To be honest most modern cpu's will run all these simulators flawlessly, also these results shows that there is significant gpu bottleneck. However it would be interesting if you guys could test in VR as i heard that its significantly more demanding from cpu and its very important to keep 90fps or so at all times (unlike traditional pancake mode), might be interesting to revisit it again from that point. Great video none the less :)
@@boostedmedia Please do... this will be awesome info... I am running i9 10900k and Varjo, I'm interested to know if upgrading to 12th Gen for boost in performance.
The amount of work that you obviously do in the background is mind boggling. So just a huge thank you for doing the hard work so we don't have to. Legend dude 🍻
Thanks for this, its great that you do help people out on all aspects of sim racing and that is why you guys are the best out there so keep it up ma man!
I race in vr with a Reverb G2, and I had all kinds of microstutter and tracking issues on my amd 5600x/3070 system. I eventually sold it and did a bit of a sidegrade to a 12900/3070ti system. Runs the G2 so much smoother in AC, iRacing, DR2.0 and AMS2 (ACC is still a mess though). Very happy with the change, those 1% lows are super important for vr.
Everyone agreed years ago that Intel is best for iRacing and sim gj man. I also only VR but it's killing me as a streamer... Just no easy support... Sad. I kinda wanna go to screen.
Cheers Will. Very informative as usual and in my case a wallet relief . I'm only running a single 4K 60Hz (TV) for sim racing with an average rig in front of it as well as a single 1440p 144Hz desktop monitor. So I'm happy enough with my z370 based i7 8700k (still) and an RTX 3070 OC. Outstanding content mate.
Thanks and great that you are benchmarking simracing titles (rare and very necessary) but an AMD 59XX should really be included in that comparison aswell. Doesn't matter what theoretical tech Intel are pulling if AMD's extra cores have the same effect on 1% lows. And maybe some YT chapters for such a long talk
What about VR? That's where performance really matters in simracing. The only benchmark I care about in simracing is that first lap or so where there are loads of cars.
I have an i9-10850KA and an RTX-3090……runs amazing but always want more, lol. I like these non-driving resource videos. Are you on Win 11? If so, do you recommend it?
Loving my 12700k I picked up for 300 USD. Almost clean trade for my 10900k and hits 830 in CPU-Z single core which blows away 10th gen. AC and iRacing are very stable at 120hz in my Pimax 5k+ with very high settings (paired with a 3080 Ti). Running it at all core 5.1 with e-cores disabled and ring at 4.6, 4000mhz DDR4.
@@hairynippleful 12th gen is a good deal overall. If you can get a 12700k for around 300 that's a steal. No real benefit from the i9 for gaming and also beats out any of the AMD stuff in pretty much everything. The i5 is actually the sweet spot for most people right now.
I got 3070/i510600k cl16 ddr4 gskill gigabyte vision board and card and Oculus rift CV1. Maxed out no problems unless 45 cars on grid max settings I get some fps drop for sure. But since these sim racing doesn't fully support VR imo I may go to screen this is ridiculous!!! It should be plug and play not 5+ third party apps to look at my twitch chat or an overlay to see what place I'm in lmao...
Have been looking forward to this kind of video, thinking of upgrading my PC for my rig and it would be even better if you could do a video on which GPU is the best value for money, etc. A 12th gen i7-12700k with ddr5 ram would be my base setup for the new PC but I am currently torn between the 3060ti and 3070ti for my GPU.
Hey guys! First of all, congratulations for this amazing review! You are incredible and really clear to explain everything! I am about to get a PC with I7 12700F / RTX 3080 12GB / 32GB RAM / 1TB SSD. I also have a Quest 2. It is good enough with iRacing, ACC and etc? Thanks!
Will be more than enough. Funny though I went to the spec section of iRacing yesterday, and my 13700K wasn't recognized. I was hesitant to try to purchase before confirming they will accept it.
Woof, I’m an old dude… Don’t know anything about computers. Several years ago I had surgery that laid me up, my wife thought a Xbox and steering wheel would keep my entertained. More than entertainment, I got hooked of the driving thing. Was thinking about upgrading but man I don’t understand one thing you’ve said haha … is understanding all this essential to having a PC game set up?
just a random thought, but most mid - high tier graphics cards should support 4 monitors, I know my GTX 1080 works with 4 monitors with 0 issues, so I believe that most if not all newer cards should be able to handle 4 monitors as long as you have the graphics processing power to spare in terms of being able to still get a decent framerate while also driving the extra monitors
It just depends on the card. Many only allow 3 simultaneous outputs despite having more than 3 ports. So it’s just something to be aware of. People shouldn’t just assume 4 ports = 4 monitors.
Honestly there’s not a whole lot of advantage to.overclocking 12th Gen. just let your motherboard’s auto overclock handle it, then add a negative voltage offset.
a single generation jump is never worth it when you look at equal steps on the ladder, but if you were on 3rd gen intel or god forbid am3. then anything will seem better, imo i dont upgrade cpu, by then its a whole new pc because for ma its almost 7/8 years if you get a flagship. GPU is every other generation for me.... or was
First off I love the channel and stoked for the information however I have to politely disagree. The 5800x is the spot to be in. Uses less total power and just as good as 12th Gen Intel. Truthfully new gen AMD cpus are about to drop making the 5000 range cpus more affordable going forward
To be honest most modern cpu's will run all these simulators flawlessly, also these results shows that there is significant gpu bottleneck. However it would be interesting if you guys could test in VR as i heard that its significantly more demanding from cpu and its very important to keep 90fps or so at all times (unlike traditional pancake mode), might be interesting to revisit it again from that point. Great video none the less :)
Would like to see VR inclusion in tests, since its, you know, sim racing stuff :)
I thought about it, but hard to account. For all the various resolutions. I might do a seperate video.
@@boostedmedia I understand. I think mostly people are interested in those real life scenarios, like Running G2 maxed at iRacing for example
@@boostedmedia Please do... this will be awesome info... I am running i9 10900k and Varjo, I'm interested to know if upgrading to 12th Gen for boost in performance.
@@boostedmedia I'd love to see this as well. Im currently running a 9700k with my G2 . Would love to see if its worth it to finally upgrade.
@@Jok3sta how’s the G2 with 9700k? Which headset? I’m on a 9700F with Rift-S
The amount of work that you obviously do in the background is mind boggling. So just a huge thank you for doing the hard work so we don't have to. Legend dude 🍻
This is fantastic content, i am looking everywhere!
The quality of content You provided is just 10+. Thanks! 👌
Great vid mate, just 12th i9 in an Alienware R13 setup with an rtx 3080.
Runs every sim at max settings except for iracing which is strange.
Great Vid as usual!
Wow that first clip of Suzuka in the wet at night is INCREDIBLE. ACC have really nailed the graphics at night
Thanks for this, its great that you do help people out on all aspects of sim racing and that is why you guys are the best out there so keep it up ma man!
Just ordered the 12700k for 350 going to replace my 5600x for my VR rig. Sim racing. That’s all I can say. Looking for any boost I can get.
I race in vr with a Reverb G2, and I had all kinds of microstutter and tracking issues on my amd 5600x/3070 system. I eventually sold it and did a bit of a sidegrade to a 12900/3070ti system. Runs the G2 so much smoother in AC, iRacing, DR2.0 and AMS2 (ACC is still a mess though). Very happy with the change, those 1% lows are super important for vr.
Everyone agreed years ago that Intel is best for iRacing and sim gj man. I also only VR but it's killing me as a streamer... Just no easy support... Sad. I kinda wanna go to screen.
Would love to see a test with 30+ AI cars in AC in addition to VR test, that were mentioned already.
Would it be possible (or worth it) to look at frame draw times, rather than 1% low or 0.1% low?
thanks for rig review!
will you run graphic application and other games other than this sim racing machine? as you usually set the PC nearby the cockpit....
Cheers Will. Very informative as usual and in my case a wallet relief . I'm only running a single 4K 60Hz (TV) for sim racing with an average rig in front of it as well as a single 1440p 144Hz desktop monitor. So I'm happy enough with my z370 based i7 8700k (still) and an RTX 3070 OC. Outstanding content mate.
Definitely try to overclock your 8700k if you haven't, my 8600k has been doing 5.0Ghz all core since I bought it used early 2020.
Thanks and great that you are benchmarking simracing titles (rare and very necessary) but an AMD 59XX should really be included in that comparison aswell. Doesn't matter what theoretical tech Intel are pulling if AMD's extra cores have the same effect on 1% lows.
And maybe some YT chapters for such a long talk
We don’t have access to every CPU. Best to check Gamers Nexus for a wider comparison of benchmarks.
True, intel cpus uses way more power compared to amd ones.
I have a 5900x & 2080Ti that I only do ACC in VR with while also streaming to UA-cam with one PC. I’ll do separate post with the details.
I have a 9700k running at 4.9 GHz and I’m heavily cpu limited in acc in vr with a 3080.
What about VR? That's where performance really matters in simracing. The only benchmark I care about in simracing is that first lap or so where there are loads of cars.
I7 12700k is great for VR
No Raceroom comparison? Really keen to know how thread director helps with DX9 bottlenecks.
I have an i9-10850KA and an RTX-3090……runs amazing but always want more, lol. I like these non-driving resource videos. Are you on Win 11? If so, do you recommend it?
Loving my 12700k I picked up for 300 USD. Almost clean trade for my 10900k and hits 830 in CPU-Z single core which blows away 10th gen. AC and iRacing are very stable at 120hz in my Pimax 5k+ with very high settings (paired with a 3080 Ti). Running it at all core 5.1 with e-cores disabled and ring at 4.6, 4000mhz DDR4.
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@@hairynippleful 12th gen is a good deal overall. If you can get a 12700k for around 300 that's a steal. No real benefit from the i9 for gaming and also beats out any of the AMD stuff in pretty much everything. The i5 is actually the sweet spot for most people right now.
I got 3070/i510600k cl16 ddr4 gskill gigabyte vision board and card and Oculus rift CV1.
Maxed out no problems unless 45 cars on grid max settings I get some fps drop for sure.
But since these sim racing doesn't fully support VR imo I may go to screen this is ridiculous!!! It should be plug and play not 5+ third party apps to look at my twitch chat or an overlay to see what place I'm in lmao...
Hi what the best cooler for i7-12700k
Without any Problems from the heat of the processor even after the pressure
Have been looking forward to this kind of video, thinking of upgrading my PC for my rig and it would be even better if you could do a video on which GPU is the best value for money, etc. A 12th gen i7-12700k with ddr5 ram would be my base setup for the new PC but I am currently torn between the 3060ti and 3070ti for my GPU.
Why ddr5?
Damn this would be fun to try out.
Hey guys! First of all, congratulations for this amazing review! You are incredible and really clear to explain everything! I am about to get a PC with I7 12700F / RTX 3080 12GB / 32GB RAM / 1TB SSD. I also have a Quest 2. It is good enough with iRacing, ACC and etc? Thanks!
Will be more than enough. Funny though I went to the spec section of iRacing yesterday, and my 13700K wasn't recognized. I was hesitant to try to purchase before confirming they will accept it.
Do you think a i5-4670 to 12500k a cool jump ?
That's a dream setup 👀
Scorptec with that Australian markup.
Will, it is very hard to read the list at 4 minutes (on my phone)
Woof, I’m an old dude… Don’t know anything about computers. Several years ago I had surgery that laid me up, my wife thought a Xbox and steering wheel would keep my entertained. More than entertainment, I got hooked of the driving thing. Was thinking about upgrading but man I don’t understand one thing you’ve said haha … is understanding all this essential to having a PC game set up?
No. You don’t need to worry about any of this stuff :)
Does anybody have any experience with embedded CEF systems and how you can make them enable hardware acceleration when they have it disabled
This makes me wanna fire up Assetto and rip round Nordchliffe...
Nordshleef?
Nord shelf.
This makes me want to play Skyrim.
just a random thought, but most mid - high tier graphics cards should support 4 monitors, I know my GTX 1080 works with 4 monitors with 0 issues, so I believe that most if not all newer cards should be able to handle 4 monitors as long as you have the graphics processing power to spare in terms of being able to still get a decent framerate while also driving the extra monitors
It just depends on the card. Many only allow 3 simultaneous outputs despite having more than 3 ports. So it’s just something to be aware of. People shouldn’t just assume 4 ports = 4 monitors.
Should plug fellow Aussies Steve and Tim @Hardware Unboxed for hardware reviews.
I’ll be unpacking my 12900k with 3080ti tonight.. happy days hope I’ll get 120fps on my valve index with everything maxed out 🤞🏼
Did you hit 120FPS with it maxed?
@@nickprizant787 that mostly depends on the track, car type and amount of cars. Hopefully the openXR support will fix that 🤞🏼
Please bro.. 12900k overclock guid .. no one out there did it in a clean simple way like u do. 🙏
Honestly there’s not a whole lot of advantage to.overclocking 12th Gen. just let your motherboard’s auto overclock handle it, then add a negative voltage offset.
BRO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HAVE A RUN IN CYBERPUNK 2077.
a single generation jump is never worth it when you look at equal steps on the ladder, but if you were on 3rd gen intel or god forbid am3. then anything will seem better, imo i dont upgrade cpu, by then its a whole new pc because for ma its almost 7/8 years if you get a flagship. GPU is every other generation for me.... or was
Pretty much any modern cpu is obviously more than enough for any sim game.
Ha, try playing one in VR or in higher FPS. Then its a different story
@@Wylie288 What makes you think VR requires more cpu? as long as you're not running 8GB or RAM, It's all about the GPU.
Not worth it until DDR5 prices drop, IMO.
No love for hardware unboxed?
Great vid as always but AMD all the way
First off I love the channel and stoked for the information however I have to politely disagree. The 5800x is the spot to be in. Uses less total power and just as good as 12th Gen Intel. Truthfully new gen AMD cpus are about to drop making the 5000 range cpus more affordable going forward
Second
windows 11 yuck no thanks
Better than a 5900x?
Highly doubt it.