Self Taught: art for all podcast: 43
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- This week John and Danny talk about the discomfort that comes with growth and why it's so important to give yourself permission to risk and fail.
From Season 3 of "art for all," the Sketchbook Skool podcast. Join artists/authors, Danny Gregory and John Muir Laws in rich discussions about the creative process.
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4:23 Covid
5:04 Married to an epidemiologist
7:10 Earth Abides
23:01 Jack education
31:30 Betty Edwards
34:20 Growth mindset
40:30 Discomfort
44:29 Permission to risk and fail
51:37 How to critique to learn
1:01:19 Being your own coach
You two are wonderful. Thank you.
Thank you too!
The growth mind set keeps me sketching and watercolor painting. I no longer want my art to be perfect. That is a fixed mind set to where I said if it's not really good I shouldn't do it. Everything I do now I learn from it and it keeps me painting and sketching. Very insightful podcast...thank you.
I think the boys have found their niche! My enjoyment in listening to these conversations is heightened by the sense that Jack and Danny are truly enjoying themselves.
I am a JML groupie. It is wonderful to spend this time with both of you. Like many artist pretenders I didn’t make it in the art world but always felt I was an artist in my soul. Now that my life is in closure I am reveling in learning. JML has given me a new eyes and motivation for my art practice.
Thankyou to all those people at front lines where ever they are. I enjoy all these pod casts thank you.
I got so much out of this conversation! I’m a “yet” kind of person. I have longevity in my family paired with dementia. Because of my research to care for my elders before they passed, I learned a lot about how learning is a big pre-treatment. Thanks for sharing this!
What a great episode and topic. The growth mindset is SO important in all aspects of our lives. Thank you both!!!
One of my most favorite colleagues and professors said of lesson plans, "You need something to deviate from." This is the best observation ever! Make plans and be ready and not to precious about them. This is life, I think. Make plans so you have something to deviate from. For me, life is more intentional this way. Thank you both!
Oh, so I should get my Betty Edwards book, along with a couple of others, off the shelf and use it! Lol. I've collected a number of drawing and painting books but haven't actually used them. Pretty sure if I started using them I could become better a bit more quickly.
Thank you both for giving so much to the world. How important these videos have been, they have helped me so much to get inspired and motivated to keep drawing through this pandemic. I have tried new ideas, media, and even join the Skool recently! JML, your wife is a hero. I thank God for her and all the other warriors out there who go battle this virus on a daily basid. Many blessings to Danny, you, and both of your families. ❤🙏🏻❤🙏🏻❤
I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion ! Wow ! So much to ponder on and really think hard on what you guys have discussed ! Thank you so much for letting us be part of this ! I look forward to next Monday to replenish my brain once again ! Warmest regards to you both Danny & John. Sincere gratitude Lorraine 🤗🎨👏😁
Unfortunately I'm wary of asking for feedback due to teachers with fixed mindsets. To stick with a skill it really helps to believe that you have the potential to improve at it, and some teachers can leave you doubting that. I felt like I had to be perfect already otherwise I might as well not even try. I’m glad I didn’t listen to them because I would have missed out on lots of things if I had. My art has definitely improved since I first started and I get a lot of enjoyment from working on my skills. I usually prefer to teach myself now.
You two are my favorite artists and to see and hear both of your ideas and thoughts together in one spot is fabulous. Thank you both for doing this.
I'm mostly self taught as well and have had a hard time with technical drawing classes or books because I don't draw that way, I've always used negative space to draw and have not seen anyone teach to draw with negative space, which I imagine would be difficult. I've tried to draw like a lot of the drawing instructions tell you to draw with shapes, which makes sense, but it just doesn't work very well for me. Drawing using negative space works for me the best. Interesting discussion about the brain.
The art of bonsai requires that the artist recognize the needs of a tree from its horticultural requirements and design elements of style. It has taken along time to understand that the constant is the growth of the tree and that the techniques of branch removal, trimming and wiring will bring the tree to the design that captures its beauty. We’re it not for instruction, observation and discussion with others - my passion for this art form would surely have fallen by the wayside. Your discussion today is on point with my interests - pushing forward thru discomforts including the fixed mind set of others is critical to moving forward. Thank you.
Fabulous episode! I cried, I laughed, I got inspired and I fired Diamond Lil as my coach. (Traumatizing gym teacher telling me I had to learn to see the ball despite my eye deformity). You guys are the best!
I'm a big fan of both of you, John and Danny. It's a great surprise to see you working together!
Gosh, this brought me a lump to the throat to see JML gets emotional when he spoke of his wife who's on the "front line". It saddens me so hearing that health staff are frequently threatened or have abuse hurled at them by certain members of society (at least in Italy they are). So, my deepest heartfelt gratitude and admiration go to all of those people in healthcare, in vaccination hubs, labs, distribution centres and so on. Thank you all.🙏
Thank you both, I really enjoyed this discussion and am learning to be kinder to myself, which is freeing me up and I am actually producing - nature journalling is the best! xxxx
The best instruction I ever got on drawing was from my drawing teacher at SVA back in ‘69… to be able to loosen up and feel what you are drawing, try drawing with your ‘other’ hand, which was my left hand, for me. Best advice I ever got. And probably the only advice I ever got during my stint at that school.
Later on, many many years later, I started a decorated cookie business and developed a way of decorating that no one else did. It made my business very successful. But the reason I created the style was because I knew nothing about cookie decorating, but it was something I just sort of fell into.
So nice, I watched it twice! I spent a day unintentionally a few weeks ago looking through my sketchbooks. I was fascinated at whhat I used to do. I've hardly drawn at all in six years. I got a full-time job then. Lately, when watching these podcasts, I started feeling that I couldn't really get back into it again like before. But, after looking at the sketchbooks, I realized, "Why the hell not?" I was reminded of how much fun I had and how I got lost in doing them. So, I'm getting a new coach and nixing the bad one. Thank you. I'm fascinated with the brain stuff. ---KateColors
Thank you, Jack for encouraging me to find Sketchbook Skool. Between the Nature Journaling and what I'm learning at Skool, my mind is blown. I've seen sooo much improvement in my art, and I less anxious about trying new styles and new medias. thank you to Gregory, too. What an impact your sharing here on youtube has been.
Over the holidays I fell into a leatherworking-shaped rabbit-hole (this is at least partially Hermes fault for their 'this is how we make a thing' series on YT). This is the second thing I've picked up over Covid Standard Time - the first was learning how to sew my own clothing with a 1915 hand-crank Singer 99K (there's a section of YT that refers to itself as Cos Tube, concentrating on historic, vintage and fantasy clothing - you can scroll through the back catalogue of humans like Bernadette Banner, Cathy Hay, Seamstressed and LizScapism to get a feel for the community).
Back in 1993 my BA was in Psychology - ye old olden days when the brain was deterministic and the DNA chain was still being charted for the first time. Amazing how much our understanding of things has changed.
I knew the basics of sewing before I started, but really had no idea about different fabrics and how to put it all together. Ironically, because of Covid, there was this diverse, international community of people chatting back and forth in the Comment section - answering questions, sharing jokes, and just... learning together. Perfect creative storm. In the middle of a once in a century viral storm...
Leatherwork has been a little harder to learn. I think it's the old bug-a-boo of the older generation of Leatherworkers guarding their craft (ah, the old apprenticeship system leaves it's marks). There's a whole lot of ASMR leather videos, with only a minor smattering of 'how-to's'. But. Thanks to the little Algorithmic Leprechauns, I'm now being Recommended videos from creators from across Eastern Europe, Korea and Japan (thank you automatic translation).
There's been plenty of times over the past two months where I've stood up from my worktable, muttering "I have no Idea what I'm doing..." over and over. Next step is always to try to find the name of the thing I'm trying to make, watching a bunch more videos and then back to the work table I go. Right now my main work is to build the most complex, over-designed tool rolls I can dream up for the vintage leather tools I've picked up on the e-bay. Partially, as a challenge. Partially, to teach myself different techniques. Partially to see if I can actually come close to the design in my head. And, partially, to have as a teaching aid to teach/entice/infect the teenaged God Kids into using their hands.
Great chat, you two. Thanks.
- Cathy (&, accidently, Steve), Ottawa/Bytown/Pimisi
Love that, Cathy!
@@SketchBookSkool Thanks, Man. You do good work. You both do.
@@SketchBookSkool By-the-by - really appreciated your reply to my submission for the sketchbook give-away. It meant allot. Been trying to remember to find the e-mail and tell you that direct to your in-box...
I listened to this on podcast today. I love the growth mindset approach and I find it helps me and it's something that I've often practiced without even knowing it. I used to train new employees at a job and I'd always tell them "Mistakes are great! That means you'll learn from them." I take that approach with myself, too, although I admit, I can have that negative Junior High gym teacher crop up every now and then telling me how worthless I am. I find I'm much more relaxed when it comes to my art, being okay with it not being a masterpiece. It's all just practice. Every single piece is simply a practice piece that I learn from and apply to my next piece.
Now, I have to make a guilty confession. I have your book "Law's Guide to Nature Drawing and Journaling" and I've yet to read or apply it. I really strive on being self-taught, but that doesn't mean I stick my nose up at learning from others. It's just "easier". I'm especially bad at learning from textbooks. Sigh.
"Fail up!" -- Deanna Marsigliese, art director at Pixar
What a fascinating discussion . Thank you so much. I have already read Dweck’s book but really interesting to apply it to drawing. I also have the failing of buying lots of books and materials but find it incredibly difficult to actually use them!!
This is crazy inspiring! Thank you!
Be brave enough to suck at something new 😄
Fire and Rain
Thanks for the encouragement for us self-taught types. I’ve heard a lot lately about the growth mindset and think my inter “coach” is not holding me back (on the contrary I’m in that spot where I love learning new techniques and the practice is enjoyable), so that’s reassuring.
I’m in my 30s and rediscovered Art maybe 4 years ago after drawing in my teens. I’m struggling with what I want to DO with my art since it’s just a hobby and I feel the time I put into my day job is unsatisfying at best, and a complete waste of my precious time on the earth at worst. I’d love to hear your thoughts on setting goals for your artistic journey, how to do it, whether a goal is really needed if you just stay a hobbyist? Are some goals better than others or are they all valid? Are some a pipe dream and/or a waste of time?
If you are doing artwork for a certain customer, such as an advertiser, then you might need a coach to learn a technique that the customer wants… as Serena Williams needs to do to win a match. But if she is playing for herself, she doesn’t need a coach. Art is only in this category if you are trying to please a customer or if you are particularly interested in a technique.
I much prefer your podcasts re making art.
Don’t be your own bully………(not my original quote)
You lost me at the 10th minute of covid vaccines talk. It’s supposed to be an art podcast
Thanks for the attack, ArtAttack. It's supposed be what ever we want it to be.