Weren't scholars at the time of Jesus's birth also confused about where he'd be born? Also Alma and company wouldn't have lived in Israel and therefore would not have had intimate knowledge of all the cities there. Jerusalem may have been the only city passed down over the generations since that's where lehi lived
Haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but you likely missed the rest of Corianton's story. People look at me funny when I say that Corianton is one of my Book of Mormon heroes. After all, he left the mission field to publicly chase after a prostitute. On the surface he doesn't seem like much of a hero. But we need to know the rest of his story. This story is told very subtly throughout the rest of the book of Alma. Alma, who was Corianton's father but also his mission president, reprimanded him severely in chapter 39, and then spent three more chapters teaching and clarifying doctrines about Christ that Corianton had questioned. And then he gave him this beautiful challenge: "And now, O my son, ye are called of God to preach the word unto this people. And now, my son, go thy way, declare the word with truth and soberness, that thou mayest bring souls unto repentance, that the great plan of mercy may have claim upon them. And may God grant unto you even according to my words. Amen." (Alma 42:31) The record shows that Corianton took these words to heart, was converted, and lived the rest of his life as an honorable and exemplary man. But you have to read closely to find the story. Each of the following verses refers in some way to "Helaman and his brothers." Remember that Helaman had only two brothers: Shiblon and Corianton. So this phrase necessarily includes Corianton himself. * Alma 43:1 -- They declared the word unto the people. * Alma 46:6 -- Apostates rejected their preaching. * Alma 48:18-20 -- They were all men of God, and they baptized those who repented. * Alma 49:30 -- They declared the word and baptized. * Alma 62:45 -- They initiate a revival in the Church, after many years of war. Finally, Helaman dies at the end of chapter 62. Chapter 63:1-2 then praises the character of Shiblon, but notice the very last phrase: "And he was a just man, and he did walk uprightly before God; and he did observe to do good continually, to keep the commandments of the Lord his God; AND ALSO DID HIS BROTHER." Of course, that unnamed brother was Corianton. Like so many of us, this man made some really dumb mistakes in his youth, but he experienced a mighty change of heart, and lived his life such that he received a footnote in the Book of Mormon saying, "Corianton was a just man."
8:26 My brother, you're mistaken about tongues only being in the NT after the day of Pentecost. It's all throughout the OT, it's just called prophesying. Men like David were "numbered among the prophets". What changed, was it was no longer a temporary anointing, it was an indwelling, we became the Temples of God.
10:39 I wrestled with this too until I realized that in 1 Nephi, while on the boat, God reveals the Gospel to Nephi. He did this because the "veil over their eyes" was no longer needed. The veil was there so that they would crucify Christ and not give Him a throne. So it's not an unreasonable thing for them to know about it.
Alma notes that Jesus would be born “in the land” of Jerusalem not “the town” and Bethlehem being less than 10 miles away would have been considered to pertain to “the land” of Jerusalem
Indeed, the reference to Jerusalem makes sense in a Book of Mormon context since the people in the Americas always considered themselves wanderers in a strange land, whose home was really the Jerusalem from which they came.
I think we have to be careful to not think about distance in the same way we do today. Today 10 miles away may take about 15 minutes to drive to, but back then it could have taken 5-7 hours to walk this distance. Considering other historical texts don’t reference them as being in the same “land”, I don’t think it was the general consensus that they were in the same area.
It's important to remember that the group of ancient Israelites who had left the land hundreds of years before, would have no idea where Bethlehem was. All they needed to know is that Christ was born in the general area where Jerusalem was, the land they had left 500 years previous.
I agree. The Nephites at this time probably wouldn't have known the geography of the old world, only that Lehi and his family came from Jerusalem. Saying that Christ would be born in Jerusalem meant he would be born in the land of their forefathers.
Dude, your dedication to read through and understand the Book of Mormon is an inspiration. I can only hope that the rest of us can seek to understand the religious texts of other faiths as well. Bravo, man!
To venerate fiction to Gospel is blasphemy. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
@@Ericksosasculptor Matthew 24: 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. The Bible is a library 66 books. Joseph Smith's "translated"/defiled Bible along with other made up scripture is in opposition to the truth since the Bible was never lost. 1,000 manuscripts of the Old Testament oldest of which date to the Dead Sea Scrolls year 150 Before Christ. 5,800 manuscripts of the New Testament oldest being found again in the Dead Sea Scrolls year Anno Domini 70. Thats right, the oldest New Testament manuscript dates to just 35 years after the death and resurrection and validates the mainline Bibles of today! Unless of course one believes Joseph Smith set those 6,800 manuscripts right with his vandalised text. What ancient Egyptian Sounlike Like - and how we know Q://ua-cam.com/video/J-K5OjAkiEA/v-deo.html The Lost Book of Abraham: Investigating a Remarkable Mormon Claim ua-cam.com/video/hcyzkd_m6KE/v-deo.html Elder Holland admission the Book of Abraham doesn't match archaeological evidence. ua-cam.com/video/goRh2amv60A/v-deo.html Test of a Prophet: The Bible vs. Joseph Smtih ua-cam.com/video/FrqkaKz_SSg/v-deo.html The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon ua-cam.com/video/2AVksae-Frk/v-deo.html LDS Mormon Prophet Russell Nelson Book of Mormon Seer Stones & Hat Translation Explained ua-cam.com/video/DG181zFA5YM/v-deo.html
It's not either this BOM passage is based on the Bible or the Bible is based on this BOM passage. There is a 3rd option: God revealed His truths to different people in different parts of the world. That's what "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" means to Latter-day Saints.
@@michaelbennett7561 which is why all scripture including the Bible must be revealed from a prophet who is also a seer and revelator also to be considered scripture. My son asked me today how people would “know” Jesus’s experience in Gethsemane if the Apostles writing it were all asleep. The answer is that they had it revealed and written AFTER the fact by revelation. Else they could not know.
Amen to that! No comparison needed. The Book of Mormon and Bible don't need to mirror each other exactly. God loves all his children. So why would he not reveal things to people on another continent? It is another Testament of Christ.
@Zion. Yep that has been my biggest critique. I wish he would read it and say does the Bible allow this interpretation, instead of I have my interpretation, does the Book of Mormon agree with it.
Having been a missionary for the Church and having gone to foreign country to speak I can say that our beleif in the gift of tounges is in that we are able to preach in the native tounges of those of whom we are called to teach. In the Book of Mormon there was need for this gift when they came across those in Zarahemla whos language became lost. I beleive that is when God would have helped them by giving the gift of tounges. I beleive God works with us and grants what is needed for the time, just like on the day of Pentacost. His methods vary but his gifts are to aid his work.
@@Jozeemoss Didn't all protestant religions begin the same way by challenging the understanding of what is known? Gotta keep an open mind. Why tell God what he cannot do rather than considering that he may have actually done it?
@@ryanellsworth7246 Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
A couple of quick notes at the beginning: Nehor was executed for killing Gideon, not for being a false teacher. The chapter makes it clear that religious freedom was available and that the law could have no hold on a man because of his belief. Second: Alma 7 states that Jesus would be born "at Jerusalem, which is the land of our forefathers." Nephi did not make much known to his children concerning the things of the Jews. Other than the things mentioned on the brass plates, they did not have much specific awareness of that land. They knew it as "the land of Jerusalem." It's kind of like if people from our time colonized another planet, and 500 years later their descendants speak of "Earth" or possibly "America," instead of a specific location like "Columbus, Ohio." That shouldn't surprise us. Thanks!
It is also important to note the word "at" instead of "in". This infers it was the area of Jerusalem and not within Jerusalem itself. And as Ryan mentions, if I meet someone while in Texas I would tell them I am from Boise. However I really live outside Boise in a town called Meridian. But they wouldn't know Meridian, so I refer to the nearest place they would know. This is what Ryan describes as the audience here would know Jerusalem, but not smaller places around it.
@@suem6004 Are you German? Do you think all Bible translations come from a German Bible? What are you trying to say exactly? Martin Luther was a German who translated a Bible from the original manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew into German for the common people in his country. All credible translations of the Bible come from the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction that is at odds with Bible and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies which disqualifies his authority. Joseph Smith's "translated"/defiled Bible along with other made up scripture is in opposition to the truth since the Bible was never lost. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. There are 1,000 manuscripts of the Old Testament in its original language of Hewbrew. Oldest of which date to the Dead Sea Scrolls year 150 Before Christ. There are 5,800 manuscripts of the New Testament in the original Greek. Some of the oldest being found in the Bodmer Papyri year Anno Domini 150. Thats right, the oldest New Testament manuscript dates to within 50 years after the Apostles first gave the word and validates the mainline Bibles of today! Unless of course one believes Joseph Smith set those 6,800 manuscripts right with his vandalised text. "King James Bible" John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "Joseph Smith Translated Bible" John 1: 1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. Which one is correct the one that is backed up by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Bodmer Papyri? Or the one that strips our LORD and Saviour of deity reducing him to a demigod and the Trinity to a polytheistic orgy? Isaiah 43: 10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. God makes the Gospel simple for our protection. Things that are different are not the same. True Christianity bares all three witnesses of God (1Father, logos, logic, mind, reasonable) (2Jesus, body, archaeology, heart, tangible) (3Holy Ghost, feeling, soul, spiritual) The truth shall set you free but clinging to pride instead of leaving the Pharaoh is hard since the first step is always the desert. Matthew 22:37 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Salvation is though saving faith which produces works. A false profession of faith does not produce works. And works put before saving faith does not produce saving faith. The order matters. If the first of the ten Commandments is broken Exodus 20: 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. then salvation is in jeopardy. Works don't matter if it's for made up Gods that cannot save. Only a cult would say do blind works and call it faith when actually it is prideful arrogance. Faith is enlightenment not blindful obedient action. What ancient Egyptian Sounlike Like - and how we know ua-cam.com/video/J-K5OjAkiEA/v-deo.html The Lost Book of Abraham: Investigating a Remarkable Mormon Claim ua-cam.com/video/hcyzkd_m6KE/v-deo.html Elder Holland admission the Book of Abraham doesn't match archaeology evidence. ua-cam.com/video/goRh2amv60A/v-deo.html Test of a Prophet: The Bible vs. Joseph Smtih ua-cam.com/video/FrqkaKz_SSg/v-deo.html The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon ua-cam.com/video/2AVksae-Frk/v-deo.html LDS Mormon Prophet Russell Nelson Book of Mormon Seer Stones & Hat Translation Explained ua-cam.com/video/DG181zFA5YM/v-deo.html
That was my thought as well. Tell anyone that a bio-weapons lab was discovered in Tel Aviv and most people would have no clue where that is. But say 46 of them were found in Ukraine and most people will know where that is.
If I recall correctly in the trial Alma mentions that he was enforcing his teachings with the sword. So I can see where confusion about why he was being put to death came from. He was executed for murder, but the Bible bash was why he murdered.
Yeah, I have been up and down on my gauge of Pastor Jeff's sincerity level. When he presented this info, and made Alma look like an early Catholic or Protestant, putting people to death because they don't believe correctly, I wondered, 'is he reading this or simply skimming through it.' For me, that was a low point. It seemed like he either hadn't read the story or was intentionally trying to skew in order to malign. I finished the first section and was done. I have literally spent way more time reading these comments.
Of course there are some major differences between the LDS church and 'mainstream 'Christianity! If it was exactly the same, why would God and Jesus need to come and restore the truth and set up his church? I am so grateful for the greater knowledge and understanding that comes through the restoration.
I don’t understand: Mormons get upset when people say they are not Christian yet call all Christian denominations are an abomination. We were told to be proud to be called a Mormon yet now they say that Mormon is of the devil. I just don’t get it.
Ok, Jesus coming fulfilled the law. More like, why would Jesus even come in order to start another religion? Jew and Gentile. Which do you fall under? Lds call themselves new Israel and that is cultural appropriation at its finest. Exalting yourself lessens Jesus, and God's chosen people that are to live my rules are jews. Js inserted himself in. What other prophet wrote himself in?
@@athomas9070 it isn’t cultural appropriation actually, because we are the seed of Abraham. We are the lost 10 tribes of Israel. Ephraim and Menasseh and the others have Jewish roots. And we are of Israel.
Alma 24:30 is a game changer. As someone who once had faith in the church and has now fallen away from it, that really resonated with me. I will be going to church this sunday.
Referencing Jerusalem vs. Bethlehem. We lived in a place called Harlem, GA. The small town is mostly unknown outside of the Augusta, GA area. Therefore, when people ask where we lived before moving to North Carolina, we say Augusta. Based on the time frame when Alma is speaking (more than 500 years after Lehi's family left Jerusalem), there really wouldn't have been anyone who knew the geography of the area. But, if they knew their history, they would recognize Jerusalem.
Many places are known by the larger town or city in the area. I grew up near the New London Submarine Base. It wasn't in New London, it was in Groton but New London is much for identifiable and is the county's name.
I tell people "Las Vegas" if they aren't familiar with southern Nevada, but "Boulder City" if they are. Boulder City is 15 minute's by freeway from downtown Las Vegas.
Nehor wasn’t executed for being a “false teacher;” he was executed for murdering Gideon. "At" Jerusalem is less specific than "In" Jerusalem. That's why Peter wasn't "in" the fire but rather "at the fire" in Mark 14:54.
In the Bible, Revelations tells us that nothing is to be added to or taken away from the Bible. This is why Christians will not accept a "supplement" to the Bible. We will reject anything except the Bible.
Alma 36-42 is filled with pure gold, especially 39-42, where Alma speaks with Corianton his son. There are so many points where sin is very bluntly said will lead to Corianton's destruction, but God's grace and love completely radiate, and it's made so explicitly clear that even though he was a missionary who decided to run after a harlot, Corianton is still loved by God and by his father. Additionally 40-42 give an excellent summation of why there needed to be a savior: God wants desparately for all of us to come back to him, but no unclean thing-a consequence of sin-can do that. Thus, a Savior was needed to step in and satisfy Justice while also satisfying God's Mercy.
@@Jozeemoss You are correct. But to reject the true Gospel is tragedy and will bring eternal regret. Your responsibility is to find out for yourself which this is. Read and ask God. God's Word has brought nothing but joy to me. I love the Book of Mormon and the Bible both with my whole heart and soul. They have kept my family close to God and protected them from Satan's trickery in this horrible time. They support each other and clarify each other. In the mouths of two witnesses shall all truth be established.
@@lorisimpson4535 How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
When a truth is taught in the book of Mormon that predates its teaching in the old world, that doesn't mean that yhe book of Mormon plagiarized it. It means that God teaches his children the same truths in all lands. If you have multiple kids, you understand. My kids matured at different paces, and i let one do something before their sibling because they were ready at a younger age. How do we even know that the passage in Peter wasn't common knowledge peior to it being written after the time of Christ? Truth is truth, whether it happened before or after Christ. Sometimes it feels like we can't win. If the book of Mormon teaches new doctrine, we get attacked. If it teaches accepted doctrine, we get attacked. Maybe God wants his children on both hemispheres to have the same knowledge.
Agreed, i think it's just hard to accept when a likely alternative is plagiarism. I just say that cuz i see how this things could be difficult to accept when plagiarism seems like such an easy explanation. And i am wondering how to find ways to express how we justify our beliefs in response to an accusation or question about plagiarism. Also also, I'm glad you didn't just say well the bible is just flawed so 🤷🏽♂️ Bcs that's always a cop out for when the Bible and the BOM don't seem to coincide.
I agree. I enjoy these videos, but it's interesting what he points out as concerns. For a silly example, the commentary about those writings not being true epistles....The definition of epistle is "a letter." And, Captain Moroni and Pahoran are, indeed, writing letters back and forth.
@@j-golden7927 I don't think plagiarism is valid, regarding The Book of Mormon (it is for the JST of the Bible, for example). I think the more accurate term would be amalgamation. Smith, very creatively, dictated a story that amalgamated a ton of things from his surroundings / time period / culture, etc.
@@rodneyjamesmcguire It's too internally consistent and complex for that approach to be real. It would take more time, means, and talent to put the BoM together than Joseph had, so that leads to it being created by someone else, which there is no evidence for.
I'm an English teacher, and in my undergrad English classes we read epistolary novels that were precursors to the modern novel. They were popular in 18th century British literature. The protagonist communicates with other characters through letters and that is how the plot advances. An epistle in the broader context of literature outside of the New Testament is a letter. There's no need to be formal or teach a moral lesson in the letter.
This caught my attention as well. Epistles of Pliny to Cicero for example. Where the 1828 Webster dictionary defines an epistle as: “A writing, directed or sent, communicating intelligence to a distant person; a letter; a letter missive. It is rarely used in familiar conversation or writings, but chiefly in solemn or formal transactions. It is used particularly in speaking of the letters of the Apostles, as the epistles of Paul; and of other letters written by the ancients, as the epistles of Pliny or of Cicero.”
To venerate fiction to Gospel is blasphemy. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
@@JozeemossDo you want to explain why you say the Gospel of Jesus Christ found in the Book of Mormon is "fantasy"? Willing to have some respectful dialogue.
@@nahtanojization Defensiveness and fear are often the first reactions to new ideas. Openness and curiosity follow if courage wins. I hope this person chooses this path.
@@nahtanojization @lorisimpson @marshasuemadsen All I'm after is honest dialogue! My first question is this, how do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I absolutely love these videos! Especially the ones where you read from the Book of Mormon. I was hoping you talked about the conversion of Lamoni’s father and the 2000 stripling warriors. But I know there is so much to talk about in such a short period of time. Thank you for doing this! I am thoroughly enjoying them.
This is one of my favorite parts of the Book of Mormon and further shows how someone who is fallen can be redeemed - in this case Ammon, Lamont, and Lamoni’s father. They were all fallen (and in some ways stricken down) and then redeemed. What a cool message for all of us!
Man, Lamoni’s dad continues to inspire me. This dude had power and wealth, and had major issues with prejudice. He ruled over many lands, and wasn’t afraid to drop the hammer when people were out of line. But when he caught a small glimpse of God’s power-that it was based on love, not genetics-he latched onto it with all he had. We don’t read much about him after this conversion, but if you sort of connect the dots underneath the text, you see a man who gave up everything earthly to learn about the heavenly. Lots of people in the kingdom became serious Godly warriors, and raised the next generation with that fierce love for righteousness. Lamoni’s dad showed me that one person’s conversion can literally affect hundreds of thousands of people over time. This dude was awesome.
@@adamsmith4584don’t forget Zeezrom. Dude was an educated basher-looking to entrap and/or bribe Alma and Amulek, but then, in the end, accepted the gospel at great peril to his own life.
If I were not already familiar with the BofM I would have a hard time tracking all of the descriptions, names, places etc that were summarized. You did an awesome job trying to condense an enormous amount of information into 45 minutes. I would encourage anyone not familiar with the BofM to read it for themselves and evaluate the text as another testimony of Jesus Christ. As I read the BofM I have an incredible appreciation for what Jesus did to pay the price of sin for me and shows me the Savior has the power to heal even those that feel they are beyond healing. If either the Bible or the BoM are read from the lens of a historical document, neither will produce faith enough to change. However, both are more than historical documents. Thank you Pastor Jeff for exploring and sharing your journey. My prayer is that we all can be respectful of each other’s journey as we grapple with historical inconsistencies or incomplete understanding, but we are all seeking redemption from the Savior of the World.
The Bible is irrefutably an ancient text. There's an extraordinary amount of physical evidence for the physical things it describes (places, cultures, history, people, etc.). From that reality, people then base faith on the supernatural claims. But if there were essentially no physical evidence for the backdrop (places, cultures, history, people, etc.), or even that it was a valid anciently written text, any faith in the supernatural elements of it would be a blind faith. Blind faith is dangerous, because with it, we can "believe" anything.
2 points: 1. If you are reading the BoM because you are curious to find out what LDS people believe, you have to focus on what it teaches about Jesus. The story is nice, but it's not why we read the BoM. We read it to learn of Christ. 2. Way to go with pronunciation! I know lots of members of the LDS church who don't pronounce half of those names correctly. It doesn't really matter; it's not a sin to pronounce things differently. But it looks like you checked out the pronunciation guide, and I appreciate that.
If that's the case, then you should throw out the book of mormon because it is a fairy tale, a book of deception. Go read the CES letter and start your awakening. Then, pick up the Bible and learn who the True and Living Holy YHWH and His Messiah is.
@@TheHappyNarwhals How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I am an older lady, tucked away in her Granny shed in a little corner of England, watching your video of Alma readings, like your previous offerings. May I say how much I appreciate your open mind as you honestly apply your intelligence and enthusiasm to your search for all truth, everywhere. Your heart is good and I'm sure Father will continue to bless you for your respect to those if us who began reading the Book of Mormon and living the truths of all scripture while you were still back home, awaiting taking your Turn on Earth. Keep going, and blessing me with your insights and understanding. You are a breath of fresh air, looking instead of merely dismissing and criticising as some have. The Saviour is aware of every good work, cheering you on, i feel sure. 😊
The phrase “land of Jerusalem” shows up at least 40 times in the Book of Mormon as a reference to the famous Jewish city in Israel and its surrounding regions.1 The Bible, however, only portrays Jerusalem as a city, and never as a land. This apparent discrepancy actually drew some criticism in Joseph Smith’s day. In 1838, one writer insisted, “There is no such land. No part of Palestine bears the name Jerusalem, except the city itself.”2 Today, however, ancient sources have confirmed that anciently Jerusalem was understood as both a city and a land.3 As Hugh Nibley pointed out long ago, several of the Amarna Letters (discovered in 1887) refer to the “land of Jerusalem.”4 These letters represent the correspondence from the rulers of several Canaanite city-states to the Egyptian Pharaoh in the mid-14th century BC, including 6 from ʿAbdi-Ḫeba, the ruler of Jerusalem at the time.5 “Behold,” wrote ʿAbdi-Ḫeba, “the king [of Egypt] has set his name in the land of Jerusalem for ever; so he cannot abandon the lands of Jerusalem!”6 In the Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered in the 1940s), a story about Jeremiah talks about captives “from the land of Jerusalem” being escorted to Babylon.7 While the story itself most likely dates to around the first century BC, it is set in 587 BC in the aftermath of the final Babylonian invasion, and bears some interesting similarities to the opening chapters of the Book of Mormon.8 In addition to this evidence for the expression itself, archaeological evidence indicates that the phrase land of Jerusalem accurately reflects the settlement patterns specific to Lehi’s time. In the seventh century BC, “Jerusalem was located in the centre of a sort of district, which encompassed the capital and its periphery, including the agricultural areas of the city’s residents, as well as satellite settlements directly connected to Jerusalem proper.”9 These satellite settlements would harvest goods which were shipped back to the capital city to meet the needs of its growing population.10 According to Yigal Moyal and Avraham Faust, “One may treat the entire region, including … ‘satellite’ settlements, as part of Jerusalem’s own hinterland.”11 Thus, Nephi’s use of the phrase land of Jerusalem may have appropriately referred to Jerusalem itself and the “hinterland” that surrounded it. Significantly, these circumstances were unique to the seventh century BC. “Never before in the history of the region,” explained Yuval Gadot, “were there so many sites of different functions and size around Jerusalem.” The reason for this population growth around Jerusalem, according to Gadot, was the devastation of the Judean countryside by the Assyrian army at the end of the 8th century BC. “Jerusalem survived but the Assyrian assault had a devastating impact on the kingdom,” forcing populations to relocate to the regions immediately surrounding Jerusalem.12 Hence, as Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise observed, the expression land of Jerusalem in the Dead Sea Scrolls’ story about Jeremiah “greatly enhances the sense of historicity” of the narrative, since at this time Judah “consisted of little more than Jerusalem and its immediate environs.”13 By the same logic, the phrase land of Jerusalem “greatly enhances” the Book of Mormon’s “sense of historicity” as well, seeing that it portrays Lehi as Jeremiah’s contemporary.14
‘Greatly enhances its sense of historicity’ is a bit of a stretch. If your going to use this to support the claim the BOM is true, what do you with the evidence that prove it is false? It would seem to boil down to two possibilities. It’s false, and some things appear to be coincidental, or it’s true and you need to overcome all the problems raised in the translation process.
@@Mmmmmk247 I am simply using it to answer a question posed by the Pastor... I don't need it for any other purpose. We now know that others in the past refered to Jeruselem in the same way. You can call it a lucky guess or a validation of Joseph Smith, but that depends on your faith...
When you see some truthlike things overlapping both in the Book of Mormon and in the Holy Bible. It reasons with me that truth is truth no matter what, where, how, or when it is revealed. Truth is the way something is, was, and will be. It should not change. Therefore, it has to be the same in the Book of Mormon, the Holy Bible, or any other books.
@Rodney James McGuire with Protestants I've seen it where if it doesn't contradict the Bible but goes exactly with the Bible, Joseph Smith is accused of plagiarism. If it's something outside of Biblical norms, it's "contradictory." Therefore, the whole thing is darned if we do or darned if we don't when it comes to comparing the Book of Mormon to the Bible. What parts are you specifically saying are contradictory? Please don't use generalities such as the "the whole thing" that just tells me you probably haven't read anything and just trying to attack.
@@BrianTerrill Yah, there is definitely a darned if you do, darned if you don't aspect, to all of this. Just the idea of receiving the Holy Ghost in Alma is contradictory, as Jeff points out. There are many other contradictions.
@rodneyjamesmcguire that's not a contradiction between the Book of Mormon and the Bible6's a contradiction in how you read the Bible vs. what the Bible actually says about the Holy Ghost. Many falsely assume the Holy Ghost first came on the Apostles at the Feast of Pentecost, but let's look at what the Bible really says: " For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21) So clearly, every prophet of old spoke when moved by the Holy Ghost. " For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb." (Luke 1:15) So John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost even in his mother's womb. "8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" (John 3:8-10) It's obvious from this passage that Jesus is making the point that we need to be born of the Spirit early in his ministry, and chastened Nicodemus for being a ruler in Israel and not knowing these things, meaning these principles were already revealed to Israel but for whatever reason, not being taught by the Jewish leadership at that time. "24 ¶ And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. 25 And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. 26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp. 27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp. 28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. 29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!" (Numbers 11:24-29) So even in the Old Testament, the Holy Ghost was operable. What that shows is that Jesus was not bringing something new but something lost and restoring it. So there are no contradictions in the Bible and Book of Mormon. Rather, there are contradictions over some perceptions some have in regards to the Holy Ghost and how it is related to the Pentacost.
@@BrianTerrill Wow, what an extreme example of not knowing the Bible, while proof-texting from it... Nobody said the HG wasn't of influence previously (in the OT, and elsewhere). There's a difference between that and what happened to Christians at the Pentecost, which had not happened previously. John 14 clears this up, as something happens after Jesus's earthly time was past. Future tense. And again, The Book of Mormon does contradict the Bible in many places.
Pastor Jeff, great and interesting discussion as always. Couple points from section 1: 1. Unfortunate that you didn’t cover the beauty of Alma chapter 7 discussing how Christ’s sacrifice not only covers our sins, but also our weaknesses, our pains, our sicknesses. I love this part of Alma. 2. I don’t believe that the day of Pentecost was the first time the Spirit of God attended God’s children in such power. Why do you think that? Do you not suppose that it was present in the City of Enoch? Didn’t Jesus tell Peter that it was in fact the Spirit, and not flesh and blood that testified to him that Jesus was the Christ? 3. The prophecy of Joel as quoted by Peter is not Peter saying “this day of Pentecost is the last days, and today is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel.” After all, it wasn’t yet the last days when Peter said that. I believe Peter was saying “in Joel, the prophecy of the last days says there will be these witnesses of the truth, and today you are seeing the same outpourings occur.” In that context, there is no issue with Alma teaching that tongues are a gift of the Spirit. 4. Omni 1:25 in the Book of Mormon also references the gift of tongues. Again, in the history of the world, why would God bestow the gift of tongues starting only at that point in time? And why fixate on tongues anyway? There are other gifts of the spirit equally as powerful, if not more so. 5. Chapter 13 and the discussion on the holy order of the Son of God wasn’t touched. This is a very important chapter as it links Melchizedek, Abraham, Christ, the holy order of the priesthood, the ordinances of the temple, and the Spirit of God that was bestowed on people anciently (long before the day of Pentecost). This is AN EXTREMELY important connection, and also suggests that, as much as I love the Bible, that there are missing links from the KJV that the prophets of the Book of Mormon clearly knew and understood about the ancient days from the Brass plates of Laban.
Your #5 is exactly why a born again Christian WILL NOT accept LDS. In Revelations, the Bible states that no one is to add to,or take away from the Bible or we will deal with the consequences. I'm not trying to be rude,only honest !
You should do a reaction video about the Articles of Faith! They are essentially 13 brief statements that summarize the main points of what Latter-day Saints believe. It could be a good way to look at the basic doctrines and compare them to mainstream Christian religions.
Wow! That’s an impressive summation of the Book of Alma! I thought I’d share my understanding of the Latter-day Saint view of the fall. First, it’s important that we do not simply believe we are trying to return to heaven to be with God. We believe we are learning to become like Him. We believe that coming to mortality was risky business, but necessary for our progression. I think about my children. On the one hand, I would never take their hand and put it on a hot stove to teach them not to touch. On the other hand, if they ever did, they would definitely learn from the experience. Similarly, God created a world where we could live and learn to choose between good and evil, but it would not be right for Him to force us to come. It was a choice we had to make. The up side of the fall was that Adam and Eve made the choice to open the door for other spirit children of God to come to earth. The downside, of course, involves all the tragic parts of the fall, namely sin and death. But, of course, the fall was not a surprise to God. He had a plan in place already, and that plan was to provide a Savior, who could, in turn, open the door for us to return, if we put our faith in Him.
Both the Amarna letters and the Dead Sea scrolls make reference to "the land of Jerusalem". Bethlehem is located within what would have been considered the land of Jerusalem. In my experience, this is the most common explanation. The fact that every school child knows Christ was born in Bethlehem is why this stands out. That's what it seems like it SHOULD have said. Nowadays we know that anciently they regarded the area around Jerusalem as the land of Jerusalem. There were enough obscure hamlets that the nearest major city would be the most helpful/relevant landmark. I enjoyed this video. You're over the hump! Just a few books to go.
@Harry Henderson Ok, I just have to say I love your name because it makes me think of a favorite childhood movie. 😀 Oh, and I guess I'll add that I love how people can't decide if Joseph Smith is a genius, an idiot, just lucky, or a Prophet. 😂 Often in the Bible when it says "at" Jerusalem it's referring to places or cities near or just outside of Jerusalem. At face value I would have guessed Joseph Smith is a genius even though he only had an elementary school education. While a vast number of people in the world do not believe the Bible is true or that Jesus is the Christ or that the stories of Him are true, regardless of how much evidence supports it could be true, they will never come to a knowledge of the truth of it without a witness of the Holy Spirit that it is true. In the same way, regardless of how much evidence there is thus far, or that we put forth, or that will continue to come forth to support that the Book of Mormon could be true, and how much the Bible and Book of Mormon support one another, no one can come to a knowledge of the truthfulness of it without a witness of the Holy Spirit that it is true. But one can read and experiment upon the words of both and then ask God if they are true. Then, only a witness from the Holy Spirit, in God's timing, will one know for themselves that they are true. This is how I gained a testimony that both the Bible and Book of Mormon are true. Together, they bear witness to the world of the reality of Jesus Christ, that he is the Messiah, that only of Him and by Him and through Him can we return to the Father. This is the greatest message God wants the world to know. And he has given us two witnesses from two different sides of the world to help the world know of this truth.
@Harry Henderson @Harry Henderson Would you be interested in seeing the overwhelming evidence that supports it? And even then, as I've said before, only the Holy Spirit can let you know it is true without a shadow of a doubt because then it is knowledge from God. Also, thank you - it does bring happiness into my life and peace as it strengthens my testimony of Jesus Christ, brings the Spirit, and helps me become closer to God. This is the purpose of the Book of Mormon.
Can't the story of the garden of Eden be both a tragedy and part of the plan? Pastor Jeff says what Evangelicals believe is vastly different than what Latter-Day Saints belive, but then he went on to explain exactly what Latter-Day Saints believe. What Pastor Jeff never mentions is whether the fall was part of the Father's plan. Does he belive God made a mistake here? If not, then wouldn't the fall be part of the plan and therefore good, like Latter-Day Saints believe?
Satan divides, God unites. I am grateful to see more interfaith bridges being built. Thank you for your efforts. May we all learn from and love each other to become ONE as Jesus Christ taught.
@@azerwhite8870 How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
@@azerwhite8870 Are you afraid of the question how you test a prophet? Truth doesn't offend except the proud in heart. Tell me where I am wrong in my logic so that I may correct. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirt before a fall. P. S. You sound great on the sax if that's you playing on your channel. I played trombone when I was in school.
None of the people in Alma’s time were familiar with Israel’s geography, I’m sure. They knew their ancestors had come from the land of Jerusalem, so they said that Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. That’s what makes sense to me.
Pastor Jeff, first I want to thankyou for making these videos. I have learned so much from the insights that you have given over this series. I did want to comment on the topic of the fall of Adam and Eve. You have noted several times through the series that evangelicals believe that the fall was a tragedy and "Bad" and that is commonly held belief by Latter-Day Saints is that it was a "good", and this is one of the major differences between the two. I suggest that we are asking the wrong question all together, "good or bad" is a matter of perspective and your definition of "good" and bad". The question that we should be asking is was the fall of Adam and Eve necessary? All Christians (including Latter-Day Saints) believe that redemption from the fall through Jesus Christ is necessary but was the fall necessary in the first place? What would have happened if Adam and Eve never fell?
I used to joke that the Garden of Eden portion was a Kobiyashi Maru test of sorts. A no-win situation (they were going to fall, because it was necessary for us to learn to know good from evil, which was not possible in an environment when all that existed was good. So, this "unavoidable" fall was always known, and that Jesus Christ's role was already in place as a savior. The "good vs bad" dichotomy exists because the "fall" is seen in a negative light. The point is that WITHOUT the fall, WE could not gain the knowledge that was only possible THROUGH the fall. It's a short-term "bad" with a long-term "good". In other words, similar to a child who has to know what being burned feels like before the lesson is embedded that fire hurts, with a longer term understanding to avoid exposure to fire where it will hurt you.
"He shall be born of Mary, AT Jerusalem" Definition of "At": used as a function word to indicate presence or occurrence IN, ON, or NEAR. "He shall be born of Mary, at (NEAR) Jerusalem." Hope this helps. 🙏🏼
For latter-day saints, the similarities of passages, like the ones you mention, are in fact evidence of the divinity/veracity of the Book of Mormon. If both books are testaments (witnesses) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then it would logically follow that there'd be similar teachings/passages. 1 source of divine truth (God), 2 locations
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr that's a completely different thing. This is more akin to two scientists discovering the same thing, independently of one another. Followers of Jehovah (Jesus) teaching the same gospel are inevitably going to express the same concepts in similar ways, even occasionally nearly identically, regardless of their location, because their source for the truth is the same: revelation through the power of God.
To clarify, I'm not saying that they can't be something that starts or supports someone through their faith journey, just that from my study, the foundation of Christian belief should ultimately rest on revelatory and relational experiences with God through the Holy Spirit
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr if you want study for what the holy ghost does and how to recognize it, here's a few good references I really like. 1kings 19:12, Matt 16:17, John 14:26, James 1:5, Acts 8:12-17, Acts 19:1-6
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr I'm sorry you feel that way. You seem to have some biases (fair enough, we all do) against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I get that there are some differences of teaching, but there's no need to disparage or belittle others for those differences.
Pastor Jeff, thank you for all of the work that you are doing. There is something I feel like needs to be a change with what you cover in these videos. The purpose of the Book of Mormon is to testify of Jesus Christ, hence, "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." I feel like there needs to be more emphasis on what the book is teaching about Jesus Christ, despite how different it may be to the standard Bible Belt views. I enjoy that you give an outline of the story that is given in the Book of Mormon, but I would strongly suggest putting more effort into explaining what the book is saying about Jesus Christ. I am excited to hear your thoughts on 3 Nephi. Keep up the great work!
I wish he only came to it and referred to the book for what it is. And didn't pick his parts based only on what he agrees or not. This hurts to know Jeff is getting influence and many people will skip the BoM just because they won't find in his videos that Christ is spoken of at all! And when Jeff does mention him, it's to pick Him apart. Because they already feel that we have a false Jesus. Karl Jenkins (the producer of the Chosen) has seen more without picking of this book than Jeff has after attending to temples, conferences, and reading the book. The difference is in the intention of the Heart.
@@elhimxreynoso9655 I didn't think about this and how important it is. You're absolutely right. It makes me so sad to think of all the people that will come to these videos thinking they are getting and in depth analysis with everything they need to know about the Book of Mormon, but with the size of the Book of Mormon, that simply isn't possible. You can't touch on everything, and Pastor Jeff's focus is on something different. The difference and similarities between what he believes compared to what he reads in the Book of Mormon. Jesus Christ is what matters to us. He is the center. Everything and everyone else points to Him. That is the entire point of the Book of Mormon and the entre point of our church. And unfortunately He is what is getting lost in this process.
@@Jozeemoss You are absolutely right. But we not believe it is a work of fantasy. It is a true record of Christ's gospel in ancient America translated through the power of God, and I can testify of that. I'm not going to force my religion or my belief upon you. It sounds like you have found God and love God and I am ecstatic for that for you! I hope you continue to love him and feel him in your life. I just felt that I should respond truthfully. You are welcome to call it blasphemy because you are very welcome to see it that way. All we see it as is Gospel. Thank you for your comment and I hope you have wonderful day! 😄
@@bethanynichols1249 How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Pastor Jeff, you are probably one of the smartest non-LDS preachers that has ever read the book of Alam. It is remarkable!!! Listening to you keep track of all these plotlines. It's amazing. The Book of Alma, being a lengthy and complex book within the Book of Mormon, contains multiple plot lines that intertwine and develop throughout its chapters. It would be challenging to provide an exhaustive list of all the plot lines, as the book encompasses various historical, political, and spiritual narratives. However, I can highlight some of the major plot lines that are prominent in the Book of Alma: 1. The Conversion and Ministry of Alma: This plot line focuses on the personal journey and teachings of Alma the Younger, who undergoes a dramatic conversion experience and becomes a prophet and leader among the Nephites. It explores Alma's efforts to preach the gospel, establish churches, and contend against wickedness. 2. The Conflict with the Amlicites: The Book of Alma includes a significant plot line involving the conflict between the Nephites and the Amlicites, a group of dissenters who seek to establish a king and overthrow the Nephite government. This narrative explores the military confrontations and political struggles between the two factions. 3. The Anti-Nephi-Lehies and the Lamanites: Another important plot line revolves around the conversion and experiences of the Anti-Nephi-Lehies, a group of Lamanites who renounce violence and become followers of Christ. This narrative explores their faithfulness, the challenges they face, and their interactions with the Lamanites. 4. The Zoramites and the Zoramite Mission: Alma and his companions embark on a mission to the Zoramites, a group of Nephite dissenters who have established a false and prideful form of worship. This plot line focuses on their efforts to teach the Zoramites, the rejection they face, and the lessons learned. 5. The Wars and Contentions: Throughout the Book of Alma, there are several plot lines related to wars, conflicts, and contentions among different factions and groups. These narratives highlight the consequences of wickedness, the role of righteous leaders, and the preservation of the Nephite civilization. 6. The People of Ammon and the Lamanite Conversion: The Book of Alma also includes the narrative of the People of Ammon, a group of former Lamanites who embrace the gospel and become a significant force for good. This plot line explores their conversion, their dedication to nonviolence, and their positive impact on the Lamanite society. These are some of the major plot lines found in the Book of Alma. It is worth noting that these narratives often intersect and overlap, creating a rich and multifaceted account of the Nephite civilization, its challenges, and its spiritual development. But, you gave no credit to Joseph Smith for being capable of such complex plot lines.
@@BGCflyer the point he is making is that if it’s not from God as we know it is but “man made” then Joseph came up with some pretty detailed plot lines that weave together tremendously and contain such powerful testimonies of Christ. Obviously we know it wasn’t him but is an inspired work of God
It's interesting when you plug passages of Alma, Mormon, 1st Nephi, Jacob and Joseph Smith's 1832 history (which he actually wrote) into CHATGPT 4.0, and you don't title it Book of Mormon but keep the passages untitled (and I've tried this now several timest to see if I could get CHATGPT to give me different results), the analyse shows clearly that Joseph Smith did not write the Book of Mormon (at least they are not anything he could have come up with his writing skills). Chat GPT also references that 1st Nephi and Jacob were written possibly by the same writer, but there are differences. It also clearly points out Alma and Mormon were written by someone who is more direct and concise then in 1st Nephi and Jacob. So it doesn't prove it's a translation, but it doesn't prove it's not. Chat GPT does though prove multiple writers or editors were involved in writing the Book of Mormon. Which would conform with faithful LDS members view of how it was translated and published. The reason the plot lines are complicted is because it's not written by Joseph Smith.
The Jerusalem reference doesn't bother me, since Jerusalem is probably considered more as a land than as a city to the descendants of Lehi who only know it from their history. I hadn't clued into the gift of tongues reference being prepentacostal before. I feel like the Church Alma established was much more aligned to the Church Christ would Himself establish later. They still followed the Law of Moses but only due to it not being fulfilled in Christ yet. It makes sense that more New Testament teachings and gifts would have been revealed to them because they were ready to receive them.
The Old Testament prophets had the Melchizedek priesthood, but the people of Israel rejected the higher law, and God, at the mount with Moses, and so were given instead the 10 commandments and the laws and ordinances of the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood. Thus pre-Mosaic times, so, from Adam down to the time of Joseph of Egypt, the people would have been taught the higher law and used the higher priesthood also. Jehovah, through Moses, couldn't restore his full gospel to the apostate children of Israel who left Egypt, so it was left until later, when Christ essentially restored his own (Jehovah's) church again. The reason the Book of Mormon always feels so much more Christological, or New Testament-esque is precisely because the Nephites (being Manasseh) werent restricted in this way. They were led by prophets who ordained and ministered in the Melchizedek priesthood (hence having the gift of the Holy Ghost which only pertains to the higher priesthood). This also explains why they were in the end utterly destroyed, since they sinned against far greater light than the Jews or other Israelites did, as Moroni points out in his own writings. The apostasy across both the old and new worlds, meant that much later on it was up to Joseph Smiith to restore it again. We are, at the end of it all, a restorational church. The Book of Mormon, along with the Bible shows this cycle of apostasy and restoration only too clearly.
He has already done one, along with the Gospel, and the Godhead, among several others, though it would be interesting to redo them now that he has acquired additional knowledge.
Well... We are just Creatures that happen to have the image of God... But Jeff might say... Nooooo, we can't be his spiritual Children. Noooo... The preexistente cannot be a thing... (we know lucifer was cast out of heaven... But yet, noooo, there isn't such thing as God Gathering us to help us understand how to be like him). Ofcouse, what father among us having a son who asks for bread gives him a Stone? But then, what father doesn't want his children to grow, gain experience, and become even like unto themselves.... But yet, nooooo, that's no a thing with God. No one can pursue being like your father in heaven. (yeah, the Holy Ghost helps you change... But unto what???? Surely not like the father) This narrative is so Christless. We are ALL His spiritual children. He weeps when we fall away because we are not only creatures, but HIS children. He wants us to progress like himself. He loves us beyond comprehension. We are no experiment. We are created in his image because we are his descendants. God knows it all. The end since the beginning. He knew that Adam and Eve would fall. He gave them that Commandment for that special reason. He didn't cast lucifer from heaven to hell directly for a reason. Instead, he sent him to earth to tempt Adam and Eve. The plan is beautiful. And allows us to use agency. One of the most beautiful gifts EVER.
From a context standpoint I think it makes absolute sense why Alma would say that Christ would be born in Jerusalem and not Bethlehem. Alma is teaching a people who are hundreds of years removed from living in the Middle East. Telling the people that Christ would be born in Bethlehem would be meaningless to him and them - because they likely don’t know where Bethlehem is. But telling them that he would be born in Jerusalem - context for which they would be familiar as it’s the ancestral home they left from - makes a lot of sense. Frankly to me that is contextual evidence for the genuineness of the Book of Mormon.
Pastor Jeff, I appreciate your discomfort with the references to Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon. Something that might help is to realize that the Book of Mormon began with Lehi and his family leaving Jerusalem because it was going to be destroyed due to their lack of faith regarding the coming of the Savior (remember Jeremiah was contemporary to Lehi and prophesied prolifically). Lehi and his family already believed in the coming of the Messiah. Lehi, Nephi, Jacob, Alma, etc., all had visions about the coming of the Savior...very detailed visions. They were blessed with that spirit of revelation. Of course there were those who lost interest in that and got comfortable with the business of being mortal and instant gratification, but Alma had a very recent and profound experience with the Lord that he was called to share. Truly, the Book of Mormon is all about the coming of, and mission of the Savior. I also feel that if we say that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, Then why shouldn't there be those gifts of the Spirit at all times of the history of this world?
Love that you’re mentioning how things are similar to the Bible at times. God teaches His truths to all of His people- of course there are similarities:)
@@Jozeemoss I’m sorry you see it that way. I know the feelings the Holy Ghost has confirmed to me of the Book of Mormon. They are the same feelings when I read of Christs earthly ministry in the New Testament. Of course to me it makes sense that those who God has revealed His truth to will have similar promptings and feelings, especially when the conditions of the people may be similar.
Jeremiah 17: 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? 10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. Mathew 22: 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. God makes the Gospel simple for our protection. Things that are different are not the same. True Christianity bares all three witnesses of God (1Father, logos, logic, reasonable) (2Jesus, body, archaeology, tangible) (3Holy Ghost, soul, feeling, spiritual) The truth shall set you free but clinging to pride instead of leaving the Pharaoh is hard since the first step is always the desert. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Find God with the triad of being that is reflected in all of us after His image (body, mind & soul). Faith is (logical, spiritual, tangible).
If you go back and reference 1 Nephi, you'll note that Nephi says his father dwelt "at Jerusalem". But in 1 Nephi 3-4, it's clear that his father didn't actually dwell _in_ the city of Jerusalem (after gathering the riches left behind in their flight into the wilderness, the brothers then travel _to_ the city of Jersualem). So if nothing else, the use of "at" vs. "in" is internally consistent here within the Book of Mormon.
This video felt like it was 10 minutes...that's how involved I was :) I was anxiously waiting for this video. Probably my favorite one. So much happens in Alma and it is the book within the Book of Mormon that changed my life. Alma the Younger, Ammon, and Moroni all give me hope. Once again, you did AWESOME breaking this down. So many similarities to our current day, that is why the Book was meant for our generations now to learn important things, just as we do from the Bible.
Well... He intentionally skipped Christ. He said it. Just because it doesn't fit his description of Christ. Christ is the essence. And if he skipps Him intentionally... Well, he is just detouring people who have never read the Book, and (after watching his videos) will conclude that the book is Christless. It is clear. He is not trying to convert. So if he is not, then what is he Doing? He is trying to provide an alternative to any LDS whose testimony is dwindling. Jeff feels he is doing us a favor. But little did he Know he is doing the opposite.
Hello Pastor Jeff!👋 Captain Moroni was such a rock star that the abridger (editor) of the BOM, Mormon, named his own son Moroni after him! This Moroni is the final writer in the BOM and the same Angel Moroni who visited Joseph Smith. Alma 14-15 focusing on the the missionary companionship of Alma & Amulek is amazing. The people killed were people that Amulek knew and loved. The fact that Alma took Amulek into his own house at the end of Chpt 15 makes it seem like Amulek’s own family might have been some of the martyrs. =( Alma 49 is a chapter we teach the youth about being so prepared against the weapons of Satan that he will be astonished. The Book of Alma is rich with meaning. The importance of missionary work, preparations as we war against Satan, political strife. I can so clearly see how the Book of Mormon is a parallel for our day and time.
@@jtalb64 How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Im grew up as a latter day saint, growing up i looked for every reason i could find, to figure out if this was the true church, i had went through every possible thing against the book of mormon and the church and the one thing i could not let go was how almost every book of mormon story was identical or simmilar or easily inspired by a biblical story. I want to testify that searching through that doubt of mine was what lead me to the holy spirit communicating to me that the church was true and was the start of several personal communcative experiences with God. I actually still dont have a definitive answer on that subject, however, i know that a lot of biblical language used is largly because in the translation process it was translated in a way that was not exact to the word but exact to the bible using audience.
Joseph and his friends were well versed in the King James Bible, the latest edition at the time. So he wrote the Book of Mormon similar to what he knew.
@Mmmmk at the same time they'res a lot of context in there that is correct and was not discovered until our lifetime and an original understanding of hebrew in the pearl of Great price.
39:36 this is why it’s really important to stop reading the book of Mormon as much as a historical document, as it is a narrative of prophecy for America. Not to say that it isn’t a historical document. But it is so much more than that. Are you listening? This Book is a Mirror to our day.
I make comparisons between the book of Alma and what is going to today all the time. I really wish that Pastor Jeff would have spent any amount of time on the Title of Liberty as it mirrors our current day Constitution. The fight that was going on between the freemen and kingsmen mirrors a lot our political discourses today where there are those that are wanting more freedoms and those that are asking for more government intrusion and regulation. This chapter to me is proof of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon as it was written for our time and as this shoes it has the blueprint for how we fix our current situation.
@@hardee33 yeah seriously how come he focused on Moroni killing the king men, and not on any of the similar constitutional issues that we are finding ourselves surrounded by today. I don’t have a problem with him bringing things forward that he views as anachronisms, but there are some very key things that he is just glossing over and it’s very frustrating. But I also understand that he only has an hour or less to make this video. I wish he had broken it up into two different videos because there’s so much in Alma that he is missing.
Alma and Moroni are awesome, I love when Alma talks about faith and how it is compared to a seed that needs to be nurtured with an eye of faith in the fruits. I love how Moroni wants freedom for his people as well as Nephi did, it reminds me of political issues today but also spiritual matters. The video didn't feel long at all! ♥♥
Honestly, having it all in one video was SO worth it! Not only was it informative and well-put, but it was fun watching you work through it like we all do, trying to piece everything together. I loved it!
Just one of my favorite chapters - Alma 32! It is such a wonderful explanation of how to plant faith like a seed and nurture it so it grows. It, hand-in-hand with the Savior's parable of the sower in Matthew 13, was instrumental in developing my own faith in Jesus Christ and how to be not only "good soil", but well-watered and sunlit so the seed thrives.
If you nourish the seed of faith, it will become knowledge. The first principle of the Gospel is faith in Christ. The second principle is repentance. Alma 37:9 repentance is to know the Lord and rejoice in Jesus Christ our redeemer.
Thank goodness for the further light and knowledge given through continuous revelation. IF the fall of Adam and Eve was "bad and the worst, or biggest mistake ever made" it would cause me to question the Omnipotence of God. He doesn't make mistakes..nor does he leave eternal things to chance. His plans are perfect! The "traditional" interpretation of the events of the Garden are a huge problem for logic and reason. This interpretation of the fall makes creator seem as fallable as his creation.
I completely disagree that God doesn’t leave things to chance! God is not boring; he is Creative and Awesome God rolls rice, with entropy sources that are unknown, even to God ! God is big enough for this
Concerning Adam and Eve, I wonder if there isn't a difference in the interpretation of "fallen" pertaining to what happened in the Garden of Eden. I get the impression that many Christians see it as a very evil state, such as what happened to Lucifer, making it very tragic. Whereas, I see it more as fallen from innocence and the physical presence of God. Because Adam and Eve became aware of "right and wrong" they were no longer innocent. Being imperfect, and no longer innocent, they could no longer live in the presence of God; falling from the face of God. Mankind thereafter, not being innocent or perfect is born in a fallen state.
I might add, if they remained innocent forever they may have never had children. Therefore the fall was necessary that we were even born, and here today to debate the whole story.
Jeff We love Pastor Jeff.....he has been called of God to build these bridges. He stands as an example to ALL evangelical, LDS, Christians, religious and non-religious alike on what it looks like to speak to and about others with love and compassion. I've learned so much watching him interact with the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ. As you listen to what he is saying, it's vital to understand the differences in the doctrine. Evangelical Doctrine #1 - A Plan of Salvation where a few pre-determined select people will live with God again, while the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell due to no fault of their own, they were just born in the wrong place or time, not knowing who Jesus Christ was. Those who did not accept Jesus Christ into their hearts during their lives will suffer forever. For many Protestant denominations and The Catholic Church, this includes infants and children who were not baptized, resulting in the practice of infant baptisms. Doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ #2 - We are ALL welcome to Come unto Christ, including those who do not hear of Christ in this life, children who die before the age of accountability, and those who have no understanding of Jesus Christ. He died for all mankind and He works tirelessly to help all of Heavenly Fathers children learn of and UNDERSTAND the blessings of the salvation offered through His atoning sacrifice. Heaven is MASSIVELY large, inclusive, where only a few will endure eternally suffering in outer darkness. We all have our agency to choose to follow Him, and to what degree we will follow Him, a little, or all the way. I imagine Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appearing to Joseph Smith in joyful anticipation, to usher in this final dispensation. Jesus Christ suffered unthinkable pain in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross, in order to offer His mercy and grace to all mankind. He did this for every single person who will ever live on earth. He includes everyone. John Calvin, Martin Luther and other reformers played an integral part in the eventual restoration of the gospel. They broke away from the false teachings and practices of The Catholic Church. We should celebrate a revere their courage to institute the practice of personal revelation, biblical truths, and the personal pursuit of truth. All these practices were bedrock in the religious practices of Joseph Smith, his family and surrounding religious culture. Joseph Smith was reading The Bible as a youth BECAUSE of brave men like Martin Luther and John Calvin. So much of what they taught was true, they just didn't understand some of these eternal truths that had been lost. I see Pastor Jeff in a similar light. He treats LDS people and doctrine with respect. He is a friend. He is an example to us and especially to other Evangelical Pastors who have historically attacked Latter-Day Saints for differences in theology. I admire Jeff. Like so many other Latter-Day Saints I'm rooting for him, just as I am for those in my neighborhood, ward, and family. Great video!
Thank you for digging through Alma! The BoM changed my life and I need to re-study this entire Book of Alma. There are some great lessons in the war chapters like how even though they fortified the cities, because of pride, the Lamanites were able to take cities one by one. To me it means, no matter what we do on the outside, if we're not humble....we can be made humble.
The definition of speaking of toungs referred to in Allma is not the same idea of what you are used to. It is the ability to speak foreign languages. It only occurs in the Book of Mormon after the Nephites find the Mulikites, who had a different language. I also resurched this subject, and there were people influenced by the Holy Ghost in the Old Testament
@@rodneyjamesmcguire True, true, very very true. That is why I made the distinction that the Book of Mormon is not talking about the gift of tongues experienced in Acts when it talks about tongues in Alma. It was the learning of the language of the Mulikites some people have been given the talent of learning a language easily. And it comes from God, as do all gifts
I have been looking forward to this video for several weeks ever since you said it was going to be released today. I was thinking about this, coming home and watching it, while I was at church. Immediately after eating some lunch I went to my phone and the UA-cam app and found the video. I was not disappointed. I’m looking forward to your take on the Book of Helaman as well as, especially, 3 Nephi.
at first the text reading "at Jerusalem" sounds problematic, but it is clear that Joseph Smith knew, along with effectively everyone, that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, a suburb of Jerusalem. It would be very strange for Joseph to write it that way if he was making it up. However, unlike, those who wrote the Bible, Alma had never lived in the old world, but rather, he knew of and had a tradition of his forefathers who came out of the Land of Jerusalem. Alma had no intimate knowledge of the land and references the entire area as "at Jerusalem" as if you would reference a suburb of a major capital city as the capital itself. I live in Sandy, Utah, right next to Salt Lake City but if I'm visiting other places in the world and someone asks where I'm from, I'll start by referencing Salt Lake City and if they are more interested I will get more specific. Imagine if you had a limited space to engrave your thoughts. "At Jerusalem" is factually accurate and works within in the frame of who is speaking/writing. This criticism is actually evidence of The Book of Mormon's authenticity because Smith wouldn't have written it like that.
Quick comment: Nehor was put to death for murder, not for the false teaching by itself. It was because he sought to enforce his false teaching by the sword, that he was sentenced to death.
@@Jozeemoss Yes it would be, if the book wasn't true. But how could a book that was blasphemy have the power to transform so many millions of people's lives and bring them closer to Jesus Christ? It would seem odd to me for a false book to have that kind of power and that is what I have seen the Book of Mormon do in my life and the lives of so many people that I know.
@@stevenschmidt Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: Here is my question to you. How do you test a prophet? Deuteronomy 18: 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
It's easy to notice all the details within a book when you've grown up with the Book of Mormon like I have all my life. Missing the chiasmus is definitely not a bad thing!
We have many years of study, he has tried to get Alma in 1 reading. It is not possible. It is a start, and a valiant one. It was fun to see his evident excitement about some of the things he was seeing.
I didn't know what chiasmus was the first (or probably umpteenth) time I read Alma. Unless you're very aware of it, and perhaps looking for it, I wouldn't expect others to recognize it. Pastor Jeff is trying to get through a lot of material in a short time, so he won't pick up on things that most of us take years to learn about or appreciate.
The word "epistle" was often used anciently to describe more official communications during wartime. For example during the Napoleonic Wars. Makes sense that it is used during these war chapter communications.
yeah, its sad to hear him skim past two laminate kings who have such powerful born again experiences, and not have any opinion at all about the nature of the Jesus who saved those guys. I've been waiting months for him to read those two stories just to get his thoughts on them. bummer.
Exactly what are his motives? Genuine Question All I know once you experience the Book Of Mormon you won't be able to leave it alone so either it changes his spirit or he gains a witness of its truth
He is not looking to change he is looking to learn. In order to feel the power of the book of Mormon he has to want to change. But, he doesn't. This is pretty much academics, it seems. But, it's still respectful which is why I enjoy it.
Re: Alma 11, I feel like you skipped the concept of temporal death and resurrection. As a recent convert, I realized just this week that I had not understood this myself as a doctrine that somewhat differs from my childhood understanding of what comes after the end of mortal life.
I am grateful for your videos on the Book of Mormon. As a Latter-Day Saint I have read the Book of Mormon many times, but love the bird’s eye view you give it and how you tie it into the truths of the Bible. 🙂🙏💕
The Yukatek Mayan word uchi means "and it came to pass" or "and then it happened and is very common in pre classic and classic Mayan inscriptions. "Classic Maya" is the time which writings began to emerge more abundantly. The Book of Mormon took place in the late pre classic and early classic stages of Maya culture. Names such as "Kishkumen" are very much early classic names that may have originated by the Olmecs but are definitely a part of epi-olmec culture. The name Kix (Spanish spelled Mayan words with sh sound with an x because the sh word didn't exist in Spanish at that time) means stingray spine, ku means ruler, men is a certain day in a group of days used in the Maya calandar. In regards to the lamanites and especially Lamoni by name, the word for siblings or brothers is iitha". The word Lamanai means submerged crocodile and is one of the few places where the original name of a Maya city was preserved.
I live in Western NC. I grew up just south of Asheville, and I now live west of Asheville. If you have never even lived in the US, saying those things makes NO sense, nor is there any context. So.... It's easier to say I live in Western NC near Asheville than to give you my street address and have you not comprehend anything about where I live or what that has to do with anything. The same is true with the statement of "He will be born at Jerusalem". It's easier to say that as a general area rather than the specifics. Not everyone could read to begin with, and NO ONE from America was going to travel across the ocean to find the details! ;) They did have the information in the scriptures, but they had generalized by that time because it was just easier. Simple to understand, and this is one of the OLDEST questions and arguments. And if Joseph wrote this, he would have gotten it right because he would have researched it. This is another example of why this was NOT written by Joseph.
00.22:11 An interesting fact about the BofM translation is inadvertently point out by Hello Saints here. When Mormon was abridging the records onto his own set of large plates remember that they were made of sheets of gold and Mormon had to be careful about making mistakes as they could not be erased. Here he obviously makes a mistake by calling them weapons of peace because there are no weapons of peace but unable to erase it he then proceeds to correct his mistake by adding the clarification of what he really meant by stating "or they buried there weapons of war, for peace". Now it is subtle but I believe this mistake can be an argument for the BofM being a translation rather than a work of fiction made up by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was commanded to translate the BofM literally from the gold plates, so any grammatical errors such as this would've carried over in the translation. If Joseph Smith had made the BofM all up in his mind then when writing it out this would've been such an obvious error that he would've corrected it immediately and therefore it wouldn't have been contained in our present day BofM. Now you might say then Joseph purposely put it there for that reason, but ask yourself this, it is such a subtle error it would take too much effort for someone who would be deceitful to come up with this as a means of arguing for the validity of a false work. Just the opposite would be the case because if Joseph Smith were a deceiver he would've spent too much emphasis on everything being grammatically correct because after all anyone who tries to pull off a masterful deception tries everything in their power to not look stupid in other people's eyes and they don't want to be caught by being sloppy in presenting their lie. I believe that these lines in verse 19 are one of those subtle events that points to the truth of the BofM being an actual translation of scripture by an actual prophet of God.
Smith never, as far as contemporary records attest, used the supposed plates in the dictation process for the text of The Book of Mormon we now have. In fact, at times, the supposed plates weren't even in the home. In essence, there was no "translation", unless you contort the word to mean something other than what it means. He did not look at the supposed plates and the characters on them, and translate that into English. He simply, according to historical accounts, covered his face with the hat so he could see the supposed glowing seer stone, and read the supposed words that appeared. Cowdery would read them back. No new words would supposedly appear until the scribe got it right. You proposition actually makes more sense with Smith fabricating the whole thing. He made a dictation error, caught it, and added a modifier. Smith didn't write the text, he dictated it. That is a huge difference. It's essentially a run-on of a dictation. Read the extant dictation manuscript. It's horrible. Grammar was added in the printing.
I'm an LDS Bishop. I love what you're doing. Please promise you'll eventually get to Moroni 10:3-5 and seriously ponder those words with a sincere heart. Thanks Pastor Jeff!
And then what. Why would he pray about something he knows is false . pS no one cares you are a bishop . That has no relevance to anything or anyone . Your a prideful person
Regarding the remains of the tens of thousands that fell in the battle. There would be absolutely no skeletal remains, because unburied bones can only last for a few years or even less. However, it the battle with captain Moroni, the Lamanites were killed while trying to scale the picket fences. There bodies were unceremoniously used as land fill to raise the hills to protect the Nephite cities. These bones were found in the Hopewell location. Today, people think of these remains as sacred Native Indian burial sites. Based on the Book of Mormon the site was anything but sacred. If you google Wayne May, he provides video evidences of this.
I'm so curious if God is all powerful, why let the fall happen if it wasn't good? "Repentance isn’t His backup plan in the event we might fail. Repentance is His plan, knowing that we will." -Lynn G Robbins
I think the reference to Jerusalem meant the general area. Remember these guys are across the sea and are referencing the land of their forefathers, they reference the whole region. Jerusalem is only about 5 to 6 miles from Bethlehem
Keep in mind the people in America were not familiar with the locations in Isreal. They would know of the general place that there ancestors had come from.
The spirit of God works the same way in all generations - including gifts. Their presence in the Church in the NT indicates a restoration, not something unprecedented.
The money system is so you can understand that ze(ezrom) is a reference to the lawyer who is out to get gain is named after the monetary value of an EZROM. It's a hebraism, of using names as meanings to create a pun or sorts. There's a LOT of names in the Book of Mormon names that have meanings behind them. Rather fascinating really. The other example you brought up was the Anti-Lehi Nephites being given a "land of inheritance" named Jershon, which from what i understand in hebrew would mean "a land of inheritance". Its a pun. They were given a land of inheritance named a land of inheritance. Pretty neat
Was it a pun? Yes, but the discussion of the monetary system was important to understand just how large a bribe Zeezrom was offering Amulek. Zeezrom offered Amulek 6 onties of silver to deny the existence of God. How much were 6 onties of silver? It is what a judge would have been paid for 42 full days of work. Considering that they would have worked 6-days a week, Zeezrom was offering Amulek seven full weeks of pay -- at a judge's salary. It probably would have taken most much longer to earn 6 onties. That would be a tempting offer for most people!
If evangelicals and Members of the Church focused on learning Hebrew, we could become an unstoppable force in testifying of Christ. And especially the Book of Mormon being another testament of Christ.
Alma43:45 is one of the reasons the heartland model makes so much sense… this land is the promised land, a land of freedom if the people will continue to be obedient to the commandments. The letter from Joseph to Emma and I’m paraphrasing, that they were traveling where the Nephites and Lamanites walked and finding their skulls and bones
Interesting to hear your thoughts on your read through of the Book of Alma. I would imagine that most Latter Day Saints are thinking what I’m thinking when we listen to your thoughts. You seem to be straining at gnats and giving very little attention to the very profound and central points of the Book of Mormon and its witness to Jesus Christ. One question - you seem to always get hung up on similarities between the New Testament and the Book of Mormon, or the ‘American zeitgeist’ and Alma. What do you make of these? I think the first reaction would be to think that Joseph Smith was some kind of New Testament savant and borrowed from the Bible to compose the Book of Mormon. I think most LDS who have seriously studied the Book of Mormon would agree that that is very nearly impossible. Especially when you compare Joseph’s other writings to the Book of Mormon. I would also point out that there are extensive ‘echos’ of the Old Testament in the Book of Mormon, and even echos and quotations of books mentioned in the Book of Mormon that are not in the Bible (Books of Zenos, or Zenock for example). Its also very well known that the New Testament authors echoed the Old Testament extensively in their writing. As another point, there were witnesses to Joseph Smith’s translation of the Book of Mormon and he had no sources at hand. It was also reportedly translated in about two to three months. So this is something that frustrates me as a member of the church of Jesus Christ of LDS. I never hear people outside of the church acknowledging the miraculous nature and inception of the Book of Mormon. It is truly a stumbling block for so many people. It’s an extremely complex Book, really an epic. Another question I would consider is if the book was really brought forth by deceptive means as some would like to believe. My question is not only how could Joseph Smith have done it, but more importantly - why would he have done it? Why use deception to teach about faith, love, hope in Jesus Christ, etc? Can an evil tree bring such good fruit? That is a question that I can’t get over in my head. If you believe in good and evil, then how could you use evil to bring about good? The Book of Mormon is the thing that brought me to the Bible and to Jesus and I still, even after decades of reading it, feel the fruit of the spirit when I read from it. The same spirit that touches my heart when reading the gospel of John is what I feel when reading the Book of Mormon. How can that be?
@@jeremysmith9694 that’s because Evangelicals don’t focus on feeling the Spirit because they think feelings are deceptive. That said, how can anyone receive a witness that Jesus is the Christ save they feel the witness of the Spirit testifying of that truth? They are blinded by their doctrines of sola scriptura that isn’t even a biblical doctrinal.
"My question is not only how could Joseph Smith have done it, but more importantly - why would he have done it?" How many wives did he have? 30? Well, there's 30 reasons...
@@EliasB100 Jesus said that wisdom is proven right by her children. If you are correct about Joseph Smith then this church would have devolved into corruption over a century ago.
@@jeremysmith9694 there are times I appreciate some of what pastor Jeff says. He does teach some truths, but yeah, he teaches of his own understanding and not with authority from God. You can tell. I do think he is doing a work for the Lord however in that he is bringing a conversation forward that needs to happen. I think inside he’s a good guy, but he is heavily blinded by the Evangelical mindset on doctrine. They are taught to beware of other religions rather than taught to recognize the fruits of the Spirit found in Galatians 5.
If you look up the word epistle in the 1828 Webster dictionary, it is simply a letter written to a distant person. "A writing, directed or sent, communicating intelligence to a distant person; a letter; a letter missive. It is rarely used in familiar conversation or writings, but chiefly in solemn or formal transactions. It is used particularly in speaking of the letters of the Apostles, as the epistles of Paul; and of other letters written by the ancients, as the epistles of Pliny or of Cicero."
Jeff's 9th mistake: He thinks the desire for liberty is too American. Yet, the idea of liberty comes from the Judeo-Christian foundation. The Liberty Bell has a verse from Leviticus inscribed on it. So, again, he must believe that only Americans cared about liberty. I guarantee that the children of Israel thought about it a lot.
I can appreciate that many of the powerful, strong verses that we enjoy in the LDS church within chapter 5 of Alma, are also standing out to you. Same statements or questions are just true no matter what you believe. Also, thanks for refraining from statements like “when Joseph Smith put this in” when you came across the explanation of money. For some people like yourself I can see why that would be a thought you’d have, and I appreciate the respect of you not saying it. Also, perhaps an unpopular opinion in the christen world, but I believe the original texts of scripture were much more specific about Christ and the doctrines taught than the scriptures we have today. Even within the current New Testament, Christ references principles that he said were well known, yet are hard to find in modern day Old Testament writings. To me it just shows how pure the translation of the Book of Mormon was, where as the Bible has clearly gone through centuries of translations and different editions. A lot can be lost (or even removed) during that time.
Another example of this is the story of the Wisemen coming to honor Jesus after His birth. These Wisemen, living in another country, obviously had access to prophecies that are not contained in our version of the Old Testament. Else, how were they able to recognize the signs of His birth while those around Jerusalem remained oblivious? Perhaps, as I speculate elsewhere, God speaks with more detail to some peoples than to others. Or, as you speculate, perhaps the Jews had such detailed prophecies, but they were lost over the centuries. In either case, the fact the Book of Mormon contains more detailed information about Christ and his ministry is not an indication that the Book of Mormon is false.
"lost over the centuries" certainly can happen. However, 1 Nephi chapter 13 verses 21-29 is very clear and explicit that the Bible went forth in purity from the mouth of the Jew. It explicitly teaches that many parts which are plain and precious, and many covenants, were purposely taken away by the great and abominable church for the purpose to pervert the right ways of the Lord, and to blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men. I think it's important that we do not downplay this by simply saying things were "lost in translation or lost over the centuries". This was done on purpose, and not over some large period of time. It was done suddenly as a result of apostasy and the loss of the Priesthood authority.
How can we understand sin? If we always were obedient? How can we understand to be good, not even knowing what was bad? How can we use our agency if we know choosing the opposite is wrong. Yet How are we free, if we can not choose. If God was perfect. Why did a third of heaven choose to follow Lucifer?
Long time viewer but first time commenting: Great job in tackling Alma! The verse that came to mind instantly when listening to you was John 21:25. The last verse of the 4 gospels. I appreciate your desire to learn from many books about Jesus. The more witnesses we have to testify of him the better. ( The Old Testament, The New Testament and Another Testament) Keep doing what you are doing brother! Thank you!
Jeff's sincere question: He asks if there is archeological evidence for large scale war in this hemisphere. Yes, Jeff, there is. Massive bone pits with thousands of skeletons have been discovered in the upper midwest and the east. The bodies have arrow points in them and many have their skull crushed in, men women and children. And the bodies are covered over with a shallow covering of earth, just like it is described in the Book of Mormon, as you will discover.
@@stever808 i didn’t say what I said because of needing to convince him. Nothing will convince Jeff save the Lord Himself. For if he hasn’t felt the Spirit by now when reading the Book of Mormon, it would take an experience like Zeezron or Alma to convince him. I said what I said because it would show many things about him and how he takes evidence and considers it.
@@stever808 that said, I just woke up from a dream of him being angry with me for the comments I make on his channel. I had a dream I got to sit down to dinner with him with my friend. And before saying grace on the food, he told me off and wanted me to stop making comments on his channel. I told him nothing because the dream shifted and but then it morning and he exited the building we were in. I tried to call after him to explain I was not intending to upset him, but to speak the truth God gives me and explain things that he misses because he hasn’t studied it for 30+ years like I have. Then I woke up and evil spirits were in my room. I think they were portraying themselves as Pastor Jeff to try to get in my head. It was creepy. I can sense he is annoyed at some of my comments because I do correct his understanding. But while he provides an off ramp, my hope is that I might help others have reason to believe and not lose their faith. Some topics are hard to grapple with and if I didn’t know what I know about the truth of the gospel, then I would not speak up. But it is true and I know it and I know God knows it so I have to speak up no matter who is annoyed by it. I’m not as perfect at charity as some because I get frustrated with the lack of faith in possibilities. I’ve always been an open minded person because I believe truth prevails. So I struggle to not be angry when the truth is right before them and they dismiss it. Like when he showed Alma 7:10 but didn’t show Alma 7:11.
great video,Pastor Jeff. as a fellow Latter-day Saint I don't read the bible ( old and New) and for that matter the Book of Mormon for the story, but in actually for the intention to know of Jesus Christ, his teachings, commandments and the character of the Chirst, The SON of GOD, and HIS( our) Father GOD. always looking for your visdeo through out the week and speically Sunday! may GOD be with you PASTOR JEFF!
I'm only at 8:46 so maybe this gets answered here, but the Day of Pentecost was notable in that there was a great pouring out of Spirit to all the people, but if I recall correctly, this was the signal that it time for the Gospel to be preached to the Gentiles and not just the children of Israel. So we see Spiritual gifts being granted to devout followers of God and Jehovah, who are of His chosen bloodline (which would include this group of Israelites who were led across the ocean, still direct descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Then the significant distinction of that great Day of Pentecost, was that now the Holy Spirit was being poured and shared to all people on Earth, the Gentile and the Jew.
I appreciate your videos. It is wonderful that bridges are being built. I took notice of one of your comments about where the Book of Mormon events took place based on the description of the land in it. While it is not church doctrine as to where it takes place, there is a convincing series on UA-cam by Wayne May who thinks it took place here in America with the Hopewell Indians.
Eve was not deceived. Satan actually spoke truth to her. He explained that if you eat of this fruit you will be as the Gods knowing good from evil. Keep in mind Eve knew God and as a child it’s natural that we want to achieve knowledge. Satan tempted her but he told her a truth that she recognized. Of course she wanted to have more knowledge and she “took the bate”. She said Satan beguiled me. The word beguile is used in both neg and positive circumstances but here because she said; “is there no other way” naturally Satan wanted her to sin but he sold the truth ever so charming. She made a conscious decision stating who told her the option and outcome which any of us would have done to eat the fruit that would help us become more perfected as our Father. The consequences we know.. there had to be a time for Adam Eve and the posterity to away from Gods presence in the perfect garden were he had visited frequently to be exposed to opportunities to make life choices. As we all fall short and the universal law prohibits someone unclean to live with God we needed a mediator ie Jesus. You are welcome to look me up and message me if you like further discussion
These are my favorites of your videos. I love your openness to read and then to honestly react. It is a great example of proving all things and hold fast to that which is good.
I highly recommend the one hour ish talk by John Bytheway called Righteous Warriors. Its a focus on the war chapters and what modern day gospel applications we can get from those chapters. I'm about your age and listened to it as a teen, and I absolutely love it. It helped open my eyes to scriptural application to my life.
Great video! Enlightening and enjoyable. Appreciate the timeline questions and Book of Mormon vs. Bible comparisons. Excited for your take on 3 Nephi and the coming of Jesus to the Americas. Keep up the good work!
So thankful for how respectful you are about the differences in our doctrinal views. If only we all showed such respect towards all religions, this would help us unite in love regardless of our differences. I personally am so thankful for the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ and all that it means to me personally. I have a son and his family are not of my faith, we have a wonderful relationship because we respect each other no matter our differences. We could not be more proud of our sons love for for his family and how Christlike they strive to live their lives!
Kudos, Pastor Jeff, you made it through Alma! I am impressed, to say the least, with your genuineness in reading and summarizing the B of M thus far. Well done, and thanks for your sincerity.
Summarizing all of Alma has been my greatest undertaking reading through the Book of Mormon. What did I miss?
At 38:13 you missed the opportunity to throw in Principal Rooney saying, "Nine times." 🤣🤣
Weren't scholars at the time of Jesus's birth also confused about where he'd be born? Also Alma and company wouldn't have lived in Israel and therefore would not have had intimate knowledge of all the cities there. Jerusalem may have been the only city passed down over the generations since that's where lehi lived
Haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but you likely missed the rest of Corianton's story.
People look at me funny when I say that Corianton is one of my Book of Mormon heroes. After all, he left the mission field to publicly chase after a prostitute. On the surface he doesn't seem like much of a hero.
But we need to know the rest of his story. This story is told very subtly throughout the rest of the book of Alma.
Alma, who was Corianton's father but also his mission president, reprimanded him severely in chapter 39, and then spent three more chapters teaching and clarifying doctrines about Christ that Corianton had questioned. And then he gave him this beautiful challenge:
"And now, O my son, ye are called of God to preach the word unto this people. And now, my son, go thy way, declare the word with truth and soberness, that thou mayest bring souls unto repentance, that the great plan of mercy may have claim upon them. And may God grant unto you even according to my words. Amen." (Alma 42:31)
The record shows that Corianton took these words to heart, was converted, and lived the rest of his life as an honorable and exemplary man. But you have to read closely to find the story.
Each of the following verses refers in some way to "Helaman and his brothers." Remember that Helaman had only two brothers: Shiblon and Corianton. So this phrase necessarily includes Corianton himself.
* Alma 43:1 -- They declared the word unto the people.
* Alma 46:6 -- Apostates rejected their preaching.
* Alma 48:18-20 -- They were all men of God, and they baptized those who repented.
* Alma 49:30 -- They declared the word and baptized.
* Alma 62:45 -- They initiate a revival in the Church, after many years of war.
Finally, Helaman dies at the end of chapter 62. Chapter 63:1-2 then praises the character of Shiblon, but notice the very last phrase:
"And he was a just man, and he did walk uprightly before God; and he did observe to do good continually, to keep the commandments of the Lord his God; AND ALSO DID HIS BROTHER."
Of course, that unnamed brother was Corianton. Like so many of us, this man made some really dumb mistakes in his youth, but he experienced a mighty change of heart, and lived his life such that he received a footnote in the Book of Mormon saying, "Corianton was a just man."
8:26 My brother, you're mistaken about tongues only being in the NT after the day of Pentecost. It's all throughout the OT, it's just called prophesying. Men like David were "numbered among the prophets". What changed, was it was no longer a temporary anointing, it was an indwelling, we became the Temples of God.
10:39 I wrestled with this too until I realized that in 1 Nephi, while on the boat, God reveals the Gospel to Nephi. He did this because the "veil over their eyes" was no longer needed. The veil was there so that they would crucify Christ and not give Him a throne. So it's not an unreasonable thing for them to know about it.
Alma notes that Jesus would be born “in the land” of Jerusalem not “the town” and Bethlehem being less than 10 miles away would have been considered to pertain to “the land” of Jerusalem
Indeed, the reference to Jerusalem makes sense in a Book of Mormon context since the people in the Americas always considered themselves wanderers in a strange land, whose home was really the Jerusalem from which they came.
I think we have to be careful to not think about distance in the same way we do today. Today 10 miles away may take about 15 minutes to drive to, but back then it could have taken 5-7 hours to walk this distance. Considering other historical texts don’t reference them as being in the same “land”, I don’t think it was the general consensus that they were in the same area.
It's important to remember that the group of ancient Israelites who had left the land hundreds of years before, would have no idea where Bethlehem was. All they needed to know is that Christ was born in the general area where Jerusalem was, the land they had left 500 years previous.
I agree. The Nephites at this time probably wouldn't have known the geography of the old world, only that Lehi and his family came from Jerusalem. Saying that Christ would be born in Jerusalem meant he would be born in the land of their forefathers.
It is about 5 miles. No doubt a foreign prophet would describe the “land of Jerusalem” as encompassing Bethlehem.
Dude, your dedication to read through and understand the Book of Mormon is an inspiration. I can only hope that the rest of us can seek to understand the religious texts of other faiths as well. Bravo, man!
To venerate fiction to Gospel is blasphemy.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
@@Jozeemosspen your mind stop limiting God to one book
@@Ericksosasculptor
Matthew 24:
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Jeremiah 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
The Bible is a library 66 books. Joseph Smith's "translated"/defiled Bible along with other made up scripture is in opposition to the truth since the Bible was never lost. 1,000 manuscripts of the Old Testament oldest of which date to the Dead Sea Scrolls year 150 Before Christ. 5,800 manuscripts of the New Testament oldest being found again in the Dead Sea Scrolls year Anno Domini 70. Thats right, the oldest New Testament manuscript dates to just 35 years after the death and resurrection and validates the mainline Bibles of today! Unless of course one believes Joseph Smith set those 6,800 manuscripts right with his vandalised text.
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It's not either this BOM passage is based on the Bible or the Bible is based on this BOM passage. There is a 3rd option: God revealed His truths to different people in different parts of the world. That's what "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" means to Latter-day Saints.
Another possibility, is that both the Book of Mormon and New Testament are both quoting from some common older, now lost source of scripture.
@@michaelbennett7561 which is why all scripture including the Bible must be revealed from a prophet who is also a seer and revelator also to be considered scripture. My son asked me today how people would “know” Jesus’s experience in Gethsemane if the Apostles writing it were all asleep. The answer is that they had it revealed and written AFTER the fact by revelation. Else they could not know.
You are amazing!
Amen to that! No comparison needed. The Book of Mormon and Bible don't need to mirror each other exactly. God loves all his children. So why would he not reveal things to people on another continent? It is another Testament of Christ.
My thoughts exactly.
When you find "overlapping ideas," they are simply eternal principles revealed to prophets in different epochs.
Exactly! The two books support each other
Exactly. They witness to the constancy (and consistency) of God's word to all of His children.
So many reasons he brings forward to suggest they are a “copy” rather than a second testimony.
@Zion. Yep that has been my biggest critique. I wish he would read it and say does the Bible allow this interpretation, instead of I have my interpretation, does the Book of Mormon agree with it.
Pastor Jeff: To thine own self be true.
Having been a missionary for the Church and having gone to foreign country to speak I can say that our beleif in the gift of tounges is in that we are able to preach in the native tounges of those of whom we are called to teach. In the Book of Mormon there was need for this gift when they came across those in Zarahemla whos language became lost. I beleive that is when God would have helped them by giving the gift of tounges. I beleive God works with us and grants what is needed for the time, just like on the day of Pentacost. His methods vary but his gifts are to aid his work.
The early LDS church did the “speaking in tongues” thing you’d see in a pentacostal setting
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss Didn't all protestant religions begin the same way by challenging the understanding of what is known? Gotta keep an open mind. Why tell God what he cannot do rather than considering that he may have actually done it?
@@ryanellsworth7246
Jeremiah 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
A couple of quick notes at the beginning:
Nehor was executed for killing Gideon, not for being a false teacher. The chapter makes it clear that religious freedom was available and that the law could have no hold on a man because of his belief.
Second: Alma 7 states that Jesus would be born "at Jerusalem, which is the land of our forefathers." Nephi did not make much known to his children concerning the things of the Jews. Other than the things mentioned on the brass plates, they did not have much specific awareness of that land. They knew it as "the land of Jerusalem." It's kind of like if people from our time colonized another planet, and 500 years later their descendants speak of "Earth" or possibly "America," instead of a specific location like "Columbus, Ohio." That shouldn't surprise us.
Thanks!
It is also important to note the word "at" instead of "in". This infers it was the area of Jerusalem and not within Jerusalem itself. And as Ryan mentions, if I meet someone while in Texas I would tell them I am from Boise. However I really live outside Boise in a town called Meridian. But they wouldn't know Meridian, so I refer to the nearest place they would know. This is what Ryan describes as the audience here would know Jerusalem, but not smaller places around it.
Most everyone tries not to speak of Columbus Ohio!! lol Goblue!!
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
@@suem6004
Are you German? Do you think all Bible translations come from a German Bible? What are you trying to say exactly? Martin Luther was a German who translated a Bible from the original manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew into German for the common people in his country. All credible translations of the Bible come from the original Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.
Joseph Smith wrote blasphemous fiction that is at odds with Bible and venerated it to scripture as well as uttered contradictious prophecies which disqualifies his authority. Joseph Smith's "translated"/defiled Bible along with other made up scripture is in opposition to the truth since the Bible was never lost.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
There are 1,000 manuscripts of the Old Testament in its original language of Hewbrew. Oldest of which date to the Dead Sea Scrolls year 150 Before Christ. There are 5,800 manuscripts of the New Testament in the original Greek. Some of the oldest being found in the Bodmer Papyri year Anno Domini 150. Thats right, the oldest New Testament manuscript dates to within 50 years after the Apostles first gave the word and validates the mainline Bibles of today! Unless of course one believes Joseph Smith set those 6,800 manuscripts right with his vandalised text.
"King James Bible"
John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
"Joseph Smith Translated Bible"
John 1:
1 In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God.
Which one is correct the one that is backed up by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Bodmer Papyri? Or the one that strips our LORD and Saviour of deity reducing him to a demigod and the Trinity to a polytheistic orgy?
Isaiah 43:
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
God makes the Gospel simple for our protection. Things that are different are not the same. True Christianity bares all three witnesses of God (1Father, logos, logic, mind, reasonable) (2Jesus, body, archaeology, heart, tangible) (3Holy Ghost, feeling, soul, spiritual) The truth shall set you free but clinging to pride instead of leaving the Pharaoh is hard since the first step is always the desert.
Matthew 22:37 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Salvation is though saving faith which produces works. A false profession of faith does not produce works. And works put before saving faith does not produce saving faith. The order matters. If the first of the ten Commandments is broken
Exodus 20:
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
then salvation is in jeopardy. Works don't matter if it's for made up Gods that cannot save. Only a cult would say do blind works and call it faith when actually it is prideful arrogance. Faith is enlightenment not blindful obedient action.
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That was my thought as well. Tell anyone that a bio-weapons lab was discovered in Tel Aviv and most people would have no clue where that is. But say 46 of them were found in Ukraine and most people will know where that is.
Nehor wasn't executed for being a false teacher, he was executed for murdering Gideon.
Yeah haha when he said that I was like... Wait, what??
If I recall correctly in the trial Alma mentions that he was enforcing his teachings with the sword. So I can see where confusion about why he was being put to death came from. He was executed for murder, but the Bible bash was why he murdered.
Yeah, I have been up and down on my gauge of Pastor Jeff's sincerity level. When he presented this info, and made Alma look like an early Catholic or Protestant, putting people to death because they don't believe correctly, I wondered, 'is he reading this or simply skimming through it.' For me, that was a low point. It seemed like he either hadn't read the story or was intentionally trying to skew in order to malign. I finished the first section and was done. I have literally spent way more time reading these comments.
@James Anderson Yes. Nehor was trying to enforce his anti-Christ teachingswith the sword. He was executed for murder - not for his teachings.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Of course there are some major differences between the LDS church and 'mainstream 'Christianity! If it was exactly the same, why would God and Jesus need to come and restore the truth and set up his church? I am so grateful for the greater knowledge and understanding that comes through the restoration.
THIS 🎉
Absolutely! 🤗
I don’t understand: Mormons get upset when people say they are not Christian yet call all Christian denominations are an abomination. We were told to be proud to be called a Mormon yet now they say that Mormon is of the devil. I just don’t get it.
Ok, Jesus coming fulfilled the law. More like, why would Jesus even come in order to start another religion? Jew and Gentile. Which do you fall under? Lds call themselves new Israel and that is cultural appropriation at its finest. Exalting yourself lessens Jesus, and God's chosen people that are to live my rules are jews. Js inserted himself in. What other prophet wrote himself in?
@@athomas9070 it isn’t cultural appropriation actually, because we are the seed of Abraham. We are the lost 10 tribes of Israel. Ephraim and Menasseh and the others have Jewish roots. And we are of Israel.
Alma 24:30 is a game changer. As someone who once had faith in the church and has now fallen away from it, that really resonated with me. I will be going to church this sunday.
Referencing Jerusalem vs. Bethlehem. We lived in a place called Harlem, GA. The small town is mostly unknown outside of the Augusta, GA area. Therefore, when people ask where we lived before moving to North Carolina, we say Augusta. Based on the time frame when Alma is speaking (more than 500 years after Lehi's family left Jerusalem), there really wouldn't have been anyone who knew the geography of the area. But, if they knew their history, they would recognize Jerusalem.
Excellent
I know where Harlem is!
Many places are known by the larger town or city in the area. I grew up near the New London Submarine Base. It wasn't in New London, it was in Groton but New London is much for identifiable and is the county's name.
I tell people "Las Vegas" if they aren't familiar with southern Nevada, but "Boulder City" if they are. Boulder City is 15 minute's by freeway from downtown Las Vegas.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Nehor wasn’t executed for being a “false teacher;” he was executed for murdering Gideon. "At" Jerusalem is less specific than "In" Jerusalem. That's why Peter wasn't "in" the fire but rather "at the fire" in Mark 14:54.
Woah, Alma Allred in the comments section! I recently watched all of your discussions on Ancient Paths TV.
@@ClintRay2578 Yeah, I was translated, but had to come back because I wasn't translated correctly...
To elevate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss How have you concluded that the Book of Mormon is a work of fiction?
In the Bible, Revelations tells us that nothing is to be added to or taken away from the Bible. This is why Christians will not accept a "supplement" to the Bible. We will reject anything except the Bible.
Alma 36-42 is filled with pure gold, especially 39-42, where Alma speaks with Corianton his son. There are so many points where sin is very bluntly said will lead to Corianton's destruction, but God's grace and love completely radiate, and it's made so explicitly clear that even though he was a missionary who decided to run after a harlot, Corianton is still loved by God and by his father.
Additionally 40-42 give an excellent summation of why there needed to be a savior: God wants desparately for all of us to come back to him, but no unclean thing-a consequence of sin-can do that. Thus, a Savior was needed to step in and satisfy Justice while also satisfying God's Mercy.
@William Kremin exactly. It's not weighing the good vs the bad, but without the Atonement of Christ to cleanse us, we are restored to evil
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss troll
@@Jozeemoss You are correct. But to reject the true Gospel is tragedy and will bring eternal regret. Your responsibility is to find out for yourself which this is. Read and ask God. God's Word has brought nothing but joy to me. I love the Book of Mormon and the Bible both with my whole heart and soul. They have kept my family close to God and protected them from Satan's trickery in this horrible time. They support each other and clarify each other. In the mouths of two witnesses shall all truth be established.
@@lorisimpson4535 How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
When a truth is taught in the book of Mormon that predates its teaching in the old world, that doesn't mean that yhe book of Mormon plagiarized it. It means that God teaches his children the same truths in all lands. If you have multiple kids, you understand. My kids matured at different paces, and i let one do something before their sibling because they were ready at a younger age. How do we even know that the passage in Peter wasn't common knowledge peior to it being written after the time of Christ? Truth is truth, whether it happened before or after Christ.
Sometimes it feels like we can't win. If the book of Mormon teaches new doctrine, we get attacked. If it teaches accepted doctrine, we get attacked. Maybe God wants his children on both hemispheres to have the same knowledge.
Agreed !
Agreed, i think it's just hard to accept when a likely alternative is plagiarism. I just say that cuz i see how this things could be difficult to accept when plagiarism seems like such an easy explanation. And i am wondering how to find ways to express how we justify our beliefs in response to an accusation or question about plagiarism.
Also also, I'm glad you didn't just say well the bible is just flawed so 🤷🏽♂️
Bcs that's always a cop out for when the Bible and the BOM don't seem to coincide.
I agree. I enjoy these videos, but it's interesting what he points out as concerns. For a silly example, the commentary about those writings not being true epistles....The definition of epistle is "a letter." And, Captain Moroni and Pahoran are, indeed, writing letters back and forth.
@@j-golden7927 I don't think plagiarism is valid, regarding The Book of Mormon (it is for the JST of the Bible, for example). I think the more accurate term would be amalgamation. Smith, very creatively, dictated a story that amalgamated a ton of things from his surroundings / time period / culture, etc.
@@rodneyjamesmcguire It's too internally consistent and complex for that approach to be real. It would take more time, means, and talent to put the BoM together than Joseph had, so that leads to it being created by someone else, which there is no evidence for.
I'm an English teacher, and in my undergrad English classes we read epistolary novels that were precursors to the modern novel. They were popular in 18th century British literature. The protagonist communicates with other characters through letters and that is how the plot advances. An epistle in the broader context of literature outside of the New Testament is a letter. There's no need to be formal or teach a moral lesson in the letter.
This caught my attention as well. Epistles of Pliny to Cicero for example. Where the 1828 Webster dictionary defines an epistle as:
“A writing, directed or sent, communicating intelligence to a distant person; a letter; a letter missive. It is rarely used in familiar conversation or writings, but chiefly in solemn or formal transactions. It is used particularly in speaking of the letters of the Apostles, as the epistles of Paul; and of other letters written by the ancients, as the epistles of Pliny or of Cicero.”
Interesting - thanks for the info, and this is exactly what the letters were. Sharing intelligence in a formal setting of war.
Not to mention the 1828 dictionary mentions an epistle being an important letter
Besides, including the word ''epistle' in the BoM did not come from Joseph Smith... he got it from the ''hat.''
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
As a Latter-Day Saint I truly appreciate the honest opinion you give on our faith and how you don't try to condemn us for our beliefs
To venerate fiction to Gospel is blasphemy.
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Also- we definitely missed out on hearing Alma 7:11-13. One of the greatest witnesses of the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@JozeemossDo you want to explain why you say the Gospel of Jesus Christ found in the Book of Mormon is "fantasy"? Willing to have some respectful dialogue.
@@nahtanojization Defensiveness and fear are often the first reactions to new ideas. Openness and curiosity follow if courage wins. I hope this person chooses this path.
Don’t worry he will feel the spirit and it will touch him eventually.
@@nahtanojization @lorisimpson
@marshasuemadsen
All I'm after is honest dialogue! My first question is this, how do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I absolutely love these videos! Especially the ones where you read from the Book of Mormon.
I was hoping you talked about the conversion of Lamoni’s father and the 2000 stripling warriors. But I know there is so much to talk about in such a short period of time. Thank you for doing this! I am thoroughly enjoying them.
This is one of my favorite parts of the Book of Mormon and further shows how someone who is fallen can be redeemed - in this case Ammon, Lamont, and Lamoni’s father. They were all fallen (and in some ways stricken down) and then redeemed. What a cool message for all of us!
Man, Lamoni’s dad continues to inspire me. This dude had power and wealth, and had major issues with prejudice. He ruled over many lands, and wasn’t afraid to drop the hammer when people were out of line. But when he caught a small glimpse of God’s power-that it was based on love, not genetics-he latched onto it with all he had. We don’t read much about him after this conversion, but if you sort of connect the dots underneath the text, you see a man who gave up everything earthly to learn about the heavenly. Lots of people in the kingdom became serious Godly warriors, and raised the next generation with that fierce love for righteousness. Lamoni’s dad showed me that one person’s conversion can literally affect hundreds of thousands of people over time. This dude was awesome.
@@adamsmith4584don’t forget Zeezrom. Dude was an educated basher-looking to entrap and/or bribe Alma and Amulek, but then, in the end, accepted the gospel at great peril to his own life.
If I were not already familiar with the BofM I would have a hard time tracking all of the descriptions, names, places etc that were summarized. You did an awesome job trying to condense an enormous amount of information into 45 minutes. I would encourage anyone not familiar with the BofM to read it for themselves and evaluate the text as another testimony of Jesus Christ. As I read the BofM I have an incredible appreciation for what Jesus did to pay the price of sin for me and shows me the Savior has the power to heal even those that feel they are beyond healing. If either the Bible or the BoM are read from the lens of a historical document, neither will produce faith enough to change. However, both are more than historical documents. Thank you Pastor Jeff for exploring and sharing your journey. My prayer is that we all can be respectful of each other’s journey as we grapple with historical inconsistencies or incomplete understanding, but we are all seeking redemption from the Savior of the World.
The Bible is irrefutably an ancient text. There's an extraordinary amount of physical evidence for the physical things it describes (places, cultures, history, people, etc.). From that reality, people then base faith on the supernatural claims. But if there were essentially no physical evidence for the backdrop (places, cultures, history, people, etc.), or even that it was a valid anciently written text, any faith in the supernatural elements of it would be a blind faith. Blind faith is dangerous, because with it, we can "believe" anything.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Nehor was executed for committing murder, amoung other crimes. Not just for being a false teacher.
To raise a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
2 points:
1. If you are reading the BoM because you are curious to find out what LDS people believe, you have to focus on what it teaches about Jesus. The story is nice, but it's not why we read the BoM. We read it to learn of Christ.
2. Way to go with pronunciation! I know lots of members of the LDS church who don't pronounce half of those names correctly. It doesn't really matter; it's not a sin to pronounce things differently. But it looks like you checked out the pronunciation guide, and I appreciate that.
If that's the case, then you should throw out the book of mormon because it is a fairy tale, a book of deception. Go read the CES letter and start your awakening.
Then, pick up the Bible and learn who the True and Living Holy YHWH and His Messiah is.
On point number one, he sure does seem to be taking Jesus out of the Book of Mormon. Even though he's literally on every page.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Can you quit replying to every comment- we get it you don’t believe the BofM- well your comment isn’t helping anyone it is spam and annoying
@@TheHappyNarwhals How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I am an older lady, tucked away in her Granny shed in a little corner of England, watching your video of Alma readings, like your previous offerings. May I say how much I appreciate your open mind as you honestly apply your intelligence and enthusiasm to your search for all truth, everywhere. Your heart is good and I'm sure Father will continue to bless you for your respect to those if us who began reading the Book of Mormon and living the truths of all scripture while you were still back home, awaiting taking your Turn on Earth. Keep going, and blessing me with your insights and understanding. You are a breath of fresh air, looking instead of merely dismissing and criticising as some have.
The Saviour is aware of every good work, cheering you on, i feel sure. 😊
The phrase “land of Jerusalem” shows up at least 40 times in the Book of Mormon as a reference to the famous Jewish city in Israel and its surrounding regions.1 The Bible, however, only portrays Jerusalem as a city, and never as a land. This apparent discrepancy actually drew some criticism in Joseph Smith’s day. In 1838, one writer insisted, “There is no such land. No part of Palestine bears the name Jerusalem, except the city itself.”2 Today, however, ancient sources have confirmed that anciently Jerusalem was understood as both a city and a land.3 As Hugh Nibley pointed out long ago, several of the Amarna Letters (discovered in 1887) refer to the “land of Jerusalem.”4 These letters represent the correspondence from the rulers of several Canaanite city-states to the Egyptian Pharaoh in the mid-14th century BC, including 6 from ʿAbdi-Ḫeba, the ruler of Jerusalem at the time.5 “Behold,” wrote ʿAbdi-Ḫeba, “the king [of Egypt] has set his name in the land of Jerusalem for ever; so he cannot abandon the lands of Jerusalem!”6 In the Dead Sea Scrolls (discovered in the 1940s), a story about Jeremiah talks about captives “from the land of Jerusalem” being escorted to Babylon.7 While the story itself most likely dates to around the first century BC, it is set in 587 BC in the aftermath of the final Babylonian invasion, and bears some interesting similarities to the opening chapters of the Book of Mormon.8
In addition to this evidence for the expression itself, archaeological evidence indicates that the phrase land of Jerusalem accurately reflects the settlement patterns specific to Lehi’s time. In the seventh century BC, “Jerusalem was located in the centre of a sort of district, which encompassed the capital and its periphery, including the agricultural areas of the city’s residents, as well as satellite settlements directly connected to Jerusalem proper.”9 These satellite settlements would harvest goods which were shipped back to the capital city to meet the needs of its growing population.10
According to Yigal Moyal and Avraham Faust, “One may treat the entire region, including … ‘satellite’ settlements, as part of Jerusalem’s own hinterland.”11 Thus, Nephi’s use of the phrase land of Jerusalem may have appropriately referred to Jerusalem itself and the “hinterland” that surrounded it.
Significantly, these circumstances were unique to the seventh century BC. “Never before in the history of the region,” explained Yuval Gadot, “were there so many sites of different functions and size around Jerusalem.” The reason for this population growth around Jerusalem, according to Gadot, was the devastation of the Judean countryside by the Assyrian army at the end of the 8th century BC. “Jerusalem survived but the Assyrian assault had a devastating impact on the kingdom,” forcing populations to relocate to the regions immediately surrounding Jerusalem.12 Hence, as Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise observed, the expression land of Jerusalem in the Dead Sea Scrolls’ story about Jeremiah “greatly enhances the sense of historicity” of the narrative, since at this time Judah “consisted of little more than Jerusalem and its immediate environs.”13 By the same logic, the phrase land of Jerusalem “greatly enhances” the Book of Mormon’s “sense of historicity” as well, seeing that it portrays Lehi as Jeremiah’s contemporary.14
That is very interesting.
Yeah - that makes a lot of sense. An apparent error to some that in fact validates the Book of Mormon once again.
‘Greatly enhances its sense of historicity’ is a bit of a stretch. If your going to use this to support the claim the BOM is true, what do you with the evidence that prove it is false?
It would seem to boil down to two possibilities. It’s false, and some things appear to be coincidental, or it’s true and you need to overcome all the problems raised in the translation process.
@@Mmmmmk247 I am simply using it to answer a question posed by the Pastor... I don't need it for any other purpose. We now know that others in the past refered to Jeruselem in the same way. You can call it a lucky guess or a validation of Joseph Smith, but that depends on your faith...
@@dreamfire5210 faith in Joseph smith is odd. Just put it all on Jesus.
When you see some truthlike things overlapping both in the Book of Mormon and in the Holy Bible. It reasons with me that truth is truth no matter what, where, how, or when it is revealed. Truth is the way something is, was, and will be. It should not change. Therefore, it has to be the same in the Book of Mormon, the Holy Bible, or any other books.
Unfortunately, it is not the same. It is contradictory.
@Rodney James McGuire with Protestants I've seen it where if it doesn't contradict the Bible but goes exactly with the Bible, Joseph Smith is accused of plagiarism. If it's something outside of Biblical norms, it's "contradictory." Therefore, the whole thing is darned if we do or darned if we don't when it comes to comparing the Book of Mormon to the Bible.
What parts are you specifically saying are contradictory? Please don't use generalities such as the "the whole thing" that just tells me you probably haven't read anything and just trying to attack.
@@BrianTerrill Yah, there is definitely a darned if you do, darned if you don't aspect, to all of this.
Just the idea of receiving the Holy Ghost in Alma is contradictory, as Jeff points out. There are many other contradictions.
@rodneyjamesmcguire that's not a contradiction between the Book of Mormon and the Bible6's a contradiction in how you read the Bible vs. what the Bible actually says about the Holy Ghost. Many falsely assume the Holy Ghost first came on the Apostles at the Feast of Pentecost, but let's look at what the Bible really says:
" For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 1:21)
So clearly, every prophet of old spoke when moved by the Holy Ghost.
" For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb." (Luke 1:15)
So John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost even in his mother's womb.
"8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?" (John 3:8-10)
It's obvious from this passage that Jesus is making the point that we need to be born of the Spirit early in his ministry, and chastened Nicodemus for being a ruler in Israel and not knowing these things, meaning these principles were already revealed to Israel but for whatever reason, not being taught by the Jewish leadership at that time.
"24 ¶ And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the Lord, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle.
25 And the Lord came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.
27 And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
28 And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them.
29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!" (Numbers 11:24-29)
So even in the Old Testament, the Holy Ghost was operable. What that shows is that Jesus was not bringing something new but something lost and restoring it.
So there are no contradictions in the Bible and Book of Mormon. Rather, there are contradictions over some perceptions some have in regards to the Holy Ghost and how it is related to the Pentacost.
@@BrianTerrill Wow, what an extreme example of not knowing the Bible, while proof-texting from it...
Nobody said the HG wasn't of influence previously (in the OT, and elsewhere).
There's a difference between that and what happened to Christians at the Pentecost, which had not happened previously.
John 14 clears this up, as something happens after Jesus's earthly time was past. Future tense.
And again, The Book of Mormon does contradict the Bible in many places.
Pastor Jeff, great and interesting discussion as always. Couple points from section 1:
1. Unfortunate that you didn’t cover the beauty of Alma chapter 7 discussing how Christ’s sacrifice not only covers our sins, but also our weaknesses, our pains, our sicknesses. I love this part of Alma.
2. I don’t believe that the day of Pentecost was the first time the Spirit of God attended God’s children in such power. Why do you think that? Do you not suppose that it was present in the City of Enoch? Didn’t Jesus tell Peter that it was in fact the Spirit, and not flesh and blood that testified to him that Jesus was the Christ?
3. The prophecy of Joel as quoted by Peter is not Peter saying “this day of Pentecost is the last days, and today is the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel.” After all, it wasn’t yet the last days when Peter said that. I believe Peter was saying “in Joel, the prophecy of the last days says there will be these witnesses of the truth, and today you are seeing the same outpourings occur.” In that context, there is no issue with Alma teaching that tongues are a gift of the Spirit.
4. Omni 1:25 in the Book of Mormon also references the gift of tongues. Again, in the history of the world, why would God bestow the gift of tongues starting only at that point in time? And why fixate on tongues anyway? There are other gifts of the spirit equally as powerful, if not more so.
5. Chapter 13 and the discussion on the holy order of the Son of God wasn’t touched. This is a very important chapter as it links Melchizedek, Abraham, Christ, the holy order of the priesthood, the ordinances of the temple, and the Spirit of God that was bestowed on people anciently (long before the day of Pentecost). This is AN EXTREMELY important connection, and also suggests that, as much as I love the Bible, that there are missing links from the KJV that the prophets of the Book of Mormon clearly knew and understood about the ancient days from the Brass plates of Laban.
Your #5 is exactly why a born again Christian WILL NOT accept LDS. In Revelations, the Bible states that no one is to add to,or take away from the Bible or we will deal with the consequences. I'm not trying to be rude,only honest !
You should do a reaction video about the Articles of Faith! They are essentially 13 brief statements that summarize the main points of what Latter-day Saints believe. It could be a good way to look at the basic doctrines and compare them to mainstream Christian religions.
I second this!
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Wow! That’s an impressive summation of the Book of Alma!
I thought I’d share my understanding of the Latter-day Saint view of the fall. First, it’s important that we do not simply believe we are trying to return to heaven to be with God. We believe we are learning to become like Him. We believe that coming to mortality was risky business, but necessary for our progression. I think about my children. On the one hand, I would never take their hand and put it on a hot stove to teach them not to touch. On the other hand, if they ever did, they would definitely learn from the experience. Similarly, God created a world where we could live and learn to choose between good and evil, but it would not be right for Him to force us to come. It was a choice we had to make. The up side of the fall was that Adam and Eve made the choice to open the door for other spirit children of God to come to earth. The downside, of course, involves all the tragic parts of the fall, namely sin and death. But, of course, the fall was not a surprise to God. He had a plan in place already, and that plan was to provide a Savior, who could, in turn, open the door for us to return, if we put our faith in Him.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Both the Amarna letters and the Dead Sea scrolls make reference to "the land of Jerusalem". Bethlehem is located within what would have been considered the land of Jerusalem. In my experience, this is the most common explanation.
The fact that every school child knows Christ was born in Bethlehem is why this stands out. That's what it seems like it SHOULD have said. Nowadays we know that anciently they regarded the area around Jerusalem as the land of Jerusalem. There were enough obscure hamlets that the nearest major city would be the most helpful/relevant landmark.
I enjoyed this video. You're over the hump! Just a few books to go.
…or Joseph Smith screwed up. 😀
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@Harry Henderson Ok, I just have to say I love your name because it makes me think of a favorite childhood movie. 😀
Oh, and I guess I'll add that I love how people can't decide if Joseph Smith is a genius, an idiot, just lucky, or a Prophet. 😂
Often in the Bible when it says "at" Jerusalem it's referring to places or cities near or just outside of Jerusalem.
At face value I would have guessed Joseph Smith is a genius even though he only had an elementary school education.
While a vast number of people in the world do not believe the Bible is true or that Jesus is the Christ or that the stories of Him are true, regardless of how much evidence supports it could be true, they will never come to a knowledge of the truth of it without a witness of the Holy Spirit that it is true.
In the same way, regardless of how much evidence there is thus far, or that we put forth, or that will continue to come forth to support that the Book of Mormon could be true, and how much the Bible and Book of Mormon support one another, no one can come to a knowledge of the truthfulness of it without a witness of the Holy Spirit that it is true.
But one can read and experiment upon the words of both and then ask God if they are true. Then, only a witness from the Holy Spirit, in God's timing, will one know for themselves that they are true.
This is how I gained a testimony that both the Bible and Book of Mormon are true. Together, they bear witness to the world of the reality of Jesus Christ, that he is the Messiah, that only of Him and by Him and through Him can we return to the Father.
This is the greatest message God wants the world to know.
And he has given us two witnesses from two different sides of the world to help the world know of this truth.
@@josephine79 I find the evidence against the BoM overwhelming, sorry. I’m glad it makes you happy though.
@Harry Henderson @Harry Henderson Would you be interested in seeing the overwhelming evidence that supports it? And even then, as I've said before, only the Holy Spirit can let you know it is true without a shadow of a doubt because then it is knowledge from God.
Also, thank you - it does bring happiness into my life and peace as it strengthens my testimony of Jesus Christ, brings the Spirit, and helps me become closer to God. This is the purpose of the Book of Mormon.
Can't the story of the garden of Eden be both a tragedy and part of the plan? Pastor Jeff says what Evangelicals believe is vastly different than what Latter-Day Saints belive, but then he went on to explain exactly what Latter-Day Saints believe. What Pastor Jeff never mentions is whether the fall was part of the Father's plan. Does he belive God made a mistake here? If not, then wouldn't the fall be part of the plan and therefore good, like Latter-Day Saints believe?
I would have also been interested to hear what he believes would have happened if the the Fall did not occur
Satan divides, God unites. I am grateful to see more interfaith bridges being built. Thank you for your efforts.
May we all learn from and love each other to become ONE as Jesus Christ taught.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Satan divides
@@azerwhite8870 How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
@@Jozeemoss …what? You quote scripture at me but you teach with contention. Not the way of the Lord.
@@azerwhite8870 Are you afraid of the question how you test a prophet? Truth doesn't offend except the proud in heart. Tell me where I am wrong in my logic so that I may correct.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.
Proverbs 16:18
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirt before a fall.
P. S. You sound great on the sax if that's you playing on your channel. I played trombone when I was in school.
None of the people in Alma’s time were familiar with Israel’s geography, I’m sure. They knew their ancestors had come from the land of Jerusalem, so they said that Jesus would be born in Jerusalem. That’s what makes sense to me.
To raise a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Pastor Jeff, first I want to thankyou for making these videos. I have learned so much from the insights that you have given over this series. I did want to comment on the topic of the fall of Adam and Eve. You have noted several times through the series that evangelicals believe that the fall was a tragedy and "Bad" and that is commonly held belief by Latter-Day Saints is that it was a "good", and this is one of the major differences between the two. I suggest that we are asking the wrong question all together, "good or bad" is a matter of perspective and your definition of "good" and bad". The question that we should be asking is was the fall of Adam and Eve necessary? All Christians (including Latter-Day Saints) believe that redemption from the fall through Jesus Christ is necessary but was the fall necessary in the first place? What would have happened if Adam and Eve never fell?
I used to joke that the Garden of Eden portion was a Kobiyashi Maru test of sorts. A no-win situation (they were going to fall, because it was necessary for us to learn to know good from evil, which was not possible in an environment when all that existed was good. So, this "unavoidable" fall was always known, and that Jesus Christ's role was already in place as a savior.
The "good vs bad" dichotomy exists because the "fall" is seen in a negative light. The point is that WITHOUT the fall, WE could not gain the knowledge that was only possible THROUGH the fall. It's a short-term "bad" with a long-term "good". In other words, similar to a child who has to know what being burned feels like before the lesson is embedded that fire hurts, with a longer term understanding to avoid exposure to fire where it will hurt you.
To elevate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
"Pastor Jeff" does it all the time. He is a troller.... Move on...
"He shall be born of Mary, AT Jerusalem"
Definition of "At": used as a function word to indicate presence or occurrence IN, ON, or NEAR.
"He shall be born of Mary, at (NEAR) Jerusalem."
Hope this helps. 🙏🏼
For latter-day saints, the similarities of passages, like the ones you mention, are in fact evidence of the divinity/veracity of the Book of Mormon. If both books are testaments (witnesses) of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, then it would logically follow that there'd be similar teachings/passages. 1 source of divine truth (God), 2 locations
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr that's a completely different thing. This is more akin to two scientists discovering the same thing, independently of one another. Followers of Jehovah (Jesus) teaching the same gospel are inevitably going to express the same concepts in similar ways, even occasionally nearly identically, regardless of their location, because their source for the truth is the same: revelation through the power of God.
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr are archeological findings a suitable foundation for faith? Biblically speaking
To clarify, I'm not saying that they can't be something that starts or supports someone through their faith journey, just that from my study, the foundation of Christian belief should ultimately rest on revelatory and relational experiences with God through the Holy Spirit
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr if you want study for what the holy ghost does and how to recognize it, here's a few good references I really like. 1kings 19:12, Matt 16:17, John 14:26, James 1:5, Acts 8:12-17, Acts 19:1-6
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr I'm sorry you feel that way. You seem to have some biases (fair enough, we all do) against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I get that there are some differences of teaching, but there's no need to disparage or belittle others for those differences.
Pastor Jeff, thank you for all of the work that you are doing. There is something I feel like needs to be a change with what you cover in these videos. The purpose of the Book of Mormon is to testify of Jesus Christ, hence, "Another Testament of Jesus Christ." I feel like there needs to be more emphasis on what the book is teaching about Jesus Christ, despite how different it may be to the standard Bible Belt views. I enjoy that you give an outline of the story that is given in the Book of Mormon, but I would strongly suggest putting more effort into explaining what the book is saying about Jesus Christ. I am excited to hear your thoughts on 3 Nephi. Keep up the great work!
I wish he only came to it and referred to the book for what it is.
And didn't pick his parts based only on what he agrees or not.
This hurts to know Jeff is getting influence and many people will skip the BoM just because they won't find in his videos that Christ is spoken of at all!
And when Jeff does mention him, it's to pick Him apart. Because they already feel that we have a false Jesus.
Karl Jenkins (the producer of the Chosen) has seen more without picking of this book than Jeff has after attending to temples, conferences, and reading the book.
The difference is in the intention of the Heart.
@@elhimxreynoso9655 I didn't think about this and how important it is. You're absolutely right. It makes me so sad to think of all the people that will come to these videos thinking they are getting and in depth analysis with everything they need to know about the Book of Mormon, but with the size of the Book of Mormon, that simply isn't possible. You can't touch on everything, and Pastor Jeff's focus is on something different. The difference and similarities between what he believes compared to what he reads in the Book of Mormon.
Jesus Christ is what matters to us. He is the center. Everything and everyone else points to Him. That is the entire point of the Book of Mormon and the entre point of our church.
And unfortunately He is what is getting lost in this process.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss You are absolutely right. But we not believe it is a work of fantasy. It is a true record of Christ's gospel in ancient America translated through the power of God, and I can testify of that.
I'm not going to force my religion or my belief upon you. It sounds like you have found God and love God and I am ecstatic for that for you! I hope you continue to love him and feel him in your life.
I just felt that I should respond truthfully. You are welcome to call it blasphemy because you are very welcome to see it that way.
All we see it as is Gospel.
Thank you for your comment and I hope you have wonderful day! 😄
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How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Pastor Jeff, you are probably one of the smartest non-LDS preachers that has ever read the book of Alam. It is remarkable!!!
Listening to you keep track of all these plotlines. It's amazing.
The Book of Alma, being a lengthy and complex book within the Book of Mormon, contains multiple plot lines that intertwine and develop throughout its chapters. It would be challenging to provide an exhaustive list of all the plot lines, as the book encompasses various historical, political, and spiritual narratives. However, I can highlight some of the major plot lines that are prominent in the Book of Alma:
1. The Conversion and Ministry of Alma: This plot line focuses on the personal journey and teachings of Alma the Younger, who undergoes a dramatic conversion experience and becomes a prophet and leader among the Nephites. It explores Alma's efforts to preach the gospel, establish churches, and contend against wickedness.
2. The Conflict with the Amlicites: The Book of Alma includes a significant plot line involving the conflict between the Nephites and the Amlicites, a group of dissenters who seek to establish a king and overthrow the Nephite government. This narrative explores the military confrontations and political struggles between the two factions.
3. The Anti-Nephi-Lehies and the Lamanites: Another important plot line revolves around the conversion and experiences of the Anti-Nephi-Lehies, a group of Lamanites who renounce violence and become followers of Christ. This narrative explores their faithfulness, the challenges they face, and their interactions with the Lamanites.
4. The Zoramites and the Zoramite Mission: Alma and his companions embark on a mission to the Zoramites, a group of Nephite dissenters who have established a false and prideful form of worship. This plot line focuses on their efforts to teach the Zoramites, the rejection they face, and the lessons learned.
5. The Wars and Contentions: Throughout the Book of Alma, there are several plot lines related to wars, conflicts, and contentions among different factions and groups. These narratives highlight the consequences of wickedness, the role of righteous leaders, and the preservation of the Nephite civilization.
6. The People of Ammon and the Lamanite Conversion: The Book of Alma also includes the narrative of the People of Ammon, a group of former Lamanites who embrace the gospel and become a significant force for good. This plot line explores their conversion, their dedication to nonviolence, and their positive impact on the Lamanite society.
These are some of the major plot lines found in the Book of Alma. It is worth noting that these narratives often intersect and overlap, creating a rich and multifaceted account of the Nephite civilization, its challenges, and its spiritual development.
But, you gave no credit to Joseph Smith for being capable of such complex plot lines.
and remember that Joseph Smith had very little formal education.
…so Joseph Smith should get credit for the complexity of story lines in the Book of Mormon? Did he write it?
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
@@BGCflyer the point he is making is that if it’s not from God as we know it is but “man made” then Joseph came up with some pretty detailed plot lines that weave together tremendously and contain such powerful testimonies of Christ. Obviously we know it wasn’t him but is an inspired work of God
It's interesting when you plug passages of Alma, Mormon, 1st Nephi, Jacob and Joseph Smith's 1832 history (which he actually wrote) into CHATGPT 4.0, and you don't title it Book of Mormon but keep the passages untitled (and I've tried this now several timest to see if I could get CHATGPT to give me different results), the analyse shows clearly that Joseph Smith did not write the Book of Mormon (at least they are not anything he could have come up with his writing skills). Chat GPT also references that 1st Nephi and Jacob were written possibly by the same writer, but there are differences. It also clearly points out Alma and Mormon were written by someone who is more direct and concise then in 1st Nephi and Jacob. So it doesn't prove it's a translation, but it doesn't prove it's not. Chat GPT does though prove multiple writers or editors were involved in writing the Book of Mormon. Which would conform with faithful LDS members view of how it was translated and published. The reason the plot lines are complicted is because it's not written by Joseph Smith.
The Jerusalem reference doesn't bother me, since Jerusalem is probably considered more as a land than as a city to the descendants of Lehi who only know it from their history. I hadn't clued into the gift of tongues reference being prepentacostal before. I feel like the Church Alma established was much more aligned to the Church Christ would Himself establish later. They still followed the Law of Moses but only due to it not being fulfilled in Christ yet. It makes sense that more New Testament teachings and gifts would have been revealed to them because they were ready to receive them.
The Old Testament prophets had the Melchizedek priesthood, but the people of Israel rejected the higher law, and God, at the mount with Moses, and so were given instead the 10 commandments and the laws and ordinances of the Aaronic or Levitical priesthood. Thus pre-Mosaic times, so, from Adam down to the time of Joseph of Egypt, the people would have been taught the higher law and used the higher priesthood also. Jehovah, through Moses, couldn't restore his full gospel to the apostate children of Israel who left Egypt, so it was left until later, when Christ essentially restored his own (Jehovah's) church again.
The reason the Book of Mormon always feels so much more Christological, or New Testament-esque is precisely because the Nephites (being Manasseh) werent restricted in this way. They were led by prophets who ordained and ministered in the Melchizedek priesthood (hence having the gift of the Holy Ghost which only pertains to the higher priesthood). This also explains why they were in the end utterly destroyed, since they sinned against far greater light than the Jews or other Israelites did, as Moroni points out in his own writings.
The apostasy across both the old and new worlds, meant that much later on it was up to Joseph Smiith to restore it again. We are, at the end of it all, a restorational church. The Book of Mormon, along with the Bible shows this cycle of apostasy and restoration only too clearly.
@@niroms8199 That's correct - when it's worded "at" Jerusalem instead of "in" Jerusalem it's referring to the region near and around Jerusalem.
@@niroms8199 it is also interesting to look unto the phrasing of the land of Jerusalem and how Alma fits in
I look forward to the video titled, “Pastor talks about the Plan of Salvation.”
He has already done one, along with the Gospel, and the Godhead, among several others, though it would be interesting to redo them now that he has acquired additional knowledge.
He did them already but with limited understanding. He knows more now than he did.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Well... We are just Creatures that happen to have the image of God...
But Jeff might say... Nooooo, we can't be his spiritual Children. Noooo... The preexistente cannot be a thing...
(we know lucifer was cast out of heaven... But yet, noooo, there isn't such thing as God Gathering us to help us understand how to be like him).
Ofcouse, what father among us having a son who asks for bread gives him a Stone?
But then, what father doesn't want his children to grow, gain experience, and become even like unto themselves....
But yet, nooooo, that's no a thing with God. No one can pursue being like your father in heaven. (yeah, the Holy Ghost helps you change... But unto what???? Surely not like the father)
This narrative is so Christless.
We are ALL His spiritual children. He weeps when we fall away because we are not only creatures, but HIS children.
He wants us to progress like himself.
He loves us beyond comprehension. We are no experiment. We are created in his image because we are his descendants.
God knows it all. The end since the beginning.
He knew that Adam and Eve would fall.
He gave them that Commandment for that special reason.
He didn't cast lucifer from heaven to hell directly for a reason. Instead, he sent him to earth to tempt Adam and Eve.
The plan is beautiful. And allows us to use agency. One of the most beautiful gifts EVER.
@@Jozeemoss it isn’t fiction
From a context standpoint I think it makes absolute sense why Alma would say that Christ would be born in Jerusalem and not Bethlehem.
Alma is teaching a people who are hundreds of years removed from living in the Middle East. Telling the people that Christ would be born in Bethlehem would be meaningless to him and them - because they likely don’t know where Bethlehem is. But telling them that he would be born in Jerusalem - context for which they would be familiar as it’s the ancestral home they left from - makes a lot of sense.
Frankly to me that is contextual evidence for the genuineness of the Book of Mormon.
At Jerusalem
Pastor Jeff, I appreciate your discomfort with the references to Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon. Something that might help is to realize that the Book of Mormon began with Lehi and his family leaving Jerusalem because it was going to be destroyed due to their lack of faith regarding the coming of the Savior (remember Jeremiah was contemporary to Lehi and prophesied prolifically). Lehi and his family already believed in the coming of the Messiah. Lehi, Nephi, Jacob, Alma, etc., all had visions about the coming of the Savior...very detailed visions. They were blessed with that spirit of revelation. Of course there were those who lost interest in that and got comfortable with the business of being mortal and instant gratification, but Alma had a very recent and profound experience with the Lord that he was called to share. Truly, the Book of Mormon is all about the coming of, and mission of the Savior.
I also feel that if we say that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, Then why shouldn't there be those gifts of the Spirit at all times of the history of this world?
Love that you’re mentioning how things are similar to the Bible at times. God teaches His truths to all of His people- of course there are similarities:)
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss I’m sorry you see it that way. I know the feelings the Holy Ghost has confirmed to me of the Book of Mormon. They are the same feelings when I read of Christs earthly ministry in the New Testament. Of course to me it makes sense that those who God has revealed His truth to will have similar promptings and feelings, especially when the conditions of the people may be similar.
Jeremiah 17:
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
Mathew 22:
37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
God makes the Gospel simple for our protection. Things that are different are not the same. True Christianity bares all three witnesses of God (1Father, logos, logic, reasonable) (2Jesus, body, archaeology, tangible) (3Holy Ghost, soul, feeling, spiritual) The truth shall set you free but clinging to pride instead of leaving the Pharaoh is hard since the first step is always the desert.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Find God with the triad of being that is reflected in all of us after His image (body, mind & soul). Faith is (logical, spiritual, tangible).
If you go back and reference 1 Nephi, you'll note that Nephi says his father dwelt "at Jerusalem". But in 1 Nephi 3-4, it's clear that his father didn't actually dwell _in_ the city of Jerusalem (after gathering the riches left behind in their flight into the wilderness, the brothers then travel _to_ the city of Jersualem). So if nothing else, the use of "at" vs. "in" is internally consistent here within the Book of Mormon.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
This video felt like it was 10 minutes...that's how involved I was :)
I was anxiously waiting for this video. Probably my favorite one. So much happens in Alma and it is the book within the Book of Mormon that changed my life. Alma the Younger, Ammon, and Moroni all give me hope.
Once again, you did AWESOME breaking this down. So many similarities to our current day, that is why the Book was meant for our generations now to learn important things, just as we do from the Bible.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Well... He intentionally skipped Christ. He said it.
Just because it doesn't fit his description of Christ.
Christ is the essence. And if he skipps Him intentionally... Well, he is just detouring people who have never read the Book, and (after watching his videos) will conclude that the book is Christless.
It is clear. He is not trying to convert. So if he is not, then what is he Doing?
He is trying to provide an alternative to any LDS whose testimony is dwindling.
Jeff feels he is doing us a favor.
But little did he Know he is doing the opposite.
Hello Pastor Jeff!👋 Captain Moroni was such a rock star that the abridger (editor) of the BOM, Mormon, named his own son Moroni after him! This Moroni is the final writer in the BOM and the same Angel Moroni who visited Joseph Smith.
Alma 14-15 focusing on the the missionary companionship of Alma & Amulek is amazing. The people killed were people that Amulek knew and loved. The fact that Alma took Amulek into his own house at the end of Chpt 15 makes it seem like Amulek’s own family might have been some of the martyrs. =(
Alma 49 is a chapter we teach the youth about being so prepared against the weapons of Satan that he will be astonished.
The Book of Alma is rich with meaning. The importance of missionary work, preparations as we war against Satan, political strife. I can so clearly see how the Book of Mormon is a parallel for our day and time.
This is what I wanted to say. It's so fun to consider how thoroughly Mormon (who was a great war commander) revered Captain Moroni.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemosstell me, has any fruit come from commenting this on every single comment thread? Or you mostly getting thorns?
@@jtalb64 There be trolls in these woods.
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How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Im grew up as a latter day saint, growing up i looked for every reason i could find, to figure out if this was the true church, i had went through every possible thing against the book of mormon and the church and the one thing i could not let go was how almost every book of mormon story was identical or simmilar or easily inspired by a biblical story. I want to testify that searching through that doubt of mine was what lead me to the holy spirit communicating to me that the church was true and was the start of several personal communcative experiences with God. I actually still dont have a definitive answer on that subject, however, i know that a lot of biblical language used is largly because in the translation process it was translated in a way that was not exact to the word but exact to the bible using audience.
Joseph and his friends were well versed in the King James Bible, the latest edition at the time. So he wrote the Book of Mormon similar to what he knew.
@Mmmmk at the same time they'res a lot of context in there that is correct and was not discovered until our lifetime and an original understanding of hebrew in the pearl of Great price.
@@mavinswapp9663 who is your comment directed at.
To elevate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
39:36 this is why it’s really important to stop reading the book of Mormon as much as a historical document, as it is a narrative of prophecy for America. Not to say that it isn’t a historical document. But it is so much more than that. Are you listening? This Book is a Mirror to our day.
I make comparisons between the book of Alma and what is going to today all the time. I really wish that Pastor Jeff would have spent any amount of time on the Title of Liberty as it mirrors our current day Constitution. The fight that was going on between the freemen and kingsmen mirrors a lot our political discourses today where there are those that are wanting more freedoms and those that are asking for more government intrusion and regulation. This chapter to me is proof of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon as it was written for our time and as this shoes it has the blueprint for how we fix our current situation.
@@hardee33 yeah seriously how come he focused on Moroni killing the king men, and not on any of the similar constitutional issues that we are finding ourselves surrounded by today. I don’t have a problem with him bringing things forward that he views as anachronisms, but there are some very key things that he is just glossing over and it’s very frustrating. But I also understand that he only has an hour or less to make this video. I wish he had broken it up into two different videos because there’s so much in Alma that he is missing.
Alma and Moroni are awesome, I love when Alma talks about faith and how it is compared to a seed that needs to be nurtured with an eye of faith in the fruits. I love how Moroni wants freedom for his people as well as Nephi did, it reminds me of political issues today but also spiritual matters. The video didn't feel long at all! ♥♥
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Honestly, having it all in one video was SO worth it! Not only was it informative and well-put, but it was fun watching you work through it like we all do, trying to piece everything together. I loved it!
How did you comment 1 day ago but the video was posted 4 hours ago? Is this evidence of time travel? Haha 😂 j/k
@@netherquartz8946 I'm not saying it is our it isn't, but I can tell you that you don't win the lotto in the next couple of days. Sorry, dude.
@@DannyAGray Good to know. I won't get my hopes up 😀
@@netherquartz8946 🤣🤣🤣
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Just one of my favorite chapters - Alma 32! It is such a wonderful explanation of how to plant faith like a seed and nurture it so it grows. It, hand-in-hand with the Savior's parable of the sower in Matthew 13, was instrumental in developing my own faith in Jesus Christ and how to be not only "good soil", but well-watered and sunlit so the seed thrives.
If you nourish the seed of faith, it will become knowledge. The first principle of the Gospel is faith in Christ. The second principle is repentance. Alma 37:9 repentance is to know the Lord and rejoice in Jesus Christ our redeemer.
And there is so much in just that chapter alone! He could do another 45 minutes on it. Then there is Ch 5 the repentance chapter. So much content!
Thank goodness for the further light and knowledge given through continuous revelation. IF the fall of Adam and Eve was "bad and the worst, or biggest mistake ever made" it would cause me to question the Omnipotence of God.
He doesn't make mistakes..nor does he leave eternal things to chance. His plans are perfect!
The "traditional" interpretation of the events of the Garden are a huge problem for logic and reason.
This interpretation of the fall makes creator seem as fallable as his creation.
So true. Very well said.
Yes. God knows the end from the beginning and for that, I’m thankful. He is in control always. ❤
Not to mention, if that "biggest mistake" to ever happen had not actually happened, none of us would be here to talk about it.
I completely disagree that God doesn’t leave things to chance!
God is not boring; he is Creative and Awesome
God rolls rice, with entropy sources that are unknown, even to God !
God is big enough for this
Love potion number 9 is a gamble
Concerning Adam and Eve, I wonder if there isn't a difference in the interpretation of "fallen" pertaining to what happened in the Garden of Eden. I get the impression that many Christians see it as a very evil state, such as what happened to Lucifer, making it very tragic.
Whereas, I see it more as fallen from innocence and the physical presence of God. Because Adam and Eve became aware of "right and wrong" they were no longer innocent. Being imperfect, and no longer innocent, they could no longer live in the presence of God; falling from the face of God. Mankind thereafter, not being innocent or perfect is born in a fallen state.
I might add, if they remained innocent forever they may have never had children. Therefore the fall was necessary that we were even born, and here today to debate the whole story.
Jeff
We love Pastor Jeff.....he has been called of God to build these bridges. He stands as an example to ALL evangelical, LDS, Christians, religious and non-religious alike on what it looks like to speak to and about others with love and compassion. I've learned so much watching him interact with the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ.
As you listen to what he is saying, it's vital to understand the differences in the doctrine.
Evangelical Doctrine #1 - A Plan of Salvation where a few pre-determined select people will live with God again, while the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell due to no fault of their own, they were just born in the wrong place or time, not knowing who Jesus Christ was. Those who did not accept Jesus Christ into their hearts during their lives will suffer forever. For many Protestant denominations and The Catholic Church, this includes infants and children who were not baptized, resulting in the practice of infant baptisms.
Doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ #2 - We are ALL welcome to Come unto Christ, including those who do not hear of Christ in this life, children who die before the age of accountability, and those who have no understanding of Jesus Christ. He died for all mankind and He works tirelessly to help all of Heavenly Fathers children learn of and UNDERSTAND the blessings of the salvation offered through His atoning sacrifice. Heaven is MASSIVELY large, inclusive, where only a few will endure eternally suffering in outer darkness. We all have our agency to choose to follow Him, and to what degree we will follow Him, a little, or all the way.
I imagine Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ appearing to Joseph Smith in joyful anticipation, to usher in this final dispensation.
Jesus Christ suffered unthinkable pain in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross, in order to offer His mercy and grace to all mankind. He did this for every single person who will ever live on earth. He includes everyone.
John Calvin, Martin Luther and other reformers played an integral part in the eventual restoration of the gospel. They broke away from the false teachings and practices of The Catholic Church. We should celebrate a revere their courage to institute the practice of personal revelation, biblical truths, and the personal pursuit of truth. All these practices were bedrock in the religious practices of Joseph Smith, his family and surrounding religious culture.
Joseph Smith was reading The Bible as a youth BECAUSE of brave men like Martin Luther and John Calvin.
So much of what they taught was true, they just didn't understand some of these eternal truths that had been lost.
I see Pastor Jeff in a similar light. He treats LDS people and doctrine with respect. He is a friend. He is an example to us and especially to other Evangelical Pastors who have historically attacked Latter-Day Saints for differences in theology. I admire Jeff.
Like so many other Latter-Day Saints I'm rooting for him, just as I am for those in my neighborhood, ward, and family.
Great video!
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
Thank you for digging through Alma! The BoM changed my life and I need to re-study this entire Book of Alma. There are some great lessons in the war chapters like how even though they fortified the cities, because of pride, the Lamanites were able to take cities one by one. To me it means, no matter what we do on the outside, if we're not humble....we can be made humble.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
The definition of speaking of toungs referred to in Allma is not the same idea of what you are used to. It is the ability to speak foreign languages. It only occurs in the Book of Mormon after the Nephites find the Mulikites, who had a different language.
I also resurched this subject, and there were people influenced by the Holy Ghost in the Old Testament
But not the second comforter. That happened first, at Pentecost, in the NT. There's no equivalency to it in the OT, or before the Atonement.
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True, true, very very true. That is why I made the distinction that the Book of Mormon is not talking about the gift of tongues experienced in Acts when it talks about tongues in Alma. It was the learning of the language of the Mulikites some people have been given the talent of learning a language easily. And it comes from God, as do all gifts
I have been looking forward to this video for several weeks ever since you said it was going to be released today. I was thinking about this, coming home and watching it, while I was at church. Immediately after eating some lunch I went to my phone and the UA-cam app and found the video. I was not disappointed.
I’m looking forward to your take on the Book of Helaman as well as, especially, 3 Nephi.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Great job again Pastor Jeff! I too love how Alma describes the afterlife, spirit world, where we go when we die. Thank you.
I didn't expect him to agree with that view of the judgement awaiting resurrection and final judgment.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
at first the text reading "at Jerusalem" sounds problematic, but it is clear that Joseph Smith knew, along with effectively everyone, that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, a suburb of Jerusalem. It would be very strange for Joseph to write it that way if he was making it up. However, unlike, those who wrote the Bible, Alma had never lived in the old world, but rather, he knew of and had a tradition of his forefathers who came out of the Land of Jerusalem. Alma had no intimate knowledge of the land and references the entire area as "at Jerusalem" as if you would reference a suburb of a major capital city as the capital itself. I live in Sandy, Utah, right next to Salt Lake City but if I'm visiting other places in the world and someone asks where I'm from, I'll start by referencing Salt Lake City and if they are more interested I will get more specific. Imagine if you had a limited space to engrave your thoughts. "At Jerusalem" is factually accurate and works within in the frame of who is speaking/writing. This criticism is actually evidence of The Book of Mormon's authenticity because Smith wouldn't have written it like that.
Quick comment: Nehor was put to death for murder, not for the false teaching by itself. It was because he sought to enforce his false teaching by the sword, that he was sentenced to death.
To make a work of fantasy gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss Yes it would be, if the book wasn't true. But how could a book that was blasphemy have the power to transform so many millions of people's lives and bring them closer to Jesus Christ? It would seem odd to me for a false book to have that kind of power and that is what I have seen the Book of Mormon do in my life and the lives of so many people that I know.
@@stevenschmidt The same way the Israelites erected and worshipped a golden calf after being delivered out of Egypt.
@@Jozeemoss The Golden Calf wasn't leading people to believe in Jesus Christ. Quite the opposite, actually.
@@stevenschmidt
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked:
Here is my question to you. How do you test a prophet?
Deuteronomy 18:
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
I've been waiting so much for this viedo. Thank you Pastor! I love your content.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
How did you miss the chiasmus in Alma 36? It is incredible!
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
It's easy to notice all the details within a book when you've grown up with the Book of Mormon like I have all my life. Missing the chiasmus is definitely not a bad thing!
We have many years of study, he has tried to get Alma in 1 reading. It is not possible. It is a start, and a valiant one. It was fun to see his evident excitement about some of the things he was seeing.
I didn't know what chiasmus was the first (or probably umpteenth) time I read Alma. Unless you're very aware of it, and perhaps looking for it, I wouldn't expect others to recognize it. Pastor Jeff is trying to get through a lot of material in a short time, so he won't pick up on things that most of us take years to learn about or appreciate.
No it’s really not
The word "epistle" was often used anciently to describe more official communications during wartime. For example during the Napoleonic Wars. Makes sense that it is used during these war chapter communications.
He can read the words. I just wish he could feel the words.
yeah, its sad to hear him skim past two laminate kings who have such powerful born again experiences, and not have any opinion at all about the nature of the Jesus who saved those guys. I've been waiting months for him to read those two stories just to get his thoughts on them. bummer.
just finished the third block, and he didn't cover alma's conversion either. how frustrating.
Exactly what are his motives?
Genuine Question All I know once you experience the Book Of Mormon you won't be able to leave it alone so either it changes his spirit or he gains a witness of its truth
He is not looking to change he is looking to learn. In order to feel the power of the book of Mormon he has to want to change. But, he doesn't. This is pretty much academics, it seems. But, it's still respectful which is why I enjoy it.
Yeah, cause feelings always lead to truth…
Re: Alma 11, I feel like you skipped the concept of temporal death and resurrection. As a recent convert, I realized just this week that I had not understood this myself as a doctrine that somewhat differs from my childhood understanding of what comes after the end of mortal life.
To raise a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
I am grateful for your videos on the Book of Mormon. As a Latter-Day Saint I have read the Book of Mormon many times, but love the bird’s eye view you give it and how you tie it into the truths of the Bible. 🙂🙏💕
Yesss I've been waiting for your Alma video. Loved the insights.
The Yukatek Mayan word uchi means "and it came to pass" or "and then it happened and is very common in pre classic and classic Mayan inscriptions. "Classic Maya" is the time which writings began to emerge more abundantly. The Book of Mormon took place in the late pre classic and early classic stages of Maya culture. Names such as "Kishkumen" are very much early classic names that may have originated by the Olmecs but are definitely a part of epi-olmec culture. The name Kix (Spanish spelled Mayan words with sh sound with an x because the sh word didn't exist in Spanish at that time) means stingray spine, ku means ruler, men is a certain day in a group of days used in the Maya calandar.
In regards to the lamanites and especially Lamoni by name, the word for siblings or brothers is iitha". The word Lamanai means submerged crocodile and is one of the few places where the original name of a Maya city was preserved.
The Church's You Tube channel has a video "Life is unfair, in our favor" that explains how something can be both a terrible event and a blessing.
To elevate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
I live in Western NC. I grew up just south of Asheville, and I now live west of Asheville.
If you have never even lived in the US, saying those things makes NO sense, nor is there any context.
So....
It's easier to say I live in Western NC near Asheville than to give you my street address and have you not comprehend anything about where I live or what that has to do with anything.
The same is true with the statement of "He will be born at Jerusalem". It's easier to say that as a general area rather than the specifics. Not everyone could read to begin with, and NO ONE from America was going to travel across the ocean to find the details! ;)
They did have the information in the scriptures, but they had generalized by that time because it was just easier.
Simple to understand, and this is one of the OLDEST questions and arguments.
And if Joseph wrote this, he would have gotten it right because he would have researched it. This is another example of why this was NOT written by Joseph.
00.22:11 An interesting fact about the BofM translation is inadvertently point out by Hello Saints here. When Mormon was abridging the records onto his own set of large plates remember that they were made of sheets of gold and Mormon had to be careful about making mistakes as they could not be erased. Here he obviously makes a mistake by calling them weapons of peace because there are no weapons of peace but unable to erase it he then proceeds to correct his mistake by adding the clarification of what he really meant by stating "or they buried there weapons of war, for peace". Now it is subtle but I believe this mistake can be an argument for the BofM being a translation rather than a work of fiction made up by Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith was commanded to translate the BofM literally from the gold plates, so any grammatical errors such as this would've carried over in the translation. If Joseph Smith had made the BofM all up in his mind then when writing it out this would've been such an obvious error that he would've corrected it immediately and therefore it wouldn't have been contained in our present day BofM. Now you might say then Joseph purposely put it there for that reason, but ask yourself this, it is such a subtle error it would take too much effort for someone who would be deceitful to come up with this as a means of arguing for the validity of a false work. Just the opposite would be the case because if Joseph Smith were a deceiver he would've spent too much emphasis on everything being grammatically correct because after all anyone who tries to pull off a masterful deception tries everything in their power to not look stupid in other people's eyes and they don't want to be caught by being sloppy in presenting their lie. I believe that these lines in verse 19 are one of those subtle events that points to the truth of the BofM being an actual translation of scripture by an actual prophet of God.
Smith never, as far as contemporary records attest, used the supposed plates in the dictation process for the text of The Book of Mormon we now have. In fact, at times, the supposed plates weren't even in the home. In essence, there was no "translation", unless you contort the word to mean something other than what it means. He did not look at the supposed plates and the characters on them, and translate that into English.
He simply, according to historical accounts, covered his face with the hat so he could see the supposed glowing seer stone, and read the supposed words that appeared. Cowdery would read them back. No new words would supposedly appear until the scribe got it right.
You proposition actually makes more sense with Smith fabricating the whole thing. He made a dictation error, caught it, and added a modifier.
Smith didn't write the text, he dictated it. That is a huge difference. It's essentially a run-on of a dictation. Read the extant dictation manuscript. It's horrible. Grammar was added in the printing.
I'm an LDS Bishop. I love what you're doing. Please promise you'll eventually get to Moroni 10:3-5 and seriously ponder those words with a sincere heart. Thanks Pastor Jeff!
And then what. Why would he pray about something he knows is false . pS no one cares you are a bishop . That has no relevance to anything or anyone . Your a prideful person
I hope to become a Bishop just like you.
I am a church member as well and I like his commentaries on the book of mormon.
Regarding the remains of the tens of thousands that fell in the battle.
There would be absolutely no skeletal remains, because unburied bones can only last for a few years or even less.
However, it the battle with captain Moroni, the Lamanites were killed while trying to scale the picket fences. There bodies were unceremoniously used as land fill to raise the hills to protect the Nephite cities. These bones were found in the Hopewell location. Today, people think of these remains as sacred Native Indian burial sites. Based on the Book of Mormon the site was anything but sacred.
If you google Wayne May, he provides video evidences of this.
No, no, the bones of supposed Lamanites were not found in Hopewell locations. Wayne May is a laughing stock.
I'm so curious if God is all powerful, why let the fall happen if it wasn't good?
"Repentance isn’t His backup plan in the event we might fail. Repentance is His plan, knowing that we will." -Lynn G Robbins
Just finished watching to the end. Awesome video, Pastor. Really appreciate your effort in understanding.
To elevate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
@@Jozeemoss contention is from the devil.
I think the reference to Jerusalem meant the general area. Remember these guys are across the sea and are referencing the land of their forefathers, they reference the whole region. Jerusalem is only about 5 to 6 miles from Bethlehem
Keep in mind the people in America were not familiar with the locations in Isreal. They would know of the general place that there ancestors had come from.
Also compare to the term Land of Jerusalem, it is interesting
The spirit of God works the same way in all generations - including gifts. Their presence in the Church in the NT indicates a restoration, not something unprecedented.
The money system is so you can understand that ze(ezrom) is a reference to the lawyer who is out to get gain is named after the monetary value of an EZROM. It's a hebraism, of using names as meanings to create a pun or sorts. There's a LOT of names in the Book of Mormon names that have meanings behind them. Rather fascinating really. The other example you brought up was the Anti-Lehi Nephites being given a "land of inheritance" named Jershon, which from what i understand in hebrew would mean "a land of inheritance". Its a pun. They were given a land of inheritance named a land of inheritance. Pretty neat
Was it a pun? Yes, but the discussion of the monetary system was important to understand just how large a bribe Zeezrom was offering Amulek. Zeezrom offered Amulek 6 onties of silver to deny the existence of God. How much were 6 onties of silver? It is what a judge would have been paid for 42 full days of work. Considering that they would have worked 6-days a week, Zeezrom was offering Amulek seven full weeks of pay -- at a judge's salary. It probably would have taken most much longer to earn 6 onties. That would be a tempting offer for most people!
@David Walser good point 👉
If evangelicals and Members of the Church focused on learning Hebrew, we could become an unstoppable force in testifying of Christ. And especially the Book of Mormon being another testament of Christ.
@@DKWalser and perhaps they called him that to protect his real name. It’s like saying “money-bags guy”.
Or that he was from wealth, had wealth, and used wealth to bribe as it states in his name. His status was enough for people to listen and believe.
Alma43:45 is one of the reasons the heartland model makes so much sense… this land is the promised land, a land of freedom if the people will continue to be obedient to the commandments. The letter from Joseph to Emma and I’m paraphrasing, that they were traveling where the Nephites and Lamanites walked and finding their skulls and bones
It was about the Zions camp time
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
You are helping me complete my testimony
Interesting to hear your thoughts on your read through of the Book of Alma. I would imagine that most Latter Day Saints are thinking what I’m thinking when we listen to your thoughts. You seem to be straining at gnats and giving very little attention to the very profound and central points of the Book of Mormon and its witness to Jesus Christ.
One question - you seem to always get hung up on similarities between the New Testament and the Book of Mormon, or the ‘American zeitgeist’ and Alma. What do you make of these? I think the first reaction would be to think that Joseph Smith was some kind of New Testament savant and borrowed from the Bible to compose the Book of Mormon. I think most LDS who have seriously studied the Book of Mormon would agree that that is very nearly impossible. Especially when you compare Joseph’s other writings to the Book of Mormon. I would also point out that there are extensive ‘echos’ of the Old Testament in the Book of Mormon, and even echos and quotations of books mentioned in the Book of Mormon that are not in the Bible (Books of Zenos, or Zenock for example). Its also very well known that the New Testament authors echoed the Old Testament extensively in their writing. As another point, there were witnesses to Joseph Smith’s translation of the Book of Mormon and he had no sources at hand. It was also reportedly translated in about two to three months. So this is something that frustrates me as a member of the church of Jesus Christ of LDS. I never hear people outside of the church acknowledging the miraculous nature and inception of the Book of Mormon. It is truly a stumbling block for so many people. It’s an extremely complex Book, really an epic.
Another question I would consider is if the book was really brought forth by deceptive means as some would like to believe. My question is not only how could Joseph Smith have done it, but more importantly - why would he have done it? Why use deception to teach about faith, love, hope in Jesus Christ, etc? Can an evil tree bring such good fruit? That is a question that I can’t get over in my head. If you believe in good and evil, then how could you use evil to bring about good? The Book of Mormon is the thing that brought me to the Bible and to Jesus and I still, even after decades of reading it, feel the fruit of the spirit when I read from it. The same spirit that touches my heart when reading the gospel of John is what I feel when reading the Book of Mormon. How can that be?
@@jeremysmith9694 that’s because Evangelicals don’t focus on feeling the Spirit because they think feelings are deceptive. That said, how can anyone receive a witness that Jesus is the Christ save they feel the witness of the Spirit testifying of that truth? They are blinded by their doctrines of sola scriptura that isn’t even a biblical doctrinal.
100% this. Well said @andrewolsen2711!
"My question is not only how could Joseph Smith have done it, but more importantly - why would he have done it?" How many wives did he have? 30? Well, there's 30 reasons...
@@EliasB100 Jesus said that wisdom is proven right by her children. If you are correct about Joseph Smith then this church would have devolved into corruption over a century ago.
@@jeremysmith9694 there are times I appreciate some of what pastor Jeff says. He does teach some truths, but yeah, he teaches of his own understanding and not with authority from God. You can tell. I do think he is doing a work for the Lord however in that he is bringing a conversation forward that needs to happen. I think inside he’s a good guy, but he is heavily blinded by the Evangelical mindset on doctrine. They are taught to beware of other religions rather than taught to recognize the fruits of the Spirit found in Galatians 5.
If you look up the word epistle in the 1828 Webster dictionary, it is simply a letter written to a distant person.
"A writing, directed or sent, communicating intelligence to a distant person; a letter; a letter missive. It is rarely used in familiar conversation or writings, but chiefly in solemn or formal transactions. It is used particularly in speaking of the letters of the Apostles, as the epistles of Paul; and of other letters written by the ancients, as the epistles of Pliny or of Cicero."
Jeff's 9th mistake: He thinks the desire for liberty is too American. Yet, the idea of liberty comes from the Judeo-Christian foundation. The Liberty Bell has a verse from Leviticus inscribed on it. So, again, he must believe that only Americans cared about liberty. I guarantee that the children of Israel thought about it a lot.
Yes this struck me as odd, liberty is a desire in most human beings
I can appreciate that many of the powerful, strong verses that we enjoy in the LDS church within chapter 5 of Alma, are also standing out to you. Same statements or questions are just true no matter what you believe.
Also, thanks for refraining from statements like “when Joseph Smith put this in” when you came across the explanation of money. For some people like yourself I can see why that would be a thought you’d have, and I appreciate the respect of you not saying it. Also, perhaps an unpopular opinion in the christen world, but I believe the original texts of scripture were much more specific about Christ and the doctrines taught than the scriptures we have today. Even within the current New Testament, Christ references principles that he said were well known, yet are hard to find in modern day Old Testament writings. To me it just shows how pure the translation of the Book of Mormon was, where as the Bible has clearly gone through centuries of translations and different editions. A lot can be lost (or even removed) during that time.
Another example of this is the story of the Wisemen coming to honor Jesus after His birth. These Wisemen, living in another country, obviously had access to prophecies that are not contained in our version of the Old Testament. Else, how were they able to recognize the signs of His birth while those around Jerusalem remained oblivious? Perhaps, as I speculate elsewhere, God speaks with more detail to some peoples than to others. Or, as you speculate, perhaps the Jews had such detailed prophecies, but they were lost over the centuries. In either case, the fact the Book of Mormon contains more detailed information about Christ and his ministry is not an indication that the Book of Mormon is false.
"lost over the centuries" certainly can happen. However, 1 Nephi chapter 13 verses 21-29 is very clear and explicit that the Bible went forth in purity from the mouth of the Jew. It explicitly teaches that many parts which are plain and precious, and many covenants, were purposely taken away by the great and abominable church for the purpose to pervert the right ways of the Lord, and to blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.
I think it's important that we do not downplay this by simply saying things were "lost in translation or lost over the centuries". This was done on purpose, and not over some large period of time. It was done suddenly as a result of apostasy and the loss of the Priesthood authority.
How can we understand sin? If we always were obedient? How can we understand to be good, not even knowing what was bad? How can we use our agency if we know choosing the opposite is wrong. Yet How are we free, if we can not choose. If God was perfect. Why did a third of heaven choose to follow Lucifer?
Impressive review, Jeff! Thanks for the insights you shared.
Long time viewer but first time commenting: Great job in tackling Alma! The verse that came to mind instantly when listening to you was John 21:25. The last verse of the 4 gospels. I appreciate your desire to learn from many books about Jesus. The more witnesses we have to testify of him the better. ( The Old Testament, The New Testament and Another Testament) Keep doing what you are doing brother! Thank you!
Jeff's sincere question: He asks if there is archeological evidence for large scale war in this hemisphere. Yes, Jeff, there is. Massive bone pits with thousands of skeletons have been discovered in the upper midwest and the east. The bodies have arrow points in them and many have their skull crushed in, men women and children. And the bodies are covered over with a shallow covering of earth, just like it is described in the Book of Mormon, as you will discover.
He needs to invite some LDS scholars on his channel so he can discuss these evidences
@@stever808 i didn’t say what I said because of needing to convince him. Nothing will convince Jeff save the Lord Himself. For if he hasn’t felt the Spirit by now when reading the Book of Mormon, it would take an experience like Zeezron or Alma to convince him. I said what I said because it would show many things about him and how he takes evidence and considers it.
@@stever808 that said, I just woke up from a dream of him being angry with me for the comments I make on his channel. I had a dream I got to sit down to dinner with him with my friend. And before saying grace on the food, he told me off and wanted me to stop making comments on his channel. I told him nothing because the dream shifted and but then it morning and he exited the building we were in. I tried to call after him to explain I was not intending to upset him, but to speak the truth God gives me and explain things that he misses because he hasn’t studied it for 30+ years like I have. Then I woke up and evil spirits were in my room. I think they were portraying themselves as Pastor Jeff to try to get in my head. It was creepy. I can sense he is annoyed at some of my comments because I do correct his understanding. But while he provides an off ramp, my hope is that I might help others have reason to believe and not lose their faith. Some topics are hard to grapple with and if I didn’t know what I know about the truth of the gospel, then I would not speak up. But it is true and I know it and I know God knows it so I have to speak up no matter who is annoyed by it. I’m not as perfect at charity as some because I get frustrated with the lack of faith in possibilities. I’ve always been an open minded person because I believe truth prevails. So I struggle to not be angry when the truth is right before them and they dismiss it. Like when he showed Alma 7:10 but didn’t show Alma 7:11.
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great video,Pastor Jeff. as a fellow Latter-day Saint I don't read the bible ( old and New) and for that matter the Book of Mormon for the story, but in actually for the intention to know of Jesus Christ, his teachings, commandments and the character of the Chirst, The SON of GOD, and HIS( our) Father GOD. always looking for your visdeo through out the week and speically Sunday! may GOD be with you PASTOR JEFF!
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Pastor Jeff is playing for a different team, May the FORCE be with him!!! not...
That was like sitting in a Sunday school lesson. Well done!
I'm only at 8:46 so maybe this gets answered here, but the Day of Pentecost was notable in that there was a great pouring out of Spirit to all the people, but if I recall correctly, this was the signal that it time for the Gospel to be preached to the Gentiles and not just the children of Israel. So we see Spiritual gifts being granted to devout followers of God and Jehovah, who are of His chosen bloodline (which would include this group of Israelites who were led across the ocean, still direct descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Then the significant distinction of that great Day of Pentecost, was that now the Holy Spirit was being poured and shared to all people on Earth, the Gentile and the Jew.
I appreciate your videos. It is wonderful that bridges are being built. I took notice of one of your comments about where the Book of Mormon events took place based on the description of the land in it. While it is not church doctrine as to where it takes place, there is a convincing series on UA-cam by Wayne May who thinks it took place here in America with the Hopewell Indians.
Eve was not deceived. Satan actually spoke truth to her. He explained that if you eat of this fruit you will be as the Gods knowing good from evil. Keep in mind Eve knew God and as a child it’s natural that we want to achieve knowledge. Satan tempted her but he told her a truth that she recognized. Of course she wanted to have more knowledge and she “took the bate”. She said Satan beguiled me. The word beguile is used in both neg and positive circumstances but here because she said; “is there no other way” naturally Satan wanted her to sin but he sold the truth ever so charming. She made a conscious decision stating who told her the option and outcome which any of us would have done to eat the fruit that would help us become more perfected as our Father. The consequences we know.. there had to be a time for Adam Eve and the posterity to away from Gods presence in the perfect garden were he had visited frequently to be exposed to opportunities to make life choices. As we all fall short and the universal law prohibits someone unclean to live with God we needed a mediator ie Jesus.
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This was amazing! Thank you for your effort, and thoughts.
To raise a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
These are my favorites of your videos. I love your openness to read and then to honestly react. It is a great example of proving all things and hold fast to that which is good.
To elevate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
I highly recommend the one hour ish talk by John Bytheway called Righteous Warriors. Its a focus on the war chapters and what modern day gospel applications we can get from those chapters. I'm about your age and listened to it as a teen, and I absolutely love it. It helped open my eyes to scriptural application to my life.
To venerate a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
Excelent review. I like this video a lot Pastor Jeff. God bless you. Greatings from El Salvador.
To raise a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
awesome video once again. so fun to watch.
BTW, I LOVE these videos. Keep them coming!
Great video! Enlightening and enjoyable. Appreciate the timeline questions and Book of Mormon vs. Bible comparisons. Excited for your take on 3 Nephi and the coming of Jesus to the Americas. Keep up the good work!
To raise a work of fiction to gospel is blasphemy.
So thankful for how respectful you are about the differences in our doctrinal views. If only we all showed such respect towards all religions, this would help us unite in love regardless of our differences.
I personally am so thankful for the Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ and all that it means to me personally. I have a son and his family are not of my faith, we have a wonderful relationship because we respect each other no matter our differences. We could not be more proud of our sons love for for his family and how Christlike they strive to live their lives!
Kudos, Pastor Jeff, you made it through Alma! I am impressed, to say the least, with your genuineness in reading and summarizing the B of M thus far. Well done, and thanks for your sincerity.