I am from Norway. Here, because of government incentives, we have a LOT of EVs. This also means that the fast charger network is much bigger than in most other countries. My family owns a tiny 2013 model VW e-up EV, and even with a measly 100 mile range, it can actually go on longer trips because of these fast chargers. I took some friends on a roadtrip with me this summer, and it works surprisingly well. Drive for 1 hour -> charge at a fast charger for 10 minutes, and drive on. Yes, it takes a few minutes longer than with a gas car, but it is so much cheaper. So we have often used the little e-up for longer trips just to save money on fuel. I think it is mostly an infrastructure problem. Once the real life range goes over 200-300 miles, AND you get a proper charging network, an EV can work as the single car for a family. In fact, we have only used our other car (a Volvo xc60 ) a few times this year, as the e-up does all the basic workhorse stuff. It is not available in the US however, but it is too small for you anyway (as I understand it as americans don't really buy small cars?) Good and interesting video, I am a bit shocked how much the front wheels are loosing traction. Looking at diagrams, the Ioniq seems to have most of the weight in the back, so perhaps some stronger rear springs would help? Anyway, I hope my comment isn't too long.
It costs about 3-4 dollars. The payment is time sensitive, so it's more like an expensive parking fee than paying for the power itself. Mind you, petrol is really expensive here (an electric power too, so most monetary perspectives are different to the US or the rest of the world-keep that in mind). On a trip using nothing but fast chargers, we use about half of what we would if we used petrol or diesel. But the real cost savings is when we just use the car for "normal" driving, as my dad use it every day for commuting 1 hour to work (then he charges it there for free). We normally charge it at home overnight,which costs almost nothing( 0.2 dollars per 10 km) so we have saved tens of thousand of dollars over they years we have had it. No signs of battery degradation either. Cost wise, an EV is much better than a conventional car in all other ways than starting cost. As a commuter car, I think they do the job perfectly. However, in other parts of the world I can see why people are waiting for the "long range" cars that will appear in a short amount of time. Sorry for the long answer, but I wanted to elaborate a bit how the system works. :)
just like me. i bought an older Nissan Leaf because of all the tollroads here in Vestfold and up to oslo. and planed to use it on a daily bases and use the Nissan Qashqai when going up to the cabin or visiting my grandparents. but the fast charger network is just too good that i dont really need any other car than the leaf. towing alot in the summer so im keeping both but daym, i really love the electric drive!
I have to say this was one of the best IONIQ reviews I have seen on youtube. The amount of detail you covered and video shown of the engine bay and undercarriage was much better than all the reviews I have seen on this car. I find too many reviewers are stuck on the idea that the car isnt fast and sporty, even though the goal of the car is to be economical. I am glad this review was non-biased.
You're missing the point when it comes to EVs and being green. Sure, manufacturing batteries isn't green, making the car and the steel and everything else that went into the material sourcing likely isn't green....but neither is every other car in existence from a materials standpoint. The big difference that makes it green is the massive reduction in pollution and CO2 as a result of the banishment of oil use. Oil has to be drilled, transported, refined and transported again only to then be burned at 30% or less efficiency. That all adds up to a massive difference between an ICE and an EV, even when that EV is being charged from one of the less clean power sources like coal.
+Son37Lumiere And the question is does that offset the mining and global production of battery packs, including disposal, refurbishment and energy costs to build a charging grid, transporting and producing chargers and most importantly the impact on the power grid switching from fueling stations to charging 10s of millions of cars all of the time, most of which will use coal power plants for charging. The fact that you can't get a straight answer to that is enough proof its not as green as purported. (I am not pro big oil by any stretch)
Yes, it still is even with all that factored in. There are many reasons for that. I actually have a pretty good chart that compares ICE to electric in terms of total CO2 output between the two, which also includes differences in power sources, efficiencies and losses but I can't seem to find it online and don't have a means to upload it right now. However here is a link to a study done by the union of concerned scientists. www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissions Lithium batteries are nontoxic and recyclable for one, they actually make for great power storage once retired from a vehicle. Chargers are not difficult to manufacture and do not use rare earth metals or any other material in any significant amount. The power grid already exists, it will need to be upgraded in order to support many millions more vehicles yes but not to the extent I believe you think. Most power stations sit idle at night when a lot of these would be charging, it's actually better for the power station to ramp up use because efficiency drops when they sit idle. As of 2016 electricity derived from coal in the US only accounts for 30% of the entire grid according to the EIA and that is decreasing since natural gas is more economical regardless and renewable continues to grow, at which point pollution becomes almost zero. This will all further improve in the future since solar panels and batteries continue to drop in price and improve in efficiency and energy density.
The true test to see which is greener is easy and can be done at home. Simply drive your ICE car into the garage and close the garage door. Then whilst sat in the car drop the windows and start the engine. See how you feel after 15 minutes. Then, if you can, repeat the experiment with an EV and see how you feel. Simples!
Thanks for giving an honest review, a lot of car reviewers will gloss over or even ignore negative aspects of newly released cars. Especially your commentary on the "greeness" of cars, because most people have been sold on the MPG number alone and don't consider the background information. You are doing a great service to the car review community and I hope others can follow your example.
Excellent points about "greenness" in the end (19:04). Manufacturers should take them to heart, and consumers should ask for that information. Now Bolt review, please.
It's been 3 years since this review and Hyundai came out with an updated car this year. It would be great to see a revisit review. Would be even better to compare the PHEV and the EV. As always, great review from you.
Thanks this review is great and reflects exactly my half day experience with this car. My wife just went into the car and drove it without any instructions (she had only experience with gasoline car before and one converted electric car). For sure this will be the next family car. As I have a 230V /16A outlet at home this car full charges easily over night.
To properly compare environmental impact of an EV with a gasoline vehicle, it does make sense to consider the entire vehicle lifetime. You got that right. But you have to do the same for the gasoline vehicle too. That includes impact of extracting oil from the ground, refining it, and transporting the gasoline to the station. It also includes all the oil used for the dozens of oil changes required over the life of the vehicle. And then there's the impact of air pollution from car exhaust in cities, where humans are concentrated. Given all that, there is no way this car is anywhere near as bad for the environment as an Elantra.
A simple answer is that an EV is a significant improvement environmentally, as stated in the response above. All we can do is make meaningful efforts at cleaning up the terrible mess we are making on our planet. Even though they may be manufactured in similar ways, EVs are a significant step in the right direction compared to ICE vehicles, because they are so much more efficient utilizing energy. Even if your electricity used is generated with coal, your gasoline was probably refined using a large amount of the same “dirty”electricity, and then you get to burn the gas to run your vehicle. That’s not including the energy used for exploration, fracking/drilling , pumping out of the ground, and transportation of the oil to the refinery and the gas to the station. Green is not an absolute, it is a process. Greener, might be more accurate. We did not evolve out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones. It is time to move on and clean up our home.
Agreed. If EVs were worse for the environment overall, someone would have written a white paper about it instead of random rumors on the web. Besides, I think one of the problems is that people aren't willing to accept EVs because they are NOT perfect. It'll take time to get EVs right. We can incrementally get to a state of more efficient transportation - things aren't going to just be revolutionized over night. In the meantime, we can try and incorporate small improvements into the process of building a vehicle, like the recycled materials on the Ioniq's interior.
Hey, you noted at the end of the review that Hyundai doesn't have any data for the Ioniq EV. You may be interested to know that the Union of Concerned Scientists does rate the efficiency of the Ioniq EV and its rated higher than a Tesla Model S. Pretty good.
Is the power in homes in the US that bad? Most houses here in Sweden have 400v 3phase 16A. And many have 20 or 25A (3-phase) as the main fuse. Our standard outlet is 230v 16A. I charge my hybrid at that speed. Gives me about 3,7kWh per hour. Would be like at least 17miles per hour (about 27km). So with 8-9 hours charging during the night, you would have a full battery even if you came home with nothing left. (and how often would you do that?)
It's a great review, thanks. Special thanks for showing underpinnings and not spending half an hour talking about sorts of plastic on every interior detail, like often done in other reviews, haha
Considering Elon hasn't figured out how to mass produce the Model 3 yet, good luck. I think he's too busy trying to get enough taxpayer dollars to build a colony on Mars.
Yup. Doug's recent Model 3 review and any criticism will bring the Tesla cult on your head. I don't want to use names, but there is a particular woman who almost appeared on every comment defending Tesla.
Your explanation of the impact of efficiency seems odd to me. Most EV buyers will have to pay for the electricity they use to charge their car. A more efficient EV uses less electricity per mile, so it costs less to operate.
I'm curious as to where you get the 15 hour trickle charge time from. Everything I have seen on real world use points to 9 hours, 12 hours max, if you use the lowest 1kw charge setting and are charging from virtually 0. Either way it's just overnight. And if you need more in a hurry you just fast charge. I've been talking to taxi/uber users and they have not had problems - quite the opposite - the smaller battery pack means that you can quick charge it in 20 min (about the same as it takes to fuel up where I live) , but they say they hardly ever have to.
Leasing a 2021 Ionic Electric Limited, and I'm very tempted to keep this after the 3rd year. If you have a chance to check in on this again, please do.
Actually, including the environmental impact of producing a battery the dirty way, electric vehicles will still produce less co2 over the life of the car than an efficient gasoline vehicle if you drive it for more than a few years.
@savagegeese Can your contacts at Hyundai tell you when their PHEV version is going to "really" come out. First it was going to be in the Fall of 2017 and then it was pushed off to Winter 2018. Also if you contacts can let you know if the PHEV will be a "nationwide" launch or just in Californa Thanks. Great video reviews by the way...
I can't speak for the manufacturing but in terms of where you get your electricity from, even if it's from a coal power plant, the energy balance (and emissions) are still in favor of the EV. If you want proof of this (I'm an engineer) I can supply it to you or do some derivations on a reddit page. The manufacturing and OEM points you made are very valid though (and in terms of Lithium, only a small percentage of the cell composition contain it).
i think it will drive fine with sporty 17" 225 tires. but indeed all fwd EVs should have a proper limited slip diff and/or a better traction control system. with a small turbo 4 cylinder traction is not a problem because that always has turbo lag and the power comes in slower. but with the electric motor its instant and just brakes the tires loose. and you have no noise so you tend to step on it more because it doesnt feel like abuse.
I have an Ioniq hybrid with 17" rims. The ride is quite hard compared to my previous car (2015 Corolla), and I wish I had 15 or 16 rims. When I'll need to change the tires, I will look into downgrading to 15/16 with lighter and cheaper steel rims. Will probably save me some money with the tires being cheaper and selling the 17 rims on Ebay.
EXCELLENT video review - my highest kudos. I LIKE Hyundai products. And I really like the Ioniq, although if I were to swing this way, it would be the hybrid that I would purchase. Real world, I'm leaning towards the 2018/19 Accent. Thanks for your high level review(s), I am impressed.
+Rr rr I still think they're one of the more forward companies that listens has a younger mindset but a lot of the decisions in terms of design come from Korea. I think as a brand they're excellent to deal with but like every company especially Automotive companies they have some issues.
THE FINE PRINT OF: Vehicle “Platforms” would be a great video, explaining all the intricacies and costs of development and why it’s rarer and rarer to have new platforms for a single car, which is 1 of many things contributing to fewer dedicated sports cars. Etc. Especially exploring what makes a platform modular vs. the older approach, a concept I understand but can’t pretend to fully know how it’s accomplished
It's 4 yrs old, and the Ioniq was the first-ever best looker, hybrid for here, and EV, waiting to be sold across gas alley US. The new Honda Insight is now just catching up!!! The New Elantra will be the Ioniqs new Mass carriage. Probably beating out the E-Niro, E-Soul, and E-Kona. Plus whatever else I miss. The Ioniq has always been a eye-catcher.
When they talk about being green they are referring to running the car, in the UK much of our electricity is from renewable sources with only a small amount from coal. All our homes have 13 amp 240 volt supplies as standard so charging is easier and now Shell and BP are currently installing super chargers in their forecourts although slowly
This is very appealing to me. My commute to school is 20 miles. My commute to work is 5. Theoretically, I could drive to and from school and work about 3 days before I'd have to charge. Considering I could charge every night, that wouldn't be an issue. However, for the occasional long trip, in Illinois, it really becomes an issue. For that reason, I'd rather just get the hybrid
Beware if you live in a hot or cold climate. Battery life is dependent on battery temperatures. Too hot and too cold = less actual battery capacity. Worst case, you may make it to work/school, but you may not make it back home even on a full charge.
That depends. My car gets around 20 MPG, so with my 8-mile commute, I end up spending a little over $80 a month on gas. I would say that adds up over time. Many people have more efficient cars, like my wife, whose car gets about 35 MPG combined, but have longer commutes, thus using just as much fuel. Also, there's convenience in an EV of not having to even stop by the gas station. And, the maintenance costs should be lower as well - no oil changes, for one thing. So, it's not just about the fuel anyway.
If you only go a few miles here and a few miles there and only use for example 10% of the battery a day, you could get along just fine with a Level 1 charger.
Drove this car a few days ago, as a Leaf driver this car is way ahead of Nissan. If Hyundai can produce enough of them, it deserves to sell really well. Equipment levels are amazing, compare that to the e-Golf! For most people it's as good as a Tesla S- but at a third of the price (which I've also driven). Did you try the self-steering and radar cruise control features by the way?
Ok no one is going to buy an economy ev and whip that thing like a tesla. It's like comparing a prius to an s550. Everyone thinks that because a car is electric they automatically compare it to a tesla.
Can you do a review of the BMW i3? I just bought a fully loaded 2014 lease return for $16k that was $51k MSRP new. I don't think people realized how affordable these have gotten.
Awesome analysis, how green is your machine! BTW Zero Emissions stickers and tags seem like such a bit of false advertising considering most electricity is made by burning something somewhere else. Nobody wants to have a serious conversation on the full Total energy used to create the transportation.
Anybody done the straight cost of ownership math on something like this over like 10-12 years? Seems to me we're still some years off when you can get a traditional Yaris ia/compact for 16k when this thing is 30-32k. Although I guess the same could be said for most hybrids compared to non-hybrid models.
Yeah that traction loss on the wheels when pulling away left and right from junctions is annoying. But i have to say, the only annoying thing about owning one. I do 90 miles per day round commute to and from work and charging it costs me around £1.40 in electric costs. Considering I was spending around £11 per day on fuel in my mercedes e class 2.1 desiel it's fair to say it's a money saver
I didn't find that was the case for my Nissan Leaf. It did have more inspections than I would have expected but it never cost me anything to have them done.
This is the most cost-efficient electric car so far. In America, it costs $29.5K. After the $7.5 federal tax rebate, it costs just $22K, making it a real ECONOMY car. With the much lower price of electricity than gasoline, it's definitely a Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla killer. However, it's range is only 124 miles.
Actually, it seems, the whole debate about climate change and the effect of CO2's on it. Is really overblown. Your points about the production of such cars are really lucid. Nice review.
Total carbon footprint should also include disposal/recycling of the car. PragerU did a pretty good look at this. With current technology, it just isn't there yet. You pay more for similar, if not worse, carbon footprint. This isn't a ding on Hyundai; this is true for any OEM pitching these types of cars.
The total carbon footprint really depends on how many miles you intend to put on the car. Based on a comparison between mid-sized EV and gasoline vehicles, you'd need to drive at least 60K miles on the EV to overcome the initial carbon impact of manufacturing the car. Trouble is, most EV's on the road have 36K mile leases, and the owner just leases another one every 3 years in perpetuity. Sure, the off lease car will be sold to someone else - but that doesn't change the fact there is another 4000 pound hunk of steel, glass, batteries, and petrochemicals on the road every three years. PragerU goes a little over the deep end in their bias against EV's. EV's are a good thing, I just don't think people own them long enough to make a real difference in the environment as some think they do.
I bought one about 4 months ago as it only arrived in Australia this year with the 2019 model. The range for me is perfectly adequate and definitely suits and I use the granny charger exclusively which is fine for me takes 7-14hrs or overnight. Now you talk about 'green car' then ask the question how much environmental damage is done from the Oil industry have you looked at Well-to-Wheel before you look at the battery manufacturing plus the majority of that battery is recyclable and will last a very long time, recently Nissan had a report and the battery in the leaf will outlast the car, and I can regen my 'fuel' cannot do that in an ICE car never mind second-life for the battery in home/building storage solutions. Otherwise good review.
I know little to nothing about electric vehicles but those exposed wires and plug to the left at 6:49 look like something that road debris like a piece of tree would easily rip out or destroy
I own a 2018 100% electric Ioniq and I agree with most od what was said here. I have a level 2 charger at home that cost me 400$ CAD (electrical and L2 charger) after incentives and I also got 8000$ CAD off for the car (incentives). This made the car very affordable. I drive about 40 kilometers a day with it so range is indeed a non-issue. I also use it for trips from time to time but here in Quebec Canada, we have a pretty good network of fast charging stations. It takes about 30 minutes to charge with these. At home, I charge at night. It takes about 2 hours to get a full charge. Also, electricity here in Canada is produced from hydro power so it's clean. With the good environment, I would say this car is the way to go. Personaly, I love it.
Hello, I am from Norway. Here, because of government incentives, we have a LOT of EVs. This also means that the fast charger network is much bigger than in most other countries. My family owns a tiny 2013 model VW e-up EV, and even with a measly 100 mile range, it can actually go on longer trips because of these fast chargers. I took some friends on a roadtrip with me this summer, and it works surprisingly well.
Drive for 1 hour -> charge at a fast charger for 10 minutes, and drive on. Yes, it takes a few minutes longer than with a gas car, but it is so much cheaper. So we have often used the little e-up for longer trips just to save money on fuel. I think it is mostly an infrastructure problem. Once the real life range goes over 200-300 miles, AND you get a proper charging network, an EV can work as the single car for a family. In fact, we have only used our other car (a Volvo xc60 ) a few times this year, as the e-up does all the basic workhorse stuff. It is not available in the US however, but it is too small for you anyway (as I understand it as americans don't really buy small cars?)
Good and interesting video, I am a bit shocked how much the front wheels are loosing traction. Looking at diagrams, the Ioniq seems to have most of the weight in the back, so perhaps some stronger rear springs would help? Anyway, I hope my comment isn't too long.
Just curious - what does it cost you to charge for 10-15 min?
MrKikoboy I believe it’s covered with their taxes.....so no cost every time they charge.
It costs about 3-4 dollars. The payment is time sensitive, so it's more like an expensive parking fee than paying for the power itself. Mind you, petrol is really expensive here (an electric power too, so most monetary perspectives are different to the US or the rest of the world-keep that in mind).
On a trip using nothing but fast chargers, we use about half of what we would if we used petrol or diesel. But the real cost savings is when we just use the car for "normal" driving, as my dad use it every day for commuting 1 hour to work (then he charges it there for free).
We normally charge it at home overnight,which costs almost nothing( 0.2 dollars per 10 km) so we have saved tens of thousand of dollars over they years we have had it. No signs of battery degradation either.
Cost wise, an EV is much better than a conventional car in all other ways than starting cost. As a commuter car, I think they do the job perfectly. However, in other parts of the world I can see why people are waiting for the "long range" cars that will appear in a short amount of time.
Sorry for the long answer, but I wanted to elaborate a bit how the system works. :)
just like me. i bought an older Nissan Leaf because of all the tollroads here in Vestfold and up to oslo.
and planed to use it on a daily bases and use the Nissan Qashqai when going up to the cabin or visiting my grandparents.
but the fast charger network is just too good that i dont really need any other car than the leaf.
towing alot in the summer so im keeping both but daym, i really love the electric drive!
MrKikoboy i think its free in Norway. I could be wrong though
If your workplace has free charging on site, an electric car makes for an awesome commuter.
stupid korea china copy cars
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I have to say this was one of the best IONIQ reviews I have seen on youtube. The amount of detail you covered and video shown of the engine bay and undercarriage was much better than all the reviews I have seen on this car. I find too many reviewers are stuck on the idea that the car isnt fast and sporty, even though the goal of the car is to be economical. I am glad this review was non-biased.
nater51 ikr. He is a clever reviewer.
You're missing the point when it comes to EVs and being green. Sure, manufacturing batteries isn't green, making the car and the steel and everything else that went into the material sourcing likely isn't green....but neither is every other car in existence from a materials standpoint. The big difference that makes it green is the massive reduction in pollution and CO2 as a result of the banishment of oil use. Oil has to be drilled, transported, refined and transported again only to then be burned at 30% or less efficiency. That all adds up to a massive difference between an ICE and an EV, even when that EV is being charged from one of the less clean power sources like coal.
+Son37Lumiere And the question is does that offset the mining and global production of battery packs, including disposal, refurbishment and energy costs to build a charging grid, transporting and producing chargers and most importantly the impact on the power grid switching from fueling stations to charging 10s of millions of cars all of the time, most of which will use coal power plants for charging. The fact that you can't get a straight answer to that is enough proof its not as green as purported. (I am not pro big oil by any stretch)
Yes, it still is even with all that factored in. There are many reasons for that. I actually have a pretty good chart that compares ICE to electric in terms of total CO2 output between the two, which also includes differences in power sources, efficiencies and losses but I can't seem to find it online and don't have a means to upload it right now. However here is a link to a study done by the union of concerned scientists. www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/life-cycle-ev-emissions
Lithium batteries are nontoxic and recyclable for one, they actually make for great power storage once retired from a vehicle. Chargers are not difficult to manufacture and do not use rare earth metals or any other material in any significant amount. The power grid already exists, it will need to be upgraded in order to support many millions more vehicles yes but not to the extent I believe you think. Most power stations sit idle at night when a lot of these would be charging, it's actually better for the power station to ramp up use because efficiency drops when they sit idle. As of 2016 electricity derived from coal in the US only accounts for 30% of the entire grid according to the EIA and that is decreasing since natural gas is more economical regardless and renewable continues to grow, at which point pollution becomes almost zero. This will all further improve in the future since solar panels and batteries continue to drop in price and improve in efficiency and energy density.
The true test to see which is greener is easy and can be done at home. Simply drive your ICE car into the garage and close the garage door. Then whilst sat in the car drop the windows and start the engine. See how you feel after 15 minutes. Then, if you can, repeat the experiment with an EV and see how you feel. Simples!
Where I live the electric power plants burn coal. So if I owned this car it would be coal powered. Not very green.
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It would still emit less pollution than internal combustion even when powered by coal.
this is the absolute best review of this car ever... also the ending when you speak of how green it is, is just awesome.
Thanks for giving an honest review, a lot of car reviewers will gloss over or even ignore negative aspects of newly released cars. Especially your commentary on the "greeness" of cars, because most people have been sold on the MPG number alone and don't consider the background information. You are doing a great service to the car review community and I hope others can follow your example.
Excellent points about "greenness" in the end (19:04). Manufacturers should take them to heart, and consumers should ask for that information.
Now Bolt review, please.
You're great! I could listen to you for hours on end.
Loved the comment at the end. Puts it all in perspective. Keep up the great work!
I subbed for the geese and stayed for the great car review. Keep up the good work!
Best review! Last question is so important and no one even knows the answer. Glad there are smart people out there.
It's been 3 years since this review and Hyundai came out with an updated car this year. It would be great to see a revisit review. Would be even better to compare the PHEV and the EV. As always, great review from you.
Thanks this review is great and reflects exactly my half day experience with this car. My wife just went into the car and drove it without any instructions (she had only experience with gasoline car before and one converted electric car). For sure this will be the next family car. As I have a 230V /16A outlet at home this car full charges easily over night.
I've watched a lot of Ioniq Electric reviews and yours is the only one I can remember that asks the question about degradation. Thanks for that.
thank you, this was probably the best and most precise description of exactly what the Ioniq is all about and why I will be picking one up Friday
You are the best in this dying platform, congrats as always, if you made a 6 hours movie i probably watch it twice
To properly compare environmental impact of an EV with a gasoline vehicle, it does make sense to consider the entire vehicle lifetime. You got that right. But you have to do the same for the gasoline vehicle too. That includes impact of extracting oil from the ground, refining it, and transporting the gasoline to the station. It also includes all the oil used for the dozens of oil changes required over the life of the vehicle. And then there's the impact of air pollution from car exhaust in cities, where humans are concentrated. Given all that, there is no way this car is anywhere near as bad for the environment as an Elantra.
A simple answer is that an EV is a significant improvement environmentally, as stated in the response above. All we can do is make meaningful efforts at cleaning up the terrible mess we are making on our planet. Even though they may be manufactured in similar ways, EVs are a significant step in the right direction compared to ICE vehicles, because they are so much more efficient utilizing energy. Even if your electricity used is generated with coal, your gasoline was probably refined using a large amount of the same “dirty”electricity, and then you get to burn the gas to run your vehicle. That’s not including the energy used for exploration, fracking/drilling , pumping out of the ground, and transportation of the oil to the refinery and the gas to the station. Green is not an absolute, it is a process. Greener, might be more accurate. We did not evolve out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones. It is time to move on and clean up our home.
Peter Epstein the sad part is a lot of people don't care about the environment
Thank you. The whole "EVs are worse for the environment" myth is getting tiring, as it has been debunked numerous times.
Agreed. If EVs were worse for the environment overall, someone would have written a white paper about it instead of random rumors on the web. Besides, I think one of the problems is that people aren't willing to accept EVs because they are NOT perfect. It'll take time to get EVs right. We can incrementally get to a state of more efficient transportation - things aren't going to just be revolutionized over night. In the meantime, we can try and incorporate small improvements into the process of building a vehicle, like the recycled materials on the Ioniq's interior.
Hey, you noted at the end of the review that Hyundai doesn't have any data for the Ioniq EV. You may be interested to know that the Union of Concerned Scientists does rate the efficiency of the Ioniq EV and its rated higher than a Tesla Model S. Pretty good.
Amazing review. As always
Best and honest review so far! Good job
Is the power in homes in the US that bad? Most houses here in Sweden have 400v 3phase 16A. And many have 20 or 25A (3-phase) as the main fuse.
Our standard outlet is 230v 16A. I charge my hybrid at that speed. Gives me about 3,7kWh per hour. Would be like at least 17miles per hour (about 27km). So with 8-9 hours charging during the night, you would have a full battery even if you came home with nothing left. (and how often would you do that?)
It's a great review, thanks. Special thanks for showing underpinnings and not spending half an hour talking about sorts of plastic on every interior detail, like often done in other reviews, haha
I was just watching an old veloster review where you panned to a savage geese license plate. Where can i buy one?!
Great revue. Thank you sir
The macro carbon footprint was an excellent highlight. Great review.
excellent review thanks !
Can't wait for you to get a model 3 and give a honest non-fanboy review.
He should wait for the 200 miles + range 2018 Ioniq ev.
Considering Elon hasn't figured out how to mass produce the Model 3 yet, good luck. I think he's too busy trying to get enough taxpayer dollars to build a colony on Mars.
Yup. Doug's recent Model 3 review and any criticism will bring the Tesla cult on your head. I don't want to use names, but there is a particular woman who almost appeared on every comment defending Tesla.
Not a chance, SG is gonna trash it - the Model 3 is a crap car
Watch Doug Demuro's review
Your explanation of the impact of efficiency seems odd to me. Most EV buyers will have to pay for the electricity they use to charge their car. A more efficient EV uses less electricity per mile, so it costs less to operate.
+Peter Epstein Typically EVs don't cost very much to charge, the big hit is in the initial cost of the car.
I'm curious as to where you get the 15 hour trickle charge time from. Everything I have seen on real world use points to 9 hours, 12 hours max, if you use the lowest 1kw charge setting and are charging from virtually 0. Either way it's just overnight. And if you need more in a hurry you just fast charge.
I've been talking to taxi/uber users and they have not had problems - quite the opposite - the smaller battery pack means that you can quick charge it in 20 min (about the same as it takes to fuel up where I live) , but they say they hardly ever have to.
Congratulations from Argentina. Great video, exelent explication
Only for sale in Cali? Do they only lease them outside Cali? I've seen several on the road in Mass.
I'm glad you brought up the sourcing, etc.
They need to provide a Nutrition Facts-type thing along with the Window Sticker.
I’m curious whether under trays are going to end most rust over the long term, or just create other issues.
Did you get the wind sound effect at the end of the video from "Potatoman Seeks the Troof"?
Leasing a 2021 Ionic Electric Limited, and I'm very tempted to keep this after the 3rd year.
If you have a chance to check in on this again, please do.
Actually, including the environmental impact of producing a battery the dirty way, electric vehicles will still produce less co2 over the life of the car than an efficient gasoline vehicle if you drive it for more than a few years.
@savagegeese Can your contacts at Hyundai tell you when their PHEV version is going to "really" come out. First it was going to be in the Fall of 2017 and then it was pushed off to Winter 2018.
Also if you contacts can let you know if the PHEV will be a "nationwide" launch or just in Californa
Thanks. Great video reviews by the way...
I can't speak for the manufacturing but in terms of where you get your electricity from, even if it's from a coal power plant, the energy balance (and emissions) are still in favor of the EV. If you want proof of this (I'm an engineer) I can supply it to you or do some derivations on a reddit page. The manufacturing and OEM points you made are very valid though (and in terms of Lithium, only a small percentage of the cell composition contain it).
Shame that You skipped the part of rarity..
Overall - as always great, honest and objective review. That is why I subscribed :)
great review
19” wheels too harsh , 16” too sloppy... we need 17.5” wheels 😬
or you know, 17" or 18" wheels - what's 1/2" between friends? room for Jesus, that's what
i think it will drive fine with sporty 17" 225 tires. but indeed all fwd EVs should have a proper limited slip diff and/or a better traction control system. with a small turbo 4 cylinder traction is not a problem because that always has turbo lag and the power comes in slower. but with the electric motor its instant and just brakes the tires loose. and you have no noise so you tend to step on it more because it doesnt feel like abuse.
I have an Ioniq hybrid with 17" rims.
The ride is quite hard compared to my previous car (2015 Corolla), and I wish I had 15 or 16 rims.
When I'll need to change the tires, I will look into downgrading to 15/16 with lighter and cheaper steel rims.
Will probably save me some money with the tires being cheaper and selling the 17 rims on Ebay.
i would like to know if the battery is crashed in an accident what will happen ?
Congrats on 90k, Mr. Goose!
+Wisedom Spreading Why thanks
Question: does regenerative braking activate the brake lights?
If it slows the car agressively then it needs to turn on the brake lights.
Yes it does in level 3 regen.
This guy's subscriber base is increasing.
Any idea when this car will come to NY?
EXCELLENT video review - my highest kudos. I LIKE Hyundai products. And I really like the Ioniq, although if I were to swing this way, it would be the hybrid that I would purchase. Real world, I'm leaning towards the 2018/19 Accent. Thanks for your high level review(s), I am impressed.
Hey Mark, based on your relations with Hyundai and the quality of their cars, how do you see them as a company?
+Rr rr I still think they're one of the more forward companies that listens has a younger mindset but a lot of the decisions in terms of design come from Korea. I think as a brand they're excellent to deal with but like every company especially Automotive companies they have some issues.
Saw one of these in Colorado. The back split glass reminds me of a veloster
THE FINE PRINT OF: Vehicle “Platforms” would be a great video, explaining all the intricacies and costs of development and why it’s rarer and rarer to have new platforms for a single car, which is 1 of many things contributing to fewer dedicated sports cars. Etc.
Especially exploring what makes a platform modular vs. the older approach, a concept I understand but can’t pretend to fully know how it’s accomplished
Why's it got reflectors on the inside of the door?
It's 4 yrs old, and the Ioniq was the first-ever best looker, hybrid for here, and EV, waiting to be sold across gas alley US. The new Honda Insight is now just catching up!!! The New Elantra will be the Ioniqs new Mass carriage. Probably beating out the E-Niro, E-Soul, and E-Kona. Plus whatever else I miss. The Ioniq has always been a eye-catcher.
When they talk about being green they are referring to running the car, in the UK much of our electricity is from renewable sources with only a small amount from coal. All our homes have 13 amp 240 volt supplies as standard so charging is easier and now Shell and BP are currently installing super chargers in their forecourts although slowly
Yo Mr. Goose, any chance you can get your hands on one of the new Range Rovers? I'd love to hear your and Turbowski's opinions
We're those skidmarks on that longer stretch of road you always stop and launch from yours?? Maybe from the hell cat or something?? :)
What the price of the battery to replace ?
This is very appealing to me. My commute to school is 20 miles. My commute to work is 5. Theoretically, I could drive to and from school and work about 3 days before I'd have to charge. Considering I could charge every night, that wouldn't be an issue. However, for the occasional long trip, in Illinois, it really becomes an issue. For that reason, I'd rather just get the hybrid
Dylan Wodrich Agree. If it's going to be the only car that you have. Defenetly go with hybrids. So you are not limited by the EV range.
Beware if you live in a hot or cold climate. Battery life is dependent on battery temperatures. Too hot and too cold = less actual battery capacity. Worst case, you may make it to work/school, but you may not make it back home even on a full charge.
But how much fuel would a normal car use? Not enough to justify purchasing a whole new car!
That depends. My car gets around 20 MPG, so with my 8-mile commute, I end up spending a little over $80 a month on gas. I would say that adds up over time. Many people have more efficient cars, like my wife, whose car gets about 35 MPG combined, but have longer commutes, thus using just as much fuel.
Also, there's convenience in an EV of not having to even stop by the gas station. And, the maintenance costs should be lower as well - no oil changes, for one thing. So, it's not just about the fuel anyway.
Dylan Wodrich long trip is not a problem with ioniq. Better to USE ionq on longer trip than bolt ev.
Looks like the KIA stinger is making its way around the UA-cam reviewer, hopefully you get it soon!!
I didn't know it came with a drum pad in the center console
Time for some Pilot Super Sports? or something with a stiffer sidewall, maybe try a different tire brand???
Looking forward to your Kia Stinger review!!!
I see a lot of people complain about charger cost. My 220v wall charger cost $250. The 220 wiring and double circuit breaker cost less than $100.
If you only go a few miles here and a few miles there and only use for example 10% of the battery a day, you could get along just fine with a Level 1 charger.
That true; or even 30% (unless you don't like to sleep at night!).
19:41 If EVs need to have that info, the petrol cars also need it so you could compare them, right?
good review, and that's exactly what you did...
I cannot wait for your kia stinger gt review
I think it's a great concept (the 3 modes of the same car), it's fairly cheap and it deserves to do well.
Drove this car a few days ago, as a Leaf driver this car is way ahead of Nissan. If Hyundai can produce enough of them, it deserves to sell really well. Equipment levels are amazing, compare that to the e-Golf! For most people it's as good as a Tesla S- but at a third of the price (which I've also driven). Did you try the self-steering and radar cruise control features by the way?
Ok no one is going to buy an economy ev and whip that thing like a tesla. It's like comparing a prius to an s550. Everyone thinks that because a car is electric they automatically compare it to a tesla.
it's more like comparing a prius to a ct200h
Jason Young Dude, the Ct200h is a previous gen Prius with a Lexus badge.
Simplex SM yeah, and one is an economy hybrid and one is a luxury economy hybrid
More like Prius VS BMW 3 series.
Can you blame them? Tesla is the standard.
20:00 Excellent review, but I think we should have the right to know the total environmental impact of ALL vehicles, ICE or EV.
You guys should do the Volt/Bolt next
Can you do a review of the BMW i3? I just bought a fully loaded 2014 lease return for $16k that was $51k MSRP new. I don't think people realized how affordable these have gotten.
It’s worth the 16k. I have one too. It lacks a lot but it drives extremely well.
Awesome analysis, how green is your machine! BTW Zero Emissions stickers and tags seem like such a bit of false advertising considering most electricity is made by burning something somewhere else. Nobody wants to have a serious conversation on the full Total energy used to create the transportation.
Beautiful design cars.
Would love to see a review for the Ioniq 6
lol when the subaruwrxfan music came on
Anybody done the straight cost of ownership math on something like this over like 10-12 years? Seems to me we're still some years off when you can get a traditional Yaris ia/compact for 16k when this thing is 30-32k. Although I guess the same could be said for most hybrids compared to non-hybrid models.
I'm guessing Turbowski loved it?
Yeah that traction loss on the wheels when pulling away left and right from junctions is annoying. But i have to say, the only annoying thing about owning one. I do 90 miles per day round commute to and from work and charging it costs me around £1.40 in electric costs. Considering I was spending around £11 per day on fuel in my mercedes e class 2.1 desiel it's fair to say it's a money saver
Please add maintenance costs to your review, some Hyundai dealers are asking owner's to come in for inspections as often as gas powered cars ...
I didn't find that was the case for my Nissan Leaf. It did have more inspections than I would have expected but it never cost me anything to have them done.
This is the most cost-efficient electric car so far. In America, it costs $29.5K. After the $7.5 federal tax rebate, it costs just $22K, making it a real ECONOMY car. With the much lower price of electricity than gasoline, it's definitely a Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla killer. However, it's range is only 124 miles.
Actually, it seems, the whole debate about climate change and the effect of CO2's on it. Is really overblown. Your points about the production of such cars are really lucid. Nice review.
Leases on EVs are super cheap. Plus the used prices are awesome. I do recommend getting one with a quick charger in case you go on a longer trip.
They should have a dual motor option it would solve the tire spin and make it quicker.
Paddle shifts on the column?
+Steven Poleske No thats for brake regen control, see driving segment.
Total carbon footprint should also include disposal/recycling of the car. PragerU did a pretty good look at this. With current technology, it just isn't there yet. You pay more for similar, if not worse, carbon footprint. This isn't a ding on Hyundai; this is true for any OEM pitching these types of cars.
The total carbon footprint really depends on how many miles you intend to put on the car. Based on a comparison between mid-sized EV and gasoline vehicles, you'd need to drive at least 60K miles on the EV to overcome the initial carbon impact of manufacturing the car. Trouble is, most EV's on the road have 36K mile leases, and the owner just leases another one every 3 years in perpetuity. Sure, the off lease car will be sold to someone else - but that doesn't change the fact there is another 4000 pound hunk of steel, glass, batteries, and petrochemicals on the road every three years. PragerU goes a little over the deep end in their bias against EV's. EV's are a good thing, I just don't think people own them long enough to make a real difference in the environment as some think they do.
I bought one about 4 months ago as it only arrived in Australia this year with the 2019 model. The range for me is perfectly adequate and definitely suits and I use the granny charger exclusively which is fine for me takes 7-14hrs or overnight. Now you talk about 'green car' then ask the question how much environmental damage is done from the Oil industry have you looked at Well-to-Wheel before you look at the battery manufacturing plus the majority of that battery is recyclable and will last a very long time, recently Nissan had a report and the battery in the leaf will outlast the car, and I can regen my 'fuel' cannot do that in an ICE car never mind second-life for the battery in home/building storage solutions. Otherwise good review.
11:01 the long tire mark on the road... Mr. Geese, was that you?
+Peng Liu No, I dont do burn outs, ever. (Seriously)
My friend bought one months ago. He had to get it from a dealer 2 hours away.
Can you review the Chevy Bolt next?
Sounds exactly like what I'm after. I wish they would make more.
I know little to nothing about electric vehicles but those exposed wires and plug to the left at 6:49 look like something that road debris like a piece of tree would easily rip out or destroy
What an attractive EV.
It has the Saab hockey stick. I kinda like it
@savagegeese Man you are so damn on point every single time!
Love the commentary at the end on greenwashing. "No data" shouldn't be an acceptable answer anymore.
I see a few of these around where I live. Wouldn't think of it as rare here in Norway lol. 5% of all cars I see are electric
Where’s turbowski?
Turboski only fucks with 6 cylinders and up.
In your bed, grinning devilishly at you and lolling around with his cute little naked butt dimples. #plottwist
620 frankfort in cleveland
Hot!
I am all for efficiency and this car gives me the best efficiency available.