The argument about Archer being at Beecher's Hope or not aside, I feel like if Fordham survived, he hated Ross's control and probably knew Jack killed him but chose not to bother him because it wasn't worth the time.
Archer respected John at the end after the fall of Dutch I think he would have disagreed with Ross's decision to have John killed we don't see him there so I don't think he wanted any part of it and unlike Ross he never toyed with John he just told him how it was
You’re right, he is there. Still though, I do wonder if Archer would be interested in going after Jack at the end. I doubt it considering that Ross was rude to him and Archer was much nicer to John than Ross was, even thanking him at the end for killing Dutch. He was likely at John’s ranch simply because Ross wanted him to be. But who knows, maybe the cob/robber cycle would continue.
Honestly, he's one of Rockstar's best side characters. A ruthless lawman who gave no parole to criminals and was cunning in exploiting their weaknesses to get to his goals. In D&D terms, Ross would perhaps be a lawful evil character, considering how far he'll go to enforce the law. Maybe one day, Rockstar will do a Red Dead game where we get to play as Sheriff, a Texas Ranger or some other kind of law enforcer. It'd be a nice change, like L.A. Noire. Also, in the real world, I'd want there be more Rosses and fewers Dutches.
I went back and replayed RDR1 after my first playthrough of 2, and I played the game as a high honor John that committed no crimes that weren't 100% necessary for story missions. To me that playthrough is my canon one, because to me that was John becoming a better man and finding his redemption even though the world refused to let him be redeemed without giving his life up for it.
@@channel45853 yeah but he didn’t seem like he would do a low honor move like Edgar pulled on John. I don’t believe Archer knew Edgar was planning on killing him after he completed the work. Would Archer be upset over John’s death..no but I don’t think Archer knew about Edgar’s plan so I think he is more honorable than Edgar. Archer seemed like a no nonsense kinda agent but by the book. Edgar went off book half the time I bet, he a higher station than Archer so Archer is just partnered with a shady agent.
@@Woozie87 If archer knew edgars plans he might’ve agreed or said no, at the end of the day I don’t know archers exact decision since I haven’t played the game.
It's impressive how you can compile all this game footage and use it properly for the topic at hand, edit it all and write all these scripts for your videos so fast.
Ross is actually my favorite side character in the game. He is a man who is the hero in the wrong story if the story was told through his eyes we would see him ALOT different.
Ross is more like the kid that blackmails you and threatens you and when you do what he asks he betrays you and beats you up til you can't feel your body anymore
What I never understood is why Ross just killed of John it was obvious how good of a hunter John was in other words if Ross made a deal with John to allow his family to live on the ranch but John would have to keep hunting outlaws that the bureau would send his way that way John would not really go free but it would make the life for the bureau way easer it's like you said John is nothing and therefore can do what he needs to do in order to capture the target
I thought that was exactly what was going to happen. I just figured the bad end was going to be John had to keep hunting outlaws for the FBI. It would have made alot of sense for the FBI to use him as their off the books hit man and just threw just a little cash.
you never know Marston could have started making his own Gang like dutch did. Then imagine his son grows up and becomes a legendary gunslinger too. From the law’s perspective that would be a disaster.
@@maalikserebryakov ma I doubt he would have ever wanted to do the gang again. But he was still bounty hunting after the gang, and it would have still fit a bad ending if he was never really able to get out from under the FBI's thumb. He would have his family and ranch, but they would use him as their hitman. John and Abigail even talked about how they thought that would happen.
See i was back and forth on that. I swore i heard he was running for it at the start of the game. Then towards the end i caught he was already in office. Ok, so correction he was already in office. Did that happen as the game progressed or was that already established beforehand? Edit: never mind 😂. You said he was running for reelection. Should really read before speaking😂
@@CynicGTAI think Nate Johns was running for re-election as West Elizabeth’s governor during 1911, then sometime after Johns and the rest of the Van der linde gang’s death, he gets re-elected. In the 1914 “The Blackwater Ledger and Sentinel” newspaper, he gets indicted from state governor.
I've always wondered what if Arthur killed Milton and Ross when they found him and Jack at the river what effects would that have on the story of red dead redemption 2.
If Ross had been an upstanding honest man, not kidnapping the family, telling John the truth (we kill you after but your family keeps the house and is safe) or just keeping his word that John is free after, ppl wouldn't hate him so. It's his relationship with the truth that makes him so evil in my eyes. He's not an honest man, and the fact that he reps the gov means the gov is not honest either.
The fact ross had no problem killing jack when he was older when he knew him as a lil child proves he has no sense of morals he just wants to do what he wants in the name of the law making him no better than an outlaw.
Wheather It was government or some other a*hole if someone kidnapped my fiancé Stacey I would do whatever it took to get her back including being selfish if that's what it took and there would be a lot of hell to pay
The argument about Archer being at Beecher's Hope or not aside, I feel like if Fordham survived, he hated Ross's control and probably knew Jack killed him but chose not to bother him because it wasn't worth the time.
And he didn’t want to have his men killed because he knew jack was killer and jack didn’t care who he killed or what he did
Archer respected John at the end after the fall of Dutch I think he would have disagreed with Ross's decision to have John killed we don't see him there so I don't think he wanted any part of it and unlike Ross he never toyed with John he just told him how it was
According to a video made by the Professional, Archer was there and he can be killed by John as he is being shot as well.
You’re right, he is there. Still though, I do wonder if Archer would be interested in going after Jack at the end. I doubt it considering that Ross was rude to him and Archer was much nicer to John than Ross was, even thanking him at the end for killing Dutch. He was likely at John’s ranch simply because Ross wanted him to be. But who knows, maybe the cob/robber cycle would continue.
@Braindeadredemption it's been a year since I played the game I don't remember everything
More I listen to him, Agent Ross just sounds like Joker if he was in the justice system
“I help control a society!”
“We live in a society” vs “we live in a society”
Honestly, he's one of Rockstar's best side characters. A ruthless lawman who gave no parole to criminals and was cunning in exploiting their weaknesses to get to his goals. In D&D terms, Ross would perhaps be a lawful evil character, considering how far he'll go to enforce the law.
Maybe one day, Rockstar will do a Red Dead game where we get to play as Sheriff, a Texas Ranger or some other kind of law enforcer. It'd be a nice change, like L.A. Noire.
Also, in the real world, I'd want there be more Rosses and fewers Dutches.
John should have went to another country to get away like Landon Ricketts did.
He went to the Yukon with his family between 1899 and 1907 he should’ve stayed
I went back and replayed RDR1 after my first playthrough of 2, and I played the game as a high honor John that committed no crimes that weren't 100% necessary for story missions. To me that playthrough is my canon one, because to me that was John becoming a better man and finding his redemption even though the world refused to let him be redeemed without giving his life up for it.
I like the conversation going up to kill Dutch, it shows that Fordham is just as much of a dick as Ross, he just says less.
@@channel45853 yeah but he didn’t seem like he would do a low honor move like Edgar pulled on John. I don’t believe Archer knew Edgar was planning on killing him after he completed the work. Would Archer be upset over John’s death..no but I don’t think Archer knew about Edgar’s plan so I think he is more honorable than Edgar. Archer seemed like a no nonsense kinda agent but by the book. Edgar went off book half the time I bet, he a higher station than Archer so Archer is just partnered with a shady agent.
@@Woozie87 If archer knew edgars plans he might’ve agreed or said no, at the end of the day I don’t know archers exact decision since I haven’t played the game.
It's impressive how you can compile all this game footage and use it properly for the topic at hand, edit it all and write all these scripts for your videos so fast.
Ross is actually my favorite side character in the game. He is a man who is the hero in the wrong story if the story was told through his eyes we would see him ALOT different.
It still wouldn't make Ross any better of a person
still a bad man, we would still see him as a bad man
More like he's a hero in HIS own story, if we saw the story through his eyes it wouldn't change much for me
also, stop speaking for all of us, we would see him? oh didn tknow you were every person in the world.
@@EvanTheHistorian lol
andrew milton is the kid that snitch to the teacher because they didnt follow the rules edgar ross is the kid that beat up kid that breaks rules
Ross is more like the kid that blackmails you and threatens you and when you do what he asks he betrays you and beats you up til you can't feel your body anymore
@@MeepmcarthurtheSECONDdeserved
Edgar Ross, aka: Rat, Snake, Silver Tongued Oportunist. He is like Dutch but in the opposite side of the same coin.
What I never understood is why Ross just killed of John it was obvious how good of a hunter John was in other words if Ross made a deal with John to allow his family to live on the ranch but John would have to keep hunting outlaws that the bureau would send his way that way John would not really go free but it would make the life for the bureau way easer it's like you said John is nothing and therefore can do what he needs to do in order to capture the target
I thought that was exactly what was going to happen. I just figured the bad end was going to be John had to keep hunting outlaws for the FBI. It would have made alot of sense for the FBI to use him as their off the books hit man and just threw just a little cash.
you never know
Marston could have started making his own Gang like dutch did.
Then imagine his son grows up and becomes a legendary gunslinger too.
From the law’s perspective that would be a disaster.
@@maalikserebryakov ma I doubt he would have ever wanted to do the gang again. But he was still bounty hunting after the gang, and it would have still fit a bad ending if he was never really able to get out from under the FBI's thumb. He would have his family and ranch, but they would use him as their hitman. John and Abigail even talked about how they thought that would happen.
@@maalikserebryakov one reason why Marston would never have done that his family. Ross knew if you control Marstons family you control John
Great job on pumping out so much quality analyzations bro 🙏
Im trying 😭…jokes aside. Thank you. Happy you’re enjoying the videos
Correction: Nate Johns IS the governor of west Elisabeth not New Austin and he’s running for reelection
See i was back and forth on that. I swore i heard he was running for it at the start of the game. Then towards the end i caught he was already in office. Ok, so correction he was already in office. Did that happen as the game progressed or was that already established beforehand?
Edit: never mind 😂. You said he was running for reelection. Should really read before speaking😂
@@CynicGTAyou should make a video about if Dutch and Hosea both died and Arthur was the leader
@@CynicGTAI think Nate Johns was running for re-election as West Elizabeth’s governor during 1911, then sometime after Johns and the rest of the Van der linde gang’s death, he gets re-elected. In the 1914 “The Blackwater Ledger and Sentinel” newspaper, he gets indicted from state governor.
Hey man! Found you recently through Fihzy channel and I gotta say you do some fantastic red dead content! Thank you for all your good work✌️
really proves one of the gangs point. the people in power are just as big of crooks as them
Ross didn’t slaughter someone for looking at him wrong
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Youre too kind
@@CynicGTA nah but fr i love your videos man keep doing what you do
I've always wondered what if Arthur killed Milton and Ross when they found him and Jack at the river what effects would that have on the story of red dead redemption 2.
If Ross had been an upstanding honest man, not kidnapping the family, telling John the truth (we kill you after but your family keeps the house and is safe) or just keeping his word that John is free after, ppl wouldn't hate him so. It's his relationship with the truth that makes him so evil in my eyes. He's not an honest man, and the fact that he reps the gov means the gov is not honest either.
The fact ross had no problem killing jack when he was older when he knew him as a lil child proves he has no sense of morals he just wants to do what he wants in the name of the law making him no better than an outlaw.
Favourite UA-camr ngl
he is right about one thing, without laws, hell ensues
I need to finish the rest of your videos so I can catch up on fizhy😭😭😭
Can you talk about the brutality of jin's father and his campaign in iki
Im running through Iki island right now. Give it a few days😏
anyone else notice the tweaking dear at abt 9:50 ? 🤣🤣
Love the vid as always... was Arthur the 'chubby' version or was that just me?
You see, we play video games, our attention span is about 3 seconds.
Rdr 1 def takes place more than a year or so after rdr2. Jack is a little kid in rdr2. In 1 he’s a teenager.
4 years later iirc
The epilogue takes place in 08, and RDR 1 takes place in 1911.
@@troypowers750 it takes place in 1907 which is 4 years later. Still thank you both for clarifying.
@@QueDubs oh yeah...
@@troypowers750the epilogue of RDR1 is in 1911
John deserved better.
3rd comment 4th like also keep up the amazing work
Hes lowkey funny
Wheather It was government or some other a*hole if someone kidnapped my fiancé Stacey I would do whatever it took to get her back including being selfish if that's what it took and there would be a lot of hell to pay
Your not a wanted criminal, no one is gonna kidnap your wife other than a criminal
@mrmemes170 I meant what I said here & I stand by it so zip it
Ye olde ATF
CIA
FBI
600 views in 49 mins? My boy has falled off
What did you expect
I’ve actually never hit many views in 24hrs or even 60mins. All my videos do better long term
@@CynicGTA GJ man keep it up!👍
I always download your videos and watch them a day or 2 later at work @CynicGTA
When these vids go up, my side of the world is asleep, when we wake up, we watch 🎉