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You’re right about living for the now. Many religious people think us atheists have nothing to live for, but it’s actually the opposite. We have nothing to die for!!
very wise words
excellent sentiment!
Exactly
Besides
Have you ever looked at the latest translations of the creation event
God's where the people growing on the mountains causing all of that beautiful microorganisms to spread all over the world
To make it green not actually create a planet
I know which I believe
The ancient sumerian tables are also totally forgotten about in any religion
However nearly every pre Jesus story out there come from them same tablets they totally refute
Work that one out
@@rebeccat94 definitely!! If any of this is true and they’ve got the ‘rules’ right, then it sounds like all the cool people are going to the basement anyway 😂
@@emmae4602 "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun." - Billy Joel, Only the good die young (1977).
Norway salutes Fry and his intellect👍👍👍We happily trade religion with a lenghty education, its a sort of a vaccine against dangerous alternative realities like that
Helt enig 👍😁👍
Canada agrees
@@skyhighjaysly3623 I would say „Germany also“, but I can only speak for myself.
@@ludwigsonline3499 i speak for every Canadian...😉
He is a British national treasure - not for his sexuality but for his intellect & charisma! He’s amazing
Neil Oliver outshines Stephen Fry but far.
But he did promote the COVID jab so... not to bright is he!!!
@@garytyme9384 yeah cos he’s part of a the big covid conspiracy surely
@@viviencockle2116 I have huge respect for Neil and his intellect, but he is obviously carrying a huge chip on his shoulder about something. You can see that in everything he does.
@@garytyme9384 Just seen Neil Oliver on GB News. I didn't realise he was a right-wing knob.
Stephen Fry is incredibly smart & well educated gentleman. His oratory is first class & interestingly, he never tries to convert staunch catholics & members of other religions directly but the power of his words can never be dismissed nor denied. Nice one Joel 👏👏👏
I've had arguments in the pub after calling him a national treasure, they all went to 'he's a puff' I gave up with them, obviously couldn't get past their own insecurities.
@@shaneord7527
Tbh, I think him being a "poof" actually makes him more of a national treasure: it's rare to see someone in the LGBT community whose sexuality isn't the forefront of their politics, by choice or labelling of others. His eloquence speaks for itself and provides a great platform because he talks about being gay as naturally as everything else, which is better in my opinion than reductionist attitudes you find in modern versions of identity politics.
@@1215298 You're right. I've never heard bang on about "standing up for Gay rights" in Public like do many do.
I hadn't even thought about that
@@matwatson7947
He doesn't need to he: he perfectly deconstructs the arguments of the religous and hateful the same way he deconstructs politics and sociology. And because of that, he doesn't get reduced to his label by others.
That's why he's a true "gay icon" in my opinion...
That second speech by Stephen is amazing.. it should be taught at school
That whole debate settles the matter for me. Ann Widdecombe was articulate and persuasive, but ultimately wrong. Fry and Hitchens were devastating in their logic and humanity, trouncing the faithful entirely.
I remember reading an article written by Ann Widdecombe when still an MP, talking about carers receiving financial aid looking after elderly relatives. Bragging about that she didn't need help looking after her elderly mother. Remember at the time she was serving (?) And being paid as an MP. So obviously could afford to pay someone to look after her Mother. That people shouldn't need financial aid to look after their elderly Relatives. Never a thought what a struggle it could be for someone in different circumstances. Utterly selfish. I've known many cases of children looking after their elderly, who have never asked for anything, in my own family. And claims to be Christian? What hypocrisy.
It would make RE lessons a lot more interesting. When I was at school that 'subject' was just a massive waste of time.
Stephen Fry is one of the greats British personalities, what ever he does, it's done with elegance, knowledge and style.........🙂
It's hard to argue against Fry's logic. He delivers it brilliantly
It is funny how these religions think that they are the holders of morality yet their actions show otherwise.
Only subverted religions. The original intent was very different.
Think you're conflating religion with belief.
@@annother3350 Because your religion is the 'real' one isn't it? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AlBundyOz I dont have a religion. All the evidence points to intelligent design. In your evolution theory you dont even know what we were before ape -- thats pathetic
@@annother3350 dude what? Would you like me to link you a good explanation of evolution or would you like to remain blissfully ignorant
England is a very secular country and the majority of English people declare (in census’) that they are atheists. To us, the USA seems to be a ridiculously religious country and we find it amazing that so many Americans still believe in it even in the 21st Century!
That's because we shipped all our religious nutters to the States on the Mayflower.
There is more of us than even the census states. They’ve done research in the past into the people who declared themselves Christian, and asked them further questions. It turns out that a portion of them (can’t remember the percentage) are also atheists because they only identified as Christians due to their upbringing, family etc. but admitted that they don’t actually believe in god. Many of them were just christened / baptised as children and therefore identify as Christian but they have no god belief!!
I am in the UK however allot what say there Christian either because there baptised when there kids however allot of different religious movements can go under Christianity as well .. jehovahs witnesses mormons and other movements will class themselves as Christian however are they all.
I am lds Mormon however would I say we are Christian yes but would allot of others no
@@anthonynettleton8346 I forgot Mormon and JW are also Christians, was thinking they would have a separate box to tick on the census but of course that’s wrong. So many different sects with different interpretations but if they all believe in JC then they’re all Christians
@@emmae4602 yes thats true however I know some that would actually tick Christian and then where it says other they put what sect they are . Me and a few friends did this last time round ticked Christian and then put the church of jesus christ of latter day saints (mormon) as it then tells whoever gets the data that there are different sects attended rather than just one
Stephen is the man i would pay a lot of money for to read me stories at night till i fall asleep 👍🏻👌🏻
well lucky for you he has done audio books!
@@DatDirtyDog I meant in person hahaha, yeah i sure he has a few
I love Stephen Fry. Very intelligent man. I’m an atheist too and always enjoy what he has to say on the subject.
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
Roman 1:18-22
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.
Not saying this with a hateful heart but you really need to humble yourself and repent, because if you were honest with yourself you know God exists. You know you have fallen short and the only way to be forgiven is through surrendering yourself to Jesus. When you stand before God you will have no excuse - you will not be able to say to Jesus you were never given an opportunity to know Him.
I get it, this message sounds restrictive and offensive but that's because our sinful flesh is opposed to God. Jesus really is the only way and if I didn't care i would have kept this to myself in fear of rejection. I'll leave this with you, the choice is yours. God bless.
Yeah quoting a bible with 0 evidence is pretty stupid I can quote sentences from Harry Potter doesn’t mean Barry potter is real.
Atheism was invented by freemasons to pull you away from God.
Even Darwin himself believed in the Devil and therefore God. Him and his friends mock you and call you 'the profane' -- the dirt on their shoe....
@@annother3350 Atheism is the natural state, the default position. People can’t believe in a god until they’ve been made aware of the concept by other people, so it wasn’t ‘invented’ by anybody. As long as there have been people who believe in god(s), there have been people who don’t. And why would I care what Darwin did or didn’t believe in, what’s that got to do with me and why would I care? I don’t think your comment had quite the effect you were expecting it to have. You do you, and I’ll do me. Thanks.
@@emmae4602 Darwin's whole theory of evolution was invented to influence gullible people such as yourself into atheism.
Sure, you dont have to care but you'll be in denial.The whole evolutionary timeline is demonstrably false. Do you really think the human reproductive system with all the pieces of the puzzle it needs to work, happened in one generation, in male AND female in parallel -- by accident!?? You cannot be this stupid -- intelligent design is the MOST LIKELY choice -- anything else is a billion billion coincidences!!!!
Always enjoy watching Stephen Fry and your reactions. His voice is so pleasant to listen to and his depth of knowledge and understanding so impressive. We should all strive to do our best for ourselves and others in the here and now and not worry about what may or may not exist beyond that. Peace ✌️
Stephen fry is a absolute legend, brilliant man, agree with him, ..
He always has an interesting take on things, i'm not religious but i have no problem with it as long as they don't try and force it on others, many religious people do turn out to be great people, but equally many none religious people are good people. The problem i have is with the "human running and control" aspect, especially as the top people of the church preach from golden churches claiming love for everyone while so much bad goes on around them.
Stephen Fry is an icon, a legend and he is the moment. 🌈
Also, I loved him as Jeeves in the ‘Wooster and Jeeves’ Adaptation as well as a brief but interesting role in ‘Heartstopper’.
Now come on now
He should receive an honour or Knighthood
He sure is a British national treasure, I have always admired him, he is a magnificent orator, and his eloquence is exquisite... his mind! his intellect! blows my mind, and everything he says resonates with me, I have never bothered to have role models in my life and I have never worshipped idols or stars, but, I can never get enough of him. Great respect for the man. I am impressed, you are so young but have such an understanding of life.
I love him and the way he so eloquently expresses his thoughts.
The correct answer to not knowing is "I don't know". Knowledge is demonstrable.
Stephen Fry's wit and intellect are indeed a national treasure of Britain. I would love to hear his comments on the incredible advances in cosmology due to the Hubble and James Webb Space telescopes, but I don't know if he's ever discussed that topic. Good job Joel. Best, John
As a person who has tried Herione and Cocaine... I would honestly say, you are right. You don't need to try everything to experience the world in all its beauty. Some things are better left alone.
Absolutely. The problem with trying everything is that sometimes those things might impact the duration of, or your enjoyment of, the rest of your life. I am a firm believer in living life to the fullest, but you need to make your decisions in an informed and responsible way.
Heroin*
Four o'clock in the morning and how I'm enjoying, Stephen Fry! Peace!
11:35 Joel, the Queer Ally is here! 🌈
(heaves sigh of relief)
I’m in my 50’s and I was taught exactly what Stephen is articulating about the origins of religion, in religious studies at School in the U.K. We were also taught about all religions, not just Christianity. Life long atheist here.
Religion = control and coercion!
Subverted religion is control and coercion. and most of our religions have been subverted.
@@annother3350 so stupid
@@AlBundyOz More empty name-calling with zero argument.
All main religions have been subverted over the years and destroyed from the inside. How many realise for instance that the black cube at Mecca actually represents Saturn otherwise pronounced Satan?!
I'm afraid you dont know what you're talking about Bundy -- please stop embarassing yourself. I've done years and years of research
You are so respectful of these difficult subjects 😁
Stephen Fry is fantastic - I'm agnostic and agree with everything he said.
And as a gay agnostic who was raised strict Irish Catholic (explains why I have 2 grown up daughters), I find his mind so erotic too!
Of course, but his "empirical" diagnosis ignores belief. And if, like me, you believe in something ineffable, then Fry's mundane "scientific" analysis is, well, meaningless - it assumes a world view that ignores anything else. "Scientific"? If you like. Catholic (in its original meaning) - comes up short. However, these days, he'll be sure of lots of backing from those who only want their own world view and the inane cheers of the stupid.
@@tonyves I'd never deem a human being infallible. Especially ones that cover up child abuse. Sad to see that you think the actions of the infallible Pope are part of what you consider perfection.
I'd pray for you if I thought any good other than a placebo would happen.
@@tonyves you spew your raging hate with many soft words.
Good try though sweetie.
@@tonyves Whenever I hear or see the word 'ineffable', I can't help thinking about this quote from the late, great, Douglas Adams. “Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.”
Stephen is an unqualified credit to our species.
That was an excellent video mate. Take care. Steve.
Stephen Fry's towering intellect, extraordinary breadth of knowledge, mastery of the English language and ability to make his points in elegant and easily comprehensible ways is both breathtaking and beautiful.
Love Stephen Fry well done 👏 your a very wise you man JPS. LOVE YOUR CHANNEL
Excellent choice of video and your take on what Stephen Fry says is simply spot on. Thanks for sharing.
I love your thoughtful take on this topic JPS (John Player Special) cigarettes in my youth! You're a very sensible, considerate young man. Long may you reign! 🤩
The most charismatic entertainer you will ever hear. Done so much for so many people over so many years
Watched this many times. Brilliant speech and a very intuitive reaction.
I'm so glad I found you, just by chance! As an American married to a British, I really enjoy all of your videos! Steven Fry is just an amazing person. I enjoyed all of his videos as well! Keep up the great work!
Met Stephen Fry many times in the mid to late 90s when I was a student at the university of Dundee, Scotland. Stephen Fry was voted by the students to be our Rector (non religious representative for students at the university council etc) he was really great.
Joel you are so refreshing. Stephen talks so much sense it is a shame that so many have their heads in the sand and can't listen to common sense or else can't or won't recognise it as such. I really enjoy your channels please keep it up. Greetings from Newcastle, Australia.
The Three Amigo's, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins & Stephen Fry, Three of the best speakers on the planet.
Good to see a young American appreciating the words of Stephen Fry (and his late colleague Christopher Hitchens). Both know more about religion than people who claim to be religious. Their superb intellect and oratory enables them to run rings round the opposition - as well as being very entertaining!
If you haven’t already seen it, watch the Film Wilde, biopic about Oscar Wilde played excellently by Fry. So perfectly cast!
Someone said to me not even an hour ago "if there is something after life then it's gotta be pretty good because no one ever comes back"
Love that!
I’m so happy you are reacting to this particular debate. His arguments are always articulate and on point, especially when it comes to religious farce.
I agree with everything Stephen says. He’s a brilliant speaker. I could listen to him all day, and you Joel are a fantastic young man. I love your views and agree with you too. Religion controls people. I believe if there was no religion at all there would be a more peaceful world. If only!
Religion is indeed the problem. Stephen is very careful to differentiate religion from spirituality. He is not contrary to the belief in [insert belief here], only in it's use as a method of control, and he is absolutely right. There is much wisdom to be gleaned from the reading and contextualisation of the many ancient religious texts. There is also a great deal of bias and rubbish. One must view these things for what they are. They are a snapshot of what somebody considered "morality" at a particular point in time. The good ideas need to be filtered out and applied in the context of modern society. Only then does the wisdom of the past become decoupled from the ignorance of the past. Otherwise they are just bundles of stories that are as much to our detriment as our benefit.
people say us Agnostics and Atheists have nothing to live for or no purpose as we are not guided by a higher power - i feel like its the opposite, i dont know what happens when we die (im agnostic) so i dont worry about spending every moment chasing my place in heaven, i live my life and do good things through my own morals
I love your view. We should always be open to positive change
Excellent episode
I love his quite " You're offended? Well so f***ing what! "
That's not always the best response as one day you come across the person who when they are offended respond in a violent manner.
@@RushfanUK blah blah blah?
Love, love, love Stephen Fry. I'd love to see your reaction to "Stephen Fry on God: The Meaning of Live (RTE One)". Interesting how you feel the need to preface the video reaction with so much tip-toeing around other people's sensibilities. It wouldn't even occur to me to do that in the UK, so I'm guessing this is a US thing where religion is so much more all-pervading?
OMG. So well spoken.
I was brought up in the Catholic Church. I could see the strangeness of it's teachings at a young age, but it's hard to challenge when parents, relatives and school officials are all pushing the same line. It's effect on young people and the controlling nature of it's dogma are appalling. All he says is completely true, although I would add that the majority of us deluded Catholics are nice people.
I thoroughly enjoy your channel J, keep up the good work!
Feeling guilty? It is the primary teaching, to feel guilty about everything.
At an early age I was taught: "Never kneel in front of a Priest with your eyes closed and your mouth open".
Stephen Fry on religion| The meaning of life| RTÈ one
A video worth watching.
It always amazes me that so many people seem to have this "hole" in their natural life, which can only be filled with the supernatural...
Great man , and a great mind .
You mention Boston, I recommend the film Spotlight to all out there, a light on the church in itself but more so a great film.
Having served in the Armed Forces, I have seen and experienced what Stephen Fry had said, especially in the middle east. He states my understanding , as with his, more eloquently than I could have and held his ground with losing his temper over the more insidious events of religion, I would have pop my cork as you Americans say.
Agree with everything he said, and with the comments made so far, I was born with deformed feet and wore special boots with iron bars on them for the first 15, years of my life obviously I was bullied at school and couldn't plays sports incase I injured someone, where we're the so called God loving religious people then when I needed comfort.
Thanks bro! Stephen is absolute amazing! In the first clip he was with Richard Dawkins, amazing too. And Hitsch also (RIP). Have you seen movie called "Spotlight"? It is about the newspaper journalists which discovers the thing you mentioned you learned at school. Great Movie! Best Regards From Finland! Ps. F FIFA and F Qatar.
It's as Christopher Hitchens said about religion, you can have your toys, you can do what you want with them...But you don't get to make the rest of us play with your toys.
Thanks for this. Fry has brought so much laughter and happiness through his acting we sometimes forget the devastating truths of which he is capable.
I hope you saw the end of the debate on the motion that the Catholic church was a force for good in the world. There was a vote taken as people were arriving and about a third of them agreed with the motion or declared they were undecided.
A second vote, taken at the end, destroyed the motion. Of the 2,000 present, there was barely a handful who voted in favour, and the undecided vote had shrunk to a level which a professional statistician would call "a small aberration which can be discounted".
Fry turned out to be a greater force for good than all the legions of the Catholic church.
It's heartening to know that church attendances in the USA are falling daily. There is something disgusting and obscene about these deranged, ignorant millionaires, hectoring the poor and ill-educated people who fill their megachurches and arguing that god really wants him to have a second private jet "to spread the good news".
The news is beginning to dawn, slowly, that it's bad news. They are being ripped off by these ranting, lying, blustering, fraudulent, tax-dodging clowns.
More power to your elbow!
If you enjoy listening to Stephen Fry I recommend getting the audiobook of Mythos... highly entertaining take on greek mythology
I started reading that because I love greek mythology. I'm going to read it again soon! fantastic stuff.. I be the audiobook is even better.
@@pauldenby878 yeah, Stephen Fry’s voice just adds to it massively
I enjoyed all three books: Mythos, Heroes and Troy and I'm looking forward to the fourth book The Odyssey.
Very interesting video and reaction ;-)
Stephen Fry is one of my favourite people on the planet. I could listen to Stephen and Neil DeGrasse Tyson all day and sometimes do!
I’ve always seen religion as a bedtime story that’s got out of hand.
Oh dear. Not quite sure with such a prejudiced start where you can go if you wanna know about religion.
@@tonyves Who said anyone wants to know about religion?
Should we study The Tooth Fairy just in case?
I learned so much from Stephen. When I started questioning religion I found his debate on the Catholic church, and I was blown away by the disparity between the two sides.
you are on the right track, you should read 'the god delusion'.
“Hey more for us” 😂😂 ma man! 🤣
Stephen Fry is a national treasure. A legend.
Don't get me started on my beliefs about religion, I could go on for hours.
As an allegory, the real danger of complimentary medicine is that it stops people from seeking a treatment that actually works. That's all I have to say.
Jps, I know you probably won't have much time for reading books at the moment - given all your studies - but when you get a chance please take a look at Stephen's books on Greek mythology - Mythos and Heroes. His love for the subject is very clear and the books are an easy read.
Stephen Fry wrote three great books on Greek Mythology (Mythos, Heroes and Troy) and I'm looking forward to the fourth book based on The Odyssey.
Stephen Fry is such an articulate and interesting man, I don’t necessarily agree with absolutely everything he says but I always enjoy listening to him and I respect his point of view.
Suppose if there was a label then I would be classed as an Atheist. I respect that other folk choose differently, I ask for that respect back. Unfortunately many religious people think we all should believe no matter what.
Beautiful reaction
Your views mirror mine pretty nearly exactly. Stephen Fry is very intelligent, and extremely articulate, and he puts his points across very well indeed.
Stephen Fry is also hugely humble, & quick to blush. The sign of a gent, is that he under sells himself.
I could listen to Stephen all day, such a brilliant man. “You’re going to hell” that’s the nicest thing to say , I mean I can’t play a harp anyway. 🤣🤣
I love Stephen Fry thanks Joel for your comments ❤
I'm sorry but is THAT the way Americans pronounce Qatar?
He wasn’t far off. I used to lived in Qatar and the second ‘a’ in Qatar is not pronounced. The correct pronunciation sounds more like cutter not catarrh
@@julianlayton733 I have noticed on the news that they pronounce it more like Catter, it is probably one of those words that we Brits have been saying wrong for years, now we are using the pronunciations of the country it's self
We Aussies are generally not particularly religious, but don't mind what others believe as long as they don't push it on others. Infiltration of evangelical religion into politics has been a feature of our politics over the last decade or so. Thankfully though, we may have turned the corner there ... I hope!
Love this
Genuine reaction too
I sit in waiting for people to push religious views on me
Preloaded with the highest level of logic
Who MADE GOD ¡!¡
Whether you agree or disagree with him, you have to respect the hell out of him. He's the master of words, everything he says has sense and meaning behind it, even if you dont agree with it
Stephen Fry is bang on, as a gay man I tend to stay from the church or political stuff. Even though there are nice people in it. But I won’t belong to any cult which I believe these institutions are.
Stephen Is a very well educated man, i totally agree with his views on religion.
We need more young people like you. No, in general, we need more people like you.
Life is for living. Do it!
Yep, Mr. Fry makes very valid points but in the nicest, scalpel-sharp way.
You are absolutely right: it is not unique or confined to the Catholic religion/church. I spent 8 years in a Salvation Army boys' home (an orphanage) when I was a child (1956 -1964), at Indooroopilly. Brisbane, Queensland, Australia & if anything their rules, beliefs, doctrines & practices - & the enforcement of them on us boys, was far more repressive, restrictive & intolerant than the Catholics. Their daily - & nightly - imposition of discipline, mental & psychological, sexual & physical abuse & punishments had to be experienced to be believed. They are fundamentalist christians, which means that they believe in the literal interpretation of the bible. They believed that dancing, reading comics & playing innocently with girls in the playground at school was a sin & punished us for it, if someone dobbed us in to them for it. If anything, they had an even more hateful view of homosexuality than the Catholics. I first learned the word - & the hateful meaning of - 'poofter', in that boys' home, from the Salvos. In the name of their god, of course. By all means, expose & criticise & demean the Catholics, God knows they deserve it, but they are not the only maggots out there. Dennis Moore - AUSTRALIA.
Excellent actor too
I saw where he did this huge debate against the Catholic Church with Christopher Hitchens. It was a great debate to watch.
The problem is that for things we still don't know, religion doesn't answer those either. They replace the mystery with an even bigger mystery. (e.g. A god) and without any evidence. So the honest things to say when confronted with something currently unexplained is to say "I don't know".
Absolutely agree!!
The thing is we all KNOW that through most of history, NONE of the religious hierarchy actually believed in, or acted by the words in the bible, yet the normal everyday people were supposed to not only risk their lives, but give their lives to uphold those same words!
I agree the bucket list has to stop somewhere.
Jps your cooler then I though, i agree with everything you! said in this video, watch it again afther shaving
Its refreshing to see an American watching and agreeing with an atheist. America is full of religious people and this has now seeped into their politics which is the worse scenario for a so called free country. In this day and age religion is not necessary.
You should read Stephen Fry’s book on Greek Mythology. You will love it.
Hi JPS, enjoyed your reaction. There is a great interview of Fry made quite recently, that you may be interested in. The Diary Of A CEO-Stephen Fry. Hosted by Steven Bartlett.
You sound like a reasonable person and appreciate your attempt to not impose a belief. Absolutely enjoy Stephen Fry he is a linguistic genius with a bitting sense of humor.
Jps just like this video and listen to you right now
Well done thats how I have thought for decades.
ye ive met steven hes really nice guy i ussually opt out of conversation like this but ime interested live and let live is my moto