I am linking some shooting with some Federal 240 gr full power .44 Magnum ammo so that people can get a real idea of the recoil energy if this round in comparison to typical .44 Magnum ammo. I think that the Buffalo Bore ammo is not only in general much hotter, but I believe that being a longer than normal projectile coupled with less "smoosh" into the bore because it has no lead core, makes it hang longer and makes even more felt recoil than typical. ua-cam.com/video/bygpNx-29hU/v-deo.html
@@robertmosher7418 I don't really know. In a 4" barrel probably not, but I would bet longer barrels that retain more power might lose more with porting over not.
@@robertmosher7418 probably .. W a .44 like this Itd take any animal alive Provided shot placement was sufficient. I think you’d be in good hands either way
A carry a 10 mm 1911 Sig originally for bear country. I like the gun so much it became my EDC I use defense rounds but in the woods I use the Buffalo bore.
I wanted people who are not understanding how much recoil this .44 Mag has in a S&W 69 revolver, to understand the recoil as I have had a lot of "I can do it better" comments about taking a step back. First of all, I am fairly strong but am now disabled with several health issues, I am 6'0", 240 and OLDER than people think I am, as i'm in my 40's and my hands are larger than average. To give a couple comparable starting numbers, a typical 9mm pistol in the Glock 19 weight range with typical ammo gives about 6 ft lbs of recoil energy. A typical .357 Magnum in my 4" 686 gives about 9 ft lbs recoil energy. Now onto .44 Magnum. In this revolver, a typical 240 gr JSP round like Remington UMC or Winchester USA will give about 15 ft lbs recoil energy, this is a lot compared to the 9mm. But this Mono-Metal round is a whopping 28 ft lbs recoil energy. To put that into perspective, this is like taking THREE rounds of full house .357 Magnum 158 gr and firing them at the same time from one revolver. To put it short, this Mono-Metal is brutal, but I wanted to share with you guys what it could do. And yes, my hands were sore for 3 days after making this video. But I do appreciate all my subscribers who watch!
Partner that 69 is a handful with a hot round! Now about the hottest recoiling weapon I have fired was a short barreled Ruger with the 454 Casull. This in my opinion is where the model 69 is in 44 mag resides. I have seen rifles with recoil in energy ratings. But never handguns. My 500 is a pussycat with mild rounds but a 700gr Underwood is a handfull.
@@ronniehahn1885 I get it with that .454! My friend has the big old 8 3/8" .460 Mag, and even in that beast we were shooting 200 gr Leverevolution .460 S&W Mags and the recoil was fine, but the "lesser" .454 ammo, I will guess it was like 250 gr or something, had MORE recoil than the .460 S&W Mag. Never figured that out, but my guess is that at a certain power level, bullet weight starts to be more and more important to how much muzzle rise is transitioned back to felt recoil. Like .45 auto VS 9mm, close in power and recoil is close too but the muzzle jumps on .45 with no discernible transfer of actual ft lbs recoil. I will bet the .454 getting up there does push that muzzle rise into discernible recoil lbs. Just a guess though.
@@GunSam yes my friend the 454 is handful and dont let nobody tell you different. Now something you might experiment with is the 45 long colt or some people call it 45 colt. Factory loads are kinda meager so to speak but I have loaded the cartridge to what seems to be past a 44mag. Granted I dont have a chronograph. Just keep doing your videos. Some of the best I have seen. Good luck with your health also.
@@GunSam recoil is measured by knowing the weight of the powder charge, the weight of the bullet, the speed of the bullet and the weight of the firearm. The Ruger is lighter than the 460 S&W and the ergonomics may not suit you as well. There are many factors involved. If one measures the recoil of a 500 S&W four inch (one inch being the shroud), and uses the same load in an 8 3/8 inch barrel. The longer heavier gun could be the one that recoils more. The reason is that although the shorter 4 inch 500 weighs 3.5 pounds and the heavier 8 3/8 inch 500 weighs 4.5 pounds, it however shoots so substantially faster that this entering into the equation shows that the heavier gun doesn't necessarily mitigate the recoil because of the additional recoil generated by the higher speed produced by its longer barrel. In general one loses around 300 feet per second in the shorter barrel. These 300 additional feet of speed in the longer barrel are quite sufficient to negate any recoil taming advantages the heavier gun may offer. The recoil action being different in a shorter barrel than in a longer barrel, those differences may not be felt at times unless they are measured. The Casull is a high performance round approaching the maximum speeds obtained in the 460 S&W. There is very little difference with some loads, more with others. Depending on what you shot, the speed difference may have been minimal in which case the lighter Ruger will definitely recoil more. Lastly, the 460 S&W has a muzzle brake, this alone makes quite a difference.
But but but... The 10mm is better than 44 mag. 😭 Get so sick of hearing fan boys compare 10mm to 44 mag. There is a night and day difference between the 2. It has been proven over and over and over again. That being said. Loved the videos! Finally found a channel that has a clue to what they are talking about. You earned my subscription. Thanks!
As a Redhawk 44 magnum owner since 1984 I can attest to it's power and accuracy. I don't handload hot loads, but know the revolver can handle it. I'm a wheelgun man unless it is a High Standard 22. I doubt I'd want a jammed pistol when a cougar or bear wants to have issues with me. Love the testing on this one. I can only hope it was not beef bologna, but you could still have a sandwich after the 10mm...As my old Dad said "steak with a hole in it is better than no steak at all"
Thanks! I think it was beef bologna, bit I never know. I usually quickly throw 4-6 bologna packs in my shopping cart on my weekly trip, just whatever I find.
i am against double action revolvers, i had a ruger gp100 .357 jam up on me and the cylinder was locked for several minutes, while target shooting. i have never had that kind of issue with my semi-autos.
@@maxtheroofer8004 The only issue I have ever had on a revolver was primers not seated deep enough on hand loads so the cylinder wouldn't turn. I have only shot my 44 on double action a couple times. Each shot raised my impact point a couple feet.
@@maxtheroofer8004 no gun is a sure thing. I once bought a Python from a guy who carried it on duty, then had it hang up - had to stone a small burr where the hand turns the cylinder. That said, I’ve carried a 1911 40+ years but have seen a lot more jams with autos than revolvers. Learning to handload in the mid 1970’s with an auto was educational.🙄
I used to live in Alaska,Nobody and I mean nobody I know,would never think of carrying a 10mm.I carried a Ruger(Redhawk)4-inch barrel with Hand Loaded(300-grain)45-Colt.Also have a Super Alaskan Redhawk two and a half inch in 454-Casull .
44 mag is a bad cat 🐈 it is still hard to beat for it's size after all these decades this newer ammo just makes it better. Thank you Elmer Keith not bad for a turn of the century cowboy 🤠.
I've shot .44 out of a 6 and 3\8 barrel (and loved it). I don't believe I would even attempt out of a 4 inch and definitely not that particular load of ammo. Thanks for takin one for the team Sam!
I have a model 329PD with a 4.25 inch barrel that has been quad ported by Mag-Na-Port and use an X-frame revolver rubber grip on mine. Makes it better to shoot…with ear protection.
I always take a small wooden dowel that will fit in the chambers to help knock out stuck cases. That will keep you from possibly damaging the extractor lips or rod. Nice video!
Normally I also would not shoot a sasquatch from fear of causing an itch and making mad, but this might give him a red welt enough to make him go away. The crypto animals are always the hardest to get the right load for, unlike mortal animals.
I hope you are are kidding and know there is a word called "cryptozoology" which is the definition of undiscovered or believed to exist (by a few) mythical beasts.
In the 70's when I was a teenager I had one of the old Taurus 38 specials and I shot hot Super Vel ammo in it. I had to beat the cases out with a hammer and screw driver. I am surprised I that I didn't blow that gun up.
Just watched another channel doing "Bear gun" review. It was sloppy, he didn't appologise for "being the worst shot of the major gun channels (!)" and there was nothing to demonstrate the power of the cartridge/pistol combinations. He aptly demonstrated YOUR professionalism in stark contrast. Sorry to hear about your physical challenges and thank you for pushing past them to deliver this outstanding video. I carry a "bear gun" in the face of real potential threats and have a personal stake in having the most capable ammo in my Ruger .44. Thanks again. DOUGout
I like the 44 mag! It has its class and purpose. Wonderful round or I wouldnt own the gun. That lil model 69 is so light its a handful. The 69 I think was catered for ccw. Even still I think my next one will be a 629 with a 3 inch barrel. The extra weight might tame recoil a little? My favorite is my Super Blackhawk with 7 1/2 inch barrel quite a bit of custom work on it. Sweetest trigger I ever felt on a Ruger!
Harry Callahan would be thrilled with you!!!!!!! The 44 magnum has always been in a class by itself!!!!!!!! I love the 10mm and carry one for self-defense!!!!! Outstanding test, extremely realistic!!!!!
Another awesome video. You looked like you were having a good time with those to calibers. I really wish I was in a position to get you a kkm barrel so you could at least enjoy your 10mm. Lone wolf really should be embarrassed to put out that barrel. Thanks again and as always you make learning fun
I really love my S&W 629. Pachmeyr grips make it really comfortable to shoot. One day at the range I saw a guy shooting some heavy Buffalo Bore 300gr? .44 Mag and I thought two things: Wow its nice to know my gun should be able to handle that...and I'd never run anything like through my gun! The .44 Mag is very capable!
I'm a proud 10mm fanboy. Own several. My two favorites are my Fusion Firearms Freedom 1911, M&P 2.0, and my overall favorite is my Witness Match 10mm. I will take 15 rounds of 10mm over 5 or 6 44 mag any day. With that said, I love my 357's, 44's, and especially my two 41 Rem Mags.
I'm looking at 10mm right now. From what I can see reliability with actual full power loads just doesn't exist, especially with the M&P 2.0. What has been your experience?
@@37gdog reliability for me has been 100% as long as you have an unmodified Glock. Add in a shitty lone wolf barrel and the damn thing jammed with lower powered rounds and double tap 180gr HP but even with that shit lone wolf barrel, it wouldn’t jam with the 230 gr cast lead. I now use 220 gr buffalo bores and use the Glock barrel with no issues. Just make sure to clean a lot more than usual to reduce buildup in the barrel. I’ve never had a jam in the two 10mm glocks I’ve owned and have shot many, many rounds through them with the factory barrel.
The Buffalo Bore 44 magnum 265 grain Lehigh solid copper bullet at over 1300 fps is for DEEP and straight penetration on the largest dangerous game. You should have that model 69 Mag-na-port treated and keep a wooden dowel rod to tap the brass out. My model 329PD is ported and I use the 500 S&W magnum sorbethane padded grip too.
Use a wooden dowel rod. Some guy had a 475 Linebaugh and used a Philips head screwdriver to push the bullets that would creep forward with recoil and tie up the cylinder back into the case to free up rotation again.
So good confirmation for my bowhunting sidearm, chose the Glock 29 with a hard cast 220 round. Gives me up to 15 rounds to stop, slow down or generally piss off a big grizzly. Thanks for the demo.
The thing about a 12ga and a .44mag, is that they have their own unique version of recoil. Both hit hard, and their effect on your body is similar, but the damage they both do to a target/animal/2-legged animal, is just crazy! I wish you could borrow my Rock Island Ultra FS HC. 16+1 of 10mm, out of an all steel 1911 with a 5” barrel! You would love it! Great video as always, and go give that poor 629 some TLC 😁👍🏽
Thanks. I still remember when I took my alloy frame 18" Mossberg and shot a 3" magnum 12 gauge slug though it. I was amazed. I then did the recoil math, and I know it wasn't off. The 9mm pistol I had was like 5 lbs recoil energy, the 30-30 rifle 14 lbs. That 12 gauge slug in my gun was like 34 lbs recoil energy into my shoulder.
Love my model 69 4". Carry it with buffalo bore 300gr hard casts in it everytime I take the family camping or to the zoo. I'll have to look into getting those x frame grips to put on mine as well.
I love my 10mm. It's powerful enough to kill anything, plus you can buy ammo that won't overpenetrate. I love my 500 S&W but hate shooting it. I'm usually accurate for about 3 shots, then the flinch takes over about the time I my palm is red and I have a busted blood vessel in my trigger finger. If in the situation of having a charging grizzly I'd like to say that I would be happier with the 500 because I'm thinking that I wouldn't worry about recoil if I were about to die....but at the same time I wouldn't feel under powered with 15, and 1 in the pipe, hot 10mm rounds. It's a scenario that is likely to never happen but I think I'll carry the 500 mag in bear country with my 10mm in a holster for backup. Haha
Had a 44 SW Model 29, all original wood grips, in wooden box. A real beauty. I'm 6'6", 260, monster hands, hated shooting that gun. Trigger guard would hit my middle finger. No matter what I did.
Looking at these bullets maybe I will get a box to hand load in my 445 Super Mag. I've loaded Hornady XTP 300gr HP and, if I remember right, were running over 1,400 fps from a Dan Wesson with 8" barrel. It's been so long I'd have to chronograph again to be sure.
Really like watching your videos. Especially liked this one about the 44. Awesome cartridge. I’ve had several 44s in the past, both handguns and rifles. My favorite caliber. I use a single action 44 rite now with 71/2 inch barrel. I’ve not tried the ammo you used, but do a lot of reloading. I use the Keith style hardcast semi wadcutter behind his favorite 22 grains of 2400 powder. That load has always performed well out of all the guns I’ve used it in, especially in an older TC super 14 contender. Pure poison on deer. I hope your health gets better, and you make more videos on the great 44.
I've shot 44 mag buffalo bore 340 gr hard cast, nice to see the power from the dangerous game ammo. It would be interesting to see how the BB 340 hard cast would compare. Great video
Yeah it would have been interesting to compare the HARDNESS of both. Shooting them through something other than gel. Or better yet, have a lab perform a hardness test on both. Math never lies.
Those .44s have an astounding amount of power , you probably don't "need a bigger boat " there perfect self defence rounds for Polar Bear or Godzilla . I can honestly say they certainly knocked you about a bit & I think it's the first time I've seen You flinch , and that's "Really Saying Something " Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
A revolver does not have feeding issues! Thats reason one of why I exhanged my Springfield Armory P9 for a S&W 686 .357 6". The second reason: I was shooting wonderful groups with the P9 3" at 50 meters but the P9 had me crawling around on all fours hunting the brass, the gun threw them 5 - 10 meters away. With my 686 I get the brass right in my hand.
Great video, soo, wondering why Buffalo Bore clearly states on their website to only shoot these rounds through specific handgun models, mainly Ruger. Which they specifically state, NOT to shoot from any S&W. Thoughts? I have your S&W Combat 69
After doing some load development seeking similar power levels in my 44 mag.... I bought a 480 Ruger. 370gr starting loads are 1500 ft lbs out of my 7.5 SRH and the spent brass falls right out, which is a valid point to consider when you're in bear country and need to reload without hammering the eject rod. It's not unpleasant to shoot and sometimes you just need a bigger hammer for the job.
One of the reasons that handguns like the 44 mag are hard to shoot accurately is you feel like you have to put a death grip on it to keep the thing from burying itself in your forehead. If you can get past that and relax a little you'll discover that you don't have to grip one as hard as you think. But there's no denying that it takes a lot of practice to become proficient with a heavy recoiling handgun. I think that's why the 10 mm has become so popular for bear defense. Misses with a 44 mag don't count for anything. I respect the fact that you didn't edit out the times you missed with the 44. You obviously shoot a lot and that just goes to show how difficult it is to shoot well. I've owned a 4" Smith and Wesson 629 for years. It used to be quite painful to shoot. Then when I turned about 45 years old it just stopped hurting for some reason. I thought the ammo I was buying must have been loaded light but I started handloading and bought a chronograph and discovered that it wasn't the ammo that had changed. I guess I just got accustomed to it. So I bought a ruger Alaskan 454 casull. That handgun will make me develop a flinch if I'm not careful. Keep up the good videos. I enjoy watching them. Liked and subscribed.
Happy to say that you inspired me with that steel target. I just invested in some AR500 steel spinning targets for my local outdoor range. Can't wait to make it out there & give em' a shoot! Thanks for the great videos Sam.
That .44 ammo would defenatly work for hunting and defense against large bears. I would like to know if you had other signs of over pressure given the very sticky extraction you experienced. The 10mm would do well for hunting. That was a great video and 28 ftlbs recoil is a lot. A heavier revolver would help some with recoil.
I use the 44 magnum for concealed carry, open carry and home defense. I live on a farm and my closest neighbor is about 1.5 miles away. I used to carry concealed the Glock-19 until both of my daughters took mine for their own self defense and CCW.
Impressive testing Sam. Would love to see more caliber comparison tests using Buffalo Bore ammo. I have found that Buffalo Bore usually makes the hottest factory ammo and is my go to defensive round for my 357 and my little 380.
Hey Sam I was sad to hear of your viability issues I know very well how it can mess with your head as well(I have ms pretty bad and it only gets worse) so I'm glad you have a hobby that keeps your mind busy and we all get to benefit from your hobby. I hope you are able to keep doing videos or at least keep shooting. That's my main outlets but the primer situation has really messed that up. Keep up the good fight and thanks for your cool videos. Thanks Sam
I have a Glock 41 Mos and had a jamming problem at the feed ramp with any kinds of ammo I bought. So what I did was Polish the feed ramp and no more problem. I later up grade to a wolf creek barrel (lone wolf) and had the same jamming so I polished the feed ramp on that barrel problem gone.
@@64samsky Looking into 454 Casull leverguns. Chatting with a guy that's running handloads from his Rossi Puma 454 20". He's achieving around 2900 ft-lb energy. Nuts.
A couple of things regarding the .44 mag. 1. I've heard the S&W .44 mag isn't really designed for these types of high powered rounds. I'd worry it might damage the cylinder with expansion. The Rugers can handle it and I'd argue the big Taurus M44SS, which has a massive cylinder. 2. I have the larger Taurus in .44 mag and don't have nearly the recoil issue with it. I'm not big, 5'8" stocky with average sized hands. I think it's that the big Taurus is heavy AND has a ported barrel. That really helps. If you can get a hold of one, try it out. NOT the Tracker - get the M44SS 4" ported barrel in 6 shot. It should comfortably do everything you ask if it and for a reasonable price point.
Good laughs over the 44 mag, since I can relate to shooting a few heavy loads out of my lightweight 329. Absolutely brutal recoil, and probably never again. The failure to extract sure could be a major problem if by chance, however small, you have to reload.
Excellent video. Apologize if this has been covered already. A wide meplat will do more damage than a round nose, due to it displacing tissue, and making a wider, more traumatic wound channel. Respect from Canada Sir
I hand load 180gr FMJ flat nose bullets for my 10mm that push 1450 ft/s out of my 6in barrel with no signs of over-pressure or accuracy problems. They still hit 1390-1400 out of the stock Glock 20 barrel. I think Buffalo Bore downloaded those rounds for reduced recoil. I suppose the solid copper construction makes them longer for the weight, leaving less room for powder, but it still seems like they could have gotten more power out of them.
Good Demo . .. high quality demonstration of the brutal power in 44 mag. hot. rounds. I wonder if the 10mm. double stack w/ 16 rounds can take a Brown bear... It can't break skull bones --- I would not Want to even be in Brown Bear Country with out a 12 Gauge Semi auto bull pup or pump with slugs. Need a Sidearm - I like the affordable Rock Island 10mm. 1911. all steel. But Might be better to have the 44 with a manageable load so you could get 4 shots off before breaking something in your hand . 45 colt w/ hot rounds could work for a back up to the 12 Guage. but in a crisis the double action is safer i think.
I have a very rare (for these days) S&W 460 Magnum with a 2” barrel & one with a 11” plus barrel. Hoot to shoot and a good amount of recoil. I own two 44’s and a 454 as well. The 454 while not as powerful as the 460’s, it’s a much more punishing recoil for some reason. It really just the way the 454 toklat is made that hurts. My 44 anaconda hurts to, but my 44 Blackhawk doesn’t really feel bad at all. The most fun to shoot is actually the 460’s due to how accurate they are
I felt the same thing for recoil when my friend and I shot his 8 3/8" S&W .460 Magnum. We were surprised at how .460 ammo was easy to shoot and .454 was that brutal recoil that you feel with 300 gr .44 Mag.
@@GunSam yes the 460 is a big recoil but different. That 454 puts all of its recoil straight back into your wrist. I don’t enjoy it. I had a super red hawk years ago and it wasn’t as bad as the toklat. The 460 puts the recoil up high like it’s going over your head but doesn’t hurt. I love shooting it except when I have to buy ammo. Both are pricey enough I guess
Yes, I had the gray colored super red hawk in 454 and it did feel way better than the toklat. I should have kept it. It was difficult to remove the hulls but it could have been because of cheap brass. I didn’t try enough other stuff to find out.
You need a wooden dowel rod to poke the cases out. Do not hammer the ejector rod as it can bend it out of true. You need to Mag-na-port for recoil mitigation in that Model 69. The X-frame grips help the recoil absorbing somewhat but porting is the real difference.
Hello there, I'm late to the party, but watching what 44 Mag did to your ballistics test brought joy to my heart. I get a kick out of rocking cut tree stump backward.
I would think in the 629 or 29 the recoil would be a little tamer..... Who am I kidding....that stuff is way hot and you had better hit it with the first shot cuz you might not get another. On the 10mm, that would be a viable option out of a 1911 style or a G20 or 29. Great presentation...Thank you.
Yeah, great round/gun. I have shot .44 S&W Russian all the way up to hot magnums. A good 1,000 ft lb difference between loads. Anyone can find something that suits them in there.
Good, revealing detail! Thank you. I carry both when bow hunting in bear country. My 329 weighs about 27 oz, so the recoil is magnified substantially. However, follow-ups are still possible when you are adrenalized by the possibility of becoming bear scat.
I was impressed how well the 44 mag did and very disappointed in the penetration of the 10mm. Kinda defeats the purpose of that 190gr round. I think the 10mm will do a lot better in the hard cast lead versions. In any case, dangerous game is less dangerous if you can hit fast, accurate and deep on demand. If a shooter cannot master the recoil then he needs a lighter load or heavier gun or both. The full size 10 mm shines in this environment. So does a full size 44 mag. So does even a mid size 41 mag. I am impressed that your video does not just show the difference in penetration but you demonstrate the hardships of the big blasters and why they are not always the best choice in the field. Though I'll be the first guy to praise the fella who has mastered the big blasters in a field environment... though they are very few.
I tried that exact ammo in my Glock 20. It turned it into the "Jam-O-matic". I have also tried that ammo in my Rock Island 1911 with no issues whatsoever.
These are hot rounds. I don’t blame you for having a hard time with the recoil. If you want to get a gun to handle it better, might I suggest a super red hawk, Blackhawk, or magnum research BFR. You can get these for a little more than $1000 but they will handle these loads much better and they offer the 7.5” barrel which really helps too.
I bet it would be more powerful than that. 1,657 FPS/1,615 FPE is it's 18" rifle rating. Plus if it's a Foster slug, those things are like butter and break up fast, probably penetrating not even half as far as the mono metal.
You found it Sam!!!!! The .88 Magnum in a .44 Mag round. Very devastating round for sure. A black bear will definitely will feel that. Great round. 🎩☯️♠️
I bought a S&W 629 Classic .44 mag recently, with a 6.5" barrel its really fun to shoot. Seems a lot easier to handle than the shorter barrel in the S&W 69.
I see you are shooting isosceles stance and it has been incredibly popular for the last decade or so. My old gray head still far prefers modified Weaver as it allows more control in nearly every situation including heavy recoiling firearms. All it took was a couple of match shooters to win a few matches and everyone converted without ever considering that they had shot 100,000 rounds to make it work for them. Give the old push pull of the modified Weaver a try and watch those hard kickers settle right down for you.
Back is messed up, hence why I don't shoot Weaver or even carry on the hip. Seeing as this ammo is so ridiculous and double the recoil of normal magnum ammo, i'm fine with my stance.
Nice comparison. 🍎 Apples to 🍊 oranges. .44 magnum has twice the energy and in some cases three times the energy of 10 MM. 10mm is more on par with the venerable .357 magnum.
A thought about measurement when the bullet moved the block back. I think you would not push the block back to the original spot to measure. Instead, take the distance incorporating the block movement, and then add a couple of inches MORE. The bullet expended a great deal of energy in moving both of those blocks back, which did not translate into penetration because the blocks absorbed energy by moving backward. If the blocks had been solidly anchored, surely the bullet would have penetrated a bit farther.
The 10mm is plenty, but no match for the .44 magnum. I have a 1st gen Glock 20, and a 6 inch Colt Anaconda. I’ve been contemplating getting the 4 in Taurus .44 mag.
FOOL or WISE Remember: a handgun is very risky to use on "dangerous" animals like bears & hippos. Always have a powerful long gun for this kind of self-defense. Only the foolish just use a handgun that is in itself a bad compromise. No.1 bear defense is a *shotgun* filled with slugs.
I shot a few white tail deer with my Smith and wesson 44 magnum and 2 with my Smith and wesson 500 both calibers put them right down with no problem i only take neck shots love watching your videos
Another great video!! The 305 hardcast flat point from BuffaloBore in the 44mag are a beast!! Especially out of my 3 in barrel S&W!! You won't see me in Alaska with out my 44mag! The ten MM is better than a 45 but not for me. Excellent Honest video brother!!!!
That is where I prefer the single round ejector my Ruger’s had. It’s just easier to push 1 instead of 6. Now a days, as an old man, my handgun hunting is with the 10mm as it’s enough for most game out to about 50-60 yds and it doesn’t kill my hand/arm.
That 10mm is impressive. That .44mag is scary. Even with how hard it is to find magnum rounds these days I might not get excited to see that, because my .44mag is an Air Lite M329PD S&W, so rounds with that much spice are gonna kick like a horse...
I ordered the classic Federal 240 gr SJHP directly from them. They look really cool, got them delivered yesterday. Those are the loads I get excited about, not non expanding bear rounds, as here in Michigan the biggest animal threat is a black bear, which are rare but also they can be defeated by an old lady swinging a broom saying "go away bear!". They see that sht and are like, nope, I don't want none of that.
@@GunSam Here in Oregon the bears are big enough along the coast to toss fully loaded industrial garbage bins around like the are woka-cola cans. Hahaha, scary bear, scary gun, scary ammo. 🤣🤣🤣 Fun times, but am on a fun diet. Can't wait to see the video feature your new ammo.
@@crusiethmaximuss I seen some of those videos of those bears, like Holy Fecal Matter. Love the Woka-Cola reference. Will start using that if I am forced to have a Woka-Cola at a restaurant.
I'd not be comfortable with these kind of rounds in the alloy frame of the 329pd or it's titanium cylinder,,,,unlike stainless or carbon steel that titanium just doesn't have the toughness,,,I offed the 329 I had because I also have the little brother to it the model 340pd (357 magnum) and have twice over had flame cutting issues with the cylinder, I gave up and it now uses a stainless cylinder from a lady smith model 60 357 and no more titanium cylinder flame cutting issues,,,so I'd stay away from these in that gun because the flame from them is tons worse than the 357 not to mention the pressures,,,I tend to look at both the model 69's and the 329pd as 44 special guns that have 44mag capabilties if you absolutely have to or need to because they are both abussive to shoot such rounds in and are pushing them right to the limits of what they can handle and even at that you're running into the accelerated wear zone when pushing them that far,,,their strong enough guns but everything has it's limits as they say.
I've never understood buying a gun that you can't shoot full loads in. I understand they carry nice but in that 1 in million chance you needs full 44mag performance and you have 44 special loads seems kind of back ward thinking. The 329 is a really cool gun but it will lay a hurt on ya and I shoot a 475 Linebaugh
I am linking some shooting with some Federal 240 gr full power .44 Magnum ammo so that people can get a real idea of the recoil energy if this round in comparison to typical .44 Magnum ammo. I think that the Buffalo Bore ammo is not only in general much hotter, but I believe that being a longer than normal projectile coupled with less "smoosh" into the bore because it has no lead core, makes it hang longer and makes even more felt recoil than typical. ua-cam.com/video/bygpNx-29hU/v-deo.html
As far as the recoil goes, what are the disadvantages of magnsporting your 44 magnum? Would it mess with terminal ballistics or lower muzzle velocity?
@@robertmosher7418 I don't really know. In a 4" barrel probably not, but I would bet longer barrels that retain more power might lose more with porting over not.
@@GunSam would it depend on how much of the propellant is burned by the time the bullet gets to the porting?
@@robertmosher7418 probably .. W a .44 like this Itd take any animal alive Provided shot placement was sufficient. I think you’d be in good hands either way
A carry a 10 mm 1911 Sig originally for bear country. I like the gun so much it became my EDC I use defense rounds but in the woods I use the Buffalo bore.
I wanted people who are not understanding how much recoil this .44 Mag has in a S&W 69 revolver, to understand the recoil as I have had a lot of "I can do it better" comments about taking a step back. First of all, I am fairly strong but am now disabled with several health issues, I am 6'0", 240 and OLDER than people think I am, as i'm in my 40's and my hands are larger than average. To give a couple comparable starting numbers, a typical 9mm pistol in the Glock 19 weight range with typical ammo gives about 6 ft lbs of recoil energy. A typical .357 Magnum in my 4" 686 gives about 9 ft lbs recoil energy.
Now onto .44 Magnum. In this revolver, a typical 240 gr JSP round like Remington UMC or Winchester USA will give about 15 ft lbs recoil energy, this is a lot compared to the 9mm. But this Mono-Metal round is a whopping 28 ft lbs recoil energy. To put that into perspective, this is like taking THREE rounds of full house .357 Magnum 158 gr and firing them at the same time from one revolver. To put it short, this Mono-Metal is brutal, but I wanted to share with you guys what it could do. And yes, my hands were sore for 3 days after making this video. But I do appreciate all my subscribers who watch!
Be careful with that, bro. I have two arthritic thumbs, most likely from shooting heavy calbres (but not nearly as heavy as yours here!) one handed.
Partner that 69 is a handful with a hot round! Now about the hottest recoiling weapon I have fired was a short barreled Ruger with the 454 Casull. This in my opinion is where the model 69 is in 44 mag resides. I have seen rifles with recoil in energy ratings. But never handguns. My 500 is a pussycat with mild rounds but a 700gr Underwood is a handfull.
@@ronniehahn1885 I get it with that .454! My friend has the big old 8 3/8" .460 Mag, and even in that beast we were shooting 200 gr Leverevolution .460 S&W Mags and the recoil was fine, but the "lesser" .454 ammo, I will guess it was like 250 gr or something, had MORE recoil than the .460 S&W Mag. Never figured that out, but my guess is that at a certain power level, bullet weight starts to be more and more important to how much muzzle rise is transitioned back to felt recoil. Like .45 auto VS 9mm, close in power and recoil is close too but the muzzle jumps on .45 with no discernible transfer of actual ft lbs recoil. I will bet the .454 getting up there does push that muzzle rise into discernible recoil lbs. Just a guess though.
@@GunSam yes my friend the 454 is handful and dont let nobody tell you different. Now something you might experiment with is the 45 long colt or some people call it 45 colt. Factory loads are kinda meager so to speak but I have loaded the cartridge to what seems to be past a 44mag. Granted I dont have a chronograph. Just keep doing your videos. Some of the best I have seen. Good luck with your health also.
@@GunSam recoil is measured by knowing the weight of the powder charge, the weight of the bullet, the speed of the bullet and the weight of the firearm. The Ruger is lighter than the 460 S&W and the ergonomics may not suit you as well. There are many factors involved. If one measures the recoil of a 500 S&W four inch (one inch being the shroud), and uses the same load in an 8 3/8 inch barrel. The longer heavier gun could be the one that recoils more. The reason is that although the shorter 4 inch 500 weighs 3.5 pounds and the heavier 8 3/8 inch 500 weighs 4.5 pounds, it however shoots so substantially faster that this entering into the equation shows that the heavier gun doesn't necessarily mitigate the recoil because of the additional recoil generated by the higher speed produced by its longer barrel. In general one loses around 300 feet per second in the shorter barrel. These 300 additional feet of speed in the longer barrel are quite sufficient to negate any recoil taming advantages the heavier gun may offer. The recoil action being different in a shorter barrel than in a longer barrel, those differences may not be felt at times unless they are measured.
The Casull is a high performance round approaching the maximum speeds obtained in the 460 S&W. There is very little difference with some loads, more with others. Depending on what you shot, the speed difference may have been minimal in which case the lighter Ruger will definitely recoil more. Lastly, the 460 S&W has a muzzle brake, this alone makes quite a difference.
But but but... The 10mm is better than 44 mag. 😭
Get so sick of hearing fan boys compare 10mm to 44 mag. There is a night and day difference between the 2. It has been proven over and over and over again.
That being said. Loved the videos! Finally found a channel that has a clue to what they are talking about. You earned my subscription. Thanks!
As a Redhawk 44 magnum owner since 1984 I can attest to it's power and accuracy. I don't handload hot loads, but know the revolver can handle it. I'm a wheelgun man unless it is a High Standard 22. I doubt I'd want a jammed pistol when a cougar or bear wants to have issues with me. Love the testing on this one. I can only hope it was not beef bologna, but you could still have a sandwich after the 10mm...As my old Dad said "steak with a hole in it is better than no steak at all"
Thanks! I think it was beef bologna, bit I never know. I usually quickly throw 4-6 bologna packs in my shopping cart on my weekly trip, just whatever I find.
Hey, even High Standard 22’s are fun. 😃 I have a PINK High Standard Sentinel that I inherited from my mother.
i am against double action revolvers, i had a ruger gp100 .357 jam up on me and the cylinder was locked for several minutes, while target shooting. i have never had that kind of issue with my semi-autos.
@@maxtheroofer8004 The only issue I have ever had on a revolver was primers not seated deep enough on hand loads so the cylinder wouldn't turn. I have only shot my 44 on double action a couple times. Each shot raised my impact point a couple feet.
@@maxtheroofer8004 no gun is a sure thing. I once bought a Python from a guy who carried it on duty, then had it hang up - had to stone a small burr where the hand turns the cylinder. That said, I’ve carried a 1911 40+ years but have seen a lot more jams with autos than revolvers. Learning to handload in the mid 1970’s with an auto was educational.🙄
I used to live in Alaska,Nobody and I mean nobody I know,would never think of carrying a 10mm.I carried a Ruger(Redhawk)4-inch barrel with Hand Loaded(300-grain)45-Colt.Also have a Super Alaskan Redhawk two and a half inch in 454-Casull .
44 mag is a bad cat 🐈 it is still hard to beat for it's size after all these decades this newer ammo just makes it better. Thank you Elmer Keith not bad for a turn of the century cowboy 🤠.
I've shot .44 out of a 6 and 3\8 barrel (and loved it). I don't believe I would even attempt out of a 4 inch and definitely not that particular load of ammo. Thanks for takin one for the team Sam!
I have a model 329PD with a 4.25 inch barrel that has been quad ported by Mag-Na-Port and use an X-frame revolver rubber grip on mine. Makes it better to shoot…with ear protection.
I always take a small wooden dowel that will fit in the chambers to help knock out stuck cases. That will keep you from possibly damaging the extractor lips or rod. Nice video!
When shooting the .44 Mag, Dangerous Game seems to include King Kong.
Normally I also would not shoot a sasquatch from fear of causing an itch and making mad, but this might give him a red welt enough to make him go away. The crypto animals are always the hardest to get the right load for, unlike mortal animals.
@@GunSam Crypto animals? Tried bribing one with crypto currency to go away? 🤔🤣
@@somebloke13 give them a DOGGE coin and then run!
@@GunSam when I go big foot hunting, I take my lever action 357 magnum. Barely enough, but enough.
I hope you are are kidding and know there is a word called "cryptozoology" which is the definition of undiscovered or believed to exist (by a few) mythical beasts.
In the 70's when I was a teenager I had one of the old Taurus 38 specials and I shot hot Super Vel ammo in it. I had to beat the cases out with a hammer and screw driver. I am surprised I that I didn't blow that gun up.
Bear: "Do you see the recoil knock that man over?!? I'm out of here!!!"
Just goes to show how important it is to be intimate/comfortable with your firearms... New sub...Respect 👊
Just watched another channel doing "Bear gun" review. It was sloppy, he didn't appologise for "being the worst shot of the major gun channels (!)" and there was nothing to demonstrate the power of the cartridge/pistol combinations. He aptly demonstrated YOUR professionalism in stark contrast. Sorry to hear about your physical challenges and thank you for pushing past them to deliver this outstanding video. I carry a "bear gun" in the face of real potential threats and have a personal stake in having the most capable ammo in my Ruger .44.
Thanks again.
DOUGout
Fun video, I'm glad I found your channel a few months back. I like the no-fluff stuff you present, and don't over edit your videos.
Thanks!
44 mag is not the most powerful handgun in the world anymore, but it is still a king.
Long live the king.
I like the 44 mag! It has its class and purpose. Wonderful round or I wouldnt own the gun. That lil model 69 is so light its a handful. The 69 I think was catered for ccw. Even still I think my next one will be a 629 with a 3 inch barrel. The extra weight might tame recoil a little? My favorite is my Super Blackhawk with 7 1/2 inch barrel quite a bit of custom work on it. Sweetest trigger I ever felt on a Ruger!
Harry Callahan would be thrilled with you!!!!!!! The 44 magnum has always been in a class by itself!!!!!!!! I love the 10mm and carry one for self-defense!!!!! Outstanding test, extremely realistic!!!!!
Holy cow, I've Been waiting for this!
I been dreading filming this lol!
Another awesome video. You looked like you were having a good time with those to calibers. I really wish I was in a position to get you a kkm barrel so you could at least enjoy your 10mm. Lone wolf really should be embarrassed to put out that barrel. Thanks again and as always you make learning fun
Wow. Great video. Best vids on the internet. We appreciate what you do
Thanks!
Get a small diameter wooden dowel rod to tap the cases out of the cylinder from the front. Works wonders and very simple.
“Don’t use this for home defense.” Awesome .44 Magnum! 👍👍👍👍
Sam left out the part, "unless they're zombies!"
@@davidcunningham6856 you can kill the zombie in front of you, the one behind it, the next 2 behind that one in 1 shot.
By dont you mean do??? Lol
44-Special-180 to 260 grain rounds.
@@danielaramburo7648 and the one in your neighbor's house with the same shot
That Magnum is a MONSTER.
I really love my S&W 629. Pachmeyr grips make it really comfortable to shoot. One day at the range I saw a guy shooting some heavy Buffalo Bore 300gr? .44 Mag and I thought two things: Wow its nice to know my gun should be able to handle that...and I'd never run anything like through my gun! The .44 Mag is very capable!
I'm a proud 10mm fanboy. Own several. My two favorites are my Fusion Firearms Freedom 1911, M&P 2.0, and my overall favorite is my Witness Match 10mm.
I will take 15 rounds of 10mm over 5 or 6 44 mag any day.
With that said, I love my 357's, 44's, and especially my two 41 Rem Mags.
I'm looking at 10mm right now. From what I can see reliability with actual full power loads just doesn't exist, especially with the M&P 2.0. What has been your experience?
@@37gdog reliability for me has been 100% as long as you have an unmodified Glock. Add in a shitty lone wolf barrel and the damn thing jammed with lower powered rounds and double tap 180gr HP but even with that shit lone wolf barrel, it wouldn’t jam with the 230 gr cast lead. I now use 220 gr buffalo bores and use the Glock barrel with no issues. Just make sure to clean a lot more than usual to reduce buildup in the barrel.
I’ve never had a jam in the two 10mm glocks I’ve owned and have shot many, many rounds through them with the factory barrel.
The Buffalo Bore 44 magnum 265 grain Lehigh solid copper bullet at over 1300 fps is for DEEP and straight penetration on the largest dangerous game. You should have that model 69 Mag-na-port treated and keep a wooden dowel rod to tap the brass out. My model 329PD is ported and I use the 500 S&W magnum sorbethane padded grip too.
Use a wooden dowel rod. Some guy had a 475 Linebaugh and used a Philips head screwdriver to push the bullets that would creep forward with recoil and tie up the cylinder back into the case to free up rotation again.
So good confirmation for my bowhunting sidearm, chose the Glock 29 with a hard cast 220 round. Gives me up to 15 rounds to stop, slow down or generally piss off a big grizzly. Thanks for the demo.
I'm using the G20 for the same thing. Makes me feel a little better while out with my bow
The thing about a 12ga and a .44mag, is that they have their own unique version of recoil. Both hit hard, and their effect on your body is similar, but the damage they both do to a target/animal/2-legged animal, is just crazy! I wish you could borrow my Rock Island Ultra FS HC. 16+1 of 10mm, out of an all steel 1911 with a 5” barrel! You would love it! Great video as always, and go give that poor 629 some TLC 😁👍🏽
Thanks. I still remember when I took my alloy frame 18" Mossberg and shot a 3" magnum 12 gauge slug though it. I was amazed. I then did the recoil math, and I know it wasn't off. The 9mm pistol I had was like 5 lbs recoil energy, the 30-30 rifle 14 lbs. That 12 gauge slug in my gun was like 34 lbs recoil energy into my shoulder.
Thanks for volunteering for such abuse, Sam! 👍🏼
Love my model 69 4". Carry it with buffalo bore 300gr hard casts in it everytime I take the family camping or to the zoo.
I'll have to look into getting those x frame grips to put on mine as well.
I love my 10mm. It's powerful enough to kill anything, plus you can buy ammo that won't overpenetrate. I love my 500 S&W but hate shooting it. I'm usually accurate for about 3 shots, then the flinch takes over about the time I my palm is red and I have a busted blood vessel in my trigger finger. If in the situation of having a charging grizzly I'd like to say that I would be happier with the 500 because I'm thinking that I wouldn't worry about recoil if I were about to die....but at the same time I wouldn't feel under powered with 15, and 1 in the pipe, hot 10mm rounds. It's a scenario that is likely to never happen but I think I'll carry the 500 mag in bear country with my 10mm in a holster for backup. Haha
Had a 44 SW Model 29, all original wood grips, in wooden box. A real beauty. I'm 6'6", 260, monster hands, hated shooting that gun. Trigger guard would hit my middle finger. No matter what I did.
I think for those stout 44mag loads, a long barrel SAA would be more preferable for common use. That or a 6" N frame.
Looking at these bullets maybe I will get a box to hand load in my 445 Super Mag. I've loaded Hornady XTP 300gr HP and, if I remember right, were running over 1,400 fps from a Dan Wesson with 8" barrel. It's been so long I'd have to chronograph again to be sure.
When I saw 2 packs of bologna I had to stop the video to like and comment.
Really like watching your videos. Especially liked this one about the 44. Awesome cartridge. I’ve had several 44s in the past, both handguns and rifles. My favorite caliber. I use a single action 44 rite now with 71/2 inch barrel. I’ve not tried the ammo you used, but do a lot of reloading. I use the Keith style hardcast semi wadcutter behind his favorite 22 grains of 2400 powder. That load has always performed well out of all the guns I’ve used it in, especially in an older TC super 14 contender. Pure poison on deer. I hope your health gets better, and you make more videos on the great 44.
I've shot 44 mag buffalo bore 340 gr hard cast, nice to see the power from the dangerous game ammo. It would be interesting to see how the BB 340 hard cast would compare. Great video
Thank you.
Yeah it would have been interesting to compare the HARDNESS of both. Shooting them through something other than gel.
Or better yet, have a lab perform a hardness test on both. Math never lies.
Hey it’s all about learning. That’s some hot ammo. Thanks for the video. 👍
I’ll take the the .44mag for dangerous game all day long over the 10mm
Those .44s have an astounding amount of power , you probably don't "need a bigger boat " there perfect self defence rounds for Polar Bear or Godzilla . I can honestly say they certainly knocked you about a bit & I think it's the first time I've seen You flinch , and that's "Really Saying Something " Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .
Hi Sam, I wonder why BB hasn’t made a mono metal 357? What’s your guess?
A revolver does not have feeding issues! Thats reason one of why I exhanged my Springfield Armory P9 for a S&W 686 .357 6".
The second reason: I was shooting wonderful groups with the P9 3" at 50 meters but the P9 had me crawling around on all fours hunting the brass, the gun threw them 5 - 10 meters away.
With my 686 I get the brass right in my hand.
Thanks for the video. One has concerns and it's good to see real world shooting. It has helped me make a decision.
Great video. Glad to finally see someone use the same brand ammo to compare. Great job
Your tests are so accurate cause your one of the few people who add something to represent bone.
Another good video. That .44 Mag is something else! Take care.
Thanks!
Great video and I am a 44 Mag fan.
Great video, soo, wondering why Buffalo Bore clearly states on their website to only shoot these rounds through specific handgun models, mainly Ruger. Which they specifically state, NOT to shoot from any S&W. Thoughts? I have your S&W Combat 69
Not for this load he is testing. Buffalo Bore claims this is round is safe for any .44 mag.
Good, honest video, thanks for sharing.
That 44 round is crazy. I am so glad I ordered those grips. And god bless 44 special for existing 😅
I think I found some of your 44 mag baloney in my yard here in Texas.
After doing some load development seeking similar power levels in my 44 mag.... I bought a 480 Ruger. 370gr starting loads are 1500 ft lbs out of my 7.5 SRH and the spent brass falls right out, which is a valid point to consider when you're in bear country and need to reload without hammering the eject rod. It's not unpleasant to shoot and sometimes you just need a bigger hammer for the job.
One of the reasons that handguns like the 44 mag are hard to shoot accurately is you feel like you have to put a death grip on it to keep the thing from burying itself in your forehead. If you can get past that and relax a little you'll discover that you don't have to grip one as hard as you think. But there's no denying that it takes a lot of practice to become proficient with a heavy recoiling handgun. I think that's why the 10 mm has become so popular for bear defense. Misses with a 44 mag don't count for anything. I respect the fact that you didn't edit out the times you missed with the 44. You obviously shoot a lot and that just goes to show how difficult it is to shoot well. I've owned a 4" Smith and Wesson 629 for years. It used to be quite painful to shoot. Then when I turned about 45 years old it just stopped hurting for some reason. I thought the ammo I was buying must have been loaded light but I started handloading and bought a chronograph and discovered that it wasn't the ammo that had changed. I guess I just got accustomed to it. So I bought a ruger Alaskan 454 casull. That handgun will make me develop a flinch if I'm not careful. Keep up the good videos. I enjoy watching them. Liked and subscribed.
Happy to say that you inspired me with that steel target. I just invested in some AR500 steel spinning targets for my local outdoor range. Can't wait to make it out there & give em' a shoot! Thanks for the great videos Sam.
Have fun
That .44 ammo would defenatly work for hunting and defense against large bears. I would like to know if you had other signs of over pressure given the very sticky extraction you experienced. The 10mm would do well for hunting. That was a great video and 28 ftlbs recoil is a lot. A heavier revolver would help some with recoil.
I use the 44 magnum for concealed carry, open carry and home defense. I live on a farm and my closest neighbor is about 1.5 miles away. I used to carry concealed the Glock-19 until both of my daughters took mine for their own self defense and CCW.
I still use this .44 for home defense, but the light magnums I used are close to half the power of these. Same recoil as a .357 Mag.
The mono metal from Buffalo bore is brass and copper mix. On dangerous game loads
Impressive testing Sam. Would love to see more caliber comparison tests using Buffalo Bore ammo. I have found that Buffalo Bore usually makes the hottest factory ammo and is my go to defensive round for my 357 and my little 380.
I have tested a bunch. I still have unreleased Buffalo Bore tests and more to film.
Hey Sam I was sad to hear of your viability issues I know very well how it can mess with your head as well(I have ms pretty bad and it only gets worse) so I'm glad you have a hobby that keeps your mind busy and we all get to benefit from your hobby. I hope you are able to keep doing videos or at least keep shooting. That's my main outlets but the primer situation has really messed that up. Keep up the good fight and thanks for your cool videos. Thanks Sam
Very well said.
DOUGout
Viability? LoL I hope when I fall ill I'm still "viable" lol.
The wide, flat points transfer more energy and cause more damage than round nose bullets. If you don't believe me, try hammering a nail in backwards.
I have a Glock 41 Mos and had a jamming problem at the feed ramp with any kinds of ammo I bought. So what I did was Polish the feed ramp and no more problem. I later up grade to a wolf creek barrel (lone wolf) and had the same jamming so I polished the feed ramp on that barrel problem gone.
Just think what that 44 mag ammo will do in a 16 to 20" lever action!.
Reminds me that I want a Henry Big Boy lever action chambered in .44. Ok, ya got me. I would take that Henry in .357 or .45-70 too!
I have a JM stamped Marlin 1894 in 44 Magnum. I gotta get me some of these!
Buffalo Bore quotes then at 1,657 fps from an 18" Marlin. That's 1,616 ft-lb energy close up.
@@exothermal.sprocket Nice!
@@64samsky Looking into 454 Casull leverguns. Chatting with a guy that's running handloads from his Rossi Puma 454 20". He's achieving around 2900 ft-lb energy. Nuts.
A couple of things regarding the .44 mag. 1. I've heard the S&W .44 mag isn't really designed for these types of high powered rounds. I'd worry it might damage the cylinder with expansion. The Rugers can handle it and I'd argue the big Taurus M44SS, which has a massive cylinder. 2. I have the larger Taurus in .44 mag and don't have nearly the recoil issue with it. I'm not big, 5'8" stocky with average sized hands. I think it's that the big Taurus is heavy AND has a ported barrel. That really helps. If you can get a hold of one, try it out. NOT the Tracker - get the M44SS 4" ported barrel in 6 shot. It should comfortably do everything you ask if it and for a reasonable price point.
the old dirty harry s&w can't handle modern 44 magnum loads. The new s&w's can handle all bear loads except bb 340 gr +P+
This video made me smile...a lot. Also made me aware that I don't want to ever shoot Buffalo Bore Dangerous Game in 44 mag.
Sadist lol
Good laughs over the 44 mag, since I can relate to shooting a few heavy loads out of my lightweight 329. Absolutely brutal recoil, and probably never again. The failure to extract sure could be a major problem if by chance, however small, you have to reload.
Yeah a better speed loader at that point is a snubby .357
Excellent video. Apologize if this has been covered already. A wide meplat will do more damage than a round nose, due to it displacing tissue, and making a wider, more traumatic wound channel. Respect from Canada Sir
I hand load 180gr FMJ flat nose bullets for my 10mm that push 1450 ft/s out of my 6in barrel with no signs of over-pressure or accuracy problems. They still hit 1390-1400 out of the stock Glock 20 barrel.
I think Buffalo Bore downloaded those rounds for reduced recoil. I suppose the solid copper construction makes them longer for the weight, leaving less room for powder, but it still seems like they could have gotten more power out of them.
Amazing bologna carnage from the .44👍
Good Demo . .. high quality demonstration of the brutal power in 44 mag. hot. rounds. I wonder if the 10mm. double stack w/ 16 rounds can take a Brown bear... It can't break skull bones --- I would not Want to even be in Brown Bear Country with out a 12 Gauge Semi auto bull pup or pump with slugs. Need a Sidearm - I like the affordable Rock Island 10mm. 1911. all steel. But Might be better to have the 44 with a manageable load so you could get 4 shots off before breaking something in your hand . 45 colt w/ hot rounds could work for a back up to the 12 Guage. but in a crisis the double action is safer i think.
I have a very rare (for these days) S&W 460 Magnum with a 2” barrel & one with a 11” plus barrel. Hoot to shoot and a good amount of recoil. I own two 44’s and a 454 as well. The 454 while not as powerful as the 460’s, it’s a much more punishing recoil for some reason. It really just the way the 454 toklat is made that hurts. My 44 anaconda hurts to, but my 44 Blackhawk doesn’t really feel bad at all. The most fun to shoot is actually the 460’s due to how accurate they are
I felt the same thing for recoil when my friend and I shot his 8 3/8" S&W .460 Magnum. We were surprised at how .460 ammo was easy to shoot and .454 was that brutal recoil that you feel with 300 gr .44 Mag.
@@GunSam yes the 460 is a big recoil but different. That 454 puts all of its recoil straight back into your wrist. I don’t enjoy it. I had a super red hawk years ago and it wasn’t as bad as the toklat. The 460 puts the recoil up high like it’s going over your head but doesn’t hurt. I love shooting it except when I have to buy ammo. Both are pricey enough I guess
Yes, I had the gray colored super red hawk in 454 and it did feel way better than the toklat. I should have kept it. It was difficult to remove the hulls but it could have been because of cheap brass. I didn’t try enough other stuff to find out.
I have a 44 ultra light, the first six are fun. after that the fun runs out.
You need a wooden dowel rod to poke the cases out. Do not hammer the ejector rod as it can bend it out of true. You need to Mag-na-port for recoil mitigation in that Model 69. The X-frame grips help the recoil absorbing somewhat but porting is the real difference.
Hello there, I'm late to the party, but watching what 44 Mag did to your ballistics test brought joy to my heart.
I get a kick out of rocking cut tree stump backward.
I would think in the 629 or 29 the recoil would be a little tamer..... Who am I kidding....that stuff is way hot and you had better hit it with the first shot cuz you might not get another. On the 10mm, that would be a viable option out of a 1911 style or a G20 or 29. Great presentation...Thank you.
No comparison! Great video!
Thank you.
The 44 does anything that anyone could reasonably expect from a handgun caliber, for those that can handle it.
Yeah, great round/gun. I have shot .44 S&W Russian all the way up to hot magnums. A good 1,000 ft lb difference between loads. Anyone can find something that suits them in there.
Indeed, but also depending on the model of the revolver.
Good, revealing detail! Thank you. I carry both when bow hunting in bear country. My 329 weighs about 27 oz, so the recoil is magnified substantially. However, follow-ups are still possible when you are adrenalized by the possibility of becoming bear scat.
I was impressed how well the 44 mag did and very disappointed in the penetration of the 10mm. Kinda defeats the purpose of that 190gr round. I think the 10mm will do a lot better in the hard cast lead versions. In any case, dangerous game is less dangerous if you can hit fast, accurate and deep on demand. If a shooter cannot master the recoil then he needs a lighter load or heavier gun or both. The full size 10 mm shines in this environment. So does a full size 44 mag. So does even a mid size 41 mag.
I am impressed that your video does not just show the difference in penetration but you demonstrate the hardships of the big blasters and why they are not always the best choice in the field. Though I'll be the first guy to praise the fella who has mastered the big blasters in a field environment... though they are very few.
Very few indeed
Great video, as always! 👋🏼
Thank you.
I tried that exact ammo in my Glock 20. It turned it into the "Jam-O-matic".
I have also tried that ammo in my Rock Island 1911 with no issues whatsoever.
Having used the 44 for over 40 years, I have had various rounds stick in the chambers. I just ordered out 2 boxes of those to try out.
These are hot rounds. I don’t blame you for having a hard time with the recoil. If you want to get a gun to handle it better, might I suggest a super red hawk, Blackhawk, or magnum research BFR. You can get these for a little more than $1000 but they will handle these loads much better and they offer the 7.5” barrel which really helps too.
Great test i would love to see hot 9mm, 357mag and even 44 mag JHP against these meat/gel target.
Thanks. I have some 240 gr .44 Mag and 158 gr .357 Mag both in semi jacketed hollow point. I am excited to test those in my gel blocks.
Wow! That was fun. I’d like to get that for my Winchester 94AE. Probably hits like a 20 gauge slug. Thanks for that video.
I bet it would be more powerful than that. 1,657 FPS/1,615 FPE is it's 18" rifle rating. Plus if it's a Foster slug, those things are like butter and break up fast, probably penetrating not even half as far as the mono metal.
You found it Sam!!!!! The .88 Magnum in a .44 Mag round. Very devastating round for sure. A black bear will definitely will feel that. Great round. 🎩☯️♠️
I bought a S&W 629 Classic .44 mag recently, with a 6.5" barrel its really fun to shoot. Seems a lot easier to handle than the shorter barrel in the S&W 69.
I see you are shooting isosceles stance and it has been incredibly popular for the last decade or so. My old gray head still far prefers modified Weaver as it allows more control in nearly every situation including heavy recoiling firearms. All it took was a couple of match shooters to win a few matches and everyone converted without ever considering that they had shot 100,000 rounds to make it work for them. Give the old push pull of the modified Weaver a try and watch those hard kickers settle right down for you.
Back is messed up, hence why I don't shoot Weaver or even carry on the hip. Seeing as this ammo is so ridiculous and double the recoil of normal magnum ammo, i'm fine with my stance.
@@GunSam Back pain is the worst. Mine goes out on me now and then and it seems like it is hooked to every bone in my body.
@@GunSam Ah! I was wondering why you were shooting from an unmodified isosceles with a hot-loaded big bore. Thought maybe you enjoyed falling down. 😆
Nice comparison. 🍎 Apples to 🍊 oranges. .44 magnum has twice the energy and in some cases three times the energy of 10 MM. 10mm is more on par with the venerable .357 magnum.
Well sir, if nothing else you demonstrated to me that I cannot handle that 44mag. Thank you.
This is not the best example of whether you can or cannot. This ammo has double the recoil of normal .44 Magnum ammo.
The only time I experienced that kind of sticky extraction was w/my 340PD and 125 grain magnum loads. Thirty-eight was no problem.
A thought about measurement when the bullet moved the block back. I think you would not push the block back to the original spot to measure. Instead, take the distance incorporating the block movement, and then add a couple of inches MORE. The bullet expended a great deal of energy in moving both of those blocks back, which did not translate into penetration because the blocks absorbed energy by moving backward. If the blocks had been solidly anchored, surely the bullet would have penetrated a bit farther.
Thank you for your review.
Good job
Thank you.
The 10mm is plenty, but no match for the .44 magnum. I have a 1st gen Glock 20, and a 6 inch Colt Anaconda. I’ve been contemplating getting the 4 in Taurus .44 mag.
FOOL or WISE
Remember: a handgun is very risky to use on "dangerous" animals like bears & hippos. Always have a powerful long gun for this kind of self-defense.
Only the foolish just use a handgun that is in itself a bad compromise.
No.1 bear defense is a *shotgun* filled with slugs.
That solid copper flat meplat bullet of 265 grains loaded over 1300 fps is a super penetrator!!!
I shot a few white tail deer with my Smith and wesson 44 magnum and 2 with my Smith and wesson 500 both calibers put them right down with no problem i only take neck shots love watching your videos
Another great video!! The 305 hardcast flat point from BuffaloBore in the 44mag are a beast!! Especially out of my 3 in barrel S&W!! You won't see me in Alaska with out my 44mag! The ten MM is better than a 45 but not for me. Excellent Honest video brother!!!!
The Best Millimeter was pretty good, but that Magnum was off the charts!!
I'm guessing your chart ends at 1k ft lbs lol
That is where I prefer the single round ejector my Ruger’s had. It’s just easier to push 1 instead of 6. Now a days, as an old man, my handgun hunting is with the 10mm as it’s enough for most game out to about 50-60 yds and it doesn’t kill my hand/arm.
That 10mm is impressive. That .44mag is scary. Even with how hard it is to find magnum rounds these days I might not get excited to see that, because my .44mag is an Air Lite M329PD S&W, so rounds with that much spice are gonna kick like a horse...
I ordered the classic Federal 240 gr SJHP directly from them. They look really cool, got them delivered yesterday. Those are the loads I get excited about, not non expanding bear rounds, as here in Michigan the biggest animal threat is a black bear, which are rare but also they can be defeated by an old lady swinging a broom saying "go away bear!". They see that sht and are like, nope, I don't want none of that.
@@GunSam Here in Oregon the bears are big enough along the coast to toss fully loaded industrial garbage bins around like the are woka-cola cans. Hahaha, scary bear, scary gun, scary ammo. 🤣🤣🤣 Fun times, but am on a fun diet. Can't wait to see the video feature your new ammo.
@@crusiethmaximuss I seen some of those videos of those bears, like Holy Fecal Matter. Love the Woka-Cola reference. Will start using that if I am forced to have a Woka-Cola at a restaurant.
I'd not be comfortable with these kind of rounds in the alloy frame of the 329pd or it's titanium cylinder,,,,unlike stainless or carbon steel that titanium just doesn't have the toughness,,,I offed the 329 I had because I also have the little brother to it the model 340pd (357 magnum) and have twice over had flame cutting issues with the cylinder, I gave up and it now uses a stainless cylinder from a lady smith model 60 357 and no more titanium cylinder flame cutting issues,,,so I'd stay away from these in that gun because the flame from them is tons worse than the 357 not to mention the pressures,,,I tend to look at both the model 69's and the 329pd as 44 special guns that have 44mag capabilties if you absolutely have to or need to because they are both abussive to shoot such rounds in and are pushing them right to the limits of what they can handle and even at that you're running into the accelerated wear zone when pushing them that far,,,their strong enough guns but everything has it's limits as they say.
I've never understood buying a gun that you can't shoot full loads in. I understand they carry nice but in that 1 in million chance you needs full 44mag performance and you have 44 special loads seems kind of back ward thinking. The 329 is a really cool gun but it will lay a hurt on ya and I shoot a 475 Linebaugh