VERY IMPORTANT, read this before you watch! I get the "limp wrist" comment nearly daily in one video or another with this pistol, but from people who haven't a clue what they are talking about, so I urge you not to jump to conclusions. Most of the issue with malfunctions is the feed ramp, the Lone Wolf AlphaWolf CONVERSION barrel I use has a very thin feed ramp, not wide and loose chamber like a stock Glock feed ramp/chamber. Also, in this video I was not using a 10mm extractor in the conversion, so that didn't help. If you still do not believe me, I did a study of all of the hollow point ammo tests I did with this Glock 41 pistol in both the stock and the conversion setup. Why this is important is because I tested SEVERAL .45 ACP+P rounds that were well over the typical energy level of 10mm, as well as at or above typical 10mm bullet weight, and I never once had a jam in those rounds. Here is the study of just the Glock 41 portion: Glock 41 (.45 ACP) Shots Fired: 93 Malfunctions: 1 Malfunction Rate: 1.1% Glock 41 (10mm Conversion) Shots Fired: 102 Malfunctions: 23 Malfunction Rate: 22.5%
I want to make mention of something here because I really don't want 200 of the same comment. I test ammunition and I am not a "gun channel" per se, so the fact that my Glock pistol jams a lot should not be taken with too much consideration. My Glock 41 .45 ACP has a conversion 10mm barrel/22 lb recoil spring and stock extractor, so it's not setup to run smoothly, but this is something most people understand when it comes to conversions. The supported chamber alone VS a stock barrel can also cause issues. So please, pay attention to the ammunition performance once it leaves the muzzle and don't tell me my Glock sucks, again and again, and again! Thank you.
Maybe the feed ramp on the barrel conversion barrel may need to be deburred, and polished out some may help feeding issues. I know has on some my conversion barrels as they are made like Glock perfection finish, but close enough.
Thanks so much for this video. For people in California, with lots of ammo restrictions already, well 10mm is one of the few rounds I could find last week in my local gun store. This video will definitely help people out here and I agree that the Federal 10mm would be great in a Glock 29. It does not have to be a screaming round to get the job done, and that's the beauty of a 10mm. From mild to wild in the same cartridge and gun. Thanks again, you've definitely helped me out here.
The 357 HS has always been a good round, but it is intended for hunting more so than self defense. The 10mm HS did quite well at modest velocity with less recoil than normal 10mm. That certainly has application. Better SD than a 185 gr 45 ACP, and just slightly faster. Win- win.
With a lot of rounds the flexibility is low so they become bracketed in a category of what they are good for ie 9mm/.45 acp/.38 Special good defensive rounds. With .357 Mag and 10mm they can be great for that, but they have to be tested to be sure they are not too hot. A great example might be Hornady Critical Duty in .357 Mag, gives about an even 500 ft lbs energy in a 4" barrel and recoils about the same as a 9mm in a G19, so great defensive round. On the flip side, this Hydrashok in a 2" snub is also close to 500 ft lbs with a heavier bullet, a real wrist snapper and not good in that setup.
It never really matters to me what gun it is. I look at it as a test of a caliber with a certain load and bullet and how it performs out of different barrel lengths . Thanks for your excellent test.
Love your work, Sam...I'm a .357 guy, raised on S&W Model 19's, 4 inch barrel. I now have a Taurus 608, 5 rd, .357 snubnose and a Taurus 66, 7 rd, 4 inch barrel .357. For my EDC I carry a G23 with a LoneWolf .357Sig barrel in it. I use Cor-Bon 125gr in the EDC and man do they perform in an outstanding manner. Good work, Sam. Thanks!
Thanks. I been interested in a .40 with a .357 Sig barrel or the opposite for some time as I could get a lot of testing with little spent. Might have to try it.
Thanks for this great vid. I just (Sept) purchased a 686 (3") and was searching around for components. Here in Cali, you just about can't find anything. I bought some Hydra Shocks from Federal and was casting about looking for performance info trying to figger out how fast I'd have to run 'em and found this vid. BTW I was also inspired by your coverage of the 327 Fed but those are like unobtaium right now. Sooooooo........bought a Taurus 856 and the Smith.
Well put together video. I would love to see the difference in performance between multiple calibers using each calibers' most powerful load. Comparing similar loads between calibers is interesting but if they are intentionally designed similarly then they almost always perform similarly. That's why we have different calibers, different performance.
Sam,just letting you know that Federal under loads their 10mm bullets. Paul Harrell did a video about it. You should be getting way more velocity out of that 180 grain 10mm. They charge you 10mm prices for .40 S&W performance
@@ratagris21 nothing wrong with .40S&W but if your gonna buy a 10mm pistol the Ammo should be loaded to real 10mm specs like Underwood,double tap or Buffalo Bore.
That is why about 19 years ago I bought a 40cal the price of 10mm was way high compared to the 40 s&w with not much more preference! 40 is not dead... ...but ammunition has improved over the years. Would love to have a 10mm Glock🔫😁
Funny that the revolvers never jam!! Doesn't matter how powerful your pistol is if it jams on your third shot. Can't say wait bear I gotta clear this jam!! Watch this channel a lot and this happens regularly with the semi-automatic pistols. Makes powerful revolvers look pretty attractive for self defense!!!
I really do not get many malfunctions on my channel, yet I get comments all the time how they happen a lot. They really don't. I think it's some psychological effect where they saw a few malfunctions with a couple firearms then think they see them a lot. I will go like 20 videos with full boxes of JHP ammo with no malfunctions, then I get one and I start getting comments about how I get malfunctions in "every video".
@@GunSam It sucks that it's so difficult to find full power ammo anymore. Double tap, Buffalo Bore, and Underwood are good but so much of the mass produced stuff is benign. Although the Remington green and white box is pretty decent stuff.
Great video Sam. Both viable rounds for any type of use. I usually put a heavier spring usually +2 lbs to avoid feeding reliability concerns. Works great on pistols and AK variant rifles as well as felt recoil.
I am in the market for a 10mm or .357 range toy/woods gun. I really appreciate these videos, even though the more I consider these calibers, the less easy it becomes to choose😂
I know something that may help your Glock conversion to work better. I just bought a 1911 10mm (technically put on layaway). I looked a video, where a guy reviewed his 10mm Kimber 1911, and he had a bad time with it, so he replaced the stock 18 pound spring to a higher strength (22-24). Although this helped quite a bit, he still had issues, so he also replaced his stock magazine with a Wilson Combat magazine. Apparently, those two things increased the performance of his weapon considerably. I've also heard the shape of the cartridge will cause issues. A rounder bullet apparently feeds more reliably, especially in weapons still not broken in. Hope this helps.
It would be nice to see a 357 vs 41 vs 44 magnums with same barrel size and standard bullet weights for each caliber! Thanks! I like these testing videos 👍
I'm a little weary of that 10mm just from an expansion point as it still had a lot of the cavity left meaning out of a shorter barre "your is rather long" it may be just barely expanding at all.
I have the Magnum load in my Ruger GP 100. It shoots so soft that I can put all the rounds on the head from 25 feet at the range, which means only one shot per thug when they try to invade me. Incredible that grown men in the FBI can not handle the 10mm with them soft shooting loads. Always love to see the blasted baloney package. Keep up the good work.
The Federal Hydra Shok 10mm is loaded to .40 S&W like many other mainstream ammunition companies. The new 200 grain 10mm Speer Gold Dot is loaded a bit warmer. A better option for self defense or medium size game. The best advice is keep the Glock stock. The Winchester Silvertip is a very good self defense round. The Norma 170 JHP was the original load and is devastating. The original 10mm brought 41. Magnum performance. You need Underwood or Buffalo Boar for real 10mm performance.
Good review 👍 But I believe a full power 10mm should be at the 41 magnum level, it should be noticeably more powerful than the 357mag. Don't understand why Federal loads a full power 357mag but not the 10mm unless they are afraid of the loose chamber of the 10mm causing problems. I believe the 10mm ammo I would buy are Buffalo Bore, Underwood, or lastly Double Tap. Whats the point of a 10mm if you're gonna shoot anemic ammo. But I couldn't hit
@David Somerset not sure how you are comparing those rounds but as far as cartridge capability goes 10mm is at the bottom by quite a ways. if you cherry pick commercial loads or personal preference you can get whatever result you want. but if you load your own there is a very clear gap between the 10 and the 357, and even more between the 357 and the 41
@@Hoodyhoo2121 .. reminds me of the 9v40 debate. if you down load the 40 far enough and +p the 9 far enough then it becomes just as effective as the 40. it is not a cartridge performance discussion, but one of personal preference. which is fine, but don't call it a one caliber vs another caliber.
Found out our local PD issues the G41 and Critical Duty with zero officer discretion. Good choice in ammo but I can’t imagine the G41 is a great all around choice after shooting a G21 with my “average” sized hands. G30 was also the compact for detectives/plain clothes. The G35/22/23/27 really are the way to go nowadays for a “bigger caliber option” in my opinion.
The Critical Duty 175 grain 10mm is loaded closely to the Federal Hydra Shok. The G41 has a slimmer grip compared to the Gen 2 and Gen 3 grip which was very difficult for smaller hands to operate.
The way I look at it, Federal hydra-shock is of course a soft loaded self defense round for human targets. That’s it. 10MM full power loads are generally to powerful and over penetrate for concealed carry. When it comes to concealed carry, having more than 15” of penetration is just dangerous.
Cool vid bro. I have both calibers and understand the difference, variety, and wide range of types of ammo for these two calibers. Would definitely buy the Federals for my .357.
So for the .357 guys out there, I am curious what load was Ken Hutchison carrying in his 6" bbl. Python. Okay, just realized that might have sounded dirty, but I was referring to David Soul's character in the classic TV cop show `Starsky and Hutch'. No really, I swear.
I've been looking at the Glock 10's, I do shoot the hydrashok rounds, but if I'm in contact with a Grizz, I'll take my 357 or 44 Mag! A jam is not acceptable! My Rugers have never failed.
Thanks for the comparison, Sam. I've been waiting to see a comparison between 10mm and 357 magnum. I purchased my first 357 magnum in the summer of 1965, a 6" Colt Trooper. I still have a couple of them today a snubby and a 4". Looks to me like my 357 magnum compares well with the 10mm.
As discussed the other day, I'm not a big fan of the Hornady XTP bullet except in the 10mm. How about some hand loads when you get time. 10mm 180gr against .357 158gr max loads for those guns.
@@GunSam Wasn't talking Elmer hot. How about pretty warm then? The 10mm was in the low range and the .357 was in the middle. Might be easier to do it yourself than find comparable factury loads.
Hey Sam. Would you consider the 4" 686 packable for an ongoing basis? Or would you prefer something a bit more tidy, say, a King Cobra, S&W Carry Comp, or Kimber K6S (staying with 6-chamber guns) being a bit more tolerable, in a 26-29oz unloaded weight range? Is a 4" barrel actually feasible for someone who's mostly urban and office dwelling? I prefer 3" barrels as a nice compromise adding some nice velocity above snubs, from what I see on the charts.
4" can be used but you really need to either go inside the waistband or get a high rise belt holster. 3" is lighter would carry easier but a heavy gun can be made feel lighter with the right setup. As far as frame sizes, a 5 shot J frame or 5 shot K-ish frame like an SP101 carries easier than a 6 shot larger frame.
@@GunSam Cool. Have you any experience with the "compact" 6 chamber guns like the K6S or otherwise? I think the Rhino also comes to mind, fitting 6 rounds in a pretty slim package. I'm all about durability too, but if they can achieve that with small dimensions all the better for carrying.
Looks like if you want true performance from a 10mm, without spending a fortune buying Underwood and Buffalo Bore, you need to reload. I love seeing why .357 Magnum has stood the test of time. It almost always performs very well.
@@SuperUncleRyan My issue with reloading auto cartridges is every 50 brass yields 40 found fired cases, and 40 brass yield 32 found fired cases. With revolver cartridges I have all of them still. So unless I get into something really nuts for price like .50 AE, I just don't reload a lot of auto cartridges however from time to time I reload .45 Auto.
@@GunSam give the Graco brass catchers a try. They are a bit funky, but they make one model that clamps onto the accessory rail of your Glock, and another that comes fitted to the outside of a glove for autoloaders without a rail. There is a review on UA-cam somewhere of it if you want to see it in action, though I'm sure you could rig something up on your own with a coat hanger and some netting. I have both the glove and the clamp on model, the clamp on model does make the gun a bit hinky to shoot (alters the balance) and while it does not obscure the sights you don't get the best view of the right side of the gun. I generally come home with all my brass save a very few that get launched into the shooting area of the public indoor range I shoot at. Out of fifty I might lose one or two. The glove version is less cool but there is nothing hanging off the end of your gun.
Have you ever tried a 7.62x25 mm. I have a story about one I used to own. My brother-in-law bought it off my he's a former Marine and a bit of a know-it-all he had it in a shoulder holster and violated all the safety rules 1) the holster was too big for the gun 2) I'll just combine the rest, he had a round in the chamber, hammer chocked, and the safety off The gun fell out of the holster onto the floor the round went through his ankle, across the room and out through the wall and was never found. Luckily nobody else was injured
I wonder, because of the lower velocity of the 10mm, if running it out of a shorter gun would cause expansion issues. That is so often the case in other calibers, I would guess it would be the same here. Thoughts???
i'm not 100% sure. People often quote velocity as why we see expansion, but I have always said this isn't quite true. In reality it's energy, and it's also dependent on hollow cavity size. An example would be that I get all sorts of hollow point expansion with 230 gr .45 ACP despite often getting it at numbers like 800 FPS. Take that same bullet design and put it in a 125 gr .38 Special at 800 FPS and it will not expand. The difference is that the .45 ACP has double the energy, and the larger hollow cavity helps too. Now in general, a Hydrashok bullet has a pretty hard jacket and the .45 ACP Hydrashok does not expand well even at 230 gr/900 FPS/414 ft lbs, so this would suggest that the 10mm Hydrashok would get no expansion from a short barrel, but it's not exactly velocity related to a point.
@@GunSam true, I have seen that in tests as well. .38 especially. I've got Remington golden sabre in .38 spl +p that seems to expand well from a short barrel. That's what I'm going to carry in my s&w 642. Have you ever done a test on that load?
While I love the Jug or Not... may I make a suggestion when testing 10 MM....In today's world the State of Alaska seems to have moved from the 44 mag to carrying Glock 20 in 10mm auto.. Would it be difficult to simulate the hide of a Grizzly Bear and his muscle mass and find what 10mm factory ammo works best? I guess the theory is bad shot placement and need for capacity vs the power of 6 rounds of 44 mag.
I plan something like that in about a month. I am picking up a .44 Mag revolver and plan a hard cast test with maybe extra bologna, a 2x4 and some carpet! You can figure it out lol
No. I used to see it online a couple years ago but I think it's discontinued. The main reason I never tried it is because I believe it was only in 9mm, .40 and .45 so I wasn't interested.
OMG! Dude, I appreciate these videos, truly, but you GOTTA use the 130 grain Hydra Shoks! The 158 grain loads are NOT the way to go! They do not do the .357 Magnum justice!
I don't know about that. I did test the 130 gr and the 158 gr in snubs and in that short barrel I had 452 ft lbs for the 130 gr and 494 ft lbs for the 158 gr. So going into 4" barrels the energy would be about the same.
Yeah this 10mm is a little odd for Federal, they also load their .38 Special HST oddly low, same with the low recoil Hydrashok. But most of their ammo is pretty decent and powerful, and all of it is close to rated velocity.
This is the 3rd video where the Block 10mm has been featured, and a malfunction has occurred in each. The Block fan boys are at Sam's gate with pitchforks. Let the excuses rain.
There's a lot of numbers and statistics to prove that the .357 Mag is very effective to stop a human threat, as where those statistics are not really there for the 10mm, but there are statistics on .40 S&W so i'd say both would work near as well as each other.
Call me when you test/compare a REAL 10mm against run-of-the-mill .357; not the CYA FBI-lite loadings. Try something equivalent to the original Norma (170gr/1450fps, 200gr/1200, IIRC Norma box printing)
BTW looking at your channel where you "did it right", I cannot find the video of that. Is it set to private? Give me the link to your test and let me see.
Sorry Sam.....I wasn 't clear enough. What I meant was that the comparison between the two is apples/oranges...if original loadings are used "Call me" just an expression . No offense or disrespect intended. I do appreciate your effort and work. I gave up carrying the 10 when good ammo was hard to find and boutique ammo was huge $$.;) best to you. Keep on!
VERY IMPORTANT, read this before you watch!
I get the "limp wrist" comment nearly daily in one video or another with this pistol, but from people who haven't a clue what they are talking about, so I urge you not to jump to conclusions. Most of the issue with malfunctions is the feed ramp, the Lone Wolf AlphaWolf CONVERSION barrel I use has a very thin feed ramp, not wide and loose chamber like a stock Glock feed ramp/chamber. Also, in this video I was not using a 10mm extractor in the conversion, so that didn't help. If you still do not believe me, I did a study of all of the hollow point ammo tests I did with this Glock 41 pistol in both the stock and the conversion setup. Why this is important is because I tested SEVERAL .45 ACP+P rounds that were well over the typical energy level of 10mm, as well as at or above typical 10mm bullet weight, and I never once had a jam in those rounds. Here is the study of just the Glock 41 portion:
Glock 41 (.45 ACP)
Shots Fired: 93
Malfunctions: 1
Malfunction Rate: 1.1%
Glock 41 (10mm Conversion)
Shots Fired: 102
Malfunctions: 23
Malfunction Rate: 22.5%
I want to make mention of something here because I really don't want 200 of the same comment. I test ammunition and I am not a "gun channel" per se, so the fact that my Glock pistol jams a lot should not be taken with too much consideration. My Glock 41 .45 ACP has a conversion 10mm barrel/22 lb recoil spring and stock extractor, so it's not setup to run smoothly, but this is something most people understand when it comes to conversions. The supported chamber alone VS a stock barrel can also cause issues. So please, pay attention to the ammunition performance once it leaves the muzzle and don't tell me my Glock sucks, again and again, and again! Thank you.
Maybe the feed ramp on the barrel conversion barrel may need to be deburred, and polished out some may help feeding issues. I know has on some my conversion barrels as they are made like Glock perfection finish, but close enough.
ratagris21 his spring is to weak. If he replaces his spring with a heavier one. Problem solved.
@@helloshklosh4111 mine is 22 lb, almost as high as they go.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ Oh, wow, that is as high as they go.
@@helloshklosh4111 I saw a 24 lb one
Federal 10mm is pretty notorious for being a comparatively low-power 10mm load. More like .40 S&W +P
Their hydra shock and target ammo is. They make a nice trophy bonded load that hits about 1280.
The malfunctions only prove that you need to test your carry ammo in your piece.
Yes, and it never makes sense sometimes. Had jams when I thought I should not and vice versa.
Thanks so much for this video. For people in California, with lots of ammo restrictions already, well 10mm is one of the few rounds I could find last week in my local gun store. This video will definitely help people out here and I agree that the Federal 10mm would be great in a Glock 29. It does not have to be a screaming round to get the job done, and that's the beauty of a 10mm. From mild to wild in the same cartridge and gun. Thanks again, you've definitely helped me out here.
Thanks for watching!
That's my edc 357 you tested there. And you demonstrated why.
Its a decent load, so is the .38 Special version.
The 357 HS has always been a good round, but it is intended for hunting more so than self defense. The 10mm HS did quite well at modest velocity with less recoil than normal 10mm. That certainly has application. Better SD than a 185 gr 45 ACP, and just slightly faster. Win- win.
With a lot of rounds the flexibility is low so they become bracketed in a category of what they are good for ie 9mm/.45 acp/.38 Special good defensive rounds. With .357 Mag and 10mm they can be great for that, but they have to be tested to be sure they are not too hot. A great example might be Hornady Critical Duty in .357 Mag, gives about an even 500 ft lbs energy in a 4" barrel and recoils about the same as a 9mm in a G19, so great defensive round. On the flip side, this Hydrashok in a 2" snub is also close to 500 ft lbs with a heavier bullet, a real wrist snapper and not good in that setup.
It never really matters to me what gun it is. I look at it as a test of a caliber with a certain load and bullet and how it performs out of different barrel lengths . Thanks for your excellent test.
Thank you
Love your work, Sam...I'm a .357 guy, raised on S&W Model 19's, 4 inch barrel. I now have a Taurus 608, 5 rd, .357 snubnose and a Taurus 66, 7 rd, 4 inch barrel .357. For my EDC I carry a G23 with a LoneWolf .357Sig barrel in it. I use Cor-Bon 125gr in the EDC and man do they perform in an outstanding manner. Good work, Sam. Thanks!
Thanks. I been interested in a .40 with a .357 Sig barrel or the opposite for some time as I could get a lot of testing with little spent. Might have to try it.
@@GunSam I would highly recommend it, Sam. Best of both worlds. Practice with (normally) cheap .40 and carry the Sig barrel for EDC.
Action 3,2,1 Gun Sam "357 it is perfect" and cut!
Liked that one. I’m glad that you’re in the sectional density camp & not the bullet weight camp!
Sometimes I do the other way around, but it has a lot to do with what ammo I can find now days.
Thanks for this great vid. I just (Sept) purchased a 686 (3") and was searching around for components. Here in Cali, you just about can't find anything. I bought some Hydra Shocks from Federal and was casting about looking for performance info trying to figger out how fast I'd have to run 'em and found this vid. BTW I was also inspired by your coverage of the 327 Fed but those are like unobtaium right now. Sooooooo........bought a Taurus 856 and the Smith.
Love both calibers 👍
Well put together video. I would love to see the difference in performance between multiple calibers using each calibers' most powerful load. Comparing similar loads between calibers is interesting but if they are intentionally designed similarly then they almost always perform similarly. That's why we have different calibers, different performance.
Thanks, I actually did that a couple weeks back with some light for caliber rounds. At some point i'll go heavier.
Sam,just letting you know that Federal under loads their 10mm bullets. Paul Harrell did a video about it. You should be getting way more velocity out of that 180 grain 10mm. They charge you 10mm prices for .40 S&W performance
Proves why .40 cal is not dead.
@@ratagris21 nothing wrong with .40S&W but if your gonna buy a 10mm pistol the Ammo should be loaded to real 10mm specs like Underwood,double tap or Buffalo Bore.
To be fair I didn't pay more than anything else, but yeah I see 1,350 FPS with other 180 gr ammo.
That is why about 19 years ago I bought a 40cal the price of 10mm was way high compared to the 40 s&w with not much more preference! 40 is not dead... ...but ammunition has improved over the years. Would love to have a 10mm Glock🔫😁
Have you ever tested this ammo? 357 Mag - 125 Grain Lead-Free HP - Barnes TAC-XPD I would be curious to see how it does.
I have not yet but I been curious about it.
Funny that the revolvers never jam!! Doesn't matter how powerful your pistol is if it jams on your third shot. Can't say wait bear I gotta clear this jam!! Watch this channel a lot and this happens regularly with the semi-automatic pistols. Makes powerful revolvers look pretty attractive for self defense!!!
I really do not get many malfunctions on my channel, yet I get comments all the time how they happen a lot. They really don't. I think it's some psychological effect where they saw a few malfunctions with a couple firearms then think they see them a lot. I will go like 20 videos with full boxes of JHP ammo with no malfunctions, then I get one and I start getting comments about how I get malfunctions in "every video".
10mm guys "that was way underloaded!" 357 magnum guys "first time?" Lol
I had the opposite results with PMC ammo.
@@GunSam It sucks that it's so difficult to find full power ammo anymore. Double tap, Buffalo Bore, and Underwood are good but so much of the mass produced stuff is benign. Although the Remington green and white box is pretty decent stuff.
@@akmguyman762X39 All the more reason to get into reloading.
@@jyc2201 you know, I've been considering it more and more
Sig Sauer 10mm is decent for a cheaper (target) ammo. I would never buy federal in 10mm...
If I wanted a .40, I would have simply bought a .40.
Great work as always. I would use either setup, both did really well.
Thanks!
Love the 10mm vs. .357 mag videos! Man, 1,048 fps for a 180 grain bullet from a 5.3" barrel is BELOW a lot of .40 S&W loads!
Yes, but at least they list that on the box.
As always great review. Lots of damage for both rounds
Great video Sam. Both viable rounds for any type of use. I usually put a heavier spring usually +2 lbs to avoid feeding reliability concerns. Works great on pistols and AK variant rifles as well as felt recoil.
Thanks.
I am in the market for a 10mm or .357 range toy/woods gun. I really appreciate these videos, even though the more I consider these calibers, the less easy it becomes to choose😂
I know something that may help your Glock conversion to work better.
I just bought a 1911 10mm (technically put on layaway). I looked a video, where a guy reviewed his 10mm Kimber 1911, and he had a bad time with it, so he replaced the stock 18 pound spring to a higher strength (22-24). Although this helped quite a bit, he still had issues, so he also replaced his stock magazine with a Wilson Combat magazine. Apparently, those two things increased the performance of his weapon considerably. I've also heard the shape of the cartridge will cause issues. A rounder bullet apparently feeds more reliably, especially in weapons still not broken in.
Hope this helps.
My conversion includes a 22 lb spring, conversion barrel, two new 10mm magazines and a 10mm extractor.
As always, good test!👍
Thank you
This 10mm load was still more powerful than most 40S&W loads.
It would be nice to see a 357 vs 41 vs 44 magnums with same barrel size and standard bullet weights for each caliber! Thanks! I like these testing videos 👍
I plan something similar but not quite like that. More like .357 vs 10mm vs .44 mag with hard cast and through tougher than normal meat target setups.
@@GunSam
That would be awesome! If you could include the 41mag it would be awesome I haven't been able to find a test like that. Thanks
I'm a little weary of that 10mm just from an expansion point as it still had a lot of the cavity left meaning out of a shorter barre "your is rather long" it may be just barely expanding at all.
I have the Magnum load in my Ruger GP 100. It shoots so soft that I can put all the rounds on the head from 25 feet at the range, which means only one shot per thug when they try to invade me. Incredible that grown men in the FBI can not handle the 10mm with them soft shooting loads. Always love to see the blasted baloney package. Keep up the good work.
The Federal Hydra Shok 10mm is loaded to .40 S&W like many other mainstream ammunition companies. The new 200 grain 10mm Speer Gold Dot is loaded a bit warmer. A better option for self defense or medium size game.
The best advice is keep the Glock stock. The Winchester Silvertip is a very good self defense round. The Norma 170 JHP was the original load and is devastating. The original 10mm brought 41. Magnum performance. You need Underwood or Buffalo Boar for real 10mm performance.
Underwood does good I tested some as well as the Gold Dot. I think I got around 1,100 FPS with the 200 gr Gold Dot.
Good review 👍 But I believe a full power 10mm should be at the 41 magnum level, it should be noticeably more powerful than the 357mag. Don't understand why Federal loads a full power 357mag but not the 10mm unless they are afraid of the loose chamber of the 10mm causing problems.
I believe the 10mm ammo I would buy are Buffalo Bore, Underwood, or lastly Double Tap. Whats the point of a 10mm if you're gonna shoot anemic ammo. But I couldn't hit
@David Somerset
not sure how you are comparing those rounds but as far as cartridge capability goes 10mm is at the bottom by quite a ways. if you cherry pick commercial loads or personal preference you can get whatever result you want. but if you load your own there is a very clear gap between the 10 and the 357, and even more between the 357 and the 41
The 10mm is not even close to true .41 mag levels. In fact, the 10mm is LESS powerful than .357 mag in max loadings.
Where the heck do all of these 10mm myths come from? Don't you guys look at real chrono results??
@@Hoodyhoo2121 .. reminds me of the 9v40 debate. if you down load the 40 far enough and +p the 9 far enough then it becomes just as effective as the 40. it is not a cartridge performance discussion, but one of personal preference. which is fine, but don't call it a one caliber vs another caliber.
Found out our local PD issues the G41 and Critical Duty with zero officer discretion. Good choice in ammo but I can’t imagine the G41 is a great all around choice after shooting a G21 with my “average” sized hands. G30 was also the compact for detectives/plain clothes. The G35/22/23/27 really are the way to go nowadays for a “bigger caliber option” in my opinion.
The G21 and 41 use the same frame, and that ammo is good too.
The Critical Duty 175 grain 10mm is loaded closely to the Federal Hydra Shok. The G41 has a slimmer grip compared to the Gen 2 and Gen 3 grip which was very difficult for smaller hands to operate.
Magnificent experience, I have a 357 whit a 6.5 barrel
The way I look at it, Federal hydra-shock is of course a soft loaded self defense round for human targets. That’s it. 10MM full power loads are generally to powerful and over penetrate for concealed carry. When it comes to concealed carry, having more than 15” of penetration is just dangerous.
I have tested a lot of 10mm. What you're saying isn't true. They rarely over penetrate. May I ask where you're getting your information from?
Cool vid bro. I have both calibers and understand the difference, variety, and wide range of types of ammo for these two calibers. Would definitely buy the Federals for my .357.
Thank you. Federal is the best company in my opinion.
love federal but can only find "train & protect" ran it through 4" thinking it was range ammo. wow 3" fireball and it heated my henry up fast 😲
So for the .357 guys out there, I am curious what load was Ken Hutchison carrying in his 6" bbl. Python. Okay, just realized that might have sounded dirty, but I was referring to David Soul's character in the classic TV cop show `Starsky and Hutch'. No really, I swear.
I've been looking at the Glock 10's, I do shoot the hydrashok rounds, but if I'm in contact with a Grizz, I'll take my 357 or 44 Mag! A jam is not acceptable! My Rugers have never failed.
The back to back stove pipe removes either the Glock from my list.
Thanks for the comparison, Sam. I've been waiting to see a comparison between 10mm and 357 magnum. I purchased my first 357 magnum in the summer of 1965, a 6" Colt Trooper. I still have a couple of them today a snubby and a 4". Looks to me like my 357 magnum compares well with the 10mm.
Thanks for watching!
Good vid as usual. Thank you
Thanks!
As discussed the other day, I'm not a big fan of the Hornady XTP bullet except in the 10mm. How about some hand loads when you get time. 10mm 180gr against .357 158gr max loads for those guns.
My thing has never been making my .357's hot. I would however be able to get the 10mm's pretty warm with Alliant Power Pistol
@@GunSam Wasn't talking Elmer hot. How about pretty warm then? The 10mm was in the low range and the .357 was in the middle. Might be easier to do it yourself than find comparable factury loads.
Hey Sam. Would you consider the 4" 686 packable for an ongoing basis? Or would you prefer something a bit more tidy, say, a King Cobra, S&W Carry Comp, or Kimber K6S (staying with 6-chamber guns) being a bit more tolerable, in a 26-29oz unloaded weight range? Is a 4" barrel actually feasible for someone who's mostly urban and office dwelling? I prefer 3" barrels as a nice compromise adding some nice velocity above snubs, from what I see on the charts.
4" can be used but you really need to either go inside the waistband or get a high rise belt holster. 3" is lighter would carry easier but a heavy gun can be made feel lighter with the right setup. As far as frame sizes, a 5 shot J frame or 5 shot K-ish frame like an SP101 carries easier than a 6 shot larger frame.
@@GunSam Cool. Have you any experience with the "compact" 6 chamber guns like the K6S or otherwise? I think the Rhino also comes to mind, fitting 6 rounds in a pretty slim package. I'm all about durability too, but if they can achieve that with small dimensions all the better for carrying.
Great video... as usual
Thank you.
Looks like if you want true performance from a 10mm, without spending a fortune buying Underwood and Buffalo Bore, you need to reload.
I love seeing why .357 Magnum has stood the test of time. It almost always performs very well.
I do reload ammo but really have little desire to reload for 10mm.
@@GunSam I have everything to reload 357 but I have yet to actually load some. I do mostly 300 BO and 458 SOCOM.
@@SuperUncleRyan My issue with reloading auto cartridges is every 50 brass yields 40 found fired cases, and 40 brass yield 32 found fired cases. With revolver cartridges I have all of them still. So unless I get into something really nuts for price like .50 AE, I just don't reload a lot of auto cartridges however from time to time I reload .45 Auto.
@@GunSam give the Graco brass catchers a try. They are a bit funky, but they make one model that clamps onto the accessory rail of your Glock, and another that comes fitted to the outside of a glove for autoloaders without a rail. There is a review on UA-cam somewhere of it if you want to see it in action, though I'm sure you could rig something up on your own with a coat hanger and some netting. I have both the glove and the clamp on model, the clamp on model does make the gun a bit hinky to shoot (alters the balance) and while it does not obscure the sights you don't get the best view of the right side of the gun. I generally come home with all my brass save a very few that get launched into the shooting area of the public indoor range I shoot at. Out of fifty I might lose one or two. The glove version is less cool but there is nothing hanging off the end of your gun.
Have you ever tried a 7.62x25 mm. I have a story about one I used to own.
My brother-in-law bought it off my he's a former Marine and a bit of a know-it-all he had it in a shoulder holster and violated all the safety rules
1) the holster was too big for the gun
2) I'll just combine the rest, he had a round in the chamber, hammer chocked, and the safety off
The gun fell out of the holster onto the floor the round went through his ankle, across the room and out through the wall and was never found. Luckily nobody else was injured
I have not tried it as the ammo variety is limited. The pistols are pretty cheap to buy though.
@@GunSam when I bought mine I figured to use it for carry and home defense but the round is too powerful for that
Some Dunham's carry it and so does Cheaper than Dirt
I wonder, because of the lower velocity of the 10mm, if running it out of a shorter gun would cause expansion issues. That is so often the case in other calibers, I would guess it would be the same here. Thoughts???
i'm not 100% sure. People often quote velocity as why we see expansion, but I have always said this isn't quite true. In reality it's energy, and it's also dependent on hollow cavity size. An example would be that I get all sorts of hollow point expansion with 230 gr .45 ACP despite often getting it at numbers like 800 FPS. Take that same bullet design and put it in a 125 gr .38 Special at 800 FPS and it will not expand. The difference is that the .45 ACP has double the energy, and the larger hollow cavity helps too. Now in general, a Hydrashok bullet has a pretty hard jacket and the .45 ACP Hydrashok does not expand well even at 230 gr/900 FPS/414 ft lbs, so this would suggest that the 10mm Hydrashok would get no expansion from a short barrel, but it's not exactly velocity related to a point.
@@GunSam true, I have seen that in tests as well. .38 especially. I've got Remington golden sabre in .38 spl +p that seems to expand well from a short barrel. That's what I'm going to carry in my s&w 642. Have you ever done a test on that load?
Just one, but I always have issues with Golden Saber ammo and my chronograph. ua-cam.com/video/g6WsZK0ZYdA/v-deo.html
Nice one ...
Thanks
While I love the Jug or Not... may I make a suggestion when testing 10 MM....In today's world the State of Alaska seems to have moved from the 44 mag to carrying Glock 20 in 10mm auto.. Would it be difficult to simulate the hide of a Grizzly Bear and his muscle mass and find what 10mm factory ammo works best? I guess the theory is bad shot placement and need for capacity vs the power of 6 rounds of 44 mag.
I plan something like that in about a month. I am picking up a .44 Mag revolver and plan a hard cast test with maybe extra bologna, a 2x4 and some carpet! You can figure it out lol
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_
I’m really looking forward to the 44 mag!
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ when you get the 44 👍 it will be interesting to see I’ll be waiting .
Have you ever tried Guard dog ammo?
No. I used to see it online a couple years ago but I think it's discontinued. The main reason I never tried it is because I believe it was only in 9mm, .40 and .45 so I wasn't interested.
OMG! Dude, I appreciate these videos, truly, but you GOTTA use the 130 grain Hydra Shoks! The 158 grain loads are NOT the way to go! They do not do the .357 Magnum justice!
I don't know about that. I did test the 130 gr and the 158 gr in snubs and in that short barrel I had 452 ft lbs for the 130 gr and 494 ft lbs for the 158 gr. So going into 4" barrels the energy would be about the same.
I wonder why have a 10mm if it's not loaded to 10mm original specs. At 37500 psi the 10mm will be at the original power.
Federal in my experience is all warmish .40. Good ammo, but no where loaded near its potential .
Yeah this 10mm is a little odd for Federal, they also load their .38 Special HST oddly low, same with the low recoil Hydrashok. But most of their ammo is pretty decent and powerful, and all of it is close to rated velocity.
Federal shame on you ! - Paul harrel
This is the 3rd video where the Block 10mm has been featured, and a malfunction has occurred in each. The Block fan boys are at Sam's gate with pitchforks. Let the excuses rain.
To be fair I think there are excuses. I think it's mainly the spring is too much for light rounds plus a .45 extractor with a smaller rim.
Which would be the most suitable for defense if we compare firepower
In your opinion is there any stopping power ?
There's a lot of numbers and statistics to prove that the .357 Mag is very effective to stop a human threat, as where those statistics are not really there for the 10mm, but there are statistics on .40 S&W so i'd say both would work near as well as each other.
rated velocity of 1030 ft/s??? That is 314m/s.... WTF? This is ridiculously pudloaded for a 10mm.....
10mm is an awesome round. Why do the ammunition manufacturers do this underpowered BS to this cartridge?
Probably bullet specific, but who knows. The Hydrashok bullet is a little iffy, but Federal probably put their main good work into the 10mm HST.
Call me when you test/compare a REAL 10mm against run-of-the-mill .357; not the CYA FBI-lite loadings. Try something equivalent to the original Norma (170gr/1450fps, 200gr/1200, IIRC Norma box printing)
I really don't understand you comment, even in the slightest. Call you? When I do? Umm, okay?
BTW looking at your channel where you "did it right", I cannot find the video of that. Is it set to private? Give me the link to your test and let me see.
Sorry Sam.....I wasn 't clear enough. What I meant was that the comparison between the two is apples/oranges...if original loadings are used
"Call me" just an expression . No offense or disrespect intended. I do appreciate your effort and work. I gave up carrying the 10 when good ammo was hard to find and boutique ammo was huge $$.;) best to you. Keep on!