Lets Try This Again - Sun Yat-Sen Second Impressions
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For 457mm, those shells hit like German 305
Yeah....this ship doesn't seem very good....
When Georgia's 457mm hit, you can feel it.
The best part? Huge penetration with lower base damage means you’ll Overpen everything (like the entire length of a light Cruiser broadside) while doing even worse damage than other BBs on Overpens. Especially when you’re facing T8 and T7, but plenty of T9/10 Cruisers as well.
You basically have to treat Cruisers like Destroyers and shoot HE at them instead. It is quite absurd. It is a weird-ass ship.
@@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll High penetration values have nothing to do with overpens. The only factors for overpenetration are fuse arming threshold, fuse time, and to a small extent, shell velocity. You could have a kilometer of armor penetration and not overpen, as long as your shell penetrates enough armor to arm and doesn't exit the ship before the shell detonates.
no bro ajajjaja
I like your videos regardless of the complaining you make. It shows you're human, thats why I watch your channel. You learn, just like the rest of us, and its nice to see the learning you go through. It spark debate, not only in yourself, but the rest of us as well to see what works best with any given ship. Thank you sir.
12 minutes into the battle, 31k damage, gotta be a really good ship
I appreciate the descent into insanity from last video.
I'm not gonna lie, that circle bit got me laughing pretty good.
I know it isn't the kind of content that you would like to make, but once in a while it's pretty hilarious. Sorry for getting such a kick out of you getting tilted PQ.
They really need to give protected matchmaking for Tier IX these days.
Supershits ruined it.
"Supershits", is a good term for that i think, lol.
Enjoyed both videos. In the 1st when you said Im getting close to the island, time to apologize again I lost it. You make great content...keep up the good work!
I miss the loop of complaining and apologising
I don’t lol, ruined the last video for me
It was quite entertaining seeing someone descent into insanity.
It was the funniest thing lol
@@johnnull6219 Just showed that we all suffer the same, regardless off CC, pro player or normie.
I prefer a Review to show all sides of the game and be honest instad of just cherry picking and saying everything goes well in this game. Showing him getting frustrated is actually important, because it shows the experience you most likely have when buying this ship.
If you are such a WG chill, watch their streams or just oe of those braindead replay channels.
@@Choukai_Chan yea I know, but I watch too many Potato videos. I usually just stop the video when it is just rage time; I can feel the second hand frustration. I am just trying to watch youtube on my derping time
Maybe give Georgia a go to see how it compares to the previous match making since a lot of those stats probably came before the super ships?
I love your videos as they both entertaining and informative. I still loved the video because it let us know what to expect from certain ships that not all of us have access to.
Great work and keep the spirits up. We still loved the vids
PQ, your videos are always amazing and fun to watch, i learn alot from it too, from the way you position your ships in a match with a brawler ships too your farming dmg cruiser XD. So is just a pad in the back that your videos are always helpful and bring enjoyment for me and the rest of us, keep it up PQ, luv your videos.
10:08 the silence followed with the laughter reminds me of the joker laughing at his misfortune
The reason I don't recommend secondary build for this ship is you only have 3 secondary turrets per side, I understand they have improved secondary characteristics but with 3 guns how much damage are you really getting off? Georgia has 5 turrets per side I believe and even then I make it a hybrid build by getting the secondary commander shills but using all the modules for the main guns. I may do something but can't decide till I have the ship in my hands
The problem about this ship is the AP alpha is hard nerfed by WG. They only have 13000 alpha, in comparison a Mk6 406mm (the NC gun) AP has 13100.
So you AP alpha and dpm are like tier 6. Even a Queen Elizabeth has higher AP dpm and Alpha strike potential than you, if we are counting stock values. Yes they are 457 Kremlin guns, and large crusier dispersion, 1.9 sigma and such, but if you can't do damage it's just worthless.
tier 8's used to be the suck tier because you always went into tier 10 games and they just way outclassed you. but with these new tier 11s against tier 9s it's 10 times worse. it's more like a 4 tier gap in the way the ships play against eachother.
I bought the battleship SUN YAT-SEN
I regret the purchase. I do not advise anyone to buy it!!!
1) The battleship's life was reduced by 8000 compared to the Soviet Union.
Reduced the waiting time for battleship repairs from 40 seconds to 80 seconds.
Which reduced the survival rate of the ship in battle.
2) Made a caliber of 457 mm, increased the rate of fire, and the speed of rotation of the towers.
And they put 6 barrels.
BUT they reduced the armor penetration by reducing the weight of the projectile from 1,373 kg to 1,000 kg.
Damage from 14,500 to 13,000
During the battle 3-4 times shells fall above and below the enemy ship.
Damage 1300, 2600 less often 4900.
The enemy gives 6-10k damage in response
As a result, the battleship is inferior to all 9th-level bonuses, by about 30-35%
Such as: Musashi, George, German battleships, John Baru, Ilinoisu.
The site administration removes all objective reviews about this battleship.
The battleship needs an increase in sigma and or an increase in the weight of the projectile to 1,373 kg, or the velocity of the projectile to 870 m.
For the best times PQ, the ship to sail is the Marco Polo while facing HMS Eagle.
PQ makes a good point about tier 9's being uptiered. With a 19.2km main gun range, I think going with the range mod would be better if you're thinking of picking this ship up. Those main guns need a buff, they seem anemic. Maybe a main gun build with range mod and a secondary commander would work?
Not a great ship, for sure. I've noticed the aiming bug just means you always have to aim high on the hull. I did an little unscientific experiment two days in a row with that (not in this ship). Aiming high isn't' a guarantee of a hit. Natural dispersion and RNG still screw with you, BUT I did get more hits and more cits. Disclaimer: "You mileage may vary."
I've been enjoying this ship alot, incredible angles on the turrets, insanely good armor, super fast reload, fairly accurate, its let down by the speed, the turning, the aa, concealment and the stupid low damage output of the guns all in all its good
Glad to see you made a second take on this one. Interested to hear if your opinions change. Haven’t watched the vid yet, but I did get this ship from the Prime Drop. My immediate thought was, “why would you build this for secondaries when you can have a 23s reload on your six 457mm guns?” Maybe I should’ve waited til after I watched to write this comment since I have no clue what you’re about to say, but the comment is written and I’m publishing it now so whatever. Here we go. 🎉
Because it has super improved secondary accuracy and is generally tanky while even having anti-air. The issue is the secondaries don't fire fast enough to deal sufficient damage and they lack 2 kilometers of max range. With 30% less reload time and slightly more range, Sun Yat-Sen would be secondary viable; notably because it has amazing secondary shells.
Or you can have Preussen with eight 457mm guns, 15k Alpha and 21s reload for free :D
It's hard not to get tilted with this game the way it's going. Fight the good fight.
Great video as always! It would be nice to see some side by side gameplay of the Sun Yat Sen with the Georgia or even Soyuz. From my observations of this ship, it seems good for its tier but tier 9 just isn't what it used to be with superships. I love Pan-Asian ships, but I'm a bit torn about getting this (I already have the Georgia)...
I bought the battleship SUN YAT-SEN
I regret the purchase. I do not advise anyone to buy it!!!
1) The battleship's life was reduced by 8000 compared to the Soviet Union.
Reduced the waiting time for battleship repairs from 40 seconds to 80 seconds.
Which reduced the survival rate of the ship in battle.
2) Made a caliber of 457 mm, increased the rate of fire, and the speed of rotation of the towers.
And they put 6 barrels.
BUT they reduced the armor penetration by reducing the weight of the projectile from 1,373 kg to 1,000 kg.
Damage from 14,500 to 13,000
During the battle 3-4 times shells fall above and below the enemy ship.
Damage 1300, 2600 less often 4900.
The enemy gives 6-10k damage in response
As a result, the battleship is inferior to all 9th-level bonuses, by about 30-35%
Such as: Musashi, George, German battleships, John Baru, Ilinoisu.
The site administration removes all objective reviews about this battleship.
The battleship needs an increase in sigma and or an increase in the weight of the projectile to 1,373 kg, or the velocity of the projectile to 870 m.
T9 is a hard tier right now, honestly the power gap between 9-11 is the largest in the game, and ships that are balanced around being tanky brawlers have no business being bottom tier in that as the DPM potential negates nearly all of the ships strengths. If i end up as a T9 in those games, the goal is to survive and try to scrape some battle impact where possible. The Sun Yat-Sen is slow, maneuvers poorly and has mediocre long range potential. The ship is 2-3 yrs late.
Suffering and complaining is so fun and educating. Please continue!
The main problem with Sun Yat-Sen is that she has frustratingly flat disperion formula slopes. In other words, the main gun accuracy improves so little when you push into close range.
Sun Yat-Sen horizontal and vertical disperion slopes are at 8.4 and 10.4. In comparison, for example, USS Massachusetts's slopes are 10.0 & 10.9; AL Sovetskaya Rossiya's are 10.0 & 10.3; Sovetsky Soyuz's are 11.9 & 49.7; and Kremlin's are 11.9 & 42.3.
Only HE-spamming sniper BC's have slopes so flat like Sun Yat-Sen's. Think Tier 9 Duncan (horizontal and vertical disperion slopes are at 8.4 & 11.2).
8 minutes into the game, 12k damage, gotta be a decent ship
They should make a system where super ships can only match against tier X ships. It would make those types of matches a little more fair and give tier IX ships a much better chance at having decent MM, with the worst case scenario only being tier X ships.
Secondary builds are a gas in brawls. Outside of that, and some levels of Ranked, I agree. Pretty niche anymore.
I watch PQ's videos becasue him and I have the same play styles and I have learned alot from him. I can tell you I have been staying at my parents house for the last couple weeks watching the dog while they are on vacation and I did not bring my PC, so i have played WOWS in 3 weeks. My mental health is so much better when im not playing this Toxic game. So when PQ says this game gets under his skin, i 100% understand what he is saying.
Regarding suffering: Brothers bond through shared suffering ;)
My main thing against a secondary build on this ship is just that without IFHE you are less effective than even a Massachusetts, and with IFHE you are still outperformed by the German T9s. Even as a main gun build you are still only have 6 guns, and while that might not sound like a big deal, more guns equals more damage on target. Iwami is just flat out a better T9 and can be gotten for coal. Yat-Sen is doubloons ONLY. I feel like you should give Iwami a go to show how this idea can be done right. Her 8 410s paired with 2.1 sigma and good range makes her able to play really well in the current meta, and if you want to you can still safely secondary build her.
It feels like Yat-Sen was overbalanced because of having 457mm guns, showing that Wargaming knows how stupidly powerful overmatch is, but knowing the top tier players would have rejected a 406mm armed BB. I honestly wish Wargaming would slow down on all the 457mm armed BBs and maybe work on giving us some good CLs and DDs to play around with.
Getting shadowed by two Yamagiris while being blasted by an Annapolis at range... just a miserable experience.
No matter how good you want to feel, the game actively makes you feel bad. So no sugar coating needed. How do you deal with Trex ASW on Ohio, super CVs, Yamagiri x3, one shot yoshino and yolo Schlieffens.
WG keeps denying the fact that the aiming bug still exists. Since screwing with the camera angles, they have messed up aiming.
I laughed a lot in your last vid, just because i really felt like the same. BB's are sadly become huge damage pinatas :(
Many T10 ships were already basically two tiers above T9 in effectiveness (DM, Daring, etc.), so it was an absolutely nonsensical move from WG to put yet another tier above that, and still force T9's into those matches.
Also doesn't help that superships basically make premium time a requirement in order to play them, so they're mostly unattainable for many players who still have to face them very, very regularly.
The aiming bug is murdering my poor Yamato.
If there's one thing WG did well with this game it has to be the graphics. I stopped playing couple years ago (when Haaland line was added) but from what I usually see and hear it's only getting worse and worse.
Art department is the only ones carrying this game.
The games fine. Don't let CV or Sub hatred scare you off. Point, Shoot and sink stuff. Easy. Art department does a great job as always.
The game has a lot of issues now, but the art isn't one.
Let's see if he sails around in a circle this time...
Georgia has battle cruiser dispersion doesn’t it? This is more like a Gneisenau.
So legit , first game I've played against you I think and I made the video haha
I enjoy the brawling BBs, like the Rupprecht or Schlieffen, but especially the Georgia. I have the Georgia setup with the dispersion mod, instead of the 2nd secondary mod. The trouble with all 3 of those boats is exactly what you ran into. sometimes you can't push and really get into the fight... sometimes it's multiple matches that happens in. That is frustrating, because you're always shooting near max range, ~18-19km. Most maps don't have much cover to move in closer across a cap. So, you're at a disadvantage until your team helps to provide a better chance to move in. Once you can move in, you can feel like a real participant. I have the feeling it's the same or similar situation to the Sun Yat-Sen from seeing your videos.
I love the Georgia, but some nights of gaming can be pretty frustrating and I sound just like you. lol
yep love Georgia, after topping 150k damage and still losing i cant blame the guns but the meta/playerbase at t9/t10 is kinda diabolical...lets battle but from 20km......hows ya reload now BB....spam spam spam. Dont even think about pushing cause we all love the back o map and will neva eva support you.....broken meta/dented meta meta meta meta
So true. I got tired of that last night and took a Schlieffen along the edge of a cap, got 2 kills, chased off 1 of 2 DDs and 1 BB. We had that side overloaded, zero reason for everyone else to be hanging back like they were. The DD that stuck around was newer and didn't help his team any, but hey, at least he tried.
I got my Sun Yat-Sen from a Prime Gaming package xD money and doubloons saved =D thanks Amazon
380s penetrate water every bit as well as 457s. Might as well play Bismarck and get two more guns.
Sun Yat-sun is the father of modern China and you have him as Admiral wow
About the aiming bug. I just had a flat broadside Moskva at 12km, almost stationary.
2 salvos from my Shikishima - 0 citadels, 3 hits. How's that normal...
Man regardless of the comment I said on the other video, you are not wrong for feeling the way you feel. anyone in your situation would have felt like you, probably even worse if they had to spend real money to get said ship.
PQ - I appreciate you giving this ship another go with an "accuracy build". But to be honest, the complaint/apology circles of the last vid were more entertaining. :)
You don't have to apologize for anything: as I commented in your last video you are showing, with your vast game knowledge, a very common feeling called frustration (which very often turns into rage) that this game, and WoT too, causes on the playerbase.
I started to follow you because, first, in your videos you explained the mechanics in a very didactic way and, second, because you always seemed a real guy that does not need to act any role.
On the previous Sun Yat-Sen video, we did listen to a PQ tilted, like anyone of us could be, playing and suffering the RNG, the MM, the awful design of subs and CV... It was you (and you are a CC!).
I repeat, don't apologize and show yourself playing the game, be as honest as you always have been.
It is not complaining. You told the truth. Nothing wrong with what you said.
PQ I say this with love, and because you yourself brought it up. There's been a whole hell of a lot of complaining in videos the last few months and it really does get a bit tiresome some times. Just putting in my two cents that some viewers definitely do notice and dislike that kind of mentality in videos.
Again, just a friendly mention for one of my fav youtubers :)
Exactly like playing the Sovetsky Soyuz USSR ship.. short range.. everything lights it on fire no matter your set up.. armor is meh.. no speed.. can see it from space.. turn is meh.. etc... the only upside is the guns hit hard.. occasionally. Its nothing like playing the Vlad nor the Kremlin.. it sucks and from what I can see this is a ship that is the exact same thing. Good on ya for trying again..
Aiming bug is a very troubled , I very annoyed that bug and it make me say goodbye WOWS
Please, try what this ship can do in dirigable ascourt
Thanks potato for the clip. Would you recommend purchasing this ship? I do have a 30% discount coupon, which would make the cost $68.00CDN
Superships is why I started playing T8 or lower.
It's just more balanced and enjoyable.
I still play T10 and do fine, but its just not as fun.
I don't generally rely on any other tiers ships, if I can push and do good damage I don't care what tier I am generally. obviously this changes depending on the ship I'm in or the role, but I typically don't see the higher tier ships as someone you hope is going to do their job..
Also relock those perfect broadsides, just in case lol
Your complaining videos are actually entertaining because you make the complaining funny. Lots of jokes and sarcasm. If you complained like Flamuu or other streamers, then yeah it would be unbearable.
I have an average damage of 45.000 on the battleship Sun Yat-sen
On other battleships, 70,000 - 80,000 damage.
Other players have the same thing.
Oh boy expecting your higher tier ships to win.... also yep that sigh as your shells drop short on the mino, so painful playing a bb and you have that shit happening every game.
This ship looks not great, and you tried to make content for a T9 since the patch update when we had another combat mission chain to support people playing Super Ships. I played 9s this last weekend for a couple blocks of time on NA and I never once saw a T7. Mostly I am interested from your last video on this ship where you are getting the idea it's a secondary ship.
Dude I wondered that too. There's only 6 smaller caliber guns per side. Idk how that is considered a secondary ship.
Honestly didn't think it was an issue last video I'll take honest annoyance about a ship being crap rather than desperately trying to highlight the few minor upsides.
Sun yat-sen moment V2
i think annapolis got a unfair reload for 12 guns... remmember it also got burst (bs) fire mode.
I read the reviews.
Compared his damage on the battleship Sun Yat-sen.
I have more damage on any level 9 cruiser than on the Sun Yat-sen battleship.
I have 40% more damage on any battleship than on Sun Yat-sen.
I bought the most expensive battleship to fight on equal terms with Musashi, Georgia, Pommern, Jean Bart, Illinois.
And I was deceived...
Your experiences at T9 is why I don't go above T8 any longer; most of the time I stay at T7 or below. WG has ruined higher tier play, at least for me anyway. Nice video and this ship is an easy pass.
They should really just allow us to opt-in longer queues to only be within one tier. It would make the T9 experience much better.
I did enjoy the suffering and complaints from the first video 🤭
i dont touch any of lower tiers ships coz of mm its too much gap difference between 6 tier vs 8, 8vs 10, 9 vs 11
so how do you get these unique commanders or are they all no longer available except the ones in the armory shop?
80% win rate nice!
Since it's on the bundle deal now, I thought I'd take a peek. Pretty much what I expected. WG seems to have a habit of making this BB mistake; less guns, quicker reload style ships. Problem is they pretend the guns will be accurate, but they're really not. Give me the high barrel count! The game is sO much RNG anyways, I think you're better off with a shotgun. Some of the best BBs in the game [IMO] are high barrel count. Fuso, Izmail, Lyon, Amagi, Vermont. Or medium barrel count with actual accuracy [but normal reload] like Rooke & Hawke. Of course PQ makes a great point about tier 9, it's just awful for BBs. The best is probably Musashi, which is really a tier 10 Yamato at tier 9 with an AA nerf.
So....yeah spending $$ for a tier 9 BB seems like a waste. The only Tier 9 ships that are much good [since they face so much Tier 10 MM] are those that are arguably OP like Jager, Kitakaze, Alaska. Truth be told there's really not much point in playing Tier 9, except to grind to the Tier 10.
Secondary BBs only seem to work in ranked these days, might be a good T9 ranked BB.
Reminds me of Gneisenau except it's worse somehow...
9:52 omg.
@Potato Quality
As a CC is there anyway you can influence what happens with matchmaking eg. getting rid of double up teir?
No
Do you know where in aslains is the monitor to show players colours when you press the tab to show players thanks
Tankyness from armor is nice but superships make it absolutely useless bc no matter how thiccccc your armor is, you're just gonna be burned down in no time. We saw it against the two Annapolis: 4 fires in 2min? Like? huh?
Is there any reason you didn’t use the first heal for so long after it would’ve healed max hp or did you just not check it for a while?
Prob focus on the game I think
If you know your ships survival isn't in danger for the moment you shouldn't heal immediately and make use of AR.
@@anidiot2818 true, but with 5 heals using as many of them in a game is part of using a Battleship that has them. Especially if its an Enhanced Heal.
@@anidiot2818 the increased hp could be used down the road for a push or to chase down another ship or prevent a dev strike. Getting a 5% bonus to reload probably isn't as beneficial as you may think. I routinely see this hesitance in using bb heals, especially on bbs with 4-5 of them. You can be inefficient with them, gain some hp and then have it on cooldown and up and running to use in a more advantageous position down the road while also putting that HP you just gained to use as a resource
Don’t worry I still enjoy the complaining XD
Play YY with new commander and Unique upgrade model !
Will this be a coal or doubloon ship?
PQ and 6 guns bb is something that will not work. Most of the time at least 😂
Its good watching a CC be human in gameplay rather than one who hand picks games just so he can yell 'Kraken' all the time.
I’m currently getting a ton of t10/suppership games in t8. Why is that? Great video as always :)
What is the mod in the bottom left corner for angle?
Having 30k dmg after 12 minuts in the game is rough... some games are over at this point these days. i dont see the selling-point of this thing, 6 guns with this dispersion, i dont know man^^
I enjoyed you suffering and complaining tbh. No filter best filter. Also, how did that salvo (the two shells at 10:45) did not appeard aimed over, yet they flew well behind the ship! this name is nonsense.
I’ve heard a lot of people on Reddit say this is the new Georgia do you think you could do a One Take in Georgia. And just tell us how you think the two compare? I for one love my Georgia even though it has 6 guns.
Georgia is better at least in my opinion, way better accuracy on main guns, less armor, but faster and has no flat shell catcher on your ass when kiting
They have the same gun count, but Georgia is faster, has a better dispersion mod leading to better accuracy, has more range, has secondary's that actually work if you want to use them, has better AP damage, better concealment, and even arguably better AA. Those people on Reddit are stupid if they think Yat-Sen is even close to comparable to Georgia. Sorry to say but it's true.
The only real thing the ships share is they both have 457mm guns at T9, now all of that isn't to say Georgia is particularly good by todays meta, but Georgia is far better than Sun Yat-Sen. Georgia is still okay, but her low gun count does really hurt, the only real saving grace is the engine boost.
Honestly if you want a secondary-ish T9 BB get Iwami. She has the same secondary range as Yat-Sen, with more secondary's that fire faster, and she has 8 410mm guns with Yamato levels of accuracy. She also only has 250 max damage less on her 410mm AP compared to Yat-Sen, and actually has even better rear turret angles. It's 3 degrees better, but that's still better. Iwami also happens to be free as she's a coal ship.
When and how can I get this boat?
Tier 9, unless they are particularly over powered already or unique, is really the worst high tier now. The two tier matchmaking hurts everyone and every tier, but with super ships you really are outmatched in a way that no other "up tiering" causes. I'm at the point where I won't play tier 9 ships in random battles unless I am grinding out lines, you are better off in a tier 8 for credit grinding since you can actually have battle impact even verse tier 10 ships... or at least won't die as horribly fast.
I honestly dont feel like the last video's dispersion and this video's dispersion are too different.
Barely 2 minutes in and back to crying again... LMAO!
... I got the Sun Yat-Sen in a random super container ... so I didnt pay anything for it ... I will not complain about a free premium ship ...
With those rounds falling short on the minotaur, I am tilted. Fortunately I am only a spectator now. That makes the game just another source of stress for me, and one of the reasons I stopped. I like to watch though.
Honestly the dispersion on those guns looks horrible, according to ship tool it has the same disp as georgia and repulse only difference georgia being 1.8 sigma and repulse being 2.0 so these should be middle of the pack at 1.9. Yet it looks trash compared to both of those and I have played allot of repulse and georgia, combine that with having the worst damage per salvo and dpm in tier (in fact it gets beaten in both those stats by the majority of tier 7 BB's) I think this would be a hard pass for me.
Late at night, I've seen supership games at T8! One night I had 3 in a row at T8, so I stopped playing. I think it's sneaky how they're calling T11 (T11.5) ships superships, that way they can push them onto even lower tiers and tier 9's frequently.
ps. This video was much better than the last one. We can all get tilted, no worries.
MM is only +2-2 so unless you were in a fail division aka dived up with a T9 you literally can not see Superships in a T8.
@@Stephen__White Indeed, normally yes. However this still happened while playing solo. Wargaming used superships to fill the gaps in low player numbers at the time I was playing, to the games I was in at T8.
And remember superships aren't truly classified as T11 in the matchmaker, they are T10 but "super". Even though in reality they're really T11 or even T11.5 as far as real gameplay is considered.
So strictly speaking, they still fall within the +2 MM bracket if in T8 ship. Though you normally never see them there.
@@northofvalhalla5087 Except they aren't T10, every official source puts Superships as a tier above T10, the official wiki even calls them "TXI"(direct quote from the wiki: "Tier XI is officially called Tier ★"), so I'd say if this happened recently and you still have the replay hit up Wargaming support. As that sounds like a bug that would need resolved. As there is no soft rule for this outside of fail divisions, it's forced +2-2 and superships are indeed treated as T11.
The only way it could work as far as I know other than you yourself having been in a fail div was one being on the other team, and the MM tried to balance things by grabbing some random T8 that happened to be you, but it's not supposed to do that anymore. It did many years ago, back before the game even had fully symmetrical matchmaking for battles.(You could legit have a game where only one team had a CV for example) Though that would be a bug involving a soft rule being enforced when it shouldn't have been. That being: "Soft rule: Teams are mirrored by ship types (cruiser etc.) and tiers. This means that for every ship type and tier, both teams have the same number of ships of that type and tier."
If they did fall into the +2 of T8s people wouldn't complain about T9s being forced into Supership games as much, they would be to busy complaining about T8s, and I can find no mention on the forums or reddit about T8s vs Superships. The only post I'm able to find about it at all, is from before they were added into the tech tree and someone was asking if T8s would have to fight them, and even back then the general consensus from what Wargaming had said was "no".
@@Stephen__White Interesting.
Can only note what I experienced. So it must have been either a bug, WG experimenting with the matchmaker. Or one of those undocumented features of WG rearing its ugly head under unusual circumstances.
Mind you this was around 5-6 in the morning, so very few players around on my server at that time. Not unusual for very long waiting times, or matches with 1/3 to 1/2 normal sized teams.
Lookingb at it this ship should be amazing at its tier or v T8. Currently with match making its a sack of C
Soon Yat-Sen, we learn how to pronounce Asian language one word at a time XD
Now you teach me how to pronounce French ships