DC Comics' Massive Morality Crisis - Fans Can’t Ignore This!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- DC Comics' are suffering through some massive issues with their superheroes. Most notably, their is a morality crisis fans can't ignore. DC Comics superheroes are now backing criminals against the police, and siding with serial killers. Not to mention whatever the hell is going on with Tom King's Wonder Woman series. Wes breaks down three examples of DC Comics superheroes acting like super villains. DC Comics' massive morality crisis, fans can't ignore this!
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Can we also talk about how DC victim blamed male grape victims, like Batman, Nightwing and Green Arrow for getting graped? They celebrate Damian‘s existince like Jesus Christ‘s birth, despite they victim blame Bruce.
When did they do that?
I cheated on my wife in Roblox.
When did something like that happen to Green Arrow?
@@garycannon4644 Black Canary victim blames Ollie in Green Arrow #1 (2001), Batman gets victim blamed in every comic since Morrison‘s run and Nightwing gets victim blamed in Nightwing (1996) #93 and in Nightwing #52.
@@egonnn244 Green Arrow #1 (2001)
Sounds like Hollywood where they basically need consultants on how to be a normal human.
But here's the thing: they don't want to!!!
Literally
Someone on a Facebook group asked who the best assassin in comics was. I immediately responded with "Tom King".
There were no other answers.
Man, you gotta send a link!
This just feeds in to our suspicions we've been already having. Were they've been making heroes act like villains and villains act like heroes.
And you thought Marvel was already doing that, specifically with the X-men comics
These days? This has been going on for decades and not just for DC, the issue when Magneto and other X-Men like Archangel were allowed to slaughter entire cities and skated because they were too cool or the people in the cities were the wrong nationality(Russian) or proven serial killers like Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn because they’re bangably hot
I miss the old sixties Poison Ivy who was more of a femme fatale.
It's kinda like pro wrestling, most characters are looked at by the executive creators and some fans as easily interchanged between good guy or bad guy.
@@earlsmith7428well, that Ivy is GONE and is now just a misunderstood nature activist who is justified in murdering human who pollute and exploit the Earth
seriously though, if we live in reality full of super powered beings and apocalyptic threat, it is more of a cognitive dissonance that much of the population carries on a mundane day to day existence similar to ours.
I mean who would go out to work in Gotham City when every week there is some freak mass unaliver out in the street, and somehow it is the same repeat offenders over and over again. And that's just Gotham City.
There's aliens, cosmic horrors, being from another dimensions etc.
You mean a King comic has twisted morals? I’m shocked, I can scarcely believe it, I don’t think anyone seen that coming. 🙃
I was gearing up to buy Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow and his Penguin solo comic, do you advise against?
@@TMF979ResurgeThere’s no harm trying the first issue to see if you like it, we could have completely different taste in comics. But he’s the one writer in comics that I would never buy.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- That's what my mom says, but I was pondering getting Supergirl Woman of tomorrow just to see what it was like, and if I don't enjoy it, I could always sell it
@@TMF979Resurge I strongly advise against it.
@@TMF979ResurgeOr you could just, you know, read it without paying for it.
It kinda just feels like they're writing about what they think sounds the most politically correct and using these characters and medium as a platform to spread their personal message instead of writing something true to the character and their history. This is pretty damaging to the characters we love and showcases that these guys really have nothing interesting to write about and lack the skill to write from a characters perspective and voice
King is the reason I have such scepticism for Gunn’s new DCU. Gunn has said many times that he loves King’s work, made him a lead writer for the Lantern’s TV show and has plans to adapt his Supergirl series…
And Marvel has Paul running around without any punishment..
That's because Marvel doesn't consider Paul a bad guy nor has he really done anything wrong
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw he created the weapon needed to wipe out all life on his planet.
Just to save his own life.
Not doing anything when you know millions will die is genocide.
Not doing it yourself Just makes you an accomplish.
After ww2 people were Hung for that.
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw sad but true. All he did was still some guys girlfriend. Atrocious yes, but not illegal.
Haven't read a lot of DC comics in years. More recent stories tend to be less black and white and more gray and anti-hero.
Green Arrow was always the guy who would tell you the hard truths with a wry smile. He is the dude who will end you if it saves everyone. He is not the personification of the alt left. Good grief why can they not keep trying to shove comics in the grave.
6:25 Green Arrow was already a personification of the far-left. Whenever he argues with another superhero, there is an 80% chance he'll call them a fascist.
@@aphylorne3021 Go back and read the Mike Grell Green Arrow run. Ollie grew up and became based as fuck!
@@O_G_HELLBOYwhich run regressed him back into that?
@@TMF979Resurge After Mike Grell did The Longbow Hunters he did a monthly from 1988-1994. During the run Ollie grew as a person to where his views evolved due to the things he experienced. I would not describe it as regression. You are just showing your own ignorance by making a statement like that.
@O_G_HELLBOY
In true far left fashion. Labeling all your opponents as "fascists" is progressive.
TMF979Regurgitate didn't get the memo that screeching fascist is played out.
@@1SpicyMeataball Lol. I hear you.
"These places have insurance" - Batman
Doesn't surprise me that Tom King turned Wonder Girls into a Kill Squad. Seems like something he'd do.
That new Green Arrow costume looks a bit silly. Why does it have a mini cape?
Well they didn't killed anybody in fact but Donna,Cassie and Yara become increasilly violents in King run. Without any reason.
@@EvandroACruz A slight exaggeration has been made to better emphasize the point.
He already is. (turning the Wonder girls INTO Diana's personal hit squad of sorts)
Machism. They believe over exaggerated brutality is a toxic male trait.
Seems pretty obvious, to me. These writers HATE these characters and are doing all they can to denigrate and defile them. Because these characters are rooted in "traditional' Judeo-Christian or American values they have to be destroyed. This has been going on since Avengers Disassembled, or earlier.
Yes, the year of 2004 marked the end of traditional superheroes storylines. We have Avengers Disassembled that ruined the Avengers for me and made the Marvel heroes taking a more militaristic aproach in how handle with conflicts. Meanwhile in DC we had Identity Crisis that took the DCU in a more dark and edge place that ended in that awful N52 reboot.
@@EvandroACruz Agreed, absolutely. It seems that many of the current writers view their own narcissism as virtue and seek to impose that on the characters they are writing. Craptain Marvel/Karl Manvers is a classic example of this. Further it was only in the last 20 years or so that radical Leftist Identitarian politics (ie Marxism) really started to infiltrate and pollute comics. Stan Lee, famously and insightfully said that all you need to be a villain is selfishness. In fact, it is the universal quality of villains. Given that metric, every character in comics is now a villain. Aspiration and patriotism are belittled or openly mocked while selfishness and cynicism are virtues. I said many years ago about the Civil War arc that is like watching prison gangs fighting in the yard. You don't care who wins cause they are all scum. That is the sad and self perpetuating state of the industry. I don't think I have bought a new comic in almost 20 years now.
@@EvandroACruz Agreed. I have pointed out elsewhere, and ad nauseum, that the current comic landscape is littered with selfish and narcissistic characters pretending to be heroes, which, I guess, would appeal to their innate narcissism. I can only surmise that these portrayals are mirrors for their creators many of whom (current writers and artists) seem clinically, pathologically, narcissistic. Thus, given this bent, narcissism and selfishness are seen as good things - as virtutes - by these creators and, hence, we see the current plight of the industry...cause normal people don't think that way! Stan Lee said the only quality needed to be a villain is selfishness. That's it. Further this is the universal and unifying quality of all villains, They are ALL selfish and will all choose themselves first. Given this metric, we can see that virtually every charter in current Marvel/DC is, by this definition, a villain. In reference to Civil War, which was my jumping off point from the industry (after my disillusionment with and contempt for Avengers Disassembled caused me to stop collecting my favorite comic book out of sense of holistic betrayal), I pointed out that reading it was like watching a gang fight in a prison yard. There may be spectacle but ultimately you don't care who won as all involved are scum. That is even more true today.
"Write what you know" is the rule that these writers live by
They won't permanently kill any villains because they lack the creativity to replace them, but they also want to keep raising the stakes by making the villains do worse and worse things.
Anyway, I agree with you. Weird things are happening in dc comics recently.
First of all, why is there a common sentiment that all the problems of Gotham are actually Batman’s fault?
If it wasn’t for him the city would have already been destroyed.
Going along with the lack of morals in DC, I’ve noticed the characters all seem to curse a lot more. Sure, we don’t see the actual curse words, but they do that squiggly symbols thing to indicate the cursing. And it’s in a lot of the DC comics now.
Yes King Supergirl was a foul-mouthed drunken jerk.
Doesn't surprise me.
People loved their Deconstruction back in the day,
Watchmen, V For Vendetta, The Ultimates etc.
Even celebrated it.
These Characters being written this way is a direct response to the accolades people gave those titles.
People loved their debauched "heroes" now everyone gets them.
Kingdom Come warned you.
It was at this point that Wes finally understood that the entire comics industry was just producing content to shock and irritate him personally.
No. It's only recently that comics turned out like this in modern times
This has ALWAYS been an issue with DC heroes. Why is Batman still written to be apprehensive in killing the Joker, when he is an irreverent serial killer/terrorist. Batman just seems like a pompous and sanctimonous douche now. Have actual character development where Batman realizes there is no saving the Joker after he crosses a line
I have been noticing this lack or twisted morality for a while in comics. I hate it. They keep trying to justify the villains and make police out to be useless losers. I have to ask some of these writers "Who's side are you on here?"
Agreed. This entire thing's been prevalent in much of fiction involving heroes,whether it be superheroes, fantasy, or science fiction. I absolutely hate it.
The villains, of course
I was always a Marvel guy and even over there, I've hated the downward spiral Grant Morrison started the X-Men on for the last two decades. Everything about "Xavier is actually an asshole and basically a villain" started with him. He introduced the whole "Magneto was right" slogan where Marvel has started pushing Cyclops towards Magneto's ideology and constantly tearing down Xavier.
They'll go on and on about the X-Men being a civil rights metaphor while simultaneously promoting stories where the mutants segregate and position themselves as superior rulers of the planet with humanity either subjugated or deserving extermination and still claim that's a story that makes the X-Men good guys. So if we're supposed to take media as commentary, what are they saying?
It sometimes comes across eerily like they think there SHOULD be a race war.
Get Mike Grell as editor for Green Arrow and Chuck Dixon as editor for the Bat titles. That would be a good start to fixing these books.
Mike Grell turned Green Arrow in a killer. So no.
@@EvandroACruz are you talking about "The Longbow Killers" run? I have heard about it but havent read it.
Sadly it is too late for that now. They won't be getting Chuck Dixon back he works for rippaverse now and he does his own independent projects on the side, they burned that bridge.
@@Naglfar94 Also, there is a movie called Working Man with Jason Statham coming out. It's based on a series of novels by Chuck Dixon! We can always dream though...
@@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 After Mike Grell did The Longbow Hunters he did a monthly Green Arrow book from 1988-1994. Find them. Read them!
Morality Crisis on Infinite Earths
"Modern audiences" only watch shows and movies but do not understand the concept of superheroes.
Deadpool for instance, is a literal assassin who gets paid to kill people, yet people consider him to be a superhero like Spider-Man just because he makes jokes.
They don't have any issues with morals, they know exactly what they're doing and don't deserve sympathy or compassion.
We need the Spectre to come back and go positively Old Testament on some of these villains.
@@Sousabird Written by John Ostrander!
OG ditko "the question">
No, the Spectre proved be very bad in some of his judgments
@EvandroACruz I found one!
*Points at Evan*
@@EvandroACruzWho did you vote for?
Why is this surprising?
Batmans not allowed to delete serial deleters, like the Joker. It's all the same idiotic mentality
Putting Tom Cringe and morality in the same sentence in like putting chocolate and meatloaf in the same sentence
naw, it totally checks out with the proper phrasing
I'm having meatloaf followed a chocolate cake.
Tom King has a truly warped and twisted morality.
@ that’s a pretty smart way of phrasing it , you made chocolate & meatloaf happen in the same sentence, I tip my hat to you sir and your masterful wordsmith
@ eh, glad you're a good sport about it, even if I made a typo in the comment.
Just counting the days till Tom King gets cancelled for something sketchy he's likely done.
I can believe Green Arrow being a whiny loser with twisted morals. That's pretty in character.
I do wish the cops would actually be allowed to give a rebuttal. Or if the cop even just turned to her and said "That kind of unstable personality is exactly why we don't work with his kind." Then leave her in silence, wondering if it's worth it to keep a connection with Green Arrow
I mean, from the same people that decided to make an alternate of Bruce's dad turn full villain because "muh son"?
Makes sense to me
You mean Flashpoint Batman where Thomas becomes a gun toting Batman?
It works for a one off elseworld version. People love Punisher and that's his whole origin story with Frank losing his family. Thomas suffers the same once his wife has her psychotic break from the whole thing, so it's a fairly standard story trope they just played with "What if Thomas went Punisher route as Batman?" that hadn't been explored prior to that story.
But the real reason I'd argue it worked there is that it's still not actually about Thomas, but a story about Bruce and showing how he's stayed true to his commitment and ideals believing in the justice system rather than appointing himself as said system where other men, even his father, would break under similar circumstances. It was a good way to make a story not about Bruce still emphasize why Bruce *is* Batman and nobody else.
But that's more of Thomas being an anti-hero, not a full villain, so I may not be aware of the story you're referring to.
I think what the Green Arrow moment was going for was that she didn’t deserve to have her life taken from her by the cancer from the tainted water. The soul situation is abysmally sad. I think it’s poorly displayed in the book, but Ollie’s anger reads as coming from the whole situation itself leading to such a messed up end.
Female DC fan here, I hope some day heroes can actually be heroes again. Feels like I'm in the damn twilight zone 😔
This is what happens when studios support popularity over storytelling. I'm not against Harley Quinn being the alleged "4th Pillar" (I mean I am but women need something too I guess) but why does the 4th pillar have to be a codependent serial killer? It doesn't make any sense? Are you telling me the best we can do for an empowering female character is a literal goofy girl?
HQ sucks as an "antihero" even more as a """hero"""" Trying to put in the Batfamily was the most moronic thing they do!
And all it's much worse in Injustice! And they havd the balls to say Batman is the most priviliged priviliged character of DC
Yes. That is what they are telling us
I hate to tell you that fits the Green Arrow since the days of Neal Adams and Danny Oneil run with Green Arrow and Green Lantern. it fits. Since the woman killed the person who gave her cancer through the water. Green Arrow would goes against the company and big brother.
Yep. That the bleeding heart GA that’s been around for over 50 years.
For those of us old enough to remember Green Arrow literally crying because people were using plastic Christmas trees, this is par for the course.
Wonder Woman killing monsters/demons is one thing but killing Maxwell Lord was out of character and that event I blame the writers for not getting Diana right. WW would have sought help freeing Superman from Lord’s control by using a magical hero or a deity to resolve the main problem. The infinite crisis event was just horrible for WW because writers still give Diana the shaft! King on the other hand is just plain awful.
Yes. I never liked of the character anymore after this. I felt that Diana never was more well written in the right way after Max Lord incident. The N52 turned her into a Xena copycat basically. I hate it.
True. I hated that and made me no longer have a crush on WW since then
I'm really tired of writers putting themselves into the characters instead of just writing the characters the way they've always been
That's because these are not writers but activists or people who think they know better
Exactly
It appears Tom King has been angling for a spot in woke Hollywood as a script writer. "Tom King's Wonder Woman: Only on CW Network". Directed by Lesyle Headland.
Given that James Gunn is a fan of his work, got King a spot writing for the upcoming “lanterns” show, and is adapting King’ awful Supergirl run, I guess that dream is becoming reality. Congratulations King I guess you can do anything as long as you have passion (and your mom is a former WB executive…)
If you think that’s bad, Do Not check out Erik Larson’s Savage Dragon. That guy has certainly gone off the rail’s😅
I want to see Nightwing make mistakes and show the complexities of a vigilante. He would solve the problem, but not before making the situation worse go through some soul searching about is he doing the right thing.
For the Wonder Woman thing, this should make Wonder Woman step in and the government to step in against that type of behavior. It should be a chance to have Wonder Woman and the government to agree the definition of a hero.
It's strange to me that 8 years later we are still surprised that these heroes are written like villains.
Try 15/20 years later
I want thinking critical as the new editor-in- chief of dc.
I second that.
No no, he needs to be Chief Creative Officer
Is he a student of ditkoism
That will never happen. Wes lives in the Philippines and DC only hired people living in the US of A
@@jech1216no
I’ve quit comics. Started reading in the 60’s. Now I just buy old issues on eBay and collect Omnibus books. And the occasional comic convention.
You may be old, but it's never too late to start reading manga. They're not all cutesy and annoying and braindead like people make it out to be
Attack on Titan
Berserk
Vagabond
One Punch Man
Akira
Fist of the North Star
And if you actually like it, you can graduate to some of the more crazy stuff like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and Chainsaw Man.
Manga character designs can look incredibly gay, and I totally get why older comic fans wouldn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole. But I assure you, these stories can be incredibly based, they were made for a male audience, they often celebrate and emphasize the positive aspects of masculinity, they encourage and uplift you to take responsibility and be a better person, there's no victim mentality bs, and heroes are heroic
Good for you👌. And stick to Indies
I dropped Nightwing after six issues of Tom Taylor, and then with this series, three issues after Nightwing gave "beepers" to criminals.
More "defund the police" bullshit. And after this most current issue of Green Arrow, I think I will be giving that book the boot also.
I will not support amoral, lefties writing my iconic comic book characters.
i plan my own comic book because i am sick of Current DC and Marvel Bullcrap broo
They need to put people who have good heart to write heroes, because the only thing i see is a bunch of costumed corrupted people without any morality traits, super heroic traits
Basically The Boys in all but name
Honestly was never a Wonder woman fan. Never liked how inconsistent she is, but after all the depraved, terrible, and stupid things Tom King has done with this character, I can't stand her anymore.
The same to me. DC never know what do with her.
They unconsciously show that a woman with Wonder Woman's abilities and powers would never be a morally positive heroine, she could even become a villain in the blink of an eye or if she is in those days.
Then read the Absolute version. That WW is a far better version
@@remoteromance6256that's what they did with all the other Elseworlds versions! (DC vs vampires, Earth-2, Earth-3, Dark knight returns, DEAD earth, Kingdom come, Injustice, etc.....)
Sadly, After Perez's run, the character was very hit and miss, and as time moved on, each writer has tried to change her to whatever they think she should be and in the process watered her down so much that she's just Generic at this point
Thank God for independent comics.
Buy back issues.
"Fans can't ignore this..."
Yes, yes we can. We've bedn ignoring books for years for sake of sanity. On the Marvel side what Spiderman fan can stay sane seeing the atrocities written? The only option is to ignore.
When you don't have any personal morals, you can't write positive moral characters.
I was amused with the catch and release policy of the Super Friends allowing the entire Legion of Doom to escape every Saturday morning. Made no sense to me as a child. Current comics reversed moral compass makes no sense now. I will stick to my superhero collectibles and make up my own head canons where we seek truth, justice, the American Way, and peace for all mankind. Batman proved you can tell a villain's hideout by the Dutch angle of the camera.
Did DC ever explain why Ollie Queen went far right and sided with Amanda Waller? I stopped reading that series after he said that.
Basically some mind-f*** lobotomy studded by Martian manhunter so that he can get close to Waller without being found out
In absolute power, it was show that to be able to be a spy, he had to go through a lot of barriers of bellerive, such as mind readers. So he had not to only convince Amanda that he believe in her way, but he also had to convince himself. He had a deal with Martian manhunter to undo that self hypnosis when the time come, but mm lost his power so that time came very late. Absolute power overall was not good, and while the idea of the green arrow spy self hypnosis trick is neat on concept, it was executed poorly and it still was one of the best part of that serie I now wish I never read.
The Heroes have become Villains and the writers with zero morals doesn't even realise it.
It's like Watchmen all over again.
That's because they don't want to realise it!!
This is not shocking. Writers with no morals in characters they don’t know the history of and making them do morally questionable things
Steve ditko was right
@@jech1216in what??
Something like this happened in the MCU Capt. America(Falcom) and Bucky. They were sympathetic to a terrorist who grenaded innocent civilians. It's disturbing, really disturbing.
Wes: "Tom King-"
*"Awe sh*t. Here we go again.."*
Dropped Green Arrow after reading that issue. Almost seemed like the sentiment people were giving to the turd with unibrow in New York.
King: Smokin some crack and make a comic😂
Green Arrow is canonically a Democrat. So... Yeah, legitimately IN character. You have failed Hollywood 'writers' who get their information from the Democrat party to tell these stories, but Hollywood which has always been filled with the less than intelligent, has never had any concept of nuance. This is not a surprise that it's they don't have an understanding of the real world.
When people start to relativize morality in comics this became a problem. But DC still have writers like Mark Waid that knows how to make heroes being heroes yet. Tom King is the problem, this guy don't know how heroism works in DCU. Batman can be a dark and brooding guy but he one of most moral and noble heroes in DCU. In other hand in Marvel universe is completely hopeless now. Every X-Men is a killer in these days and we have heroes like Captain America don't giving a shit about this because modern writers believe that even Steve Rogers don't care if facists are being killed in the most brutal ways possible. And even Spider-man is a quitter now. DCU still can be fixed but Marvel is a huge shit hole beyond to salvation now.
Mark is a terrible human being. Good comics or not, he is a terrible man on social media and I won't buy or read anything with his name on it
@@tayojones9460 Yes,he are. I don't deny this. But he still can make a good superhero comic more than any modern comic book hack that don't even believe in morality or heroism in first place.
No. Not every X-men is a killer. You should word your words carefully. Some mutants have completely harmless abilities/Powers that cannot even harm a fly
@@tayojones9460then you are missing out on great stories from that man
It’s called hyperbole.
The problem is that the xmen comics are forgiving characters for violence and murder.
You ever ‘exploded with rage’? How are you still here?
Toxic Misandry is the norm for the big two nowadays.
Current Nightwing run is lame. The Taylor run was really dull by the end, but at least it had a strong start. I miss Chuck Dixon...
The guy is now on Rippaverse and not coming back
Yes, you are right, Wes. I'm noticing this (rather) disturbing trend of DC's heroes (SOME of them, besides the ones you pointed out in this video) seemingly acting un-heroic in some places
It does seem like comics, just keeps wanting to repeat the same issues over and over again.
For it like context doesn't matter or any sort of logical sense. they make up their mind on who going to be the bad guy for this story. Then just have the heroes be shock and in awe when a character does something that makes sense. The end result is heroes just look stupid, due to seeming like they can't understand context. While failing to paint x as a villain, due to writers failing to understand how their writing would come off to others.
Or making heroes the bad guys here
Fire Fighter: "Who are we to undermine the hard work of accomplished arsonists?"
What you expect ? If the writers doesn’t understand morality then you think their stories will have characters that do? They live in this post modern mindset with moral relativism. They also think that if you are bad then you can basically do whatever to that person because it’s justified. Where as in the past the hero would need to catch them in the act as well as show compassion and try to help the villain.
Moral relativism ruined superhero comics.
Well, that's all OLD fashioned and in the past. It's now permissible to maim or even kill bad guys/villains on the spot, ala Punisher style
Morallity problems in DC? Try the comic industry as a whole!
No one writes good villains anymore. I think it is because modern writers don’t want to label evil as evil as maybe don’t understand morality maybe? Is strange. 😢😢😢
They are writing villains as misunderstood victims
‘Good villains are ones you can relate to’
Except you need a decent moral foundation to be able to relate to them and say ‘and that’s where they went wrong’ rather than ‘and that’s where everyone else failed them’
@nonope1715 alas, the latter is the one most writers today "Relate" to!
The modern age of comics is awful.
Yep. Ninety-nine percent of 'em suck.
Sadly yes
Also on the art front…..when did Cassie Sandsmark become a member of the flat chest club?
Prediction: Cassie Sandsmark comes out as trans. Either MTF or FTM
Of curse, MTF is going to make the love scene with Connor Kent (Super Boy),
awkward.😁😁😁
No. That is just how she's drawn on that page
After Injustice with Harley Quinn do you think they can be more hypocrites?
They can, apparently. And you forgot WW killing Maxwell Lord
How about when Wonder Woman killed Max Lord? Now that was morally questionable. Anyone still remember that from 20 years ago?
I do. And I hated that as it made me no like WW. However, Lord came back to life since then (BlackestNight, Flashpoint/New 52 reboot)
Maxwell lord had absolute control over superman and wouldn't relinquish it. It was kill him or have a superman doing a villians bidding. A far cry from regular murder.
same thing w marvel. they made thanos symapthetic for the mcu
Marvel pushing Daken as a gay Asian hero. This character murdered and raped countless people but everyone acts like it's cool the Krakoa shit said all mutant sin are forgiven. This dude never apologized, never had a hero arc, any kind of development or change other than the writers needed Iceman to have a dude to crush on.
Daken was a rapist? I don't remember of this.
Daken is one of the worst characters ever created.
@DeadpoolNegative i liked him as a younger more irredeemable version of Wolverine. And when fighting Logan he would have a slight edge being his son but now they want him to be the gay Dick Grayson of the Wolverine family and its stupid.
@ Wolverine Origin is such a terrible series that it’s a ballast around the character’s neck. Even as a nasty villain he just didn’t work.
True. That was what made me not liking Krakoa era as a result as all evil mutant who did atrocities and other despicable things, are forgiven wholesale, except for Sabretooth
I never write negative comic reviews bc these days they all point to the same thing; they're done bad on purpose to get a reaction out of readers, a sadly common trend nowadays amongst all writers,filmmakers, etc. Nowadays it's almost like being negative about everything is healthy. I wish it could change but we can only do that by not being attentive to them at all. Sorry about this comment, I'm just saying this bc no one else has.
I blame Dan Didio for ALL of this.
He's not here in DC, so you CAN'T blame him for that!
Despite your misgivings about green arrow and nightwing, I'm having a blast reading them each month. In my opinion, green arrow isn't supporting a serial killer. He's supporting her right for due process. When green arrow facetiously extends his arms to the female officer, he's making a point that there's two tiered justice system. I mean could you ever see green arrow voluntarily getting handcuff and thrown under the jail?? It'll cause an uproar in the public square and the justice league will in turn get sucked into this mess. Green Arrow has been so amazing. The writing, the art, the black canary appearance. Its just chefs kiss.
How was her due process not afforded? She died in custody through no fault of the police.
6:10 to answer that question, I think it's heavily implied this lady couldn't have been the killer because of her medical conditions. The even ends with a reveal that the real killer found who Ollie was.
Reminds me of Wonder Girl and Super Girl attacking Air Force One during Amazon's Attack.
Me too. Though in Supergirl's case, she was deceived into doing it
I don't know what happened in the later issues, but Angle Man was part of the crew that attacked Wonder Woman.
Kinda wishing for the Comics code to be revived.
Unfortunately That's LONG GONE.....
its like they employed Marvel Editors
More like Marvel WRITERS....... 🙄
Modern Audience Green Arrow: "The serial killer didn't deserve to die like this!"
Marshall Tommy Lee Jones: "I don't care!"
Great video, Wes.
Damn you! I am the goat!
You are the worst writer of this generation. You suck pal. No offense.
I have a love/hate relationship with Wonder Woman, especially with the Tom King run. I'm not a huge Tom King fan. He starts off strong and then ends with a whimper most of the time. But I do love Daniel Sampere's art. Only two more issues! (And then I'm dropping the title).
I dropped Green Arrow and Nightwing months ago.
I've been buying more facsimile editions from the pre-Crisis era than anything.
This is like Captain Falcon defending a terrorist. I don't know what is with these writers nowadays.
And the Worst Comic Book Writer of All Award goes to..... Chuck Austen... still the champ after all of these years!
Why? What did he DO?
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw His style was more along the lines of the "Hot Trash" angles from the Jerry Springer Show of the 1990s and early aughts. His writing featured these triangle love affairs coming out of left field, a lot of sexual innuendo and an over the top type of provocative style that completely backfired on him. The titles rarely focused on the heroes fighting a villain as that was too fan-boy eque for him to write.
But, during the period of 2002-2003 both Marvel and DC gave him the keys to the kingdom on some of their top books. Marvel gave him Uncanny X-Men, Avengers, War Machine and The Call after Bruce Jones left that title. DC gave him Action Comics and JLA. His writing was just bad and after like 6-8 issues per title, he was asked to leave. Ironically enough, he wound up doing a semi-porn independent comic in the mid 2000s where he satirically fired himself.... and then he was actually fired from that title as well. Feel free to check him out yourself. There are numerous UA-cam videos on him- just type Chuck Austen Comic Book Writer UA-cam on Google.
Why the Wondergirls are attacking people: Wonder Woman is the GodMother. She is sending her young mentees to systematically take apart the Sovereign's associates, assets and affiliates to avenge Steve Trevor's death. And, Angle Man, Giganta and the like are the Sovereign's associates, though they are not explicitly introduced as such. But hey, that's Tom King's writing. We're supposed to figure this stuff out for ourselves. So, that's why they're being attacked. Eventually, (the GodMother) will get to the Sovereign for her revenge.
One other way of looking at Green Arrow and I could be wrong about this. Ollie is forever looking for a cause or reason to fight. The serial killer was caught. He was after bigger game now and with her dead, he couldn’t really go after what he saw as a bigger threat: that a company was poisoning its customers knowingly. He saw this company as the reason for her actions, which is flawed but as the cop said, not entirely wrong either.
I leafed through the Green Arrow book yesterday … kept turning pages and GA appears like in two pages towards the end. I put it back immediately.
Tom King, that fukken guy enjoys destroying continuity and superheroes’ dignity and morals.
Tom king didn't write GA. Chris Condon did!
@ I know. I’m commenting on both what I saw in the GA book and what a shit TK is. Separate things.
@ComicsForLife2023 oh, sorry...
Is the Green Arrow story somehow a justification for Luigi Mangione?
Well, awful moral values are the main reason why the entertainment industry has been in decline since 2016. Out of fear, executives hire evil and untalented people who emotionally blackmail them, these individuals project themselves as characters in the works and ultimately destroy or replace the characters that came before. I remember that after I went to see "The Last Jedi" with my brother, we were walking across a bridge on our way home and reflecting on how we had already been spoiled about Jake's death and the ridiculousness of what happened with Snoke. We didn’t really care about the film and only watched it out of curiosity, but what struck us was the dumb humor and how morally broken it was. It could be summed up by saying: "The villains were evil, stupid, and self-defeating, and the "good guys" were also evil, stupid, and self-defeating." This says a lot about the mindset of these writers who want to sell us evil as good and good as something that must be eradicated.
Green Arrow's always hated the police.....
No. In your Gold and Silver Agedays he always supported the police.
@@EvandroACruzthat was pre-Crisis version. This is the current day modern far-left version
Personally, from the current Wonder Woman run I would only save the art
How old is this version of Cassie Sandsmark supposed to be? She appears bizarrely flat chested. There has been no shortage of absurdly buxom heroines over the decades but this seems like an extreme in the other direction.
Green Arrow, who since the Mike Grell era has frequently inflicted grievous injuries after giving up the trick arrows, is lecturing about due process. dude, you're a masked vigilante. I'm reminded of the obnoxious scene in 'Injustice' where Catwoman, a violent career felon, lectures the President about failing to impose gun control on the nation. Somebody who given people good reason to shoot at her wants gun control? Gosharootie, Selina, isn't that a bit self-serving. We getting whip control too?
Furry with a gun? It was a good shoot. I don't need any more details.
I think the DC contributors suspect the plug may be pulled any time now and they just don't care anymore. If they do away with monthly floppies and just do 'events' to appear first as quarterlies and then TPBs, the company needs far less talent on a day to day basis. A few big names who consistently deliver will let them keep the characters 'alive' enough for whatever movie or TV use is next.
DC is a mess
Marvel is worse. No kidding.
So is Marvel and far worse
Wow, better I'm gonna keep the memories instead of search about Marvel comics now.
When you put activism at the forefront and throw heroism out the window, this is the crap you get.
Sounds like a job for Orkinman.
Wes, I just picked up Jeremy Adam’s Flash Gordon #0-5 from my lcs on your recommendation…can’t wait to jump in! Thanks always!