DC Comics' Justice League Has Gone Off the Rails!
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- DC Comics' new status quo is every hero and some villains are now a part of The Justice League. The team is already so big it has gone off the rails. DC names 10 titles fans need to read to keep up with the exploits of their premiere superhero team. Not only is JLU and the solo titles part of this. But many unnecessary tie-in books that serve no purpose but to make the heroes and teams feel small. Wes explains why he believes Justice League Unlimited is already taking up far too much real-estate in the DC-Prime Universe. DC Comics' Justice League has gone off the rails!
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Justice League Unlimited cartoon had a giant Justice league, but in the end only main core was shown, plus sometimes a few background ones were shown. Because there were 2 many.
What they should do is split the groups up. Like 1 in USA, 1 in Europe, 1 in Asia, 1 in space, 1 in South America, 1 in Africa, 1 for magic, 1 for middle East, etc. That is only way the everyone in JL can work, there is waaaaay 2 many characters in the team.
So disappointing. I wish I could turn back the clock to the 80s when DC and Marvel had great writers and artists pouring their hearts and souls into their work. These DEI goofballs strike Gold once every 20 years then are given major titles to destroy.
@@JeffJak Yes.
80s? JLA Detroit? Bad ones even then.
Bro is racist
@@JeffJak Don't project your ignorance
What has DEI got to do with it?? So far there are NO diverse writers writing most of these books!!
Paul Dini should do Justice League Unlimited.
Well, he's not at DC for some reason (maybe quit?)
DC can't afford him.
Having people buy 10 floppies to follow a series is just plain predator. In lower a lower income country like mine it prices you out the hobby.
But I think it also has a point where it backfires. I.e. I read comics digitally. Sometimes I just binge read a comic book series, but series that force me to find other books are the fastest way to make me stop reading a series as it interrupts the flow to an extreme. It may boost sales today, but it may end up with being a book that vanishes into the unknown, quite opposed to how some or the old runs get found and bought by new readers all the time.
I think Mr. Terrific is the chairman of the current JL. I dont care for everyone being a JL member.
Devalues the brand like everybody being an avenger
@Galvatronover yes!!!
Well, that's the theme now
Including all villains sounds problematic. I could see them saying if a villain wanted to reform, like Flash’s Rogues, but some of the bad guys are killers. Are we SURE we want to give the bad guys access to the good guys at all?
10 comic books tied together is a bad idea.
Yet 25+ movies tied together to follow the MCU is okay?
I enjoyed Marvin, Wendy and Wonder Dog, watching over a nearly empty Justice League HQ every Saturday. Now, it's standing room only.
I already predicted 2 things, first that huge satellite city will definitely either crash to earth or be destroyed, and they will reduce the team back to the original 7 with a few of them swapped out for ethnic replacements.
Didn’t something happen to the satellite in the cartoon?
Luthor took control of the satellite and fired on Cadmus to frame the league. Waller got mad and sent everything Cadmus had to fight the league. Lex did all this to not only frame the league but to download himself into a duplicate of Amazo, who In The cartoon universe is immortal. Batman proves their innocence and the league and Waller stopped Lex, who then found out brainiac was living and hiding inside of him and was the real reason he wanted to take control of Amazon body double. Then the Flash killed Brainiac and beat him out of lex’s body and faded into the speed force. Superman almost killed Lex but didn't and the league formed a human chain to pull Wally back to Earth.
The end
How so sure are you? This is Waid we are talking and he has full Editorial control over it
@@davidfarrington4308it was attack by Cadmus group members
DC has missed the mark with how far the JLA and JSA titles have fallen. Around the time of Snyder taking over justice league is when I left the title. Then DC torpedoed Geoff Johns JSA book.
Jeff Lemire is writing JSA and it's been pretty good
@ I didn’t bother with it cause it s apart of the Absolute line. I may give it a shot
The Titans have had a really abusive relationship with the Justice League for a long time. It seems that editorial really wants to make it clear to readers what the pecking order is. I kind of wonder if it is some form of petty retaliation for the original generation of sidekicks outgrowing their subordinate roles back in the 80s.
I totally agree that Green Lantern characters feel like they should be bigger than Earth superhero culture. I recall seeing a Justice League story a while ago where Lex Luthor had recruited a new Legion of Doom, and I just couldn't get over how odd it seemed for a character like Sinestro to be there.
Maybe Sinestro finds Earth, it's people/culture, and in particular Lex, very, very interesting and nothing like the other alien civilisations he has come across throughout the entire universe!
I feel that the JLA having a back to basic treatment after more than a entire decade of mediocre storylines is welcome. But so many spin-offs can make difficult for the readers to follow.
You know the JLU cartoon had all the superheroes under the one team banner right? Let's be honest you're pissing allover this because of waid it has nothing to do if the book is good or bad it's because of waid. The book is good not great but really good but again you're coming up with petty excuses to say this and everything about it is terrible and destroying DC comics.
Funny how MCU has heaps of heroes, yet it is not "too big to succeed".
Seems like, it is okay when Marvel do it....
I wanted the Justice League back for ages now. But man... not like this. Not. Like. This.
I just wanted the team out doing cool stuff and fighting aliens, demi gods, monsters and criminal plots. Not everything needs to be the biggest event ever
A super dump 💩 😂😂😂 had me rolling... kryptonite sponge? 🧽
The JLU isn't as bad as you porpurt it to be. Mark waid is doing a good job at balancing the characters and giving them a fleeting spotlight. I understand your dissatisfaction with the series, although it does sound you're coming from a place of hate since you repeatedly said you hate Mark waid because of x, y, or z. Comparmentalizing your hate from someone's work is key. It has a good mystery surrounding the Inferno, the mysterious mole lurking in the watchtower, Martian manhunt going awol. Idk, it all dovetails nicely.
This like when everyone in Marvel got thrown into the Avengers pool, or when every mutant was an X-Man. Both those books started to feel pointless because they didn't have the stories for a lot of the team, so they were just glorified cameos. Also, shoving heroes together in books just doesn't feel special anymore since it's done every other issue to prop up sales.
Yeah hard to take commentary seriously here when you don't bother to actually read the Justice League book. All I will say is the interest is there in the title as it is selling. Wes overstates things here too. Also the concept of it is behind the idea of them being caught completely flat footed by Waller in Absolute Power. Which did not suck either. In fact that was too short, it should been five issues and could have really delved more into some angles of the story. And YOU DO NOT NEED to read the titles mentioned to enjoy the Justice League either. The concept here also harkens back to the animated show, which never got this big, but the concept intrigues people as many watched the animated show. The book is written well. Mark Waid's talents are just too good for him to write something like this poorly. You don't like the concept? Fine. And I will admit it's a juggling act to keep the book focused. But its good, better then wasting time with the Titans series which is dead in the water. My last comment...go get a copy and read it. Judge for yourself, because seeing as how I have been at this longer, I have read far worse then this series of Justice League. Oh...go read Green Lantern...its wonderful. That I absolutely agree with. WTF20.
I wonder if the grand plan is to "Authority" the Justice League. Everything described sounds similar in scope to the time Authority took over and became the protectors of the world. This never ends well. It worked in the JLU cartoon because it was there because the stories had to stay simple with the 22 minute running time and the necessary requirement to return to an equilibrium. Waid and DC won't be able to help themselves.
No,The JLA should fight against the Authority for their harsh methods,no become more like them.
No, it's to imitate the TV show of same name. And no, there is Authority team at the moment! They split up already
@@EvandroACruzthey are not going to, unless that's where Waid is going.....
The justice league is not going take over the world. That's not were the book is going stop.
Better keep quiet about super dumps, that will be the next Harley Quinn special
Superman doesn’t go to the toilet, Wes. The guy doesn’t even need to shower, from what I read!
I actually read the book. For those who value story over whether someone tweeted something you didn’t like, it is worth your money, has a great scale and some nice intrigue. If you only read books by people whose politics you agree with, then I guess just keep doing what you’re doing.
Even without waid being a douchebag the book isn’t very good. It’s a bad concept and justice league should not be whoever wants to be in it. Should mean something to be a member.
That's exactly what Wes is doing 😅
@@Neighborhood_spdrmanno, it's a good book. It captures exactly the feeling of the old classic cartoon sbow
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw just not much happens..
@Imantyk I wouldn't say that. There's the reveal that Air Wave, one of the Golden Age forgotten sidekicks from Geoff John's lost children miniseries, is a traitor and mole for the Inferno group, said group conducting terrorist attacks all throughout Earth and blaming it on the JL, Swamp thing (Levi Kamei) just seemingly got burned to death etc.... So NO, you are wrong.
I cannot believe DC didn’t have a Justice League comic for years, my longest unbroken comic run is Justice League, 11 years.
Justice League should be the top selling comic, how on earth can they not make a good Justice League comic when you can fill it with any DC characters that you want, it’s mind boggling.
Oh, but they are. Haven't you been reading it? Then you've already got your answer!
Ultimately the writer makes the book. People love to wack on Alan Moore for Watchmen, but it showed how removing the names and iconic costumes from a couple of mid level heroes doesn’t make the book bad. Why? Because it’s the story told, way more so than the heroes used. That’s why Invincible is successful, though it doesn’t feature a single hero from Marvel or DC.
Don’t get me wrong. It’s cool to have great characters in cool stories, but there is a point where a lack in writing quality and editorial oversight quality simply can‘t be outweighed by the name on the cover.
I have a feeling that the overall quality in writing diminished, all while the amount of books printed increased. That’s a bad development as it may have been the business model to sell ok writing with great established characters, but for that it needs (a) good writers to pull in readers and (b) enough ok writers to better hide the total duds. Once the risk of books being total duds becomes too great, the whole business model falls apart imo.
there are way too many characters in DC now but the artists don't draw the backgrounds or the characters very well. the background should be penciled first, with the characters second. that way the characters look like they are in a place, as opposed to standing out in blurs of color. When you get a big character spread, with the exception of Gary Frank's work on Doomsday Clock (both parts), you get either a blurred background or less detail on any character in the mid ground or background.
Dan Mora is the best artist in DC right now and perhaps all of mainstream comics imo...writing for Superman is great as well.
Sucks for Dan that he's doing great work but stuck with a guy that said he wants the comic industry to burn and told people not to read his stuff.
Wait we have teleporters, spaceships, extra dimensional rays. Why do we have toilets that need cleaning?
Challenge of the Unknown is get disrespect ... wondering how they was treated the Blackhawks
Dude … take a break from mainstream comics man .
Oh right! I completely forgot they died. Was around the time that they were planning to have a Justice League without the main characters in the movies. Anyone else remember that where WB was planning a justice league cinematic universe taped together with whatever they had. Batgirl, Supergirl (since Superman and Batman would have been either killed off or aged into retirement due to the flashpoint), Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman and Mera, Blue Beatle and Harley Quinn.
No, never did
It was a idea the executive had.but was never going to happen regardless
I'm confused Wes, are you reading Justice League Unlimited or not? I have heard your dislike of Mark Waid's views to the point that you are no longer reading his books. But how can you think critically on something you are not actively reading?
You start on about how the JLU team does not work with reformed villains on the team. And you liked the Titans issue with Killer Frost on the Justice League causing conflict in a well told one and done story. Doesn't that show it can work because it is causing conflict in an interesting way? I believe all great superhero teams should have morally grey characters or characters with major differences of opinion on how to help people, save the day, and defeat the bad guys. Isn't this why Jason Aaron's run of TMNT is so awesome (other than the great art) 6 issues in?
Then you mention how several All-In titles are making a number of references to the new unlimited Justice League and the Watchtower as if it is a bad thing. Remember this is DC comics, where they generally have trouble making ongoing titles feel like they are truly in a shared universe. This JLU/Watchtower tie-in is an easy way to make ongoings feel more shared. Do I have to read every issue that is telling a relevant story across the JLU/Watchtower sandbox? Hell no. I know the creators and basic story of the new Question series. I am staying far away and I don't feel like I am missing anything whatsoever. I feel the same way about the Metamorpho series and the Challengers of the Unknown series. Why not give DC credit for trying to appease both the shared universe fans and the fans of specific characters and teams only? Other than the titles I mentioned above, I am reading most of the other titles that supposedly tie into the Justice League. And I really don't see a need to read all of them to understand one ongoing or another.
Can't we just enjoy the fact that:
1. We have an ongoing Justice League series with a competent writer and a competent artist.
2. DC is trying to make it feel like a shared universe.
3. We do not have a major event stopping every ongoing in the line from telling their own story.
4. DC is not twisting your arm to follow every title that talks about JLU.
5. Believe it or not, I can read and clearly understand an ongoing that mentions the JLU without feeling compelled to understand how it relates to the JLU book and the major story that book is trying to tell.
Wes is just salty that Waid, the guy he hates Absolutely, is writing JLU and almost every other book is connected heavily to it
He hates it because of waid that's all he doesn't care.
Justice League The Atom Project also has Ryan Parrott writing so that's probably why it's good. Not to mention some great art work by Mike Perkins.
I enjoyed it
The JL should be much more of an elite team with the main 6 or 7 not changing. You can have some B and C listers on the team but they should be used sparingly. Once you pivot away from the main 7 sales always drop.
You'd think there'd be housekeeping droids, Supes has them at the Fortress of Solitude. A fellow hero on toilet cleaning duty is just wrong, I'd expect that in Brat Pack satire, not JLU.
The way a big team works is by assigning tasks/stories to a subset of the heroes and also by doing the old trick with having side threats building up during a main story. Having 20+ characters within a single threat/challenge is taxing the reader and can make it either boring or distracting. So any huge cast will be condensed to a small cast by a successful writer.
The trick to establish a returning title and make jumping on board easy is to avoid cross reading as much as possible and instead to jump into the action right from the get go. It’s ok to market „here you can find more action with xyz“ marketing at the end of a book, but forcing readers to start three instead of one new series will make them leave rather fast. A series must be self-containing to keep readers engaged, the habit of DC/Marvel to not have important events within the actual series is among the chief reasons I abandon their books.
Definitely need to reel it in and tell a good story without all the extra nonsense
I don’t really think the books are too connected, they’re just connected in a way that makes sense I feel like. I don’t need to know what every reference in a book is, matter of fact sometimes it’s better if I dont
Easy to walk away from! Been steadily dropping DC and the last step is Batman wrapping up this current volume. Gonna save so much money.
I dunno, from what I've read those books that you mentioned aren't "tieing in" to justice league unlimited as in you GOTTA read JLU to understand what's going on, but more like it's simply connected. And I don't believe that the JLU has villians on it, I've only seen killer frost but she was once during DC rebirth
A great movie, or animated movie that would be a big hit (if wrote by someone who can write) would be an X-men vs The Justice League.
Nah. We don't need another hero vs hero story
The team should have been as big as Justice League International, a big team of 15-20, not literally every hero. That’s so dumb.
They want to make sure that no hero will ever get caught off-guard like what happened to them when Waller stole all their powers from them all
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw I understand that there’s a strong in universe explanation. But I don’t think such a big team can be executed as well in the writing. I’ll still check the book out tho
@@klaushenna6778 see my above comment. They don't want to have heroes taken off-guard and have their powers stolen again. And to be MORE coordinated in rescue efforts and protecting the Earth from evil, whether Earth-based (supervillians or villain groups) or space-based, like Darkseid's recent attack on their station.
The team in the JLU cartoon was that.
Anyone have a good place to start for Jonah hex?
Yep, All Star Western the new 52. I wanted to read all the new 52 series and I knew all star western didn't sell well and was eventually cancelled even though it was acclaimed by everyone who read it including reviewers. A great intro into John's hex. You will love it.
I say go back to the 2006 series. So good. Many done-in-one stories. Great guest artists.
Read the Bronze Age original books. Still the better Era of Jonah Hex.
Nope. None
Superman: Challenger's of the Unknown, welcome to the JLA where we fight super villians on a galactic scale.
COTU: Thanks Superman. Who's our first case to bring to justice?
(Superman holds out a toilet brush)
Challenger's: We quit.
Are the writers serious or vindictive? Since we don't want to read their garbage lgbtq romance stories they're going to tell crap (pun intended) toilet cleaning stories?
They are going full Brandon Sanderson. 😂
On the bright side plenty of content for you and Doc.
Mark Waid is just boring. And the timeline doesn't make logical sense.
JU isn't even that connected to anything else unless someone contacts me Terrific or Red Tornado for something.
Bloodlines? - nah
Damage? - nah
Sideways? -nah
Immortal Men - nah
WildCATS? - nah
GEN13? - nah
"Challengers of The Unknown" .... yeah boring stuff, place it right near ghetto annual Milestone, ffs these woke writers can't talk to each other to intertwine stuff?
And with mojority of new human lanterns being black, Milestone characters just don't talk to them... they have a special blackness?) i know i gonna regret it, but where is NAOMI .... they placed big chips on Bendis creation, aka "PowerHouse" and boom she suddenly forgotten and we getting only stories about Dyke+Batwing, do Batfamily getting special side squad? Personaly for me 4 Robins it's already too much, tim must be forgotten
I like Wildcats and Gen 13 in the 90's. I miss the old Wildstorm universe.
@@EvandroACruzand it's gone, destroyed in the Aliens crossover. And the ones we see in the DCU are not the OG but the DC's own native variants!
@ And They never will fit in DCU.
@@EvandroACruz well, the good news is, they are NOWHERE to be seen right now. Neither in current comics or in future Solicitations!
I loved Aquaman by Jeremy Addams but I’m unlikely to go elsewhere cuz of a tie in unless it’s also good
Relax, it's not really tying on as (Spoilers) Aquaman went into what is presumably the Absolute Universe
0:03 It was almost two years.
0:07 It was Justice League 75 (aka Death of the Justice League), not Justice League 50.
0:13 Which started good for the first two issues before it sucked entirely.
0:17 In which Tom Taylor’s Titans run became a retread of the Wolfman/Perez New Teen Titans run, where the first half is a prelude to Beast World while the second half is another evil Raven subplot.
0:32 Like Knight Terrors (which was unnecessary), Beast World (which was good), and Absolute Power (which was great).
0:38 I enjoyed it so far; it’s great.
1:14 Which makes sense because Killer Frost was part of Batman’s Justice League during the Rebirth Justice League of America run.
2:32 They’re scanner cards.
2:42 As shown in the first issue of his series written by Jeremy Adams.
4:28 Same here.
4:46 It really is.
5:07 I enjoyed it so far; it’s great!
7:08 I enjoyed it so far; however, the missed opportunity should’ve shown Ted Kord telling Renee that he’s proud of her for protecting the Question legacy and that he knew the original Question Vic Sage since his Charleston Comics years in the late ‘60s. Also, I assume that future issues would deal with Renee and the rest of the superhero community defeating Cyborg Superman and freeing the superheroes from his control.
7:18 Which is fine because us wanting to see what rooms the new Watchtower has.
7:25 I read it; I enjoyed it so far. Also, it’s two issues into the latest series, unless you’re talking about the previous comics.
8:20 I disagree.
8:25 Same here.
8:40 I don’t think so.
9:25 Agreed.
9:43 Same here.
you had alot to say within just 3 minutes lol
Holy buckets this is how you comment on a video
Wes doesn't really read the comics he 'critics'.
@@johnpage2250 uhh yeah pretty sure he does
@@johnpage2250 lying isnt a good look homie
Too bad. JUSTICE LEAGUE is the most important comic to me. When will we get a great JLcomic again?
Try actually reading it.
@johnpage2250 Ok. I try
It's to big. It's all over the place. And, it operates like a paramilitary organization. Didn't we already see how this mode of operation failed the League in the animated series? I'm getting Orwellian vibes from this book.
No, if anything, they bounced anck from it and said "sorry" in the series finale
It wasn't in the series finale it was the second season. The series finale showed the that the team was a good idea for battling darkseid.
I can't lol🤦♀️
This initiative or rather relaunch had a lot of potential but idk it seems to have lost the way already.
The best talents in writing and drawing work at Editorialed Independientes, I doubt they will change the freedom or good salary to work at Marvel/DC Woke
Uhh Challengers of the Unknown is only on issue 3
Low key don't like this run anyway they are BIGGER than the original JLU - if they this so damn big they don't need any villains to fight with
The potential to be good is big but it's mark waid so probably it's gonna be ass
So, are you reading Mark Waid stuff or not? Either way this is a bad look. You're either lying about boycotting his work, or you are making conclusions about something you didn't read. You do realize that, right?
He'd not. He refuses to touch anything written by Waid and is just making assumptions from news articles he read online
He's doing both. He lying and boycotting it just because it's waid.
Nah, you are not happy that JLU is being by a man that you absolutely hate/despise. And so what if all of these books are interconnected so strongly to the main JLU book?! Isn't that the concept of a shared universe where everyone knows what's happening or up to date or in communication with each other?! Isn't that the concept of the cartoon of the same name?!
He doesn't care. It's not about criticizing comics it's about gatekeeping comics made by people he hates and selling comics he likes or made by people he agrees with.
@johnpage2250 I see..
an ad
woah
From those i pick up JLU + Aquaman + Absolute Batman Superman snd WonderWoman, I wont be buying the Absolute Green Lantern cause I don't like the character I prefer 1 of the OG lanterns and for Absolute Flash so so I hope its cool.
Challengers?
But you know what's so funny is the title that might need some Justice League interference I don't know it's a title call Tom King's Wonder Woman have you noticed how every book is referenced but nobody reference any of the bull crap that Wonder Woman is going through especially when she show up in other books it's like the outlaw event is in its own pocket universe or something. I mean hell she's in the just league unlimited book and she's not even referring to anything that happened in her own book It's baffling. And then I don't like the fact that we're about to get we are yesterday crossover event Why are you doing a justly unlimited title crossover with Batman Superman worlds finest which is a book that's supposed to be taking place in the past It's dumb like we're doing too much You got the challenges on known you got question watchtower all along you got black lightning you got Superman Aquaman and then actually you have that other book too that came out DC comic books on the rise of the power company That's also tied to the Justice League Unlimited series as well and then of course you got Titans It's just ridiculous I'm not saying some of these titles shouldn't affect the other books or reference them but Jesus Christ
Always looking for recommends with JLA.
My JLA hits.
New World Order.
Terror Incognita .
Earth 2.
Omega.
Gatekeeper.
The World's Greatest Super Heroes.
Tower of Babel.
Justice League Cry for Justice.
Justice.
My JLA Misses.
Rock of Ages.
World War III.
American Dreams.
Strength In Numbers.
JLA/JSA Virtue & Vice
Act of God.
Read Justice League: Generation Lost, it’s a story I really enjoyed at the time. It’s really Justice League International, the team is Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Captain Atom, Fire & Ice, and Rocket Red.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- Cool I check that out thanks.
Cry For Justice is awful. Just was made to ruin Green Arrow like a hero.
@@EvandroACruz Well I watched the CW Arrow before I read any Green Arrow. So I used to a Arrow with a body count.
I do archery cross/bow myself. The arrows and bolts are pointy metal. Not exactly a non lethal design?
@@PrivateCitizen84 Green Arrow supposed to be non lethal hero just like Batman. His trick arrows are non lethal usually.
Meh, I say take the win when it happens
People should just read JLA by Morrison
That is the only JL comic worth reading
No it isn't it is the only one you want to read
@dwainpannell8366 Do you have Any recommendations for other JL comics?