10 Biggest Car MISSES - TST Podcast
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- There are some cars out there that seemed like a good idea at the time but ended up failing. There are other cars that seem crazy on paper and were even worse in metal, but got built anyway. Today we're talking about 10 of history's automotive moon shots that failed to take hold. From odd propulsion choices to super cars that didn't deliver, overpriced economy badges to hypercars made obsolete by their maker, we cover it all.
10 Times Car Companies SENT it and Missed
16 year-old steals a dozen Camaros to sell at takeovers
Matt gets a physical
And more!
Recorded March 6, 2024
Chapters
00:00 Matt's physical
14:00 Drive to Survive
18:51 Teen steals Camaros and sells them
26:31 Moonshot misses
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For a 6’3” guy who runs a bunch of successful business and is in his later 30’s to lose over 30lbs in a year is outstanding. Nice job Matt!!
He's over 40, I think
Amazing that Matt is -32 pounds and not floating up into the ceiling. Must have a seatbelt on that chair
🤣😂
That melting things behind the Chrysler turbine is a myth... I've stood behind one running, it's no worse than a normal car, except it's a constant breeze instead of pulses
And Jay Leno has actually talked about how it WON’T melt things and that it’s a false myth, but in the video they’re saying he said the opposite lol
@@user-qy2jk1xs2f the biggest problem was startup and shutdowns. A low battery can kill the turbine during startup for example
Happy to hear about the good health Matt!
Keep it up Matt! It's the discipline of keeping at it that is the hardest.
I watch this podcast to stay up to date on tesla news
Tesla hate* 😂
Missed a few big ones here:
-Porsche 996 (questionable styling and major engine problems)
- Ford 6.0 diesel
- Comeback of the Jeep Renegade
- The new Chevy Blazer (this could have been so good but huge flop)
- Ferrari Mondial vs the SF90
The waste of the Blazer nameplate on a Camaro-fied crossover instead of a Bronco-esque Wrangler competitor is imho GM's biggest travesty since the time & money they wasted on the SSR.
(That's the #1 on my list btw - they couldashoulda just imported a Holden ute, slapped an El Camino badge on it, and spent the SSR development money on our missing 2003 5th gen Camaro/Firebird.
Then maybe we could still buy Pontiacs today.)
For the Shelby GT500 point, 2011 and 2012 were the same car. 2013 and 14 were the cars that had the higher power/speed. Generations of the GT500 are 07-09, 10, 11-12, and 13-14. the 13/14 cars although maybe a worse experience it is the most desirable and maintains the highest price.
10 is the oddball one to avoid. New body and interior, iron block, goofy ECU for tuning. 13-14 kind of wrung out from factory. 11-12 is the sweet spot, 07-09 are steals as tons of people bought them and parked them.
12 with Recaros is the best best :)
@@joeracer302 I agree that the 11-12 cars are generally the best. Idk if glass roof was an option for that year but recaros with that would be the perfect spec.
@@acx2035It was, ordered mine new with a glass roof + recaros with stripe delete... I still have it:) its a 2012
Thank you for saying something, long time listener, never commenter and I came here just to comment on the 11-12 car vs the 13-14 car. That said I have always wanted a 13 Boss 302, but based on Matt's comments maybe I would look at an 11 or 12 Shelby. Truly loved this generations body style.
A big "shoot the moon and miss" to me would be the whole Edsel and / or Tucker story. For an individual car the new Lincoln Continental was initially full of big promises that fell way short in the name of bean counters
My cardio.. Just shoveled 2 feet of snow from my cabins driveway.
XJ220 won Le Mans
Woulda have thought the Gen2 hybrid NSX would have been on someone’s list. Actually thought that was going to be the one that would be on both lists.
Question for Matt: Have you read the Road & Track article by Kate Wagner that was removed shortly after it was posted?
Elaborate?
The decaf split coffee trick is so good. I keep bags of beans frozen separately so I can just have a decaf if I want the taste/ritual, or split 50:50 if I'm going to work out that day.
Great job Matt happy to hear you got a clean bill of health. I need these podcasts as long as I can have them. ❤
Matt you are the man and we love your dedication and discipline in your health. The cherry on top is being open and talking about it bc not everyone can do that and it inspires others
5:30, hell yeah Matt nice work
Jag XJ220 was also supposed to be 4WD and was not. Most beautiful car ever.
I got to sit in one. Will never forget that!
The car nerd in me wishes it had the V12, but as a kid it was the most beautiful car I had eve seen, I don’t even care if it is a hot mess and impossible to maintain, in my book it’s always going to be one of the coolest cars ever made
Matt, I'm similar age as you and have had a similar struggle with my weight since my early 20s. I know how hard it is, and any success is worth mentioning
CYBER MATT
Love these themed episodes
Great banter today and congrats Matt on the weight loss!
For the "$15k highway commuter" question, I feel like this is my bread and butter as I'm always looking for cars around that price point. Not because I can't afford something more expensive (sick brag), but because I just don't want to spend a ton on a car I wouldn't drive more than 3-4k miles per year. LS400 (facelifted with the 5-speed auto) or an LS430 would be a great choice for someone who drives as much as me. If you are putting serious miles on a car, I agree that an ES350 or a VW Golf with some features would do the job very well.
This podcast would be soo much more enjoyable if the hosts showed the computer images they are looking at to the audience
Note on the Chrysler question: In 2009 Chrysler was bought by Fiat. In Europe, the 300c was rebadged and sold as a Lancia Thema during 2011-2014, then discontinued. Same thing with the pacifica/voyager. Sold as a Lancia Voyager for a few years
VW Phaeton was limited to 155mph ( at least in Europe ) and W12 version without the limiter was allegedly capable of 186mph.
To be fair the Z06 heat soak issues were limited to the 2015-2016. But I agree I never was for the S/C on the 7th Gen. Z06. If only the Grand Sport models had 500-550 NA HP.
Just swap the heads and cam on the Grand Sport, gonna be a real ripper then 👍
There’s no harm done by putting low octane gas in a car that is cruising on the highway and/or has a knock sensor like the Lexus LS.
Not necessarily. It's still going to trigger a knock event under load. Certain vehicles not an issue, high compression engines like 3.6L Pentastars or 5.0L coyotes pull 8+ degrees of timing. The latter had an issue with burned pistons/cracked ring lands as well.
Surprised to not see the DeLorean on one of your lists.
Guys, you totally got the Chrysler Turbine car wrong. It is a myth that the exhaust would melt pavement. The turbine engine was developed with heat exchangers. The exhaust was actually not as hot as a ICE vehicle. Chrysler built 47 cars and rotated them through a lottery system to the public in a 3 month period over 3 years to determine the viability of a Turbine car. It was also an awesome marketing campaign. The reason Chrysler did not go through with putting the Chrysler Turbine into production is because it was very expensive. The Turbine (unlike a gas powered vehicle) had very close tolerances which made it impossible to mass produce the engine. It also had to use very exotic materials that could withstand the heat generated by a turbine. Last, turbines are efficient at a constant speed but get terrible fuel economy otherwise. That is why a turbine makes more sense for aircraft. There is an excellent book written by Steve Lehto that goes into great detail about the Chrysler Turbine. I would highly recommend it. Cheers!!!
The XJ220 was an impressive car, well the top speed. Jaguar or maybe Ford switching to the V-6 Turbo over the V-12 in 1993-94 to save some weight obviously wasn't the right decision!
Dealer i worked at had one of those Maserati Lebarons. Shockingly low miles and we sold it for 20k.
Seats were really comfortable and had really high quality leather.
Great show. You nailed it on most of these. Agree in the SF90. Not the only modern Ferrari that depreciates (far from it), but definitely the worst one (and unloved by many former owners). Just buy a Pista instead…
The Phaeton is my favourite car from that time in that class. The materials are better than the s-class and the mashine delivers power better than a 7series.
Also, everyone thinks you drive a passat(that is often better), while you feel like driving a bentley. And that mechanical click when you put in the key...
Blizzaks get SO LOUD when they wear down. I would recommend Vredenstein Wintracs personally. They are rated to a higher speed (can tolerate more heat) and are quieter than blizzaks.
My pick…80’s Aston Martin Lagonda
It seems that the Ford Edsel missed the mark set by Ford's marketing department. Established as a brand to revolutionize driving, it delivered a toilet seat grill and nothing else.
Nice GS bamboo Matt has I just got that one as well
You look so much slimmer. It’s nuts. Keep it up
Matt looking good
I'd add the pagani Haurya.
1. New NSX
2. Prev gen new vantage
3. LFA
4. CT6 V Blackwing
5. SLR benz
(no particular order)
LFA wasn't suppose to be a sales hitter. It was just a statement to what Lexus could build
@@vvevvevvvv Redid the whole car bc they wanted carbon fiber but couldn’t even put in a dct. Even as marketing exercise the LFA failed. On the other hand, despite the veyron being a money pit, it achieved its technological mission and more so with marketing Bugatti and VW group as a whole. In comparison, the LFA was just a passion project and at best a means to shatter champagne glasses.
@@nam.justin DCT wasn't used due to it's weight. LFA now are also not cheap cars.
@@vvevvevvvv I like the LFA for what it is. Still a phenomenal car don’t get me wrong. Hearing it in person is still a core memory but overhyped imo. Lightness is hard to market because it requires driving the car and it definitely didn’t justify its relatively astronomic msrp.
18 stone and your cardio is far better than mine 🙈 started my attempt at fitness (always relied on metabolism) at 91kg (200lb) took a year and three months to get down to 75kg (165lbs) and now because I still enjoy a weekend beverage and going for meals at the weekend I’m probably fluctuate between 75/80kg in any given couple of months. I’m 6”1 and my heart rate doing cardio at 15 mins on elliptical had an average of 141 and high of 166. A 5k run (did couch to 5k app as I hate running) has my average heart rate at 165 with a high of 180 that’s with a walk in there of a minute or two. Keep it up Matt! It’s hard staying on top of it isn’t it. Took me months to get past the I hate being here stage of going the gym. Now I feel bad if I miss a couple of days but it’s so easy to fall back into “I’ll do something tomorrow”
Didn’t the VW Phaeton precede the Bentley?
Re: Lexus 400\430 fuel economy
Real world numbers are better than the 23 EPA number. The early 400's with the 4 speed can be pretty shitty, but later cars with 5\6 speed and good tires can get as much as 27-28mpg on the highway. And that's not hypermiling, that's 70 or 75mph with air con. If you start running 80 or 90mph, that'll slip to 23-25.
Typical suburban highway mix is going to be closer to 23mpg once you do a few city miles ontop along with some cold starts. Pure urban with short trips and lots of cold starting is like 15.
42:20, I like the porthole things these things had. Otherwise not a fan.
Citroën SM!
Cadillac XLR, XLR-V
Didn't Freddy from Top Gear crash one of the Jags as well?
C4 ZR1 Corvette would have been a good one too… I think?
ZR1 kept the Corvette relevant during the age of Japanese Sportscar dominance.
these are really good calls. can you work in something like best car investments of recent years. or best hypercars. best 300kph cars. best 1m cars. keep them coming.
I couldn't care less about 99.9% of the vehicles Matt and Zach talk about... I come to listen to Matt call out all of Elongated Muskrats various scams.
Where’s Delorean?
36:00. I completely disagree with the GT500 comment and there is mis-information in this segment also. 2010-2012 GT500 is the 5.4L with 550 hp. 2013-14 is trinity 5.8L which is also an aluminum block and not iron as mentioned. It’s a bored 5.4 block.
This car put up a huge middle finger to Chevrolet beating the Camaro ZL1 by over 100hp and beating the “exotic killer” c6 ZR1’s 638hp. I also believe it was a stepping stone for the hellcat to go over 700hp in 2015. Without this car I think it would have had less power. It’s the last project Carroll personally oversaw before he died. This car was an Instant classic when brand new.
I drove one of these in 2013 and it was an absolute animal. It would hold second gear no problem with factory tires. Admittedly I have never driven a 10-12 GT500 or either in a dynamic handling matter to speak toward the gearing differences. I assume they made them taller also to hold the power in low gears without just spinning. I’m a corvette guy and definitely love the Z51 over the standard car due to the shorter gearing being way better to drive around. I’ll give you that. The complaints about the brakes are an eye roll. It’s a muscle car not a track car like the GT350. I can’t imagine handling being much different than 10-12 being aluminum block engine also if your right foot isn’t made of lead.
13/14’ GT500 is an all time great. Period.
It is good to redeem yourself with cheat food after a long period of time keeping the diet going. After losing 97 pounds (44kg) i learned this, makes the process joyfull and sometimes you gets motivated to reach new weight goals just to redeem yourself with your main guilty pleasure food or just a new experience. Congrats on losing 32 pounds Matt!
Chapters!
00:00 Matt's physical
14:00 Drive to Survive
18:51 Teen steals Camaros and sells them
26:31 Moonshot misses
Matt should drink way more caffeine skip breakfast and do fasted cardio.
thats weird. matts rhr is 48, but he takes pills for high blood pressure? shouldnt his anxiety atleast keep his hr in the normal if not above normal range? 48 is athlete level. and after the calming down his systolic is still above 130? thats high, even with pills. im sure im missing something here. also im not a med professional, so ignore all the above.
Take Overs suck cuz its not about the car anymore. Street Racing was wayyy better.
As much as I hate takeovers the videos of people attending sustaining life changing injuries never get old.
@@homeaudiobasics lol shit's hilarious no doubt
Street Racing didnt go anywhere.
@@BKetch I don't know if you've noticed but there's Tesla's everywhere now. You smoking those things? I don't think you are.
@@SleeperHonda I've never seen a Tesla at a real street race. I'm not talking traffic light to traffic light racing. Tesla's arent the fastest cars on the road.
The top 10 lists work great for short content, but they are real snoozers when presented like this.
Disagree
Even though I am still a combustion engine lover, I think it is unfair (and borderline with malicious intent) to call the Cyber Truck a "Car Miss" this early. A Tesla miss for delivering a car that's nowhere near the car they promised, several years late and at nowhere near the price? Yes. The car ITSELF (as Camissa even tried to explain to you, during your apology video) is too little time on the market to be considered a "car miss", a failure, or anything else. And even though, I am still not convinced of the effectiveness of a full electrified commuting (at least the infra is at a good level outside of Stockholm), I feel that you find every opportunity to shit on the Cyber Truck for failures or events that all car companies in the world had. Matt, you start sounding like those old people (in American movies, as I've never seen one in person) yelling to young people...
Jaded, that's the word I was looking for :D
Just need YT to stop blocking the show. I watch every episode and still need to search smoking tire podcast to watch it. Do better YT
It's so much fun to listen to Matt's health information. Maybe there is a retirement home podcast that I can listen to so that people can talk about the Doctor's visits.
You must be fun at parties
C7z miss? Crazy. They fixed all of that two years later... And yes, it was an issue, largely in the automatics, but they sold like hot cakes, still resell high numbers, and only like 5% are ever tracked anyway. Does not belong
It’d be nice if you guys made a deck of at least one photo/or site to show the cars on the list
Skip staring at nothing while Zack is frantically searching, or be able to get a sense of what’s being talked about.
Obviously harder with a guest, but small improvement to the listicle section