The fact that Disney paid billions of dollars for one of the most lucrative money printing franchises in history then promptly told the audience to f*** off will forever confuse and bewilder me.
I don't think so. I was thinking maybe if Star Wars went away for a decade, with maybe a few kids shows for the younger crowd, and then bringing it back like how the prequels happened after that big gap of time after the OT, but I honestly think too many bridges have been burnt. George Lucas is too old, Harrison Ford is too old, Mark Hamill keeps pissing people off, and Carrie Fisher is dead. And all the uncanny valley cgi in the world can not bring an actor back to life, it's just weird and gross.
@driftless7134 so, they just invent a contrivance. The franchise is a contrivance. Reboots are a contrivance. Resets are a contrivance. Call it something and just do it. "We have immagineered the next stage of Disney. We call it a weave. It's not exactly a reboot. We're going to remake the first Star wars scene for scene with younger actors and then we're going to add a slight twist so that Empire and Return of the Jedi will play out a little differently."
I've heard Skeleton Crew is not bad, but I can't bring myself to watch it knowing the Star Wars universe has been destroyed by the Disney sequel movies. I might be tempted to complain about some of the series too, but for the most part (Obi-Wan Kenobi being a notable exception) you can ignore those. Everything done in the sequel moves destroys the world building to the point it's not really repairable.
I'm waiting for the last episode of Andor, and then the world is complete for me. Favreau needs to get out from under the mouse, and go on to realize the greatness that he's truly capable of.
Star Trek just pulled another Picard S3 with Lower Decks by having its final season decanonize Star Trek: Discovery. So that franchise is slowly changing its ways. Star Wars needs its own Deadpool equivalent self awareness project as well.
I've navigated to the Me TV-owned Heroes & Icons channel, watching selected episodes from the five "Star Trek" series, from "Star Trek" to "Star Trek" Enterprise." I find these old productions look like Shakespearean productions, compared to the current Paramount primary-school-skit level "star trek."
i believe, sadly, that Star Wars is literally on the trajectory that Mickey Mouse and friends took ... irrelevant and/or cringe to the new generations once they've rinsed Star Wars babies like they rinsed with Muppet Babies
All they need to do is announce a Rey retcon and grandmaster Luke trilogy based on EU, and we will all run to theaters like suckers that we are. This is not a dig at you. Don’t take it wrong.
I think the leadership is in a terrible echo chamber. The Last Jedi, Acolyte, Obi-wan broke my trust. And I used to spend thousands on merchandise and games. I just sold a lot of my Star Wars stuff on E-bay for $2,000. I was a super fan. Not anymore.
It probably can't be saved, I think the problem is that demand for new Star Wars was once high, but it just couldn't be met, and that is not just because of creative mistakes, but because any new product cannot be a thing in itself, it is always related to a wider mythology and must be consistent with that mythology, and that limits creators too much. Nobody can make George Lucas's Star Wars, not even George Lucas, but you can't expect Rian Johnson of JJ Abrahams to do it either.
The only way id ever consume a new starwars movie is it they openly admit they made a mistake and vow to attempt and recreate the universe and themes of the original movies
You can't break my denial! George Lucas went missing after in 1990 and The Last Crusade was the last thing ever produced using the characters he created!
You hit it for me on how I just don’t think it can. I thought Andor was really good. But it was a compliment to the OT saga. It adds depth to the OT but doesn’t take away or change it. But Disney/LF fumbled the ST SO BAD that it affects everything it touches. So They could make a kick ass movie, I could be sitting there watching and liking it but Luke, Leia and Han and Lando not being together again, Han/Leia not working out, Luke turning into what he did etc etc will all just be sitting there in my brain like dead weight and again affect everything that we watch. So like many what I need to do it delete the ST and many of the shows from my brain so it doesn’t bleed into the OT/ST and material that makes Star Wars what it was. “So don’t watch it!” Ok. I won’t.
At this point, I think Star Wars would literally see more success exploring alternate / previously non-cannon content than having Disney try to continue the legacy. I know it's a meme at this point, but they clearly just don't know what they're doing. Just give us a Starkiller series or something. Old Republic, PLEASE. But also, please let... anyone else produce it.
To quote "but they tell me if you love me let it die." I dont care what they do its dead. Ill give a movie a finsl chance id everything disney has done is decanonized (especially the Rey palpatine trilogy ) and fire everyone involved... oh an official apology for how fans have been treated.
It can if they, loudly, fire the creators of the bomb projects and tbose with clear political agenda intentions. In my opinion, a few thing Star Wars needs to do Follow the Lucas lore they wrote off (maybe get him back on board) Likeable characters with actors who wont piss off people online Lightsabers are deadly again GOOD VS EVIL
They will not do this because they want to save money in all the wrong places. They don't want to pay the rights holders for EU properties. They will pay actors ten times what they are worth though.
The damage is too great. The only thing to do now is to go dormant for at least 10 years. They could still publish some novels and more niche video games that are not AAA, but Star Wars needs to fade from mainstream consciousness for a time. Let them forget the bad parts and get nostalgic about good ones, then do a revival and do it right. Doctor Who was run to the ground and cancelled in late 80s. They tried to bring it back in mid-90s for American audience, but that failed. Then it was triumphantly revived in 2005. Of course it was eventually ruined again, but we got 10 or so years of great to decent show. One can argue Star Wars too had that kind of silent period. After RotJ there was only a couple of spinoff cartoons and those horrible Ewok movies. For us turbo-nerds the Expanded Universe brought it back, but for general audience it was the prequels, or special editions in 97 at the earliest.
What could be done to save or salvage Star Wars.... Disney, if you truly wish to turn round the diminishing returns, first do not extend Kathleen Kennedy's contract, enact measures to remove her, the creative/influence she surrounded herself with. Next, shelve the High Republic, it's linked with The Acolyte which has tainted everything following that show and the drama. All the while, hire people who honestly understand why for 30 years from its inception Star Wars dominated and where it failed under Disney. Cutback in the 'content', look at the merchandise and see what is still viable. People I believe see no digitally restored classic trilogy original treatment s so do some marketing to see if there is a need to be fulfilled. Beck, do something akin to The Blade runner collectors editions with The original and George Lucas' final tretment. The Star Wars fandom faith in the franchise caused fans since the 70s walk away, people such as myself who got annoyed with Kennedy /Headland rating upon the fan base during the pre-launch which triggered all the drama.
The problem with Disney Star Wars is that every project is held to the same stringent metrics set forth by KK, which limits actual creativity. Once a creator has full control to actually craft a compelling story devoid of agenda then perhaps Star Wars can be reborn, but the very first thing that needs to come out of it's directors mouth needs to be an acknowledgement that the previous efforts by Disney were absolute trash and we wish to course correct and hope the audience will give this new project a chance. More than making expensive nonsense, the trust of the audience is dead. Trust is the easiest thing in the world to get and the hardest thing to get back. They need to focus first and foremost on giving the audience what they want, and not what they think it wants. But that takes effort and creativity, so NO, Star Wars cannot be saved. Perhaps in ten years.
The question isn't 'Can Star Wars be saved?'. The question is 'How much worse can Star Wars get?'. Because every time i think it's hit rock bottom, the next thing comes along and crashes through to new lows. Remember when the Holiday Special was the worst Star Wars? I miss that.
Let me ask you a question: Why do you want Star Wars to be saved? Why does it deserve "saving" ? I understand it's easy to proclaim "it's obvious" and then list the many times you've enjoyed the franchise for what it used to be. Completely understandable, but we owe it to ourselves to be honest and acknowledge when a franchise has reached its natural end of its potential lifespan. Star Wars has done just that, arguably before Disney overtook the franchise. This isn't to say it can no longer be profitable. Profitiability in general is an indicator of an IP's worth, but it's not absolute. For one, the weight of nostalgia can inflate an IP's value far beyond what the ideas within would be worth without the IP backing it up. Harry Potter, ANY disney live action remake, Simpsons, Jurassic Park, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Godzilla and so many more are perfect examples of this and yes, so too is Star Wars. Furthermore, people will often point to the "Legends" expanded universe material, but the material within is so warped beyond what Star Wars is that I can't help but think it is to put all of your eggs in one basket. There is so much untapped potential for creativity out there and to believe it all needs to be in a singular fictional universe is kind of a depressing thought. In fact, the original movies proves that less is more within this topic. Once you let go of the idea that Star Wars has to exist in some better, more ideal version than what it currently does, it all becomes a whole lot clearer. We can do better than just be consumers of products and 'content' and the most beautiful thing about that is that new things can arise from the ashes of franchises such as Star Wars. Sincerely, a fan of the franchise since my childhood.
I would keep only the original trilogy but it would make more sense to keep the prequels too. Then make a brand new sequel trilogy that takes place much sooner after ROTJ. The roles would have to be recast but that's the cost of having a live action film franchise.
It’s a bummer. I loved Star Wars. Even TFA had some magic moments and could’ve been redeemed by a great following film but TLJ is where it all went wrong. There have been some brighter spots like Mando 1, Rogue One, maybe Andor but after the let downs of TLJ, ROS, mando 3, and obi wan I’ve not been bothered to watch anymore. Can’t believe it to be honest. The writers are hacks, and Spielberg’s associate, Kennedy has shown she cannot lead Lucasfilm or run the franchise apart from into the ground. Filoni has good ideas but terrible execution and is in bed with KK. Fave tray has potential but isn’t given much freedom. SW has become a vehicle for the Disney agenda and as long as the idiots at Disney own it, there’s no hope.
I know i said this many time before but there is one way to save star wars ( if only ) sale it to another company , keep the 6 movie and decanonize all disney contents
No. Star Wars lore is broken beyond repair. The only chance at all would be to decanonize all Disney projects and restart fresh (which would be hard anyway, as Mark Hamill went crazy, Carrie is dead and Harrison Ford would not come back). But even then: the damage is already done, there is no way back. Even half decent shows get any viewership anymore, myself included. I just don't care any longer. So let's keep the good memories and learn to let go.
I don't think so. Not while KK is around. Anything that becomes a breakout success in Star Wars, KK will demand it tie back into the sequel trilogy and then it just dies. She is dead set on making the sequel trilogy work and Rey a household name even if she has to burn everything else that is good with it.
any Star Wars with George Lucas involved is good. Disney SW is hit or most likely Miss. Miss Kennedy that is, the woman responsible for all our angst. When She goes, can you imagine the celebration? Yub Yub!
I think it could be saved, but it would take probably at least 3-4 good (and unwoke) movies or tv series to get the trust back from the real fans. Like they say, trust is fragile.
Skeleton Crew failing is proof that Star Wars is cooked. It might be the best piece of Disney Star Wars. And I’m including Rogue One, you’re just letting “the scene” skew your perspective
Comparing the relative success of two Disney productions units, I wonder if Rat City would be better off firing ALL of the LucasFilm commune and replacing those expensive money burners with the TV producers. Disney TV seems to have a (somewhat) better record of success than the Dumpster Fire factory that is today's LucasFilm. The Walt Disney company could save a ton of money by not having to pander to the "vile den of Scum and Villainy," and could make a bit of money at the box office. But, "'Tis but a dream," eh?;)
I mean, unless the next war is fought with xwing fighter drones they just lightspeed into the bad guy's ships, the characters are gonna look pretty dumb. Then again, it might fit.
I gave up on STAR WARS a long time ago. FORCE AWAKENS Audiences were not waiting for this. ROGUE ONE Even a broken clock is right twice a day. LAST JEDI Pretty much were Mark's reputation is now after the election. RISE OF SKYWALKER What was that? WILLOW Seriously?! MANDO Dead now. OBI WAN series This was a sure thing, and you ruined it. SOLO Well, at least it wasn't the sequel trilogy. BOOK OF BF Well, at least it wasn't the sequel trilogy. GALAXY SC HOTEL Iceberg dead ahead. ANDOR The water is pouring in. But we'll revamp the menu! INDY 5 No time to rearrange deck chairs. Ship breaks in half! AHSOKA Brother can you spare a lifejacket? ACOLYTE Ship gone. Passengers dead. SKELETON CREW I seriously doubt anyone cares at this point. ,
CAN it be saved? Yes, theoretically. WILL it be saved? Not a chance in goddamn hell. I see only one way for Star Wars to actually be saved, and it's simply never going to happen. Two things - first, they'd have to wait a long time and let the franchise rest, while giving the entirety of the fanbase time to napalm the bad taste out of their mouths and memories by having no TV series or films. Second, they'd have to adapt Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, and it would have to be a HARDCORE purist adaptation of the source material. I'm not talking them merely swinging the pendulum back, I'm taking Shohei Otani ramming his fist into the grandfather clock and laser beaming the pendulum in the other direction. No agendas, no race swaps, no girl bossing, no questions asked, a near-perfect adaptation of KOTOR. Disney will never do this. The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging you have a problem, and Disney will never outright admit they've run the IP into the ground and torched all fan goodwill to ash. Adapting KOTOR properly would require serious levels of planning and execution, and Disney has shown a complete inability to do either properly.
Star Wars is broken and that hurts. Skeleton Crew is great, I hope others discover it. According to Mike Zeroh Kathleen Kennedy’s firing is imminent!! So we got that goin for us.
A few years ago KK "Bob and I had a long conversation about my continued employment, and we decided to part ways. That's why we got the old bob back." Now Iger "We're thinking about firing Kennedy, but we have to wait until it's the right time. She has had nothing but failures." The future Robot Mouse (A subsidiary of Applezon) "It is finally time to fire her. Get her out of that office. After all, she's been dead for over a century."
Even though i thought the EU back then was a little stupid. It definitely is better than the recent garbage they put out. Star wars could be saved if they go back to the eu or the orginal storylines and even if they make new characters, quit relying on cameos and nostalgia to carry the story or movie.
Star Wars is effectively a worthless brand at this point. They can maybe make money off lightsabers, Darth Vader, and Luke Skywalker, but nothing else "Star Wars" related has any value. Disney has over-saturated and cheapened the IP so much, and driven so many customers away, it's a wonder they are still pumping BILLIONS of dollars into producing content, with practically no way of recouping those expenses.
Get good writers Focus on issues people had with sequels not just what you think the problem is or dismissing the criticisms Focus on something more small scale to really endear these characters to the audience I would actually try to do something with Kylo over Rey but even she can be saved if she is made to actually face problems It can be done but will need a lot of work
You are right and that's part of what sucks. Brand damage is a thing and it can be measured. The issue with Skeleton Crew is not the quality. It's the viewership in relation to the budget and revenue per viewer. It had a budget of 136M, but Star Wars hasn't been doing well in terms of budget and Disney can't be assumed to have the child demographic. Each user earns them 6.95 which is abysmal compared to pretty much every other streaming service, but is better than Disney+ has ever done before. In order to break even at 6.95 they need a viewership a bit over 19M. They should have known this wasn't going to happen and budgeted accordingly.
The fact that Disney paid billions of dollars for one of the most lucrative money printing franchises in history then promptly told the audience to f*** off will forever confuse and bewilder me.
They did it out of malice. It isn't about the money.
You’ll get answers by genuinely studying Marxism. It’s much deeper than the surface level explanation.
The only way our beloved franchise could ever be saved if it's taken from Disney entirely
And given to whom?
Star Wars is lost. Disney created the greatest liability: APATHY.
Apathy is death!
I want to see a story about a Jedi in hiding that takes up the life of a barber. Using his lightsaber to give people a trim.
I see John Belushi as "Samurai Tailor," here.;) Or, "Hawk and Chick," the traveling barber and daughter movie series of "Bob's Burgers."
I don't think so. I was thinking maybe if Star Wars went away for a decade, with maybe a few kids shows for the younger crowd, and then bringing it back like how the prequels happened after that big gap of time after the OT, but I honestly think too many bridges have been burnt.
George Lucas is too old, Harrison Ford is too old, Mark Hamill keeps pissing people off, and Carrie Fisher is dead. And all the uncanny valley cgi in the world can not bring an actor back to life, it's just weird and gross.
@@CinnamonGrrlErin1 This is exactly what needs done.
They can't take a break at this point because after what's happened, no one would care in 10 years.
@driftless7134 so, they just invent a contrivance. The franchise is a contrivance. Reboots are a contrivance. Resets are a contrivance.
Call it something and just do it. "We have immagineered the next stage of Disney. We call it a weave. It's not exactly a reboot. We're going to remake the first Star wars scene for scene with younger actors and then we're going to add a slight twist so that Empire and Return of the Jedi will play out a little differently."
Its done, but noone can take away the OG trilogy
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I've heard Skeleton Crew is not bad, but I can't bring myself to watch it knowing the Star Wars universe has been destroyed by the Disney sequel movies. I might be tempted to complain about some of the series too, but for the most part (Obi-Wan Kenobi being a notable exception) you can ignore those. Everything done in the sequel moves destroys the world building to the point it's not really repairable.
"Star Wars: Skeleton Crew": Pas Mal...
I thought you were going to cut obi wan "it's as if a million voices cried out" then jump to Michael Scott "no" clip.
@@mindlessmeat4055 I should have haha
Disney saving Star Wars with it's current staff...your funny😂😂😂
This is a good video. Thank you for making it and posting it.
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Sloppy joes, made from ewok meat and something that looks like a tomato (ignoring the florescent pink color) but is called Wookie Berries.
So good - that made me very hungry
Rational, measured and sober take on the situation Bone, unfortunately Disney doesn't know what those words mean 🤷
Happy New Year buddy!
Happy New Year!
I'm waiting for the last episode of Andor, and then the world is complete for me.
Favreau needs to get out from under the mouse, and go on to realize the greatness that he's truly capable of.
Star Trek just pulled another Picard S3 with Lower Decks by having its final season decanonize Star Trek: Discovery. So that franchise is slowly changing its ways. Star Wars needs its own Deadpool equivalent self awareness project as well.
How? I cant watch and never would give discovery a minute of time again.
I've navigated to the Me TV-owned Heroes & Icons channel, watching selected episodes from the five "Star Trek" series, from "Star Trek" to "Star Trek" Enterprise." I find these old productions look like Shakespearean productions, compared to the current Paramount primary-school-skit level "star trek."
i believe, sadly, that Star Wars is literally on the trajectory that Mickey Mouse and friends took ... irrelevant and/or cringe to the new generations once they've rinsed Star Wars babies like they rinsed with Muppet Babies
Star Wars ended with episode 6 idk what all this Disney s* is…
Star Wars might still have enough life to survive, but every day that the Disney name is attached to it the chances of survival get worse and worse.
Snoke and Marrok were both interesting and could’ve been great villains but both were instead discarded as nothing.
Why bother to save Star Wars? Disney taught us that we didn't Star Wars anymore and most of us have moved on!
All they need to do is announce a Rey retcon and grandmaster Luke trilogy based on EU, and we will all run to theaters like suckers that we are.
This is not a dig at you. Don’t take it wrong.
Very true
Not even a tiny little bit
I think the leadership is in a terrible echo chamber. The Last Jedi, Acolyte, Obi-wan broke my trust. And I used to spend thousands on merchandise and games. I just sold a lot of my Star Wars stuff on E-bay for $2,000. I was a super fan. Not anymore.
It probably can't be saved, I think the problem is that demand for new Star Wars was once high, but it just couldn't be met, and that is not just because of creative mistakes, but because any new product cannot be a thing in itself, it is always related to a wider mythology and must be consistent with that mythology, and that limits creators too much. Nobody can make George Lucas's Star Wars, not even George Lucas, but you can't expect Rian Johnson of JJ Abrahams to do it either.
The only way id ever consume a new starwars movie is it they openly admit they made a mistake and vow to attempt and recreate the universe and themes of the original movies
Shaka, when the walls fell
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You can't break my denial! George Lucas went missing after in 1990 and The Last Crusade was the last thing ever produced using the characters he created!
You hit it for me on how I just don’t think it can. I thought Andor was really good. But it was a compliment to the OT saga. It adds depth to the OT but doesn’t take away or change it. But Disney/LF fumbled the ST SO BAD that it affects everything it touches. So They could make a kick ass movie, I could be sitting there watching and liking it but Luke, Leia and Han and Lando not being together again, Han/Leia not working out, Luke turning into what he did etc etc will all just be sitting there in my brain like dead weight and again affect everything that we watch. So like many what I need to do it delete the ST and many of the shows from my brain so it doesn’t bleed into the OT/ST and material that makes Star Wars what it was. “So don’t watch it!” Ok. I won’t.
At this point, I think Star Wars would literally see more success exploring alternate / previously non-cannon content than having Disney try to continue the legacy. I know it's a meme at this point, but they clearly just don't know what they're doing.
Just give us a Starkiller series or something. Old Republic, PLEASE. But also, please let... anyone else produce it.
Your right these creators at Disney will never create good Star Wars they destroyed it in record time.
Oooooooo I don’t know….. Maybe, hopefully…
No.
An Old Republic series would be incredible if done right
To quote "but they tell me if you love me let it die." I dont care what they do its dead. Ill give a movie a finsl chance id everything disney has done is decanonized (especially the Rey palpatine trilogy ) and fire everyone involved... oh an official apology for how fans have been treated.
The handling of Star Wars SHOULD truly be study in business school for decades.
“ HOW TO FUMBLE A BILLION DOLLAR MONEY MACHINE”
It can if they, loudly, fire the creators of the bomb projects and tbose with clear political agenda intentions.
In my opinion, a few thing Star Wars needs to do
Follow the Lucas lore they wrote off (maybe get him back on board)
Likeable characters with actors who wont piss off people online
Lightsabers are deadly again
GOOD VS EVIL
They will not do this because they want to save money in all the wrong places. They don't want to pay the rights holders for EU properties. They will pay actors ten times what they are worth though.
Probably not at this point.
Yes SW can be saved but not under Disney.
The damage is too great. The only thing to do now is to go dormant for at least 10 years. They could still publish some novels and more niche video games that are not AAA, but Star Wars needs to fade from mainstream consciousness for a time. Let them forget the bad parts and get nostalgic about good ones, then do a revival and do it right.
Doctor Who was run to the ground and cancelled in late 80s. They tried to bring it back in mid-90s for American audience, but that failed. Then it was triumphantly revived in 2005. Of course it was eventually ruined again, but we got 10 or so years of great to decent show. One can argue Star Wars too had that kind of silent period. After RotJ there was only a couple of spinoff cartoons and those horrible Ewok movies. For us turbo-nerds the Expanded Universe brought it back, but for general audience it was the prequels, or special editions in 97 at the earliest.
I've now NOT watched more Disney Star Wars then watched, and I used to live for Star Wars.
What could be done to save or salvage Star Wars....
Disney, if you truly wish to turn round the diminishing returns, first do not extend Kathleen Kennedy's contract, enact measures to remove her, the creative/influence she surrounded herself with.
Next, shelve the High Republic, it's linked with The Acolyte which has tainted everything following that show and the drama. All the while, hire people who honestly understand why for 30 years from its inception Star Wars dominated and where it failed under Disney.
Cutback in the 'content', look at the merchandise and see what is still viable. People I believe see no digitally restored classic trilogy original treatment s so do some marketing to see if there is a need to be fulfilled. Beck, do something akin to The Blade runner collectors editions with The original and George Lucas' final tretment.
The Star Wars fandom faith in the franchise caused fans since the 70s walk away, people such as myself who got annoyed with Kennedy /Headland rating upon the fan base during the pre-launch which triggered all the drama.
They'd have to be not Disney with solid writing by people who love the IP and appreciate the fans. So....nope.
The problem with Disney Star Wars is that every project is held to the same stringent metrics set forth by KK, which limits actual creativity. Once a creator has full control to actually craft a compelling story devoid of agenda then perhaps Star Wars can be reborn, but the very first thing that needs to come out of it's directors mouth needs to be an acknowledgement that the previous efforts by Disney were absolute trash and we wish to course correct and hope the audience will give this new project a chance. More than making expensive nonsense, the trust of the audience is dead. Trust is the easiest thing in the world to get and the hardest thing to get back. They need to focus first and foremost on giving the audience what they want, and not what they think it wants. But that takes effort and creativity, so NO, Star Wars cannot be saved. Perhaps in ten years.
The question isn't 'Can Star Wars be saved?'. The question is 'How much worse can Star Wars get?'. Because every time i think it's hit rock bottom, the next thing comes along and crashes through to new lows. Remember when the Holiday Special was the worst Star Wars? I miss that.
Haven't cared since Last Jedi. Bury it already,Disney killed Star Wars,all you'd do is create a zombie shadow version of it if you try to revive it.
Let me ask you a question: Why do you want Star Wars to be saved? Why does it deserve "saving" ? I understand it's easy to proclaim "it's obvious" and then list the many times you've enjoyed the franchise for what it used to be. Completely understandable, but we owe it to ourselves to be honest and acknowledge when a franchise has reached its natural end of its potential lifespan. Star Wars has done just that, arguably before Disney overtook the franchise. This isn't to say it can no longer be profitable. Profitiability in general is an indicator of an IP's worth, but it's not absolute. For one, the weight of nostalgia can inflate an IP's value far beyond what the ideas within would be worth without the IP backing it up. Harry Potter, ANY disney live action remake, Simpsons, Jurassic Park, Star Trek, Ghostbusters, Godzilla and so many more are perfect examples of this and yes, so too is Star Wars.
Furthermore, people will often point to the "Legends" expanded universe material, but the material within is so warped beyond what Star Wars is that I can't help but think it is to put all of your eggs in one basket. There is so much untapped potential for creativity out there and to believe it all needs to be in a singular fictional universe is kind of a depressing thought. In fact, the original movies proves that less is more within this topic.
Once you let go of the idea that Star Wars has to exist in some better, more ideal version than what it currently does, it all becomes a whole lot clearer.
We can do better than just be consumers of products and 'content' and the most beautiful thing about that is that new things can arise from the ashes of franchises such as Star Wars.
Sincerely, a fan of the franchise since my childhood.
They can do the Halloween treatment. Just pick a point and say, "these are the things that count. Everything else is out."
I would keep only the original trilogy but it would make more sense to keep the prequels too. Then make a brand new sequel trilogy that takes place much sooner after ROTJ. The roles would have to be recast but that's the cost of having a live action film franchise.
It’s a bummer. I loved Star Wars. Even TFA had some magic moments and could’ve been redeemed by a great following film but TLJ is where it all went wrong. There have been some brighter spots like Mando 1, Rogue One, maybe Andor but after the let downs of TLJ, ROS, mando 3, and obi wan I’ve not been bothered to watch anymore. Can’t believe it to be honest.
The writers are hacks, and Spielberg’s associate, Kennedy has shown she cannot lead Lucasfilm or run the franchise apart from into the ground. Filoni has good ideas but terrible execution and is in bed with KK. Fave tray has potential but isn’t given much freedom. SW has become a vehicle for the Disney agenda and as long as the idiots at Disney own it, there’s no hope.
We, the fans, are Rose on that door as the Titanic sinks... Disney is Jack. We will remember him fondly... 🤪
NO.
I know i said this many time before but there is one way to save star wars ( if only ) sale it to another company , keep the 6 movie and decanonize all disney contents
If you try, you gotta leave sadly insane Mark Hamill out of it
Lucasfilm needs to only hire individuals with proven quality resumes instead of randos with lacklustre writing backgrounds and nothing else.
No. Star Wars lore is broken beyond repair. The only chance at all would be to decanonize all Disney projects and restart fresh (which would be hard anyway, as Mark Hamill went crazy, Carrie is dead and Harrison Ford would not come back). But even then: the damage is already done, there is no way back. Even half decent shows get any viewership anymore, myself included. I just don't care any longer. So let's keep the good memories and learn to let go.
I don't think so. Not while KK is around. Anything that becomes a breakout success in Star Wars, KK will demand it tie back into the sequel trilogy and then it just dies. She is dead set on making the sequel trilogy work and Rey a household name even if she has to burn everything else that is good with it.
Nope
any Star Wars with George Lucas involved is good. Disney SW is hit or most likely Miss. Miss Kennedy that is, the woman responsible for all our angst. When She goes, can you imagine the celebration? Yub Yub!
I think it could be saved, but it would take probably at least 3-4 good (and unwoke) movies or tv series to get the trust back from the real fans. Like they say, trust is fragile.
Skeleton Crew failing is proof that Star Wars is cooked. It might be the best piece of Disney Star Wars. And I’m including Rogue One, you’re just letting “the scene” skew your perspective
Comparing the relative success of two Disney productions units, I wonder if Rat City would be better off firing ALL of the LucasFilm commune and replacing those expensive money burners with the TV producers. Disney TV seems to have a (somewhat) better record of success than the Dumpster Fire factory that is today's LucasFilm. The Walt Disney company could save a ton of money by not having to pander to the "vile den of Scum and Villainy," and could make a bit of money at the box office. But, "'Tis but a dream," eh?;)
Its over sw fans, disney has the high ground!
I mean, unless the next war is fought with xwing fighter drones they just lightspeed into the bad guy's ships, the characters are gonna look pretty dumb. Then again, it might fit.
I gave up on STAR WARS a long time ago.
FORCE AWAKENS Audiences were not waiting for this.
ROGUE ONE Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
LAST JEDI Pretty much were Mark's reputation is now after the election.
RISE OF SKYWALKER What was that?
WILLOW Seriously?!
MANDO Dead now.
OBI WAN series This was a sure thing, and you ruined it.
SOLO Well, at least it wasn't the sequel trilogy.
BOOK OF BF Well, at least it wasn't the sequel trilogy.
GALAXY SC HOTEL Iceberg dead ahead.
ANDOR The water is pouring in. But we'll revamp the menu!
INDY 5 No time to rearrange deck chairs. Ship breaks in half!
AHSOKA Brother can you spare a lifejacket?
ACOLYTE Ship gone. Passengers dead.
SKELETON CREW I seriously doubt anyone cares at this point.
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CAN it be saved? Yes, theoretically. WILL it be saved? Not a chance in goddamn hell.
I see only one way for Star Wars to actually be saved, and it's simply never going to happen. Two things - first, they'd have to wait a long time and let the franchise rest, while giving the entirety of the fanbase time to napalm the bad taste out of their mouths and memories by having no TV series or films. Second, they'd have to adapt Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, and it would have to be a HARDCORE purist adaptation of the source material. I'm not talking them merely swinging the pendulum back, I'm taking Shohei Otani ramming his fist into the grandfather clock and laser beaming the pendulum in the other direction. No agendas, no race swaps, no girl bossing, no questions asked, a near-perfect adaptation of KOTOR.
Disney will never do this. The first step to solving a problem is acknowledging you have a problem, and Disney will never outright admit they've run the IP into the ground and torched all fan goodwill to ash. Adapting KOTOR properly would require serious levels of planning and execution, and Disney has shown a complete inability to do either properly.
I don’t think so buddy. There’s one trilogy of Star Wars ever going to be one Star Wars trilogy the original. @Bonebridger
Only three movies. There will only ever be three. Ewoks 1, Ewoks 2, the ORIGINAL holiday special.
"Can star wars be saved"
They already made Andor
Obi one show was truly the show that destroyed Star Wars
Star Wars is broken and that hurts. Skeleton Crew is great, I hope others discover it. According to Mike Zeroh Kathleen Kennedy’s firing is imminent!! So we got that goin for us.
A few years ago
KK "Bob and I had a long conversation about my continued employment, and we decided to part ways. That's why we got the old bob back."
Now
Iger "We're thinking about firing Kennedy, but we have to wait until it's the right time. She has had nothing but failures."
The future
Robot Mouse (A subsidiary of Applezon) "It is finally time to fire her. Get her out of that office. After all, she's been dead for over a century."
You referencing Mike zeroh is all I needed to know...
@ lol I know he is a big fake!! Just a little sarcasm 😉
Is that guy really still around? 😂
Even though i thought the EU back then was a little stupid. It definitely is better than the recent garbage they put out. Star wars could be saved if they go back to the eu or the orginal storylines and even if they make new characters, quit relying on cameos and nostalgia to carry the story or movie.
Star Wars is effectively a worthless brand at this point. They can maybe make money off lightsabers, Darth Vader, and Luke Skywalker, but nothing else "Star Wars" related has any value. Disney has over-saturated and cheapened the IP so much, and driven so many customers away, it's a wonder they are still pumping BILLIONS of dollars into producing content, with practically no way of recouping those expenses.
No, it can't.
No
Retconning all the garbage can be start
It's time to accept that Star Wars has become a bubbling swamp of corporate idiocy and move on.
How do you save something that's been blasted into atoms like the death star?😂
Get good writers
Focus on issues people had with sequels not just what you think the problem is or dismissing the criticisms
Focus on something more small scale to really endear these characters to the audience
I would actually try to do something with Kylo over Rey but even she can be saved if she is made to actually face problems
It can be done but will need a lot of work
The answer is no
BIG FAT NADA
It's already dead. The crap they are putting out is not Star Wars.
NOPE.
I've actually been hearing good things about Skeleton Crew.
You are right and that's part of what sucks. Brand damage is a thing and it can be measured.
The issue with Skeleton Crew is not the quality. It's the viewership in relation to the budget and revenue per viewer. It had a budget of 136M, but Star Wars hasn't been doing well in terms of budget and Disney can't be assumed to have the child demographic.
Each user earns them 6.95 which is abysmal compared to pretty much every other streaming service, but is better than Disney+ has ever done before. In order to break even at 6.95 they need a viewership a bit over 19M. They should have known this wasn't going to happen and budgeted accordingly.
Nope. Dead franchise
Space Disney is dead
It's dead.
If it dies, it dies.
It's already dead
Kathleen Kennedy is in charge hell no Star Wars can’t be saved we have to deal with it
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