Hook said he wants to play fightings that have “guap” but hasn’t won anything the past year 😂. He’s become a content creator just like everybody else in this pandemic.
@@NinthSettler its niche and his only real good strategy so it best stay I am just happy Capcom is listening, I damn near dropped this game after only buying it in December but the v shift change got me giddy
@@doogies This is precisely the issue that’s making me think about coming back to Granblue. Took a couple of months off, and they’ve done 3-4 patches since, so I’m gonna have to relearn several things, on top of new DLC character matchups. Stability’s nice, even if it means putting up with some janky nonsense sometimes.
Fightcade 2 is a godsend for oldies, 3rd Strike is so smooth to play there in comparison to 30th Anniversary Collection and there's a plethora of other great titles to choose from. Shame that JP devs can't be bothered providing a good official port most of the time, it makes all those classics harder for newcomers to play and appreciate until someone points them to other sources.
Skullgirls isn't an old-head game, but damn it feels like one considering how underappreciated it is. Good online, great community, launch party never ends
THANK YOU! for mentioning the gatekeeping of the season pass system. The amount of DLC is super daunting, and I find it to be that way as someone who's been playing for a decade. A great example is tekken, where you need so much intimate knowledge. It's a serious problem not being able to even do punishment training in that game without owning the character.
For this reason I think dlc characters should be free to use in training mode. You don't have to purchase them to learn how to beat them and it's a good way to try them out before commiting to a purchase. So simple yet never implemented.
I actually grew up with Third Strike. Only 21 but I had the PS2 20th anniversary version alongside SF 2. Tekken was the other old franchise I grew up with, starting with 2. Which, even that one I think holds up a bit. 1 does not though, man. It's rough.
9 years ago, when I was like 14, I discovered a review of GGXX, the game looked crazy but the thing they prop the most in the review was the soundtrack, they say that even if you don't like the game you should listen to the soundtrack, So I did, the first song I came across was "feel a fear" and I was very impressed. I thought was the coolest stuff because at that time I was hard into metal. So I downloaded the game (yeah piracy was the only way, sorry) and it was amazing, i though it was the coolest shit ever, and that game basically ignited my interest for the FGC. Fast forward to 2021 and it feels like a dream come true that I can play +R online, I'm still not good at all but I love that game, and i think that what i want the most in a fighting game is cool aesthetics, I'm really bad at FGs so i can't appreciate the mechanics, so i care a lot more about those other elements and i feel that the older titles are way more creative and cool.
I feel you. I bought an original xbox back then with xbox live with the hopes of playing online. We all know about how those mid evil times were for fighting games online.
I started playing fighting games right before the pandemic. First game I picked up was street fighter 2 turbo, because some anime convention I was at had a cab, and I played against a real sweaty balrog player. He beat the shit out of me then taught me how to throw a fireball/dragon punch and told me when/where they meet. The coolest thing about playing old games is everyone who's playing really likes the games and are super welcoming to new players
Rival Schools still got a community, that's how you know this shit is still real. Even manifested Akira Kazama back into existence in SFV... what a timeline we're living in!
As someone who first got into fighting games around the mid 2010's, I've always had a fascination for older fighting games, especially ones released in arcades during the 90's. The hardest part for me personally has always been the less generous buffer windows and the tighter links or cancels (especially for stuff like older KOF), but there's still so much to enjoy even just from spectating or reading about them.
Just think about it this way; if you practice how to be good at an old fighting game with tight windows, imagine how much better you'll be when you go back to the more lenient games. You'll be bustin' asses!
Are you hooked up on the brazilian kof scene? These dudes all learned how to stream last year thanks to covid, and now they managed to have sponsored players and big prize pools for 98 and 2002 that they never had before. There was even a tournament where Xiao Hai was hanging out in chat, it was crazy.
@@doogies You should check out Ninja98 and TGR_Brunokof as a start. Then Clã Ura, Lauyagami and lendários are a bit smaller, but host a lot of high level players and create exposure for them. You should also check Kof da depressão, his content is more casual than the others, but he's sort of a gateway to kof for a lot of people.
I think the problem with the current cycle is that people expect something out of complaining because everyone is complaining about x then expect a patch. With older games, the bullshit stays and people learn to live and even love the bullshit that's within the game.
You do realize the game that he's playing went through a similar cycle. This is the fifth iteration of GGXX, you have the original, GGXX #Reload, GGXX Slash, GGXX AC, and GGXX AC+R. Of course it takes a little longer than an instant patch but this cycle has existed in fighting games since SF2 came out with Turbo and a million other balance and gameplay updates.
@@ninjannihilator I think their point is more the expectation of a direct line of communication with the devs for specific changes. GG or SF2 had lots of iterations, but I don't think any player felt like they could rabble rouse enough to make Sol lose his dust loop or whatever. There's positives with what we have today, but I think folks could just learn to live with shit more often instead of getting overheated and grabbing the pitchforks. Before it was just like "Oh shit, I guess that's how they want it to play. This tactic is kind of degenerate; what can we do? Should it be banned? Etc."
Started playing accent core +r and its amazing. The characters are soo cool and it feels like there's so much dumb shit that wouldnt be put in modern fighting games but thats whats so fun. Every character is so unique and once you get used to moving it feels awesome
These games getting a "second wind" reminds me the the Blazblue CF community recently started their own rollback project. Hot off the recent Ac+r patch, the guys who made the Centralfiction Improvement Mod announced they're going to (attempt to) retrofit GGPO into it.
Do you know who is in charge of modding the GGPO netcode into the game? The reason I ask is so I can get in contact with them in order to see what the BB community can do to help the project come to fruition, even if that means paying the modders to do so through a fundraiser. BBCF is currently my favorite fighting game of all time, and I feel like this series has been among the few that has been excluded in the rollback craze, with other series like KOF, GG, SS, MK, and SF having it, and it's about time the BB community had an actual playable environment to play in, so that we can enjoy the game to it's fullest.
@@lapis3965 I have no clue who is "in charge" but you can join google the BBCF improvement mod and join their discord, you can find all the info from there and ask questions.
Totally agree. Literally hollered up a friend recently an said "Hey u wanna play Alpha 2 and 3, I've never actually played those games besides mashing when I was a kid" Hopped on Fightcade, launched Alpha 3, laughed our asses off and had a great time. Not only that but we also got invested in that game because these games have their systems and stuff that you gotta learn from scratch... kind of, since it pretty much was new to me. It feels refreshing like you said, and I'll probably go back to that game during these next weeks. Great video!
A few things I've come to really appreciate in modern titles after playing a lot of +R : Input buffer and Input shortcuts .You can have too much of it, but atleast a little of it is really nice. Training mode options. The options you see in modern games for training mode, where you can set so many things for the dummy to automatically do is SO good. You forget that when you don't have it. Edit : Well shit, 3 days after this, +R gets updated with better input leniency on half circles and some of the most advanced training mode options ( + take control in replays ) features ever. God is similing upon us, praise Daisuke ( and the +R team )
Gotta admit, I'm really enjoying getting back into some old fighting games. Your inputs have to be CLEAN and they are absolutely brutal. The communities are super helpful and welcoming. My recommendations: Vampire Savior (that good shit that no one knows about), Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, SF Alpha 2 and 3, and Third Strike.
Last Blade 2 man I’ve always wanted to learn it proper with people just never got around to it It looks beautiful and plays great from just messing around in it
I'm 28 and FightCade is tight, playing mates in random games with good netcode is some of the most fun i've had in years. Looking foward to Strive since I got IRL friends to play the beta and they seemed to like it. Hope they stay interested.
Third strike took me ages to even try, it always looked so damn hard. But when i found out about Fightcade i had to give it a shot and it was a blast ! You do not have to be a parry god for that game to still be fun and the community was great, super helpful and kind : ) Tibazz
Tbh that feeling of losing everything that you've learned in a FG is the reason why I stopped playing Battle For The Grid. Game was hella fun and busted but because of a recent change all my combo routes were gone, and that made my motivation to keep up go away. Recently I started playing +R and even if there's a lot to learn, it just feels nice knowing that everything that I learn will always stay. Honestly is one of the good things about games that have stopped development in general, because the same thing applies for KI. Maybe not as old, but still.
Can’t agree more! I picked up SFV and 3S at the same time when I first started playing fighting games. It was really eye opening to see skills learned in both games carrying over into the other. Also, the 3S community has been very inviting since the beginning. Never forget, UNMUTE OBAMA!
Every once in awhile, I'll hop back onto MvC2 to mess about with combos and whatnot and its always fun. But props to some of the older players like rom who still upload sets, and it's super fun to watch some new players, or sick matches with low tier characters
My friend got me into BB tag around 2019 and I saw characters from arcana and akatsuki and it made try the older games they came from and I have fell in love with the aesthetic and mechanics of the game. Sometimes I just go into the training mode and mess around with the game to just see how cool it was. There’s just a vast amount of games that being in the fgc you’re doing yourself a disservice by not trying.
[scratches head] how is not including twitch chat on the side specifically a good thing? I've always wanted to pick the brains of those who thought this.
I feel like a lot of newer games these days don't really have it together in terms of accessible guides. Ever since forums and wikis died and got replaced by subreddits / Discord / UA-cam / Google Docs, finding info has looped back around to being more time-consuming. It really seems like the era approximately between SF4 and BBCP was a sort of sweet spot for guides being really good and really easy to find.
thats definitely an issue for some games, but even some new games (Tekken 7) you are forced to look elsewhere to find information on how to actually play the game
"Finished" games (no more content or balance updates) are the best tbh. It lends such a powerful feeling of authenticity to progress and improvement. I basically only play "boomer games" at this point.
The grandeur of modern fighting games, the really good ones, is magnified by an appreciation of where they came from and how far they've come. When you've actually lined up to play a Karate Champ machine and seen everything that's been released over the last 37 years it only adds to that hype. Some of y'all youngins wouldn't even know how lucky we are that there are such things as Street Fighter 2 clones and not Martial Champion clones. And yes, learning (like really learning) one of the classics could probably help even the Millest of the Millenials to have a better understanding and appreciation for not only what makes a game great, but where certain mechanics came from and why/how they survived or evolved over the years. Not to mention there usually was a high execution ceiling on many of the classics that would only improve your own execution if you mastered them.
So I was one of those who thought fighting games were trash. That is until 8 years ago my friends changed my mind. They were massive fans of fighting games and wanted to get their hands on as many as possible. That leads to them having at least one game from a series of the majority of franchises out there. Instead of them getting mad at me and calling me an idiot. They showed me three games Street Fighter Alpha Anthologies, Street Fighter Anniversary Collection, and Capcom vs SNK 2. I understand that some of these have issues, but for someone who was brand new to fighting games, it was awesome. I'll always cherish Alpha 3 and CvS2 for getting me into a genre I love. Been going back and playing them and having an absolute blast. And since we also played UMvC3 I have been wanting to get into that as well. Learn all the tech from these games and actually be adequate lol. Learning old games can be super fun.
My local scene has started picking up CHAOS CODE (CHODE for short), and to my surprise I'm actually really enjoying playing it. I've always been kind of adverse to learning new games after pouring hours into one (Xrd), but since covid hit and we can't really compete in our main games, it has been a breath of fresh air picking up something I've heard of but never really had the urge to try. It also gives us our own little version of trying to figure out tech when games first come out like you mentioned. I definitely recommend trying out a new game once in a while, even if it is only for a week, just to remember what it is like to be new to a game and the excitement of finding tech or landing a hard combo for the first time. Shout out to the GRFGC and MIFGC ✊😤
I’ve been having a ton of fun learning KOF 2002 UM. The roster is crazy diverse, the balance is great, and Code Mystics did an awesome job with the net play. I can play people near 300 ping with little visible rollback when my delay is set to 3 frames. Highly recommend it to anyone looking for a new fighting game or interested in learning KOF before XV drops.
The game is quite balanced compared to other games like 3rd Strike. It’s never thinking you lost because of a character, you lost because your skill is not up to par. The game is brutally difficult.
Now that you mention it, the JoJo community was pretty much the first I stumbled into because I didn't really have a game to play yet but I liked the show so I started with that and since it was the first for me I had no point of reference just how much time the people spent on discovering tech and writing guides. The Discord has been a very pleasant experience and I've been in contact with most of the figureheads of it. I even participated in a few online tournaments (though I'm in europe so I had a good 2 second delay) and it was a blast.
melty looks amazing, KOF 13 is the coolest looking game I've ever seen and been playing a ton of +r. from guy who started playing fighting games like 3 months ago
That's basically what me and my now friends that I found through fightcade did in the pandemic. Built a discord server around 3rd strike had tournaments and then eventually started playing and having server tournaments for other old fighting games like alpha, acpr, garou, samsho, last blade. I think someone recently even started playing the sailor moon fighting game. Giving these games rollback is something that has kept me in the fgc because tbh SFV connection and matchmaking is kinda garbage out here in india and it's just fun to play and try out these older games that we didn't get to as kids. We made a yt and twitch around it too just to have try and have these tournaments recorded and streamed incase there are other fans who wanna get in on it.
I got into the last blade series because the main character's birthday is the same as mine and I went down the rabbit hole... a damn good one because LB2 is now my favorite fighting game ever. my favorite fg is literally older than me! LOL
I've been learning and competiting in any Advanced Variable Geo 2 brackets that I happen to come across and it's been some of the most fun I've ever had with a fighting game in a very long time There just something about fighting games where everyone is so overtuned it wraps right back around to being entertaining that always brings me back
Been picking up a lot of older games lately with my homie. KOF13, GG+R, CVS2, KOF2002 and Melty have been games we've stuck with for months simply because they run so much better online compared to modern games (+ discovery of older games has been a lot of fun). Like we love Tekken but we know if we play it we gotta wait on long ass load times, stutters/freezes and drops but if we run an older game we'll get good quality, quick matches.
Yeah like I said, im not on a high horse saying "old games are better than new ones" as much as I am saying the experience is different, and given the current status quo, can feel surprisingly refreshing
I agree with everything you said which is why I'm like play what you wanna play. Don't let the hype of "new game" get you to forget great games that have already come out. If more ppl adopted this mentality, the communities can thrive for a long ass time.
This is something I always want with my friends. No one of them tries older games because of the difficulty(in some cases), mechanics, and "polish" they have in comparison with newer games. For me, this is what makes these games so special, in the last week I spent good hours playing the first Guilty Gear, Art of Fighting 3, and SVC Chaos, all of them are pretty different and enjoyable. I wish they have the patience to experience some of these games, I had so much fun playing Arcade Mode with the old titles man, the victory screens, cutscenes, secrets endings... When I tired from Street Fighter V or Tekken 7, Fightcade has been a good fresh air for me. Last night tried a little of Rival Schools 2 and was awesome.
I'm not really a zoomer (I was born in 1994), but I got into fighting games last year and I have enjoyed a lot of the ones that I played and learned how to play with an arcade stick, which 10 times more fun for me. I wish I started earlier tbh honest, games like CvS2, +R, KI and KoFXIII are some of the most that I want to play and get good at. I played +R for 2 months and I enjoyed every second of it, easily one my all time favorites. Currently I'm playing BBCF and I think I might stick with it for longer, I kinda stopped playing the newer games because of it xD
Way ahead of you bro. Started playing fighting games with Melee & 3S & Alpha 2, and I'm glad I've been playing them long enough to eventually get access to better netcode.
I'd love to get into KOFXIII, that game is just pure eye candy to me. Also, even though it's not really an old game, SFxTekken is another one i'd like to get into
Same. KOF is just so harsh as a series. Like when you have a traditional game that, I think at least, has way higher execution than most air-dashers, it can be pretty daunting. But watching high level play of that game is pretty nuts.
This vid got me into Vampire Savior and the community has been wonderful, the game is super fun, AND its improved my technical execution for newer games
i wish i wasnt so broke back then so i could play P4 fighting games :/ At least i finally could play strive, although probably gonna wait until crossplay between pc and console implemented before i could play against most of my friends
It’s a shame that people think you have to play only newer games. A fun game is a fun game, these older titles don’t get less fun because they’re a few decades old. Once you get into retro it is a great feeling, because the doors open up to a lifetime of fantastic, time-tested games. There’s already so many gems out there waiting for you to appreciate them like they were appreciated in their prime.
While I've been called a boomer due to my love for +R despite being 21 lol. I've got to say HnK is the boomer game I want to play the most that I don't currently play and it's not even close. I have no idea how to even access the game yet alone learn it.
Years ago I was going through the games on Fightcade with a friend. Garou Mark of the Wolves, Samurai Showdown and KoF(i dont remember which one) are easily the hypest old fighting games I've ever messed around with.
My friends and I try every week to have a fight night where we play fighting games, and in the past year we went from SFV and Xrd to 3rd strike on fightcade and +R almost strictly for the net code and more often then not we play those titles. Playing a game like +R is fun because there isn’t really a character that isn’t fucked up especially for mediocre players like ourselves and it overall I think had made me personally improve as a player. Thanks Obama for putting something I’ve felt for a while in a more tangible light
I been learning MVC2 for like a year only low tiers it's been mad fun and I even entered an online low tier tournament. old fighting games are supper fun. I played a lot of old fighting games casual as a kid and it's soo fun and interesting exploring them with my woke 09er brain.
I was at an odd age where I loved SFA2 but was too young to really appreciate it, and by the time I was older it had gone away. Would love to see it make a comeback because it is the pinnacle of old school SF IMO and SFV doesn’t scratch that itch for me.
I look at SSBM a lot and wish I was tight at that game. I’m deterred because of the skills I have to learn to get even decent at the game. I’ve recently been playing Third Strike and have been eyeing up Accent Core. Just having no buffer system kills it for me.
I learned AC and Melee about the same time and in my perspective, even coming from a Smash Bros background, AC was much easier for me to learn and get into. People always say you have to learn a bunch of complex systems, but while in Melee it feels like you need to be fluent in all of them you can pick and choose as a new AC player.
TTT1 was my boomer game of choice here as this particular tekken is the most relevant version here at PH with 2nd being 6, back in the day I just want to be a real sweatlord using Devil/Jin. btw anyone know any other means to emulate TTT1 closest to the arcade, my only option i know of is MAME 1.6 with TTT1.
As a 34 yr old, I still go back to Alpha 2 and Alpha 3 from time to time, and with +R I also saw an opportunity to get into GG again since I had only dabbed a little with GGAC back in the day. Anyway, the Alpha series are my favorite games to play, even to this day with the more complex and dynamic systems in games that we have nowadays. I hit start, the character select songs come out and my blood feels the hype almost instantly!
@@doogies Totally! And the knowledge you get from them stays. Players, especially SF players, who got here after IV and haven't seen what came before, REALLY don't know what they're missing.
Sonic fighters in the arcade back in the day you kids dont even know, i would just look at the cab and someone would infinite dust loop me Rollback? More like you would get rollbacked to the bowling ally the cab was at, where you play a casual game of bowling because you just couldn't step up to us arcade gods
I appreciate the Coming To America reference in the thumbnail and the Animaniacs/Goodfeathers reference in your online user name. Also, thanks for the thoughtful content that you make.
@@akaiyui9300 I've been dabbling with it on the PS3 emulator, and it's possible to play multiplayer via Parsec but... It's Just not optimal. A straight up PC port with rollback would be sooo great
for me it was Capcom vs SNK and KoF 98 or 96??, the abundant of characters, how cool they looked, the music, gameplay (till now it really fun to watch). I was young back then and couldn't do any command moves or ultimate as fast as possible (probably still for certain moves). also getting gate keeping by my elder siblings didn't help :). I lost my interest over time and to all 2d fight in general and replace it with 3d fighting game like tekken and SC. Now I kinda wanna go back and explore it more. Especially after playing GG strive beta and realizing I can get good at it and how fun the experience.
It's insane how Tekken was way up in the charts. It's pretty much a boomer game because of how little it's changed over the years. That netcode update was a godsend, can't believe it took that fucking long for them to do at least something about it.
I picked up +R on a whim during summer sale and its easily in my top 5 or 3 favorite fighting games ever, its frustrating (theres hella bullshit in this game) but losing in any game is frustrating and applying things that I learn is immensly satisfying
As a 21 year old who got vanilla sf4 11 years ago in an Easter basket, learning of the existence of older/legacy games and series in the genre has been the best part of playing these games. Every sale on older titles, I pick them up and have a blast exploring what characters and mechanics the game has. But even more, watching tournament/high level play of older games is so enjoyable, it makes me want to hang out in training mode and deep dive the game for fun. With that said I have had my eye on Sengoku Basara X for a minute. The characters designs and visuals similar to XX and HNK look sick.
On the point of fighting game structures and DLC gatekeeping newer players; this is EXACTLY what happened with me and Granblue Fantasy Versus. I was late to the party and huge amounts of DLC made me not want to touch it - the shitty netcode didn't help either. I'm also pretty new to fighting games beyond casually playing Street Fighter and Tekken back in the day. So now I am just waiting for Guilty Gear Strive and trying to pick up Accent Core and Rev 2 to play around with my friends.
(i think i made a comment on here that i was going to just update, but i couldn't find it) ive watched a lot of marvel because it looks really cool, and only recently started trying to learn a team in 3 while playing with my roommate. i would love to learn 2, but a lot of the information out there for learning it seems to be scattered around from what i can tell, and nobody i know wants to play or learn the game with me. i could hop onto fightcade, since flycast has rollback now, but i don't know if im ready before i learn a bit more
As someone whos been playing SSBM pretty much since childhood, getting into fighting games was pretty cool, but the game that really made me stay was +R. The combo possibilities, execution and movement were all things that drew me to Melee, which really made me grind it for hours. So seeing people support and prop up +R and their other favourite older games makes me really happy.
@@doogies the similarities are actually really striking i think. No input buffer, high execution ceiling, lots of cancel oppurtunities or just generally lots of freedom in combos, well and its just such an agressive game as well.
@@chronology556 I really like the movement in melty blood and kof a lot. Gameplay expression through movement is really cool which is really versatile in those games
vampire savior is pure fun, such an underrated gem. the characters, the music, the gameplay, everything is just so good. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to play old-school fighters
I totally agree. Sometimes it’s just great to pick up those old games. I picked up GG for the first time about 1 1/2 years ago, and it’s now my favorite fighting game series. I always played mk growing up, and my brother SF. One day I randomly came across a Sajam video about MK11. 1 week later he was talking about evo moments from GGxrd. I saw Omito playing Johnny and thought “I need to play this game.” Idk how I didn’t discover this game earlier because I just fell in love with it. Bro and I buy xrd. He likes the way chipp looks, I play Johnny. Started playing Lobbies night after night losing every match until our third day lol, but we still had a blast. That was September 2019. Then GGac+r gets the rollback patch and we buy that. Turns out we loved that game even more than xrd. Fast forward to now and he’s maining Johnny and I’m maining chipp in xx. This game easily jumped to our favorite fighting game, dethroning Mk Trilogy, SF alpha 2 and MvC1/2. Sometimes those old games just ignite something in you. Mk11 didn’t spark that same joy in me like the older titles, but GG for some reason just clicked. It makes me feel like a teenager again. It feels so nostalgic even tho I didn’t start playing in 2019. Now we’re playing GGxxac+r and BBCF almost every other day
Here to drop a big thanks to the guys who have breathed life into competitive Street Fighter Alpha 2. Once I figured out that the highest damaging stuff, the custom combos, weren't too terribly hard to learn and execute, the metagame boiled down to the chess in neutral. Meter management is extra important in that game and knowing that Alpha Counters can kill just makes it so interesting.
Most of the fg's i enjoy are older then i am and personally, you bring a great point about the whole modern fg patch and dlc cycles. I find it hard to stay tuned into a game with consistent or heavy patching with few exceptions. I heavily enjoy it more when i can look and play a game and be like "it is what it is" and not have my future enjoyment and time spent with the game be up in the air because of some wacky 2.0 update or year patch or something. Which is why i will always try to get people to play games of legal drinking age where i am not, a large amount of the moments that make me cherish fighting games is the busted ass stuff that would have gotten patched in a newer title.
The whole reason I don't get into many modern fighting games is absolutely the DLC. It's frustrating to try to get in on the ground floor and then suddenly be completely out of the loop because I don't want to drop extra money on a character I'm simply just not going to play. But that means that I have no opportunity to actually play that character and figure out what they're about so I know what to look for online. I mean I was never good or anything, but it's just disheartening to know that even though I bought a full price game, I no longer have a COMPLETE game because I didn't spend even more money. Meanwhile games from before the DLC era, all the characters are just THERE, you know? I miss those days. Edit: Also, shit I would LOVE to have a CvS2 cab. It's the game that made me realize how much I loved fighting games. My friends and I would play the PS2 version all the time when we were in high school.
3rd strike on FC2 generally has between 150 and 400 players logged on at any point (so like 20-100 matches running at any moment), as well as multiple online tournaments every week
One more thing I want to comment is that for modern fighting games because of patches a lot of things change. Now that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Some stuff really does need to be toned down or made better, but the drawback from that is that a lot of stuff made early on in a game's life is outdated in the later parts of it. Like FighterZ for example. Cell, Goku Black, and Android 16 were without a doubt the best characters in the game. Memes were made about them and any stuff around that time says they are. If a person who was to get into FighterZ now would be very surprised by how wrong it is. And guides made about characters early on are now wrong and the characters are different, plus that's without the system mechanics added in since it's been out. FighterZ used to only have one assist per character. Now it has 3 per character. THAT'S HUGE. Anyway I agree with Obama. Don't gaitkeep yourself from enjoying old fighting games. Try stuff out man.
I'm 26, the last tournament I entered was Marvel 1 when I was in Australia 2 years ago. As long as you have people to play with, I really don't see the point in *not* playing old games that you have access to. Matter of fact, I find it less attractive to learn new fighting games than to learn old games that have a thriving scene unless they have good online. Strive is the only new title that I'm seriously considering investing serious time into because the online is wild.
We need more people in the community that are like you, Majin Obama. More people need to see the charm in the old games, not just the current and modern stuff which tones down on the nutty aspects of what makes a cool fighting game (not to say that the new stuff is bad, not at all). I love Tekken 7, but i'd do anything to make older Tekken games more relevant today.
I agree with the point about some older game communities being very inviting. I actually started playing CvS2 in the Osaka area right before covid happened and the scene was super welcoming and down to help me get better. In Covid we've been having very small meetings (like 2-3 people) for players and even the best are always willing to help me understand matchups
Darkstalkers/Vampire Savior is the godfather of underrated fighting game gems that started the MvC series and brings awesome mechanics that still holds up in modern fighting games. It really gets the adrenaline flowing😁
The first fighting game I started to learn was 3rd Strike because of the great animation quality. It's a game that came out before I was even born (I was born in 03), but it's visuals and gameplay still hold on to this day. It's really impressive what capcom was able to do here. Oddly enough, I don't play any modern fighting games, and that's because of three reasons: 1: paid online. there's no way in hell I'm going to pay for a service that's free on PC 2: low end PC I own a laptop with an intel hd 5500 3: too many DLCs like you mentioned in the video, the DLCs are big gatekeeper for players, me included. I don't like the idea of buying new characters to keep up to date with the game, it's a quite the investment and it also makes every new fighting game release feel shallow, because I already know that the game will be incomplete at launch. I also play Guilty Gear XX and Marvel vs. Capcom 2. I haven't played them nearly as much as 3rd Strike, but, this past week, I have been playing nothing but GG and I'm loving it. I'm trying to apply air grabs to my gameplay and I'm starting to get the hang of it.
Some important points you brought up. Especially the hype cycle holds true to the new model many FGs adapted. Maybe the reception of those kind of videos can be better once a new hype title is available for 3 months or so. Hoping for an updated version once Strive is out for a while and in which degree it applies to that. Appreciate the thoughts and ideas given in the vid!
For me, a game I want to learn is CVS2 and Project Justice. I used to watch jp CVS2 tournament footage all the time and marvel at how crazy matches got. A buddy of mine did give me a taste of Justice not too long ago and I’m trying like crazy to find a way to either own it or obtain it so I can lab insane aerial combos.
Yo, I just discovered your channel and saw your commentary for combo breaker 2018 and it’s amazing! Thanks for contributing so much to the community and welcoming all us new people. I think I’m gonna try Xrd (I know it’s not old old but y’know)
I've been talking about this with my group of washed up salty "left behind" 09er group of friends for about 3-4 years now. The season system as it is implemented is one of the worse things for the "competitive integrity" of FGs. This loop of uncertainty you described is already bad enough by itself, but when you factor in the monetary interest of creating overpowered DLC characters that consistently disrupt the balance of the game, 4-6 times per year, it becomes kind of nefarious. Factor in that we used to KNOW and take as fact that fighting game characters are damn hard to make. They're not just skins and 10-20 animations. So these companies are stretching themselves while thinning down and simplifying the content so they can pump out 6 of them in a year. Plus, what is basically 2 "mandatory" big patches per season, it just creates games that are completely unstable competitively, but also gradually lose sight of whatever initial design they may have had at some point during their inception, which alienates early-adopters and does nothing to bring in newer players because they already "missed the bus", and even if they want a ticket, it's 5-seasons worth of cash. The system is for the devs pocket, not for the consumer, even though the consumer is glad to just gobble it up and hype it up. I want charas too, but i honestly prefered more strategic drops like Rev2, without the whole "new version pay again lol" baggage, ofc. Also the game i missed out on was MvC2...
It's funny but since I been creating my a game doc for a 3v3 fighting game i've been revisiting old games to get ideas on movesets, animations, character playstyles etc etc, The ones that I've found super interesting and have been putting a lot of time into have been GGACR and Tatsunoko vs Capcom. But I wanna try out more so see some of the wackier ideas some less known developers have made.
Not necessarily a boomer game, but a while back me and a friend over the course of like a week played every BlazBlue game for an afternoon or so. Seeing that through line of the absolute jank bullshit of CT to the familiar unfamiliarity of CPEX to finally getting to CF was really rewarding and we both learned a lot about BlazBlue and how the game functions by doing that, it was really fun to do.
I got into GG with Xrd when I was 15. Prior to that when the game was not out yet I spent a lot of time grinding out GGx2 reload and slightly learning how to play Dizzy and Sol. I always liked the feeling of old school fighting games like 3rd strike and older GG titles. The game I wished I got into however was the older Blaze Blue games. I tried BBtag and liked the switch mechanic a lot but the Single character depth while there was not enough to make me wanna play long term.
You might like BBCF! hard game to get into now but we arent trying to win evo right? just play it and enjoy it for what it is. 3s and +R are better netplay experiences right now tho
Really cool video. I was really into GGRev2 (and not much else), but when the pandemic hit, prospects for play obviously got significantly worse. I still play Rev2 often but I have to curate who I play with pretty hard to make sure I still feel like I'm playing the game I fell in love with. I ended up picking up +R when the rollback beta rolled out, since I had seen some of the more famous CMVs like Third Eye and some Fino VODs, and it definitely took me a while to get into it. The game felt a bit clunky, some characters felt more blatantly broken (both broken strong and broken bad) than in Rev2, and I kinda didn't stick with it at first, but after some revisits I've definitely come around to enjoying the game a lot, and maybe more importantly, understanding it and what made it special to the people that dedicate their time to it. Same thing happened with Third Strike; gave it a shot, and after a bit of a warming-up period, I've started having a fantastic time with the game. I've been struggling to keep up with more modern games, between disinterest in some and the pricing of others, so older games have been waaaaay more accessible- some slightly more esoteric stuff is way more palatable than the price of a lot of games at launch now. Cheers!
Hook said he wants to play fightings that have “guap” but hasn’t won anything the past year 😂. He’s become a content creator just like everybody else in this pandemic.
Oh thank god he said "guap", I thought he said something else.
@@sousedmonk7418 I'd play a game with wap
Oof
@@PSYCOMMUnist TIs cancelled so he'll have to find another game this pandemic season
👀👀👀👀👀👀
Lol imagine talking shit about someone learning an old FG to have fun with their friends while sitting and playing dbfz online
lmao i never thought about it that way but thats kinda funny yeah
imagine playing dbfz
The comfort of what you've learned staying relevant/practical is very real.
@@Amutsal I bet the danfinite stays in sfv
@@NinthSettler its niche and his only real good strategy so it best stay
I am just happy Capcom is listening, I damn near dropped this game after only buying it in December but the v shift change got me giddy
its a very good feeling when you come from the era of "this thing I learned was patched out last week"
@@doogies This is precisely the issue that’s making me think about coming back to Granblue. Took a couple of months off, and they’ve done 3-4 patches since, so I’m gonna have to relearn several things, on top of new DLC character matchups. Stability’s nice, even if it means putting up with some janky nonsense sometimes.
True dat, wreking kiddos at their own games with 20 min practice is priceless
Fightcade 2 is a godsend for oldies, 3rd Strike is so smooth to play there in comparison to 30th Anniversary Collection and there's a plethora of other great titles to choose from. Shame that JP devs can't be bothered providing a good official port most of the time, it makes all those classics harder for newcomers to play and appreciate until someone points them to other sources.
Skullgirls isn't an old-head game, but damn it feels like one considering how underappreciated it is. Good online, great community, launch party never ends
THANK YOU! for mentioning the gatekeeping of the season pass system. The amount of DLC is super daunting, and I find it to be that way as someone who's been playing for a decade. A great example is tekken, where you need so much intimate knowledge. It's a serious problem not being able to even do punishment training in that game without owning the character.
I think it being overpriced is a really bad look
For this reason I think dlc characters should be free to use in training mode. You don't have to purchase them to learn how to beat them and it's a good way to try them out before commiting to a purchase. So simple yet never implemented.
I just got into third strike tbh it’s the most fun I’ve been having lately.
Playing 3rd strike is just kinda chill. Even when it is hard, it isn’t stressful
not a bad choice!
Yo same
I actually grew up with Third Strike. Only 21 but I had the PS2 20th anniversary version alongside SF 2.
Tekken was the other old franchise I grew up with, starting with 2. Which, even that one I think holds up a bit. 1 does not though, man. It's rough.
Thats my favorite Street fighter game, the parry system is so good!
9 years ago, when I was like 14, I discovered a review of GGXX, the game looked crazy but the thing they prop the most in the review was the soundtrack, they say that even if you don't like the game you should listen to the soundtrack, So I did, the first song I came across was "feel a fear" and I was very impressed. I thought was the coolest stuff because at that time I was hard into metal. So I downloaded the game (yeah piracy was the only way, sorry) and it was amazing, i though it was the coolest shit ever, and that game basically ignited my interest for the FGC.
Fast forward to 2021 and it feels like a dream come true that I can play +R online, I'm still not good at all but I love that game, and i think that what i want the most in a fighting game is cool aesthetics, I'm really bad at FGs so i can't appreciate the mechanics, so i care a lot more about those other elements and i feel that the older titles are way more creative and cool.
I still appreciate your take man cause every fighting game should be a complete package
Same age. Same experience, but I Pirated it on psp. Used to hear revenga by SOAD (lmao) on repeat until I stumbled upon XX's ost
You don't need to apologize for pirating stuff lol
You are what the FGC needs bruh
Too many ppl think shit like story/characters/music/atmos don’t matter
I feel you. I bought an original xbox back then with xbox live with the hopes of playing online. We all know about how those mid evil times were for fighting games online.
I started playing fighting games right before the pandemic. First game I picked up was street fighter 2 turbo, because some anime convention I was at had a cab, and I played against a real sweaty balrog player. He beat the shit out of me then taught me how to throw a fireball/dragon punch and told me when/where they meet. The coolest thing about playing old games is everyone who's playing really likes the games and are super welcoming to new players
ST is its own kind of fun too!
Rival Schools still got a community, that's how you know this shit is still real. Even manifested Akira Kazama back into existence in SFV... what a timeline we're living in!
As someone who first got into fighting games around the mid 2010's, I've always had a fascination for older fighting games, especially ones released in arcades during the 90's. The hardest part for me personally has always been the less generous buffer windows and the tighter links or cancels (especially for stuff like older KOF), but there's still so much to enjoy even just from spectating or reading about them.
that is definitely something you have to get over but its just practice!
Just think about it this way; if you practice how to be good at an old fighting game with tight windows, imagine how much better you'll be when you go back to the more lenient games. You'll be bustin' asses!
Are you hooked up on the brazilian kof scene? These dudes all learned how to stream last year thanks to covid, and now they managed to have sponsored players and big prize pools for 98 and 2002 that they never had before. There was even a tournament where Xiao Hai was hanging out in chat, it was crazy.
thats dope! who or what are some streamers I should be watching?!
@@doogies You should check out Ninja98 and TGR_Brunokof as a start. Then Clã Ura, Lauyagami and lendários are a bit smaller, but host a lot of high level players and create exposure for them. You should also check Kof da depressão, his content is more casual than the others, but he's sort of a gateway to kof for a lot of people.
Looks like I'm going to Brazil!
I think the problem with the current cycle is that people expect something out of complaining because everyone is complaining about x then expect a patch. With older games, the bullshit stays and people learn to live and even love the bullshit that's within the game.
Harada understands.
@@chsi5420 How so? Tekken 7’s great, but I feel like they’ve been patching much more frequently over the last couple of years.
You do realize the game that he's playing went through a similar cycle. This is the fifth iteration of GGXX, you have the original, GGXX #Reload, GGXX Slash, GGXX AC, and GGXX AC+R. Of course it takes a little longer than an instant patch but this cycle has existed in fighting games since SF2 came out with Turbo and a million other balance and gameplay updates.
@@ninjannihilator It's still less patches than today's fighting games.
@@ninjannihilator I think their point is more the expectation of a direct line of communication with the devs for specific changes. GG or SF2 had lots of iterations, but I don't think any player felt like they could rabble rouse enough to make Sol lose his dust loop or whatever. There's positives with what we have today, but I think folks could just learn to live with shit more often instead of getting overheated and grabbing the pitchforks.
Before it was just like "Oh shit, I guess that's how they want it to play. This tactic is kind of degenerate; what can we do? Should it be banned? Etc."
Melty has definitely been my boomer game of choice. The characters may look basic wise but once you find your character, it's fun asf.
its a fun game
I should play some more melty especially since rollback
Garou, Third Strike, VF5FS definitely my boomer fighters of choice.
not bad picks!
Started playing accent core +r and its amazing. The characters are soo cool and it feels like there's so much dumb shit that wouldnt be put in modern fighting games but thats whats so fun. Every character is so unique and once you get used to moving it feels awesome
Dope to hear you are having fun!
These games getting a "second wind" reminds me the the Blazblue CF community recently started their own rollback project. Hot off the recent Ac+r patch, the guys who made the Centralfiction Improvement Mod announced they're going to (attempt to) retrofit GGPO into it.
Do you know who is in charge of modding the GGPO netcode into the game? The reason I ask is so I can get in contact with them in order to see what the BB community can do to help the project come to fruition, even if that means paying the modders to do so through a fundraiser. BBCF is currently my favorite fighting game of all time, and I feel like this series has been among the few that has been excluded in the rollback craze, with other series like KOF, GG, SS, MK, and SF having it, and it's about time the BB community had an actual playable environment to play in, so that we can enjoy the game to it's fullest.
@@lapis3965 I have no clue who is "in charge" but you can join google the BBCF improvement mod and join their discord, you can find all the info from there and ask questions.
wonder what their progress on it is like...
@@420malbania4 Grimflash in the discord is the one who started it
Picking up +R and XRD were the best choices I made going into 2020
+R legit more fun than any fighter released in the last 5 years
good games
Picking up +R was fucking a mistake for me bruh legit got addicted to that game, my grades suffered for that shit 😭
Totally agree. Literally hollered up a friend recently an said "Hey u wanna play Alpha 2 and 3, I've never actually played those games besides mashing when I was a kid"
Hopped on Fightcade, launched Alpha 3, laughed our asses off and had a great time. Not only that but we also got invested in that game because these games have their systems and stuff that you gotta learn from scratch... kind of, since it pretty much was new to me. It feels refreshing like you said, and I'll probably go back to that game during these next weeks.
Great video!
Alpha 2 is so fun .
Alpha 2 legit af love that game
Alpha 2 and 3 are fun in different ways for sure
A few things I've come to really appreciate in modern titles after playing a lot of +R :
Input buffer and Input shortcuts .You can have too much of it, but atleast a little of it is really nice.
Training mode options. The options you see in modern games for training mode, where you can set so many things for the dummy to automatically do is SO good. You forget that when you don't have it.
Edit : Well shit, 3 days after this, +R gets updated with better input leniency on half circles and some of the most advanced training mode options ( + take control in replays ) features ever. God is similing upon us, praise Daisuke ( and the +R team )
definitely on the buffer!
Bless Team French Caliburst, they're the gods behind +R's rollback and new features
Gotta admit, I'm really enjoying getting back into some old fighting games. Your inputs have to be CLEAN and they are absolutely brutal. The communities are super helpful and welcoming. My recommendations: Vampire Savior (that good shit that no one knows about), Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, SF Alpha 2 and 3, and Third Strike.
Last Blade 2 man
I’ve always wanted to learn it proper with people just never got around to it
It looks beautiful and plays great from just messing around in it
its a fun game in its own right, beautiful too
I'm 28 and FightCade is tight, playing mates in random games with good netcode is some of the most fun i've had in years. Looking foward to Strive since I got IRL friends to play the beta and they seemed to like it. Hope they stay interested.
dope! stay plugged in
Third strike took me ages to even try, it always looked so damn hard. But when i found out about Fightcade i had to give it a shot and it was a blast ! You do not have to be a parry god for that game to still be fun and the community was great, super helpful and kind : )
Tibazz
yup. you would be surprised how stuff that seems "hard" or you heard is super difficult ends up being fun to play and vibe with
VSAV, easily. That game has one of the coolest rosters I've ever seen in a fighting game.
VS def has CHARACTER, charisma. some of capcoms tightest designs and aesthetics. you wont get another game like it
Facts! I recently got into Garou: Mark of the Wolves..such a dope feel and interesting mechanics
and it has rollback as well.
b jenet 😍
Tbh that feeling of losing everything that you've learned in a FG is the reason why I stopped playing Battle For The Grid. Game was hella fun and busted but because of a recent change all my combo routes were gone, and that made my motivation to keep up go away. Recently I started playing +R and even if there's a lot to learn, it just feels nice knowing that everything that I learn will always stay. Honestly is one of the good things about games that have stopped development in general, because the same thing applies for KI. Maybe not as old, but still.
KI is tight, I like raam and rash (neither is a KI char lol)
Can’t agree more! I picked up SFV and 3S at the same time when I first started playing fighting games. It was really eye opening to see skills learned in both games carrying over into the other. Also, the 3S community has been very inviting since the beginning.
Never forget, UNMUTE OBAMA!
dope to hear!
Every once in awhile, I'll hop back onto MvC2 to mess about with combos and whatnot and its always fun.
But props to some of the older players like rom who still upload sets, and it's super fun to watch some new players, or sick matches with low tier characters
mvc2 u can play by yourself and be having fun
My friend got me into BB tag around 2019 and I saw characters from arcana and akatsuki and it made try the older games they came from and I have fell in love with the aesthetic and mechanics of the game. Sometimes I just go into the training mode and mess around with the game to just see how cool it was. There’s just a vast amount of games that being in the fgc you’re doing yourself a disservice by not trying.
Love the way youve been handling these videos, from thumbnail to not including twitch chat on the side to the music, these are perfect. Never change.
yeah kazmer been killing it. thanks for coming through
[scratches head] how is not including twitch chat on the side specifically a good thing? I've always wanted to pick the brains of those who thought this.
I feel like a lot of newer games these days don't really have it together in terms of accessible guides. Ever since forums and wikis died and got replaced by subreddits / Discord / UA-cam / Google Docs, finding info has looped back around to being more time-consuming. It really seems like the era approximately between SF4 and BBCP was a sort of sweet spot for guides being really good and really easy to find.
Mizuumi/Dustloop wiki are still alive and pretty solid.
@@jy61 Yeah but only for some games, sometimes for just some characters.
thats definitely an issue for some games, but even some new games (Tekken 7) you are forced to look elsewhere to find information on how to actually play the game
"Finished" games (no more content or balance updates) are the best tbh. It lends such a powerful feeling of authenticity to progress and improvement.
I basically only play "boomer games" at this point.
The grandeur of modern fighting games, the really good ones, is magnified by an appreciation of where they came from and how far they've come. When you've actually lined up to play a Karate Champ machine and seen everything that's been released over the last 37 years it only adds to that hype. Some of y'all youngins wouldn't even know how lucky we are that there are such things as Street Fighter 2 clones and not Martial Champion clones.
And yes, learning (like really learning) one of the classics could probably help even the Millest of the Millenials to have a better understanding and appreciation for not only what makes a game great, but where certain mechanics came from and why/how they survived or evolved over the years. Not to mention there usually was a high execution ceiling on many of the classics that would only improve your own execution if you mastered them.
So I was one of those who thought fighting games were trash. That is until 8 years ago my friends changed my mind. They were massive fans of fighting games and wanted to get their hands on as many as possible. That leads to them having at least one game from a series of the majority of franchises out there. Instead of them getting mad at me and calling me an idiot. They showed me three games Street Fighter Alpha Anthologies, Street Fighter Anniversary Collection, and Capcom vs SNK 2. I understand that some of these have issues, but for someone who was brand new to fighting games, it was awesome. I'll always cherish Alpha 3 and CvS2 for getting me into a genre I love. Been going back and playing them and having an absolute blast. And since we also played UMvC3 I have been wanting to get into that as well. Learn all the tech from these games and actually be adequate lol. Learning old games can be super fun.
My local scene has started picking up CHAOS CODE (CHODE for short), and to my surprise I'm actually really enjoying playing it. I've always been kind of adverse to learning new games after pouring hours into one (Xrd), but since covid hit and we can't really compete in our main games, it has been a breath of fresh air picking up something I've heard of but never really had the urge to try. It also gives us our own little version of trying to figure out tech when games first come out like you mentioned. I definitely recommend trying out a new game once in a while, even if it is only for a week, just to remember what it is like to be new to a game and the excitement of finding tech or landing a hard combo for the first time.
Shout out to the GRFGC and MIFGC ✊😤
chaos code was tragic...no netcode :*(
@@doogies It works well enough to play with people ~ an hour away. Def aint no rollback though 😭
I’ve been having a ton of fun learning KOF 2002 UM. The roster is crazy diverse, the balance is great, and Code Mystics did an awesome job with the net play. I can play people near 300 ping with little visible rollback when my delay is set to 3 frames. Highly recommend it to anyone looking for a new fighting game or interested in learning KOF before XV drops.
yeah. feels fun to play, its corny and an old jank ass game but its still fun in its own way.
The game is quite balanced compared to other games like 3rd Strike. It’s never thinking you lost because of a character, you lost because your skill is not up to par. The game is brutally difficult.
Truth. Recently started to play Karnov's Revenge and this game is so fun
Me too! Super fun
That game is definitely heat.
karnov is a beast. clown is a beast PICK A CARD
Now that you mention it, the JoJo community was pretty much the first I stumbled into because I didn't really have a game to play yet but I liked the show so I started with that and since it was the first for me I had no point of reference just how much time the people spent on discovering tech and writing guides. The Discord has been a very pleasant experience and I've been in contact with most of the figureheads of it. I even participated in a few online tournaments (though I'm in europe so I had a good 2 second delay) and it was a blast.
melty looks amazing, KOF 13 is the coolest looking game I've ever seen and been playing a ton of +r. from guy who started playing fighting games like 3 months ago
get a friend to startplaying one with
That's basically what me and my now friends that I found through fightcade did in the pandemic. Built a discord server around 3rd strike had tournaments and then eventually started playing and having server tournaments for other old fighting games like alpha, acpr, garou, samsho, last blade. I think someone recently even started playing the sailor moon fighting game. Giving these games rollback is something that has kept me in the fgc because tbh SFV connection and matchmaking is kinda garbage out here in india and it's just fun to play and try out these older games that we didn't get to as kids. We made a yt and twitch around it too just to have try and have these tournaments recorded and streamed incase there are other fans who wanna get in on it.
I got into the last blade series because the main character's birthday is the same as mine and I went down the rabbit hole... a damn good one because LB2 is now my favorite fighting game ever. my favorite fg is literally older than me! LOL
I've been learning and competiting in any Advanced Variable Geo 2 brackets that I happen to come across and it's been some of the most fun I've ever had with a fighting game in a very long time
There just something about fighting games where everyone is so overtuned it wraps right back around to being entertaining that always brings me back
Been picking up a lot of older games lately with my homie. KOF13, GG+R, CVS2, KOF2002 and Melty have been games we've stuck with for months simply because they run so much better online compared to modern games (+ discovery of older games has been a lot of fun).
Like we love Tekken but we know if we play it we gotta wait on long ass load times, stutters/freezes and drops but if we run an older game we'll get good quality, quick matches.
Yeah like I said, im not on a high horse saying "old games are better than new ones" as much as I am saying the experience is different, and given the current status quo, can feel surprisingly refreshing
I agree with everything you said which is why I'm like play what you wanna play. Don't let the hype of "new game" get you to forget great games that have already come out. If more ppl adopted this mentality, the communities can thrive for a long ass time.
I have GG Accent but I just don't even know how to play, but it seems my thoughts might be shifted
I was going to leave a comment about music in the background but then I realized it was playing in the other tab. Good video, Obama. You a real one.
thanks for coming through
Im so old that i dont consider GGXX an old game. When people talk about old fighting games i think about shit like World Heroes and SF2 😆
This is something I always want with my friends. No one of them tries older games because of the difficulty(in some cases), mechanics, and "polish" they have in comparison with newer games. For me, this is what makes these games so special, in the last week I spent good hours playing the first Guilty Gear, Art of Fighting 3, and SVC Chaos, all of them are pretty different and enjoyable. I wish they have the patience to experience some of these games, I had so much fun playing Arcade Mode with the old titles man, the victory screens, cutscenes, secrets endings...
When I tired from Street Fighter V or Tekken 7, Fightcade has been a good fresh air for me. Last night tried a little of Rival Schools 2 and was awesome.
yeah, as a palette cleanser, old games can really hit
I'm not really a zoomer (I was born in 1994), but I got into fighting games last year and I have enjoyed a lot of the ones that I played and learned how to play with an arcade stick, which 10 times more fun for me.
I wish I started earlier tbh honest, games like CvS2, +R, KI and KoFXIII are some of the most that I want to play and get good at. I played +R for 2 months and I enjoyed every second of it, easily one my all time favorites. Currently I'm playing BBCF and I think I might stick with it for longer, I kinda stopped playing the newer games because of it xD
Way ahead of you bro. Started playing fighting games with Melee & 3S & Alpha 2, and I'm glad I've been playing them long enough to eventually get access to better netcode.
I'd love to get into KOFXIII, that game is just pure eye candy to me. Also, even though it's not really an old game, SFxTekken is another one i'd like to get into
kof 13 is a good game, and SFxT could have been really good with one more patch see: ua-cam.com/video/RTTXLRqHa-Y/v-deo.html
Same. KOF is just so harsh as a series. Like when you have a traditional game that, I think at least, has way higher execution than most air-dashers, it can be pretty daunting.
But watching high level play of that game is pretty nuts.
This vid got me into Vampire Savior and the community has been wonderful, the game is super fun, AND its improved my technical execution for newer games
Man that is fantastic to hear
@@doogies you're out here improving the scene with every vid. Thanks for the great work.
i wish i wasnt so broke back then so i could play P4 fighting games :/
At least i finally could play strive, although probably gonna wait until crossplay between pc and console implemented before i could play against most of my friends
It’s a shame that people think you have to play only newer games. A fun game is a fun game, these older titles don’t get less fun because they’re a few decades old.
Once you get into retro it is a great feeling, because the doors open up to a lifetime of fantastic, time-tested games. There’s already so many gems out there waiting for you to appreciate them like they were appreciated in their prime.
While I've been called a boomer due to my love for +R despite being 21 lol.
I've got to say HnK is the boomer game I want to play the most that I don't currently play and it's not even close. I have no idea how to even access the game yet alone learn it.
Yarr yarr fiddle dee dee
PS2 emulator for training mode - NullDC Bear for netplay!
@@doogies Holy shit. Thank you so much. Imma try to get it set up tomorrow
Years ago I was going through the games on Fightcade with a friend. Garou Mark of the Wolves, Samurai Showdown and KoF(i dont remember which one) are easily the hypest old fighting games I've ever messed around with.
garou is pretty cool to me imo
You have to recommend the zoomers to watch or better read Hi Score Girl too
great anime
My friends and I try every week to have a fight night where we play fighting games, and in the past year we went from SFV and Xrd to 3rd strike on fightcade and +R almost strictly for the net code and more often then not we play those titles. Playing a game like +R is fun because there isn’t really a character that isn’t fucked up especially for mediocre players like ourselves and it overall I think had made me personally improve as a player. Thanks Obama for putting something I’ve felt for a while in a more tangible light
thanks for watching! glad it resonated
I been learning MVC2 for like a year only low tiers it's been mad fun and I even entered an online low tier tournament. old fighting games are supper fun. I played a lot of old fighting games casual as a kid and it's soo fun and interesting exploring them with my woke 09er brain.
yeah, they are a really good palette cleanser i think
@@doogies most definitely. I'm tryna get that a groove poppin too
I was at an odd age where I loved SFA2 but was too young to really appreciate it, and by the time I was older it had gone away. Would love to see it make a comeback because it is the pinnacle of old school SF IMO and SFV doesn’t scratch that itch for me.
Same! this is why its fun to revisit it years later!
I look at SSBM a lot and wish I was tight at that game. I’m deterred because of the skills I have to learn to get even decent at the game. I’ve recently been playing Third Strike and have been eyeing up Accent Core. Just having no buffer system kills it for me.
I learned AC and Melee about the same time and in my perspective, even coming from a Smash Bros background, AC was much easier for me to learn and get into. People always say you have to learn a bunch of complex systems, but while in Melee it feels like you need to be fluent in all of them you can pick and choose as a new AC player.
Melee through slippi has a lot of tools to help you though! tutorial, drills, good netplay etc. worth considering
@@doogies The tutorials are not Slippy Melee specifically but the Uncle Punch Training Mod. They can be run in Slippy however.
I'm 42, but I love the old as much as the new Fighting Games as long as they have motion inputs.
TTT1 was my boomer game of choice here as this particular tekken is the most relevant version here at PH with 2nd being 6, back in the day I just want to be a real sweatlord using Devil/Jin.
btw anyone know any other means to emulate TTT1 closest to the arcade, my only option i know of is MAME 1.6 with TTT1.
I know there is a way to play it online I just dont know how! Sorry! TTT1 is hype tho lol
Only means I've ever known for online play is Parsec, that game is my jam.
As a 34 yr old, I still go back to Alpha 2 and Alpha 3 from time to time, and with +R I also saw an opportunity to get into GG again since I had only dabbed a little with GGAC back in the day. Anyway, the Alpha series are my favorite games to play, even to this day with the more complex and dynamic systems in games that we have nowadays. I hit start, the character select songs come out and my blood feels the hype almost instantly!
dope! all 3 of those offer something different
@@doogies Totally! And the knowledge you get from them stays. Players, especially SF players, who got here after IV and haven't seen what came before, REALLY don't know what they're missing.
Sonic fighters in the arcade back in the day you kids dont even know, i would just look at the cab and someone would infinite dust loop me
Rollback? More like you would get rollbacked to the bowling ally the cab was at, where you play a casual game of bowling because you just couldn't step up to us arcade gods
that game is dumb fun lol
I appreciate the Coming To America reference in the thumbnail and the Animaniacs/Goodfeathers reference in your online user name. Also, thanks for the thoughtful content that you make.
kazmer is pretty cultured
VF5FS is the boomer choice for me.. plz Sega
I wanna try the game but as a PC gamer, I have nowhere to play it.
@@akaiyui9300 I've been dabbling with it on the PS3 emulator, and it's possible to play multiplayer via Parsec but... It's Just not optimal. A straight up PC port with rollback would be sooo great
@@marcosazevedo6893 I'm still waiting for someone to dump the native pc arcade version tho.
@@marcosazevedo6893 Who tryna scrap
for me it was Capcom vs SNK and KoF 98 or 96??, the abundant of characters, how cool they looked, the music, gameplay (till now it really fun to watch). I was young back then and couldn't do any command moves or ultimate as fast as possible (probably still for certain moves). also getting gate keeping by my elder siblings didn't help :). I lost my interest over time and to all 2d fight in general and replace it with 3d fighting game like tekken and SC. Now I kinda wanna go back and explore it more. Especially after playing GG strive beta and realizing I can get good at it and how fun the experience.
better time now than ever
It's insane how Tekken was way up in the charts. It's pretty much a boomer game because of how little it's changed over the years. That netcode update was a godsend, can't believe it took that fucking long for them to do at least something about it.
I picked up +R on a whim during summer sale and its easily in my top 5 or 3 favorite fighting games ever, its frustrating (theres hella bullshit in this game) but losing in any game is frustrating and applying things that I learn is immensly satisfying
Man, I watch maximiliandood, all I do is play Boomer Fighting games lmao.
As a 21 year old who got vanilla sf4 11 years ago in an Easter basket, learning of the existence of older/legacy games and series in the genre has been the best part of playing these games. Every sale on older titles, I pick them up and have a blast exploring what characters and mechanics the game has. But even more, watching tournament/high level play of older games is so enjoyable, it makes me want to hang out in training mode and deep dive the game for fun. With that said I have had my eye on Sengoku Basara X for a minute. The characters designs and visuals similar to XX and HNK look sick.
Sengoku Basara X is raw kusoge but its beautiful for it lol
I recently picked up 3rd Strike in September 2020 when my friend introduced me to it and it changed my life
On the point of fighting game structures and DLC gatekeeping newer players; this is EXACTLY what happened with me and Granblue Fantasy Versus. I was late to the party and huge amounts of DLC made me not want to touch it - the shitty netcode didn't help either. I'm also pretty new to fighting games beyond casually playing Street Fighter and Tekken back in the day. So now I am just waiting for Guilty Gear Strive and trying to pick up Accent Core and Rev 2 to play around with my friends.
GBVS is very guilty of this
(i think i made a comment on here that i was going to just update, but i couldn't find it)
ive watched a lot of marvel because it looks really cool, and only recently started trying to learn a team in 3 while playing with my roommate. i would love to learn 2, but a lot of the information out there for learning it seems to be scattered around from what i can tell, and nobody i know wants to play or learn the game with me. i could hop onto fightcade, since flycast has rollback now, but i don't know if im ready before i learn a bit more
As someone whos been playing SSBM pretty much since childhood, getting into fighting games was pretty cool, but the game that really made me stay was +R. The combo possibilities, execution and movement were all things that drew me to Melee, which really made me grind it for hours. So seeing people support and prop up +R and their other favourite older games makes me really happy.
+R is a good lil game. interesting to hear you vibing with it coming from a melee background
@@doogies the similarities are actually really striking i think. No input buffer, high execution ceiling, lots of cancel oppurtunities or just generally lots of freedom in combos, well and its just such an agressive game as well.
KOF inspired Smash in the first place, you can try that, too.
@@chronology556 I really like the movement in melty blood and kof a lot. Gameplay expression through movement is really cool which is really versatile in those games
vampire savior is pure fun, such an underrated gem. the characters, the music, the gameplay, everything is just so good. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting to play old-school fighters
its one of capcoms greatest IPs. shame its kind of forgotten
@@doogies it has some of the sickest character designs ive seen in a video game, now all those characters were just thrown away by capcom smh
I totally agree. Sometimes it’s just great to pick up those old games. I picked up GG for the first time about 1 1/2 years ago, and it’s now my favorite fighting game series.
I always played mk growing up, and my brother SF. One day I randomly came across a Sajam video about MK11. 1 week later he was talking about evo moments from GGxrd. I saw Omito playing Johnny and thought “I need to play this game.” Idk how I didn’t discover this game earlier because I just fell in love with it.
Bro and I buy xrd. He likes the way chipp looks, I play Johnny. Started playing Lobbies night after night losing every match until our third day lol, but we still had a blast. That was September 2019. Then GGac+r gets the rollback patch and we buy that. Turns out we loved that game even more than xrd.
Fast forward to now and he’s maining Johnny and I’m maining chipp in xx. This game easily jumped to our favorite fighting game, dethroning Mk Trilogy, SF alpha 2 and MvC1/2.
Sometimes those old games just ignite something in you. Mk11 didn’t spark that same joy in me like the older titles, but GG for some reason just clicked. It makes me feel like a teenager again. It feels so nostalgic even tho I didn’t start playing in 2019. Now we’re playing GGxxac+r and BBCF almost every other day
dope! BBCF and +R are fun!
Here to drop a big thanks to the guys who have breathed life into competitive Street Fighter Alpha 2. Once I figured out that the highest damaging stuff, the custom combos, weren't too terribly hard to learn and execute, the metagame boiled down to the chess in neutral. Meter management is extra important in that game and knowing that Alpha Counters can kill just makes it so interesting.
A2 is fun
Most of the fg's i enjoy are older then i am and personally, you bring a great point about the whole modern fg patch and dlc cycles. I find it hard to stay tuned into a game with consistent or heavy patching with few exceptions. I heavily enjoy it more when i can look and play a game and be like "it is what it is" and not have my future enjoyment and time spent with the game be up in the air because of some wacky 2.0 update or year patch or something. Which is why i will always try to get people to play games of legal drinking age where i am not, a large amount of the moments that make me cherish fighting games is the busted ass stuff that would have gotten patched in a newer title.
yeah its just great to have em as a palette cleanser
The whole reason I don't get into many modern fighting games is absolutely the DLC. It's frustrating to try to get in on the ground floor and then suddenly be completely out of the loop because I don't want to drop extra money on a character I'm simply just not going to play. But that means that I have no opportunity to actually play that character and figure out what they're about so I know what to look for online. I mean I was never good or anything, but it's just disheartening to know that even though I bought a full price game, I no longer have a COMPLETE game because I didn't spend even more money.
Meanwhile games from before the DLC era, all the characters are just THERE, you know? I miss those days.
Edit: Also, shit I would LOVE to have a CvS2 cab. It's the game that made me realize how much I loved fighting games. My friends and I would play the PS2 version all the time when we were in high school.
DLC walls are def a gatekeeper imo
3rd strike on FC2 generally has between 150 and 400 players logged on at any point (so like 20-100 matches running at any moment), as well as multiple online tournaments every week
yeah, its a good look
One more thing I want to comment is that for modern fighting games because of patches a lot of things change. Now that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Some stuff really does need to be toned down or made better, but the drawback from that is that a lot of stuff made early on in a game's life is outdated in the later parts of it. Like FighterZ for example. Cell, Goku Black, and Android 16 were without a doubt the best characters in the game. Memes were made about them and any stuff around that time says they are. If a person who was to get into FighterZ now would be very surprised by how wrong it is. And guides made about characters early on are now wrong and the characters are different, plus that's without the system mechanics added in since it's been out. FighterZ used to only have one assist per character. Now it has 3 per character. THAT'S HUGE. Anyway I agree with Obama. Don't gaitkeep yourself from enjoying old fighting games. Try stuff out man.
I'm 26, the last tournament I entered was Marvel 1 when I was in Australia 2 years ago. As long as you have people to play with, I really don't see the point in *not* playing old games that you have access to.
Matter of fact, I find it less attractive to learn new fighting games than to learn old games that have a thriving scene unless they have good online. Strive is the only new title that I'm seriously considering investing serious time into because the online is wild.
big agreee
We need more people in the community that are like you, Majin Obama. More people need to see the charm in the old games, not just the current and modern stuff which tones down on the nutty aspects of what makes a cool fighting game (not to say that the new stuff is bad, not at all). I love Tekken 7, but i'd do anything to make older Tekken games more relevant today.
thanks for watching
Great vid, perspective and just getting rid of ignorance is a great reason on its own to play ANY of the older titles in any series/genre
big agree. annoying when you see people talking out their ass
I agree with the point about some older game communities being very inviting. I actually started playing CvS2 in the Osaka area right before covid happened and the scene was super welcoming and down to help me get better. In Covid we've been having very small meetings (like 2-3 people) for players and even the best are always willing to help me understand matchups
cool to hear! hope everything is cool in osaka for you! im jealous, love that place
Darkstalkers/Vampire Savior is the godfather of underrated fighting game gems that started the MvC series and brings awesome mechanics that still holds up in modern fighting games. It really gets the adrenaline flowing😁
VS is tight til you run into a sasquatch player
5:27 that's so true. Johnny costs more that ggst base game + 1st season DLC
The first fighting game I started to learn was 3rd Strike because of the great animation quality. It's a game that came out before I was even born (I was born in 03), but it's visuals and gameplay still hold on to this day. It's really impressive what capcom was able to do here. Oddly enough, I don't play any modern fighting games, and that's because of three reasons:
1: paid online.
there's no way in hell I'm going to pay for a service that's free on PC
2: low end PC
I own a laptop with an intel hd 5500
3: too many DLCs
like you mentioned in the video, the DLCs are big gatekeeper for players, me included.
I don't like the idea of buying new characters to keep up to date with the game, it's a quite the investment and it also makes every new fighting game release feel shallow, because I already know that the game will be incomplete at launch.
I also play Guilty Gear XX and Marvel vs. Capcom 2. I haven't played them nearly as much as 3rd Strike, but, this past week, I have been playing nothing but GG and I'm loving it. I'm trying to apply air grabs to my gameplay and I'm starting to get the hang of it.
Some important points you brought up. Especially the hype cycle holds true to the new model many FGs adapted.
Maybe the reception of those kind of videos can be better once a new hype title is available for 3 months or so. Hoping for an updated version once Strive is out for a while and in which degree it applies to that. Appreciate the thoughts and ideas given in the vid!
the "hype" cycle is what modern fg releases have devolved into to me
For me, a game I want to learn is CVS2 and Project Justice. I used to watch jp CVS2 tournament footage all the time and marvel at how crazy matches got. A buddy of mine did give me a taste of Justice not too long ago and I’m trying like crazy to find a way to either own it or obtain it so I can lab insane aerial combos.
Yo, I just discovered your channel and saw your commentary for combo breaker 2018 and it’s amazing! Thanks for contributing so much to the community and welcoming all us new people. I think I’m gonna try Xrd (I know it’s not old old but y’know)
thanks for coming through man! Xrd is a great game (not a "boomer" game but...still good!)
I've been talking about this with my group of washed up salty "left behind" 09er group of friends for about 3-4 years now.
The season system as it is implemented is one of the worse things for the "competitive integrity" of FGs. This loop of uncertainty you described is already bad enough by itself, but when you factor in the monetary interest of creating overpowered DLC characters that consistently disrupt the balance of the game, 4-6 times per year, it becomes kind of nefarious.
Factor in that we used to KNOW and take as fact that fighting game characters are damn hard to make. They're not just skins and 10-20 animations. So these companies are stretching themselves while thinning down and simplifying the content so they can pump out 6 of them in a year.
Plus, what is basically 2 "mandatory" big patches per season, it just creates games that are completely unstable competitively, but also gradually lose sight of whatever initial design they may have had at some point during their inception, which alienates early-adopters and does nothing to bring in newer players because they already "missed the bus", and even if they want a ticket, it's 5-seasons worth of cash.
The system is for the devs pocket, not for the consumer, even though the consumer is glad to just gobble it up and hype it up.
I want charas too, but i honestly prefered more strategic drops like Rev2, without the whole "new version pay again lol" baggage, ofc.
Also the game i missed out on was MvC2...
no reason why you cant mess around with it now! thanks for saying whats up
It's funny but since I been creating my a game doc for a 3v3 fighting game i've been revisiting old games to get ideas on movesets, animations, character playstyles etc etc, The ones that I've found super interesting and have been putting a lot of time into have been GGACR and Tatsunoko vs Capcom. But I wanna try out more so see some of the wackier ideas some less known developers have made.
Not necessarily a boomer game, but a while back me and a friend over the course of like a week played every BlazBlue game for an afternoon or so. Seeing that through line of the absolute jank bullshit of CT to the familiar unfamiliarity of CPEX to finally getting to CF was really rewarding and we both learned a lot about BlazBlue and how the game functions by doing that, it was really fun to do.
BB isnt boomer game, but "middle aged" at this point. great series tho
picking up +R and VSAV with sajam's discord has been insanely fun and rewarding
great to hear! thats awesome
I got into GG with Xrd when I was 15. Prior to that when the game was not out yet I spent a lot of time grinding out GGx2 reload and slightly learning how to play Dizzy and Sol. I always liked the feeling of old school fighting games like 3rd strike and older GG titles. The game I wished I got into however was the older Blaze Blue games. I tried BBtag and liked the switch mechanic a lot but the Single character depth while there was not enough to make me wanna play long term.
You might like BBCF! hard game to get into now but we arent trying to win evo right? just play it and enjoy it for what it is. 3s and +R are better netplay experiences right now tho
@@doogies I actually just bought BBCF and started messing around with Amane. So far I really like it
Really cool video. I was really into GGRev2 (and not much else), but when the pandemic hit, prospects for play obviously got significantly worse. I still play Rev2 often but I have to curate who I play with pretty hard to make sure I still feel like I'm playing the game I fell in love with. I ended up picking up +R when the rollback beta rolled out, since I had seen some of the more famous CMVs like Third Eye and some Fino VODs, and it definitely took me a while to get into it. The game felt a bit clunky, some characters felt more blatantly broken (both broken strong and broken bad) than in Rev2, and I kinda didn't stick with it at first, but after some revisits I've definitely come around to enjoying the game a lot, and maybe more importantly, understanding it and what made it special to the people that dedicate their time to it. Same thing happened with Third Strike; gave it a shot, and after a bit of a warming-up period, I've started having a fantastic time with the game. I've been struggling to keep up with more modern games, between disinterest in some and the pricing of others, so older games have been waaaaay more accessible- some slightly more esoteric stuff is way more palatable than the price of a lot of games at launch now. Cheers!
ACPR is a natural transition I think if you play GG