VERY IMPORTANT, read this before you watch! I get the "limp wrist" comment nearly daily in one video or another with this pistol, but from people who haven't a clue what they are talking about, so I urge you not to jump to conclusions. Most of the issue with malfunctions is the feed ramp, the Lone Wolf AlphaWolf CONVERSION barrel I use has a very thin feed ramp, not wide and loose chamber like a stock Glock feed ramp/chamber. Also, in this video I was not using a 10mm extractor in the conversion, so that didn't help. If you still do not believe me, I did a study of all of the hollow point ammo tests I did with this Glock 41 pistol in both the stock and the conversion setup. Why this is important is because I tested SEVERAL .45 ACP+P rounds that were well over the typical energy level of 10mm, as well as at or above typical 10mm bullet weight, and I never once had a jam in those rounds. Here is the study of just the Glock 41 portion: Glock 41 (.45 ACP) Shots Fired: 93 Malfunctions: 1 Malfunction Rate: 1.1% Glock 41 (10mm Conversion) Shots Fired: 102 Malfunctions: 23 Malfunction Rate: 22.5%
It didn't look at all like you limp wristed the 10mm. I agree with you about the barrel and your comparison of the 45 and 10 mm barrels tells the story very clearly. Your suggestions for use in the woods are appropriate and reasonable. I agree with the game you suggest one could take with these. I would personally opt for heavier for caliber projectiles to have more mass in either one of the two choices you presented.
@@WallSt101 There are 45 Super rounds that do. They require stronger cases and usually a change of springs. (recoil and at times magazine springs as well) There is also the 460 Rowland which is a 45 used in the same magazine made out of a longer case to prevent chambering in a regular 45. It requires a conversion and achieves 44 magnum energies, far surpassing 10mm and 357 which are already quite potent.
My cousin and his friend both got shot with a 357 magnum back in 2008 in my home town Chicago. Both of them lived but his friend is paralyzed from neck down.
My little brother once shot me in the ass with a pellet rifle and there have been very few times in my life where I was more pissed off than that moment.
I own a GP 100 and have thought that I need a 10mm too. However, the initial jam with the 10mm you tested instills by thoughts that I prefer a wheel gun when defending against unhappy critters!
I've never had a jam in 2500 rounds of my Glock 20 or my Springfield xdm elite 10mms but yeah revolvers don't jam but most reliable autos if taken care don't either. It's all personal preference I like and carry both
@Steven Skaggs Looks like Paul's channel has been around since Apr. of 2012, so only 8 years. I guess you can still call him a new guy if you like though.
That jam represents why a 10mm should never be used for beat defense. My Glock 40 has jammed several times. A charging grizzly would tear you apart in less than 2 seconds. If a revolver misfires you just pulled the trigger again, it's your best chance.
Just remember that when both 10mm and 357 magnum are loaded to the limit they both have more than enough power to defend yourself against bad guys or bears. Power wise at max loads they are very close in power. Awesome video as always you don’t disappoint.
@@johnharris8191 watch some of Alaskan Ballistics 10mm and 357 mag ballistics tests. He has done some really good testing with both calibers. The people that live up with those bears probably know what they are doing. If you choose not to use those calibers thats fine but they do the job just fine for those people. All you need to do is penetrate the bears skull and brain. If those calibers loaded warm with hard cast do that then they are very good. That being said for bear defense in PA (yes I know black bears are smaller than brown) I use 44 special or 45 colt revolvers with hard cast bullets. My 44 special load is Lyman 429421 250 grain bullet (BHN 16) at 1000 fps from a 3”. For 45 colt its Lee 452-230-TC (BHN 16) at 1075 fps from 6.5” S&W model 25-15. Ive been handloading and bullet casting since the late 1990s when my father started teaching me. If you want to see what the 44 special load does watch my video where I shoot through a bunch of pressure treated lumber with it.
@@johnharris8191 44 special Lyman 429421 250 grain bullet at 1000 fps. My favorite 44 handload by the way. Its had insane penetration in testing ive done on my channel. It would exit a bears head with no issues. Also my 44 special rides beautiful on my hip in its nylon holster. Those ballistics are from a 3” barrel. I like that you said about 1 shot. Thats correct because brown bears move at you so fast sometimes 1 shot is all you get.
@@jasonvoorhees2701 CNS hits (sever spinal cord or scramble brain) are the only way to avoid the 20 to 30 seconds of overwhelming violence that often happen after the crackhead gets fatally wounded.
@chris chris They both can kill any bear. Would they kill the bear before it kills you is a different story? I would take a 357 loaded with heavy solids to back up my 12 gauge with heavier solids.
@@timothyprice9064 you have a better chance with the 10mm and quicker follow up shots. If you have enough space there's 15 damn tries to stop that bear.
Not only am I impressed with the testing methods and apples to apples comparison regarding barrel length but your accuracy is on point. Very well done.
One of the most complete test videos I’ve seen! I carry the 10mm because I work security and may face multiple people who may be armed with rifles. I am an ex police officer/ firearms instructor. I carry a Glock 29 often for just such reasons. Keep up the great vids, I subscribed!!!!!!
Having been physically involved in a grizzly charge, to this day Im 100% convinced the .357 is the way to go in very high stress situation. Ya the 10mm gives you a higher mag count but doesn't do you any good if you have a jam or ftf and the amount of energy and muscle memory it takes in slow motion just to function during a bear charge is amazing, EVERYTHING moves in very slowmo and with a revolver you just point and click ... what else I clearly remember, your not gonna get off more than 2 rounds before the grizz is directly eating your ass so maybe it really doesnt matter which side arm you prefer.
Even in grizzly country Statistically your way more likely to be killed by a crazy human which is why I prefer 10mm it seems to be better all around for protection from humans Cougars wolves. For strictly grizzly I would prefer a 44 or 454 revolver but you never know what's gonna try to kill you so I settle for 10mm.
That was probably the best 10 mm vs .357 test I have seen. I just got a Henry .357 rifle. I gotta try that ammo through it. If it can do that much damage from a 4 inch barrel, a 20 inch barrel should do even better.
You've made me curious how is that .357 can be used out of 4" pistol barrel and also a 20" rifle barrel - and not have any performance issues with burn-rate, so that it's either too slow of burn, and not fully burned out of the short, or too fast burn rate and has been spent before reaching the muzzle of the rifle? I'm not very familiar with the caliber, but I'd expect hand-loaders would choose different powders depending on if using rifle or pistol and maximize the burn? Or am I just over thinking it?
@@ShastaBean You are correct, around 4" is when the 357 magnum is just starting. The magnum is just such a long cartridge and slow powder burn, anything below 4" does it injustice. A 16-18 inch barrel the 357 is going to be hitting mediocre rifle levels of power (1000-1300 ft-lbs), but bad rifle ballistics just due to the shape, so 75-125 yards? of effectiveness. The longer the barrel the better a 357 will compare to a 10mm. Anything 5" or above the 357 has the clear edge, below 4" I give it to the 10mm. Around 4" is a toss up.
@@christianjadot4459 Interesting...same concept has made me wonder why in the world there are not many 10 mm carbines out there to choose from? I would think that could be an ideal home defense option, especially suppressed? - considering how 300 BO might use heavier bullet to stay below sound, should mean we could have a 200-220 gr .40 cal bullet that ought to be better than a .30 cal?
It's a good apple to apple comparison since you did look for similar sectional densities. Usually what most people trying to compare rounds tend to overlook. As a defensive round in the woods if my choice was limited to a 357, I would use heavier rounds, somewhere in the 180 grains by Underwood, and if my choice was limited to a 10mm, I'd use Underwood as well in 220 grains hard cast if that bullet was properly stabilized in my barrel or a 200 grains weight if the heavier one wasn't stabilized. Both, Underwood and Buffalo Bore make excellent products but Underwood is far more reasonably priced, while both tend to be very accurate, Underwood loads usually exceed advertised velocities. You did a great job with the video. Great comparison and your choices based on sectional densities proved how important S.D is.
I still have 1 of each as of now. The pawnshops still haven’t taken them. Now where did I put the crackers for supper ? Oh, wait that was last night, no supper tonight.
@@GunSam Well, you just lay out what you are going to do, run your tests, and let everyone see the results as they occur. No blowhard diatribes or excess garbage, just some interesting videos.
I'm with you for a kind of admittedly goofy reason. I like being able to use same ammo in rifle and handgun, and .357 lever action is the most fun you can have with your clothes on. You can conceal carry .357 revolver, add in that you can swap cheaper .38 special in both, and perfect set up for me. Yes you can hold more rounds in you striker fire .10 mm Glock, and I really love them as well. But being able to grab a lever action with a concealed revolver that you can run two different rounds of same ammo through both is pretty cool.
I’ve owned both, and felt safer with the simple reliability of the gp100, having owned the glock in 357 sig and 10mm, I just didn’t feel as safe and at times felt like the frame was always on the brink of failure with these high pressure rounds. Probably silly just felt safer with the stainless gp100
Great comparison! Thanks man. I own a few .357 and a Glock 20, and that exact kind of malfunction is why I choose to only carry wheel guns. I carry a small .38 most days, and I'd rather have 5-6 .38 shots than a feed or eject malfunction on my glock 20 that requires you to drop the magazine during a fire fight. After a few malfunctions like that at the range with different autos, I've completely converted to revolvers lol. Otherwise, that 10mm was smoking for the recoil. But, man that .357 was insane.
Thanks. There can be some decent semi autos, but really to be reliable they need to be big and use ammo in the middle for power. Revolvers are nice because I could shoot .38 Short Colt 80 ft lbs then hot .357 Mag 800 ft lbs and it's going to function the same with both.
@@GunSam Looks like the jam happened due to TOO FAST slide speed . The mag spring didn't lift fast enough to keep up with TOO FAST slide speed . Never had a jam in any Glock , I mostly shoot mid range 10mm . I have shot Un Sized Starline brass ( new ) in the G20 that made my Kimber , fail . I now size ALL my new brass for any auto . More is not always better , to shoot indoors with no ear pro , best to shoot 45 acp , mid range 10mm , 38 special . Good test , I would never use any of that ammo . Save 155 gr for 40 S&W , best to use 180 gr +/- ( silver tip 10mm is 175 gr ) & is VERY good stuff , super accurate , perfect results in different media . Many better choices in both rounds . Thanks !
@@christophernemeth421 I don't know , but I don't think so . I will post a video from Wilson Combat they can tell you better than I can . If you need huge power get a 44 or a 308 .
I have the Rock Island Armory Pro Match Ultra 10mm with a 6-inch barrel and a double stack 16 round magazine.... But my EDC is my FNX 45 Tactical with an RMR and double stack 15 round magazine.
@G&G KNLS its a big and heavy animal ,probably up to 9ft tall and 1100 pounds , its not really easy to take down , but a 10mm extreme penetrator in the heart, front of head or maybe multiple in the chest ill do the job really quickly
@@bsouza4441 in a near attack you are lucky to get off 3 rounds befor it hate fucks you, ill stick with 44 magnum as it is the largest thing i can still shoot decently
Glocks are world famous for ""NOT""" Jamming after break in !!!!! Also a lot of people don't know this. After break in you never ever switch ammo , ever. Why because the spring will grow a memory , that's the easiest way to explain it. Same ammo it will not jam ever , but you switch to more powerful it will jam . Same goes for most all semi's ,shotguns and Ar ,Ak etc doesn't fall into the same category ,tolerances are much higher. In English if you decide to carry Remington white box hollow points 180 grain , then stay with it from now on . And your gun will never jam. I'll roll the dice with #30 rounds of 10 mm versus #6 rounds of 357 . Because I'll have my extended clip in there for the chance I could see a Yogi , only an idjut would carry a 16 round mag !!!! Lol. Peace
@Brian Roome Spring memory is nothing new , as a matter of fact it's old news .But it's a fact . Especially with 22l.r. 17 hmr ,22 mag etc. If you start using cci which is a hot round and then after a year switch to economy 2 for a dollar shells ,it's going to jam ,jam, jam. As far as Glocks go I suggest you talk to any Armory or experienced gunsmith , and you'll see why every police department in America carry's them. Because jams are almost non-existent. A department Armory will decide on a round and then the entire department will carry ,practice , and shoot that round , and just that round. Any ammo substituted is an automictic disciplinary action. A write up. Why because any other round could cause jams and failures. A gun is only as good as it's springs. Believe it or not. Peace.
You do a pretty damn good job explaining but I live for the Results and as always ya delivered both are weapons I don’t own but in a year or two I’m gonna get a 357.
@@robertharing7031 Outstanding. I myself just joined the heard, just pulled the trigger on a Taurus 608 this morning. I hope my mileage with the 608 will go as well as your experiences. 🍻
@@evonpaige8873 Good morning Evon ! I can’t sit here and post about having two revolvers with out confession that I bought two.22s a Heritage Rough Rider and a Ruger Wrangler because at one time I was getting down to about 1500 rounds of 22 so I thought having a couple single action pistols would slow my son and I down a bit. What we learned was that they are a hoot to shoot and in the last two months I have purchased over 4500 rounds of.22 . Yesterday when I first got your question about a revolver I was looking at a couple 357s and even if I bought one I cannot find ammunition enough to warrant buying one I’m one of those guys who believes in having a 1000 or more rounds in any calibers I own but one day I will have a 44 or 357 . As for you I’m happy as hell that you got a Taurus I am getting ready to drive to the range to take my 10 year old son I hope that you enjoy your new pistol
@@robertharing7031 yeah, now that you mention it, absolutely, Palmetto State Armory sales a ton of them. 4500 .22, in this climate; well damn!! Your connect must be the "Boss of all Bosses"! I have to wait until the gun show to even dream of seeing .22 ammo and at Bend over and grab your ankles prices. But in my case w/ .357 I reload and have dies for the caliber, and can cast flat nose as well, so any real cost would be new Brass, and a box of unattain-ium/ 1000ct. Magnum Primers. Thnx 4 the quick reply, You are part of the reason why the firearm community is awesome. 🍻
First, excellent video Sam. I love the testing of hot full house rounds. You did a great job putting this together. You got to love Buffalo Bore and Underwood ammo, great companies were you still can find full house rounds loaded to old school spec. I’m a little more partial to Buffalo Bore of the two, as they list certain firearms that each load was tested with and from my experience it’s always exact or real close, You know what your getting when you purchase Buffalo Bore, there quality control and consistency is also as good as it gets. You do a great job trying to make ammo test fair. The tip of bullet length to muzzle end may be the same between the two, but the revolver is dealing with cylinder gap, which is a real thing that has been tested to loose some pressure and velocity because of it, so running revolvers with the same length barrel as a auto loader in my opinion is still fair, but I still appreciate your effort. I have watched Paul Harrel test at least 5 or so different brands of 10mm ammunition and most of them are not much more impressive than .40 S&W. I think only one or so got to around 550lbs of energy and that was the defensive ammo he tested. Now I understand that is watered down factory ammo, and the same could be said for .357 factory offerings, but I feel the .357 and 10mm when both loaded to max potential are very similar in power and energy. You did a great job highlighting that. I believe Buffalo Bore has one or two other offerings in .357 magnum that is even more powerful than the one you tested (at least energy wise).
Thank you. I have done a lot of research into cylinder gap, and while it's all varying based on gap size and ammo choices, basically 5% is the average potential lost. So instead of 1,000 FPS you get 950 FPS, instead of 1,500 you might get 1,400. But sometimes you get basically none like with low end solid copper rounds as they are longer, burn more of the powder quicker if it's a low end round with a low charge of fast powder etc.
Agreed with your last sentence, well the whole comment really. While learning reloading and working up a 180gr lead 357 load I bought a box of BB 180gr bear crushers. Big mistake! Oh there was nothing wrong with the ammo, but 20 of them finished off my German single action army clone. Good news is a few over sized Colt parts fit to it tightened the old iron right up. I retired it to wimpy loads only from now on. Pops gave me his mod 28 duty gun so I'm golden now.
T Hutch you may want to check out Ballistics101.com- gives a good reference to 10mm and what’s watered down and what’s full 10mm power from manufacturers.
Sectional density! Finally! I always consider sectional density before bullet weight when comparing different calibers. Different calibers with different bullet weights seem to me to preform pretty much the same on big game if the sectional density & MV are close to the same with sectional density being the more important of the two.
I forgot that the first Glock I ever shot was a 10 mm I immediately went out and bought a Glock 21 because back in the early 90s a 45 was a good carry gun for me I used to have a shoulder holster and with 3 -13 round mags I thought I was the shit
Why I Carry An FNX 45 Tactical I conceal carry an FNX 45 Tactical with Trigicon RMR every day without ANY problems. It's for a variety of reasons. 1) I have arthritis, and a "full size" gun is easy for me to hold and shoot. 2) It's built from the ground up to be fully ambidextrous, and with arthritis you never know when you'll have to use your off hand (and, Yes... I train with my off hand about as much as I do with my dominant hand). 3) It was already milled for an an RMR... Something I had thought was a "nice overpriced gadget" that I'd never buy... Until I learned it solved the problem of aging eyes and bifocals 4) It carries a 15 round magazine! Yep... That's 15+1 of 45 ACP! 5) It comes with a 5.3" threaded barrel, so putting a suppressor on it is easy. I will be getting one for really ONE primary reason. I don't want to damage my hearing, if I have to use the weapon if someone breaks into my apartment. I searched "forever" for a 9 mm that would provide ALL these features, without ANY success. Changing a gun to add these features after purchase, even IF POSSIBLE, would cost more than I paid for the 45 Tactical to begin with.
These are seriously the best loads for each caliber in my opinion for raw performance. Sam I truly believe you have a setup of testing that is better than any ballistic gel made to date period. The jugs act as tendons or ligaments would in a body, so in my experience gel test are not as telling as your tests are! Excellent job and very well done brother, Thank you! God bless! 👍👍🙏🇺🇸
Thanks, I never thought of the jugs like that but maybe. Or maybe some clear ballistics gel with fiber board in a few inches or something might be good.
@@GunSam No test is able to approximate what rounds do in the body. That's why lower caliber pistol loads do so much damage to the body. Ask any trauma surgeon and they will tell you horror stories about even the lowly 380.
I say it all the time on cartridge comparison videos... I don't want a "fair" test. If I'm watching a drag race between a Corvette and a Civic I don't want them to pull four spark plugs out of the Vette to make it "fair". I want to see each cartridge pushed to its limit so I know which offers what I'm looking for.
I agree for the most part. I remember growing up in the 1980's in elementary school and even then you would always hear the boys with the whole ".45 is the best", then ".357 Magnum is better", so naturally when doing tests like .357 Mag VS .45 ACP I like to shoot a hyper velocity 125 gr .357 Mag VS a 230 gr .45 ACP as these are their best foot forward. Did they ever compare in ballistics? No, but were they the top talked about for a long time? Yes, and do they both have loads in the mid 90 percentile of "stopping power charts"- yes, so being their are "comparable" mentally and practically, it's fun to compare them but using what is the opposite ballistically 230 gr VS 125. Now with 10mm, well the two are definitely different and almost as far apart as lets say ".357 Mag vs .45 ACP", however with all of these ballistic experts out there saying that 10mm is always more powerful than .357 mag and "just as good as .44 mag", I felt like doing this video for fun, neither of these are typical I know, but fun nonetheless.
Very nice comparison, I'm am a 10mm fan , I've had both but the 10 with 16 rounds is hard to beat. I've taken 37 hogs up to 210 lbs out to 62 yards never shot one twice also have taken 31 whitetail deer out to about 60 yards and had the same results DRT. Keep up the good work my friend.
Sam, as a .38/.357 revolver advocate- your channel is like a goldmine of fun stuff for me to watch. I appreciate semi’s, but man… it’s revolver for me every day of the week! Your videos got me to explore some underwood hard cast to carry with me as my kids and I hike and camp out here in the high desert of Arizona. Mountain lions are everywhere out here and with that hot hardcast I feel a bit better prepared. Thanks man
Glad to see something doing this test, that understands sectional density. So many of the .357 vs 10mm are completely useless, because of this. Bullet weight doesn't matter, sectional density is what matters
I'm still in the starting phase of knowing 10mm ballistics lol. Most of what I have for calibers I have a Rolodex in my head of information. 10mm I still have to look up!
Great video. I have both the Glock 20 in 10mm and a ruger GP100 357 mag with a 6" barrel. The Glock might have the edge because it is a little easier to carry with higher capacity and as your video shows almost identical ballistics. Revolvers are great to own and shoot as well. It seems you have to wear glasses to protect yourself from flying bologna than you do from the firearms.
Thanks. Actually I do have one handgun, my S&W 342 PD in .38 Special, and more than once for whatever reason hot particles have embedded in my face right below my glasses, and this is just from shooting paper.
Those are my two dream handguns man. I turned 21 a few days ago and i was choosing between those two for my first handgun. due to cost, I went with the Glock 20. Will definitely be picking up the Gp100 once I get back from college to my summer job.
Excellent Test!!!! Both guns got a fair & even comparison & they are virtually the same gun with minimal differences if you consider a 347 8 round revolver. So my question now is why is a 10mm being marketed as a “bear gun” (grizzly/brown bear)& the 357 is not. Considering Hard Cast bullets/Extreme Penetrators, you have the same gun???? Granted, I’d prefer a 44 Magnum Revolver or a 30-30 Winchester which much more powerful than a 44 Magnum Revolver, but the 30-30 is also not considered a “bear gun” while the 44 Revolver is.... But that’s another show. Excellent test, well done.
Thanks. I think the 10mm is becoming more popular as a bear gun based 90% on capacity. For this reason the normal argument is for 10mm in a pistol rather than .44 Mag in a revolver. Now in terms of .44 Mag VS .357 Mag, what makes the .44 better is more power and larger and heavier bullets. Round per round 10mm is sort of in the middle, it has power more like a hot .357 but bullet weights more like .44, and that extra weight aids in better momentum and penetration through thick things. However, a hot 180 gr .357 would do similarly well. So again, it's mostly a capacity thing, and 10mm just happens to have just enough ability to work against a bear better than most other readily available semi auto cartridges.
This is actually a pretty good video. If someone needed a sidearm in the woods, the 10 and .357 are the reasonable choices...and that particular ammo would be at the top of the list. Good work. ...and that’s some serious velocity out of those short barrels.
Man! You said you were going to get the heavy stuff with 10 vs 357 and you weren't kidding! Those are two very impressive rounds. I believe your theory of sectional density is dead on and I kinda wish others looked at it this way. I have thought this for a while but haven't put together any good testing lately. Because the sectional density AND the foot pounds are both very close I think it makes these two rounds perfect to compare. I don't have a specific need for these weight rounds right now, but I love the test for the great comparison, and I love featuring the heavy hitting rounds! Same companies with heavier bullets next? I can only hope! Good job Sir, good job!
Also if that jam keeps happening you might consider moving down to a 20 pound spring. My g20 still works fine with the 20, and occasionally I run a mag or two of 40sw fmj's through it and it has been perfect with them too.
@@plasticglock Thanks. I will probably test some hard cast 180 vs 220 gr ammo at some point, but more of a dangerous game type of thing. I sort of want to get some sort of leather and put it in from of two bologna packs and then a two by four. I don't know how well this represents a huge animal like a brown bear, but I feel like if anything the test medium will be overkill. I swapped the 17 lb factory spring for the 22 lb NDZ, but on really low end ammo I also got one jam with the 22 lb spring. So I don't know what to think. I tested the 200 gr Gold Dot ammo with the 22 lb'r and had no jams, I also tested the Winchester Defender 180 gr which was hot with the 17 lbs spring, no jams but it felt like the stock spring didn't absorb anything, I could feel the slide snapping back. The spring is new for the 22 lb so I will just keep using it, maybe it will loosen up.
@@GunSam it might. i just dug mine out of the safe. They are flat wire by IMSI, and I have their captured guide rod too. The 22 is still in the bag. I just haven't had enough time to try and compare them. Popped in the 20 and it's still there. It did smooth out the recoil. It's not less, imo. It's just a smoother impulse. I never added Loctite to the screw/bolt either but it's still in there. I carry it in the field multiple times a week. And when things go bump in the night, it comes with me to the fight.
@@GunSam I have their Stainless rods in all my Glocks , I kept stock weight ( don't remember what that is ) . I heard from some Trusted gun guys ( don't remember > like Wilson ) RE: spring weight / recoil / Full power ammo . They said you can shoot a 45 ACP 1911 with ZERO spring & that the job of the spring is to RETURN the slide home . That a heavy spring / heavy slide gives the shooter >> The FEELING
@@GunSam I did a quick look at that topic .. too much to list here . Bottom line , you need to test to find what works . I trust Glock to do that work for me .. I don't know . I agree with this pro shooter >> ua-cam.com/video/eoqIlWsMhMk/v-deo.html
Thank you for providing a professional target support system. What an improvement over most test videos where everything including the tables many use for supporting targets falls down. Also, comparing the different calibers using their sectional densities is a great idea. I would like to see how using the same type of 150-grain bullet in .357 compares with the other two results. Thank you for a very good video.
That was a nice comparison, thanks for doing this. I think for a more equal ballistic base, it would be great to compare 10mm vs 41 Magnum with the same hot rounds you are selecting. Good job!
Thank you. While .41 mag would be cool, getting into something new I'm going with .44 mag as there's a lot more ammo to test, makes a $1,000 purchase more justified with all the .44 special and 44 mag ammo out there.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Yes, I understand. 44 Magnum it’s considerably more powerful than 357 Mag, 10 mm and a bit more than 41 Magnum. I suggested 41 Magnum thinking for a more equal ballistic comparison in semiautomatic vs revolver loads in the 10mm base. Anyway, it’s gonna be fun to watch your 44 Magnum videos. Stay safe!
Recently got a 10mm so I'm cruising the older vids. Normally I prefer penetration over expansion, but jaysus! that UW load was insane. Moving that fast it should be a pretty flat shooter too. Hard to imagine what it would do to a human attacker; probably cause some consternation at the hospital.
I was thinking about buying a new 10 mm this week. Now I think I'll just stick to my .357's. Guess I no longer see an upside to owning one now. I've always carried a revolver and see no reason to change now.
What about the senario where there are 3 armed home invaders/robber that dont run. Or when you drive down that particular road and a couple guys are dumping a body in the ditch and decide to chase you and pit you off the road. Sure maybe 2 speed loaders on the belt but most gunfights seen on the ASP channel are beyond 6 shots.
Great video, both are nice shooters. I would like to have seen normal weights for these calibers though, 180 for 10mm and 158 for the 357. This is were the 10mm has an advantage, IMO, up close, bigger and heavier bullets. I like the 10mm underwood 200 gn XTP @1250 FPS.
EXCELLENT VIDEO , they're all immensely informative and just awesomely entertaining Your ammo testing methods are brilliant and "Real World" . My personal favorite caliber is .357mag. , and this evaluation reinforces my belief that this ol' round is still going strong ! Thank you so much for providing us , the Viewers , with such valuable information . Incidentally , I own a Glock 41 which the magazine drops out with just about every shot . I believe it's an inherent Factory Defect with these guns . I plan on sending mine straight back to Glock . At any rate , THANKS , AGAIN !!!
Thank you! Thanks for taking into consideration sectional density. Other 10mm vs .357 mag vids use 180 in 10 and 357! I’m shaking my head during the whole vid. Not going to work their way. Great vid keep ‘em coming.
Great rounds to test. Super good results on both. I have carried 357 mag in 90s. I liked 140 & 158. But this type of velocity & energy is excellent for personal protection. The 10 is also excellent for PP, HD & maybe edc. I did carry my woods gun a G29 as an edc a bit when I first got it. Carried Double Tap 165gr. Gold Dot. But good folk discouraged it for fear of legal problems if it had to be used in a self defense situation. Thanks Sam.
Impressive test, l use Buffalo Bore 158 grain swchp in my 38 special. Excellent self defense round. Your correct, Buffalo Bore is excellent ammo. I'll stick with 357, 10mm would require another gun purchase, and ammo. I enjoy your channel, finally subbed! Shoot straight, and keep the faith!
Great review 👏 thank you. I understand what your reasoning behind sectional density is but you still should have gotten a 158 grain 357 BB to compare also. There is a video on you tube and the man is shooting 3 different Buffalo Bore loads 125 Gr, 158gr, & 180gr 357 mag. And very clearly to see 👀 the 158 grain hits the steel substantially harder than the 125 grain. In your test here the 10MM is the clear winner but compared with a 158 grain 357mag the outcome is going to be closer to equal with no clear 🏆 winner. In fact the 357 may appear just ever so slightly more powerful. In my mind the ultimate test would be the Underwood 10mm 200 gr hard cast againt the Buffalo Bore 357 mag 180gr hard cast heavy. They are both very powerful loads.
I was able to shoot a.357 magnum with a barrel 8 3/8” long, using Buffalo Bore 180 gr hunting rounds. What can I say? YAHOO! That’s what I can say! I’d have no problems at all with hunting white tail deer within bow hunting distances. It’s got some drop but adjustable sights can compensate. Practice is a good idea. But yeah! Buffalo Bore knows their business!
barnacle pete y’all must be using weak bows! I wouldn’t try killing a deer with it beyond about 50 yards. Not because it’s not deadly beyond that but because of ethical concerns.
First time watching this gent. Not caliber biased. Informative. Good production. I've subscribed and look forward to future submissions from other tests.
great video. im a revolver guy too, but was thoroughly impressed by the underwood performance. but i think for handloading the advantage might go to the 357. chuke swears the 10 takes down browns just fine, and the 357 has long proven itself there too (in heavier loads). so looks like its a preference thing between auto and revolver
@@GunSam i hear that grade 5 porcelain tiles are a decent substitute for bone (or as close as you can get). but im guessing just a little more expensive
Might be my recoil spring, went from 17 lb stock to 22 lb. Often times the recoil energy of handguns is 5-10 ft lbs, so I could see how just 5 ft lbs might absorb some of that.
Sam you’re an absolute surgeon with that Smith revolver! The only way you could get more bologna splatter would be strapping a hand grenade (literally) to the bologna pack!! Haha! Makes me giggle like an idiot every time I see the bologna go flying everywhere. Another great video Sam.
Some days the accuracy or lack of is on me, and some days the ammo is either not great, or really good. So what we see here is really good ammo while i'm having a good day, fun to see.
I've done a lot of reloading with hot .357 loads. It's one of my favorite calibers for whitetail deer hunting. I use an old Contender with a compensated ten inch barrel. You can achieve really impressive results with hot .357 loads on game. But, those loads stay on a whole other shelf than the ones I put in my model 60 Smith.
Yes sir that's good stuff right there. I do both calibers and really appreciate 357 getting a fair test. But 10mm is my new bear defense load because of capacity. I load 180gr lead bear crushers for both, and I also think my Glock has milder recoil than my 357 revolvers. Not sure if it's the semi auto action or the different powders or a little of both.
@@brianb900 That's what I think, but it could be the powder to. I use Power Pistol for 10mm and had been using IMR4227 for revolvers. I recently started loading H110 in that 180 gr 357 and a 300gr 44 mag. H110 is supposed to achieve higher velocities than 4227. It's early but I swear my 44 mag primers look better, and maybe the recoil feels less snappy. And H110 357 loads also shows better primers in a rifle. There are 30 rounds of 44 mag 300 gr coated bullets in there waiting to be tested in 2 guns. I'll know more after I shoot them. Powders are making a difference to the primers for sure, but the recoil is subjective. I'd have to do both powders at the same time to really tell.
I have a 10mm in a 1911 platform and a couple 357 revolvers. With normal factory loadings, 158 gr - 1700 fps - 357 and 180 gr - 1200 fps - 10mm, I get more energy from the 10mm. I attribute this to the cylinder gap of the revolvers. In my experience with factory loads, the 10mm has slightly more power. But the 2 cartridges are very similar. They are both excellent cartridges for time spwnt in the woods or mountains. Many folks in Alaska are using the 10mm for nbear defense now. They use heavy for caliber hard cast bullets for maximum penetration. However, there is much debate on whether the 10mm is adequate for brown bear protection. I find very few carrying a 357.
Very nice. Definitely 2 good loads to keep in mind. BB has always seemed like a great company. Looks like Underwood is coming along too. I de-intensify a few of the bad things i have said about them. Lol. Don't own a 10mm yet, but it is on the list. Especially if i move to Alaska in the future, which is becoming more likely.
9x19 Underwood 124g bonded jhp VS 357Sig Underwood 125g bonded jhp would be very interesting to me at least! I either carry a G32 or P365...just my personally curiosity. LOL. Great channel! Enjoying watching and trying to get current. Thank you!
Love your videos but personally I have no need or can find the use for a 10mm. I love the 357 but only shoot it out of a full size heavy revolver. In my snub nose I shoot 38+p.
Thank you. I would agree too. Sort of a niche market for big game protection as the heavy hard cast bullets to well, but regular old hollow points are just sill for any practical purpose.
Damn! The 10mm achieves these velocities with heavier bullets, big up to it. I own .357 with 6" barrel and it is always best in buffalo bore ammo, but overall both calibers are pretty equal in almost all aspects. You will not go wrong with either, I think I must now also get Glock in 10mm, it seems to have a slight edge on pentration. Grt video.
That's a conversion. My Glock mod 20 and mod 40 shoot anything. I have never had a jam or misfeed in over 1000 rounds through each. You can't go by his conversion, they suck.
Glock is a great platform and very dependable, although I'm not a fan of Glocks themselves I do have several plastic wonder guns. They all have the same drawback, and that is the ammo. If the round doesn't go boom the gun don't cycle. The only way for sure to know if round works is to shoot it and then it's useless. Then you have rereack the action and try again. On a revolver of the ammo fails, simply pull the trigger again. Again, I'm a firm believer in revolvers. Old technology isn't relagated to no good because something else replaces it. Look at knives, Does a ceramic blade mean a good carbon steel blade is less effective than it ever was? I carry several revolvers and a couple of blades every day and have so for over 30 years. I won't change now.
I think they make 3- the GP 100 Match Champion, the Redhawk, and the Super Redhawk. Way back when, they made a convertible Blackhawk with cylinders in 38-40 and 10mm. S&W is making the 610 again also.
Once I get into near $1,000 revolvers, I would much rather get a .44 Mag, as if the capacity is lower you might as well have more power per round. Plus I got about 1,000 .44 Mag brass I saved 7 years ago when I used to have a .44 Mag, and i'm a good hand loader.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ would you say the .44 has more power than 10mm and .357? Have you done a video on the .44? It’s an amazing caliber, but I don’t have much experience with it.
Great video, love the comparison. I have a GP100 in 10mm, that would be an interesting comparison to 357 mag revolver since B/C gap is also something that plays into affect. I prefer revolvers because I've been reloading for close to 30 years, nothing like being able to just dump your brass in your shooting bag. Your comparison are completely logical since both calibers are represented in their most common form of handgun, but If you ever get your hands on a 10mm in a revolver, or a 357 mag in an auto, I'd love to see the ballistics again with the same ammo. I have a feeling the 357 might edge out the 10mm due to the B/C gap energy loss, but then you also have the slide recoil energy loss as well? Either way, you did an excellent job, and this is by far the best and most informative 357/10mm comparison I've ever seen. Good job!
I use to have a glock 20 gen 3 with a 6" Kkm barrel & a 22lbs wolf spring but the biggest problem is that with hot rounds it would always jam so I moved on to the 357's I feel like revolvers handle the power better.
@@mitchellnelms7572 Yep , some are OK but you need to test a lot B 4 you trust it . I had a RUGER Redhawk a guy put a wolf spring kit in ( lighter ) about 1 shot in 50 would not fire , I traded it to a friend that still has it ( many years ) , I would not give it to him before I got a new spring set from Ruger to install . Redhawks , are great but don't have the BEST stock trigger pull , it was OK , but it must fire 100% !!!!!!! I asked him years ago if he wanted to trade back .. he said NO! 5.5" 44 is a great size , very user friendly .
I'm impressed with your test medium and attention to detail. I'm a big fan of 10mm. Whether out of my 5" 1911 or 16" carbine, performance is outstanding.
Once again, great testing of two individual calibers with similar strengths !! They were relatively close results, either would work for a back country backup pistol in the lower 48 of the USA ... for any predator ... except grizzlies. Thanks for another good vid
VERY IMPORTANT, read this before you watch!
I get the "limp wrist" comment nearly daily in one video or another with this pistol, but from people who haven't a clue what they are talking about, so I urge you not to jump to conclusions. Most of the issue with malfunctions is the feed ramp, the Lone Wolf AlphaWolf CONVERSION barrel I use has a very thin feed ramp, not wide and loose chamber like a stock Glock feed ramp/chamber. Also, in this video I was not using a 10mm extractor in the conversion, so that didn't help. If you still do not believe me, I did a study of all of the hollow point ammo tests I did with this Glock 41 pistol in both the stock and the conversion setup. Why this is important is because I tested SEVERAL .45 ACP+P rounds that were well over the typical energy level of 10mm, as well as at or above typical 10mm bullet weight, and I never once had a jam in those rounds. Here is the study of just the Glock 41 portion:
Glock 41 (.45 ACP)
Shots Fired: 93
Malfunctions: 1
Malfunction Rate: 1.1%
Glock 41 (10mm Conversion)
Shots Fired: 102
Malfunctions: 23
Malfunction Rate: 22.5%
I’m not aware of any .45 acp +p round that surpasses a real 10mm load in energy. No one makes a .45 acp that comes any where near 700lbs of energy
FWIW, XTPs are designed to expand at both slower and higher speeds. That is kind of their thing.
Agreed with the other comments, there are no 45 acp+p rounds that will compare with a 200 grain 10mm round. Just isn’t happening because physics.
It didn't look at all like you limp wristed the 10mm. I agree with you about the barrel and your comparison of the 45 and 10 mm barrels tells the story very clearly. Your suggestions for use in the woods are appropriate and reasonable. I agree with the game you suggest one could take with these. I would personally opt for heavier for caliber projectiles to have more mass in either one of the two choices you presented.
@@WallSt101 There are 45 Super rounds that do. They require stronger cases and usually a change of springs. (recoil and at times magazine springs as well)
There is also the 460 Rowland which is a 45 used in the same magazine made out of a longer case to prevent chambering in a regular 45. It requires a conversion and achieves 44 magnum energies, far surpassing 10mm and 357 which are already quite potent.
Note to self.
Never get shot by a 10mm or a 357 magnum.
So who would want to get shot by even a 22LR? Not many volunteers.
My cousin and his friend both got shot with a 357 magnum back in 2008 in my home town Chicago. Both of them lived but his friend is paralyzed from neck down.
Right on brother
@@partyfavors9238 sorry to hear that
My little brother once shot me in the ass with a pellet rifle and there have been very few times in my life where I was more pissed off than that moment.
I own a GP 100 and have thought that I need a 10mm too. However, the initial jam with the 10mm you tested instills by thoughts that I prefer a wheel gun when defending against unhappy critters!
I'm not a wheel gun fan so much, but there is little doubt about the reliability of a follow up shot with one as opposed to autos!
There are 10mm revolvers available.
I've never had a jam in 2500 rounds of my Glock 20 or my Springfield xdm elite 10mms but yeah revolvers don't jam but most reliable autos if taken care don't either. It's all personal preference I like and carry both
Revolvers are usually more accurate too!😉
@@D-A-1776 I have the tisas d10 10MM 1911 I have yet to had a failure of any kind. I have run everything from magtech to buffalo bore.
since TNoutdoors9 retired you and paul harell have become my go to ammo test channels 😃
Thank you.
I agree
@Steven Skaggs New guys, haha. I won't tell Paul you said that.
@Steven Skaggs Yes, but Paul Harrell is far from new. I think it's been about that long or longer for him.
@Steven Skaggs Looks like Paul's channel has been around since Apr. of 2012, so only 8 years. I guess you can still call him a new guy if you like though.
That jam represents why a 10mm should never be used for beat defense. My Glock 40 has jammed several times. A charging grizzly would tear you apart in less than 2 seconds. If a revolver misfires you just pulled the trigger again, it's your best chance.
Just remember that when both 10mm and 357 magnum are loaded to the limit they both have more than enough power to defend yourself against bad guys or bears. Power wise at max loads they are very close in power. Awesome video as always you don’t disappoint.
Goodies vs baddies or us vs them. It is always the same mindset.
I would not use either one against a brown bear.
@@johnharris8191 watch some of Alaskan Ballistics 10mm and 357 mag ballistics tests. He has done some really good testing with both calibers. The people that live up with those bears probably know what they are doing. If you choose not to use those calibers thats fine but they do the job just fine for those people. All you need to do is penetrate the bears skull and brain. If those calibers loaded warm with hard cast do that then they are very good. That being said for bear defense in PA (yes I know black bears are smaller than brown) I use 44 special or 45 colt revolvers with hard cast bullets. My 44 special load is Lyman 429421 250 grain bullet (BHN 16) at 1000 fps from a 3”. For 45 colt its Lee 452-230-TC (BHN 16) at 1075 fps from 6.5” S&W model 25-15. Ive been handloading and bullet casting since the late 1990s when my father started teaching me. If you want to see what the 44 special load does watch my video where I shoot through a bunch of pressure treated lumber with it.
@@jw-sigp2258, If you only had time to defend yourself with one shot, what caliber would you use?
@@johnharris8191 44 special Lyman 429421 250 grain bullet at 1000 fps. My favorite 44 handload by the way. Its had insane penetration in testing ive done on my channel. It would exit a bears head with no issues. Also my 44 special rides beautiful on my hip in its nylon holster. Those ballistics are from a 3” barrel. I like that you said about 1 shot. Thats correct because brown bears move at you so fast sometimes 1 shot is all you get.
357 mag is a hard hitting round tried and proven
That .357 magnum is almost producing carbine velocities in a handgun.... amazing!
Nothing on two legs could stay standing after taking a solid hit from either of these rounds
Dont underestimate a crack head ...
REALLY??
NOthing???
NO One ever???
@@jasonvoorhees2701 That's what head shots are for. Cracked head for sure.
@@jasonvoorhees2701 CNS hits (sever spinal cord or scramble brain) are the only way to avoid the 20 to 30 seconds of overwhelming violence that often happen after the crackhead gets fatally wounded.
Good comparison with the 10 MM and 357 Magnum both will provide enough stopping power for whatever you carry them for.
Thank you.
@chris chris They both can kill any bear. Would they kill the bear before it kills you is a different story? I would take a 357 loaded with heavy solids to back up my 12 gauge with heavier solids.
@chris chris 8 shots, but that might be the case with the solids even if you were successful. 5-inch S&W performance Center 8 shot.
@@timothyprice9064 you have a better chance with the 10mm and quicker follow up shots. If you have enough space there's 15 damn tries to stop that bear.
@@Theyoufeelme Yes I agree you get more shots with the 10mm, why do you say you get quicker follow-up shots?
Not only am I impressed with the testing methods and apples to apples comparison regarding barrel length but your accuracy is on point. Very well done.
One of the most complete test videos I’ve seen! I carry the 10mm because I work security and may face multiple people who may be armed with rifles. I am an ex police officer/ firearms instructor. I carry a Glock 29 often for just such reasons. Keep up the great vids, I subscribed!!!!!!
What is it load with.
@@sgtbones1837 wadcutters
Having been physically involved in a grizzly charge, to this day Im 100% convinced the .357 is the way to go in very high stress situation. Ya the 10mm gives you a higher mag count but doesn't do you any good if you have a jam or ftf and the amount of energy and muscle memory it takes in slow motion just to function during a bear charge is amazing, EVERYTHING moves in very slowmo and with a revolver you just point and click ... what else I clearly remember, your not gonna get off more than 2 rounds before the grizz is directly eating your ass so maybe it really doesnt matter which side arm you prefer.
Even in grizzly country Statistically your way more likely to be killed by a crazy human which is why I prefer 10mm it seems to be better all around for protection from humans Cougars wolves. For strictly grizzly I would prefer a 44 or 454 revolver but you never know what's gonna try to kill you so I settle for 10mm.
Make my carry a 12ga 3" mag pump shotgun... I ain't "f"ing around with one little bullet.
Good point! 10mm for me as a do it all outdoors sidearm, I dont have grizzlies where I live
I pooped my pants simply just reading your comment and imagining a charging Grizzly
@@rockie307 Why not use the 44 for crazy humans too lol.
That was probably the best 10 mm vs .357 test I have seen. I just got a Henry .357 rifle. I gotta try that ammo through it. If it can do that much damage from a 4 inch barrel, a 20 inch barrel should do even better.
You've made me curious how is that .357 can be used out of 4" pistol barrel and also a 20" rifle barrel - and not have any performance issues with burn-rate, so that it's either too slow of burn, and not fully burned out of the short, or too fast burn rate and has been spent before reaching the muzzle of the rifle? I'm not very familiar with the caliber, but I'd expect hand-loaders would choose different powders depending on if using rifle or pistol and maximize the burn? Or am I just over thinking it?
Henry needs to make a 10mm rifle
@@ShastaBean You are correct, around 4" is when the 357 magnum is just starting. The magnum is just such a long cartridge and slow powder burn, anything below 4" does it injustice. A 16-18 inch barrel the 357 is going to be hitting mediocre rifle levels of power (1000-1300 ft-lbs), but bad rifle ballistics just due to the shape, so 75-125 yards? of effectiveness.
The longer the barrel the better a 357 will compare to a 10mm. Anything 5" or above the 357 has the clear edge, below 4" I give it to the 10mm. Around 4" is a toss up.
@@christianjadot4459 Interesting...same concept has made me wonder why in the world there are not many 10 mm carbines out there to choose from? I would think that could be an ideal home defense option, especially suppressed? - considering how 300 BO might use heavier bullet to stay below sound, should mean we could have a 200-220 gr .40 cal bullet that ought to be better than a .30 cal?
It's a good apple to apple comparison since you did look for similar sectional densities. Usually what most people trying to compare rounds tend to overlook. As a defensive round in the woods if my choice was limited to a 357, I would use heavier rounds, somewhere in the 180 grains by Underwood, and if my choice was limited to a 10mm, I'd use Underwood as well in 220 grains hard cast if that bullet was properly stabilized in my barrel or a 200 grains weight if the heavier one wasn't stabilized. Both, Underwood and Buffalo Bore make excellent products but Underwood is far more reasonably priced, while both tend to be very accurate, Underwood loads usually exceed advertised velocities. You did a great job with the video. Great comparison and your choices based on sectional densities proved how important S.D is.
Some onion and cheese would be great, just open your mouth and lunch is served. Cool vid, 357 all day
with a side of dirt and bullet fragments.
I'm a big 357 guy.great video.
Thank you.
G20 for me, S&W 686 for the wife.....lose lose for home invaders...
I still have 1 of each as of now. The pawnshops still haven’t taken them. Now where did I put the crackers for supper ? Oh, wait that was last night, no supper tonight.
S&W 686 any day of the week. You can have the Glock:-)
@@blacksmith44 oh yeah I'll take my 15plus1 Glock 20 all day long
Top Fuel drag racing at its finest, much fun to watch!
The .357 is just the Carry King. One wheel gun to rule them all.
I like the 10mm but am in love with the 357. Good video
Thanks!
@@GunSam u welcome. You know you are one of the best if not the best gun reviewer out there. Keep the good content coming.
@@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643 Thanks! I don't know why lol. I usually just do my thing though how I want to see things done, don't copy people etc.
@@GunSam Well, you just lay out what you are going to do, run your tests, and let everyone see the results as they occur. No blowhard diatribes or excess garbage, just some interesting videos.
I'm with you for a kind of admittedly goofy reason.
I like being able to use same ammo in rifle and handgun, and .357 lever action is the most fun you can have with your clothes on. You can conceal carry .357 revolver, add in that you can swap cheaper .38 special in both, and perfect set up for me.
Yes you can hold more rounds in you striker fire .10 mm Glock, and I really love them as well. But being able to grab a lever action with a concealed revolver that you can run two different rounds of same ammo through both is pretty cool.
I’ve owned both, and felt safer with the simple reliability of the gp100, having owned the glock in 357 sig and 10mm, I just didn’t feel as safe and at times felt like the frame was always on the brink of failure with these high pressure rounds. Probably silly just felt safer with the stainless gp100
The G20 has never failed me but the first couple rounds I'm always waiting for the frame to blow up. Be well!
I own a gp100 with 6 inch barrel what's the stopping power Luke iv only shot targets on a burn barrel
Great comparison! Thanks man. I own a few .357 and a Glock 20, and that exact kind of malfunction is why I choose to only carry wheel guns. I carry a small .38 most days, and I'd rather have 5-6 .38 shots than a feed or eject malfunction on my glock 20 that requires you to drop the magazine during a fire fight. After a few malfunctions like that at the range with different autos, I've completely converted to revolvers lol. Otherwise, that 10mm was smoking for the recoil. But, man that .357 was insane.
Thanks. There can be some decent semi autos, but really to be reliable they need to be big and use ammo in the middle for power. Revolvers are nice because I could shoot .38 Short Colt 80 ft lbs then hot .357 Mag 800 ft lbs and it's going to function the same with both.
@@GunSam Looks like the jam happened due to TOO FAST slide speed . The mag spring didn't lift fast enough to keep up with TOO FAST slide speed . Never had a jam in any Glock , I mostly shoot mid range 10mm . I have shot Un Sized Starline brass ( new ) in the G20 that made my Kimber , fail . I now size ALL my new brass for any auto . More is not always better , to shoot indoors with no ear pro , best to shoot 45 acp , mid range 10mm , 38 special . Good test , I would never use any of that ammo . Save 155 gr for 40 S&W , best to use 180 gr +/- ( silver tip 10mm is 175 gr ) & is VERY good stuff , super accurate , perfect results in different media . Many better choices in both rounds . Thanks !
Would a heavier slider spring correct that issue if someone decided to carry that round?
@@christophernemeth421 I don't know , but I don't think so . I will post a video from Wilson Combat they can tell you better than I can . If you need huge power get a 44 or a 308 .
@@christophernemeth421 Wilson Combat has lots of good video , this one they talk about what my point is ua-cam.com/video/rjOPiZhEwA8/v-deo.html
10mm is my favorite , 15 or more rounds capacity , heavier bullets
I have the Rock Island Armory Pro Match Ultra 10mm with a 6-inch barrel and a double stack 16 round magazine....
But my EDC is my FNX 45 Tactical with an RMR and double stack 15 round magazine.
I carry the XDM with the 5.3" barrel and I could not agree with you more!
@@plnbdy 10mm is real power cartridge for a semi auto pistol . You can shoot a bad guy or destroy a Bear using the same gun
@G&G KNLS its a big and heavy animal ,probably up to 9ft tall and 1100 pounds , its not really easy to take down , but a 10mm extreme penetrator in the heart, front of head or maybe multiple in the chest ill do the job really quickly
@@bsouza4441 in a near attack you are lucky to get off 3 rounds befor it hate fucks you, ill stick with 44 magnum as it is the largest thing i can still shoot decently
well 10mm was trying to make a round that would shoot in an automatic but have the power of a .357.
noticed the .357 didn't jam.
Glocks are world famous for ""NOT""" Jamming after break in !!!!! Also a lot of people don't know this. After break in you never ever switch ammo , ever. Why because the spring will grow a memory , that's the easiest way to explain it. Same ammo it will not jam ever , but you switch to more powerful it will jam . Same goes for most all semi's ,shotguns and Ar ,Ak etc doesn't fall into the same category ,tolerances are much higher. In English if you decide to carry Remington white box hollow points 180 grain , then stay with it from now on . And your gun will never jam. I'll roll the dice with #30 rounds of 10 mm versus #6 rounds of 357 . Because I'll have my extended clip in there for the chance I could see a Yogi , only an idjut would carry a 16 round mag !!!! Lol. Peace
@Brian Roome Spring memory is nothing new , as a matter of fact it's old news .But it's a fact . Especially with 22l.r. 17 hmr ,22 mag etc. If you start using cci which is a hot round and then after a year switch to economy 2 for a dollar shells ,it's going to jam ,jam, jam. As far as Glocks go I suggest you talk to any Armory or experienced gunsmith , and you'll see why every police department in America carry's them. Because jams are almost non-existent. A department Armory will decide on a round and then the entire department will carry ,practice , and shoot that round , and just that round. Any ammo substituted is an automictic disciplinary action. A write up. Why because any other round could cause jams and failures. A gun is only as good as it's springs. Believe it or not. Peace.
The Glock in this video is a half ass conversion from a .45 so it’s not factory reliable
Here's all I got to say about what I want when a bear charges me: ua-cam.com/video/cVW8MpaAwK0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NRANationalFirearmsMuseum
@@thebigfellar7178 Any link you can provide to back this up?
Can't go wrong with either cartridge. Blue dot powder works great for fire breathing loads in both .357 and 10mm.
You do a pretty damn good job explaining but I live for the Results and as always ya delivered both are weapons I don’t own but in a year or two I’m gonna get a 357.
Well, How 'bout that revolver?
@@evonpaige8873 Update 2021 I now have two wheel guns and I love them both
@@robertharing7031 Outstanding. I myself just joined the heard, just pulled the trigger on a Taurus 608 this morning. I hope my mileage with the 608 will go as well as your experiences. 🍻
@@evonpaige8873 Good morning Evon ! I can’t sit here and post about having two revolvers with out confession that I bought two.22s a Heritage Rough Rider and a Ruger Wrangler because at one time I was getting down to about 1500 rounds of 22 so I thought having a couple single action pistols would slow my son and I down a bit. What we learned was that they are a hoot to shoot and in the last two months I have purchased over 4500 rounds of.22 . Yesterday when I first got your question about a revolver I was looking at a couple 357s and even if I bought one I cannot find ammunition enough to warrant buying one I’m one of those guys who believes in having a 1000 or more rounds in any calibers I own but one day I will have a 44 or 357 . As for you I’m happy as hell that you got a Taurus I am getting ready to drive to the range to take my 10 year old son I hope that you enjoy your new pistol
@@robertharing7031 yeah, now that you mention it, absolutely, Palmetto State Armory sales a ton of them. 4500 .22, in this climate; well damn!! Your connect must be the "Boss of all Bosses"! I have to wait until the gun show to even dream of seeing .22 ammo and at Bend over and grab your ankles prices. But in my case w/ .357 I reload and have dies for the caliber, and can cast flat nose as well, so any real cost would be new Brass, and a box of unattain-ium/ 1000ct. Magnum Primers. Thnx 4 the quick reply, You are part of the reason why the firearm community is awesome. 🍻
First, excellent video Sam. I love the testing of hot full house rounds. You did a great job putting this together. You got to love Buffalo Bore and Underwood ammo, great companies were you still can find full house rounds loaded to old school spec. I’m a little more partial to Buffalo Bore of the two, as they list certain firearms that each load was tested with and from my experience it’s always exact or real close, You know what your getting when you purchase Buffalo Bore, there quality control and consistency is also as good as it gets.
You do a great job trying to make ammo test fair. The tip of bullet length to muzzle end may be the same between the two, but the revolver is dealing with cylinder gap, which is a real thing that has been tested to loose some pressure and velocity because of it, so running revolvers with the same length barrel as a auto loader in my opinion is still fair, but I still appreciate your effort.
I have watched Paul Harrel test at least 5 or so different brands of 10mm ammunition and most of them are not much more impressive than .40 S&W. I think only one or so got to around 550lbs of energy and that was the defensive ammo he tested. Now I understand that is watered down factory ammo, and the same could be said for .357 factory offerings, but I feel the .357 and 10mm when both loaded to max potential are very similar in power and energy. You did a great job highlighting that.
I believe Buffalo Bore has one or two other offerings in .357 magnum that is even more powerful than the one you tested (at least energy wise).
Thank you. I have done a lot of research into cylinder gap, and while it's all varying based on gap size and ammo choices, basically 5% is the average potential lost. So instead of 1,000 FPS you get 950 FPS, instead of 1,500 you might get 1,400. But sometimes you get basically none like with low end solid copper rounds as they are longer, burn more of the powder quicker if it's a low end round with a low charge of fast powder etc.
Agreed with your last sentence, well the whole comment really. While learning reloading and working up a 180gr lead 357 load I bought a box of BB 180gr bear crushers. Big mistake! Oh there was nothing wrong with the ammo, but 20 of them finished off my German single action army clone. Good news is a few over sized Colt parts fit to it tightened the old iron right up. I retired it to wimpy loads only from now on. Pops gave me his mod 28 duty gun so I'm golden now.
T Hutch you may want to check out Ballistics101.com- gives a good reference to 10mm and what’s watered down and what’s full 10mm power from manufacturers.
Sectional density! Finally! I always consider sectional density before bullet weight when comparing different calibers.
Different calibers with different bullet weights seem to me to preform pretty much the same on big game if the sectional density & MV are close to the same with sectional density being the more important of the two.
You have every video possible😂 Everytime I need info on round comparisons, you already have 2-3 videos on it. Thank you!
I forgot that the first Glock I ever shot was a 10 mm I immediately went out and bought a Glock 21 because back in the early 90s a 45 was a good carry gun for me I used to have a shoulder holster and with 3 -13 round mags I thought I was the shit
Why I Carry An FNX 45 Tactical
I conceal carry an FNX 45 Tactical with Trigicon RMR every day without ANY problems. It's for a variety of reasons.
1) I have arthritis, and a "full size" gun is easy for me to hold and shoot.
2) It's built from the ground up to be fully ambidextrous, and with arthritis you never know when you'll have to use your off hand (and, Yes... I train with my off hand about as much as I do with my dominant hand).
3) It was already milled for an an RMR... Something I had thought was a "nice overpriced gadget" that I'd never buy... Until I learned it solved the problem of aging eyes and bifocals
4) It carries a 15 round magazine! Yep... That's 15+1 of 45 ACP!
5) It comes with a 5.3" threaded barrel, so putting a suppressor on it is easy. I will be getting one for really ONE primary reason. I don't want to damage my hearing, if I have to use the weapon if someone breaks into my apartment.
I searched "forever" for a 9 mm that would provide ALL these features, without ANY success. Changing a gun to add these features after purchase, even IF POSSIBLE, would cost more than I paid for the 45 Tactical to begin with.
Also have the Rock Island Armory Pro Match Ultra 10mm with a 6-inch barrel and a double stack 16 round magazine I
The Last Straw Now that’s what I call PACKING. Damn!!!!!
I have the G21 and G40, sometimes I put the G40 barrel and mag in the G21 frame and have a G20 with a 6 inch barrel:)
Well done. You ate the center out of the bulls eye!
Thank you. I have done this probably 7 or 8 times with this very S&W 686. I can't seem to do it with any other gun I own.
Impressive results , both calibers are good enough for almost every thing
I have 4 10MMs and I just got a 357 mag . Nothing beats the beauty of a revolver in stainless steel
These are seriously the best loads for each caliber in my opinion for raw performance. Sam I truly believe you have a setup of testing that is better than any ballistic gel made to date period. The jugs act as tendons or ligaments would in a body, so in my experience gel test are not as telling as your tests are! Excellent job and very well done brother, Thank you! God bless! 👍👍🙏🇺🇸
Thanks, I never thought of the jugs like that but maybe. Or maybe some clear ballistics gel with fiber board in a few inches or something might be good.
@@GunSam 👍👍🙏🇺🇸🎯
@@GunSam No test is able to approximate what rounds do in the body. That's why lower caliber pistol loads do so much damage to the body. Ask any trauma surgeon and they will tell you horror stories about even the lowly 380.
Thanks for putting both Data Boxes on the screen at once. Much easier for us to compare loads.
I say it all the time on cartridge comparison videos... I don't want a "fair" test. If I'm watching a drag race between a Corvette and a Civic I don't want them to pull four spark plugs out of the Vette to make it "fair". I want to see each cartridge pushed to its limit so I know which offers what I'm looking for.
I agree for the most part. I remember growing up in the 1980's in elementary school and even then you would always hear the boys with the whole ".45 is the best", then ".357 Magnum is better", so naturally when doing tests like .357 Mag VS .45 ACP I like to shoot a hyper velocity 125 gr .357 Mag VS a 230 gr .45 ACP as these are their best foot forward. Did they ever compare in ballistics? No, but were they the top talked about for a long time? Yes, and do they both have loads in the mid 90 percentile of "stopping power charts"- yes, so being their are "comparable" mentally and practically, it's fun to compare them but using what is the opposite ballistically 230 gr VS 125. Now with 10mm, well the two are definitely different and almost as far apart as lets say ".357 Mag vs .45 ACP", however with all of these ballistic experts out there saying that 10mm is always more powerful than .357 mag and "just as good as .44 mag", I felt like doing this video for fun, neither of these are typical I know, but fun nonetheless.
@@GunSam yeah, I've seen people say 10mm is the same as 44. Hah! Now 460 Rowland is a different story....
Great video. Happy Birthday to Gaston Glock who turns 91. His Glock decimated the bologna and scared the jug out of the jug or not. Well done Sam!
Thanks.
@@GunSam you're welcome
Have you ever read the book about him it was to say the least interesting
@@robertharing7031 the book made me feel a little dirty for owning one.
Clint Cannon I kinda agree with ya in a weird way. Those people led quite the lifestyle
Very nice comparison, I'm am a 10mm fan , I've had both but the 10 with 16 rounds is hard to beat. I've taken 37 hogs up to 210 lbs out to 62 yards never shot one twice also have taken 31 whitetail deer out to about 60 yards and had the same results DRT. Keep up the good work my friend.
What's your 10mm platform and barrel length of choice?
I have the Glock 20SF, I have a 6 in ported barrel I use for hunting.
@@G20cman1 Ah okay, makes sense.
Sam, as a .38/.357 revolver advocate- your channel is like a goldmine of fun stuff for me to watch.
I appreciate semi’s, but man… it’s revolver for me every day of the week!
Your videos got me to explore some underwood hard cast to carry with me as my kids and I hike and camp out here in the high desert of Arizona. Mountain lions are everywhere out here and with that hot hardcast I feel a bit better prepared.
Thanks man
Glad to see something doing this test, that understands sectional density. So many of the .357 vs 10mm are completely useless, because of this. Bullet weight doesn't matter, sectional density is what matters
Nice comparison. 10mm has become really popular with the folks in Alaska.
Here's all I got to say about what I want when a bear charges me: ua-cam.com/video/cVW8MpaAwK0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NRANationalFirearmsMuseum
Very nice comparison test of these 2 cartridges. Thanks for taking the time to produce this video.
Got them both........revolver all day!!
In a real life and death situation both these calibers are the most reliable, manageable recoil and immense energy. Great review
You can have the Glock. I'll take the .357magnum revolver any day of the week!
I will take both glock 20sf and ruger gp100 4” inch barrel now I can sleep at night 👍🛌😁
I’ve owned a 610 since 1995 ish. Lighter bullets are not bad recoiling unlike my 357’s.
I'm still in the starting phase of knowing 10mm ballistics lol. Most of what I have for calibers I have a Rolodex in my head of information. 10mm I still have to look up!
Great video. I have both the Glock 20 in 10mm and a ruger GP100 357 mag with a 6" barrel. The Glock might have the edge because it is a little easier to carry with higher capacity and as your video shows almost identical ballistics. Revolvers are great to own and shoot as well. It seems you have to wear glasses to protect yourself from flying bologna than you do from the firearms.
Thanks. Actually I do have one handgun, my S&W 342 PD in .38 Special, and more than once for whatever reason hot particles have embedded in my face right below my glasses, and this is just from shooting paper.
Those are my two dream handguns man. I turned 21 a few days ago and i was choosing between those two for my first handgun. due to cost, I went with the Glock 20. Will definitely be picking up the Gp100 once I get back from college to my summer job.
Bad ass. This man gives gun owners a good name.
Accuracy is key to well placed shots that must count. You definitely have those groups down to a size that many can’t shoot with a scoped rifle.
Excellent Test!!!!
Both guns got a fair & even comparison & they are virtually the same gun with minimal differences if you consider a 347 8 round revolver. So my question now is why is a 10mm being marketed as a “bear gun” (grizzly/brown bear)& the 357 is not. Considering Hard Cast bullets/Extreme Penetrators, you have the same gun???? Granted, I’d prefer a 44 Magnum Revolver or a 30-30 Winchester which much more powerful than a 44 Magnum Revolver, but the 30-30 is also not considered a “bear gun” while the 44 Revolver is.... But that’s another show. Excellent test, well done.
Thanks. I think the 10mm is becoming more popular as a bear gun based 90% on capacity. For this reason the normal argument is for 10mm in a pistol rather than .44 Mag in a revolver. Now in terms of .44 Mag VS .357 Mag, what makes the .44 better is more power and larger and heavier bullets. Round per round 10mm is sort of in the middle, it has power more like a hot .357 but bullet weights more like .44, and that extra weight aids in better momentum and penetration through thick things. However, a hot 180 gr .357 would do similarly well. So again, it's mostly a capacity thing, and 10mm just happens to have just enough ability to work against a bear better than most other readily available semi auto cartridges.
This is actually a pretty good video. If someone needed a sidearm in the woods, the 10 and .357 are the reasonable choices...and that particular ammo would be at the top of the list. Good work.
...and that’s some serious velocity out of those short barrels.
Thanks. And next up......44 mag!
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ well c’mon wit da .44mag!
Own both and won't part ways with either. These two calibers really fit a nice gap between heavy self defense and woods carry.
Both were very impressive!
Man! You said you were going to get the heavy stuff with 10 vs 357 and you weren't kidding! Those are two very impressive rounds. I believe your theory of sectional density is dead on and I kinda wish others looked at it this way. I have thought this for a while but haven't put together any good testing lately. Because the sectional density AND the foot pounds are both very close I think it makes these two rounds perfect to compare. I don't have a specific need for these weight rounds right now, but I love the test for the great comparison, and I love featuring the heavy hitting rounds! Same companies with heavier bullets next? I can only hope! Good job Sir, good job!
Also if that jam keeps happening you might consider moving down to a 20 pound spring. My g20 still works fine with the 20, and occasionally I run a mag or two of 40sw fmj's through it and it has been perfect with them too.
@@plasticglock Thanks. I will probably test some hard cast 180 vs 220 gr ammo at some point, but more of a dangerous game type of thing. I sort of want to get some sort of leather and put it in from of two bologna packs and then a two by four. I don't know how well this represents a huge animal like a brown bear, but I feel like if anything the test medium will be overkill. I swapped the 17 lb factory spring for the 22 lb NDZ, but on really low end ammo I also got one jam with the 22 lb spring. So I don't know what to think. I tested the 200 gr Gold Dot ammo with the 22 lb'r and had no jams, I also tested the Winchester Defender 180 gr which was hot with the 17 lbs spring, no jams but it felt like the stock spring didn't absorb anything, I could feel the slide snapping back. The spring is new for the 22 lb so I will just keep using it, maybe it will loosen up.
@@GunSam it might. i just dug mine out of the safe. They are flat wire by IMSI, and I have their captured guide rod too. The 22 is still in the bag. I just haven't had enough time to try and compare them. Popped in the 20 and it's still there. It did smooth out the recoil. It's not less, imo. It's just a smoother impulse. I never added Loctite to the screw/bolt either but it's still in there. I carry it in the field multiple times a week. And when things go bump in the night, it comes with me to the fight.
@@GunSam I have their Stainless rods in all my Glocks , I kept stock weight ( don't remember what that is ) . I heard from some Trusted gun guys ( don't remember > like Wilson ) RE: spring weight / recoil / Full power ammo . They said you can shoot a 45 ACP 1911 with ZERO spring & that the job of the spring is to RETURN the slide home . That a heavy spring / heavy slide gives the shooter >> The FEELING
@@GunSam I did a quick look at that topic .. too much to list here . Bottom line , you need to test to find what works . I trust Glock to do that work for me .. I don't know . I agree with this pro shooter >> ua-cam.com/video/eoqIlWsMhMk/v-deo.html
Thank you for providing a professional target support system. What an improvement over most test videos where everything including the tables many use for supporting targets falls down. Also, comparing the different calibers using their sectional densities is a great idea. I would like to see how using the same type of 150-grain bullet in .357 compares with the other two results. Thank you for a very good video.
My Taurus 605 wheel gun is a great carry gun. Loaded with .357 magnum hollow points, it can't be beat.
Agreed!!!!👍👍👍
That was a nice comparison, thanks for doing this. I think for a more equal ballistic base, it would be great to compare 10mm vs 41 Magnum with the same hot rounds you are selecting. Good job!
Thank you. While .41 mag would be cool, getting into something new I'm going with .44 mag as there's a lot more ammo to test, makes a $1,000 purchase more justified with all the .44 special and 44 mag ammo out there.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Yes, I understand. 44 Magnum it’s considerably more powerful than 357 Mag, 10 mm and a bit more than 41 Magnum. I suggested 41 Magnum thinking for a more equal ballistic comparison in semiautomatic vs revolver loads in the 10mm base. Anyway, it’s gonna be fun to watch your 44 Magnum videos. Stay safe!
I have both and the 41 is much more Powerful
Recently got a 10mm so I'm cruising the older vids. Normally I prefer penetration over expansion, but jaysus! that UW load was insane. Moving that fast it should be a pretty flat shooter too. Hard to imagine what it would do to a human attacker; probably cause some consternation at the hospital.
I was thinking about buying a new 10 mm this week. Now I think I'll just stick to my .357's. Guess I no longer see an upside to owning one now. I've always carried a revolver and see no reason to change now.
What about the senario where there are 3 armed home invaders/robber that dont run. Or when you drive down that particular road and a couple guys are dumping a body in the ditch and decide to chase you and pit you off the road. Sure maybe 2 speed loaders on the belt but most gunfights seen on the ASP channel are beyond 6 shots.
Awesome video, thanks! Now I know that if I'm ever attacked by a pound of baloney or a water jug I won't have anything to worry about.
Great video, both are nice shooters. I would like to have seen normal weights for these calibers though, 180 for 10mm and 158 for the 357. This is were the 10mm has an advantage, IMO, up close, bigger and heavier bullets. I like the 10mm underwood 200 gn XTP @1250 FPS.
Thanks for enduring the drenching in the name of science!!! Great comparison
Not to mention getting attacked by angry bologna!
EXCELLENT VIDEO , they're all immensely informative and just awesomely entertaining Your ammo testing methods are brilliant and "Real World" . My personal favorite caliber is .357mag. , and this evaluation reinforces my belief that this ol' round is still going strong ! Thank you so much for providing us , the Viewers , with such valuable information . Incidentally , I own a Glock 41 which the magazine drops out with just about every shot . I believe it's an inherent Factory Defect with these guns . I plan on sending mine straight back to Glock . At any rate , THANKS , AGAIN !!!
Thank you! Thanks for taking into consideration sectional density. Other 10mm vs .357 mag vids use 180 in 10 and 357! I’m shaking my head during the whole vid. Not going to work their way. Great vid keep ‘em coming.
Thanks. Yeah 180 gr in .357 Mag is like 147 gr in 9mm, or anything where the case capacity is lowered enough to significantly lower it's power.
Great rounds to test. Super good results on both. I have carried 357 mag in 90s. I liked 140 & 158. But this type of velocity & energy is excellent for personal protection. The 10 is also excellent for PP, HD & maybe edc. I did carry my woods gun a G29 as an edc a bit when I first got it. Carried Double Tap 165gr. Gold Dot. But good folk discouraged it for fear of legal problems if it had to be used in a self defense situation. Thanks Sam.
Thanks for watching. Maybe the Hydrashok would have made a good G29 load. It's a .40 in a 10 case lol
Impressive test, l use Buffalo Bore 158 grain swchp in my 38 special. Excellent self defense round. Your correct, Buffalo Bore is excellent ammo. I'll stick with 357, 10mm would require another gun purchase, and ammo. I enjoy your channel, finally subbed! Shoot straight, and keep the faith!
Thank you. For me going 10mm was easy as I had a .45 already, so the conversion was less than $200
Great review 👏 thank you. I understand what your reasoning behind sectional density is but you still should have gotten a 158 grain 357 BB to compare also. There is a video on you tube and the man is shooting 3 different Buffalo Bore loads 125 Gr, 158gr, & 180gr 357 mag. And very clearly to see 👀 the 158 grain hits the steel substantially harder than the 125 grain. In your test here the 10MM is the clear winner but compared with a 158 grain 357mag the outcome is going to be closer to equal with no clear 🏆 winner. In fact the 357 may appear just ever so slightly more powerful. In my mind the ultimate test would be the Underwood 10mm 200 gr hard cast againt the Buffalo Bore 357 mag 180gr hard cast heavy. They are both very powerful loads.
Seems like you are well served by either. I had wondered which was more devastating, now I know. Thanks for a great demonstration!
I was able to shoot a.357 magnum with a barrel 8 3/8” long, using Buffalo Bore 180 gr hunting rounds. What can I say? YAHOO! That’s what I can say! I’d have no problems at all with hunting white tail deer within bow hunting distances. It’s got some drop but adjustable sights can compensate. Practice is a good idea. But yeah! Buffalo Bore knows their business!
Why within bow range? That’s like 30 yards.😂
barnacle pete y’all must be using weak bows! I wouldn’t try killing a deer with it beyond about 50 yards. Not because it’s not deadly beyond that but because of ethical concerns.
How many fps you getting outta that? Gotta be near 2k?
First time watching this gent. Not caliber biased. Informative. Good production. I've subscribed and look forward to future submissions from other tests.
Thank you. But some say I have a bias for .38 Special lol.
great video. im a revolver guy too, but was thoroughly impressed by the underwood performance. but i think for handloading the advantage might go to the 357. chuke swears the 10 takes down browns just fine, and the 357 has long proven itself there too (in heavier loads). so looks like its a preference thing between auto and revolver
Thanks. I been thinking about how to approach a bear testing video. Been debating lots of bologna and a 2x4.
@@GunSam
i hear that grade 5 porcelain tiles are a decent substitute for bone (or as close as you can get). but im guessing just a little more expensive
Either one of them will kill you
my man is extremely tight with those grouping on that 686... damn that's a good revolver
I was surprised at the lower than anticipated recoil of the 10 mm rounds.
Might be my recoil spring, went from 17 lb stock to 22 lb. Often times the recoil energy of handguns is 5-10 ft lbs, so I could see how just 5 ft lbs might absorb some of that.
Sam you’re an absolute surgeon with that Smith revolver! The only way you could get more bologna splatter would be strapping a hand grenade (literally) to the bologna pack!! Haha! Makes me giggle like an idiot every time I see the bologna go flying everywhere. Another great video Sam.
Some days the accuracy or lack of is on me, and some days the ammo is either not great, or really good. So what we see here is really good ammo while i'm having a good day, fun to see.
It's quite nice when a revolver is matched with the right ammo.
I've done a lot of reloading with hot .357 loads. It's one of my favorite calibers for whitetail deer hunting. I use an old Contender with a compensated ten inch barrel. You can achieve really impressive results with hot .357 loads on game. But, those loads stay on a whole other shelf than the ones I put in my model 60 Smith.
On those very rare occasions when I can shoot a group like the one you shot with the .357, I bring that target home and post it on the wall. Good job!
Yes sir that's good stuff right there. I do both calibers and really appreciate 357 getting a fair test. But 10mm is my new bear defense load because of capacity. I load 180gr lead bear crushers for both, and I also think my Glock has milder recoil than my 357 revolvers. Not sure if it's the semi auto action or the different powders or a little of both.
I’m wondering if the recoil of the semi auto doesn’t eat some of that recoil where as the revolver obviously doesn’t have that.
@@brianb900 That's what I think, but it could be the powder to. I use Power Pistol for 10mm and had been using IMR4227 for revolvers. I recently started loading H110 in that 180 gr 357 and a 300gr 44 mag. H110 is supposed to achieve higher velocities than 4227. It's early but I swear my 44 mag primers look better, and maybe the recoil feels less snappy. And H110 357 loads also shows better primers in a rifle. There are 30 rounds of 44 mag 300 gr coated bullets in there waiting to be tested in 2 guns. I'll know more after I shoot them. Powders are making a difference to the primers for sure, but the recoil is subjective. I'd have to do both powders at the same time to really tell.
I have a 10mm in a 1911 platform and a couple 357 revolvers.
With normal factory loadings, 158 gr - 1700 fps - 357 and 180 gr - 1200 fps - 10mm, I get more energy from the 10mm. I attribute this to the cylinder gap of the revolvers.
In my experience with factory loads, the 10mm has slightly more power. But the 2 cartridges are very similar.
They are both excellent cartridges for time spwnt in the woods or mountains.
Many folks in Alaska are using the 10mm for nbear defense now. They use heavy for caliber hard cast bullets for maximum penetration. However, there is much debate on whether the 10mm is adequate for brown bear protection. I find very few carrying a 357.
Very nice. Definitely 2 good loads to keep in mind. BB has always seemed like a great company. Looks like Underwood is coming along too. I de-intensify a few of the bad things i have said about them. Lol. Don't own a 10mm yet, but it is on the list. Especially if i move to Alaska in the future, which is becoming more likely.
After seeing this, I must search your channel for the test on 357Sig!
I have not tested any .357 Sig yet.
9x19 Underwood 124g bonded jhp VS 357Sig Underwood 125g bonded jhp would be very interesting to me at least! I either carry a G32 or P365...just my personally curiosity. LOL. Great channel! Enjoying watching and trying to get current. Thank you!
Love your videos but personally I have no need or can find the use for a 10mm. I love the 357 but only shoot it out of a full size heavy revolver. In my snub nose I shoot 38+p.
Thank you. I would agree too. Sort of a niche market for big game protection as the heavy hard cast bullets to well, but regular old hollow points are just sill for any practical purpose.
@@GunSam yeah I could see the use if I lived in brown bear territory.
Damn! The 10mm achieves these velocities with heavier bullets, big up to it. I own .357 with 6" barrel and it is always best in buffalo bore ammo, but overall both calibers are pretty equal in almost all aspects. You will not go wrong with either, I think I must now also get Glock in 10mm, it seems to have a slight edge on pentration. Grt video.
Glock didn’t feed = revolver wins
A Revolver is the pocket Version Gatling .
That's why I prefer my .357 magnum revolver over my semi-auto pistol.
@@geronimo67 didnt had the Luck for a wheel Rifle so i chose a Mares Leg 🤠
That's a conversion. My Glock mod 20 and mod 40 shoot anything. I have never had a jam or misfeed in over 1000 rounds through each. You can't go by his conversion, they suck.
Absolutely!
DAMN!!!! there is NO looser in this test ---- they both WIN 🥇🏆
Notice the jam on the glock? Not on the smith, im a firm believer in wheel guns for self defense.
Limp wrist shooting
they can all jam.
have a plan for when you get a " click" instead of " bang"
Ok boomer....Glocks pretty much always go bang every time.
Glock is a great platform and very dependable, although I'm not a fan of Glocks themselves I do have several plastic wonder guns. They all have the same drawback, and that is the ammo. If the round doesn't go boom the gun don't cycle. The only way for sure to know if round works is to shoot it and then it's useless. Then you have rereack the action and try again. On a revolver of the ammo fails, simply pull the trigger again. Again, I'm a firm believer in revolvers. Old technology isn't relagated to no good because something else replaces it. Look at knives, Does a ceramic blade mean a good carbon steel blade is less effective than it ever was? I carry several revolvers and a couple of blades every day and have so for over 30 years. I won't change now.
Lol get in a gun fight, I bet you change your mind if you survive
Imagine that .357 magnum load in a lever riffle ?
You gained a sub when you mentioned the sectional density. No one does that. Thank you
For bear and wild boar, I feel more comfortable with six .357 in a revolver vs. sixteen 10mm in a pistol.
Here's all I got to say about what I want when a bear charges me: ua-cam.com/video/cVW8MpaAwK0/v-deo.html&ab_channel=NRANationalFirearmsMuseum
Lmao good luck with that.
They do the same amount of damage. Also don’t try the revolvers don’t jam nonsense. I had it happen twice on me.
Probably the best test I've seen yet.
Great job.
Thanks again!
Now we need a 10mm Revolver : )
There are 9mm revolvers, think its Ruger that makes one.
I think they make 3- the GP 100 Match Champion, the Redhawk, and the Super Redhawk. Way back when, they made a convertible Blackhawk with cylinders in 38-40 and 10mm. S&W is making the 610 again also.
Here is a couple of 10mm revolvers from S&W. www.smith-wesson.com/revolvers
Once I get into near $1,000 revolvers, I would much rather get a .44 Mag, as if the capacity is lower you might as well have more power per round. Plus I got about 1,000 .44 Mag brass I saved 7 years ago when I used to have a .44 Mag, and i'm a good hand loader.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ would you say the .44 has more power than 10mm and .357?
Have you done a video on the .44?
It’s an amazing caliber, but I don’t have much experience with it.
@@kg6itc Yes & Yes !
Great video, love the comparison. I have a GP100 in 10mm, that would be an interesting comparison to 357 mag revolver since B/C gap is also something that plays into affect. I prefer revolvers because I've been reloading for close to 30 years, nothing like being able to just dump your brass in your shooting bag. Your comparison are completely logical since both calibers are represented in their most common form of handgun, but If you ever get your hands on a 10mm in a revolver, or a 357 mag in an auto, I'd love to see the ballistics again with the same ammo. I have a feeling the 357 might edge out the 10mm due to the B/C gap energy loss, but then you also have the slide recoil energy loss as well? Either way, you did an excellent job, and this is by far the best and most informative 357/10mm comparison I've ever seen. Good job!
I use to have a glock 20 gen 3 with a 6" Kkm barrel & a 22lbs wolf spring but the biggest problem is that with hot rounds it would always jam so I moved on to the 357's I feel like revolvers handle the power better.
Yeah I got the NDZ 22 lb. I have noticed that also with low end ammo it will jam up, so probably middle of the road ammo is best.
Hmm... ~30% added recoil spring weight. I be curious to compare reliability and shootability with the stock VS the heavier aftermarket springs.
@@kylefarris4686 When you go too far from design specs don't be surprised when things go wrong .
@@danoneill2846 My smith told me to only replace the spring when the ammo manufacturer suggests to.
@@mitchellnelms7572 Yep , some are OK but you need to test a lot B 4 you trust it . I had a RUGER Redhawk a guy put a wolf spring kit in ( lighter ) about 1 shot in 50 would not fire , I traded it to a friend that still has it ( many years ) , I would not give it to him before I got a new spring set from Ruger to install . Redhawks , are great but don't have the BEST stock trigger pull , it was OK , but it must fire 100% !!!!!!! I asked him years ago if he wanted to trade back .. he said NO! 5.5" 44 is a great size , very user friendly .
I'm impressed with your test medium and attention to detail. I'm a big fan of 10mm. Whether out of my 5" 1911 or 16" carbine, performance is outstanding.
I agree completely. My 10mm 1911 and 10mm carbine are my favorite guns to take out and shoot.
I live in Alaska, have picked 10 mm out of bear skin and fat. Never penetrating vital organs. 44 mag minimum!!! At least for brown bear/ Grizzlies
Best comparison on UA-cam right there! These two are one shot stopper combos. The way these two calibers were designed to be loaded.
I'd take my 4in S&W 66 hunting.
WOW!!! Super impressive shooting!!! Especially shooting the .357magnum double action!!!!
Once again, great testing of two individual calibers with similar strengths !! They were relatively close results, either would work for a back country backup pistol in the lower 48 of the USA ... for any predator ... except grizzlies. Thanks for another good vid
I own both. The revolvers are nice because you don't have to chase brass. The Glock 20 I own has never had a missed or misfire. Absolute reliability.