@Sarthe No worries, it’s the tiny delay between going into combat and getting the debuff that messed me up.. All in all, your guide was super helpful (LIP pulls pushed me from 96.3 average % parses to 97.5) so thank you!
22:50 "Lets just be realistic, it sucks to put your fate in everybody else, just take matters into your own hands so you won't pull agro no matter what" This is why I watch you; we have a similar mentality that very few share. I think I speak for many when I say we GREATLY appreciate your content, please don't think twice about making more.
Heya, fellow top parser rogue here. I wanna thank you for this great in depth guide, its rare to come across someone who shares the same passion as i do min-maxing and please continue making videos like these. Props man!
@@Sarthetv BTW, i have now full 8/8 t2, the proc rate is ~22% and on average gives you 2 DPS (according to my ONE MC run), but according to my quik mafs & the sims i have done, having boots of shadowflame + t1 shoulders & gloves/dagger gloves are better for all specs (by only 2 dps increase for swords compared to 8/8) and would be "BiS". Allthough, i am currently prioritizing 8/8 for sword rogues and shadowflames for the dagger rogues first and once all dagger rogues have their shadowflames, us sword rogues get them. Since its such a tiny DPS increase and dagger rogues would want to use their dagger gloves anyways this way loot doesn't go to waste. Also with 8/8 you can use your full best dmg gear with DPS enchants except swap out your weaker trinket for Blazing Emblem and your cloak for Onyxia Scale Cloak with 5(all) or 7(fire) resi enchant. With that gear, fire juju, fire resi totem, motw, UBRS MC buff you will be at 268-270 fire resistance (depending which cloak enchant you took). Using blazing emblem "Increases Fire resistance by 50 and reduces all Fire damage taken by up to 25 for 15 sec" which i use when i am at high stacks at
classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fK9YnGXVrLpZwxWm/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&type=damage-done&source=37&ability=23580 & classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fK9YnGXVrLpZwxWm/#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&type=auras&source=37&ability=23580 From some rogue on the rogue discord also show the same ~22% proc rate and average 2 DPS increase (from proc alone) on average.
Super solid guide, had my first experience in BWL last week and my dps was dismal. Taking your advice in next week and I totally expect a world of difference! Thank you!
Ugh I wish there was a Fury warrior equivalent of this video. I just try to watch this guy and translate to warrior as best as I can. Lol it def worked for His MC video.
haha thanks Mayan Gaming!! I have my warrior at 60, but I definitely haven't dived deep enough into min-maxing life on it to be able to do a video justice haha
@@BuklanVuklan Yeah I've had so many arguments with the tanks in my guild. For a fury warrior to get a 99 parse it pretty much relies on the tanks being fury/prot dual wielding, full world buffs and consumabled to the hilt every raid. One of my guilds main tanks is insistent on playing deep prot like it's still fucking 2004 and for some reason the guild let him tank every main boss like Vael, probably because the healers are too lazy to get used to healing a furyprot dual wielder, so at this point it's either find a new guild or settle for blue parses for me. But in a hardcore guild, always striving for world buffs then fury warriors do beat rogues and get sick parses. At least this is true on horde side, Alliance probably have it a lot easier with Salv.
I just got my second 60 done today, rogue, and doing some research and this was super helpful! One note about magic resistance potion is that even if you don't have a pally aura or shaman in your group, everyone should have gift of the wild and because of that, these two buffs do not stack and GotW will just take priority.
Your videos are awesome man every rogue needs to see these! I’ve been studying logs to see how to improve parses and from watching your videos I can’t wait for my next BWL! I’ve shared this with the the rogues in my guild and some friends you are legit!
@@Sarthetv Awesome! Will you record specific rogue rotation guides for each boss as well? I usually get average 91 logs in raids but I feel like I could perform better with a proper rotation. This video is super informative tho!
@@crestfallen821 Actually I started doing VOD reviews of twitch subs, that may be even more helpful if you wanted, I could go over specifically exactly what you are missing. I'll post one on youtube this week :) But I can also do a rotation guide as well
Regarding rogue class call - to live try popping Evasion to dodge Nef's cleave, and drink GSPP prior the fight. Greater shadow protection potion absorbs AoE on Nef's land when the adds are done, and leftovers of this shield may save you from Shadow Breath during class call And thank you for so much useful info, I find this guide highly reusable for us players for step-by-step improvement, certainly worth being bookmarked! :)
@@KevinGunnels thank you, didn't know that. Trusted another streamer who told that, didn't check wowhead -_- That means my absorbs are explained with the fact that I use GSPP when the adds are done and Nef lands with an AoE, and there is a leftover of shadow shield in phase 2
Consider using GSPP and saving evastion for Rogue call on Nefarian. We usually eat shit too, but if you keep your ony cloak on, healers can usually heal you through one or two shadow flames or cleaves. Great guide.
love this guide. I will say I can't follow the opener recommendations for Vael because our tanks do not pull enough threat to use my vanish that early. I have to wait right before the offtank swap. I also have to skip GCDs because I can catch my tank very very easily.
unlucky there brotha. I had to do a feign last night but was on track to get 2k dps with no DMT buff, then a warrior didnt LIP their Recklessness and pulled lol >.
bro my tanks don't move either! evasion, greater stoneshield, pray for a heal. :( saw John Deere in an AB, recognized from you. loving the content - Horde Azuresong
1st, I got through to my MT last night!! I'm stoked now haha. So if your tank runs right through him, save for a FAP so you dotn get stunned from tail. Also, haha i love that Ben!! hopefully all good people / you won!!
Loved this so much. My only complaint: I'm a noob to some of the terms you use that are probably common knowledge to most of your followers. My suggestion is that you use some in video comments or links to look up some of the things you talk about so the noobs like me don't have to pause your video to find out what fap, lip, and sapper refers to.
also using LIP on Vael only works if you are aiming for downing Vael before the first BA runs out on the first tank ? i feel very hard time to see that the 6 seconds of LIP + Vanish will have my agro table under the second tank that is planning to step in if we need to make a 2nd swap ?
Ideally you kill him b4 the 1st tank dies, that's kinda the big thing. But your 2nd tank should be pumping threat too, after those 6 seconds leeway, you won't catch him either way (unless he's a bot). So it's gonna be useful no matter what, to be able to dps instantly as vael becomes target-able
do the spell crit buffs also improve the crit chance of oil of immolation/dragonbreath chili? i guess the chili at least, but since the oil isn't affected by spell damage modifiers, i doubt spell crit applies to it either..?
@Sarthe You can vanish the breath of Nefarian and avoid entire dmg when it's class call. Pop evasion/vanish breath hope for a heal. Should definitely keep you up.
Hi Sarthe, love the guides. Keep em coming! Would you mind sharing your weakaura that you are using for CP's, energy(ticker), weapon swing in your previous video's. Thanks!
This is an interesting one, specifically becuase you have to have the time to swap to it, put it on and use it, then swap back. So... it is only really useful if your guild is slow. You wont have time between Vael even if your guild is fast enough
Hi Sarthe, for Ebonroc and Flamegor I would actually suggest using the pet trinkets (and/or Ancient Cornerstone Grimoire). Prepop them before the fight and swap the items out. What's your opinion?
ya you totally can, it's like rag on that respect. The only thing is they will probably die to a shadow flame as he swaps tanks so its up to you. You may also not have time because of how fast you are pulling everything else and want the dps trinkets on while you kill trash
Sarthe can you give me your opinion atm i have 4 set of Bloodfang and 7 set of NS . Im kind of a situation if i should swap out my Bloodfang boots for Nightslayer boots for the 10 extra energy set bonus ? Im not sure what is the best to use atm. either i use the bloodfang boots permanent for +7 AP total compare to NS boots , or i use NS Boots for the 5 set bonus (10 more Energy) ? great video btw :)
Losing the 10 extra energy isn't actually going to nerf your dps at all. It just can change your opener, I used to backstab twice b4 SnD, now I Backstab into 1pt. SnD. But if it's the boots being your only swap, you can hold onto the 5 pc NS if you want haha. Boots are such a minor upgrade. And gloves and shoulders are only upgrades if they are for 8/8
Do you have firewater in this video? Just curious because I thought it doesn't stack with juju and isn't bis. Also wondering if you still recommend fire resist set for firemaw
Oh shit, I knew i forgot something when I went to bed at 5 am after finishing this hahaha. I gotchu right here! It's the first tip: ua-cam.com/video/hqkohcTtQI4/v-deo.html
You mentioned running imp BS for non-dagger rogues because of vael. Do you have a talent build for this, would you drop points from imp Sprint and 1 from dodge/gouge?
classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/005323105-3203050020050150231 Gouge and Dodge is fully interchangeable, i like imp gouge more even though i PvE 99% You want imp sprint, it turns sprint into a semi DPS cooldown, since if you get movement impaired out of range of any target you lose damage. This can also save the waste of vanish which would otherwise be your only option to remove the impairment.
Hey Sarthe! Had a question for you - I'm currently running full hit gear as a sword rogue. I have all hit pieces minus DFT (T1 gloves, shoulders, and boots of SF) with 5/8 T2 and CTS/Mala. Through the sims I use, I found that pure hit gear gives better dps in bursty fights, so that's why I went the way I did. But I almost feel like the sims don't take into consideration what full T2 does, because the 2 others rogues in my guild are doing extremely well with their sets, but overall they seem very comparable. I guess my question was do you know what the DPS comparisons look like for the two sets? I've got both, but have been rocking ZG enchants on T1 shoulders so I'm debating on slapping an enchant on T2 set if it's worth and primarily using that.
"How much hit % do I need to never miss yellow attacks (Sinister Strike/Backstab/etc.) vs raid bosses (level 63 mobs)? 300 Weapon Skill: 9% 305 Weapon Skill: 6% 315 Weapon Skill: 5% (but you generally should not aim for 315+ Weapon Skill) This is total hit % required, so if you are playing a regular Combat raiding spec with 5/5 Precision and 2/2 Weapon Expertise, you will not miss yellow attacks (on level 63 mobs) with just 1% hit from gear. Then all hit % beyond those values is useless? No. This only applies to yellow attacks. Your white hits will still have a large miss % due to the Dual Wield penalty applied from wielding 2 weapons. What people commonly refer to as a "hit cap" is more accurately the absolute minimum amount of hit % you want to have. Hit % above that still improves your overall damage since it will cause more white hits to land, and white hits tend to be ~50% of your overall damage (depending on gear/fight length/and so on)." Source - Rogue Discord TLDR: 6% or ONLY 1% extra hit gained from gear.
good guide. You do mention dropping stacks at firemaw, but in classic (i take it this is visual from private ?) debuffs don't tend to drop. It's only on occasions that they will drop with 100-120 FR
the one thing is on my server I cant get warcheifs blessing as alliance due to my server and im currently at 97.5 average in bwl,gettingg 99 is really rough when your guild is clearing longer bosses compared to others with 99
@@mikaelboileau9853 Hey Mikael! To get a 99 in a longer fight, it's all about managing your rotation and uptime! You can totally get 99s with longer fights, if you want I can go over a VOD of yours with you my dude!
@@Sarthetv I dont record my gameplay/raid yet but I got warcraft logs? I learned about the lip + the bis Firemaw set so that will really help,Theres def a way for me to get 99's
classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/incendius/daggystyle ,I could try getting an obs and record it,that be insanely apreciate ,always trying get better :#
Hey, you should uhh, put a disclaimer that this is for casuals who parse a 60 trying to get better. No vanish trick on Chromaggus covered, no SnD from adds on Razorgore. No planned SnD minmax according to your kill time on Vael. You did a lot of work, and it's great. For casuals. Full disclosure, I'm upset. I spent 30m listening =/
Hi! Very useful guide for a little rogue like me who's just tryin' to learn how to max. One thing i'd like to know: what about weapon enchants? I'm daggers and by common sense it is used to put +5dgm on main and +15 agi on off (cuz reasons: crusader doesn't work on daggers as much as better on swords, the dmg boost your backstab crit, +0,5 crit%), but i'm startin to think that's not true, if you use AR+BF during the crusader proc it will still be better dps. I see you use daggers with crusader in the video or am i wrong? Thank you anyway :-)
Hey man I got a quick question about the fire enchant set, did you put just fire res on both the shoulders and cloak or +all res? Appreciate all the info you jammed into this video!
Sarthe another question, im dagger rogue atm but im still missing some crucial items , core aged leather gloves & shadowflame boots for example i also have 6/8 t2 (missing bracers and gloves) at what point do u think its better to use the t2 8/8 set bonus compare to the dagger gear set up ? if i get full t2 set before the items above ?
Great Question Ed! It's SS, SnD or SS, SS , SnD. With swords it's easier to get a 5 pt SnD after a 1 point in the opener, and with 5 pc T1 you can do the 2nd one easier. :) Basically you want to keep SnD up at all times, it's even more important as sword spec since they have longer wep swings
@@Sarthetv Great thanks for replying man. I also wonder how the Orc racial comes into play with BF and AR. Sometimes it's a lot of global cooldowns to pop all 3 at once or you only ever wanna do BF and AR? Is it even a worthwhile DPS increase...
I just hit 60...honest question. Before being geared in the slightest do I even need to bother with 1/3rd of this stuff...for instance 6G a piece LIP pots...when my dps will be awful for a while anywho.
Hello Sarthe! Great guide and very simple and easy to follow, i however have some questions regarding enchants. I have +5 dmg on perds and +15 agi on CHT, i am in doubt if this is optimal, but ive heard people say it is the min-maxing way. I also bring whipper root tubers to combo with my major health pot, or just use the root tuber if i need to LIP/FAP or Resto pot on chromie. I am by no means an expert, but i am trying my best to learn. Furthermore, does the elemental sharpening stone do more for vael than instant poison? and on which weapon would i put it? i know instant poison procs way more on main hand (ofc) but i am thinking about putting elemental shapening stone on my CHT, would this be beneficial in any way? It would be crazy nice if you had talked about enchants in this video, atleast just for weapons as it is awesome to have one collected video with all information. Very very satisfied i found this channel, you have a very good way of explaining things and come off as a genuinly great guy. Can't wait for more rogue goodies! Thanks!
Hey! I run this settup with +5 MH and Crusader OH, but double crusaders on full BiS gear slightly sims better (it's super slight and it would have to be optimized using CDs at the right time). 15 Agil is extremely close too and for most people is better than crusader because they may not optimize with proc uptimes. You could indeed use a sharpening stone specifically for Vael, but it also depends on how much time you have b4 Vael's pulled, and how close you are to crit cap :)
@@Sarthetv Alright, a bit less for me to worry about then is good in my book :) i havent played WoW before classic really (when i was 10 in real vanilla lol, doesnt count imo) i will probably try out putting elemental shap stone on OH and instant on MH on razorgore and take it into vael, then shift it to instant on both to see what feels better. Very thankful for the response :)
@@Sarthetv Absolutely! i have BWL tomorrow but we are kinda new guild, so we have alot of lower geared players in BWL. while not optimal, we do 7/8 currently and i relly really wanna push for 8/8 soon. Big gratz on 1k subs! next stop, 10k my man!
@@autistusmaximus8040 only for vael it opts your dps!did a clean 1,4k dps with mongoose/giant str/blasted lands buff cause we wiped the wbuffs :/ (undead)
Hey, thanks for the informative video, I am going to try out these LIP strats my next raid. Question for you: What 15 talent points do you favor in the assassination tree? I see a few different variations out there.
Does razor use stun at a fixed time interval or a certain percent of his hp? We arent killing him as fast as you guys so id like to optimize free action potion use. Thanks!
On Vael I feel somewhat confident saying it's just better (at the very least it's far more consistent) to only Backstab and not go for eviscerates. I'm currently 11th rogue world on Vael and the 10 players above me either do the same as I do or went for Eviscerates and got INSANELY lucky. I guess it's up to the player whether or not you wanna roll the dice
So do you use crusader on your off hand I noticed you get those procs everyone is always telling me it should be +5 wep damage on Perds and CHT +15 agility
can you provide a link to the video about resetting weapon swing? Seen people talking about it but I'm trying to get a better understanding about what it is. Thanks
How to warcheifs blessing as alliance, i got a priest to cross faction help me but im not sure when he should mc me, should i roll a troll priest and dual box buff myself?
you can mc yourself with a priest or do what i do, mindcontrol with mc-cap on a 20 alt with engi. fails sometimes, so best to not wait on the last warchief window possible before an important raid.
@@Sarthetv so i got all the fire FR gear you posted with the fire emblem and its fking awesome!! with FR buff from lbrs you think i can stay in the whole fight?
how the fuck do your tanks not move the boss from facing you when getting a rogue call? what kinda bs is that? that should be completely unacceptable. Great video btw =]
Is Lip really preventing you to generate threat while active. Different pov on this specific mechanism. Btw, with this video you pretty much destroyed 5yrs of guides. Well done. Cheers
I'll make a video explaining the exact mechanics of LIP, but you still build THREAT, you can't pull AGGRO. So the boss/mob cant attack you, but you will be above the tank in threat if you dont Vanish you will pull right when it ends
My current guild doesn't kill bosses fast enough for me to parse that high... I wish we did. They are slowly getting better though. I was always at least an orange parse before I transferred servers. Slowly working this new raid team up to being faster. Gotta work on our tank issue right now.
Hi, great video! I just have a small question regarding sword specced rogues: If you're a human, is Brutality Blade a better offhand than Maladath? Maladath gives redundant weapon skill but it allows you to move some talent points, so I'm not sure which I think is better. Anyway, thanks for the video
PSA: On Vael, don't LIP before getting the debuff or you'll be immune to it, throwing your parse in the trash
Happened to me last week. Shame
@@lewispinetree9607 yup, just happened to me this week lol
RIP ya, don't PRE lip, you Pre BF, but lip right on pull. Pinning this so people know, I didn't think to mention it Thank you Flying
@Sarthe No worries, it’s the tiny delay between going into combat and getting the debuff that messed me up.. All in all, your guide was super helpful (LIP pulls pushed me from 96.3 average % parses to 97.5) so thank you!
22:50 "Lets just be realistic, it sucks to put your fate in everybody else, just take matters into your own hands so you won't pull agro no matter what" This is why I watch you; we have a similar mentality that very few share. I think I speak for many when I say we GREATLY appreciate your content, please don't think twice about making more.
haha dude Bruno that comment legit made my day, thank you!
He's right keep up your good work Sarthe!!! Love your videos!
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Heya, fellow top parser rogue here.
I wanna thank you for this great in depth guide, its rare to come across someone who shares the same passion as i do min-maxing and please continue making videos like these.
Props man!
Appreciate the reach out my dude!! Thanks for the kind words, I'll definitely keep it up!!!
@@Sarthetv BTW, i have now full 8/8 t2, the proc rate is ~22% and on average gives you 2 DPS (according to my ONE MC run), but according to my quik mafs & the sims i have done, having boots of shadowflame + t1 shoulders & gloves/dagger gloves are better for all specs (by only 2 dps increase for swords compared to 8/8) and would be "BiS". Allthough, i am currently prioritizing 8/8 for sword rogues and shadowflames for the dagger rogues first and once all dagger rogues have their shadowflames, us sword rogues get them. Since its such a tiny DPS increase and dagger rogues would want to use their dagger gloves anyways this way loot doesn't go to waste.
Also with 8/8 you can use your full best dmg gear with DPS enchants except swap out your weaker trinket for Blazing Emblem and your cloak for Onyxia Scale Cloak with 5(all) or 7(fire) resi enchant. With that gear, fire juju, fire resi totem, motw, UBRS MC buff you will be at 268-270 fire resistance (depending which cloak enchant you took).
Using blazing emblem "Increases Fire resistance by 50 and reduces all Fire damage taken by up to 25 for 15 sec" which i use when i am at high stacks at
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From some rogue on the rogue discord also show the same ~22% proc rate and average 2 DPS increase (from proc alone) on average.
Super solid guide, had my first experience in BWL last week and my dps was dismal. Taking your advice in next week and I totally expect a world of difference! Thank you!
Ugh I wish there was a Fury warrior equivalent of this video. I just try to watch this guy and translate to warrior as best as I can. Lol it def worked for His MC video.
haha thanks Mayan Gaming!! I have my warrior at 60, but I definitely haven't dived deep enough into min-maxing life on it to be able to do a video justice haha
Fury warrs rely too much on the tanks :/
@@BuklanVuklan lol that's like Dagger rogues in MC :)
@@BuklanVuklan Yeah I've had so many arguments with the tanks in my guild. For a fury warrior to get a 99 parse it pretty much relies on the tanks being fury/prot dual wielding, full world buffs and consumabled to the hilt every raid. One of my guilds main tanks is insistent on playing deep prot like it's still fucking 2004 and for some reason the guild let him tank every main boss like Vael, probably because the healers are too lazy to get used to healing a furyprot dual wielder, so at this point it's either find a new guild or settle for blue parses for me. But in a hardcore guild, always striving for world buffs then fury warriors do beat rogues and get sick parses. At least this is true on horde side, Alliance probably have it a lot easier with Salv.
I just got my second 60 done today, rogue, and doing some research and this was super helpful! One note about magic resistance potion is that even if you don't have a pally aura or shaman in your group, everyone should have gift of the wild and because of that, these two buffs do not stack and GotW will just take priority.
Very helpfull to me as a rogue who is up against a r14 fury in terms of top dps :D. Thank you for making this. May the top dps be with you.
thank you so much for this guide i could notice instantly that my numbers and parses went from blues to high epics and some legendary
Using evasion on rogue call will help a lot if the tank doesn’t move nef ... excellent video bro keep up the good work
ya it helps for cleave 100%, and shadow pot could help for flame. Finally got my tank to move last night haha
Your videos are awesome man every rogue needs to see these! I’ve been studying logs to see how to improve parses and from watching your videos I can’t wait for my next BWL! I’ve shared this with the the rogues in my guild and some friends you are legit!
Great video man, only 1 minute in and I love your style. Keep it up
Love that! Thank you, it's a long one haha
Thanks so so so much for this guide! I hope there will be videos for the upcoming raids as well! Much love!
I will definitely keep things going for the upcoming raids! If you ever have any questions too just lmk !!
@@Sarthetv Awesome! Will you record specific rogue rotation guides for each boss as well? I usually get average 91 logs in raids but I feel like I could perform better with a proper rotation. This video is super informative tho!
@@crestfallen821 Actually I started doing VOD reviews of twitch subs, that may be even more helpful if you wanted, I could go over specifically exactly what you are missing. I'll post one on youtube this week :) But I can also do a rotation guide as well
Thank you for taking the time to create this guide.
Regarding rogue class call - to live try popping Evasion to dodge Nef's cleave, and drink GSPP prior the fight. Greater shadow protection potion absorbs AoE on Nef's land when the adds are done, and leftovers of this shield may save you from Shadow Breath during class call
And thank you for so much useful info, I find this guide highly reusable for us players for step-by-step improvement, certainly worth being bookmarked! :)
I'm pretty sure the breath is shadow damage, not fire.
@@KevinGunnels thank you, didn't know that. Trusted another streamer who told that, didn't check wowhead -_-
That means my absorbs are explained with the fact that I use GSPP when the adds are done and Nef lands with an AoE, and there is a leftover of shadow shield in phase 2
Super helpful! I just ran my first MC last week. I'm hoping to get a bwl in this week!
Congrats my dude!!! Good luck in there!
Awesome guide bro! Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos.
I see I have new things to try tonight. haha Great job!
Hope you end up swapppin over to my server and joining me brotha!
You help m a lot mate, my dps was not that bad at all, but it improved... thanks to you 🙏🏻👌🏻
That's awesome man! keep it up!
Consider using GSPP and saving evastion for Rogue call on Nefarian. We usually eat shit too, but if you keep your ony cloak on, healers can usually heal you through one or two shadow flames or cleaves. Great guide.
we got our tanks to finally turn around
love this guide. I will say I can't follow the opener recommendations for Vael because our tanks do not pull enough threat to use my vanish that early. I have to wait right before the offtank swap. I also have to skip GCDs because I can catch my tank very very easily.
unlucky there brotha. I had to do a feign last night but was on track to get 2k dps with no DMT buff, then a warrior didnt LIP their Recklessness and pulled lol >.
How can I be the best rogue on my server, when you are on my server? Love the content Sarthe! You allow me to stay on top of the other rogues.
lol love it my dude! which rogue are you??
Sarthe Prickpocket from Legacy
Yeah as an alliance rogue I never get fear ward, that’s for the tanks. FeelsBadMan
Just means your priests are dumb
bro my tanks don't move either! evasion, greater stoneshield, pray for a heal. :(
saw John Deere in an AB, recognized from you. loving the content - Horde Azuresong
1st, I got through to my MT last night!! I'm stoked now haha. So if your tank runs right through him, save for a FAP so you dotn get stunned from tail. Also, haha i love that Ben!! hopefully all good people / you won!!
Loved this so much. My only complaint: I'm a noob to some of the terms you use that are probably common knowledge to most of your followers. My suggestion is that you use some in video comments or links to look up some of the things you talk about so the noobs like me don't have to pause your video to find out what fap, lip, and sapper refers to.
Subscribed to the twitch channel! All this information was excellent and will for sure help me become a better rouge!
also using LIP on Vael only works if you are aiming for downing Vael before the first BA runs out on the first tank ? i feel very hard time to see that the 6 seconds of LIP + Vanish will have my agro table under the second tank that is planning to step in if we need to make a 2nd swap ?
Ideally you kill him b4 the 1st tank dies, that's kinda the big thing. But your 2nd tank should be pumping threat too, after those 6 seconds leeway, you won't catch him either way (unless he's a bot). So it's gonna be useful no matter what, to be able to dps instantly as vael becomes target-able
do the spell crit buffs also improve the crit chance of oil of immolation/dragonbreath chili? i guess the chili at least, but since the oil isn't affected by spell damage modifiers, i doubt spell crit applies to it either..?
great question Miskee! I actually don't have a clear answer for it too >.
@Sarthe You can vanish the breath of Nefarian and avoid entire dmg when it's class call. Pop evasion/vanish breath hope for a heal. Should definitely keep you up.
ya you can vanish a breath indeed! I also finally convinced my tanks to move haha
Hi Sarthe, love the guides. Keep em coming!
Would you mind sharing your weakaura that you are using for CP's, energy(ticker), weapon swing in your previous video's.
Thanks!
Hey Kane! Hmu on twitch! I give them all out to all twitch subs my dude!
Loved the video. I subbed to your twitch channel because of this! i would really like your weak aura.
Guneet Gill my dude!! Thank you for the support!! hmu on twitch message or Sarthe#4778 on discord I gotchu
This is good content. Clear and detailed
Hey, thanks for the video! What are your thoughts About the engineering battlechicken buff? (5% haste)
This is an interesting one, specifically becuase you have to have the time to swap to it, put it on and use it, then swap back. So... it is only really useful if your guild is slow. You wont have time between Vael even if your guild is fast enough
I still don't quite get how do you avoid stun on Razorgore without FAP?
Hi Sarthe, for Ebonroc and Flamegor I would actually suggest using the pet trinkets (and/or Ancient Cornerstone Grimoire). Prepop them before the fight and swap the items out. What's your opinion?
ya you totally can, it's like rag on that respect. The only thing is they will probably die to a shadow flame as he swaps tanks so its up to you. You may also not have time because of how fast you are pulling everything else and want the dps trinkets on while you kill trash
It would be amazing if you could show how you make your gold to fund your consumeables for these runs. Thanks for the video.
he said he had a mage also, so probably that
What is the addon that shows the bladeflurry uptime right above character portrait? Looks really smooth. Great video!
Just hit 60 on my alt rogue alt hoping to make it my main 👌🏽 thanks for the guide man.
Great video, thanks for sharing. What add ons do you use for your UI?
Sarthe can you give me your opinion atm i have 4 set of Bloodfang and 7 set of NS . Im kind of a situation if i should swap out my Bloodfang boots for Nightslayer boots for the 10 extra energy set bonus ?
Im not sure what is the best to use atm. either i use the bloodfang boots permanent for +7 AP total compare to NS boots , or i use NS Boots for the 5 set bonus (10 more Energy) ?
great video btw :)
Losing the 10 extra energy isn't actually going to nerf your dps at all. It just can change your opener, I used to backstab twice b4 SnD, now I Backstab into 1pt. SnD. But if it's the boots being your only swap, you can hold onto the 5 pc NS if you want haha. Boots are such a minor upgrade. And gloves and shoulders are only upgrades if they are for 8/8
Sarthe have t2 head, chest, boots & belt but guess i put the t1 boots back in bank then 😉
Thanks for this video! Currently at all >95, trying to push it >99 just before AQ :D
Nice video! whats the WA for that weapon swing timer and energy tick?
Hey Kruel! I made all WAs and give all of them, addons, UI and macros to all twitch subs my dude!
First you miss clicking the sand. Then you click 2 times for good measure :). Be careful they don't seem to have a global cd. 26:15
Ya hahaha, I was in panic mode after I got stunned hahaha
Do you have firewater in this video? Just curious because I thought it doesn't stack with juju and isn't bis. Also wondering if you still recommend fire resist set for firemaw
Can u link that video you talked about in the end? Why not to reset your swing timer ?
Oh shit, I knew i forgot something when I went to bed at 5 am after finishing this hahaha. I gotchu right here! It's the first tip: ua-cam.com/video/hqkohcTtQI4/v-deo.html
yeah you found it?
Ty man
You mentioned running imp BS for non-dagger rogues because of vael. Do you have a talent build for this, would you drop points from imp Sprint and 1 from dodge/gouge?
classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/005323105-3203050020050150231 Gouge and Dodge is fully interchangeable, i like imp gouge more even though i PvE 99%
You want imp sprint, it turns sprint into a semi DPS cooldown, since if you get movement impaired out of range of any target you lose damage. This can also save the waste of vanish which would otherwise be your only option to remove the impairment.
Hey Sarthe! Had a question for you - I'm currently running full hit gear as a sword rogue. I have all hit pieces minus DFT (T1 gloves, shoulders, and boots of SF) with 5/8 T2 and CTS/Mala. Through the sims I use, I found that pure hit gear gives better dps in bursty fights, so that's why I went the way I did. But I almost feel like the sims don't take into consideration what full T2 does, because the 2 others rogues in my guild are doing extremely well with their sets, but overall they seem very comparable.
I guess my question was do you know what the DPS comparisons look like for the two sets? I've got both, but have been rocking ZG enchants on T1 shoulders so I'm debating on slapping an enchant on T2 set if it's worth and primarily using that.
Thanks for the great info! Question, at what hit% do you recommend we stop worrying about hit.
"How much hit % do I need to never miss yellow attacks (Sinister Strike/Backstab/etc.) vs raid bosses (level 63 mobs)?
300 Weapon Skill: 9%
305 Weapon Skill: 6%
315 Weapon Skill: 5% (but you generally should not aim for 315+ Weapon Skill)
This is total hit % required, so if you are playing a regular Combat raiding spec with 5/5 Precision and 2/2 Weapon Expertise, you will not miss yellow attacks (on level 63 mobs) with just 1% hit from gear.
Then all hit % beyond those values is useless?
No. This only applies to yellow attacks. Your white hits will still have a large miss % due to the Dual Wield penalty applied from wielding 2 weapons. What people commonly refer to as a "hit cap" is more accurately the absolute minimum amount of hit % you want to have. Hit % above that still improves your overall damage since it will cause more white hits to land, and white hits tend to be ~50% of your overall damage (depending on gear/fight length/and so on)."
Source - Rogue Discord
TLDR: 6% or ONLY 1% extra hit gained from gear.
@@epuidS Technically you always want Hit, but on SUPER short fights, you can prio crit and AP. So technically you never rly stop wanting hit haha
@sarthe can you link to the video regarding weapon swing timers and resets that you talked about in your video at the end.
I too want the link to the vid on this
good guide. You do mention dropping stacks at firemaw, but in classic (i take it this is visual from private ?) debuffs don't tend to drop. It's only on occasions that they will drop with 100-120 FR
if you resist 20 seconds of debuffs, all your stacks will drop :)
the one thing is on my server I cant get warcheifs blessing as alliance due to my server and im currently at 97.5 average in bwl,gettingg 99 is really rough when your guild is clearing longer bosses compared to others with 99
Why are you worried about 1.5 average parse. That is literally nothing and you should be happy about being consistently in the top 90%.
@@sumbody694 Because I want to improve everytime I play?
@@mikaelboileau9853 Hey Mikael! To get a 99 in a longer fight, it's all about managing your rotation and uptime! You can totally get 99s with longer fights, if you want I can go over a VOD of yours with you my dude!
@@Sarthetv I dont record my gameplay/raid yet but I got warcraft logs? I learned about the lip + the bis Firemaw set so that will really help,Theres def a way for me to get 99's
classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/incendius/daggystyle ,I could try getting an obs and record it,that be insanely apreciate ,always trying get better :#
Hey, you should uhh, put a disclaimer that this is for casuals who parse a 60 trying to get better.
No vanish trick on Chromaggus covered, no SnD from adds on Razorgore. No planned SnD minmax according to your kill time on Vael.
You did a lot of work, and it's great. For casuals. Full disclosure, I'm upset. I spent 30m listening =/
Hi! Very useful guide for a little rogue like me who's just tryin' to learn how to max. One thing i'd like to know: what about weapon enchants? I'm daggers and by common sense it is used to put +5dgm on main and +15 agi on off (cuz reasons: crusader doesn't work on daggers as much as better on swords, the dmg boost your backstab crit, +0,5 crit%), but i'm startin to think that's not true, if you use AR+BF during the crusader proc it will still be better dps. I see you use daggers with crusader in the video or am i wrong? Thank you anyway :-)
I'm assuming the macro for sapper + oil off immolation is just /use sapper /use oil right?
100% my dude!
I didnt mention it but awesome video,It will help me,thanks
shoutout to all the drunk people that thought someone was calling on discord
Hey man I got a quick question about the fire enchant set, did you put just fire res on both the shoulders and cloak or +all res? Appreciate all the info you jammed into this video!
Sarthe another question, im dagger rogue atm but im still missing some crucial items , core aged leather gloves & shadowflame boots for example
i also have 6/8 t2 (missing bracers and gloves) at what point do u think its better to use the t2 8/8 set bonus compare to the dagger gear set up ? if i get full t2 set before the items above ?
What's your usual rotation for a tank and spank as a combat sword spec?
Great Question Ed! It's SS, SnD or SS, SS , SnD. With swords it's easier to get a 5 pt SnD after a 1 point in the opener, and with 5 pc T1 you can do the 2nd one easier. :) Basically you want to keep SnD up at all times, it's even more important as sword spec since they have longer wep swings
@@Sarthetv Great thanks for replying man. I also wonder how the Orc racial comes into play with BF and AR. Sometimes it's a lot of global cooldowns to pop all 3 at once or you only ever wanna do BF and AR? Is it even a worthwhile DPS increase...
I just hit 60...honest question. Before being geared in the slightest do I even need to bother with 1/3rd of this stuff...for instance 6G a piece LIP pots...when my dps will be awful for a while anywho.
Hello Sarthe!
Great guide and very simple and easy to follow, i however have some questions regarding enchants. I have +5 dmg on perds and +15 agi on CHT, i am in doubt if this is optimal, but ive heard people say it is the min-maxing way.
I also bring whipper root tubers to combo with my major health pot, or just use the root tuber if i need to LIP/FAP or Resto pot on chromie. I am by no means an expert, but i am trying my best to learn.
Furthermore, does the elemental sharpening stone do more for vael than instant poison? and on which weapon would i put it? i know instant poison procs way more on main hand (ofc) but i am thinking about putting elemental shapening stone on my CHT, would this be beneficial in any way? It would be crazy nice if you had talked about enchants in this video, atleast just for weapons as it is awesome to have one collected video with all information.
Very very satisfied i found this channel, you have a very good way of explaining things and come off as a genuinly great guy. Can't wait for more rogue goodies!
Thanks!
Hey! I run this settup with +5 MH and Crusader OH, but double crusaders on full BiS gear slightly sims better (it's super slight and it would have to be optimized using CDs at the right time). 15 Agil is extremely close too and for most people is better than crusader because they may not optimize with proc uptimes. You could indeed use a sharpening stone specifically for Vael, but it also depends on how much time you have b4 Vael's pulled, and how close you are to crit cap :)
@@Sarthetv Alright, a bit less for me to worry about then is good in my book :) i havent played WoW before classic really (when i was 10 in real vanilla lol, doesnt count imo) i will probably try out putting elemental shap stone on OH and instant on MH on razorgore and take it into vael, then shift it to instant on both to see what feels better. Very thankful for the response :)
@@autistusmaximus8040 let me know how it goes btw brotha!
@@Sarthetv Absolutely! i have BWL tomorrow but we are kinda new guild, so we have alot of lower geared players in BWL. while not optimal, we do 7/8 currently and i relly really wanna push for 8/8 soon. Big gratz on 1k subs! next stop, 10k my man!
@@autistusmaximus8040 only for vael it opts your dps!did a clean 1,4k dps with mongoose/giant str/blasted lands buff cause we wiped the wbuffs :/ (undead)
Hey, thanks for the informative video, I am going to try out these LIP strats my next raid.
Question for you: What 15 talent points do you favor in the assassination tree? I see a few different variations out there.
amazing video man!
Thanks Kyle!
Does razor use stun at a fixed time interval or a certain percent of his hp?
We arent killing him as fast as you guys so id like to optimize free action potion use.
Thanks!
Hey man, what is the addon you're using for your energy management??
Which talents do you drop for combat swords if you want improved backstab?
Great question man! . You can take 1 point from dodge and 2 points from evasion and put them 3/3 imp back stab
what weakaura do you use to show cp, energi & swingtimer?
Hey! I made all WAs and give all of them, addons, UI and macros to all twitch subs my dude!
What's the goblin sapper charge/oil macro you referred to? thanks for the video.
On Vael I feel somewhat confident saying it's just better (at the very least it's far more consistent) to only Backstab and not go for eviscerates. I'm currently 11th rogue world on Vael and the 10 players above me either do the same as I do or went for Eviscerates and got INSANELY lucky. I guess it's up to the player whether or not you wanna roll the dice
So do you use crusader on your off hand I noticed you get those procs everyone is always telling me it should be +5 wep damage on Perds and CHT +15 agility
For your trinkets, why do you use HoJ over Blackhand's?
purely cuz of crit cap fully buffed, you can sim what is better for your gear and it may be different :)
Are daggers Better for Aq and Nax too , or do swords outperform them ?
The Daggers are better in there, Swords out performs usually with cleave. The AQ dagger has 2% drop rate tho lol
Anything optional in the FR set if u dont manage to get T1 head/legs in time, replacement that doesnt lose u too much dmg
Hey @sarthe - could you share the buff bars above your nameplate? i.e. Blood fury, AR - thanks!
Hey! I made all WAs and give all of them, addons, UI and macros to all twitch subs my dude!
Also combat swords on vael... I have faceless on MH but OH should I use CtS or Hakkari?
can you provide a link to the video about resetting weapon swing? Seen people talking about it but I'm trying to get a better understanding about what it is. Thanks
You said to sim ourselves, but, how? I cant find anything for simulation in Classic, could you help? Thank you!
Shooot me a messaage on twitch, I'll send you the sims my dude!! or discord. Sarthe#4778
How to warcheifs blessing as alliance, i got a priest to cross faction help me but im not sure when he should mc me, should i roll a troll priest and dual box buff myself?
you can mc yourself with a priest or do what i do, mindcontrol with mc-cap on a 20 alt with engi. fails sometimes, so best to not wait on the last warchief window possible before an important raid.
@@kafkatt4388 ty only lvl 20? Thats doable
hey @sarthe wondering if you got ubrs fire buff for that firemaw fight.
hell ya my dude!! I tend to go after it always, it's 83 and it's huge! You can use more dps gear instead of ALL FR gear
@@Sarthetv so i got all the fire FR gear you posted with the fire emblem and its fking awesome!! with FR buff from lbrs you think i can stay in the whole fight?
what is the minimum requirement FR to be able to stay in?
What site or where do you sim your character? Great video btw!
Great video man
how the fuck do your tanks not move the boss from facing you when getting a rogue call? what kinda bs is that? that should be completely unacceptable.
Great video btw =]
Can you do a video on how to parse as a rogue for Naxx? Thank You.
does backstab not reset swing timer? thats a sword dps thing right?
it does, ONLY with WF. So if you are ally, nope :)
If i am hitcapped (i play human rogue) is NS shoulder still better than BF shoulder for dagger spec pve?
Hello Sarthe, you vanish BEFORE LIP ends, right?
Hey man. I subbed on twitch. How do I get your UI setup?
Twitch name is piruhcy
Thanks Sarthe
@sarthe Aye man great video but you didnt link the video to max your swing timer :)
nice vid mate!
Tyty!
Is Lip really preventing you to generate threat while active. Different pov on this specific mechanism.
Btw, with this video you pretty much destroyed 5yrs of guides. Well done. Cheers
I'll make a video explaining the exact mechanics of LIP, but you still build THREAT, you can't pull AGGRO. So the boss/mob cant attack you, but you will be above the tank in threat if you dont Vanish you will pull right when it ends
My current guild doesn't kill bosses fast enough for me to parse that high... I wish we did. They are slowly getting better though. I was always at least an orange parse before I transferred servers. Slowly working this new raid team up to being faster. Gotta work on our tank issue right now.
isnt bloodfang shoulders bad man? For swords? so if u had T1 shoulders which would be better? BF or T1?
Thanks for this
Anytime haha
Wait are you saying, even as horde, that instant posion in the offhand is better than elemental sharpening stone?
yo it is better for dagger rogue windfury or trueshot aura ? mostly I had only trueshot aura so i use mainly dense sharpening stone on main hand.
Wait for it the whole day mate
alwaysss haha
Hi, great video! I just have a small question regarding sword specced rogues: If you're a human, is Brutality Blade a better offhand than Maladath? Maladath gives redundant weapon skill but it allows you to move some talent points, so I'm not sure which I think is better. Anyway, thanks for the video
Mala is better
I believe Mala is still SLIGHTLY better, I have to sim it though since I'm hordie boi
You can vanish the fear on Nefarian probably. Atleast it works on Onyxia.
it does work, and it works on a breath on Chromagg ;)
@@Sarthetv so u vanish when u got hit by the breath? or do u vanish right before the breath?
@sarthe you said something about not resetting wep swing but i dont see the video talking about it
At what point do you stop eviscerating and only backstab on Vael?
As a dagger rogue, should i be saving all my energy for Backstabs, or should i be using SS as well?
Always backstab. Sinister strike only if you absolutely need to get one more combo point in a pinch and you cant afford to wait for energy ticks.