Fence-sitting is the most needlessly divisive insult. Regardless of left or right, the real enemy are your collectvists and your cringey groupthink. Not very open minded of you to demand everyone fit in one of your two little boxes...
4 months later but boarding actions is a great format. Everyone is on terminators and below. Lists are restricted enough to prevent skew but not so restricted to only have one build. And the detachments are decently balanced.
Love Guy saying he doesn't like Marines as a contrarian - I paint up Ultramarines because people find them boring :p Damn contrarians, they've ruined contrarianism! Also, I'd fight a T'au Marker Drone and give myself a good 50% odds.
It doesn't effect me, much, but, in 2 weeks, GW 1. Changed lore 2. Gaslit the audience 3. Raised prices after a year of record profits. Calling being mad trolling is just disingenuous.
Space Marines have become too "perfect", Custards even more so. Narratively, they're just boring. The original concept of them as barely brainwashed convicts is far more interesting and engaging, not to mention the notion of their strength and other superhuman qualities being a product of their armour instead of being intrinsic to the Marines themselves.
Midwinter minis and Guy are the reason I finally got into Warhammer. I was so back and forth with it but I saw his Makhiban necrons video and was sold. Now I have over 5k points of necrons in he style from his video and I love all of it. I'll always watch one of his videos.
The kill-bill soundtrack was blaring in my ears when he started talking about "both sides" "tribalism" and "nothings black n white". basically nothing important or insightful has ever been said after those centrist slogans and midwinter didn't buck this trend.
@Hugme778 no I'm just not a moral coward who is afraid to call obvious reactionary sexism what it is. What the fuck was that shit about him understanding people upset about retcons?
Yeah... When he was like "morality of murder used to be debated" I was like, okay, when did this "pendulum" ever swing too far in the "murder bad" direction such that we landed here?
So everything is political, but your politics are just objectively best ? (i.e. progressive universalism) congratualtions, you are the perfect global citizen.
As a historical wargamer, I was heartbroken to see the revolting backlash against Guy's historical video. You were engaging with the historical side of the hobby more seriously than the vast majority of people who make "historical" wargaming their entire personality. Serious engagement makes the hobby better not worse, and I think the community lost a lot by driving you out.
Maybe I'm crazy but if someone is collecting tiny Nazis it's a red flag lol it's just to attached to an actual atrocity that happened less than a hundred years ago@LakenAnderson
@@freeRadioArmageddon same, I love me some K47, alot less drama. Also I think the worst part of his video about "Don't make me paint the Angry Windmill boys" is he spoke about Germans in Bolt Action and the issues of playing/collecting them, then did a World of Warships add, including gameplay of WW2 Kriegsmarine vessels. Many people saw that as two faced, and simply looking for clicks/profits.
Genuinely interested to see where this one goes. Vince has always been unabashedly himself and I wonder how Guy's going to mesh with that. Either way I am thrilled for more PK podcast content.
@@pkswarroom Long form content from the milkiest man in esports has been great and this conversation didn't disappoint. Thank you to both you and Guy for the entertainment and thought provoking content you both continuously provide.
Watching this after the mana crypt ban is wild. PK talking about how death threats and such aren't big in card games and then the community proving him so very wrong. I think MWM was right its more a society thing than a specific scene
Hey Guy - have you looked into Shadow War: Armageddon? It's a good few years old now, but was a skirmish 40k format that was based on second edition - basically Necromunda95 using 40k models/squads. (But it might also be too small) Edit - just heard you mention Necromunda95, so maybe it's not too small.
I want to add for the record, not that it's important, those right wing culture trolls who ask why we can't make detailed marble anymore? We can. We do.
Height comment from an American viewer of both your channels: im guessing the Professor is very tall, because I've always thought you were shorter because you look smaller next to him. (Or maybe it's camera angles?)
This is quite a disingenuous presentation of anyone who disagreed with the content of the video. 1. Talking about not playing as the real life bad guys while at the same time taking a sponsorship from world of warships was a poor choice. 2. There are no good guys in history. Why not make the point about playing as the allies being equally uncomfortable? It wasnt the nazis that dropped nuclear weapons on civilians. The video was poorly thought out im afraid. Not that, that in any way justifies any kind of personal attack of course. The trouble was that inconsistency and the lack of logical application. Why paint a sherman tank in a video talking about how painting nazis is unpalletable, a sherman tank is a real life weapon of war that killed people, both military and civilian. The premise either works both ways or not at all. And no im not defending nazis before any of that nonsense emerges. Neither am I a historical wargamer.
So as this comment illustrates quite faithfully, the critique of the mwm video is kind of dumb and they're just mad at a person working through their complicated feelings of painting Nazis. It's not that weird. If you felt personally attacked, that really says more about you than a toy soldier game and someone else's feelings.
It also perpetuates that the German armed forces were synonymous with the Nazi party, when there was significant distinction between the German army and the Nazi SS, which went so far as to having armed clashes between the two.
Interesting to listen to the two of you reminiscing about older editions. It’s an intriguing thought to consider how the game morphed and changed long before I came into the hobby. Good podcast.
This was a fun podcast until you started talking about nazis and wokeness, how about you talk about warhammer instead, we get enough politics already from everywhere
I dunno man, I remember the whole thing. Being really excited about midwinter minis making videos about bolt action. Because he had teased that he wanted to do some content with the dads Army miniatures during a copyright Battle with games workshop. And then when the video comes out it's like this weird mealymouthed are you a Nazi? Posing the question so many times... I mean there's an image from Father Ted (I think?) with all the regalia and comments like everyone knows that guy... who is a bit too into playing the Nazi's in the club. And then the sponsor being a game in which you play as Nazis and the Japanese, to which Guy read the script saying it was his favourite game. It was just a hot mess. Even worse then you get cringeworthy historical debates in the comments. I mean all this talk of good Germans. You know how many millions of people were involved in the Holocaust? How almost every town in Germany had a death camp at the end of the war. That the allies could not even start to bring everyone to account for the murders because you'd have no one left to run the country. The Wehrmacht was murdering civilians from the day one, so really don't understand the squeamishness about the SS when in reality the regular German army was doing the same thing. But that's why I hated the video so much, It's an awesome game with beautiful toy soldiers. I don't want any awkward political stuff seeping into it! It did feel like an attack by a bigger creator on a small community. The strangest thing was guys showing up on our tiny bolt action sub readit. Fucking bizarre. He clearly didn't take the negative feedback well. Also, I'm Jewish. Grandparents were Holocaust survivors. I have an SS German army with all the regalia (I have every single army in the game!), because it's authentic, and they were in the setting. But it's as real as any Warhammer 40K game. Just with much better rules! Seriously there's very metal seeing elite fanatical SS guys getting gunned down in a hopeless cause (they're actually terrible on the table! too few activations, too many expensive upgrades.) It's not a re-enactment, it's still just a game. The war was almost 90 years ago. I honestly can't believe that he got death threats from the Bolt action community. Frightening. I really didn't like a video but that's just on another level.
Acting like all Germans were responsible is just as disingenuous as Hitler blaming the Jews for the economic status as Germany. I wouldn't defend actual Nazis but blaming ALL Germans is kinda fucking racist.
The "death threats" thing is so over used. I think most people use this when they have a bad take to make themselves into the victim. Guy lost me after that video.
@@The.LastMelon he's still playing the victim now, he's doing uploads talking about family members that have died and his kids and stuff...like he didn't care about those kids when he cheated and walked out on them. My dad died a year ago but I'm not talking about it on UA-cam videos trying to get sympathy for it. He's a narcissist.
@@The.LastMelon The average bolt action player doesn't fit the profile in my opinion. A mild mannered history buff who goes the club on a Wednesday evening. We can't know for sure but it sounds unlikely.
1: I feel like a lot of wargamers are on the older side, and older people can sometimes be a little more aggressive about being called out 2: Let's not forget about the American Internment camps for Asian Americans
Specifically Japanese. We did not just haul away all Asians idiot. You clearly have or had a propagandist "History" teacher. We never started them, we never worked any of them to death. False equivalency.
So let me get this straight. The same guys who have extrapolated some nonexistent opinion from mwm video and have now made it their personality to slander him in online spaces somehow deserve charity from him? The same dudes who go on random Reddit threads and UA-cam comments (even here) saying lies about how he left his wife and kids for some secret evil reason are the same ones who want to gate keep women from the hobby, and we’re gonna defend that? There is no pendulum, you’re a white man from England, you are the pendulum. You’ve experienced an iota of the negative attention from the right that others have and your response is to try to appease them? I get why you would want to, but I t doesn’t work like that. They don’t care, they will continue to attack you. I am not a fanatic for wanting to play a game how I like without being harassed, I am not a fanatic for defending my right to exist. If you’re defending that then it honestly sounds like you don’t want me to exist either. Not taking a stance is taking a stance and there’s nothing intelligent to be said about not caring about important issues. Loved pk’s dialogue and this was a very interesting interview, but wow am I disappointed in mwm’s responses
Also, lmao at replying to transrights with “people used to defend m wording people” What a nothing response, literally no they didn’t. Seems Terf-y to me
No one is gatekeeping women. SOME OF US JUST DONT WANT THE LORE CHANGED AND THEN FOR GW TO DENY THE CHANGE HAPPENED THEN THE WEEK AFTER THEY RAISE PRICES.
yeah, imagine not wanting to wave any flag anywhere. He is an entertainer, a content creator, not a freaking political activist. Stop expecting everyone to voice their opinion on everything. Just like actors are not suitable to become experts on economics, a youtuber has usually little to no knowledge how things work. I do fully support granting people their rights, but that includes a right to not take definitive stance on anything if they don't want to. The way you treat this interview is itself a form of harrassment. Saying that, I do not agree with MWM wargaming video, but I do still support his right to voice his opinion or keep his mouth shut if he wants to. PK can shout whatever he wants, it is his right, but he has no right expecting this from others.
Lies? I'm pretty sure it was his wife who outed him about it all over Reddit. Or is that all made up by some mystery person who pretended to be her? I'm genuinely asking here because he's never come out and said it's all lies
Guy has some serious flaws as a content creator, given the absolute cold sick that was his (sponsored) historicals video, and as a man, given what he very publicly did to his ex-wife. So I do have mixed emotions seeing you hang out with him. At the same time it's humanising to hear he nixed low quality projects because that must have cost real time and therefore money. Similarly as a second edition gamer I think he has the right take on the hobby and 40k, and he has good taste. He's done real good for the vintage community (I mean, he's not Olden Daemon, but he's still done big things). So, it was a good conversation and I'm glad you hosted it.
@mediocreminis penny was all over reddit talking about when it happened, so yes he absolutely did, and as a dad with a one year old it just appalled me. To be thinking about that with babies that age, and following through on it in a way that causes chaos for the mother and the babies, is just unconscionable to me and I cancelled my patreon and never looked back.
@mediocreminis oh i should say it's also dodgy as fuck that his replacement partner is his employee who takes instructions from him on what to build and paint. The whole thing is just not how a good dad behaves, I don't care what hypotheticals fans come up with. Penny subsequently deleted her posts- which caused unbelievable backlash against him at the time - in an attempt to move on with her life and salvage some kind of coparenting situation. Meanwhile he continued shit talking her casually on videos about Christmas family plans etc. - just grotesque
@@mediocreminis it was all over Reddit mate, his ex partner posted it. I unsubscribed from him the moment I found out. His behaviour really hit home with me on a number of levels and I have zero respect for any man (or woman) that can do that to their partner. To then wave your new partner about like a shiny new toy on your UA-cam channel takes it to a whole new level.
50:00 at this point I wish Geedubs would just make female space marines a thing I'm a cis guy, I don't really have strong feelings on the matter, I'm just so tired of the back and forth ya know?
I'm with Guy on historical wargaming. In historicals, you're making a game out of real peoples Worst Possible Day. Something about that has never sat right with me. That little toy soldier you're pushing around on the table top probably has very real, living family. That's a hell of a thing to have fun with. I cant imagine trying to explain to my grandad (god rest him) that I have fun by replaying the events that killed so many of his friends. Worse yet, I cant imagine following that up with "oh yea, and I play the guys who murdered your friends and tried to murder you"
soooo like where do we put the line with historicals? are the napoleonic ones bad as well or they don't count because no one's grandad from that time is around anymore? or medieval ones?
I dont think people game to literally reenact murdering people's ancestors ffs 🤦♂️ I mean I played a British army based on the conflicts in Egypt, not at any point was I thinking about my grandad being blown up driving his personnel wagon when he was over there in the black watch when I'm losing a game badly. It's a game. It's not like playing a game 70 years later has an impact on the past
Really enjoyed the podcast. I listened to it instead of watching just wanted to come on here and leave a comment. I would have really enjoyed sitting in having an ale. Cheers
Just something I’d like to say here re protest, I’m Jewish (well of decent). I’m getting real sick of mobs running through cities blaming me for all the worlds ills, supporting our annihilation and blaming us for a conflict thousands of miles away. It is a point of privilege for someone like you to talk about what are ostensibly hate marches every week as protected protest.
If you think Pro-Palestine marches are anti-Jewish marches, you are either incredibly misguided, or being disingenuous. Being for the halting of a war that will eradicate a civilian population has literally nothing to do with being Jewish.
@@pkswarroom one, I am Jewish, and two they are anti Jewish marches. Hearing people chant kayber kayber yahud marching through London is not fucking cool. Wanting to eradicate the worlds only Jewish state is not cool, calling Jews Nazis is not fucking cool ( and a hate crime under current legislation). All this does is show your massive privilege, i thought peoples existence wasn't up for debate? Even if you disagree with how the IDF is conducting the war against a genocidal terrorist organisation (which is nowhere near eradicating the 2.5 million people living in Gaza, and currently has a lower combatant to civilian casualty rate than almost any modern conflict (yes there is evidence for this, it was presented in the house of lords,not everything you see on tik tok is true) ) , it can be done without calls for violence or the promotion of terrorist groups, it isn't. There is a reason that both BDS and the PSC are banned in most of western Europe (France and Germany being the main supporters of this), because the Pro-Palestine movement and the Marxists that support them are inherently antisemitic in their outlook and belief. I would also like to ask, where are the marches for Burma or Sudan? or for the yazidis or assyrians? what about the nearly 100'000 Palestinians that were killed in the Syrian civil war? There wasn't, this has never been about war or the victims of conflict, it has always been a way to vent the worlds oldest hatred. So now i will ask for an apology, would you call a POC being concerned about a national front march disingenuous? Would you say it's misguided for someone from the LGBTQ community to care about the activities of the Westborough Baptist church? Why don't Jews count Vince?
@@pkswarroom"From the river to the sea" literally means "Kill every jew on this land. It is a holdover from when the Jews that lived there initially were wiped out.
@SchalaZeal1 calling a race of people evil, nice 👍🏻 The cognitive dissonance here is mental, imagine being for social justice (I can assume) and also being a fucking nazi
Thanks for having me Vince! You poked and prodded me in all the right ways. You asked good questions too!
Also, massive lol at the virtue signalling and victim complex considering his personal life...
they always out themselves
Do they touch on the whole "leaving your wife pennyless after recently having twins" thing?
@@collegeoffoliage6776 funnily enough no... but definitely wonder if youre a bad person because of the plastic you want to paint...
That sure was a fun episode to listen to. Your discomfort with Guys fence sitting on everything political was palpable.
Guy is clearly left wing
@@real-lomas-chenko he dis say that people who play germans in historical wargaming are nazis
Fence-sitting is the most needlessly divisive insult. Regardless of left or right, the real enemy are your collectvists and your cringey groupthink. Not very open minded of you to demand everyone fit in one of your two little boxes...
@@Chuck9852 🤫🧏♂
4 months later but boarding actions is a great format. Everyone is on terminators and below. Lists are restricted enough to prevent skew but not so restricted to only have one build. And the detachments are decently balanced.
Genuinely amazed to see these two fine bearded gents in one video
I'm certain Guy will hedge on everything and dodge responsibility for any drama involving him and the shit he has done.
Love Guy saying he doesn't like Marines as a contrarian - I paint up Ultramarines because people find them boring :p
Damn contrarians, they've ruined contrarianism!
Also, I'd fight a T'au Marker Drone and give myself a good 50% odds.
Thr custodes thing doesnt effect me but im not gonna berate anyone for not liking a change from a company they choose to support.
It doesn't effect me, much, but, in 2 weeks, GW
1. Changed lore
2. Gaslit the audience
3. Raised prices after a year of record profits.
Calling being mad trolling is just disingenuous.
"Healthcare for minorities or whatever" is the most progressive slogan you could come up with.
Space Marines have become too "perfect", Custards even more so. Narratively, they're just boring. The original concept of them as barely brainwashed convicts is far more interesting and engaging, not to mention the notion of their strength and other superhuman qualities being a product of their armour instead of being intrinsic to the Marines themselves.
Are you familiar with Mira Manga PK? I think she’d make a great guest for a future episode :)
Ayyy, we finally got the PleasantKenobi and Midwinter Minis crossover
Midwinter minis and Guy are the reason I finally got into Warhammer. I was so back and forth with it but I saw his Makhiban necrons video and was sold. Now I have over 5k points of necrons in he style from his video and I love all of it. I'll always watch one of his videos.
Vincent, the famous 21-year old, claiming to have been over six feet tall for 20 years. This is no man, this is an abhuman!
The kill-bill soundtrack was blaring in my ears when he started talking about "both sides" "tribalism" and "nothings black n white".
basically nothing important or insightful has ever been said after those centrist slogans and midwinter didn't buck this trend.
Political brainrot the person
@Hugme778 no I'm just not a moral coward who is afraid to call obvious reactionary sexism what it is.
What the fuck was that shit about him understanding people upset about retcons?
Yeah... When he was like "morality of murder used to be debated" I was like, okay, when did this "pendulum" ever swing too far in the "murder bad" direction such that we landed here?
So everything is political, but your politics are just objectively best ? (i.e. progressive universalism) congratualtions, you are the perfect global citizen.
@Chuck9852 thanks comrade!
I’d choose the guardsman 100% of the time. You’re nuts if you think you can take a goblin that also has a gun
"I could have learned Crisis Protocol in that time" MCP content coming?!
MCP is my favorite minis game I've played hands down. I love that the rules are both tight and flavorful, and almost all the sculpts are incredible
I too would happily fight a goblin (and unhappily lose)
As a historical wargamer, I was heartbroken to see the revolting backlash against Guy's historical video. You were engaging with the historical side of the hobby more seriously than the vast majority of people who make "historical" wargaming their entire personality. Serious engagement makes the hobby better not worse, and I think the community lost a lot by driving you out.
Maybe I'm crazy but if someone is collecting tiny Nazis it's a red flag lol it's just to attached to an actual atrocity that happened less than a hundred years ago@LakenAnderson
@LakenAndersonlol serious engagement 😂
I don't wanna play the baddies is somehow attacking people, also why I think konflict 47 is better then bolt action
@@freeRadioArmageddon same, I love me some K47, alot less drama. Also I think the worst part of his video about "Don't make me paint the Angry Windmill boys" is he spoke about Germans in Bolt Action and the issues of playing/collecting them, then did a World of Warships add, including gameplay of WW2 Kriegsmarine vessels. Many people saw that as two faced, and simply looking for clicks/profits.
Genuinely interested to see where this one goes. Vince has always been unabashedly himself and I wonder how Guy's going to mesh with that.
Either way I am thrilled for more PK podcast content.
I'm trying to get a mixture of people onto the Pod - keep it fresh and interesting.
@@pkswarroom Long form content from the milkiest man in esports has been great and this conversation didn't disappoint.
Thank you to both you and Guy for the entertainment and thought provoking content you both continuously provide.
Watching this after the mana crypt ban is wild. PK talking about how death threats and such aren't big in card games and then the community proving him so very wrong. I think MWM was right its more a society thing than a specific scene
Good vid! I enjoyed the deeper chat and punching a goblin
Guardsman. Goblins are feral.
real one
'NEO-MARXIST' LABEL USED. JORDAN PETERSON FAN ON THE PODCAST.
Did Guy say that? I must have missed that in the edit. Neo-Marxist is often a term used by bullshit merchants to pedal bollocks.
Was really excited to hear about content creation from you both, gonna have to get Guy back on... Oh and I'd fight the Goblin!
Hey Guy - have you looked into Shadow War: Armageddon?
It's a good few years old now, but was a skirmish 40k format that was based on second edition - basically Necromunda95 using 40k models/squads.
(But it might also be too small)
Edit - just heard you mention Necromunda95, so maybe it's not too small.
I didn't know this was on Spotify but I'll be listening on there from now on!
Episode three (this one) will be up on Spotify today. Episode 4 will be out on UA-cam today, and Spotify later in the week.
It's such a pity that Guy used a Land Raider. Leman Russy, or Waking up at the crack of Rogal Dawn would be far funnier.
@46 It wasn't all the Germans. But saying it wasn't Germans is leaving a gate open for the space Nazis to become canon. 😕
This was awesome! I love both yours and Guy’s channels. Great video.
Mate where did you find meganob files?
I bought them printed - Stationforge's meganobs. Give that a google.
Midwinter minis! Love that channel!
Guy your shirt makes my heathen heart happy!
I want to add for the record, not that it's important, those right wing culture trolls who ask why we can't make detailed marble anymore? We can. We do.
Oh hell yeah! About to start setting up my new hobby space in a new house and stoked to have this to listen to. Love Guy's channel!
Welcome aboard!
Height comment from an American viewer of both your channels: im guessing the Professor is very tall, because I've always thought you were shorter because you look smaller next to him. (Or maybe it's camera angles?)
This is quite a disingenuous presentation of anyone who disagreed with the content of the video.
1. Talking about not playing as the real life bad guys while at the same time taking a sponsorship from world of warships was a poor choice.
2. There are no good guys in history. Why not make the point about playing as the allies being equally uncomfortable? It wasnt the nazis that dropped nuclear weapons on civilians.
The video was poorly thought out im afraid.
Not that, that in any way justifies any kind of personal attack of course.
The trouble was that inconsistency and the lack of logical application. Why paint a sherman tank in a video talking about how painting nazis is unpalletable, a sherman tank is a real life weapon of war that killed people, both military and civilian. The premise either works both ways or not at all.
And no im not defending nazis before any of that nonsense emerges.
Neither am I a historical wargamer.
Forgot to add that the allies included *checks notes* The Soviet Union...
So as this comment illustrates quite faithfully, the critique of the mwm video is kind of dumb and they're just mad at a person working through their complicated feelings of painting Nazis.
It's not that weird. If you felt personally attacked, that really says more about you than a toy soldier game and someone else's feelings.
@@infinitedm5396was this comment sponsered by world of warships?
It also perpetuates that the German armed forces were synonymous with the Nazi party, when there was significant distinction between the German army and the Nazi SS, which went so far as to having armed clashes between the two.
@@infinitedm5396 projection
Interesting to listen to the two of you reminiscing about older editions. It’s an intriguing thought to consider how the game morphed and changed long before I came into the hobby. Good podcast.
behemoth cool
Been blessed to bump into Guy at Games Expo, great bloke online and off. 😊
Oh, you charmer!
This was a fun podcast until you started talking about nazis and wokeness, how about you talk about warhammer instead, we get enough politics already from everywhere
@@tomasv8732 he should focus on being a faithful father and husband rather than virtue signalling over a poxy game
GREEN WOKIE WAAAAAAAAAGGHHH!!!!!
I dunno man, I remember the whole thing. Being really excited about midwinter minis making videos about bolt action. Because he had teased that he wanted to do some content with the dads Army miniatures during a copyright Battle with games workshop. And then when the video comes out it's like this weird mealymouthed are you a Nazi? Posing the question so many times... I mean there's an image from Father Ted (I think?) with all the regalia and comments like everyone knows that guy... who is a bit too into playing the Nazi's in the club. And then the sponsor being a game in which you play as Nazis and the Japanese, to which Guy read the script saying it was his favourite game. It was just a hot mess.
Even worse then you get cringeworthy historical debates in the comments. I mean all this talk of good Germans. You know how many millions of people were involved in the Holocaust? How almost every town in Germany had a death camp at the end of the war. That the allies could not even start to bring everyone to account for the murders because you'd have no one left to run the country. The Wehrmacht was murdering civilians from the day one, so really don't understand the squeamishness about the SS when in reality the regular German army was doing the same thing.
But that's why I hated the video so much, It's an awesome game with beautiful toy soldiers. I don't want any awkward political stuff seeping into it! It did feel like an attack by a bigger creator on a small community. The strangest thing was guys showing up on our tiny bolt action sub readit. Fucking bizarre. He clearly didn't take the negative feedback well.
Also, I'm Jewish. Grandparents were Holocaust survivors. I have an SS German army with all the regalia (I have every single army in the game!), because it's authentic, and they were in the setting. But it's as real as any Warhammer 40K game. Just with much better rules! Seriously there's very metal seeing elite fanatical SS guys getting gunned down in a hopeless cause (they're actually terrible on the table! too few activations, too many expensive upgrades.) It's not a re-enactment, it's still just a game. The war was almost 90 years ago.
I honestly can't believe that he got death threats from the Bolt action community. Frightening. I really didn't like a video but that's just on another level.
Acting like all Germans were responsible is just as disingenuous as Hitler blaming the Jews for the economic status as Germany. I wouldn't defend actual Nazis but blaming ALL Germans is kinda fucking racist.
Couldn't have said it better myself
The "death threats" thing is so over used. I think most people use this when they have a bad take to make themselves into the victim. Guy lost me after that video.
@@The.LastMelon he's still playing the victim now, he's doing uploads talking about family members that have died and his kids and stuff...like he didn't care about those kids when he cheated and walked out on them. My dad died a year ago but I'm not talking about it on UA-cam videos trying to get sympathy for it. He's a narcissist.
@@The.LastMelon The average bolt action player doesn't fit the profile in my opinion. A mild mannered history buff who goes the club on a Wednesday evening. We can't know for sure but it sounds unlikely.
1: I feel like a lot of wargamers are on the older side, and older people can sometimes be a little more aggressive about being called out
2: Let's not forget about the American Internment camps for Asian Americans
Specifically Japanese. We did not just haul away all Asians idiot. You clearly have or had a propagandist "History" teacher.
We never started them, we never worked any of them to death. False equivalency.
So let me get this straight. The same guys who have extrapolated some nonexistent opinion from mwm video and have now made it their personality to slander him in online spaces somehow deserve charity from him? The same dudes who go on random Reddit threads and UA-cam comments (even here) saying lies about how he left his wife and kids for some secret evil reason are the same ones who want to gate keep women from the hobby, and we’re gonna defend that? There is no pendulum, you’re a white man from England, you are the pendulum. You’ve experienced an iota of the negative attention from the right that others have and your response is to try to appease them? I get why you would want to, but I t doesn’t work like that. They don’t care, they will continue to attack you. I am not a fanatic for wanting to play a game how I like without being harassed, I am not a fanatic for defending my right to exist. If you’re defending that then it honestly sounds like you don’t want me to exist either. Not taking a stance is taking a stance and there’s nothing intelligent to be said about not caring about important issues. Loved pk’s dialogue and this was a very interesting interview, but wow am I disappointed in mwm’s responses
Also, lmao at replying to transrights with “people used to defend m wording people” What a nothing response, literally no they didn’t. Seems Terf-y to me
No one is gatekeeping women. SOME OF US JUST DONT WANT THE LORE CHANGED AND THEN FOR GW TO DENY THE CHANGE HAPPENED
THEN THE WEEK AFTER THEY RAISE PRICES.
yeah, imagine not wanting to wave any flag anywhere. He is an entertainer, a content creator, not a freaking political activist. Stop expecting everyone to voice their opinion on everything. Just like actors are not suitable to become experts on economics, a youtuber has usually little to no knowledge how things work. I do fully support granting people their rights, but that includes a right to not take definitive stance on anything if they don't want to. The way you treat this interview is itself a form of harrassment. Saying that, I do not agree with MWM wargaming video, but I do still support his right to voice his opinion or keep his mouth shut if he wants to. PK can shout whatever he wants, it is his right, but he has no right expecting this from others.
Lies? I'm pretty sure it was his wife who outed him about it all over Reddit. Or is that all made up by some mystery person who pretended to be her? I'm genuinely asking here because he's never come out and said it's all lies
Guy has some serious flaws as a content creator, given the absolute cold sick that was his (sponsored) historicals video, and as a man, given what he very publicly did to his ex-wife. So I do have mixed emotions seeing you hang out with him.
At the same time it's humanising to hear he nixed low quality projects because that must have cost real time and therefore money. Similarly as a second edition gamer I think he has the right take on the hobby and 40k, and he has good taste. He's done real good for the vintage community (I mean, he's not Olden Daemon, but he's still done big things). So, it was a good conversation and I'm glad you hosted it.
@@mediocreminis doesnt matter if they were married or not he left the mother of his 2 children to stick in his new assistant.
@mediocreminis penny was all over reddit talking about when it happened, so yes he absolutely did, and as a dad with a one year old it just appalled me. To be thinking about that with babies that age, and following through on it in a way that causes chaos for the mother and the babies, is just unconscionable to me and I cancelled my patreon and never looked back.
@mediocreminis oh i should say it's also dodgy as fuck that his replacement partner is his employee who takes instructions from him on what to build and paint. The whole thing is just not how a good dad behaves, I don't care what hypotheticals fans come up with.
Penny subsequently deleted her posts- which caused unbelievable backlash against him at the time - in an attempt to move on with her life and salvage some kind of coparenting situation. Meanwhile he continued shit talking her casually on videos about Christmas family plans etc. - just grotesque
@@mediocreminis it was all over Reddit mate, his ex partner posted it. I unsubscribed from him the moment I found out. His behaviour really hit home with me on a number of levels and I have zero respect for any man (or woman) that can do that to their partner. To then wave your new partner about like a shiny new toy on your UA-cam channel takes it to a whole new level.
50:00 at this point I wish Geedubs would just make female space marines a thing
I'm a cis guy, I don't really have strong feelings on the matter, I'm just so tired of the back and forth ya know?
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what a great episode.
I'm with Guy on historical wargaming. In historicals, you're making a game out of real peoples Worst Possible Day. Something about that has never sat right with me. That little toy soldier you're pushing around on the table top probably has very real, living family. That's a hell of a thing to have fun with. I cant imagine trying to explain to my grandad (god rest him) that I have fun by replaying the events that killed so many of his friends. Worse yet, I cant imagine following that up with "oh yea, and I play the guys who murdered your friends and tried to murder you"
soooo like where do we put the line with historicals? are the napoleonic ones bad as well or they don't count because no one's grandad from that time is around anymore? or medieval ones?
I dont think people game to literally reenact murdering people's ancestors ffs 🤦♂️ I mean I played a British army based on the conflicts in Egypt, not at any point was I thinking about my grandad being blown up driving his personnel wagon when he was over there in the black watch when I'm losing a game badly. It's a game. It's not like playing a game 70 years later has an impact on the past
"Everyone was stuck inside."
I'd have liked to have been stuck inside, but our boss had other ideas that involved working through both lockdowns.
Wow, how terrible you had to work for a living!? Shock, horror!
Really enjoyed the podcast. I listened to it instead of watching just wanted to come on here and leave a comment.
I would have really enjoyed sitting in having an ale.
Cheers
Thanks for listening. Genuinely. ❤️
Just something I’d like to say here re protest, I’m Jewish (well of decent).
I’m getting real sick of mobs running through cities blaming me for all the worlds ills, supporting our annihilation and blaming us for a conflict thousands of miles away.
It is a point of privilege for someone like you to talk about what are ostensibly hate marches every week as protected protest.
If you think Pro-Palestine marches are anti-Jewish marches, you are either incredibly misguided, or being disingenuous.
Being for the halting of a war that will eradicate a civilian population has literally nothing to do with being Jewish.
@@pkswarroom one, I am Jewish, and two they are anti Jewish marches.
Hearing people chant kayber kayber yahud marching through London is not fucking cool. Wanting to eradicate the worlds only Jewish state is not cool, calling Jews Nazis is not fucking cool ( and a hate crime under current legislation).
All this does is show your massive privilege, i thought peoples existence wasn't up for debate?
Even if you disagree with how the IDF is conducting the war against a genocidal terrorist organisation (which is nowhere near eradicating the 2.5 million people living in Gaza, and currently has a lower combatant to civilian casualty rate than almost any modern conflict (yes there is evidence for this, it was presented in the house of lords,not everything you see on tik tok is true) ) , it can be done without calls for violence or the promotion of terrorist groups, it isn't.
There is a reason that both BDS and the PSC are banned in most of western Europe (France and Germany being the main supporters of this), because the Pro-Palestine movement and the Marxists that support them are inherently antisemitic in their outlook and belief.
I would also like to ask, where are the marches for Burma or Sudan? or for the yazidis or assyrians? what about the nearly 100'000 Palestinians that were killed in the Syrian civil war? There wasn't, this has never been about war or the victims of conflict, it has always been a way to vent the worlds oldest hatred.
So now i will ask for an apology, would you call a POC being concerned about a national front march disingenuous? Would you say it's misguided for someone from the LGBTQ community to care about the activities of the Westborough Baptist church?
Why don't Jews count Vince?
@@pkswarroom"From the river to the sea" literally means "Kill every jew on this land.
It is a holdover from when the Jews that lived there initially were wiped out.
Jewish ethnicity, or belief, does not equal the Netanyahu Regime. Many protesters are themselves Jewish.
@SchalaZeal1 calling a race of people evil, nice 👍🏻
The cognitive dissonance here is mental, imagine being for social justice (I can assume) and also being a fucking nazi
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