J Dilla Drum & Sampling Myths Debunked!

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  • @higheroctave9421
    @higheroctave9421 Рік тому +83

    As fans, we may be lost in the science of trying to explain it in material or theoretical terms. I like to believe Dilla worked entirely off feel. Whatever made his neck crank as hard as the song could go. There's many examples of him breaking this swing formula (donuts, champion sound) and many anecdotes of him using other gear that had its own idiosyncrasies which he would've relished.
    Fact, he was intentionally pushing timing around to maximise the impact of the downbeat. He didn't even need loud punchy snares, he set that anticipation up perfectly and he couldn't do that with grids. Add to that all the rub, friction and movement in the bass, claps and percussive elements that make the drums even more 'swingy'. For me it's so much about making tasteful decisions with sound selection and letting each part breathe and talk within his own universe of sound design. RIP to the greatest.

  • @DOUG-E-BEATZ
    @DOUG-E-BEATZ Рік тому +54

    It's impossible to make a "Dilla beat" just like it's impossible for someone else to replicate our own beats. There's been times when I accidentally erased my own shit and tried to recreate it lol. Your grandma can give you the recipe for her famous sweet potato pie gram for gram, and it's still going to come out different. Dilla is just one of a kind, like how we all are. At the end of the day, there is no grid for our motion to snap to. The best thing to do is not focus on the grid, but the rhythm of your own drums, and you'll be ok.

    • @creamfiend84
      @creamfiend84 Рік тому +5

      Bro the amount of times I’ve erased beats and tried to remake them😂 You just gotta move on and create new ish💎

    • @DOUG-E-BEATZ
      @DOUG-E-BEATZ Рік тому +1

      @@creamfiend84 No doubt

    • @patrickjames8907
      @patrickjames8907 11 місяців тому +1

      Beautifully said!

  • @terch2882
    @terch2882 Рік тому +48

    why we actin like dilla only used the 3000. he achieved his sound on damn near any device

    • @TheRealNativeSun
      @TheRealNativeSun Рік тому +8

      Facts. Especially on Pro tools for loop edits and copy pa wav samples.

  • @rmriwatch
    @rmriwatch Рік тому +25

    Actually it’s 1/384 not 1/128 when you turn off quantize on the original 3000 without the Vailixi mod, you can look it up in the manual. You can use many techniques to achieve the feel, in the end it’s only having the notes offset and not being on the grid. However what the 3000 excels at is being able to manipulate the offsets precisely in ticks, thus you learn how much it is and can use shift timing to your advantage.

  • @AMWTSCAM82
    @AMWTSCAM82 Рік тому +162

    People uses J Dilla name for clicks and views

  • @AveMcree
    @AveMcree  Рік тому +26

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    • @ProdbyGrimeyred
      @ProdbyGrimeyred Рік тому +1

      Get it done Ave

    • @DreonShaunTV
      @DreonShaunTV Рік тому

      Go ahead Ave. Bring back out the 2000XL.

    • @Prod.atlasbeats
      @Prod.atlasbeats Рік тому

      Yes that’d be very dope I loved your video on the alchemist

    • @jvsoundz7881
      @jvsoundz7881 Рік тому

      Absolutely

    • @BareRareBeats
      @BareRareBeats Рік тому +2

      Yeh why not. Everyone else has done one. Don’t break the habit of a lifetime. Continue ripping off other creators. SMH

  • @pifmusic-f2g
    @pifmusic-f2g Рік тому +8

    Nobody will ever know how Dilla did his drums. We can only speculate and give a guesstimate

  • @aych_el
    @aych_el 11 місяців тому +7

    Your debunk is wrong. What the book actually says is that dilla swung some things and shifted other stuff around. Not necessarily the same thing being swung and shifted. So he may have swung the hats and shifted the snares...which the 3000 is more than capable of. He also didnt use that stupid "microchop" technique. Anyone with ears can hear that dillas chops were on the transients. SMH. stop spreading foolishness.

  • @megahurtz2499
    @megahurtz2499 Рік тому +11

    R.I.P. Dilla, Everyone should remember that the basis of hip hop is to be "fresh" not really clear why so many people wanna bite this mans style and think its ok. Come up with your own tricks, be original, thats hip hop

    • @Abruzzo333
      @Abruzzo333 Рік тому

      Amen to that. Nowadays everyone is copying everyone else.

    • @Kevinschart
      @Kevinschart Рік тому +3

      That's like asking why guitarists emulate jimi, or why hoopers study Michael Jordan. They man mastered a style of beatmaking, and basically created a sub genre of hip-hop. Of course people are going to study him and implement his techniques

  • @MrBlueHaze
    @MrBlueHaze Рік тому +7

    Word to note only mpc 3000 units fitted with Vailixi 3.5 chips and OS have the 1/128, 1/192 and 1/384 off timing features as extras features and the chips came out in the early 2000s I believe. The Roger Linn OG mpc 3000 only have 1/384 off timing. In the 90’s most the legends used the OG mpc 3000 with the original akai chips. There are many ways to get the feel and Marlow Diggs shows his way using both 2xl, mpc studio, x, live and etc. My two cents that mpc 3000 most overlooked innovation was step editor know called list editor which allows you to put your hits exactly where you want after you played it in regardless of timing correct is on or not.

    • @tommyk88888
      @tommyk88888 Рік тому +2

      So basically he is likely wrong about the 128 limitation?

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому

      yes@@tommyk88888

    • @MrBlueHaze
      @MrBlueHaze Рік тому +5

      ⁠@@tommyk88888If you are asking about the mpc j Dilla started with it was an OG mpc 3k the same as I once had at 1/384 off quantization. Like we stated the Vaiilxi chip came out in 2007. So mpc 3000 was released in 1995 and I believe he start working with it from 1996 or 1997 maybe. No Vaiilxi chips existed at that time his work with Tribe, D’Angelo, Badu, SV, and Busta speak for themselves no 1/128 on the mpc 3000 at that time. But step edit has been there from the beginning.

  • @dabeatkitchen
    @dabeatkitchen Рік тому +21

    It's not the hard or software. It's the person behind the tools

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +2

      Bruh, the tools you use play a huge factor! The skill set comes 2nd period!

    • @dabeatkitchen
      @dabeatkitchen Рік тому +1

      if you ain't got the skills you wont be making any good music. And it doesn't matter what you use. I started in Madtracker and used almost everything after. I respect all the hard and software but the person behind it should know how to make proper beats and pick whatever works for them@@AveMcree

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      ok make a dope beat using just a spoon & nothing else since your so dope.. I'm using your logic@@dabeatkitchen

    • @creamfiend84
      @creamfiend84 Рік тому

      Hand in Hand

  • @Dirty1200
    @Dirty1200 Рік тому +13

    i guess you have the VAILIXI 3.50 OS, as you can chose 1/128 when quant is off. I dunno if Dilla used the VAILIXI 3.50 OS on his early stuff. VAILIXI 3.50 OS came 2007

    • @donnydarko7624
      @donnydarko7624 6 місяців тому +4

      Dilla wasn't alive in 07, he died in 06.

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 6 місяців тому

      @@donnydarko7624 exacly

  • @johndav_iD
    @johndav_iD Рік тому +9

    You can snap to 1/128 in FL Studio by Quantizing to the 1/4 step grid since it's automatically on 1/16. Even then, I still think using anything that has quintuplet or septuplet quantization will get you close enough

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому +3

      i think FL Studio can change the PPQ to 96 to get even more close to the MPC-3000

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +5

      It’s not the same fam. Fl studio ppq isn’t as tight as ableton. Matter of fact, even the new update is buggy. We tested on a live stream.

    • @jovantrendmaker4722
      @jovantrendmaker4722 Рік тому

      @@artisans8521 dilla used effects from sp 303 for shure

    • @79Glitch
      @79Glitch Рік тому

      ⁠@@artisans8521He used the 303 for most of Donuts and The Beach Boys project he was working on near the end of his life. We all heard those stories, before he even passed, about his mom and friends bringing him records and equipment to the hospital so he could make beats when he was sick. He was using the 303 that Madlib put him onto in California at that point. This has been confirmed countless times by nearly everyone who was around him at the time (Egon, J Rocc, House Shoes, etc.)
      The thing that people get wrong about that period is, a) he also used the 3000 for Donuts on some beats, b) he probably did the majority of the beats during the times he wasn’t in the hospital, and c) the Stones Throw engineers played a big part in the making of Donuts and had to do some heavy editing to make “songs” out of what Dilla did. From what I’ve heard over the years, some or most of the original beats used for Donuts were 20 -30 seconds long.
      I also remember watching a video early on in UA-cam (like 2007 or 2008), where Dilla was sitting with one of the engineers from Stones Throw on a computer, and they were working on Donuts. In the clip, he keeps telling the engineer to drag snares or kicks backward, or push them further ahead in the pro tools session. I think they even playfully argued at one point like, “that’s going to sound like shit!” … and Dilla said something like, “I know!”
      That last part about the conversation is not exactly verbatim, but it was something to that effect. The bigger point is … Dilla used Pro Tools as an essential part of his beat making process from the time he put his studio set up together in Detroit,
      so from the late 90’s-2000 and on.

  • @Dirty1200
    @Dirty1200 Рік тому +6

    When will there be a video that corrects the miss information in this video?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      Probably never because the information in this video is valid. Unlike the culture vultures you like watching. The people who taught me were around J dilla.

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому +3

      @@AveMcree im talking about the Vailixi OS

  • @djskillzz215
    @djskillzz215 Рік тому +9

    Very interesting, and Thanks for the clarification.. I definitely Respect the Brother J Dilla's contributions to HipHop and his indeed UNIQUE style and craftmanship... But All In All, I hope music producers of today are continuously focusing on their INDIVIDUAL personal styles...even if J Dilla has some influence in it... #Salute

  • @MusicianParadise
    @MusicianParadise Рік тому +15

    Wow, this video really completes the information given in the book "Dilla Time". It was the missing piece of the puzzle! This really shows that the MPC 3000 is worth the money for those who willing to dig deep! I am really glad that you mentioned Slynk's video. I learned a lot from it. With the modern MPCs, we have a Split Event feature that makes it possible to recreate Slynk's experiments with quintuplet and septuplet swing, and even do crazier time subdivisions.

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +8

      No doubt! I deleted the modern MPC segment due to video timing but I'll release it later this week.

  • @videosarchive8058
    @videosarchive8058 Рік тому

    Thanks!

  • @chriscash782
    @chriscash782 Рік тому +9

    Nice effort but you didn't exactly get the Dilla swing.I still think quantize was off for a lot.

  • @AKHODA
    @AKHODA Рік тому +8

    Here's the thing about swing tho, it's not just a sampler terminology. It's a musical concept (as you know). So just because someone isn't using the swing function doesn't mean you aren't swinging like crazy! So to say Dilla didn't swing--ehhh I don't think I'd ever utter that sentence. But I get what you were saying from a producer's perspective. Thanks for breaking down these finer points on the 3000!

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +4

      Did say he didn’t. I said 1/128 or higher will give you a natural bounce.

    • @AKHODA
      @AKHODA Рік тому +1

      @@AveMcree talking about the part where you ask "did he swing?" @ 5:09 and you explain swing function isn't available if you're using the 1/128 method.
      But you're right, you didn't directly answer the question.
      I will tho---Dilla was swinging mane!! "Swing and bounce" are nearly the same thing, only older musicians tend to use the word "swing" (New Jack Swing, for instance), producers and younger cats use the word "bounce" (which Timbo popularized).
      We're splitting hairs, but this is a split-the-hairs type o' video. Again, thanks for the breakdown, I learned something for sure.

    • @creamfiend84
      @creamfiend84 Рік тому +2

      Swing exists outside of the confines of the box right? Example being Jazz swing is there a correlation between the two?

    • @AKHODA
      @AKHODA Рік тому +3

      @@creamfiend84 exactly. Swing in jazz is where you if you take two 8th notes---emphasize the first note and shorten the second. It still fits into a single beat, but the feel is different ("bouncy").
      Boom Bap hip hop is built around this swing concept too. All the machine is doing when you turn up the "swing" is making that first eighth note longer, and the second one shorter.
      No swing: "da da da da"
      50% swing: "daa da daa da"
      90% swing: "daaaa d daaaa d"

  • @yvesdropBeats
    @yvesdropBeats Рік тому

    Very brave of you to take this topic on. Great vid.

  • @vexamillion69
    @vexamillion69 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing, I knew there’s was more to uncover in regards to Dillla’s technique. It wasn’t just the technology, Dilla had an instinct in the feel of a song. He told stories by focusing on the emotion.

  • @BIGMIKE360AMUSEMENTS
    @BIGMIKE360AMUSEMENTS Рік тому +3

    Thanks for your tutelage about breaking down beats etc. I used to have the older MPC’s decades ago. I had purchased the MPC one + a while ago after I came home from the hospital 🏥 with a stroke. I’m working on making beats again and I’m figuring out a lot of things on the MPC one + and either going through the computer or just plain raw with the beats. You and I are probably the same age. I’ll be 54 on September 26. I’m not going to stop until I cannot do this anymore. Life is short, take every day and do you to your fullest ability. Keep up the good work and if I have any questions, I’ll definitely come to you for help. That stroke kind of made me feel a little bit lightheaded but it’s temporary. Probably too much medication 💊 and it’s side effects. God bless you abundantly my brother ❤

    • @rodriquezbailey1832
      @rodriquezbailey1832 Рік тому +1

      Big Mike hang on in there… you will be alright music is indeed a healer whether listening or in your case creating. Amen 🙏🏽

    • @BIGMIKE360AMUSEMENTS
      @BIGMIKE360AMUSEMENTS Рік тому

      @@rodriquezbailey1832 true story straight up

  • @levonjones907
    @levonjones907 Рік тому +5

    I use that chopping technique on my mpc 500. Didn't know it was called micro chopping.

    • @tommyk88888
      @tommyk88888 Рік тому +2

      I wonder if cats like Dilla ever used that word either. It seems like a buzz word for something that has been around for much longer than the term. First time I heard it was when Blue & Exile, Below The Heavens came out.

  • @countorringtonludlow5211
    @countorringtonludlow5211 Рік тому +1

    3:40 Ableton Live also has a groove pool with the same swing templates used by the MPC. At least they are named as such. I don't have a real MPC to a/b them against.

  • @donnydarko7624
    @donnydarko7624 6 місяців тому

    The MPC 3000's MSRP was $3700 as far as what info I could find regarding it stated. Idk if the LE was more or not, but this is what the last 9 LE's sold for on reverb, which 5 of sold for below the MSRP of the original 3000. Higher end discontinued machines often end up increasing in value once the supply starts thinning out. Look at the elektron Machinedrum, or the DSI tempest's msrp was $1200 now good luck getting one for under $1600

  • @bboymac84
    @bboymac84 Рік тому +3

    In Ableton you can use groove pool to change the timing

  • @NickwmsNV
    @NickwmsNV Рік тому

    love the vid. we need more dilla!

  • @jerrypizzini
    @jerrypizzini Рік тому +1

    I will never believe that man was making beats whit out quantization on. His style of beat making is just genius. He had micro chopping on lock.

  • @Eudawg101
    @Eudawg101 Рік тому +7

    You MgtheFuture,and CMG are doing real wonders for true knowledge for hip hop, rap. Thank You. Really.

  • @sebastiandior1315
    @sebastiandior1315 Рік тому +1

    Well, Bob Power, said he just simply didn't use the sequencer, he would play the mpc live. That is where the feel is coming from.

  • @MSNGR415
    @MSNGR415 Рік тому +2

    Dilla is the goat in my opinion, so much so that when I went by Dillinger in the electronic scene I changed my name the first time some kid shortened it to dilla.. there’s only one Dilla. However, I don’t think J Dilla put nearly as much effort into thinking this stuff out as the people trying to dissect it have just gotta do it feels good to you. I’m pretty sure that was his whole ethos.

  • @Drrolfski
    @Drrolfski Рік тому +3

    So if I get this right, Dilla tutorials are wrong because Timing Correct (TC)/Quantization on "off" on the MPC 3000 is actually TC on 1/128 and you can't use swing in that mode? And you can't replicate that sound on modern MPCs because they only go up to 1/64 TC? This makes me wonder to what resolution a modern MPC quantizes if you put TC on "off": 1/1024, 1/2048?

    • @MrBlueHaze
      @MrBlueHaze Рік тому

      1/960 ppq

    • @Drrolfski
      @Drrolfski Рік тому

      @@MrBlueHaze 960 ppqn is the maximum display resolution according to the MPC settings. How can we be sure this is also the quantization grid if you put Timing Correct in off mode?

    • @MrBlueHaze
      @MrBlueHaze Рік тому

      @@Drrolfski every sequencer has a maximum ppq before they break down to smaller units mpc X, live and etc are 960ppq, Elektron is 384ppq and Logic Pro is 3840 maybe and it goes on and on. This are the off settings.

    • @Drrolfski
      @Drrolfski Рік тому

      @@MrBlueHaze I understand but how do you know for sure this of the modern MPC series? Because their settings speak of Display Resolution, not quantize resolution. In theory, these could be two separate stats.

    • @MrBlueHaze
      @MrBlueHaze Рік тому

      @@Drrolfski yes the display settings can be set to 1/96 ppq just for display the data which I use for editing via the list editor but the maximum ppq is still 960 ppq regardless. You can reconfirm with mpc tutor he will tell you the same thing or with Marlow Digs

  • @Cats-Eye
    @Cats-Eye 9 місяців тому +3

    this is legit probably the only accurate video ive ever seen on dilla's sound and technique

  • @duimusic100
    @duimusic100 Рік тому

    Hey Ave i was wondering if the MPC Renaissance works with the mpc 2.12 software, before i buy it. Im knew to mpc. I just bought the mpc studio 2, and i dont like the work flow of it, to much mouse using??

  • @brandonwilliams966
    @brandonwilliams966 Рік тому +16

    As someone that was there actually watching him do it, this video, like most of the others... is wrong.

    • @Andre7414
      @Andre7414 Рік тому

      😂😂

    • @Andre7414
      @Andre7414 Рік тому

      Ok can you direct me to one where they got it right? Serious question.

    • @Raisin185
      @Raisin185 Рік тому

      @@Andre7414fax

    • @Raisin185
      @Raisin185 Рік тому

      What’s right then? I don’t understand what’s wrong with this one

  • @Dirty1200
    @Dirty1200 Рік тому +1

    What OS does your MPC-3000 have ?? My shows (1/384) when i have quant off

  • @karimalloul3809
    @karimalloul3809 Рік тому +1

    Hi
    If your right that there is no note off but 1/128, it s best video that you did, for me.
    Can you tell where this information Comes from, what is your source

  • @KevKruz
    @KevKruz Рік тому +7

    It's challenging covering Dilla since he's not with us anymore, but guys like Showbiz and Diamond D are still here and would probably love to chop it up with you if you invited them on your channel - Even Kenny Dope who's extra stupid on an MPC...would love to see you get some perspective from dudes like that.

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +3

      I'm definitely down for that because authenticity is my brand

    • @fyhlox2
      @fyhlox2 Рік тому +1

      💥👍🏾💯

  • @inperfectsequence7840
    @inperfectsequence7840 Рік тому +13

    How bad nostalgia is.
    Really, when people become obsessed with Dilla, wanting to prove that they know everything about him, that's when they become more ridiculous.
    The truth is that the dead man took all his secrets to the grave, like M. Jackson, F. Mercury, James Brown, J-Live, Guru, MCA...
    Making a fool of yourself every time they bring up Jay Dilla with new “how he did it” advice is not good.
    They make fools of themselves and a kitten always dies.

  • @Teddyrobinson
    @Teddyrobinson Рік тому +1

    Watching your videos get better and better over the years has been great!! Keep it up

  • @eightoheight
    @eightoheight Рік тому +8

    They always confuse Dilla with Chill Hop

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +3

      people do and say whatever these days.. Be like me and spit the facts.. Bless king

    • @uberbeats1727
      @uberbeats1727 Рік тому

      @@artisans8521 fake news

  • @barryanderson1466
    @barryanderson1466 Рік тому +1

    What type od OS you using in your 3000

  • @ryandavis783
    @ryandavis783 Рік тому +1

    Thank you Ave! Can this info be transcribed to the Mpc 60?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +1

      Absolutely

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому +1

      you dont get 1/128 on a standard MPC-60, but might with a third party os like VIMANA 3.15

  • @KhonshusThought
    @KhonshusThought Рік тому

    How can I achieve this swing effect with the mpc one? Just want my drums to have a unique bounce

  • @UrbanJournal
    @UrbanJournal 8 місяців тому

    I was able to do this on an MV8000 as well.

  • @terrytimberlake8926
    @terrytimberlake8926 Рік тому +3

    Hold up.. you just proved my point about all these so-called youtube teachers by saying they have the main person technic, but really, it's just click bait

  • @avgriffin
    @avgriffin Рік тому +1

    AVE!!!! Shoutout for using the Light as an exaple amazing tune!!! I Love Dilla and Common so much !

  • @Eudawg101
    @Eudawg101 Рік тому

    Do you know a great place to get my mpc3000 fixed at? Screen issues.

  • @yeshello2528
    @yeshello2528 Рік тому +3

    fact: Dilla... well i actually don't fucking know. I just like Dilla. Thank you Ave as always

  • @kingofwilcoxstreetkows8351
    @kingofwilcoxstreetkows8351 Рік тому

    Does the 3000 have adsr ... ??

  • @fotpjusto457
    @fotpjusto457 Рік тому

    goat status for this!!! A true Master you are!!

  • @CurtisC685
    @CurtisC685 7 місяців тому

    Great video and great beat

  • @Cap10NRGMusic
    @Cap10NRGMusic Рік тому

    Great video, my man!! very much enjoyed this one

  • @kavvmakesbeats
    @kavvmakesbeats Рік тому +4

    the only jdilla tutorials that matter are from verysickbeats imo

  • @JBloom20
    @JBloom20 Рік тому +6

    My man earned that thumbs up. I’ve never seen the correct explanation using a 3000. I have the 2000xl and the One. Will some day add the 3K to my arsenal. Great vid!

  • @Kryptdegen
    @Kryptdegen Рік тому +1

    Can this be done in the same way with the new standalone mpcs or maschines?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      Yes but you need to double the bpm (90 x 2 is 160bpm). Then set timing correct to 1/64 (64 x 2 is 128).

  • @kidkante
    @kidkante 7 місяців тому

    Got my MPC 3000 back in 1996. Got the MPC One in 2019. IMO the MPC One is better, which is crazy because the 3000 costed me (my grandmother financed it) like $2900 back then. I used several DAW's from 2005-2019 and hated all of them, even though Fruity Loops was pretty dope when I used it in tandem with chopping my samples in Adobe Audition.

  • @kawinta7495
    @kawinta7495 5 місяців тому

    A technic we can use is to double up the tempo, and you can have a 1/256 resolution

  • @billblass1663
    @billblass1663 Рік тому +11

    Dilla made most of Donuts on Pro Tools

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +13

      ............. slap yourself please

    • @ProdbyGrimeyred
      @ProdbyGrimeyred Рік тому

      ​@@AveMcree😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Dominant1mw
      @Dominant1mw Рік тому

      Dude he had an MPC on his deathbed

    • @billblass1663
      @billblass1663 Рік тому +2

      @@Dominant1mw no he didn't, did you read the book Dilla Time?

    • @billblass1663
      @billblass1663 Рік тому +1

      @@AveMcree Ave you are playing yourself again, be careful

  • @AmazonCrime
    @AmazonCrime Рік тому

    Hey Ave! Geat video. Thank you so much for the info. I have a question for you: how do you acheive 1/128 quantization with the SMPLTREK? I look at the manual and there is no mention about it! I look at the video where you review the 2.0 update and you don't really talk about it either. However you mention it in your "I Made a Tier List for Drum Samplers" video (9m56s). Is it just 1/128 per default when quantization is off?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      The ppq is 96 on both those machines.

    • @AmazonCrime
      @AmazonCrime Рік тому

      For more context, I started doing beats on Maschine 1.0 a couple years ago. At the time I was a decent guitarist, a bad drummer and a awfully unexperienced producer. But I had a good ear and I knew how my shit was supposed to sound in my head. At first, choppin records came easy to me. I have an extensive music theory background and I knew how to write and arrange songs for bands and stuff like that. So chords, melodies, keys... I had this shit already figured it out from the get go. But I was struggling a lot with finger drumming. I used to keep my quantization turned off for months because I read that Madlib and Dilla would never quantize their beats and I wanted to emulate their feel as much as possible. But there was always something off with my groove - and I don't mean "off" in a good "drunken feel" type of way. It was just not it... And the worst part was I didn't know why! One day I said to my producer friend: "my shit sounds loose alright, but it aint snappin tho!" And he said to me, "just quantize your drum midi in 1/128 - it'll fix it!" And sure enough it did! I felt like I was cheating by doing so. I had the imposter syndrome for a bit. But the results were there and suddenly my beats were still very loose but they felt tighter. A lot tighter. It felt like I was finally able to draw a perfect circle in a square. This is also why years later I've decided to go with Ableton. Now I want a portable sampler that can do the same thing. And this one of the reason why I'm a bit disapointed with the SP 404 mkii that I bought a year ago... my stuff just don't groove the same in there.

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      @@AmazonCrimethat’s a beautiful story. I can’t to talk about the history of Akai. You’ll find everyone shares a similar experience including me.

    • @AmazonCrime
      @AmazonCrime Рік тому

      @@AveMcree So basically, I want a sampler with the 16 bit resolution of the Lofi12, the vinyl sim compressor of the SP, the 96 ppq of the Smpltrek, in a box that can also sidechain and has simple and inuitive workflow... I have to go with an MPC right?
      I feel like I'm asking for way too much. But god at the same time, such a device should exist by now. Lol. I know that it'd buy it right away.

  • @stysnappin
    @stysnappin Рік тому

    Interesting info about the Circuit Rhythm. I don’t see many people using it. Do you prefer the SmplTrek or the Rhythm?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +2

      like both tbh... I paid for them

    • @stysnappin
      @stysnappin Рік тому

      @@AveMcree Do you run your Circuit Rhythm in double time to get a higher resolution of micro-steps?

  • @alchemistrpm82
    @alchemistrpm82 Рік тому +18

    Um… owning an MPC 3000 don’t make you an expert on Dilla. And please bro. Leave Navie and Digging The Greats well alone. If you want to bad enough, anyone can emulate Dilla’s timing with almost any fully-featured tool. By using primarily **drum roll please** their fuckin ears.

  • @OlegTsoyArchive
    @OlegTsoyArchive Рік тому

    Deconstructing a beat via RipX is very cool. Nice video my friend 😎👍🏼

  • @mlondichiliza737
    @mlondichiliza737 Рік тому +1

    I wonder if someone tomorrow(future) would debunk this video and say they know how to get the Dilla feel

  • @jp4751
    @jp4751 Рік тому

    Great video disecting different elements of production tools. Always interesting to see what different people use/used.
    Either way, its great to learn how people achieve their sound. I agree the tools do matter to a certain degree, BUT you will sound like YOU no matter what brand/tool you use.

  • @awedee.0
    @awedee.0 Рік тому

    Yo ave how do y’all know how to get into the hidden ,or what seems, hidden parameters in the mpc?

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому +1

      He is using a third party OS on the MPC

  • @johnhenningfield4360
    @johnhenningfield4360 Рік тому +2

    Honestly I thought Dilla was dragging back the trim line on his kicks and snares on the MP3000, then throw the swing value up to about 60%... that's how I got the Dilla swing/feel when I did the drum tracks. All this time I was wrong LOL 😆😆😆😆😆

    • @RoomAtTheTopStudio
      @RoomAtTheTopStudio Місяць тому

      That actually works and it's just another way to do it

  • @Jeweldroppin
    @Jeweldroppin Рік тому

    So would you be able to apply the timings information into the newer mpc ??

  • @truestprophecy
    @truestprophecy Рік тому

    digging the greats is how i ended up using my midi controller for the first time. i had it but never used it

  • @ChewoBeats
    @ChewoBeats Рік тому

    We called it volume chopping cause that's change the micro chopping as well.
    Ave - one quest: when did you buy your 3k? And what's your most used model of all you have flying around?
    I used the 3k for 10 years straight and always had a backup unit cause that's what you need if you love the 3k!
    Very great video I wanted to add! Let the people know what's good

  • @johnqpublic4662
    @johnqpublic4662 11 місяців тому

    It’s amazing how the “Dilla Time” book mystifies a swing rhythm that’s not 4/4 and not quite 12/8 either.

  • @rileywilliamsmusic
    @rileywilliamsmusic Рік тому +17

    This video has to be a joke

  • @johnqpublic4662
    @johnqpublic4662 11 місяців тому

    Thank you!

  • @therealliveguy
    @therealliveguy Рік тому +2

    People assuming and speculating on his technique has actually been a good thing for creativity purposes….there is a formula. Paul C knew it too…taught it to Large Pro. Dilla had multiple techniques and ways to make a beat. This is the difference. Most cats can only make a beat 1 or two ways. That said…however you do it…as long as the end result is dope…thats really all that matters.

  • @Dirty1200
    @Dirty1200 Рік тому +1

    the manual says : " OFF(1/384): No timing correction-in this setting, the
    highest resolution of the MPC3000 is used-96 divisions
    per 1/4-note."

    • @uberbeats1727
      @uberbeats1727 Рік тому

      thats in VAILIXI 3.50 OS which came in '07.... lol i can tell u a casual fan

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      Yeah, & that came out in '07.... See the problem with that theory buddy?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому

      thx @@uberbeats1727

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому

      no?@@AveMcree

    • @Dirty1200
      @Dirty1200 Рік тому

      So before ' 07 there was only 1/384 as quant off, as both my MPC-3000 and the Manual states. in '07 VAILIXI 3.50 OS added quant functions : "New timing correct/step size options: 1/128 and 1/192 timing correct OFF note value resolutions added.
      1/4, 1/4TRPLT, 1/64, 1/64TRPLT timing correct note value resolutions added.
      Swing is now available for 1/4, 1/4TRPLT, 1/8, 1/8TRPLT, 1/16, 1/16TRPLT, 1/32, 1/32TRPLT,1/64, 1/64TRPLT"
      in the standard MPC-3000(LE) machine and manual:
      "1/8 NOTE: All notes are moved to the nearest 1/8-note
      1/8 TRPLT: All notes are moved to the nearest 1/8-note
      triplet
      1/16 NOTE: All notes are moved to the nearest 1/16-note
      1/16 TRPLT: All notes are moved to the nearest 1/16-
      note triplet
      1/32 NOTE: All notes are moved to the nearest 1/32-note
      1/32 TRPLT: All notes are moved to the nearest 1/32-
      note triplet
      OFF(1/384): No timing correction-in this setting, the
      highest resolution of the MPC3000 is used-96 divisions
      per 1/4-note."
      @@uberbeats1727

  • @B-Nice
    @B-Nice Рік тому +2

    Micro Chopping can be done on any piece of equipment. You showed a method of auto/zone chopping that created 'micro' chops, but most of Dilla's chops came from sampling a new sound with each chop, involving backspinning the record over and over, sampling the next chop each time you played the record back. The method you showed only works if your sample is exactly 2 or 4 or 8 bars, it has to be a perfect loop to catch the chops at the right time.

  • @BROSANCHEZTVOFFICIAL
    @BROSANCHEZTVOFFICIAL Рік тому +9

    This vid will make some ppl mad but I approve of this message from the OG Ave.

    • @Wren_The_Ten
      @Wren_The_Ten Рік тому

      For sure. You think that Japanese giant vid on UA-cam is fake? I see the nephilim vid. All love bro ❤

    • @third0ptic
      @third0ptic Рік тому

      ​@@Wren_The_Ten😂😂

  • @jovantrendmaker4722
    @jovantrendmaker4722 Рік тому +8

    Dilla did his microchopping in daw in pro tools whole donuts was edited in daw...

    • @uberbeats1727
      @uberbeats1727 Рік тому

      cap

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +1

      "show me how to tell someone they wrong, without saying they are wrong"... Watch this video & let someone who actually knows Dilla explained his "micro chopping" process ua-cam.com/video/T-h1K34Y468/v-deo.htmlsi=95vmBWqsdxwsVKDA

    • @jovantrendmaker4722
      @jovantrendmaker4722 Рік тому +3

      @@AveMcree i was thinking about donuts album. I watched that questlove clip before. He said he used only 12 pads on his mpc thats barely "micro sampling" and if you listen to sample carefully he only took beginning when a guy speaks for a few seconds and edited him out and tok one micro chop of rhodes and than put some rap acapella samples over it. It looped smothly doe cant lie. Madlib and alc do same or more complex beats and people never praise them its just dilla thats god somehow. Donuts has tons of editing and was done in daw atleast what says in the book and it seems logical because for some beats you would need more than 4 banks 64 (mpc 3000) pads to do it. And people saying for 20 years it was made with sp 303 lol

    • @diamondjuni3784
      @diamondjuni3784 Рік тому

      @@jovantrendmaker4722 this makes more sense

  • @NeuStarProductions
    @NeuStarProductions Рік тому +1

    Those samples chops are 🔥 ffr

  • @lamonthunt3063
    @lamonthunt3063 Рік тому +4

    Let this person rest in peace. Stop using this man’s name, this man’s everything to cash in 💰💰

  • @djtrakakadrunkpoet8598
    @djtrakakadrunkpoet8598 Рік тому +1

    Shit i aint gon lie i know a few cats that have that sound down to a tee its just funny knowing its him or his soul in that style so its like hearing him in the afterlife. As if a message that his inspiration lives . So i can get how many artists go out of their way to try do something completely different to not get constant comparisons.

  • @triplebeam23
    @triplebeam23 Рік тому +2

    Im pretty sure you can do all this in FL

  • @sewio2779
    @sewio2779 Рік тому +1

    what quantize and swing should i do on mpc live 2 to achieve this kind of drum bounce?

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  Рік тому +1

      That was omitted from the video but you have to do double time and set timing correct to 64. 64 x 2 is 128. However, it won’t be as tight.

    • @badboy69cancer
      @badboy69cancer Рік тому +1

      Why not set it to 64 and lower the strength percentage?

  • @unc1589
    @unc1589 Рік тому +1

    After the vox video dropped (which was an excellent video), everybody (a new generation )caught J Dilla fever. Then re-interpreted it.
    Hence the silly mythological stuff.
    Computers have to do a lot more editing to capture what the 3k does naturally. In one pass.
    It’s not just the grid (shouts to Ave for this video. I learned something),
    But it’s also that rigid solid PPQ (pulses per quarter note) that Roger implemented into the electronics.
    It gives the 3k that stable dependable tightness that is so noticeable,even with a 1/128 setting.
    Plus I always believed that velocity on the one, which controls the metronome feel, works under the rules of an electro mechanical system rather than the 1s and 0s of a multi purpose computer.
    That’s why the loop of a 3k sounds so sweet.
    It’s that circuitry.
    Even with up tempo house type music the timing has this restraint that builds tension.

  • @iamdjtab
    @iamdjtab Рік тому

    I truly appreciate the authenticity in this video!

  • @pachacache5186
    @pachacache5186 Рік тому +9

    why every Ave Mcree video sounds false?

  • @OshaneC92
    @OshaneC92 Рік тому

    That outro beat at the end!!! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @meanguitar
    @meanguitar Рік тому

    This is why I got the circuit rhythm rather than an mpc one.

  • @Lunchdeptment
    @Lunchdeptment Рік тому

    Fully appreciated this on point video brotha, i feel like you busted some myths on this one...super informative content, Didnt sugar coat a thang! Respect!!👍🏽👍🏽

  • @Jaemus21
    @Jaemus21 Рік тому

    Droppin that knowledge!

  • @matthewhussey4004
    @matthewhussey4004 Рік тому +6

    Nope. Incorrect.

  • @g-soul4771
    @g-soul4771 Рік тому

    Good Video!!

  • @NobodyUKnow-ju3ll
    @NobodyUKnow-ju3ll Рік тому +1

    The Face Animation is Dope As Hell !!!🤣😂🤣

  • @keithprice1950
    @keithprice1950 Рік тому +1

    This thing was swing drives me crazy. People quantizing their drums and then using swing to move notes off the grid. How about just not quantizing your drums in the first place? If you actually just play your drums with human timing you'll get swing. It might take a bit more effort and a few takes sometimes but it's just way more natural.

  • @Mastering_in_the_box
    @Mastering_in_the_box Рік тому +10

    This video is nearly as funny as watching Ave struggle to use the 3000 a few weeks ago. Now he thinks he’s an expert. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dilla? More like Dulla.

  • @ernieg
    @ernieg Рік тому +2

    Everything’s for sale, including your soul

  • @tomblaze2
    @tomblaze2 Рік тому

    Loved the video. But dang -homies eyes 👀 are low - must be hitting that ‘dro

  • @SonicVibe
    @SonicVibe Рік тому +1

    i think it was the man not the machine liked the video though especially the mico chops

  • @stuartdavid8493
    @stuartdavid8493 10 місяців тому +3

    Let’s bust the most important myth: the truth is that most of Dilla’s best known beats were made on the Sp1200, not the MPC3000. “Runnin”: Sp1200. All the slum village stuff: Sp1200. And dilla turned the quantise off on the Sp1200, but even with the quantise off the 1200 still quantises to 1/64th note triplets, because the 1200 has a resolution of 24ppq. And 1/64th note triplets means 24 ppq. So…bang in a beat to any sequencer with the quantise set to 1/64th note triplets. Play slightly sloppy. Instant Dilla “swing”. If your sequencer only goes up to 1/32nd note triplets, double the tempo and play at half speed. Same result.
    Myth busted.
    (BTW: using the terms of this video, quantising to 1/64th note triplets would be 1/96. And as others have pointed out, the 3000 only had 1/384 when Dilla was using it. 1/384 doesn’t “swing”. But 1/96 “swings” like Dilla. Try it!)
    “Let’s get more informative on this platform!”

  • @djgeorgieporgie7862
    @djgeorgieporgie7862 Рік тому +2

    Danm Ave they're coming for neck now lo