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What can I say, other than what I've said many times before, "Jack, you are NASAspaceflight's most invigorating and exciting host for Starbase news". Keep these great updates coming... Thank you!
B11 static firing test: 33 engines, 50% throttle (estimated), LOX tank 100% filled, LCH4 tank ~20% filled (estimated), 8 sec testing duration. Engine thrust 4125t (metric tons). B11 wet mass at T=0 sec (engine start): 4029t. Upward force on the engine hold down clamps at T=0: 96t. Upward force on the engine hold down clamps at T+8 sec (end of test): 188t. Ocean platforms: When the two oil drilling platforms were sold last year, SpaceX indicated that an improved platform design for Starship had been created.
NSF update in April 2043 be like: "This month SpaceX landed another HLS at Moonbase alpha, performed eight Starlink V5 launches and nineteen tanker launches to depots in preparation for the upcoming Mars transfer window, and work continues on the OLM"
More exciting times ahead at Starbase. Going to be very interesting to see all these changes to Starship and Super Heavy Booster come to fruition as well as how long it will actually take. Go SpaceX. Go NSF. Thank you for keeping us informed.
Perhaps they need to be using a tile vibration tool to set the tiles in the adhesive. These are used by the guys who tile your shower to remove air pockets from behind the tile.
Attempting a catch this early seems insane, I have a lot of faith in SpaceX but I am a bit skeptical of the precision involved in this maneuver. Just hope the tower isn't destroyed.
I think the development section was just a test piece for rolling assembly line easy to use one small section multiple times. But it would be interesting to see so much condensed to one area and a great thought
Actually, the removal of the OLM might be a good idea if you are going to use that towr to attempt a first catch of a booster or ship in that location. With the OLM being absent, you risk less damage to existing infra when it doesn't go according to plan...
I keep wondering why the pez dispenser door was designed to be horizontal instead of vertical. The fore has a series of disadvantages compared to the latter: • Thrust mainly being vertical, the door's horizontal dimension should be as short as possible for as lesser a disruption as possible in the thrust-stressed ship's skin • Many more aligned hinges can be laid out in a vertical than a horizontal door on a vertical-axis cylinder ship, thus reducing the torsional oscillations the door could be subjected to when not closed. • A door's horizontal or vertical orientation is also that of stowed satellites', and the latter would more easily resist thrust along their longest dimension.
am wondering flight 4 was using Virtual tower in ocean, is that mean Mecha arms also moving simulating the movement of booster catching? that would be cool
The arms will not really move very much. The booster will glide in until it hits the arms. The virtual tower is just that - virtual. It means it will be computers calculating where the booster is in relation to fixed points (any stable surface near the landing site). If it follows the projected path all is well. If not, they have to try again.
The nose cone tiles won't stick better unless they break clean the surface before application or maybe compressed air could be sufficient. Let them know if they don't do it.
So... how will later versions of the booster fit in the mega bays? Reduce stand height? Raise the roof a few more meters? New building, and if so, where??
It currently takes a while for SpaceX to line up the chopsticks and booster lift points in order to lift the booster onto the OLM. And that's having ideal conditions. The booster is completely vertical and stable/stationary. To catch a booster. The chopsticks and booster will need to line up perfectly in SECONDS! Not minutes. I don't see how the current setup can pull that off. The setup is too slow and requires perfect accuracy.
@@shaung949Sorry, but that makes no sense. If they don't line it up perfectly. It would cause at minimum serious damage to the grid fins, if not worse. It also depends on how much surface area the chopsticks have for the booster catch arms to hook into. If it's just a small pocket/area then there's a serious risk of missing and all the weight ending up on the grid fins instead. Thats be very bad. However SpaceX has a better chance of catching a booster than a ship. Even Jack of (NSF) has said the current ship lifting points are not going to work for a catch.
@@smavtmb2196 SpaceX has pulled off miracles before but this catch system is above and beyond. Having to align everything perfectly and catch it on those little nubbins on the side of the booster seems nuts.
@@smavtmb2196 I think the slowness comes from an abundance of caution. Not necessarily because they can't move fast enough. They can always use a crane to take the weight and then realign to learn what didn't quite work right from a catch. Assuming they can catch it at all. I think it's the setting it down part that requires a bit more correct lift point precision. Not the holding part. But they can refine that once they catch it and see what they need to do from a hover.
@@smavtmb2196 A lot of the delay in lifts is due to having to align the chopsticks absolutely vertical over the stand or olm so it lifts perfectly vertical. If the chopsticks are not 100% in alignment you risk the booster swinging and hitting the engines when the stabilizers retract. When catching there is nothing to hit the engines on so less of a need for perfect alignment. Putting it down after is where you need the fine control again.
lol this speech is possibly the most controversial event concerning starship that has ever happened since the beginning of starship development, my X feed has been going absolutely nuts
Wait till speech when there will be speech before or after first catch attempt. Haters and fans will go nuts. I still hear from haters how IFT are expensive, wasteful, and SpaceX is just wasting taxpayer money. Not one of those accusations are true, and to debunk it need whole 5 minutes of googling 😂😂😂
Thanks for yet another great update! Regarding the tower catches... I'm curious whether SpaceX might use a very cut down version of the booster (something more like the top part of the booster but perhaps with a power system like a drone) to practice the actual catch / landing before landing a whole booster on it. To me to simply confirm that they can land a booster with the same level of control as what is required for landing on the chopsticks feels like it is missing the actual "landing it on the catch mechanism" bit. Anyone else got thoughts on this?
@@just_archan Yes - that's what Elon has said... but that doesn't provide any data on actually landing on the chopsticks (eg adjusting them to be precisely in place, interface between chopsticks and booster)
Elon did say they were not certain to catch the booster on the first attempt. They are prepared to take some damage or have a backup plan for getting the booster clear if it fails to land.
Strange spacex doesn't test the catching of the booster/ship with a test article (from the rocket garden) that can try a few times to get caught by the tower, and that lands on legs when it fails to get caught properly, en gets refueled/modified for a next attempt. Why use something that comes back from (near) orbital, just to test if you can catch it?
@@knowledgeisgood9645 I believe Raptor is gonna be one of those things kept top secret for a long, long time. Like the SR-71 Blackbird engines. It was kept a secret for a very long time because of how effective they were. The Rocket Engine that outclasses every single rocket engine ever created
I think Phobos and Deimos were used for cannibalizing the Draw Works and any other useful bits before they were scrapped. I highly doubt there was any intention to actually use those platforms for launches
They were bought for almost nothing. SpaceX started removing the sections that had to do with drilling, intending to build a pad. But they soon realized there was no way they could be converted, so they sold them.
I keep getting this feeling they will catch IFT-5, but it will need lift inspection before they even attempt to move it.Well, drones first while it still is unsafe. Or it will not be in the right catch position to drop it and detank any remaining fuel. Maybe they'll have to attach a crane to hold it to get it onto the lift points correctly. Or maybe it will miss entirely. Hard to say. I could see it try a few seconds to land on the hooks, then the arms pop open and it rockets off to the ocean to ditch it. Lots of options.
Considering how tall a full stack of the current Starship/Booster setup is, they're gonna have to add another tower segment cause it's barely tall enough as it stands right now. Here's hoping for lucky flight 4 in a month or so
The tower has little to do with things above the lifting points on the booster and ship. Those can be placed lower down. What has likely to be moved is the Ship QD because the filling lines can't go any lower. We have not seen any signs of additional tower sections. For now the tower hight does not need to be changed. It is also part of the Environmental Studies that were approved. Changing it could cause problems.
At least 3 simulated captures would probably be needed to take the risk of catching (so 2025). Btw, why not rotate BQD on next OLM 180deg to not have it in the blast of the clearing maneuver.
If they are in orbit, would they have to push the starlinks down the payload bay, so they will be able to get the starlinks to exit the door in a timely manner?
The original sea-based launch platforms were way too SMALL. My request, for SpaceX: Buy 3 semi-submersible platforms, WITHOUT superstructures. Weld them together. Then construct SpaceX-specific superstructure on that much-expanded surface. Oceanic roll mitigation should be much easier, and safery factors are better.
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What can I say, other than what I've said many times before, "Jack, you are NASAspaceflight's most invigorating and exciting host for Starbase news". Keep these great updates coming... Thank you!
Thank YOU for your support!
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Love seeing how far NSF has come and to have been on this hopper to ship journey with you guys. Great job Jack and the whole team!
B11 static firing test: 33 engines, 50% throttle (estimated), LOX tank 100% filled, LCH4 tank ~20% filled (estimated), 8 sec testing duration. Engine thrust 4125t (metric tons). B11 wet mass at T=0 sec (engine start): 4029t. Upward force on the engine hold down clamps at T=0: 96t. Upward force on the engine hold down clamps at T+8 sec (end of test): 188t.
Ocean platforms: When the two oil drilling platforms were sold last year, SpaceX indicated that an improved platform design for Starship had been created.
We need a “work continues on the olm” shirt
I second that. And a “work continues on the Starfactory” shirt, too.
NSF update in April 2043 be like: "This month SpaceX landed another HLS at Moonbase alpha, performed eight Starlink V5 launches and nineteen tanker launches to depots in preparation for the upcoming Mars transfer window, and work continues on the OLM"
Yay, more comprehensive Starbase coverage! Always good to see fire from Boca.
A near 20 minute Starbase update is rare, so you know its gonna be good!
Oh yeah! 😎
Díky!
Thanks Jack, your enthusiasm helps propel these updates to the top of the pile of UA-cam coverage of space news. Good work!
Nobody does it as good as Jack! Another great update!
Booster 11:
Rolls out, static fires, rolls back.
Absolute Booster.🗿🗿
Doesn't elaborate, rolls back
Jack, you are the ultimate contentmeister. Thank you for these information packed presentations.
I would thank the team too. Jack has help doing these videos.
I dont write the script i just yell the words at the camera! Still, thanks
Cant wait for the next launch of starship!!
We should start calling the version 3 Starship "the limousine model"
Yay a Jack update. Thanks NSF team, lots of great information in this video.
4:44 is THE BEST part of this video 😄
More exciting times ahead at Starbase. Going to be very interesting to see all these changes to Starship and Super Heavy Booster come to fruition as well as how long it will actually take. Go SpaceX. Go NSF. Thank you for keeping us informed.
Love your updates Jack. Always so high-energy and full of info!
Perhaps they need to be using a tile vibration tool to set the tiles in the adhesive. These are used by the guys who tile your shower to remove air pockets from behind the tile.
Wow another amazing update from jack cant wait for starship versions 2 and 3 now
Rolling a super heavy booster out to the test site, testing it and rolling it back in a week, will seem long next year.
Attempting a catch this early seems insane, I have a lot of faith in SpaceX but I am a bit skeptical of the precision involved in this maneuver. Just hope the tower isn't destroyed.
Great SBU Jack, & NSF, Thank you!!!
B14 is so cleeeaaan!!
Thanks Jack! You are excellent!
Very Cool Dude! Rite On ! Dig it.
morning jack nothing can eclipse your show
I think the development section was just a test piece for rolling assembly line easy to use one small section multiple times. But it would be interesting to see so much condensed to one area and a great thought
You the Man Jack 👍🚀 Godspeed SpaceX 🤓🚀🪐
Actually, the removal of the OLM might be a good idea if you are going to use that towr to attempt a first catch of a booster or ship in that location. With the OLM being absent, you risk less damage to existing infra when it doesn't go according to plan...
I keep wondering why the pez dispenser door was designed to be horizontal instead of vertical. The fore has a series of disadvantages compared to the latter:
• Thrust mainly being vertical, the door's horizontal dimension should be as short as possible for as lesser a disruption as possible in the thrust-stressed ship's skin
• Many more aligned hinges can be laid out in a vertical than a horizontal door on a vertical-axis cylinder ship, thus reducing the torsional oscillations the door could be subjected to when not closed.
• A door's horizontal or vertical orientation is also that of stowed satellites', and the latter would more easily resist thrust along their longest dimension.
The ratios of payload to orbit to propellant load is important. That determines how many propellant loads to orbit they need.
Fantastic update and must have been difficult to do with so much new stuff coming through at the time of filming 👍
So exciting. What a time to be alive
Thank you for the video Jack.
I look forward to ***YOUR*** updates particularly.
Peaceful Skies.
am wondering flight 4 was using Virtual tower in ocean, is that mean Mecha arms also moving simulating the movement of booster catching? that would be cool
It would be assumed but we will prolly never learn until the actual catch attempt
The arms will not really move very much. The booster will glide in until it hits the arms.
The virtual tower is just that - virtual. It means it will be computers calculating where the booster is in relation to fixed points (any stable surface near the landing site). If it follows the projected path all is well. If not, they have to try again.
Will high bay be tall enough to accomodate Starship V3?
Great video! Still pinch myself to be a part these amazing things!
Thank you for the update.
The nose cone tiles won't stick better unless they break clean the surface before application or maybe compressed air could be sufficient. Let them know if they don't do it.
Need more of these videos
Congrats on 1 million subs!
Jack and NSF, y'all rock! Peace
UR DA BEST updates presenter. Thanks!
So... how will later versions of the booster fit in the mega bays? Reduce stand height? Raise the roof a few more meters? New building, and if so, where??
They have enough of a margin to build them. But maybe they build taller bays in the future.
Is the steel plate going to survive version 2 or 3? 10,000 tons of thrust. Wow.
they might need to increase the water pressure to compensate.
Amazing video as always!
🍻 Jack once again 👍
I can't wait to see the telescopes and other types of payloads that starship can put into orbit.
They have a complete space station booked for 2028
Loved video and u r great
Love the video and where can I get that awesome shirt?!!
Pull a wolfram net around Starship to hold heat tiles in place.
It currently takes a while for SpaceX to line up the chopsticks and booster lift points in order to lift the booster onto the OLM. And that's having ideal conditions. The booster is completely vertical and stable/stationary.
To catch a booster. The chopsticks and booster will need to line up perfectly in SECONDS! Not minutes.
I don't see how the current setup can pull that off.
The setup is too slow and requires perfect accuracy.
They won't have to worry about aligning as much as there is no risk of the engines hitting the side of the transport stand or OLM.
@@shaung949Sorry, but that makes no sense. If they don't line it up perfectly. It would cause at minimum serious damage to the grid fins, if not worse. It also depends on how much surface area the chopsticks have for the booster catch arms to hook into. If it's just a small pocket/area then there's a serious risk of missing and all the weight ending up on the grid fins instead. Thats be very bad.
However SpaceX has a better chance of catching a booster than a ship. Even Jack of (NSF) has said the current ship lifting points are not going to work for a catch.
@@smavtmb2196 SpaceX has pulled off miracles before but this catch system is above and beyond. Having to align everything perfectly and catch it on those little nubbins on the side of the booster seems nuts.
@@smavtmb2196 I think the slowness comes from an abundance of caution. Not necessarily because they can't move fast enough. They can always use a crane to take the weight and then realign to learn what didn't quite work right from a catch. Assuming they can catch it at all. I think it's the setting it down part that requires a bit more correct lift point precision. Not the holding part. But they can refine that once they catch it and see what they need to do from a hover.
@@smavtmb2196 A lot of the delay in lifts is due to having to align the chopsticks absolutely vertical over the stand or olm so it lifts perfectly vertical. If the chopsticks are not 100% in alignment you risk the booster swinging and hitting the engines when the stabilizers retract.
When catching there is nothing to hit the engines on so less of a need for perfect alignment. Putting it down after is where you need the fine control again.
nobody has mentioned the visual difference of the hot staging ring in the renders for the future versions hhmmmm!
Taller ship is to accommodate fuel for 3 more vacuum engines
Do you think when they stretch the ship & booster for version 3 that they will also make a taller launch tower?
I am guessing we're going to see Raptor 3 as soon as Starship v2 starts being used. Just gotta finish all the v1's, so maybe early next year?
No mention of the fuel depot that Elon talked about?
There was really nothing new about it, we've known about the depot for years
Jack so funy and entusiastic🎉
Jack is the man.
@NASASpaceflight: Genuinely curious. How powerful is too powerful? The additional noise, shockwaves, vibrations, etc.
All I have to say is even Space X is using Milwaukee tools, love to see it
Match doesn't add up unless the plan on more than 33 engines on Version 3 Super Heavy.
"...Flight !!!!!7!!!!! wouldn't take place until at least October..." Would be a crazy sentence to say in 2020 about Starship-launches in two years...
lol this speech is possibly the most controversial event concerning starship that has ever happened since the beginning of starship development, my X feed has been going absolutely nuts
Wait till speech when there will be speech before or after first catch attempt. Haters and fans will go nuts. I still hear from haters how IFT are expensive, wasteful, and SpaceX is just wasting taxpayer money.
Not one of those accusations are true, and to debunk it need whole 5 minutes of googling 😂😂😂
Notice how we rarely see engines being swapped out. Definitely been a big jump in reliability.
I can’t believe B11 did its SF campaign at the production site 😮
thank you!
I noticed that the booster for V3 Starship was also slightly taller.
V3 booster is about 9 metres taller, ship is just shorter than the current booster.
Thanks for yet another great update! Regarding the tower catches... I'm curious whether SpaceX might use a very cut down version of the booster (something more like the top part of the booster but perhaps with a power system like a drone) to practice the actual catch / landing before landing a whole booster on it. To me to simply confirm that they can land a booster with the same level of control as what is required for landing on the chopsticks feels like it is missing the actual "landing it on the catch mechanism" bit. Anyone else got thoughts on this?
I think they will try with full booster on sea first.
@@just_archan Yes - that's what Elon has said... but that doesn't provide any data on actually landing on the chopsticks (eg adjusting them to be precisely in place, interface between chopsticks and booster)
Elon did say they were not certain to catch the booster on the first attempt. They are prepared to take some damage or have a backup plan for getting the booster clear if it fails to land.
Jack, just like you, left handed people rule esp with a novium pen in their hand lol
Strange spacex doesn't test the catching of the booster/ship with a test article (from the rocket garden) that can try a few times to get caught by the tower, and that lands on legs when it fails to get caught properly, en gets refueled/modified for a next attempt. Why use something that comes back from (near) orbital, just to test if you can catch it?
I would love to meet the few people in charge of the design for the future versions of raptor, the knowledge they carry....
Too many secrets at present. In a few years from now I hope we get to learn more.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 I believe Raptor is gonna be one of those things kept top secret for a long, long time. Like the SR-71 Blackbird engines. It was kept a secret for a very long time because of how effective they were.
The Rocket Engine that outclasses every single rocket engine ever created
Too much wind noise Dude! Go inside Stupe.
5:23 first ship into orbit?? Didn’t last time ship reach 200km?
I think Phobos and Deimos were used for cannibalizing the Draw Works and any other useful bits before they were scrapped. I highly doubt there was any intention to actually use those platforms for launches
They were bought for almost nothing. SpaceX started removing the sections that had to do with drilling, intending to build a pad. But they soon realized there was no way they could be converted, so they sold them.
Amazing 🎉🎉
Am I tripping, or is there an overhang to the wall at 2:18?
Those gyro pens work like a gyroscope on a ship.
SpaceX video shows the booster coming down to a hover and then stix closing onto booster.
I keep getting this feeling they will catch IFT-5, but it will need lift inspection before they even attempt to move it.Well, drones first while it still is unsafe. Or it will not be in the right catch position to drop it and detank any remaining fuel. Maybe they'll have to attach a crane to hold it to get it onto the lift points correctly. Or maybe it will miss entirely. Hard to say. I could see it try a few seconds to land on the hooks, then the arms pop open and it rockets off to the ocean to ditch it. Lots of options.
Considering how tall a full stack of the current Starship/Booster setup is, they're gonna have to add another tower segment cause it's barely tall enough as it stands right now. Here's hoping for lucky flight 4 in a month or so
The tower has little to do with things above the lifting points on the booster and ship. Those can be placed lower down. What has likely to be moved is the Ship QD because the filling lines can't go any lower. We have not seen any signs of additional tower sections. For now the tower hight does not need to be changed. It is also part of the Environmental Studies that were approved. Changing it could cause problems.
Free idea for Novium: it BEGS to make it a Falcon 9 or Starship edition!
Wait. . .when did Ship 32 lose its bottom flaps???
At least 3 simulated captures would probably be needed to take the risk of catching (so 2025). Btw, why not rotate BQD on next OLM 180deg to not have it in the blast of the clearing maneuver.
you misspelled Neovim
Hello Nsf ! Is that the Artemis hls moon lander prototype near Elon musk ?
Yes, a mock-up of one. We have not seen any photos inside, but many assume it is used to plan the space inside.
Yep!
@@knowledgeisgood9645 thank you for the information Nsf .
This excitable live sports type commentary is a total putoff.
Mornin'
Hello .
Mornin'
Love the new intro vid
V2 of Starship seems so tapered and a lot better than V1. V3 is curse though
its good starship will still launch from sea platforms
Speed lightening
Elon's presentation was like listening to a sci-fi audio book but you know it's real. He even mentioned the Fermi Paradox!
He has talked about that subject on numerous times before. He has always been a sci-fi buff. (As many here are btw.)
What an update
16:45 V3 looks thinner
If they are in orbit, would they have to push the starlinks down the payload bay, so they will be able to get the starlinks to exit the door in a timely manner?
There is a motor inside that pulls the starlinks down as soon as a pair is ejected, placing next pair in place to be ejected. A rather simple process.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 That makes sense, thanks!
I can't wait until Starbase is doing SpaceX updates in Space..
8:49 "how many other rockets can make that claim?"
Didn't STS-51-B launch from LC-39A just 17 days after STS-51-D launched from the same pad?
The quickest redeployment of a Space Shuttle was over 50 days
@@snakevenom4954 you mean the same vehicle? or different vehicle on the same pad?
@@Wolf480pl Same vehicle of course. Took a Falcon 9 a few days to launch from the same pad with different vehicles
It looks like Starship is getting more "pointy" !!
The original sea-based launch platforms were way too SMALL.
My request, for SpaceX: Buy 3 semi-submersible platforms, WITHOUT superstructures. Weld them together. Then construct SpaceX-specific superstructure on that much-expanded surface. Oceanic roll mitigation should be much easier, and safery factors are better.