This New Motorhome Is THE WAY to Go! Here Is How the V8 RV Compares to the Older V10
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Beautifully done motorhome... Wow!...Big price!!..almost spilled the coffee!!😁my Dads motorhome was just 20 ft Ford van chassis set up... thanks Andre!
nobody pays MSRP for a RV.
$175k or less isn’t that much! As mentioned these are not the most expensive. Look at it this way... if you had been one of the many who invested $1000 in Spotify, or in Cisco years ago, you would have about 10 million now. It’s all relative, it’s only money, and you can’t take it with you.
@@Erin-Thor ridiculous
@@mruofacat - Want to compare my house and life to yours and rethink that? LOL! My CISCO $10k investment alone turned into over 8 million in 10 years. Ridiculous my bum. 😎
Interesting use of 2011-2014 of dodge charger headlights with ford f-series powertrain and dashboard.
I've seen others that use RAM 1500 headlights
@@JM-nz8gw I remember when they used Chevy Suburban headlights. So odd how they make these mismatch decisions
@@minivanmaster I believe it’s due to DOT certification being so expensive. Cheaper to purchase some already certified lights.
Exactly. All that money and they can't be bothered to engineer their own lights.
In the 90s some manufacturers used headlights from the 1992-1996(7) Ford F-series trucks too.
I paid $2500 for my 36’ diesel pusher class A motorhome. Still had to put another $13k into fixing it up. Oh and it’s a 1996. 🤣 Nice rigs, great review video!
You bought it basically for the engine and frame! Everyone guts them and realizes they don't have the skill to put it back together. There's a few air streams around here like that! Good you got yours back together though.
@@keshmo12 just an engine and frame ? LMAO ! you know it's a BUS style body and not a truck, right ? He still got a good deal for what he has. I'd take it over the two above in a heartbeat
Just add the 3.0 Whipple to the 7.3L and you’re good to go.
Until the trans blows with that kind of power hauling that much weight 😂
@@travisb9130 put the volvo ishift dual clutch on it lol
I will take the older V 10 my motorhome pulls the grapevine 55 mph at 3500 RPM pulling the Jeep behind it just fine only sounds like it works hard when you’re trying to get it up over 60 going up a really steep grade other than that on flat ground V 10 is a dream
Andre, you are hounds down, without a doubt the best, most informative and entertaining truck reviewer ever. Thanks for all your hard work!
Best regards, Lloyd C.
^^^ "hands down!" ^^^
Blows my mind that a $16,000 Toyota Corolla comes with modern LED headlights and yet a $147,000 RV still uses garbage halogens...
Car are designed to be moving all the time, but these RVs are built to be sitting somewhere all the time
@@yzhang8629 I beg to differ. There’s different types of RV lifestyles. Some people might sit for long periods of time at one location, but others (like me) are on the move every couple of days.
@@fidgetthedalmation7433 I believe “RV is designed to be sitting all the time” is an excuse used by all major RV manufactures, otherwise they won’t build motorhomes to the maximum GVWR with thin sway bar and weak steering stabilizer, and trailers with the so-called “Chinese bomb” cheap weak tires.
@@yzhang8629 Oh, okay, I understand now. Sorry. It’s difficult to know whether people are serious or sarcastic through text.
Somebody had to use that supply of last gen Dodge Charger headlights lol
Very, very well done, Andre. I always enjoy the motorhome videos, and you do them well.
Ya know, I get that you'll have slightly more power and possibly better mileage. But what about reliability? That V10 is bullet proof at this point. They had the spark plug issues in older models, but now they just go forever.
Ford was very conservative with designing the 7.3. It seems like a great engine. No real problems yet.
Except for maybe lifter problem🤦♂️
Wow, they both have Dodge Charger headlights! Its always a fun game while on a road trip to guess what vehicle the headlights and taillights were sourced from on a motorhome!
This is common in the coach arena. It means the coach builder doesn't have to go through certification for their own headlights.
Lmao right! I always do this!
The couch pulls out, but I don't.
SO glad we bought our class C in fall of 2019 (2020 model) with legacy Ford V-10. They were dealing on motorhomes then with no crazy shortages.
My go-to mechanic works on small transit buses with the Ford V-10. He said they are very reliable, easy to work on and time tested... the engine production lasted 20 years for good reason.
Installing Noico and Kilmat is a MUST for sound insulation... small motorhomes are brutally noisy!!
I just recently had the chance to drive 2 26 foot Uhauls recently from Summerville Georgia to Pelion South Carolina. The old 6.8 was amazing as far as hauling weight and getting the job done but the 7.3 Godzilla one had almost equal weight in it. And was much quicker off the line and had better performance overall. The only downside was it actually drank more fuel than the 6.8 v10 but I would loose a couple mpg without issue having the extra performance the 7.3 provides plus it sounds better toting a load!
As a former diesel mechanic who had to work on RV's. Do not buy one with the radiator in the back. If you must have one of these then at least find one with a radiator that faces the sides of the RV. If mechanics need to access the engine in the back and the radiator is in the way. You will have to pay for the rear end to be disassembled and the radiator removed before the techs can even start on the engine. You are looking at allot more money in the repair just from man hours on jobs that will most likely already be expensive to begin with.
I think in an unloaded pickup truck the 6.8 will probably be almost exactly the same, but with a vehicle this large and with all the weight it's moving and air it's pushing, that's where the 7.3 is really supposed to shine. I'd be interested to see a side by side fuel mileage test on these pretty much identical vehicles with the two different engines.
Love your attention on the RV world~ I'm going nomad with one of these soon & your reviews are helping a lot. Trying to decide between a 6.7 Cummins or saving money with the 7.3 Ford~ I'd love to see a Gauntlet test on these engines! So many RV reviewers don't even MENTION the powertrain other than it being gas or diesel~ I know that you will FOCUS on that!
I'de go with the Cummins but get rid of it close to the end of the warranty..
The 6.8l was only 2 sec. slower up the 8 mile gauntlet pulling a bigger more loaded rv and used only 1/10 of a mpg more fuel than the 7.3l.
I would go with the 7.3 as it won't have dpf issues not to mention higher fuel prices. The gas engine doesn't have the torque that the diesel does but the gas engine will outlive the diesel in the long run
I would much rather purchase a 5th wheel toy hauler and a decent HD truck as a tow vehicle. Less money, more usable space, more versatile, having a separate PU truck when not camping. And have some spending money left over.
150k for a gas engine motorhome?? hard pass lol
That's MSRP what idiot pays full price today with all the different methods of comparison shopping.
Well it is literally a house
@@paulrodrigues9603 so what? It's still overpriced even with price reduction, comparatively to other model with the same price reduction
@@russianacorns8080 unfortunately maybe not, most smaller units like this have explicit instruction in that it not meant to be a full time dwelling, and can void the warranty on appliances. I have owned several over the years
@@Dexter_Solid I know people who dwell full time in transit vans, those instructions are a load of shit.
That 7.3 exhaust note is amazing, especially for a motor home!
Too expensive for a non diesel rv.
Take 50 k off that price.
lmao 🤣
Nice review Andrea. I would have liked a decibel rating at 70mph. Some of the class As could be contributors to hearing loss.
thanks for the video
Ironically, driving a Newmar Baystar for several days now, to deliver to dealer. Was just thinking how the new 7.3L V8, compared to the old V10. Thanks. You missed a bed, there is a lowering, double bunk above the driver and passenger seat.
Andre I just purchased a 2020 Class C RV with the V10! Thinking about purchasing the 5star tuning for it in the spring.
I was never a fan of the V10 but there are performance packages such as headers and larger exhausts for the V10.
I see 2 young men building a Homemade 6.8L DOHC 40V Triton V10 (that's going into a 2017 Lincoln Continental and being converted to RWD) by using 4 sets of 4.6 4V Cobra heads (by cutting-em and welding-em as well as porting and polishing the modified Cobra heads) adding some custom made camshafts, and a custom made intake manifold and man that engine has potential to make over 800 HP NA.
Andrei looked really excited doing this motorhome review.
Well that's no good, Andre. I was waiting for you to take them up the Ike Gauntlet and see which was quicker and quieter.
The RV/ travel trailer market is a huge opportunity for a lot of good future UA-cam content 👍🏼 keep up the good work Andre!
Hey Andre any chance of an ike gauntlet with these beast in the future 🤔 keep up the great videos👍🏻
They always put gasoline truck engines in those RVs, why don't they ever put the Truck Engine diesel is in those things like the Cummins and Duramax or the Powerstroke?
Great review! I have been considering a gas Class A. Can you do upgrades to the 7.3L With the limited space around the doghouse and front grill. What could you do for more hp and torque for possible more towing and getting it up the hills better? Thank you sir! Have a great day! FX5 upgrades would be awesome! (Super charger!)
Tuner
When I was growing up you would only consider a diesel for this size motor home. Also if you tow 5,000 pounds with that V-8 you would get about 3 MPG and wear the heck out of that engine. Beautiful homes though.
That's not correct. Towing 5k with the v10 only reduces the mileage by .8 mpg
I have a '22 7.3 on a 30ft chassis. It gets 7.5 mpg towing a 14ft enclosed with a dirt bike and side by side.
RECALL NOTICE:. "Certain" Ford F53 2020-21 MH chasis. Rear axle housing has insufficient lubrication causing damage to bearings, seals, ring & pinions.
Can lead to other issues like no parking brake or transmission in park instability.
Recall is not VIN specific, only said to affect late 2020 and early 2021 Ford F53 MH & heavy truck chassis.
Problem involves an estimated 7000+ motor homes.
In other news..... The 7.3 V8 gasser in a MH is sweet.
I KNOW THESE THINGS ..... I have one.😉
Got a class c 24 foot v10 love it don't drive over 55 because I usually have a cocktail in my right hand 9 miles to the gallon you push it and it drops.
*Me:* I'm gonna buy an RV and travel the country 😌
*RV:* $147,999 please.
*Me:* a schoolie for 10k will do just fine 😅
Nice rig. I prefer As and Cs with a cab bunk. Do you guys plan on doing some dinghy towing videos? I would like to learn more about that.
That V8 even with what I would assume is a giant and restrictive muffler. Just growls when you get on it. Although maybe it might have a high flow exhaust for all I know stock. I would assume a "leisure vehicle" like a motorhome. Would have a giant quiet exhaust on it.
You should review this chassis with Super Steer Stabilizer Bar, Radius Rods, Rear Tracking Bar and Koni Shocks. I have this on a 2021 FleetwoodFortis 32RW at 34.5 Ft. 7.3 Liter 350 Godzilla Six Speed. Use mine if you want.
The cheapest Newmar is the Bay Star Sport. The smallest coach they build is 27 feet. They do make nice stuff but it's not cheap nor are you able to negotiate aggressively like many other gas class A coaches.
I'd love to see a comparison of the last of the 460 powered RVs to the 2020&2021
Now wouldn't that be a good show to put on if your taking a dump and lean back on the escape door and it wasn't latched correctly
LOL
And the worst of all!!! YOU get paid to do this!!! Keep on looking at your clips, very down to earth and informative! Bein le fun😎😎😎
Is it the same transmission on both platforms? or does the 2021 with the 7.3 get the 10 spd?
The F series vehicles get the 10 speed and all others have the 6 speed
Need to 5 star tune👍
Zero complaints about our 6.8 V10 @ 143k miles and no plans to replace it but when the time comes I'll test a 7.3 v8 gasser for sure.
I love how they have the old charger headlights
I thought this was a legit video comparing V8 to V10 power. I'm getting interior and features advertising.
I just can’t get past the towing ability of the style of Motorhome. I would like to tow my Wrangler on a trailer and these just wouldn’t work.
On the other hand, I believe these two deserve a Real World Test. A test loop of TFL to see what the actual MPG will be for each and if the newer engine is better.
why not just flat tow your Wrangler?
I have the same issue. I wanted to flat tow a Gladiator. I like the bed plus it can tow a decent boat. Interestingly Fleetwood and Coachmen make gas class A coaches rated to tow 8000 lbs with the same chassis.
@@cmcconn100 what does your Gladiator weigh?
@@cmcconn100 Several possible reasons:
1. The one can tow more may weight less itself, so there is more room left in GCWR for towing
2. The rear overhang is usually extended a lot by RV manufactures, some may not engineer the extended overhang for towing heavy
3. The one which claims to tow less may have a lower grade trailer hitch receiver to save money
4. The one which claims to tow less may not want to go through the hassle of proving it can tow more
@@n1njazx7 it puts wear on your tires. When the tires cost over $500 for 40“ tires you tow it in a trailer.
When do you guys will review the 2021 F150? It is arriving in dealerships?
Anyone notice the 2014 charger headlights?
crazy they still using the 05-07 superdudty cluster, column and wheel in the new models.
Ford F-series stripped chassis are all using the same old steering wheel and cluster until they release the 7.3L V8 this year. The newer model motorhome in the video has the new steering wheel and cluster because it has a 7.3L V8
New channel TFL RV 👍🏻
You talk about acceleration like these motorhomes are sports cars. What matters is how they perform going up a long grade towing a vehicle. Also, you didn’t mention anything about the stability comparison between the two rigs going along the interstate when a big rig comes blowing by. I have a new 22 MH very similar to the tested Baystars and the Ford F53 chassis is a handful. Requires 100% concentration to keep it centered in the lane and rough roads are a nightmare. Cover these items in the future which is what matters to campers traveling long distances. I’m looking at having to spend substantial money on aftermarket parts just to make ours driveable.
Emergency door at the toilet. LOL. Great place for it. Need 0-60 times. :)
0-60... In awhile...
In this case, I think "affordable" means I'll only be bankrupt for 10 years instead of 30.
lmfao
Pay cash
@@petergonzalez2361 Fo sho. Never had a vehicle payment and never will.
@kc. We just ordered a Georgetown GT7 36D! Coming out of production in May!
Can’t wait for these to be 2k in 30 years.
They'll be less than 1/2 price in 5 years.
I have a 2021 bluebird vision with the 6.8 v10 and that thing is gutless (and we are averaging 4mpg here in PA).. I'd be very disappointed if I had it in a motorhome, diesel or nothing.
How do they get the beds in there ??
You'll have to drive alot of miles for that price to justify only 1mpg.
It might also be a good idea to wait and see how all the new "greener" plastics hold up under the hood.
Parents have a 2019 Newmar Dutch Star. Newmar makes some of the best motor homes on the market, but I don’t think gas motor homes are a good buy; a truck and a travel trailer is a better option if you’re not going with a diesel class A.
I like how these RVs have Dodge Charger headlights 😂
Super C class is the way to go. Any shop can work on it. You can tow your toys. Class A , It’s great when they pull the doghouse off and work on that engine in your living room. It’s not worth the savings. They never make a mess😂😂
$150k plus starting price on some rv think be 4k camera at least
Clean rv`s thooo 💯💯💯🤙🏽
Dads everywhere-"You walk in the mud, leave your shoes on and lay on my bed"?
I have a Ford V10 motorhome. Its a great engine but its a real gas hog. The only thing I don't like with mine is the 5 speed transmission, a few extra gears would be so nice.
V10 all day
I bet you could buy a decent used big rig, extend the frame and custom build the living space for those prices. Plus you wont have to wait 3 to 9 months to get warranty work done. Big rigs are made to go millions of miles and have commercial parts. More reliable than any consumer vehicle.
Not interested, but Andre deserves the algorithm.
Bravo! Love this V-10 vs V-8 comparison. Motorhomes are trucks and this is the premier truck channel. Hopefully we will see a few more motorhome videos in the future. A head to head 0-60 and 1/4 mile drag race would have been awesome. Perhaps in another episode.
No mention of handling, wheel size, power comparison or sway bar differences. These are key advantages of the V8 chassis.
In the larger trucks and these do they limit the power of the 7.3?
Yes they are commercial rated. It is rated the same as the ford F6/750 it also has a 6speed TorqueShift
Information of the transmission version is also important. I guess, both probably have the 6 speed transmission, right?
We’ve owned both also.
V10 = 6.75 MPG
V8 = 8.3 MPG
The V8 has a slide and is 2.5’ longer.
Noticed that you reported the tow rating. Most dealer reviews will state the hitch rating instead. That is dishonest. You did t right.
👍👍👍👍👍
how long does a full tank last
I would not buy this V8 in the first year I have heard they are having problems with parts in the supply chan. I have a V10 and it’s a very proven engine.
I would normally agree, but this is not a new technology engine, its an updated proven design.
v10. gas is ok easier to get then diesel. newmar is great. 147 .000 not bad. yeah diesel can get up to over 900.000$ on newmar.
Run them up Ike!
Feel like the 10 speed should be quite a bit better for something that heavy with a gas motor.
As a way to make the price make sense my semi was brand new at 130k. But it's nowhere near as luxurious as these two
No mention of which transmission, 10 speed or old school 6 speed ?
6 speed
Heavy duty applications like RVs and the 650/750 all keep the 6 speed.
Need to put the supercharger on this motor like on the Ford Super Duty. Will make it go for sure.
Was one quieter driving over the other?
Here's the escape door, because we're safety minded. While we're at it, let's put a toilet right in front of the escape door.
LOL
This Dodge Charger headlight 😄
Cheap to fix the V10. Parts readily available and affordable.
if were being honest here, it looks like they just reused 14 charger headlights lol
Does the 7.3 RV get the 10 speed tranny too?
Those ford v10 motors are boat anchors! Hopefully the godzilla will be a good motor for ford..... ford should probably out source motors because they can never get it right. Sweet motor homes though
If that generator in the rear is open faced, forget it. Will rot if in winter situations 🤔
Check at 8:21 to 8:23 min Hydraulic is half way down and not alarm inside telling is not completely retracted. Some one can explain this?
It’s obvious that no one in the comments know anything about RVs...
Wich driving license class do I need for that?
It really depends on the state. For the states that differentiate licenses, GVWR 16000LB and GVWR/GCWR 26000 are usually the cut-off lines
@@yzhang8629 tnx man
Why was I thinking, and had heard, that the new V8 had a bit higher tow rating than the V10!! Is this not true???
Ok Andre’ they are nice, look good, have decent room and comfort. BUT now that you have driven one, even though I’m not sure if it was loaded for camping yet. I hate them for two great reasons, the first is no matter how carefully you pack all your stuff away, they are ALL RATTLE TRAPS! That make so much noise of all kinds going down the road, especially after tens of thousands of miles pile up. The second is who want to drive those lumbering death traps around? Only the very best are built to roll over and be safe in crashes! For me? I’ll take a nice pickup an tow a nice travel trailer around! Then if anything happens, you are not at the mercy of any one of the over booked hard to get into mosey reputation RV Dealers you must go too! Instead of the dozens of Chevy, Ford or Ram dealers all over! That goes for mechanical issues with a truck, but both with the Motorhome type of RV!! At least when your trailer has a trailer issue, you can drop it off and still either drive home, or to a motel, that you still need to go to in a taxis!
Those are nice but I love the newer diesel Mercedes dodge sprinter based models. Nice review though....
Just pray that you don't need to bring it back to Mercedes for anything. And some "authorized Sprinter dealers" can't get them into their building so they send you packing. How does Mercedes let them be a Sprinter dealer w/o an adequate service center.
The Mercedes only has 188 horsepower. The towing capacity is also much lower. The price makes up for it as it's WAY more expensive.
biggest problem is no support by Ford on F53 chassis
the problems with Class A's is that they are almost always dangerously overweight
I have the v10. Get the v8.
I got the v8 and love it on a class a i tow a chev Colorado at 68 to70 mph average and i get 8.5 average mpg