Yes! Dilla beats still flow and it feels in the pocket despite the rushing/dragging elements, it always comes back in time and doesn't feel off balance. Lofi hip hop is cool but it's like these producers watched a J Dilla UA-cam video and just thought "cool all I have to do is make the drums out of time" 🤦 it's not bad, it's a stylistic choice, but it doesn't flow and groove the way a Dilla beat does.
@@chrisoakleyfx Exactly. "Off-beat" doesn't mean out of rhythm but they conflate the two. You can go outside the confines of the click track and still have a rhythm, and a lot of these lo-fi cats don't bother with that.
“…the grid is essentially being hand drawn by musicians in the moment - That’s what groove is. That’s what a pocket is. And this is the key to playing with other musicians live.” 🔥 Hit it outta the park with this one Brandon. So good.
You hit this one out the park. For me, it's just like hearing Stevie Wonder or James Jamerson for the first time, when you grew up on everybody who followed them and imitated them, and then incorporated it into your own music. It's like, ok wait here's the root of that whole tree. This is another giant who was decades ahead.
🎯 Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, James Brown/JBs, PFunk, and J Dilla. Very different artists all with the same thing in common - people never swung the same way after them Of course it’s others in between too but none more impactful to where we’re at today
This is the best video about Jay Dee that I’ve ever seen. For forever it felt like every video about Dilla just chalked his technique down to “he didn’t use quantize wow”
Yeah, I especially dislike that Vox video. They oversimplified his work Don't Cry by essentially saying, "wow he took kicks and snares from the sample and arranged them regardless of what melodic elements were on top," which is nonsense. Listening to both the original sample and the Dilla flip, you can hear how methodical he was in determining which pieces went together, there's a clear and coherent melody and arrangement to Don't Cry that Dilla created by stitching the right chops together.
@@finkployd6110I agree. But some beats he did do that but still had a method to it. I think he jus knew many ways of manipulating samples. Sometimes he quantized sometimes he didn't. He would swing some parts of his drum tracks, all types of stuff he wasn't scared to do. That's why I myself delight in studying all his stuff, he had so many technics...all on purpose tho!...dat damn Dilla, genius
Dilla made me fall back in love with hiphop and music in general. Growing up in the 90s I hated commercial rap, but when I found J-88/Slum village around 1998 it was a special time for me. Then I went back and connected the dots and realized he worked on a lot of my favorite albums (busta rhymes, pharcyde, tribe, de la soul). It all made sense to me. All the albums I loved growing up from Erykah and Dwele to D'angelo all had his imprint on them. Happy Birthday Dilla. You gave me one of the greatest gifts ever.
Dilla, like Hendrix, Prince, James Brown and even Fletcher Henderson, heard the possibilities instead of accepting the current realities. This is the essence of Genius.
I'm a bit ashamed that I don't know J Dilla that good. I'm a 90s hiphop fan but with the explanation of this video and only an hour of deep dive on Spotify I gotta say your reaction is spot on friend 👍
@@CantTellYou Jesus dude really, you know full what he meant but you're in here with that comment. Awesome. Excellent contribution. Bet you're fun at parties.
THIS IS THE GREATEST VID I’VE EVER SEEN ON SWING & QUANTIZATION!!! Not only did you thoroughly cover that in a fashion that’s easily digestible for all, but you also broke down the programming methodology of the production master: DILLA!!! Absolutely loved how you ventured throughout history for context and brought everything home for a grand finale…..and all in 20 mins!!! Over the years I’ve consumed tons of content on the subject that was no where near as informative or efficient. I’ll say it again, Your Delivery & Presentation style is greatly valued. Another great vid. Thank you. Your efforts are strongly appreciated! 🙌🏽
Love that you’re getting increasingly elaborate with your videos. Especially liked that you moved past people’s explanations of Dilla as “lack of quantize”
You don’t get enough credit for these video bro. The amount of time it takes to prepare all of these examples, film, and edit them all in a digestible format is unbelievably admirable. I look forward to each and every upload from you bro!! Thank you for your efforts. Also, happy birthday Dilla 🤍
Great video as always. One thing maybe worth mentioning not only regarding Dilla and his timing but more about 90s Hip Hop in general: Chopping samples on the older Beat Machines like the SP1200 or the MPC60/3000 wasn‘t that accurate as you had no waveform on display, so you had to truncate them by ear and numbers. This often times led into some dead space before the actual sample hit which gives them a unique grid even with the quantization on. If you ever chopped a drum break on an SP1200 you‘ll know what i mean. Keep on posting the good stuff. PEACE!
i've watched some videos of old legends building a beat and they talk about intentionally leaving "air" before the hit. and yeah all of that adds looseness and swing
This shines some new light. As a beatmaker myself, I wondered how he can get so much groove when a lot of his drum loops are 2 or even 1 bar! With so many layers of natural off timings, you have to keep the mechanical quantization short to snap the ear back.
This video perfectly explains what has confused me so much about Dilla. Every other source says 'no quantisation' but his beats all had such a strong consistency to them that I couldn't replicate when trying to make a beat in his style, definitely gonna read that book now!
So I'm a drummer, and as I've started to expand past my genre, this style beat has been something that has infatuated me more than almost anything, especially coming from a genre such as metal that is *so* reliant on the drums being right on the beat. When I heard other drummers around town playing these kinds of beats I began asking around with a limited vocabulary to try and learn more about this style and was met with either a similar level of ignorance/thirst for knowledge, or in very few cases, weirdly enough, gatekeeping. Today I finally made the Dilla connection, and this video is such great supplemental material for my educational journey. Thank you so much for all the work put into this!
Absolutely stoked I came across this channel. As a game composer and hiphop producer, I think it's absolutely imperative to utilize both human feel AND quantize whenever it calls for it. J Dilla managed to do both. Looking forward to watching more vids!
I've been hoping you'd make a video about this since you briefly mentioned it in an earlier video. And it does not disappoint. I love how you not only explained it very well, but also put it in a historical context.
Stellar work as usual Diggs. The musical impact is huge. When I listen to Common's flow and delivery after "Resurrection", it feels like this drag-rush pattern as well, beyond working the syllables. I'm starting to think whatever made Dilla work the beats his way also impacted Common's rhymes, even if it was a parallel development. He already sounded a bit different on "One Day...". Them being friends later in life just makes musical sense.
Dude, coming into this after DJ Shortkut did a tribute stream for Dilla for his birthday on the 7th was perfect. I purposefully waited so I could see where this was going to go, and you should be called Hercules because you went the distance in this explanation. Thank you so much for doing such an in depth analysis on this, because I had no idea how important Dilla was to the game of music. It always sounded natural to me, so knowing this is just, amazing. Thank you thank you thank you!
Dilla-time is getting common now in live jazz, I just saw Takuya Kuroda at the NYC Winter Jazzfest where his drummer used it on many songs, saw bands in SanFran doing it as well, asked the drummer why: he said it was Dilla. They played Herbie Hancock and other classic jazz-funk grooves with that hip-hop feel, awesome that it's getting mainstream.
As a channel OG when it was still really small (found you around 2K followers) I'm absolutely stoked that you're blowing up! So well deserved from day one, the quality of your videos has been consistent from the very first video it's great to see you succeed. Props to you my dude🙏
Kinda feels like bshaw is just doing chapter after chapter of the book. I gotta buy that book! I've always wanted a break down of dilla feel because im not a drummer but i do have some musical background. This makes me appreciate his beats sooooo much more. Thanks for the amazin content brother!
I've used the book as a source a lot as it's THE best Dilla resource - though I'm trying to give additional context, examples, and weave more ideas into it. There is SO much more in the book on every aspect of Dilla so please go buy a copy
Your breakdowns are magnificent, man. I hope that you cover Large Professor and the yeoman-like work he puts into his production. Especially the layered construction he did with "Looking Out the Front Door". I'm still mystified on how all the elements that comprise that song work so well together. Classic.
What an amazing rundown of the history and technique. Thank you for keeping these important crafts accessible with your thorough and articulate teaching style. I love how you leave in the mistakes to show how these are real imaginative skills that are very difficult to cop.
Maaannnn thanks for explaining this so vividly. I'm currently reading Dilla Time and was having a hard time wrapping my head around this concept. Your channel is awesome!
For technical reasons, the Roland Tr 808 has a certain inaccuracy from very high bpm values, which normalizes again after the 16 steps in the pattern. So you can say that the Roland Tr 808 has a certain swing. Drum and bass producers in the 90s in particular took advantage of this. And if Rick Rubin wanted the 808 to groove all he had to do was set it to 166 instead of 83 bpm and connect pattern A and B to get a "normal" fast 4 beats / 1 bar pattern again. Greetings from Germany
Man! This was great! What people don’t get… is Dilla tapped the soul.. when a drummer messed up or flammed a little off He loved the human aspect of music. As a drummer I love and still do love dilla’s compositions. Plus the bass lines chillin with the kick gracing the samples. 🤯 Dilla brought the human to electronics. He’ll always be dope.
dude every video you do is so well put together and edited well enough to keep my adhd infested brain focused throughout. stellar. as a producer watching you break everything down is bleeding into my production and making it so much better! thank you🙏🏻
Good analysis. But I definitely heard different quantization on different parts of grooves before Dilla. I distinctly remember noticing it and digging it in some stuff by Gang Starr. It was stuff that DJ Premier clearly quantized separately to make a very cool groove, and it's deliberate. And one time I was fortunate enough to be in the studio with DeLa Soul and they were definitely doing something similar, but more with adjusting start times of samples. Like having multiple copies of a sample and achieving a unique pocket by editing the start times. Because this was before DAWs were everywhere and they were doing it with an SP1200. You could say Dilla took it further. He got more elaborate and really explored it. But don't leave out Premier and others when you talk about this stuff! Something I've noticed editing different parts in a daw to make them work together: some of the coolest human-grooves have little fluctuations of rush/drag pocket stuff that aren't the same in every bar, but repeat over groups of bars or in sections of a song. I've seen it more often when working with better musicians.
man i've been getting your vids in my reccomended for a couple days now and i've gotta say you have such an obvious and infectious passion for hip hop, and i've found your commentary to be a lot more insightful than a lot of music breakdown channels (not trying to hate on those guys btw, they're just not really for me). Keep up the dope videos
🙏🙏 I did have help on this video - Mario on drums, obviously, as well as additional camera work for the drum segments. Trying to make these bigger and better so I'll be enlisting more help as the channel grows - because yes, it is a lot for one person to do haha
This was such a great breakdown. I grew up learning drums and everytime I hear a Dilla style beat it drives me nuts 😂 you're comment at 18:30 is spot on
Thanks for the video dude, I always enjoy them. No disrespect here at all to JD as I absolutely love his productions and beats, but he was definitely not the first to use this style of programming on the MPC. I think even he would have said so, and I have seen interviews where he says that it was not his invention. I think a lot of people credit him with being the first to use the quantize in the way you describe, but there were a ton of us doing it in the early 90s. I think he was perhaps the first big successful producer to be doing it. I am in no way a big producer but I have been producing since the mid 80s and I know I was programming like that in the late 80s, early 90s with my MPC60 and 3000, and there were a ton of guys I was following (copying) in the late 80s, early 90s doing the same thing, and not just in Hip Hop but also in House music (Todd Terry, Kenny Dope, etc). We were trying to get the feel of a real drummer but needed to keep it locked in because House music DJs needed that consistent beat to be able to mix. People like Todd and Kenny do not get anywhere near the credit they deserve, and as I said, they were using this quantize/not quantize feel on their drums before JD became known, and we were all copying them. I think it just gets less coverage because Hip Hop was way bigger than House music in the 90s (especially in the US). There is no mention at all of this in the Dilla Time book and when I read it I was slightly disappointed that no mention was made of these guys, especially considering Kenny and JD were friends. I get that the book is mostly about Hip Hop, but I feel Dan perhaps didn't do his research as thoroughly as he could have and people are easy to pass JD the crown of inventing this style of programming because they also have not researched as much as perhaps they could have (and everybody else is saying it adn we can't speak out against the masses can we lol). Anyway, thanks again for the video bro, I look forward to the next one. Peace.
@@Djangounframed yes as I said, I don’t want to take anything away from Dilla’s legacy. It’s phenomenal the influence he has had on all of us, but yeh, he wasn’t the first to program like this. But people will bury their heads in the sand because it shatters their romantic fantasies of one man and a drum machine reinventing music. The truth of the matter is his whole sound was a combination of a ton of different equipment, other engineers, etc.
I'm no musician but always been a big music addict. Your great videos make me feel so much music-smartER and make me understand what is that I like so much in this music you explain so well.
I love how he is trying to explain the digitization of music with a grid example. When you quantize any analog signal (music/etc) you get this digital grid of points. You apply digital filters to remove noise, add effects and then turn that same digital clean signal back to analog. As an electrical engineer I love this aspect of engineering. Main reason why I became an engineer.
Its interesting that what Dilla did to revolutionise music, Dan Charnas has done to revolutionise the public's understanding of Dilla. Dilla Time is groundbreaking work, and also this channel is perhaps the best music channel on UA-cam, every video is amazing.
Yeah there’s a Dilla beat (I forgot which one) He starts the song and then says “Let me make the Hi Hats sloppy” and then the hi hats have a delayed feel.
Love your videos, Digging The Greats... keep up the great work! Great analysis of dope topics 🔥🔥🔥 I need to get that _Dilla Time_ book - I keep hearing how amazing it is.
Dude, your videos are AMAZING. This is such a great breakdown of quantization and Dilla's style that is easily digestible for the both the music producer and the casual music fan. Please keep making videos. Your creative voice and knowledge is unique. Thank you!!
Excellent video sir. Props to the great Roger Linn for the MPC and to the one and only Dilla for taking it to unheard of levels. Let's continue to be inspired to keep pushing music forward -- and having fun in the process. Peace.
Wow. I love all of your videos but this one is really special! I have no technical understanding of music whatsoever, I just really really really love hip hop and Dilla especially, but you explain things so beautifully that im able to grasp it. I’ve been subscribed for a while now and I was thrilled to see a new dilla vid on dilla day! Please keep up the good work, you are truly gifted at what you do!
I think this might be the first Dilla breakdown video of this era of trendy Dilla breakdown content that didn't annoy me even one bit 😂...this was excellent
Man thanks for doing this video on my favorite Producer of all time. Your videos are mad insightful and you recreating all of this shows how true to the game you are. Much success to you brother !
You are amazing at breaking things down. You are an excellent teacher and bass player. That backspin needs work, though. I'm only teasing you. Great presentation.
Man I gotta say sometimes I hate the "algorithm" but damned if I wasn't blessed for it to bring me to your channel. I was obsessed with the Song Exploder podcast but it wasn't quite as comprehensive as I had hoped, and damn dude, you really hit all the marks. Thank you so much for your content and I'm along for the ride from here on out.
Thank you for breaking down the quantising for this. So many people think about this in the context of a computer but it’s so bound into the MPCs workflow that it’s easy to overthink it or think it’s all unquantized.
This is a very informative video. One tip for all DJs, try NOT TO LOOK AT THE COMPUTER AND FEEL THE MIX INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE WAV FORMS TO MATCH THE BEAT. Before computers, playing on vinyl DJs feel the mix with ears and fingers tips. LOVE THIS VIDEO
Great overview in giving the art of Dilla historical context. Dilla's contribution cannot be overstated. He shifted the consciousness of rhythm. Shifting consciousness is arguably the key element of any art viewed as new, innovative or "original" (of course everything builds on what came before, but you knew that). In order to shift consciousness, one must have a deep understanding of its current state to be shifted, which Dilla's knowledge of drumming, beats and rhythms of the latter half of the 20th century afforded him. Yes, microprocessor miniaturization in that timeframe enabled the mass production of digital tools, without which, Dilla could not have commanded, directed, manipulate the numerous elements that would result in such a shift. But it was his singular, amazing insight into the elements that comprised rhythm, and more importantly, how it was perceived and experienced up until that time, that is the genius in the equation, how to employ them to force a change of that perception and shift the consciousness of rhythm. Incredible, yes? Indeed. Now, imagine someone doing all that without any benefit of microprocessors and the many adjustments, settings they made available to refine, quantization being just one...doing it only with their insight into all that came before, the state of consciousness at the time, and only their analog instrument and singing voice to shift not only perception of rhythm, but of time, itself and doing so created an audio rendering of a new epoch, modernity. That is what Louis Armstrong did...he created the click track the world would chart on to this day. This is not to say Dilla is any less great or Armstrong more so....but different....yes Armstrong did not have the tools Dilla did, but he also didn't have 10s of millions of musicians working to achieve what he did in a mass media global network intricately entwined, as Dilla did, but only Dilla created Dilla time. Thanks again for giving Dilla's genius a proper context, great work.
Brilliant, rich video man. Love the grids and how you use this to explain something that's unexplainable about hip hop (I think it applies to other electronic music too). I used to think of it as "computer music with soul". Something unique about the interface of humans and tech. A band playing hip hop, can sometimes be dull. But a drum machine playing hip hop sounds soulless. It's the obsession of artists to go back into the music once the sounds have been created, and arranged and to cut and edit and re-arrange and find those spaces and times that shouldn't work, but do. It's here where the indescribable magic is. Your video is the closest to an actual explanation I've never seen. Props!
Going through a lot of the videos and man the quality is off the charts. Had to come see this one cause my personal favorite artist Jon Bellion says Dilla is one of his biggest influemces and also a big reason he makes music today.
Happy late birthday to two of the greatest producers! Also that dillas direct inspiration is just the final song of piece of the action is maybe my favorite tidbit from the book. The author's episode on Rick Rubins podcast is also a must listen
The video was AMAZING. The arrangement of all the parts, the build up before brinhing J dilla into focus, everything was so good. Initially I was thinking like, "Why are you going all over thr place? What do these things have to do with J dilla?" But the way how everything just connected at the end is dope. Subscribed!!
J Dilla's style was hugely influential in the making of Janet Jackson's "The Velvet Rope." You can hear the influence in "Got Til It's Gone" and "I Get Lonely."
Wow Pa!!! Thanks thanks thanks... it's difficult to Understand the Scientific part of the Incredible Music that he Made!!! You explained Good... For me it's like not only the claps or percussion... The atmospheres and bass, the keys... The sample or without sampling... Pure Djedi Magic... Thanks thanks thanks!!! Good Vibes Namaste Haribol Asewe!
I feel like this is the thing that Lo-Fi hip-hop misses BIG on. J Dilla's drums were never awkwardly off-beat
Exactly
Bro thank you I hate this Clanky off beat shit
There’s always a method to the madness
Yes! Dilla beats still flow and it feels in the pocket despite the rushing/dragging elements, it always comes back in time and doesn't feel off balance. Lofi hip hop is cool but it's like these producers watched a J Dilla UA-cam video and just thought "cool all I have to do is make the drums out of time" 🤦 it's not bad, it's a stylistic choice, but it doesn't flow and groove the way a Dilla beat does.
@@chrisoakleyfx Exactly. "Off-beat" doesn't mean out of rhythm but they conflate the two. You can go outside the confines of the click track and still have a rhythm, and a lot of these lo-fi cats don't bother with that.
“…the grid is essentially being hand drawn by musicians in the moment - That’s what groove is. That’s what a pocket is. And this is the key to playing with other musicians live.” 🔥 Hit it outta the park with this one Brandon. So good.
Dude I haven’t even watched the video yet and I’m already schooled by that quote!
You hit this one out the park. For me, it's just like hearing Stevie Wonder or James Jamerson for the first time, when you grew up on everybody who followed them and imitated them, and then incorporated it into your own music. It's like, ok wait here's the root of that whole tree. This is another giant who was decades ahead.
🙏🙏 yes a MONUMENTAL contribution to all of music - RIP J Dilla
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Yessir. Couldn’t agree more especially with James Jamerson (the 🐐). All my baseline’s are just jamerson rip offs. ✊
🎯 Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, James Brown/JBs, PFunk, and J Dilla. Very different artists all with the same thing in common - people never swung the same way after them
Of course it’s others in between too but none more impactful to where we’re at today
This is the best video about Jay Dee that I’ve ever seen. For forever it felt like every video about Dilla just chalked his technique down to “he didn’t use quantize wow”
Agreed! This is the first "what made Dilla great" video of this era of trendy Dilla content that didn't annoy me one bit lol
@@pickenchewsfr lol
Yeah, I especially dislike that Vox video. They oversimplified his work Don't Cry by essentially saying, "wow he took kicks and snares from the sample and arranged them regardless of what melodic elements were on top," which is nonsense. Listening to both the original sample and the Dilla flip, you can hear how methodical he was in determining which pieces went together, there's a clear and coherent melody and arrangement to Don't Cry that Dilla created by stitching the right chops together.
@@finkployd6110I agree. But some beats he did do that but still had a method to it. I think he jus knew many ways of manipulating samples. Sometimes he quantized sometimes he didn't. He would swing some parts of his drum tracks, all types of stuff he wasn't scared to do. That's why I myself delight in studying all his stuff, he had so many technics...all on purpose tho!...dat damn Dilla, genius
I don't usually comment, but man, your videos are just so informative and calming, I just want to congratulate you. Keep on doing you
Thank you 🙏
Dilla made me fall back in love with hiphop and music in general. Growing up in the 90s I hated commercial rap, but when I found J-88/Slum village around 1998 it was a special time for me. Then I went back and connected the dots and realized he worked on a lot of my favorite albums (busta rhymes, pharcyde, tribe, de la soul). It all made sense to me. All the albums I loved growing up from Erykah and Dwele to D'angelo all had his imprint on them. Happy Birthday Dilla. You gave me one of the greatest gifts ever.
Same here. After hearing Stakes is High rmx...I was always checking for his credits. 🎼💪🏿
Dilla, like Hendrix, Prince, James Brown and even Fletcher Henderson, heard the possibilities instead of accepting the current realities. This is the essence of Genius.
I'm a bit ashamed that I don't know J Dilla that good. I'm a 90s hiphop fan but with the explanation of this video and only an hour of deep dive on Spotify I gotta say your reaction is spot on friend 👍
Fletcher Henderson??! In addition to the random do us a favor stop with the awkward name drops of artists you know nothing about 😂😂😂
Fletcher Henderson, huh?
People forget/don't know J Dilla could actually play drums. That easily added to how he heard and could program his drums. The man was gifted.
People forget that he could actually play the instruments that he also often sampled? Or did those people just not know
@@CantTellYou Jesus dude really, you know full what he meant but you're in here with that comment. Awesome. Excellent contribution. Bet you're fun at parties.
THIS IS THE GREATEST VID I’VE EVER SEEN ON SWING & QUANTIZATION!!! Not only did you thoroughly cover that in a fashion that’s easily digestible for all, but you also broke down the programming methodology of the production master: DILLA!!! Absolutely loved how you ventured throughout history for context and brought everything home for a grand finale…..and all in 20 mins!!! Over the years I’ve consumed tons of content on the subject that was no where near as informative or efficient. I’ll say it again, Your Delivery & Presentation style is greatly valued. Another great vid. Thank you. Your efforts are strongly appreciated! 🙌🏽
On the way into work today jamming Jay Dee, and Lightworks came on with the most beautiful sunrise…man I damn near shed a tear. Happy Birthday J 🍩
RIP J Dilla
Aww man! I felt it.
Love that you’re getting increasingly elaborate with your videos. Especially liked that you moved past people’s explanations of Dilla as “lack of quantize”
I honestly cannot believe that you’re releasing these vids for free. Thank you for all you do!!!
Yeah, this dude is awesome.
You don’t get enough credit for these video bro. The amount of time it takes to prepare all of these examples, film, and edit them all in a digestible format is unbelievably admirable. I look forward to each and every upload from you bro!! Thank you for your efforts.
Also, happy birthday Dilla 🤍
Happy birthday j Dilla you gave your soul to music may people enjoy your beats until the end of time
Jay !! Asewe!!!
Happy birthday Nujabes
Great video as always. One thing maybe worth mentioning not only regarding Dilla and his timing but more about 90s Hip Hop in general: Chopping samples on the older Beat Machines like the SP1200 or the MPC60/3000 wasn‘t that accurate as you had no waveform on display, so you had to truncate them by ear and numbers. This often times led into some dead space before the actual sample hit which gives them a unique grid even with the quantization on. If you ever chopped a drum break on an SP1200 you‘ll know what i mean. Keep on posting the good stuff. PEACE!
i've watched some videos of old legends building a beat and they talk about intentionally leaving "air" before the hit. and yeah all of that adds looseness and swing
This shines some new light. As a beatmaker myself, I wondered how he can get so much groove when a lot of his drum loops are 2 or even 1 bar! With so many layers of natural off timings, you have to keep the mechanical quantization short to snap the ear back.
Keep it going! Love what you do.
For real?! Thank you for the support! 🙏 This means so much 🙏
Biggest donation Ive seen so far on UA-cam in a comment, congrats to both of you 💪😁 great vid btw!
This video perfectly explains what has confused me so much about Dilla. Every other source says 'no quantisation' but his beats all had such a strong consistency to them that I couldn't replicate when trying to make a beat in his style, definitely gonna read that book now!
So I'm a drummer, and as I've started to expand past my genre, this style beat has been something that has infatuated me more than almost anything, especially coming from a genre such as metal that is *so* reliant on the drums being right on the beat. When I heard other drummers around town playing these kinds of beats I began asking around with a limited vocabulary to try and learn more about this style and was met with either a similar level of ignorance/thirst for knowledge, or in very few cases, weirdly enough, gatekeeping. Today I finally made the Dilla connection, and this video is such great supplemental material for my educational journey. Thank you so much for all the work put into this!
Absolutely stoked I came across this channel. As a game composer and hiphop producer, I think it's absolutely imperative to utilize both human feel AND quantize whenever it calls for it. J Dilla managed to do both. Looking forward to watching more vids!
I've been hoping you'd make a video about this since you briefly mentioned it in an earlier video. And it does not disappoint. I love how you not only explained it very well, but also put it in a historical context.
Stellar work as usual Diggs.
The musical impact is huge. When I listen to Common's flow and delivery after "Resurrection", it feels like this drag-rush pattern as well, beyond working the syllables. I'm starting to think whatever made Dilla work the beats his way also impacted Common's rhymes, even if it was a parallel development. He already sounded a bit different on "One Day...". Them being friends later in life just makes musical sense.
I was watching this on my TV. Now I'm watching on my phone, IT'S SO GOOD. I CAN'T PUT IT DOWN.
🙏🙏
Dude, coming into this after DJ Shortkut did a tribute stream for Dilla for his birthday on the 7th was perfect. I purposefully waited so I could see where this was going to go, and you should be called Hercules because you went the distance in this explanation. Thank you so much for doing such an in depth analysis on this, because I had no idea how important Dilla was to the game of music. It always sounded natural to me, so knowing this is just, amazing. Thank you thank you thank you!
Dilla-time is getting common now in live jazz, I just saw Takuya Kuroda at the NYC Winter Jazzfest where his drummer used it on many songs, saw bands in SanFran doing it as well, asked the drummer why: he said it was Dilla. They played Herbie Hancock and other classic jazz-funk grooves with that hip-hop feel, awesome that it's getting mainstream.
As a channel OG when it was still really small (found you around 2K followers) I'm absolutely stoked that you're blowing up! So well deserved from day one, the quality of your videos has been consistent from the very first video it's great to see you succeed. Props to you my dude🙏
Thank you for the support! 🙏
This is such a good video. It’s the only video where they don’t just say _“he turned the quantisation off”_
Kinda feels like bshaw is just doing chapter after chapter of the book. I gotta buy that book! I've always wanted a break down of dilla feel because im not a drummer but i do have some musical background. This makes me appreciate his beats sooooo much more. Thanks for the amazin content brother!
I've used the book as a source a lot as it's THE best Dilla resource - though I'm trying to give additional context, examples, and weave more ideas into it. There is SO much more in the book on every aspect of Dilla so please go buy a copy
That's why i love Jazz music, it can go in whatever direction it pleases.
Your breakdowns are magnificent, man. I hope that you cover Large Professor and the yeoman-like work he puts into his production. Especially the layered construction he did with "Looking Out the Front Door". I'm still mystified on how all the elements that comprise that song work so well together. Classic.
What an amazing rundown of the history and technique. Thank you for keeping these important crafts accessible with your thorough and articulate teaching style. I love how you leave in the mistakes to show how these are real imaginative skills that are very difficult to cop.
Maaannnn thanks for explaining this so vividly. I'm currently reading Dilla Time and was having a hard time wrapping my head around this concept. Your channel is awesome!
Thank you for spending the time to make these you are appreciated more than you know!
For technical reasons, the Roland Tr 808 has a certain inaccuracy from very high bpm values, which normalizes again after the 16 steps in the pattern.
So you can say that the Roland Tr 808 has a certain swing.
Drum and bass producers in the 90s in particular took advantage of this.
And if Rick Rubin wanted the 808 to groove all he had to do was set it to 166 instead of 83 bpm and connect pattern A and B to get a "normal" fast 4 beats / 1 bar pattern again.
Greetings from Germany
Another great one big dawg. Salute. And released on his birthday. Rest In Beats J Dilla.
Dilla Time is an amazing book. Glad you made a great video helping cover it!
Man! This was great! What people don’t get… is Dilla tapped the soul.. when a drummer messed up or flammed a little off
He loved the human aspect of music. As a drummer I love and still do love dilla’s compositions. Plus the bass lines chillin with the kick gracing the samples. 🤯 Dilla brought the human to electronics. He’ll always be dope.
dude every video you do is so well put together and edited well enough to keep my adhd infested brain focused throughout. stellar. as a producer watching you break everything down is bleeding into my production and making it so much better! thank you🙏🏻
Good analysis. But I definitely heard different quantization on different parts of grooves before Dilla. I distinctly remember noticing it and digging it in some stuff by Gang Starr. It was stuff that DJ Premier clearly quantized separately to make a very cool groove, and it's deliberate. And one time I was fortunate enough to be in the studio with DeLa Soul and they were definitely doing something similar, but more with adjusting start times of samples. Like having multiple copies of a sample and achieving a unique pocket by editing the start times. Because this was before DAWs were everywhere and they were doing it with an SP1200. You could say Dilla took it further. He got more elaborate and really explored it. But don't leave out Premier and others when you talk about this stuff!
Something I've noticed editing different parts in a daw to make them work together: some of the coolest human-grooves have little fluctuations of rush/drag pocket stuff that aren't the same in every bar, but repeat over groups of bars or in sections of a song. I've seen it more often when working with better musicians.
YES! I really hoped that you would do something about J Dilla on his Birthday =)
Had to! RIP J Dilla
Bro this is the best video explaining Dills's groove i've ever seen. It felt like a Juilliard lecture or something
Incredibly well produced videos with lots of thoughtful insights! Deserves way more recognition.
Just finished the book a couple of weeks ago. This was an amazing breakdown.
quickly turning into one of my favorite channels, great work
I love hip-hop and its history! Your channel is a breath of fresh air at deconstructing all of it. I appreciate everything you're doing!
i love this style, taking heavy inspo from charnas’ book but making the script your OWN and with great visuals. love the channel
best dilla production video ive seen
man i've been getting your vids in my reccomended for a couple days now and i've gotta say you have such an obvious and infectious passion for hip hop, and i've found your commentary to be a lot more insightful than a lot of music breakdown channels (not trying to hate on those guys btw, they're just not really for me). Keep up the dope videos
Yeah, I watched Anderson Paak when he played with Bruno Mars, and he was playing drums Dilla Time AND SINGING... incredible! Thanks for this vid
The analogies you used in this video were incredible. Thank you dude.
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If you told me a whole team of people was behind this I would believe you. But to think it's one man is insane and inspiring
🙏🙏 I did have help on this video - Mario on drums, obviously, as well as additional camera work for the drum segments. Trying to make these bigger and better so I'll be enlisting more help as the channel grows - because yes, it is a lot for one person to do haha
@@diggingthegreats Not just this video.
Your flow, your timing, your editing, your subject matter, YOU 🫵🏿
I luh it all chief
Thank you, this means a lot! 🙏
This was such a great breakdown. I grew up learning drums and everytime I hear a Dilla style beat it drives me nuts 😂 you're comment at 18:30 is spot on
Your metaphors are incredibly pedagogical! Thanks for breaking this down for us
Thanks for the video dude, I always enjoy them. No disrespect here at all to JD as I absolutely love his productions and beats, but he was definitely not the first to use this style of programming on the MPC. I think even he would have said so, and I have seen interviews where he says that it was not his invention. I think a lot of people credit him with being the first to use the quantize in the way you describe, but there were a ton of us doing it in the early 90s. I think he was perhaps the first big successful producer to be doing it. I am in no way a big producer but I have been producing since the mid 80s and I know I was programming like that in the late 80s, early 90s with my MPC60 and 3000, and there were a ton of guys I was following (copying) in the late 80s, early 90s doing the same thing, and not just in Hip Hop but also in House music (Todd Terry, Kenny Dope, etc). We were trying to get the feel of a real drummer but needed to keep it locked in because House music DJs needed that consistent beat to be able to mix. People like Todd and Kenny do not get anywhere near the credit they deserve, and as I said, they were using this quantize/not quantize feel on their drums before JD became known, and we were all copying them. I think it just gets less coverage because Hip Hop was way bigger than House music in the 90s (especially in the US). There is no mention at all of this in the Dilla Time book and when I read it I was slightly disappointed that no mention was made of these guys, especially considering Kenny and JD were friends. I get that the book is mostly about Hip Hop, but I feel Dan perhaps didn't do his research as thoroughly as he could have and people are easy to pass JD the crown of inventing this style of programming because they also have not researched as much as perhaps they could have (and everybody else is saying it adn we can't speak out against the masses can we lol). Anyway, thanks again for the video bro, I look forward to the next one. Peace.
@@Djangounframed yes as I said, I don’t want to take anything away from Dilla’s legacy. It’s phenomenal the influence he has had on all of us, but yeh, he wasn’t the first to program like this. But people will bury their heads in the sand because it shatters their romantic fantasies of one man and a drum machine reinventing music. The truth of the matter is his whole sound was a combination of a ton of different equipment, other engineers, etc.
I'm no musician but always been a big music addict. Your great videos make me feel so much music-smartER and make me understand what is that I like so much in this music you explain so well.
Love your videos and how you take an idea that has been discussed but put a whole new nerdy spin on it!
Not a big UA-cam commenter, but man your videos just scratch that musical itch and I always learn so much. Thank you Digging The Greats
You dropped another gem, probably the best breakdown of Dilla's beatmaking style to be found on UA-cam.
I love how he is trying to explain the digitization of music with a grid example. When you quantize any analog signal (music/etc) you get this digital grid of points. You apply digital filters to remove noise, add effects and then turn that same digital clean signal back to analog. As an electrical engineer I love this aspect of engineering. Main reason why I became an engineer.
Its interesting that what Dilla did to revolutionise music, Dan Charnas has done to revolutionise the public's understanding of Dilla. Dilla Time is groundbreaking work, and also this channel is perhaps the best music channel on UA-cam, every video is amazing.
Yeah there’s a Dilla beat (I forgot which one) He starts the song and then says “Let me make the Hi Hats sloppy” and then the hi hats have a delayed feel.
Love your videos, Digging The Greats... keep up the great work!
Great analysis of dope topics 🔥🔥🔥
I need to get that _Dilla Time_ book - I keep hearing how amazing it is.
Dude, your videos are AMAZING. This is such a great breakdown of quantization and Dilla's style that is easily digestible for the both the music producer and the casual music fan. Please keep making videos. Your creative voice and knowledge is unique. Thank you!!
Great video! The demonstration with the MPC at the end is super cool
Excellent video sir. Props to the great Roger Linn for the MPC and to the one and only Dilla for taking it to unheard of levels. Let's continue to be inspired to keep pushing music forward -- and having fun in the process. Peace.
fam this channel GREW 🤯🤯 well deserved
Thank you Dilla, Thank you DTG
RIP J Dilla
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Wow. I love all of your videos but this one is really special! I have no technical understanding of music whatsoever, I just really really really love hip hop and Dilla especially, but you explain things so beautifully that im able to grasp it. I’ve been subscribed for a while now and I was thrilled to see a new dilla vid on dilla day! Please keep up the good work, you are truly gifted at what you do!
You are the goat bro absolutely shredding Vox apart
I think this might be the first Dilla breakdown video of this era of trendy Dilla breakdown content that didn't annoy me even one bit 😂...this was excellent
“Let’s see how that sounds”
MIND BLOWN 🤯🤯🤯
I would thoroughly enjoy a podcast centered around this and other musical topics
🙏🏽 hope this channel blows tf up, so many of your videos show you to be a perfect ambassador for real, LIVE music
Man thanks for doing this video on my favorite Producer of all time.
Your videos are mad insightful and you recreating all of this shows how true to the game you are. Much success to you brother !
You are amazing at breaking things down. You are an excellent teacher and bass player. That backspin needs work, though. I'm only teasing you. Great presentation.
Man I gotta say sometimes I hate the "algorithm" but damned if I wasn't blessed for it to bring me to your channel. I was obsessed with the Song Exploder podcast but it wasn't quite as comprehensive as I had hoped, and damn dude, you really hit all the marks. Thank you so much for your content and I'm along for the ride from here on out.
Thank you for breaking down the quantising for this. So many people think about this in the context of a computer but it’s so bound into the MPCs workflow that it’s easy to overthink it or think it’s all unquantized.
This is a very informative video. One tip for all DJs, try NOT TO LOOK AT THE COMPUTER AND FEEL THE MIX INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT THE WAV FORMS TO MATCH THE BEAT. Before computers, playing on vinyl DJs feel the mix with ears and fingers tips.
LOVE THIS VIDEO
I feel like I just had a college level class on musicality.. I freakin loved every second of it. New follower... Keep it coming.
RIP Dilla, man. One of the best to ever do it. Still bumpin his music to this day.
Great overview in giving the art of Dilla historical context. Dilla's contribution cannot be overstated. He shifted the consciousness of rhythm. Shifting consciousness is arguably the key element of any art viewed as new, innovative or "original" (of course everything builds on what came before, but you knew that). In order to shift consciousness, one must have a deep understanding of its current state to be shifted, which Dilla's knowledge of drumming, beats and rhythms of the latter half of the 20th century afforded him. Yes, microprocessor miniaturization in that timeframe enabled the mass production of digital tools, without which, Dilla could not have commanded, directed, manipulate the numerous elements that would result in such a shift. But it was his singular, amazing insight into the elements that comprised rhythm, and more importantly, how it was perceived and experienced up until that time, that is the genius in the equation, how to employ them to force a change of that perception and shift the consciousness of rhythm. Incredible, yes? Indeed. Now, imagine someone doing all that without any benefit of microprocessors and the many adjustments, settings they made available to refine, quantization being just one...doing it only with their insight into all that came before, the state of consciousness at the time, and only their analog instrument and singing voice to shift not only perception of rhythm, but of time, itself and doing so created an audio rendering of a new epoch, modernity. That is what Louis Armstrong did...he created the click track the world would chart on to this day. This is not to say Dilla is any less great or Armstrong more so....but different....yes Armstrong did not have the tools Dilla did, but he also didn't have 10s of millions of musicians working to achieve what he did in a mass media global network intricately entwined, as Dilla did, but only Dilla created Dilla time. Thanks again for giving Dilla's genius a proper context, great work.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! Perfect video for Dilla Day!
Brilliant, rich video man. Love the grids and how you use this to explain something that's unexplainable about hip hop (I think it applies to other electronic music too). I used to think of it as "computer music with soul". Something unique about the interface of humans and tech. A band playing hip hop, can sometimes be dull. But a drum machine playing hip hop sounds soulless. It's the obsession of artists to go back into the music once the sounds have been created, and arranged and to cut and edit and re-arrange and find those spaces and times that shouldn't work, but do. It's here where the indescribable magic is. Your video is the closest to an actual explanation I've never seen. Props!
Really great video, Been trying to fully understand swing for years, and you made that happen!
Going through a lot of the videos and man the quality is off the charts. Had to come see this one cause my personal favorite artist Jon Bellion says Dilla is one of his biggest influemces and also a big reason he makes music today.
Happy late birthday to two of the greatest producers!
Also that dillas direct inspiration is just the final song of piece of the action is maybe my favorite tidbit from the book. The author's episode on Rick Rubins podcast is also a must listen
The video was AMAZING. The arrangement of all the parts, the build up before brinhing J dilla into focus, everything was so good. Initially I was thinking like, "Why are you going all over thr place? What do these things have to do with J dilla?" But the way how everything just connected at the end is dope. Subscribed!!
J Dilla's style was hugely influential in the making of Janet Jackson's "The Velvet Rope." You can hear the influence in "Got Til It's Gone" and "I Get Lonely."
This is one of the best contents on YT!
"I promise it's gonna get really good"... Nope, already was really good. Stellar breakdown and history lesson as always.
OUTSTANDING video! Details upon details, with depth. Thanks for your effort and love that went into this!
amazing video i love your dedication to explaining this as well and clear as possible
Wow Pa!!! Thanks thanks thanks... it's difficult to Understand the Scientific part of the Incredible Music that he Made!!! You explained Good... For me it's like not only the claps or percussion... The atmospheres and bass, the keys... The sample or without sampling... Pure Djedi Magic... Thanks thanks thanks!!! Good Vibes Namaste Haribol Asewe!
This is one of the best videos on music production I've seen. Good shit dude
You are explaining this sooo well, props to you from a professional producer/former drummer
Amazing as always. I look forward to your videos. I would take a semester of this if I could
Awesome video-I love the detail you put into this! So helpful.
As a music fan who doesn't know shit about how music actually works, I found this really helpful. Thanks.
Every video is so damn good man, I learn so much more each time and these outro’s for the next vid, so good
I could watch these videos all day. Awesome job sir?