Best times to avoid the crowds are April to the first half of May and September, October. In between those times are when students are out of school and whole families go on vacation making it a nightmare.
Nicely done. We have a house in Hurricane and have the luxury of easy access to this fantastic place. Being an off-roader, I can tell you that trail system is equally impressive around the Zion area. As beautiful as your videos were, being in or around Zion is surreal.
This is so helpful; I’m currently in the process of planning out a trip. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all this. It is much appreciated.
The last time I did Zion was in March and no shuttles were running. The higher Altitudes were still covered in snow. The valley though was in the 40's and 30's at night. Some people but not many. I drove up to Bryce and got into a blizzard. They got an additional 8 inches of wet snow. They closed the park, but I still camped at the campground. I was the only one there. The next morning it was sunny, and I had the entire park to myself for about 2-3 hours. I was the 1st to drive down roads still packed with snow and hike the trails. I got a ton of photos. I got to see Bryce in winter which was really cool. After leaving there I went to Lake Powell where I met up with the editors of Backpacker Magazine and did a hike with them. They were starting to drop the water level on Lake Powell and we went and did a side canyon that was not cover with water anymore. We were probably the 1st to hike that canyon since they flooded it with the lake. It was a good trip.
I hardly ever comment but THANK YOU. FANTASTIC video. Again, thank you brother; trying to convince my gf to join me along my previous escapades. This was great. Thank you!
Great video, as always. We visited Zion in May of 2022 and had a great time. Since we’re from the East Coast we just stayed on EDST which made it easy to be up and out of our hotel by 6:30 am and get to the visitor center parking area in time to be in line for the first park shuttle run of the day. We had traveled to Zion the day before, arriving just after lunch and there was zero parking available at the visitor center. So, yeah, parking fills up fast and stays full all day. There’s a separate shuttle system that runs back and forth through Springdale that drops people at the visitor center where you can then transfer over to the park shuttle system. If you’re staying at a hotel in Springdale this might be a good option.
I’ll definitely second the recommendation to bike into the canyon. Was there with the family (spouse + 2x kids) in fall of 2020. We had our bikes on the trip and weren’t keen on the shuttle due to COVID (pre-vax period) so made the call. It’s up-grade most of the way in but never steep. Nice way to see stretches of the canyon that just flash past on the shuttle. The way out, however, was a ride I’ll remember forever. Even though a bit worn from the angel’s landing hike, we carved our way down-canyon in the dying light of the day. Even caught and passed a few shuttles! Couldn’t have been better.
I drove from New Jersey cross America and stopped at some other national parks but my whole goal was to hike Angels Landing. My friends flew out to Vegas. We did it!! Such an amazing experience. I can’t wait to go back!!
Angel's Landing is an amazing hike. Typically I don't like really crowded hikes, but it's so beautiful and so much fun you don't care how many people are there. Love that hike.
Great summary of the park and some of the great hiking opportunities that it offers. Zion is very special for sure. As you noted just try and avoid the busy times of the year and more importantly get their early each day ; before 8am to avoid the large crowds.
Informative video. Love Zion …..even though it’s often crowded. Like your tip of the hat to Livehardxlovehard. I thought their idea of biking to the trailhead early to beat the crowds to the Narrows was a great idea……and a good way to avoid the crowd for a bottom up experience. Thanks again for your insights into this magical place.
Adam and Elise are good people. The bikes are definitely a great idea. We had a lot of it to ourselves just because we camped right off Big Spring and got started before the bottom up crowd got up that far. Always ways around the crowds. It just takes more work.
Another fantastic and informative video! I'd love to mention some of the East side trails (aside from Canyon Overlook). Alltrails shows about 25 trails on the East side (after the tunnel). I've managed to avoid crowds and even be alone on several. I suspect if people knew what they were missing on the East side, the main canyon would become less congested. I've spent three days day hiking just the East side and feel like I discovered the real Zion. Some hikes are super easy, other's super hard.
Jerry great info we have been there 6 time every time is different. Done most of the hikes in the park rangers turned me around on angels landing because of wind that sucked. Need to keep track of the weather in the narrows and it started raining 4.5 mile in. Stay safe and love your channel.
Well it looks like it was worth the effort because this was a great vid Jerry. So well thought out ultra organized. Highly highly recommend that bike in and out... it's such a great ride beneath the canyon walls! Dreaming of the day we can do the subway, but maybe just bottom up :)
Agreed on bikes! Last year my wife and I rented eBikes from Zion Outfitters for the day, and it was an absolute blast. We were completely alone the whole way up the main canyon, a really surreal and beautiful experience. Also meant we were avoiding the insane lines for the shuttle in mid-June, and thus also got to do more in a day (we biked in, hiked the Narrows, and biked back before lunch). Something to consider for anyone traveling far to see Zion, for me the memories of that day are totally worth the cost of the bike rentals.
I love the cut from Tina walking on the road like it's a trudge, then Adam rolling down the center of the road, no hands, like it's nothing. Thanks again for letting me use the clips!
Two of my absolute favorite hikes. Tina actually went back with a friend and did West Rim again while I was up in Zion hitting up some technical canyons. And Salt Creek was just mind blowing. Can't wait to get back and do them again.
@@JerryArizona You almost did one of my bucket list trips, the White Rim Road. Basically you drive to Musselman Arch & keep going. Thanks for letting us peeps tag along on your adventures, love your channel.
Great informative video and very well done. Preach “always changing” 💯 First visit Aug 1988 NO CROWDS everything stress free and this visit locked me in. This place perfectly reflects its name. We were completely alone at the summit of Angels Landing. It’s emotional and sensory overload. Bucket List Thanks Jerry!
Thank you. In all honesty, it took forever to put this together, but I like how it came out. Subway bottom up is punishing for the pay off. But the last mile is worth it. The 'waterfalls' in the red rock section of the creek just below the subway itself are particularly incredible and no one mentions them.
Hi Jerry and Tina, we are a couple from the Netherlands and have traveled to the United States a few times. We have fallen in love with the beautiful scenery of the Southwest of the United States. We absolutely love your videos! We really want to thank you for showing us the beauty Arizona, Utah etc have to offer. But we als appreciate your feedback on how to hike responsibly and what to do and what not when hiking. Zion is our favorite park ( been there 3 times but only for a short time so we will be back). We wanted to watch your video about the Taylor Creek trail but I can not find it. Can you tell us where we can find it? Thank you and thanks for bringing us joy. Greetings Raymond and Martine
Thank you. I think I may have taken that one down. It was pretty old and honestly wasn't that great. I'm sure there are other videos on the trail. It's pretty straightforward.
Sorry. I haven't tried the new permit system for Angel's. I believe you can check in for cancellations the day of at the backcountry desk at the main visitor's center though. I saw someone do that (unfortunately they didn't have any cancellations for the guy.) Another thought; you may want to ask them if you can hike it with a west rim trail permit. You can take West Rim up Angel's Landing or down from Lava Point and lots of people add Angel's Landing onto that trip. Actually have a permit for West Rim on that day. Maybe I'll see you there.
Awesome video and loved all the details ! Thanks a million! I was there about ten years ago and we horsebacked which was great fun! Everybody should visit the parks, imo! Happy traveling!
Great video! I was surprised you didn't talk about Parunuweap (although I guess most of that is technically east of the park boundary). The upper east side is the best part of Zion imo -- hikes like G2, Gifford, Destination, Hepworth, Roof, Mountain of the Sun, Progeny, South Aerial, Triplets, Jughandle Arch, Lost, Lonely, Separation Point, Many Pools, West Route Canal, etc etc etc so cool and you feel like you are out there with no one else
Yeah, I wanted to stick to what was inside the park. And I haven't done much (if anything, really) on the east side. Definitely on the list, and I think you just added to it with your comment. Much appreciated.
@@evanmartinez7381 Evan, I wouldn't really call any of those I listed as "family friendly". They are all off trail, with navigation skills required, and many times some class 3 sections. Many Pools is the one on the list that is for sure family friendly -- look this up on alltrails and you can see reviews with a map. I would recommend you definitely check out the dead tree that is shown as a waypoint on the map, and ascend up to the "saddle" before you turn around, to get good views to the north and see the backdoor route up to the Cable/Deertrap plateau
You're welcome. I've been so many times and remembered how daunting it seemed on my first trip, so I put this video together to help others out. Any specific questions, let me know.
Well, this was helpful. I was fully prepared for a two week trip throughout S Utah. Had zero idea that you needed permits to hike. Went on the website, AND all permits are reserved. Soooo, looks like you saved me a wasted trip. Guess its on the calendar for next year. Disappointing, but probably better than going and not being able to do anything
There are still hikes you can do without permits; narrows bottom up, canyon overlook, observation point (I think), emerald pools, etc. But a lot of them require permits, for sure. Maybe look into grand staircase escalante off Hole in the Rock Road. Tons to do out there and no permits required.
Great video. I got an Angels Landing permit for the Friday over Memorial Day weekend (don't know what the hell I was thinking!) I want to try an overnight in Verkin/Kolob Canyon if I can get a permit. Or maybe head to the East Rim. Have you been out there?
Haven't done East Rim, but I keep hearing it's great. Apparently some of the first miles are somewhat bland, but absolutely worth it overall. And Memorial Day? I get it. We did the Narrows on a holiday weekend. You go when you can get permits sometimes.
hello, love your channel! very helpful! do you know about the Observation Point? I thougt it was similar view to Angel's Landing? The trail within the Zion is closed due to rockfall. There are a few more routes from the East, through East Mesa trail in the Pondersa Ranch. Do you know if you can get to Observation Point from there? Thank you!
I know you can get to Observation Point from the east. I think East Rim Trail, but haven't done it yet. There is often rockfall closing Observation Point, which is actually why we haven't done it yet. I believe its pretty much across the main canyon from Angel's Landing. Supposed to be incredible.
You can get to Observation Point via East Mesa Trailhead. Highly recommend it. 7 miles out and back. The best view in all of Zion IMO. ua-cam.com/video/MGvugiRbh6w/v-deo.html
Zion is just something else! For those of you who aren't local like I am ;), it is pronounced Zy-inn, not Zy-onn. But anyway, Jerry PLEASE maybe try the Golden Cathedral off of Hole-in-the-Rock Road near Escalante, I'm looking at it to give it a try to go backpacking for Memorial Day weekend (I know, stupid idea to go during a holiday). I would really like to see your insight on the trail, if not, it would be super cool if you did Coyote Gulch from the Hurricane Wash side so I can see how to do it correctly. I ended up scrapping the trip when I almost made it to the confluence of Red Well and Hurricane Wash because the conditions were less than ideal and I just turned around. Love your videos man! Zion is truly beautiful and manna from heaven despite how crowded it is ;).
I've been wanting to do Golden Cathedral, but from the top down so I'd rappel through it. Unfortunately, the guy I normally canyoneer with did it last year and I couldn't go. It's on the list, but not sure how long it'll take to get there. I've done Coyote Gulch twice, but I went in Crack in the Wall and out at Jacob Hamblin both times. Not sure what it's like from Hurricane Wash.
Note: When hiking bottom up at the subway stay on the west side of the creek as much as possible cross to the east side when necessary then cross cross back to the west side again. There is a trial on the Westside that will make your hike better. About a mile before the subway which to the Eastside.
Good info. It's been a while since I've been there, and I just get this "go forward" frame of mind when I'm canyoneering, so half the time I don't bother looking for a trail.
Decades ago I visited, staying in the cabins, it was a sleepy small respected place. Wonder what came first; the decision to develop the Park further with huge visitor centers etc., or did the crowds come first? I think the development came first... Now hoards are ruining it. Hope a lottery system is implemented soon to reduce these unbelievable hoards.I admire the extraordinary work done on the paths, just beautiful!
Luckily, they seem to be heading more and more to permits. Permitting Angel's Landing was long over due. I can still find peace and solitude in Zion, but it takes a lot more work (and sometimes ropes!)
I was in Zion last October and the crowds were not bad. I don't know if that is typical of that time of year or if Covid was still having an effect on crowd volumes. Unfortunately I was basically driving through (staying one night) so I didn't have time to go up the main canyon. But I definitely want to get back there at some point this year.
Just got back from Zion. Beautiful place, too crowded for my liking. Parking at the visitor center is a crap shoot, but after 10-15 minutes I was able to snag one. I would avoid this place in summer. April was perfect weather.
The summer is when we like to break out the rappelling gear and hit up the wet canyons. Definitely cuts back on the crowds when a rope and harness are required for entry!
It's a shame it's so crowded these days. There is lots to see but if crowds bother you then you might want to go somewhere else. If you are a cyclist that is the best way to go up into the canyon- it's a fun ride, very scenic of course, and you only have to worry about a few buses. You don't have to worry about parking and can take your bike right up to the trailheads.
Thank you for making this! I am planning a hiking trip to U.S. national parks (I live in Finland) and this is really helpful as the rules etc. are very different than here and they seem to vary between different parks also. On a sidetone, if you hate the crowds, welcome to hike in Finland. A crowd here is when you see 10 people on a 5 mile trail :D
Unfortunately, I don't have an RV, so I don't know much about them. I do not recall seeing RV parking at the visitor center, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Google Earth is a good way to see for yourself. Also try the park website. Sorry I can't be much more help on that subject.
There were two spots we swam, but if we had been more patient, we could've waited in line and maybe only gotten in up to our waists. Otherwise, it was normally ankle to knee deep. But that will change somewhat, depending on the river flow. I'd plan worst case you may swim (for a very short section), but ask for current conditions at the back country desk.
Thx for tips. Im here now, Its a pretty place but way too much paperwork and hassle to do things. And the $6 fee for a chance at a permit thats non returnable seems like a money maker. I applied 3 times $18 got nothing, how many thousands of people are doing the same. Very scenic place though.
It's an amazing place. But it's also really, really crowded. Especially the popular hikes. Sorry about the permit luck. It can be complicated, for sure. Maybe just go to the backcountry desk and ask what's available. You may get lucky with a less popular hike or cancellation.
I'm not a fan of crowds, but there are ways around them. Backpacking helps. West Rim and Narrows, when backpacking, have areas that get crowded, but large sections you have to yourself that make it worth it, imo.
Depends on the children and how tolerant they are to hiking. I would think Emerald Pools, Canyon Overlook and Riverwalk would be safe bets. If they are more used to hiking, maybe up to the saddle at Angel's Landing (but not up the chains.) Taylor Creek would be easy as well. I think they'd have fun in the narrows and you can always turn around when you've had enough; just remember you have to walk back as far as you walked in. Unfortunately, I don't have an RV, so I haven't paid any attention to where you can park one. There is the tunnel to take into consideration. Pretty sure it isn't wide enough for two way traffic given the width of most RV's. I know they will stop traffic one way to let people through but I'm not familiar with the policy there.
Thanks for such a excellent review for Zion. I had planned on a 5 day hike through Zion and then Covid hit the planet, I will get it once things settle down and will follow your points. My son and I have done Hop Valley which is what is bringing me back to Zion, I too love Zion too continually come back to fully explore. Thanks again Jerry and Tina!
It's a relatively new thing (like maybe the past 5 years?). I'm super cautious with water, so I've brought my own or filtered at springs in that area. I'd recommend calling a BLM office in the area or the park itself to get more information.
Depends on what you're doing. Winter is cold but can have lower crowds. But obviously hikes in the water are cold and there is ice and snow that can make some hikes more dangerous. Spring is cool with less chance of snow/ice, but the spring run off makes the canyons with water dangerous. Summer is brutally hot, but can be perfect for technical canyons where you're in the water more. Fall is cooler, but early fall/late summer can bring monsoons and flooding. If you just want to hike the 'standard' trails, I would recommend spring or fall.
Help!!! My husband (non-experienced hiker) wants to hike angels landing with our 1 year old in a carrier backpack. I don’t agree and I am afraid it is unsafe. Please advise, anyone?
I would not recommend this for a non-experienced hiker, much less one with a 1 year old strapped on their back. If that isn't enough to deter him, then I have to ask why? Why bring a child on a hike that's on the 10 most dangerous hikes in the world list? Even if it all goes well, it's not like the child will remember the experience. Take the kid on riverside walk or one of the other mellower hikes if you want them to experience nature.
@@JerryArizonagood reply Jerry. Your demeanor on this video is more subdued than usual. Like you were in a deep reflective mood. Those moments are valuable and rich. Hey Jerry, the Angel’s Landing hike scares me so I want to do it. It makes me angry that a hike scares me. Straight up Jerry- how difficult is the hike? I’ll be in Zion for my first time November 12-14. Thinking of Scout Trail as my first hike. Check out Angel’s Landing. Hope you’re well. Peace.
Not really. There are some smaller 'swimming holes' along the creek downstream from Pine Creek. You can park along the road (after the long tunnel and partway down the switchbacks) then hike down to the creek. Right around 37.21455, -112.95772. Park, cross the road and look for a faint trail going down into the canyon.
@@JerryArizona ohh yea we had to turn back around before making it to the subway and underestimated the accent back, we made it out fine but definitely sore the next day
"...open sores....they should probably go to the doctor." That made me laugh so hard! 😆 On another note, you have me curious about canyoneering. Wasn't ever that interested until I started watching your videos. 👍👍
Canyoneering is so much fun. And you get to see places no one else gets to see. I highly recommend taking courses with people who have the proper training to get into it.
Guess I am the only one that feels like this was helpful but still kinda overwhelming. . .all this paperwork and permits and this and that just cause I wanna go hiking and escape from reality.
It can be overwhelming. That's actually why I wanted to make this video. But I'm also a fan of permit systems for popular places like this. It really helps maintain the wilderness feel for the harder to reach places. Not to mention it helps people from getting in over their heads. That said, if you have any specific questions, I would be happy to do my best to help you out.
It will be crowded. That's just Zion. Wake up early, go a little later (bring a headlamp) or try (if you have the experience) tougher routes. There are ways around the crowds.
Best times to avoid the crowds are April to the first half of May and September, October. In between those times are when students are out of school and whole families go on vacation making it a nightmare.
fantastic video, we need one of these for every US national park
Wish I had enough PTO (and energy) to do them!
I shit u not, I am going to zion in less than two weeks for the first time and this just got posted! absolutely stoked
You'll love it. The crowds are there, for sure, but there are always ways around them.
Nicely done. We have a house in Hurricane and have the luxury of easy access to this fantastic place. Being an off-roader, I can tell you that trail system is equally impressive around the Zion area. As beautiful as your videos were, being in or around Zion is surreal.
This is so helpful; I’m currently in the process of planning out a trip. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all this. It is much appreciated.
The last time I did Zion was in March and no shuttles were running. The higher Altitudes were still covered in snow. The valley though was in the 40's and 30's at night. Some people but not many. I drove up to Bryce and got into a blizzard. They got an additional 8 inches of wet snow. They closed the park, but I still camped at the campground. I was the only one there. The next morning it was sunny, and I had the entire park to myself for about 2-3 hours. I was the 1st to drive down roads still packed with snow and hike the trails. I got a ton of photos. I got to see Bryce in winter which was really cool. After leaving there I went to Lake Powell where I met up with the editors of Backpacker Magazine and did a hike with them. They were starting to drop the water level on Lake Powell and we went and did a side canyon that was not cover with water anymore. We were probably the 1st to hike that canyon since they flooded it with the lake. It was a good trip.
Sounds incredible. Also kind of sad. I was by there recently and I swear you can walk to Lone Rock now....
Thanks for the humor and sharing your out takes/ bloopers. Very entertaining
That's the best Zion video that I've seen. Thanks for making it!
Wow when I went to Zion was years ago middle 80s you could go and come as you wanted .It was one of my favorite place to go.
It's definitely over crowded on the popular trails. Luckily, with a rope or a backpack, I can find solitude up there any time I want it.
I hardly ever comment but THANK YOU. FANTASTIC video. Again, thank you brother; trying to convince my gf to join me along my previous escapades. This was great. Thank you!
You're welcome. Hopefully she agrees, because Zion is amazing.
Haha your outakes bring me comfort.
Thank You for this video, I’m going there in a few weeks and now I know what to expect, when to get there and where to go. You’re Awesome, Thanks!
Glad it helped. Zion is confusing on your first visit. Any questions, just ask.
@@JerryArizona Thank You!! Can’t wait to see it or at least the areas without a permit for this trip. Your videos are very informative, Thanks!
Great video, as always. We visited Zion in May of 2022 and had a great time. Since we’re from the East Coast we just stayed on EDST which made it easy to be up and out of our hotel by 6:30 am and get to the visitor center parking area in time to be in line for the first park shuttle run of the day. We had traveled to Zion the day before, arriving just after lunch and there was zero parking available at the visitor center. So, yeah, parking fills up fast and stays full all day. There’s a separate shuttle system that runs back and forth through Springdale that drops people at the visitor center where you can then transfer over to the park shuttle system. If you’re staying at a hotel in Springdale this might be a good option.
Perfect timing! Heading there in a couple weeks.
I’ll definitely second the recommendation to bike into the canyon. Was there with the family (spouse + 2x kids) in fall of 2020. We had our bikes on the trip and weren’t keen on the shuttle due to COVID (pre-vax period) so made the call. It’s up-grade most of the way in but never steep. Nice way to see stretches of the canyon that just flash past on the shuttle. The way out, however, was a ride I’ll remember forever. Even though a bit worn from the angel’s landing hike, we carved our way down-canyon in the dying light of the day. Even caught and passed a few shuttles! Couldn’t have been better.
Most informative video, most appreciated for all the knowledge from someone who has never been to Zion. Thank you for all the effort!!
Super helpful, great to know about the permit system. Thanks!
Great video, this is the info I need thanks! I liked seeing that escape campervan too, thinking about picking one of those up for the trip to Zion.
Great information but the bloopers at the end are the best 😄
I love hiking there!!!! Done a few and can't wait to get back!!!! Want to do the Narrows next
Great Presentation, THANK YOU for adding the OUT TAKES 😂
Thanks! My 'presentations' usually consist of 50% information, 50% mistakes. Thank god for editing.
I drove from New Jersey cross America and stopped at some other national parks but my whole goal was to hike Angels Landing. My friends flew out to Vegas. We did it!! Such an amazing experience. I can’t wait to go back!!
Angel's Landing is an amazing hike. Typically I don't like really crowded hikes, but it's so beautiful and so much fun you don't care how many people are there. Love that hike.
Great summary of the park and some of the great hiking opportunities that it offers. Zion is very special for sure. As you noted just try and avoid the busy times of the year and more importantly get their early each day ; before 8am to avoid the large crowds.
Informative video. Love Zion …..even though it’s often crowded. Like your tip of the hat to Livehardxlovehard. I thought their idea of biking to the trailhead early to beat the crowds to the Narrows was a great idea……and a good way to avoid the crowd for a bottom up experience. Thanks again for your insights into this magical place.
Adam and Elise are good people. The bikes are definitely a great idea. We had a lot of it to ourselves just because we camped right off Big Spring and got started before the bottom up crowd got up that far. Always ways around the crowds. It just takes more work.
Zion is really beautiful. Just so crowded
Great in site and helpful information! We are planning on doing this in Oct 2024. This helps a lot!
Any questions, let me know.
Another fantastic and informative video! I'd love to mention some of the East side trails (aside from Canyon Overlook). Alltrails shows about 25 trails on the East side (after the tunnel). I've managed to avoid crowds and even be alone on several. I suspect if people knew what they were missing on the East side, the main canyon would become less congested. I've spent three days day hiking just the East side and feel like I discovered the real Zion. Some hikes are super easy, other's super hard.
We're eyeballing the east side (and some off trail in the north end). So much to see in Zion.
Really well made video! Zion is indeed a great place!
Jerry great info we have been there 6 time every time is different. Done most of the hikes in the park rangers turned me around on angels landing because of wind that sucked. Need to keep track of the weather in the narrows and it started raining 4.5 mile in. Stay safe and love your channel.
Great video.
One of the most thrilling rappels of my life was in Pine Creek, and I’m not talking about the Cathedral.
That last rap is what put Tina off from canyoneering! Scared the s@$t out of her. I love it. Done it 3 times so far.
Well it looks like it was worth the effort because this was a great vid Jerry. So well thought out ultra organized. Highly highly recommend that bike in and out... it's such a great ride beneath the canyon walls! Dreaming of the day we can do the subway, but maybe just bottom up :)
Love your guy’s videos….riding bikes to the Narrows trailhead early for a non crowded bottom up experience is a great idea.
Agreed on bikes! Last year my wife and I rented eBikes from Zion Outfitters for the day, and it was an absolute blast. We were completely alone the whole way up the main canyon, a really surreal and beautiful experience. Also meant we were avoiding the insane lines for the shuttle in mid-June, and thus also got to do more in a day (we biked in, hiked the Narrows, and biked back before lunch). Something to consider for anyone traveling far to see Zion, for me the memories of that day are totally worth the cost of the bike rentals.
Love your videos! You guys inspire ❤️
I love the cut from Tina walking on the road like it's a trudge, then Adam rolling down the center of the road, no hands, like it's nothing. Thanks again for letting me use the clips!
I think my favorite video of yours is the West Rim Trail, I've probably watched it 5 times, sweet hike. Salt Creek is a close 2nd.
Two of my absolute favorite hikes. Tina actually went back with a friend and did West Rim again while I was up in Zion hitting up some technical canyons. And Salt Creek was just mind blowing. Can't wait to get back and do them again.
@@JerryArizona You almost did one of my bucket list trips, the White Rim Road. Basically you drive to Musselman Arch & keep going. Thanks for letting us peeps tag along on your adventures, love your channel.
Great informative video and very well done. Preach “always changing” 💯 First visit Aug 1988 NO CROWDS everything stress free and this visit locked me in. This place perfectly reflects its name. We were completely alone at the summit of Angels Landing. It’s emotional and sensory overload. Bucket List Thanks Jerry!
Thanks for all the great info!
We loved Zion. Great informative video. Giggles at the end. 😅
Best video ever about Zion. Thanks so much for the tips!!
Great video. Super helpful
Great video Jerry! Subway….bottom up looks great! You can tell the amount of thought and time you put into this video!
Thank you. In all honesty, it took forever to put this together, but I like how it came out. Subway bottom up is punishing for the pay off. But the last mile is worth it. The 'waterfalls' in the red rock section of the creek just below the subway itself are particularly incredible and no one mentions them.
Thanks Jerry that was super helpful!
Thank you, very clear and informative. 🤘
thank you for making this video - the most informative we've watched!
Hi Jerry and Tina, we are a couple from the Netherlands and have traveled to the United States a few times. We have fallen in love with the beautiful scenery of the Southwest of the United States. We absolutely love your videos! We really want to thank you for showing us the beauty Arizona, Utah etc have to offer. But we als appreciate your feedback on how to hike responsibly and what to do and what not when hiking.
Zion is our favorite park ( been there 3 times but only for a short time so we will be back). We wanted to watch your video about the Taylor Creek trail but I can not find it. Can you tell us where we can find it? Thank you and thanks for bringing us joy. Greetings Raymond and Martine
Thank you. I think I may have taken that one down. It was pretty old and honestly wasn't that great. I'm sure there are other videos on the trail. It's pretty straightforward.
This is a great resource! Canyoneering is my favorite Zion activity, but I haven’t done most of these hikes. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I need HEAPS under my belt. Also respectfully terrified of the thought of it....Love canyoneering up there.
Thanks for all these info. They are gold for the trip I'm planning.
Any questions, feel free to ask.
Very helpful, thx!
Thank you for your video. 🙏🏼
This was very helpful!!
Zion is beautiful
One of my favorite places.
Any advise on getting Angels Lading Permit?. I am going Veterans Day weekend November 12,2022. Thanks in advance and I do enjoy all your videos.
Sorry. I haven't tried the new permit system for Angel's. I believe you can check in for cancellations the day of at the backcountry desk at the main visitor's center though. I saw someone do that (unfortunately they didn't have any cancellations for the guy.) Another thought; you may want to ask them if you can hike it with a west rim trail permit. You can take West Rim up Angel's Landing or down from Lava Point and lots of people add Angel's Landing onto that trip. Actually have a permit for West Rim on that day. Maybe I'll see you there.
The hike to Kolob Arch is nice and there are campsites on the trail if you don’t want to do it as a 14 mile day hike.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful and informative. I am planning to visit Zion at the end of April.
Awesome video and loved all the details ! Thanks a million! I was there about ten years ago and we horsebacked which was great fun! Everybody should visit the parks, imo! Happy traveling!
Great video! I was surprised you didn't talk about Parunuweap (although I guess most of that is technically east of the park boundary). The upper east side is the best part of Zion imo -- hikes like G2, Gifford, Destination, Hepworth, Roof, Mountain of the Sun, Progeny, South Aerial, Triplets, Jughandle Arch, Lost, Lonely, Separation Point, Many Pools, West Route Canal, etc etc etc so cool and you feel like you are out there with no one else
Yeah, I wanted to stick to what was inside the park. And I haven't done much (if anything, really) on the east side. Definitely on the list, and I think you just added to it with your comment. Much appreciated.
@@JerryArizona There's a lot of cool stuff on the upper east side of Zion
Out of all those trails, which is the best under 5 miles?? Looking for a family friendly hike
@@evanmartinez7381 Evan, I wouldn't really call any of those I listed as "family friendly". They are all off trail, with navigation skills required, and many times some class 3 sections. Many Pools is the one on the list that is for sure family friendly -- look this up on alltrails and you can see reviews with a map. I would recommend you definitely check out the dead tree that is shown as a waypoint on the map, and ascend up to the "saddle" before you turn around, to get good views to the north and see the backdoor route up to the Cable/Deertrap plateau
Thanks for the info! My wife and I will be going for our first time to film a wedding in April. Excited for the Narrows!!
You'll love Zion. Incredible place.
thanks for the info
You're welcome. I've been so many times and remembered how daunting it seemed on my first trip, so I put this video together to help others out. Any specific questions, let me know.
The bloopers lol
O/w it's very informative. Excellent video
Well, this was helpful. I was fully prepared for a two week trip throughout S Utah. Had zero idea that you needed permits to hike. Went on the website, AND all permits are reserved. Soooo, looks like you saved me a wasted trip. Guess its on the calendar for next year. Disappointing, but probably better than going and not being able to do anything
There are still hikes you can do without permits; narrows bottom up, canyon overlook, observation point (I think), emerald pools, etc. But a lot of them require permits, for sure. Maybe look into grand staircase escalante off Hole in the Rock Road. Tons to do out there and no permits required.
This was such a well constructed and informational video. Thanks for making this!
great video!
Great video. I got an Angels Landing permit for the Friday over Memorial Day weekend (don't know what the hell I was thinking!) I want to try an overnight in Verkin/Kolob Canyon if I can get a permit. Or maybe head to the East Rim. Have you been out there?
Haven't done East Rim, but I keep hearing it's great. Apparently some of the first miles are somewhat bland, but absolutely worth it overall. And Memorial Day? I get it. We did the Narrows on a holiday weekend. You go when you can get permits sometimes.
This whole thing is so well done. Great park coverage and super information. Greatly needed and so much appreciated.
Excellent video, extremely informative. Thank you.
hello, love your channel! very helpful! do you know about the Observation Point? I thougt it was similar view to Angel's Landing? The trail within the Zion is closed due to rockfall. There are a few more routes from the East, through East Mesa trail in the Pondersa Ranch. Do you know if you can get to Observation Point from there? Thank you!
I know you can get to Observation Point from the east. I think East Rim Trail, but haven't done it yet. There is often rockfall closing Observation Point, which is actually why we haven't done it yet. I believe its pretty much across the main canyon from Angel's Landing. Supposed to be incredible.
You can get to Observation Point via East Mesa Trailhead. Highly recommend it. 7 miles out and back. The best view in all of Zion IMO.
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Zion is just something else! For those of you who aren't local like I am ;), it is pronounced Zy-inn, not Zy-onn. But anyway, Jerry PLEASE maybe try the Golden Cathedral off of Hole-in-the-Rock Road near Escalante, I'm looking at it to give it a try to go backpacking for Memorial Day weekend (I know, stupid idea to go during a holiday). I would really like to see your insight on the trail, if not, it would be super cool if you did Coyote Gulch from the Hurricane Wash side so I can see how to do it correctly. I ended up scrapping the trip when I almost made it to the confluence of Red Well and Hurricane Wash because the conditions were less than ideal and I just turned around. Love your videos man! Zion is truly beautiful and manna from heaven despite how crowded it is ;).
I've been wanting to do Golden Cathedral, but from the top down so I'd rappel through it. Unfortunately, the guy I normally canyoneer with did it last year and I couldn't go. It's on the list, but not sure how long it'll take to get there. I've done Coyote Gulch twice, but I went in Crack in the Wall and out at Jacob Hamblin both times. Not sure what it's like from Hurricane Wash.
Note: When hiking bottom up at the subway stay on the west side of the creek as much as possible cross to the east side when necessary then cross cross back to the west side again. There is a trial on the Westside that will make your hike better. About a mile before the subway which to the Eastside.
Good info. It's been a while since I've been there, and I just get this "go forward" frame of mind when I'm canyoneering, so half the time I don't bother looking for a trail.
Decades ago I visited, staying in the cabins, it was a sleepy small respected place. Wonder what came first; the decision to develop the Park further with huge visitor centers etc., or did the crowds come first? I think the development came first... Now hoards are ruining it. Hope a lottery system is implemented soon to reduce these unbelievable hoards.I admire the extraordinary work done on the paths, just beautiful!
Luckily, they seem to be heading more and more to permits. Permitting Angel's Landing was long over due. I can still find peace and solitude in Zion, but it takes a lot more work (and sometimes ropes!)
I was in Zion last October and the crowds were not bad. I don't know if that is typical of that time of year or if Covid was still having an effect on crowd volumes. Unfortunately I was basically driving through (staying one night) so I didn't have time to go up the main canyon. But I definitely want to get back there at some point this year.
Been there many, many times. Sometimes the crowds are less. Definitely worth going back and spending more time.
Very informative. Thanks!
Just got back from Zion. Beautiful place, too crowded for my liking. Parking at the visitor center is a crap shoot, but after 10-15 minutes I was able to snag one. I would avoid this place in summer. April was perfect weather.
The summer is when we like to break out the rappelling gear and hit up the wet canyons. Definitely cuts back on the crowds when a rope and harness are required for entry!
It's a shame it's so crowded these days. There is lots to see but if crowds bother you then you might want to go somewhere else. If you are a cyclist that is the best way to go up into the canyon- it's a fun ride, very scenic of course, and you only have to worry about a few buses. You don't have to worry about parking and can take your bike right up to the trailheads.
Great video!
Thank you for making this! I am planning a hiking trip to U.S. national parks (I live in Finland) and this is really helpful as the rules etc. are very different than here and they seem to vary between different parks also. On a sidetone, if you hate the crowds, welcome to hike in Finland. A crowd here is when you see 10 people on a 5 mile trail :D
I'd love to hike Finland! I have a very loooooong list of places I need to hike though.
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Great info
Are there parking spots for RVs at the visitor center? And do I get the permit to drive through the tunnels with an RV also at the visitors center?
Unfortunately, I don't have an RV, so I don't know much about them. I do not recall seeing RV parking at the visitor center, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. Google Earth is a good way to see for yourself. Also try the park website. Sorry I can't be much more help on that subject.
Thanks!!!
When you went to narrows , the water was cold, how deep ? 🙏
There were two spots we swam, but if we had been more patient, we could've waited in line and maybe only gotten in up to our waists. Otherwise, it was normally ankle to knee deep. But that will change somewhat, depending on the river flow. I'd plan worst case you may swim (for a very short section), but ask for current conditions at the back country desk.
Thx for tips. Im here now, Its a pretty place but way too much paperwork and hassle to do things. And the $6 fee for a chance at a permit thats non returnable seems like a money maker. I applied 3 times $18 got nothing, how many thousands of people are doing the same. Very scenic place though.
It's an amazing place. But it's also really, really crowded. Especially the popular hikes. Sorry about the permit luck. It can be complicated, for sure. Maybe just go to the backcountry desk and ask what's available. You may get lucky with a less popular hike or cancellation.
Despise all of the people in Zion....Scored a permit for Paria, June 17th...taking my niece and nephew...it will be their 2nd backpacking trip...
I'm not a fan of crowds, but there are ways around them. Backpacking helps. West Rim and Narrows, when backpacking, have areas that get crowded, but large sections you have to yourself that make it worth it, imo.
What trails are good for children 9-13 years old? And best place to park an 30’ RV?
Depends on the children and how tolerant they are to hiking. I would think Emerald Pools, Canyon Overlook and Riverwalk would be safe bets. If they are more used to hiking, maybe up to the saddle at Angel's Landing (but not up the chains.) Taylor Creek would be easy as well. I think they'd have fun in the narrows and you can always turn around when you've had enough; just remember you have to walk back as far as you walked in. Unfortunately, I don't have an RV, so I haven't paid any attention to where you can park one. There is the tunnel to take into consideration. Pretty sure it isn't wide enough for two way traffic given the width of most RV's. I know they will stop traffic one way to let people through but I'm not familiar with the policy there.
how much is for shuttle
planning on November
Thanks for such a excellent review for Zion. I had planned on a 5 day hike through Zion and then Covid hit the planet, I will get it once things settle down and will follow your points. My son and I have done Hop Valley which is what is bringing me back to Zion, I too love Zion too continually come back to fully explore. Thanks again Jerry and Tina!
What are your thoughts on cyanobloom in general? Are we safe to backpacking filter water in places outside the park?
It's a relatively new thing (like maybe the past 5 years?). I'm super cautious with water, so I've brought my own or filtered at springs in that area. I'd recommend calling a BLM office in the area or the park itself to get more information.
Thank you Jerry!
best time of the year to visit? im thinking i wanna go in the fall.
Depends on what you're doing. Winter is cold but can have lower crowds. But obviously hikes in the water are cold and there is ice and snow that can make some hikes more dangerous. Spring is cool with less chance of snow/ice, but the spring run off makes the canyons with water dangerous. Summer is brutally hot, but can be perfect for technical canyons where you're in the water more. Fall is cooler, but early fall/late summer can bring monsoons and flooding. If you just want to hike the 'standard' trails, I would recommend spring or fall.
@@JerryArizona thank you :)) i think im gonna do fall then!
The bloopers are the best part, for sure. "You should probably go to a doctor..."
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I'm there right now bro :0
Enjoy!
Is July a good month to visit Zion?
It will be very hot. It depends on what you are planning to hike. I usually do the technical canyons where I'm in the water in the summer time.
Help!!! My husband (non-experienced hiker) wants to hike angels landing with our 1 year old in a carrier backpack. I don’t agree and I am afraid it is unsafe. Please advise, anyone?
I would not recommend this for a non-experienced hiker, much less one with a 1 year old strapped on their back. If that isn't enough to deter him, then I have to ask why? Why bring a child on a hike that's on the 10 most dangerous hikes in the world list? Even if it all goes well, it's not like the child will remember the experience. Take the kid on riverside walk or one of the other mellower hikes if you want them to experience nature.
@@JerryArizonagood reply Jerry. Your demeanor on this video is more subdued than usual. Like you were in a deep reflective mood. Those moments are valuable and rich. Hey Jerry, the Angel’s Landing hike scares me so I want to do it. It makes me angry that a hike scares me. Straight up Jerry- how difficult is the hike? I’ll be in Zion for my first time November 12-14. Thinking of Scout Trail as my first hike. Check out Angel’s Landing. Hope you’re well. Peace.
Been watching a lot of videos and starting to get bummed to the point where I say to he'll with it. I don't want a vacation to be a pain in the ass.
Is there place to swim at Zion ?
Not really. There are some smaller 'swimming holes' along the creek downstream from Pine Creek. You can park along the road (after the long tunnel and partway down the switchbacks) then hike down to the creek. Right around 37.21455, -112.95772. Park, cross the road and look for a faint trail going down into the canyon.
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we went to zion over spring break (we have never hiked before) and we decided to do the Left Fork trail and we did get in over are head ahhaahaha
I bet! Not a beginner hike. Glad you made it out OK.
@@JerryArizona ohh yea we had to turn back around before making it to the subway and underestimated the accent back, we made it out fine but definitely sore the next day
"...open sores....they should probably go to the doctor." That made me laugh so hard! 😆 On another note, you have me curious about canyoneering. Wasn't ever that interested until I started watching your videos. 👍👍
Canyoneering is so much fun. And you get to see places no one else gets to see. I highly recommend taking courses with people who have the proper training to get into it.
Man it sure looks different in Fallout New Vegas
Guess I am the only one that feels like this was helpful but still kinda overwhelming. . .all this paperwork and permits and this and that just cause I wanna go hiking and escape from reality.
It can be overwhelming. That's actually why I wanted to make this video. But I'm also a fan of permit systems for popular places like this. It really helps maintain the wilderness feel for the harder to reach places. Not to mention it helps people from getting in over their heads. That said, if you have any specific questions, I would be happy to do my best to help you out.
im going to zion next week, my only fear is there being too many people
It will be crowded. That's just Zion. Wake up early, go a little later (bring a headlamp) or try (if you have the experience) tougher routes. There are ways around the crowds.
Has anyone told you that you look like Bill Simmons?
Only you. But after Googling him, I can see a resemblance. He IS a good looking dude.
@@JerryArizona Haha that's amazing
I'm heading to Zion for my honeymoon in May so this was very helpful! Thanks!
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