This summer I used these on the Wyoming BDR, the mid-Atlantic BDR and a part of the north-east BDR as well. Put them on in Montana and got home to Florida with 8,200 miles on the bike and they look barely 1/2 used … Love these things!!!
@@OneOldManRiding it was as good as to be expected. I have always done things and gone placed at speeds that my equipment can handle. Because I travel thousands of miles per summer I need tires that can “do it all” . These tires are very good in that respect. I never (on the WYBDR) felt like my tires left me wanting, as I know the limitations of the bike and tires I use … I have done all of the BDR’s currently published and the only one I kinda wish I had pure knobbies on was the IDBDR. That one was a bit tough. Of course, all of the west BDR’s would be a lot more fun on a 300-450 cc bike but getting there on a 300 from Florida would not work for me. Take care and hope to see you on the dirt 😎.
@@OneOldManRiding oh, it would most certainly be back roads and secondary paved roads if I was on anything less than 500cc … but for now, it’s my R12gs …
Hello Tim, I was able to ride a friend's 2021 GS in South Dakota. It's was a magical bike. Felt half it's weight, and pulled like a liter bike. - Frank
I had a set on my R1200GS. I found them to be a bit sketchy on wet asphalt, with the 100+ ftlbs of torque making the rear end step out. Glad to have traction control. But I got over 12k miles out of the set! I have a new 390 now, and haven’t decided what I’ll replace the stock TKC70’s with when the time comes. Thanks for the video.
Hello Nathan, I just ride from the PNW to Upstate NY on a set of these on a VStrom 1000. After 5K miles, I feel the tire is better on the 390. Like you I had some slips on wet asphalt with the VStrom that has never occurred on the 390. It feels like the big bike version of the rear is harder than the 390 size. - Frank
I only have 24 hp on my Royal Enfield Himalayan 411 so it just tractors is way off road. All the torque is on the low end. It tractors rather than speeding it way through rough stuff like other bikes.
Great review! I put a set on my DR650 and love them. My only compliant is that they were really stiff and it was one helluva chore to get the bead set front and back.
Good review, which i can confirm. I have riden my first set on heavily loaded R1250GSA ADV and can confirm you get an amazing mileage for a decent behaviour both on road and dry offroad conditions.8000 Miles + is realistic with average riding behaviour. I just ordered my second sets and this tyre perfomed way better than my MITAS E07+ which were finished after 4000 Miles and much louder. But just be careful on the road during the first 500 miles especially in wet conditions. They can be very slippery. Afterwards... fantastic!
Just put these on my F750gs and they are great from the start. Take care in the first 200 miles or so to scuff them in, they are a hard compound and can be slick in rain or when new. Enjoy!
Hello Eric, what size is the rear on the F750? I put a 130/80 on my 390, and a 150/70 on my VStrom. The smaller tire feels more planted on wet pavement than the larger one. - Frank
Running trailmax on my V85 TT very satisfied on road wear is excellent. Fine on improved surfaces rock shallow sand suck in mud sugar sand and large aggregate gravel. I swap out Motoz ADV for serious off road and knobb longevity.
Hello Tango, I have yet to try a Motoz. I think it's my next front tire experiment. I am running. a Mitas rear and AX-41 front on my new spoked wheels. - Frank
I just put a set on my ktm 690 enduro r. I don’t get in the trails as much as I’d like to but I do use the bike to commute to work and quick trips to the shops a lot. My buddy has them on his BMW gs800 and he likes them so I figured I’d give them a shot. They were very slippery when I first mounted them so I’d be careful in the turns until you get them scrubbed in. They are much smoother on the road than the knobby tires that I was running. Hopefully they last a lot longer than the ones I had on there. I’m pretty sure they will
Hello Mike, despite being a HEAVY tire, they really (IMHO) handle well on the road. I did notice that in the larger size on my V-Strom 1000, the rear stepped out more than on my 390 Adventure. - Frank
Thanks for that review Frank, I am soon going to the trailmax missions myself. I have been getting 6500 avg from Shinko 705’s While they are a good buy for the mileage, i could stand to spend less time changing tires.
Hello Rick, I have ridden on a set fo Shinko 705. I liked that tire, however, the longevity, as you mentioned are good, not great. IMHO the TMM are almost as comfortable on road, and far superior off-road. - Frank
Love the 705 front tire worked well in every aspect and still looks new. However my rear has worn down tremendously after 6000 miles. Has anyone tried Michelin Anakee Wild in the rear. A bit pricey at $195.00 but look awesome for the mud we seem to get here in upstate ny
@@scottporter0069 Hello Scott, I ran the 705s on my KLR650. I too found the life of the rear to be poor. The TMM are expensive compared to a Shinko, but I feel better about the roxie knowing they last over twice as long for me. - Frank
Excellent review Frank! I love my TMMs and I do not have anywhere near the mileage you have on yours. I have found they do exactly everything you mentioned in this video. Spot on review and I was actually looking at doing one myself but this video completely covers it! I might be putting a set of the TMMs on the 1050 in the future once I wear down the stock tires. Great review!! Cheers!
Hello Doc, thank you for the kind words! I put a set on the VStrom before leaving Washington. They have 5K ish miles now, and look brand new. I did find there is a minor issue, that I had read about on ADVRider with the big bike version of the tire... It slipped on a wet corner. It's was kinda funny... I am riding with Andrew and I say over coms "Corner is tighter than it looks," then "And its wet at the end." I did not bother to slow down when I told him these things... Back wheel slid a lot, I could see the pannier in my first of vision! Fortunatly the TCS kicked in and I did not panic, the bike straightened out on its own and I kept going. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding Great info to know about. Looking forward to seeing some video of you and Andrew if you were able to record some. Thanks again for this key info! Cheers!
Totally agree with you. I had them on my Super Tenere and they had about 20,000km on them when I sold the bike, they would have passed safety but barely. I will try either the Motoz Adventure or use these again when my Tiger needs new shoes.
@One Old Man Riding nope, it has been too cold and rainy to ride. Plus I have been way to busy, man I need to retire. I did just order another set of the TrailMax Missions though as they were on sale.
@pappaclutch3266 I thought they were pretty decent in the rain for a 50/50 type tire, I was running about the same pressure, maybe a bit less. We went through some pretty nasty downpours and I was riding a bit slow, not pushing it. I had the Shinko 805's on before that and they were horrible in the rain. My friend had the Scorpions on and he really liked them.
I've been thinking this for years, the space between the logs or knobs makes a huge impact in the capabilities of a tire to be great at off road. They could have a design that works on road, but with enough space to grab the dirt.
Hello Al, it seems to be difficult to balance road VS. street. I have ridden a few tires that seem to get the balance right, but at the cost of longevity. I do not like getting under 5K on a tire! The TMM seem to be doing well in most cases. Thanks for stopping by! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding Definitely agree, i used to equip my Versys 300 with the previous model of the Trailmax, at 130 width they designed it like a 65/35 tyre and i loved it, but true, it was like a 7.000 mile tyre and the center flattened before 4.000, great on road, ok off road, i have better expectations for this new rubber. Thanks for the very informative review.
They are indeed. I put a set on a VStrom in Washington and rode back to New York recently. With some stops for gravel in South Dakota. The tire worked very well. Thanks for stopping by! - Frank
@@ParallelCamper He might get a chance to ride my 1050 next year and if that happens, he might be forced to join "The Legion" LOL! All the best to you Rob! Cheers!
Surprised to hear your comment on the front mission on wet pavement, I run the raids on my 23 1290R and they are great on wet pavement, it carves well ..
Hello Mac, I believe it has something to do with the size. I have a TMM front on my 790. No issues on wet pavement. Thanks for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
well after the 3rd or 4th glowing review now, once my shinko E700s wear out im getting a set of these for my klr650. seems like the extra money is well worth it.
I just don’t like the rear mission tire. After 19k Km I’d say they don’t really do anything well. The slip on wet roads unlike any other tire I’ve ever ridden. They even slip on dry roads after the tread is worn down just a bit. Offroad they are just OK. The side lugs are well built and dig into ruts well enough. The front tire on the other hand is a damn good tire with astonishing grip wet and dry. The front tracks well in gravel. I’m going for mitas next.
Hello Jay, what bike are you on? I am happy with the Mitas rear. The front, not so much. I am running an E-07+ rear, with an AX-41 front now. Very happy with the combo, though I have concerns about longevity. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding I’m on a 1000 Strom. I spend quite a bit of time on crappy roads and dirt. I’m gonna buy a mitas next week and keep the front mission for now. I have a fairly long ride across 5 countries coming up next month. I need a reliable rear. Just don’t trust the rear mission especially if I encounter wet cold surfaces.
@@Igor12822 in my experience, the missions are great at everything but cold or wet, got to be on your toes. And it’s only the rear that has this problem as it’s harder rubber than the front. If you want a tire that lasts forever it’s a good choice. Also I appreciate the thick sidewall that with zero psi you won’t notice. I’ve done over 100mph only to find out later I had a piece of metal in my tire and no air.
Thank you very much! For both! I like independent tire reviews. I watch them before trying a new tire, so it seemed like a good idea to make my won. - Frank
Hi Frank, I just subbed your channel. I recently purchased a set of TMM, for my 2019 V Strom 1000xt Adventure. Overall I'm very happy with the tire. However, I did notice the bars require more pressure to initiate a turn. It's taken me a thousand miles, to get use to this. Wondering if anyone else has noticed this.
Hello Elite, the TMM is a very heavy tire. In my experience, this absolutely causes you to put more effort into turning. I got used to it, and not only notice it after riding someone else's bike! Thank you for stopping by! - Frank
Hello Drew, I could not like the Mitas front, and have put this upfront twice since. I even ran this as a front on my 790 Adventure R. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Hello Greg, I have plans to try a Motoz for the KTM next year. This summer was about high miles. I added 9K to the KTM and had planned another 5K before I ended up buying a VStrom for my trip in the west. The TMM would have handled that extra 5K and still had tread! I look forward to your long term Motoz review for sure! - Frank PS: I pulled the Shinkos from the VStrom, put 5K on a set of TMM crossing the country (90% pavement) and they look brand new! 😁
@@OneOldManRiding the tractionator adventure wouldn't handle that many road miles but they make a tractionator GPS for that kind of stuff. I'm thinking about trying it next time around. I little more aggressive that the tmm but supposed to be able to get around the 12k mark with them. I think the tractionator adventure will get around 6-7k
Greetings, like your channel and will subscribe as a fellow 2023 KTM 390 rider. Have about 3,000 mi. on my bike now and looking to ditch the TKC 70's. I like most of what I've read and seen on the Trailmax Missions but hoping you can address my primary concern. These tires are really heavy. The rear tire is at least 4 lbs. heavier than AX41, E 07+, TKC 80 and Anakee Wild. That's a lot of unsprung weight... and while the 390 has some oomph it isn't an Africa Twin or 1250 GS. I know you ran the E 07's on your 390, could you notice any difference or comment on the weight effect or not. Also know you shot this video awhile ago so any tire advice is appreciated.
Hello Mike, the TMM are crazy heavy, and I absolutely noticed the weight of the front turning for a minute. However, the founded profile of the tire allows them to leave over very easily, you just notice the weight a bit bringing it back up. Not an issue IMHO as you stop thinking about the extra effort very fast. - Frank
I never really noticed an issue with the fear, it's more rounded than most aftermarket tires and rides very well on pavement. (And anything other than mud.) - Frank
Hello Alexander, the grip on the TMM rear was fantastic on the 390. I crossed the USA on a VStrom 1000 with the TMM and the rear stepped out a few times on wet pavement. It was disconcerting to say the least. Not uncontrollable, well other than one time, where the traction control saved me. But that was near freezing and I was taking th corner too fast. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding ok sounds to me, only in tricky weather the tire slips which is normal, glad to hear in normal riding conditions the rear held. thanks for replying , ride safe brother
Thanks for your review! How would you compare the TMM front to E07+ front in gravel, mud and wet pavement? I remember you praised the Mitas e07+ rear but not so much the E07+ front. I've already chosen me next rear tire but still doubting what to put on front. Best regards!
Hello JustWheels, The Mitas front would do better in really sticky mud, it does clear better. That said, for most riding I would choose the TMM. In everything but terrible mud I found it be a better tire. I am running an AX-41 that was recommended to me recently, with a Mitas E-07 rear, and I think that's my choice for tough terrain. I used it in mud, dirt, and deep sand in Florida recently. Performed amazingly well. - Frank
@@J2Wlz Hello J2W, I have only read good things online about the TKC70R. I almost tried the AX41 rear, until I saw folks were getting 3-4K on it. Thats terrible! Plenty of great tires for the bike that will do 8-10K - Frank
Great Review. New Sub. My buddy put these on his KLR 650, and they performed as well as you would expect looking at them. I know there supposed to be excellent. But it was early in the season, he even wrecked on the asphalt. It was early in the season. I wonder if they lost that performance in the cold weather? I wanted to try them, but they scare me now. Most of his wrecks I got on video.
Hello Adventure Glide, I am now running these on two bikes. The 390 Adventure and the VStrom 1000. I am noticing there is a difference in the tire performance between the sizes. I have never had a slide on the 390 version. Just yesterday I was riding in forty degrees, riding a twisty mountain road. Zero issues. When I was riding the VStrom from the PNW back to NY, I was in temps as low as 34. In Yellowstone I nearly put the bike down when I was on a tight corner as the rear tire just slid to the outside of the corner. SO much that I saw my pannier in the edge of my vision! I rode the VSTrom in rain and hail many times on the trip, no issues other than the corner incident. After that I was VERY careful on corners. And I have to say I would NEVER try and corner as aggressively as I do on the 390. I have no proof, but my theory is that the larger size tires are a harder compound that does not deform and corner as well on cold roads. I know from warm days that the TMM corners very well on the VStrom. - Frank
Hi Frank, thank you for the review om the TMMs, I think I'll order the front now and a rear before my East coast trip. My Vee650 came with Shinko 705's, The back is still like new but the front already had a lot of cupping, and even with the air pressure bumped up they howl, vibrate and under 10-15 mpg you can feel the bump, bump of the cupping. It is getting to the point of being frustrating. These tires will fill the bill of getting me from coast to coast without a tire replacement needed along the way. 👍
Frank, I"m having issues finding the Trailmax front, 100/90-19, everyone out of stock. Do you know if a 110/80-19 will fit ? I'm considering going with the MOTOZ TRACTIONATOR. Thanks, SB
@@josegarciamartinez9236 Hello Jose, I do find the Mitas somewhat noisy. I ride with earplugs, so if you do not, I imagine you will find them very noisy. - Frank
I got a set on my 1200GS. The front seemed to have some vibration which would bother my hands after a 100 miles or so. Did you have anything like that. I am wondering if the balance on mine may have been a bit off. Any comments would be appreciated.
Hello JW, no issues with vibration. I do balance. It's a very heavy tire, so I think balancing is very important. The tire has a lot of mass to be wobbling of not balanced. - Frank
Very stiff tire. I went over 50 miles (street) back to my camper on a rear flat with this tire on a T7. If the deflated shredded tube wasn't out of balance I wouldn't have known it was flat. Stopped with me setting on the bike no one could tell it had zero air pressure.
Hello Iron, I put on a new windscreen this week. And it's almost removed all wind noise. The first thing I noticed was how incredibly LOUD the TMM front is! Thank you for stopping by! - Frank
Ran these on my 2021 Africa twin. Great on road but shit off road! Rode the IDBDR with them, Never again! No warning when they lose traction. They move around cause they are losing traction, Motoz move around cause they are finding traction.
Hello, after using them on my 390, I put a pair on my VSTrom 1000. I found the rear tire on the big bike to be downright dangerous! I am not sure what's different, but it's a very slippery tire on big bikes. - Frank
So I've been seriously considering the e07 Plus. Looking at a few reviews there is several complaints about the front tire but practically no complaints about the rear. The opposite is true for the trail Max. I'm just curious since you have first hand experience with exactly both, what you think about running an e07 rear and a trail Max Mission Front?
Hello Nathan, I would absolutely recomend the E-07 rear with a TMM front. You will get great road and dirt performance and the tires will last what feels like forever, making it a great deal as well! Thank you for stopping by! - Frank
This summer I used these on the Wyoming BDR, the mid-Atlantic BDR and a part of the north-east BDR as well. Put them on in Montana and got home to Florida with 8,200 miles on the bike and they look barely 1/2 used … Love these things!!!
Hello Tim, WOW what a trip! How was their grip on the Wyoming BRD? I used them myself for the MABDR. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding it was as good as to be expected. I have always done things and gone placed at speeds that my equipment can handle. Because I travel thousands of miles per summer I need tires that can “do it all” . These tires are very good in that respect. I never (on the WYBDR) felt like my tires left me wanting, as I know the limitations of the bike and tires I use …
I have done all of the BDR’s currently published and the only one I kinda wish I had pure knobbies on was the IDBDR. That one was a bit tough.
Of course, all of the west BDR’s would be a lot more fun on a 300-450 cc bike but getting there on a 300 from Florida would not work for me.
Take care and hope to see you on the dirt 😎.
Hello Tim, I cannot imagine trying to leave FL on a low CC bike, the traffic is going too fast! (I rid e in South FL when visiting family) - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding oh, it would most certainly be back roads and secondary paved roads if I was on anything less than 500cc … but for now, it’s my R12gs …
Hello Tim, I was able to ride a friend's 2021 GS in South Dakota. It's was a magical bike. Felt half it's weight, and pulled like a liter bike. - Frank
I have a T7, and commute 1K a month. These will be my next choice. Thanks for the great review!
Hello Phil, that's a very nice commuting vehicle! Thank you for stopping by. - Frank
I had a set on my R1200GS. I found them to be a bit sketchy on wet asphalt, with the 100+ ftlbs of torque making the rear end step out. Glad to have traction control. But I got over 12k miles out of the set!
I have a new 390 now, and haven’t decided what I’ll replace the stock TKC70’s with when the time comes. Thanks for the video.
Hello Nathan, I just ride from the PNW to Upstate NY on a set of these on a VStrom 1000. After 5K miles, I feel the tire is better on the 390. Like you I had some slips on wet asphalt with the VStrom that has never occurred on the 390. It feels like the big bike version of the rear is harder than the 390 size. - Frank
I also find them to be sketchy on the tarmac. I won’t get them again
I had them on a 1290, very sketchy in the wet they don’t like horsepower.
They were that bad in the wet, I dumped them @ 6K.
I only have 24 hp on my Royal Enfield Himalayan 411 so it just tractors is way off road. All the torque is on the low end. It tractors rather than speeding it way through rough stuff like other bikes.
Great review! I put a set on my DR650 and love them. My only compliant is that they were really stiff and it was one helluva chore to get the bead set front and back.
They are indeed made of a tough, tough rubber! Not as bad as a Trailmax Mission, but tough! -
Frank
@@OneOldManRiding what do you mean not as tough as the trailmax? Are these not the same tires?
Good review, which i can confirm. I have riden my first set on heavily loaded R1250GSA ADV and can confirm you get an amazing mileage for a decent behaviour both on road and dry offroad conditions.8000 Miles + is realistic with average riding behaviour. I just ordered my second sets and this tyre perfomed way better than my MITAS E07+ which were finished after 4000 Miles and much louder. But just be careful on the road during the first 500 miles especially in wet conditions. They can be very slippery. Afterwards... fantastic!
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thank you for the nice review. Merry Christmas!
Just put these on my F750gs and they are great from the start. Take care in the first 200 miles or so to scuff them in, they are a hard compound and can be slick in rain or when new. Enjoy!
Hello Eric, what size is the rear on the F750? I put a 130/80 on my 390, and a 150/70 on my VStrom. The smaller tire feels more planted on wet pavement than the larger one. - Frank
I am thinking about putting them on my F750GS. Whats your opiniom on them after 1 year? How many miles did you get out of them?
Frank - Another great review. Very well done. This will be a great research video for the TMM's.
Cheers !
Hello Obi-Wan, be sure to touch base with Andrew. He put many a mile on his Shinko 705, and they seemed to work very well for him, - Frank
Running trailmax on my V85 TT very satisfied on road wear is excellent. Fine on improved surfaces rock shallow sand suck in mud sugar sand and large aggregate gravel. I swap out Motoz ADV for serious off road and knobb longevity.
Hello Tango, I have yet to try a Motoz. I think it's my next front tire experiment. I am running. a Mitas rear and AX-41 front on my new spoked wheels. - Frank
I just put a set on my ktm 690 enduro r. I don’t get in the trails as much as I’d like to but I do use the bike to commute to work and quick trips to the shops a lot. My buddy has them on his BMW gs800 and he likes them so I figured I’d give them a shot. They were very slippery when I first mounted them so I’d be careful in the turns until you get them scrubbed in. They are much smoother on the road than the knobby tires that I was running. Hopefully they last a lot longer than the ones I had on there. I’m pretty sure they will
Hello Mike, despite being a HEAVY tire, they really (IMHO) handle well on the road. I did notice that in the larger size on my V-Strom 1000, the rear stepped out more than on my 390 Adventure. - Frank
Thanks for that review Frank, I am soon going to the trailmax missions myself. I have been getting 6500 avg from Shinko 705’s While they are a good buy for the mileage, i could stand to spend less time changing tires.
Hello Rick, I have ridden on a set fo Shinko 705. I liked that tire, however, the longevity, as you mentioned are good, not great. IMHO the TMM are almost as comfortable on road, and far superior off-road. - Frank
Love the 705 front tire worked well in every aspect and still looks new. However my rear has worn down tremendously after 6000 miles. Has anyone tried Michelin Anakee Wild in the rear. A bit pricey at $195.00 but look awesome for the mud we seem to get here in upstate ny
@@scottporter0069 Hello Scott, I ran the 705s on my KLR650. I too found the life of the rear to be poor. The TMM are expensive compared to a Shinko, but I feel better about the roxie knowing they last over twice as long for me. - Frank
Excellent review Frank! I love my TMMs and I do not have anywhere near the mileage you have on yours. I have found they do exactly everything you mentioned in this video. Spot on review and I was actually looking at doing one myself but this video completely covers it! I might be putting a set of the TMMs on the 1050 in the future once I wear down the stock tires. Great review!!
Cheers!
Hello Doc, thank you for the kind words! I put a set on the VStrom before leaving Washington. They have 5K ish miles now, and look brand new.
I did find there is a minor issue, that I had read about on ADVRider with the big bike version of the tire... It slipped on a wet corner.
It's was kinda funny... I am riding with Andrew and I say over coms "Corner is tighter than it looks," then "And its wet at the end."
I did not bother to slow down when I told him these things...
Back wheel slid a lot, I could see the pannier in my first of vision!
Fortunatly the TCS kicked in and I did not panic, the bike straightened out on its own and I kept going. - Frank
DOC !!!
@@OneOldManRiding Great info to know about. Looking forward to seeing some video of you and Andrew if you were able to record some. Thanks again for this key info!
Cheers!
@@pilotdane1 OBI!
Hello Doc, I indeed have some Andrew footage! He was as great to meet and ride with as I expected him to be! - Frank
Totally agree with you. I had them on my Super Tenere and they had about 20,000km on them when I sold the bike, they would have passed safety but barely. I will try either the Motoz Adventure or use these again when my Tiger needs new shoes.
Hello Mike, did you get a chance to try the Motoz? I have a set going on next. Thanks for stopping by! - Frank
@One Old Man Riding nope, it has been too cold and rainy to ride. Plus I have been way to busy, man I need to retire. I did just order another set of the TrailMax Missions though as they were on sale.
How did you like them in the rain? I have them on my Super 10 and I don’t feel safe on them in the rain. Running 33 psi in the front 42 in the rear.
@pappaclutch3266 I thought they were pretty decent in the rain for a 50/50 type tire, I was running about the same pressure, maybe a bit less. We went through some pretty nasty downpours and I was riding a bit slow, not pushing it. I had the Shinko 805's on before that and they were horrible in the rain. My friend had the Scorpions on and he really liked them.
@@mikemills5144 I just got some mission Rally’s . Hope they inspire more confidence. I push it tho 😅
I've been thinking this for years, the space between the logs or knobs makes a huge impact in the capabilities of a tire to be great at off road. They could have a design that works on road, but with enough space to grab the dirt.
Hello Al, it seems to be difficult to balance road VS. street. I have ridden a few tires that seem to get the balance right, but at the cost of longevity.
I do not like getting under 5K on a tire! The TMM seem to be doing well in most cases. Thanks for stopping by! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding Definitely agree, i used to equip my Versys 300 with the previous model of the Trailmax, at 130 width they designed it like a 65/35 tyre and i loved it, but true, it was like a 7.000 mile tyre and the center flattened before 4.000, great on road, ok off road, i have better expectations for this new rubber.
Thanks for the very informative review.
Nice review! They are definitely quiet on the road
They are indeed. I put a set on a VStrom in Washington and rode back to New York recently. With some stops for gravel in South Dakota. The tire worked very well. Thanks for stopping by! - Frank
Thanks for this review! I still need to replace the Death Wings currently on my DR. I certainly don't worry much about mud.
ROB !!!
@@pilotdane1 OBI-WAN!!!
@@pilotdane1 OBI-WAN, are you going to join the legion of V-Strom owners? Seems like a trend.
@@ParallelCamper He might get a chance to ride my 1050 next year and if that happens, he might be forced to join "The Legion" LOL!
All the best to you Rob!
Cheers!
Hello Rob, I believe they would make an excellent ADV tire for the Mighty DR650. We will know for sure when Doc650 releases his review! - Frank
Excellent review. I'll ghet a set next time.
Hello, I have run the front on my 790 as well. In most conditions, a really great tire. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Surprised to hear your comment on the front mission on wet pavement, I run the raids on my 23 1290R and they are great on wet pavement, it carves well ..
Hello Mac, I believe it has something to do with the size. I have a TMM front on my 790. No issues on wet pavement. Thanks for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
I ordered a set for my 2021 Royal Enfield Himalayan 411.
Good video, very helpful thanks.
Hello Nick, happy to assist! Thank you for stopping by and commenting. - Frank
well after the 3rd or 4th glowing review now, once my shinko E700s wear out im getting a set of these for my klr650. seems like the extra money is well worth it.
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
I just ordered a set for my Himalayan. Replacing the stock tires.
Hello Stan, as long as you are not in deep mud, they will bite and get you where you need to go, and for an insanely long time! - Frank
How are they doing for you ? I ride a Himalayan also and want to swap out the stock tires. Thank you.
I just don’t like the rear mission tire. After 19k Km I’d say they don’t really do anything well. The slip on wet roads unlike any other tire I’ve ever ridden. They even slip on dry roads after the tread is worn down just a bit. Offroad they are just OK. The side lugs are well built and dig into ruts well enough. The front tire on the other hand is a damn good tire with astonishing grip wet and dry. The front tracks well in gravel. I’m going for mitas next.
Hello Jay, what bike are you on? I am happy with the Mitas rear. The front, not so much. I am running an E-07+ rear, with an AX-41 front now. Very happy with the combo, though I have concerns about longevity. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding I’m on a 1000 Strom. I spend quite a bit of time on crappy roads and dirt. I’m gonna buy a mitas next week and keep the front mission for now. I have a fairly long ride across 5 countries coming up next month. I need a reliable rear. Just don’t trust the rear mission especially if I encounter wet cold surfaces.
This is my experience as well
After 19000km??? How can you expect any tyre to do anything well after 19tkm.... 😂 how was it first 12-15
@@Igor12822 in my experience, the missions are great at everything but cold or wet, got to be on your toes. And it’s only the rear that has this problem as it’s harder rubber than the front. If you want a tire that lasts forever it’s a good choice. Also I appreciate the thick sidewall that with zero psi you won’t notice. I’ve done over 100mph only to find out later I had a piece of metal in my tire and no air.
Subbed. Great review, thanks.
Thank you very much! For both! I like independent tire reviews. I watch them before trying a new tire, so it seemed like a good idea to make my won. - Frank
Hi Frank, I just subbed your channel.
I recently purchased a set of TMM, for my 2019 V Strom 1000xt Adventure. Overall I'm very happy with the tire. However, I did notice the bars require more pressure to initiate a turn. It's taken me a thousand miles, to get use to this. Wondering if anyone else has noticed this.
Hello Elite, the TMM is a very heavy tire. In my experience, this absolutely causes you to put more effort into turning. I got used to it, and not only notice it after riding someone else's bike! Thank you for stopping by! - Frank
Great review, would you consider a Mitas rear and this up front? Would love to see that review!
Hello Drew, I could not like the Mitas front, and have put this upfront twice since. I even ran this as a front on my 790 Adventure R. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Good review Frank. But you know I must say #motoz or nothing 😁 you know I love the Motoz tires. Good informative video
Hello Greg, I have plans to try a Motoz for the KTM next year. This summer was about high miles. I added 9K to the KTM and had planned another 5K before I ended up buying a VStrom for my trip in the west.
The TMM would have handled that extra 5K and still had tread!
I look forward to your long term Motoz review for sure! - Frank
PS: I pulled the Shinkos from the VStrom, put 5K on a set of TMM crossing the country (90% pavement) and they look brand new! 😁
@@OneOldManRiding the tractionator adventure wouldn't handle that many road miles but they make a tractionator GPS for that kind of stuff. I'm thinking about trying it next time around. I little more aggressive that the tmm but supposed to be able to get around the 12k mark with them. I think the tractionator adventure will get around 6-7k
Hello Greg, 6-7K is fantastic for a tire with that aggressive a tread! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding I think so too.
GRUMP !!!
Greetings, like your channel and will subscribe as a fellow 2023 KTM 390 rider. Have about 3,000 mi. on my bike now and looking to ditch the TKC 70's. I like most of what I've read and seen on the Trailmax Missions but hoping you can address my primary concern. These tires are really heavy. The rear tire is at least 4 lbs. heavier than AX41, E 07+, TKC 80 and Anakee Wild. That's a lot of unsprung weight... and while the 390 has some oomph it isn't an Africa Twin or 1250 GS. I know you ran the E 07's on your 390, could you notice any difference or comment on the weight effect or not. Also know you shot this video awhile ago so any tire advice is appreciated.
Hello Mike, the TMM are crazy heavy, and I absolutely noticed the weight of the front turning for a minute. However, the founded profile of the tire allows them to leave over very easily, you just notice the weight a bit bringing it back up. Not an issue IMHO as you stop thinking about the extra effort very fast. - Frank
I never really noticed an issue with the fear, it's more rounded than most aftermarket tires and rides very well on pavement. (And anything other than mud.) - Frank
Thanks for the video! Do you use heavy duty tube? if yes how thick is this?
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Great review! Sucks about the cold. Does your bikes have traction control?
Hello John, the bike does have traction control. Thanks for stopping by, I appreciate it! - Frank
great review, how was the grip from the rear when hitting curves? did it slip turning sharply in curves?
Hello Alexander, the grip on the TMM rear was fantastic on the 390. I crossed the USA on a VStrom 1000 with the TMM and the rear stepped out a few times on wet pavement.
It was disconcerting to say the least. Not uncontrollable, well other than one time, where the traction control saved me. But that was near freezing and I was taking th corner too fast. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding ok sounds to me, only in tricky weather the tire slips which is normal, glad to hear in normal riding conditions the rear held. thanks for replying , ride safe brother
Ride safe Aleksander! - Frank
Do you have a video about this extended windshield? I have the same but U cannot make it work
I do on the channel. 7710 I think? Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thanks for your review! How would you compare the TMM front to E07+ front in gravel, mud and wet pavement? I remember you praised the Mitas e07+ rear but not so much the E07+ front. I've already chosen me next rear tire but still doubting what to put on front. Best regards!
Hello JustWheels, The Mitas front would do better in really sticky mud, it does clear better. That said, for most riding I would choose the TMM. In everything but terrible mud I found it be a better tire. I am running an AX-41 that was recommended to me recently, with a Mitas E-07 rear, and I think that's my choice for tough terrain. I used it in mud, dirt, and deep sand in Florida recently. Performed amazingly well. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding Thanks for your response! AX41 does indeed look the business. For the rear I was thinking of TKC70 Rocks.
@@J2Wlz Hello J2W, I have only read good things online about the TKC70R. I almost tried the AX41 rear, until I saw folks were getting 3-4K on it. Thats terrible! Plenty of great tires for the bike that will do 8-10K - Frank
Do you have any experience with the Pirelli Scorpion STR? How does this compare on-road/off-road?
Hello, I do not. But I rode 1800 miles with a guy who had them on his Tuareg recently. They seemed pretty decent. - Frank
Great Review. New Sub. My buddy put these on his KLR 650, and they performed as well as you would expect looking at them. I know there supposed to be excellent. But it was early in the season, he even wrecked on the asphalt. It was early in the season. I wonder if they lost that performance in the cold weather? I wanted to try them, but they scare me now. Most of his wrecks I got on video.
Hello Adventure Glide, I am now running these on two bikes. The 390 Adventure and the VStrom 1000. I am noticing there is a difference in the tire performance between the sizes.
I have never had a slide on the 390 version. Just yesterday I was riding in forty degrees, riding a twisty mountain road. Zero issues.
When I was riding the VStrom from the PNW back to NY, I was in temps as low as 34. In Yellowstone I nearly put the bike down when I was on a tight corner as the rear tire just slid to the outside of the corner. SO much that I saw my pannier in the edge of my vision!
I rode the VSTrom in rain and hail many times on the trip, no issues other than the corner incident. After that I was VERY careful on corners. And I have to say I would NEVER try and corner as aggressively as I do on the 390. I have no proof, but my theory is that the larger size tires are a harder compound that does not deform and corner as well on cold roads. I know from warm days that the TMM corners very well on the VStrom. - Frank
@@OneOldManRidingI’ve slipped so many times on my Strom with these tires I’m giving up on them. If it were not for traction control id be a dead man.
Hi Frank, thank you for the review om the TMMs, I think I'll order the front now and a rear before my East coast trip.
My Vee650 came with Shinko 705's, The back is still like new but the front already had a lot of cupping, and even with the air pressure bumped up they howl, vibrate and under 10-15 mpg you can feel the bump, bump of the cupping. It is getting to the point of being frustrating. These tires will fill the bill of getting me from coast to coast without a tire replacement needed along the way. 👍
Hello VW, great pictures on IG today. When is the leave date for your trip? - Frank
Frank, I"m having issues finding the Trailmax front, 100/90-19, everyone out of stock. Do you know if a 110/80-19 will fit ? I'm considering going with the MOTOZ TRACTIONATOR.
Thanks,
SB
Hello Stewart, you can run an 80. The diameter is slightly off, but it will not be a significant change. - Frank
thanks for video the tyres..... mitas e07+ dakar or dunlop trailmission in sport driving on the road?
Hello Jose, I prefer the Mitas +, non Dakar, the Dakar is very hard. For sportier riding, the TMM is IMHO ideal. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding thanks for answering and Sorry for my english
I thought that on the Road Dunlop gave more security... The mitas make a lot if noise?
@@josegarciamartinez9236 Hello Jose, I do find the Mitas somewhat noisy. I ride with earplugs, so if you do not, I imagine you will find them very noisy. - Frank
@@josegarciamartinez9236 Never apologize for your non-native language! I appreciate your comments! - Frank
I got a set on my 1200GS. The front seemed to have some vibration which would bother my hands after a 100 miles or so. Did you have anything like that. I am wondering if the balance on mine may have been a bit off. Any comments would be appreciated.
Hello JW, no issues with vibration. I do balance. It's a very heavy tire, so I think balancing is very important. The tire has a lot of mass to be wobbling of not balanced. - Frank
I have a set on my Tiger 800 XCA. Very impressed how well they work on all surfaces except mud, because they sure don’t look like they should…
Hello Jim, right? I had my doubts looking at them... I was impressed at how well they perform! Thanks for stopping by! - Frank
Very stiff tire. I went over 50 miles (street) back to my camper on a rear flat with this tire on a T7. If the deflated shredded tube wasn't out of balance I wouldn't have known it was flat. Stopped with me setting on the bike no one could tell it had zero air pressure.
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
major vibrations on the highway... your hands will go numb if you ride anything over 300 miles before you go offroad!
Hello Iron, I put on a new windscreen this week. And it's almost removed all wind noise. The first thing I noticed was how incredibly LOUD the TMM front is! Thank you for stopping by! - Frank
Ran these on my 2021 Africa twin. Great on road but shit off road! Rode the IDBDR with them, Never again! No warning when they lose traction. They move around cause they are losing traction, Motoz move around cause they are finding traction.
Hello, after using them on my 390, I put a pair on my VSTrom 1000. I found the rear tire on the big bike to be downright dangerous! I am not sure what's different, but it's a very slippery tire on big bikes. - Frank
So I've been seriously considering the e07 Plus. Looking at a few reviews there is several complaints about the front tire but practically no complaints about the rear. The opposite is true for the trail Max. I'm just curious since you have first hand experience with exactly both, what you think about running an e07 rear and a trail Max Mission Front?
Hello Nathan, I would absolutely recomend the E-07 rear with a TMM front.
You will get great road and dirt performance and the tires will last what feels like forever, making it a great deal as well! Thank you for stopping by! - Frank
@@OneOldManRidingthat’s exactly what I’m gonna do next. I love the Dunlop front. Mitas rear on order.
Hello Jay, I had the Motas out on cold mud yesterday, a little slippery, but wow that tire will dig in and pull you out! - Frank