Customer: "Maybe we can give it more flow". Steve: "No, No, No, No, No No!" lol. Customer was just frustrated he had to choose between pressure or hot water. Steve was frustrated because he had to repeat things 10 times. Great video as usual! I learned about Tempering Valves. THANKS!
I grew up in a house with this same system: oil boiler with baseboard heat, tankless immersion water heater, well water. I recall that my sister would take a shower and use up all the hot water, which we thought was great because it kept her bathroom time to a reasonable length. Today, if it were up to me, I'd just install an electric water heater and be done with it. Most houses have room for a 30 amp 2 pole breaker. And electric heat is 100% efficient.
My next door neighbor had the same problem and I suggested to install an 80 gallon hot water tank with a coil in the hot water tank as another zone to the boiler. The technician told me not necessary as he needed a new boiler. The boiler was 7 years old. He told him install an 80 gallon tank with coil and the technician refused. He told him to get his tools and leave his house. He bought a new 80 gallon tank from a local supply house after he was told technician's only no residential sales. There was a tech at the counter and he asked can you buy and install this tank? I have a tankless heater and want to eliminate it for domestic hot water. He couldn't install it that day but was able to install it the next day. Took just over 2 hours to install and his wife and the 5 girls are happy as clams because of the seemingly unending supply of hot water. Old school beats a tankless any day in my humble opinion. Good video. Cheers!
Is it true that in colder climates where the water temperature is colder going in, that tank-less water heaters are not so good? At least during the winter? Seems like it by what I heard you say in the video.
I had the same problem. I replaced the tankless coil with a new E625. Problem solved. They can plug up over time especially with well water. Many plumbers won't do the replacement for fear of snapping the nuts or studs that are usually rusted and then creating a major problem.
that depends on the boiler design. It MAY be flanged and use replaceable nuts and bolts. with that cold water shut off (the ball valve ) being shut off, The tempering valve CANT temper anything. If somebody gets scalded, he's on the hook, even if it happens 20 years from now. ... remember, no good deed goes unpunished. Is the HW coil bad, more than likely. Especially if there is no flow reducer as he pointed out to the customer, was missing. Slowing the feed water to the HW side allows it to have more contact time. just like a flow valve would do. If the cold incoming water can't pickup the heat, then the coil is likely insulated with sediment. @@7islander
We lifted a radiator up to run flooring we think we broke a pipe under a crawl space which we can’t see the pipe!! But 2 days later I called for heat and it’s not firing up!!! I could hear the return pump running, I hear the solenoid in the aquastat relay box kick in, the pilot light is lite!! But nothing!! I did change the thermocouple thinking it was that, then I called for heat it did fire up for 2 mins then the fire went out , the draft hood closed and I can hear the return pump running!!
Hey brother I bleeded the system alot of oil got on the unit itself... I'm scared this will cause a fire how do I clean the unit will regular soap n water do?
Steve and Miss Molly working on Saturday. Next Level Next Level!!!!! A lot of my customers did away with their tankless so you don't have a boiler in the house running when it's 90 outside. Wondering how the house with the New boiler from the 50s and the Old boiler from the 40s are holding up?
With the cold to the tempering valve off, you may as well just left it out. I would’ve tried that valve open and then just slow the inlet to the tankless heat exchanger
true, then just adjust the tempering valve to the desired mix temp... When it first starts up, about a gallon of 180F water will come out the spout minus the losses on the copper line. Better hope a small child isn't operating the faucet, on a short run....ouch....angry mother...
He did offer coffee, and in The US that seems unusual for customers to give their plumber a drink. In The UK, my customers nearly always offer me tea and biscuits - chocolate ones. Or I walk, and they fix their own shit ;-)
Does that home have a well with pressure tank causing the cold water going to the hot water coil on boiler and the cold side of tub valve to vary from room temperature in pressure tank to cold direct from well?
@@daveschroers4222 And my car has needed a brake line flush for about 5 years but it's a bit redundant now at nearly 300k. It'll be replaced before it's an issue, likely the same as the boiler.
Hi I have been in the Heating Trade for a long time , in Response to your hater , Simple tell them don’t watch, I watch you and after being in the Industry for over Twenty Yrs I learn I Laugh I enjoy , I must tell you good luck and Success to you From a old School Dude chow for now
I had a boiler with the HW coil attached to a storage tank (with a bronze circulator) and that setup was never good enough for filling the jacuzzi tub or the long showers the ladies of the house would take. Since I was limited by space in a 4-foot crawl space ( i would of put in an indirect if I had more height), I junked that and put in a Navien 240A LP tankless. More complicated and more expensive to maintain, but it never has an issue supplying enough HW. I can now turn my boiler off in the non-heating months. I did not convert my boiler to cold start because that would cause another nightmare. Those boiler HW coils, especially without a storage tank, have to be one of the dumbest ideas ever implemented.
What do you do when it is in fact the coil in the boiler - can you flush it out? It must be clogged. Mine has little flow out the hot - I closed the cold water to the nixing valve and completely opened the hot - just a trickle - This didn't pass through the mixing valve - straight off the boiler hot pipe. Can Anyone help?
That coil is faulty. Plugged up or something. Because all what Steve did is not necessary. That water coming straight out of the coil, with the burner running like it was, should be 180 - 212 degrees. Unusable, scorching boiling water. The tempering valve is there to mix down the boiling coil water to a useable temperature. You should not have to have any other flow control other than the single tempering valve. If the boiler control/aquastat is set to 180 low limit, you will have endless hot water all the time. On a steam boiler 160 is good on the aquastat. But if the burner is making steam, the hot water will be very hot coming out of a fixture at full hot. And home owners with steam boilers with a tankless need to be careful in the winter when using full bore hot water at a fixtue. Oh Mama!
Some people are not too bright. "Hey I fixed it with the wrong part , wonder why it doesn't work??" Then the master tech is debating the problem with Steve.
First of all if your going to have a tankless coil you should have a water softener after your well tank, then pipe the cold from the softener to a glass lined TEMPERING TANK about 50 gallon , then pipe the tempered water to the coil only .That way the coil is not getting that 52 degree or lower water (especially in the winter) directly from the well. Had the same problem in the 70s with my Weil McLain , always had to have it throttled down to slow the flow thru the coil. Coils lime up on the inside ,outside rarely gets a coating on it because the boiler water is the same water in the boiler for years. 58 year retired plumber
Note to customers: stop trying to diagnose the problem yourself! You call a service company because their technician is the expert, not you. Your job, once the tech arrives, is to answer their questions before getting the hell out of their way and letting them do their job, however long it takes.
I would think those tankless units are going to become obsolete on gas fired burners.They seem to work better with oil heat. By now it would be hard to remove a tankless coil. The bolts might have to be hacked off and redrilled. The owner should cap it off and buy a hot water heater.
With all do respect, the homeowner seems like a nice guy. If he knows so much and has so much to explain to a Pro “to help him with his diagnostics”, why did you have to call him in the first place?
I always test my solder joints with a rubber mallet ( or my hammer handle ) Smack it around, if it doesnt leak then it will never leak.. I tell my apprentice to make it suffer more than it will ever see in service Before you leave.. Nice job Steve, You rock :)
I have a new oil fired boiler with the same domestic hot water coil. Just 2 ports on it thats it. They have to be plumbed same as any other water to water or water to air. With ball valve on the in an out feed and a tee before the ball vaves at the coil with boiler drain on them both as they must be descaled at least once a year as the inside of the coil were water runs though get a scale on the copper. It don't take much to stop heating transfer the water a little scale stop heat transfer. You flush it out with a product called dedi_clean you pump it though out of a bucket an back into the bucket let it run 20 min your good to go. Never have to play with any valves. Low hot water low hot air coming out heat vents its time to decale coils
It's rigged more than repaired...I get it though! You can only do so much with that old shit! Too bad we don't have more "Steve's" that can get these boilers fixed up! Thank you!!
Hey Steve, I’ve been doing this for about 30 minutes and you’ve been doing this for 30 years, but let me teach you how to be a plumber. This guy has to be either a lawyer, doctor, or teacher because he thinks he knows your job better than you.
Those tankless heaters never were very effective especially as they get older and they are exposed to well water which is hard and full of iron etc this is what prompted the invention of the boiler mate which was nothing more than a holding tank for hot water w a recirculation system from the boiler to keep the 30 / 40 gals of water hot as u see the coils get clogged and are far less efficient as time goes on eventually the coils will get a hole in it and boiler water will mix w domestic hot water when that happens the coil has to be replaced or Eliminated completely and a different hot water system installed aka an electric water heater and or some other way of making hot water the tankless was designed to save money especially in the winter months because hey the boilers running anyway but in the summer when you don't need the boiler to run at all it has to run to make hot water so we have to decide which is best run the boiler in the summer when it should be resting getting ready for another hard cold winter or install an electric water heater which nowadays are very efficient due to newer govt mandates to add more insulation to them for efficiency reasons and keep this in mind a lot of the rest of the world turns off the water heater until they know they need hot water. The recovery time is quick so turn the switch on in 30 mins the water is hot take your shower do your dishes etc turn it back off till the next day now your saving 23 hours of keeping 30 /40 gals of water hot for no reason it does make a significant difference and possibly might even be saving the planet a small amount due to not using electricity from the fossil fueled power plant just a thought timers work great for this as well you come home at 5 every day set the timer for 4:30 and once its hot it stays hot even w the power off for a good long time because of like I said the insulation around the tank more than just an hour or two more like several at least so save money and leave the planet for our kids and grand kids kids maybe it's what I do and I went to plumbing school w Steve many many many yrs ago so I do know a little something about it lol have great day everyone..
Steven installed the vane as a countermeasure to reduce the flow of cold water. It is a solution in case the flow inside the boiler is high enough to cause problems. we as technicians should have in mind that sometimes the occassions are not as expected. my RESPECTS to Steven!
@@stevenlavimoniere Wrong, the customer stated he used to get good flow at a good temperature so you slowed his flow down to achieve hot so no you didn't cure his problem all you did was slow his flow down! the fix should have been to de-scale or replace the coil to renew the flow and temperature
Eddie 27886 no. The coil is in the water but if the chamber is soothed up it will impede heat transfer. Best way is an indirect tank or a storage tank that fills from the coil that’s there.
not carbon. this coil is sitting in a tank full of 180F water. Any time you add or remove heat from water, the dissolved solids "fall out " of suspension... Iron, calcium, magnesium... it collects on the tankless coil and coats it with muck. after a while it slows the heat transfer, boiler water looks like ink sometimes. If it was easy to remove (some/few are), you could spray it off with water and maybe a scale remover, but its hardly worth the labor, and you may expose a pinhole for all your efforts.@@eddiekilby
Y not just swap out da guts replace da insides instead of changing da whole valve itself it's called rebuilding a mixing valve, dats wat I would've done less work
SELL THEM A NICE INDIRECT AND MIXING VALVE AND SOLVE THE ISSUE ONCE AND FOR ALL. OR DO IT AFTER THERE IN THE HOSPITAL for delivering 200 degree water to the kids.......SET IT FOR 220 AND SET THE MIXING VALVE. Sorry for the caps......this setup never work correctly with a small boiler and no flow control. Add the flo rater or add an indirect.
depends on their needs. True, the indirect with a zone is the cheapest, but not till about the second year. Some don't have the upfront money, so they pay all year long every month, having to maintain a minimum boiler water temperature of at least 160F all summer long while the indirect tank stores about 40 gallons of hot water.and you adjust the temperature on its own aqua stat. In the summer, I adjust mine down to 110F. My boiler fires about once or twice a day only. The reason most like the tankless coil is that it is an endless supply of hot water. and a cheap install. The indirect will get two showers max.... in my house anyway, I like it hot. @@throttlebottle5906
the only thing is, the tempering valve can't add any cold water to lower the temperature of the mixed water to a safe temp because to the ball valve is shut off.....@@DONALD1951
some people have systems such as yours because they want very hot water specifically for their dishwasher and clothes washer, and are piped to those units only. Then they use the tankless for the house. The thing you want to eliminate is having to keep that boiler hot during summer months, or even warm days.....@@MrNickPapagiorgio
I work all day doing HVAC just to come home and watch Steve fix DIY homeowners problems
Customer: "Maybe we can give it more flow". Steve: "No, No, No, No, No No!" lol. Customer was just frustrated he had to choose between pressure or hot water. Steve was frustrated because he had to repeat things 10 times. Great video as usual! I learned about Tempering Valves. THANKS!
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Just moved into a new house, thought i could just turn up the pressure. Great video, very informative, and very helpful . Thanks!
“Let me get it together and then we’ll talk about it” 🤣🤣🤣
That coil is starting to get cholesterol and needed to be purged or just replaced
That homeowner is gonna be callin u back once u leave and he starts playing with those shut offs lol
I love Miss Molly's ears. She puts them up for easy listening, and back for aerodynamics.
Tony Vento 👍
@@Fireship1 ?????
Love Steve.."I can only due so much with this shit." Your bout half Chooch! It's nice and hot guy.
Sam X Hahahahaha...that's good stuff!
I grew up in a house with this same system: oil boiler with baseboard heat, tankless immersion water heater, well water. I recall that my sister would take a shower and use up all the hot water, which we thought was great because it kept her bathroom time to a reasonable length. Today, if it were up to me, I'd just install an electric water heater and be done with it. Most houses have room for a 30 amp 2 pole breaker. And electric heat is 100% efficient.
I like the sign on the wall showing when you were cutting out the old tempering valve. “Just another day in paradise”. Ain’t that the truth!
Bless you Steve. I do Heat and Air in Georgia. Very few customers stay over you shoulder yapping. You have a great temperament. Enjoy your videos.
50 gallon indirect
My next door neighbor had the same problem and I suggested to install an 80 gallon hot water tank with a coil in the hot water tank as another zone to the boiler. The technician told me not necessary as he needed a new boiler. The boiler was 7 years old. He told him install an 80 gallon tank with coil and the technician refused. He told him to get his tools and leave his house. He bought a new 80 gallon tank from a local supply house after he was told technician's only no residential sales. There was a tech at the counter and he asked can you buy and install this tank? I have a tankless heater and want to eliminate it for domestic hot water. He couldn't install it that day but was able to install it the next day. Took just over 2 hours to install and his wife and the 5 girls are happy as clams because of the seemingly unending supply of hot water. Old school beats a tankless any day in my humble opinion.
Good video.
Cheers!
Nice work Steve! My soldering has improved drastically since I have been watching you. Thanks for the help.
Is it true that in colder climates where the water temperature is colder going in, that tank-less water heaters are not so good? At least during the winter? Seems like it by what I heard you say in the video.
Dave Humphrey nonsense. I live in MN, lots of people have them here. They just need to be sized correctly.
Maybe that tankless coil is getting plugged up with deposits? If so it might be time to descale the hot water coil.
Well water....probably should have a water softener. Too late now.
I had the same problem. I replaced the tankless coil with a new E625. Problem solved. They can plug up over time especially with well water. Many plumbers won't do the replacement for fear of snapping the nuts or studs that are usually rusted and then creating a major problem.
that depends on the boiler design. It MAY be flanged and use replaceable nuts and bolts. with that cold water shut off (the ball valve ) being shut off, The tempering valve CANT temper anything. If somebody gets scalded, he's on the hook, even if it happens 20 years from now. ... remember, no good deed goes unpunished.
Is the HW coil bad, more than likely. Especially if there is no flow reducer as he pointed out to the customer, was missing. Slowing the feed water to the HW side allows it to have more contact time. just like a flow valve would do. If the cold incoming water can't pickup the heat, then the coil is likely insulated with sediment. @@7islander
@@throttlebottle5906 your describing a commercial unit. I've felt with them too for DPS. Residential would never pay for that luxury
that does happen, sometimes when the coil gets cleaned, that dirt allows city pressure to fill the boiler and pop the PRV@@whatsmynameagain4778
A little Jack Daniel's Mamma!!
I have a question if there is a broken pipe in the line of a hot water boiler will the boiler shutdown
We lifted a radiator up to run flooring we think we broke a pipe under a crawl space which we can’t see the pipe!! But 2 days later I called for heat and it’s not firing up!!! I could hear the return pump running, I hear the solenoid in the aquastat relay box kick in, the pilot light is lite!! But nothing!! I did change the thermocouple thinking it was that, then I called for heat it did fire up for 2 mins then the fire went out , the draft hood closed and I can hear the return pump running!!
Hey brother I bleeded the system alot of oil got on the unit itself... I'm scared this will cause a fire how do I clean the unit will regular soap n water do?
My tongue wag's just like Miss Molly's when I pull up to the liquor store ... Lol ... Good vid Stevie Boy ...
Do you charge more if a customer hangs around giving you the third degree?
Nuisance charge.
Put them to work, they go away quick.
Steve and Miss Molly working on Saturday. Next Level Next Level!!!!! A lot of my customers did away with their tankless so you don't have a boiler in the house running when it's 90 outside. Wondering how the house with the New boiler from the 50s and the Old boiler from the 40s are holding up?
With the cold to the tempering valve off, you may as well just left it out. I would’ve tried that valve open and then just slow the inlet to the tankless heat exchanger
true, then just adjust the tempering valve to the desired mix temp... When it first starts up, about a gallon of 180F water will come out the spout minus the losses on the copper line. Better hope a small child isn't operating the faucet, on a short run....ouch....angry mother...
But but but Steve, wait a minute. I gotta tell ya what I did to make it not work. THEN you can fix it for real. Heheheheh Great one!
Damn that guy was obnoxious!
He did offer coffee, and in The US that seems unusual for customers to give their plumber a drink. In The UK, my customers nearly always offer me tea and biscuits - chocolate ones. Or I walk, and they fix their own shit ;-)
Does that home have a well with pressure tank causing the cold water going to the hot water coil on boiler and the cold side of tub valve to vary from room temperature in pressure tank to cold direct from well?
That was actually a brilliant repair with the ball valve!
@@daveschroers4222 And my car has needed a brake line flush for about 5 years but it's a bit redundant now at nearly 300k. It'll be replaced before it's an issue, likely the same as the boiler.
You know dam well the door wasn't even shut behind you yet and he starting messing around with the valve's.
Hi I have been in the Heating Trade for a long time , in Response to your hater , Simple tell them don’t watch, I watch you and after being in the Industry for over Twenty Yrs I learn I Laugh I enjoy , I must tell you good luck and Success to you From a old School Dude chow for now
I had a boiler with the HW coil attached to a storage tank (with a bronze circulator) and that setup was never good enough for filling the jacuzzi tub or the long showers the ladies of the house would take. Since I was limited by space in a 4-foot crawl space ( i would of put in an indirect if I had more height), I junked that and put in a Navien 240A LP tankless. More complicated and more expensive to maintain, but it never has an issue supplying enough HW. I can now turn my boiler off in the non-heating months. I did not convert my boiler to cold start because that would cause another nightmare. Those boiler HW coils, especially without a storage tank, have to be one of the dumbest ideas ever implemented.
What do you do when it is in fact the coil in the boiler - can you flush it out? It must be clogged. Mine has little flow out the hot - I closed the cold water to the nixing valve and completely opened the hot - just a trickle - This didn't pass through the mixing valve - straight off the boiler hot pipe. Can Anyone help?
That coil is faulty. Plugged up or something. Because all what Steve did is not necessary. That water coming straight out of the coil, with the burner running like it was, should be 180 - 212 degrees. Unusable, scorching boiling water. The tempering valve is there to mix down the boiling coil water to a useable temperature. You should not have to have any other flow control other than the single tempering valve. If the boiler control/aquastat is set to 180 low limit, you will have endless hot water all the time. On a steam boiler 160 is good on the aquastat. But if the burner is making steam, the hot water will be very hot coming out of a fixture at full hot. And home owners with steam boilers with a tankless need to be careful in the winter when using full bore hot water at a fixtue. Oh Mama!
What's the name of that value?
You have a great understanding of how to improvise and tweak that thing. He needs a new system or a stand alone tank.
Gotta love a home owner who thinks he knows what to do...but...hes gotta call ol Steve lavi.....hahaha. tell um Steve just let me do my job....
Some people are not too bright. "Hey I fixed it with the wrong part , wonder why it doesn't work??" Then the master tech is debating the problem with Steve.
I love this guy honest as hell definitely from mass
Steve and Molly to the rescue! Your the best Steve! That guy has no idea. Don't understand why people have no clue and start messing around with that.
First of all if your going to have a tankless coil you should have a water softener after your well tank, then pipe the cold from the softener to a glass lined TEMPERING TANK about 50 gallon , then pipe the tempered water to the coil only .That way the coil is not getting that 52 degree or lower water (especially in the winter) directly from the well. Had the same problem in the 70s with my Weil McLain , always had to have it throttled down to slow the flow thru the coil. Coils lime up on the inside ,outside rarely gets a coating on it because the boiler water is the same water in the boiler for years. 58 year retired plumber
Nice job...but that customer drove me nuts..give him a little information and he screws it up..lol your a Saint Momma!
I learn so much from your videos. Thx Steve.
Note to customers: stop trying to diagnose the problem yourself! You call a service company because their technician is the expert, not you. Your job, once the tech arrives, is to answer their questions before getting the hell out of their way and letting them do their job, however long it takes.
Good job Steve.
It's just not heating enough cause it's so cold out probably. Sometimes you need tanks in the north.
Good job
Too much yappin Mama, let Steve put it together then he’ll explain. Jack Daniels 😂😂🥃
Steve Lav is a REAL workin' man ya'll
I would think those tankless units are going to become obsolete on gas fired burners.They seem to work better with oil heat. By now it would be hard to remove a tankless coil. The bolts might have to be hacked off and redrilled. The owner should cap it off and buy a hot water heater.
Good job of fixing that mess , not fond of tankless hot water supply . I'll take my 40 electric all day , can't run it cold .
Do you charge more on weekends? Do you always take the calls or pick and choose on weekends? Thanks for the videos. Dave St. Louis
With all do respect, the homeowner seems like a nice guy. If he knows so much and has so much to explain to a Pro “to help him with his diagnostics”, why did you have to call him in the first place?
I always test my solder joints with a rubber mallet ( or my hammer handle ) Smack it around, if it doesnt leak then it will never leak.. I tell my apprentice to make it suffer more than it will ever see in service Before you leave.. Nice job Steve, You rock :)
I have a new oil fired boiler with the same domestic hot water coil. Just 2 ports on it thats it. They have to be plumbed same as any other water to water or water to air. With ball valve on the in an out feed and a tee before the ball vaves at the coil with boiler drain on them both as they must be descaled at least once a year as the inside of the coil were water runs though get a scale on the copper. It don't take much to stop heating transfer the water a little scale stop heat transfer. You flush it out with a product called dedi_clean you pump it though out of a bucket an back into the bucket let it run 20 min your good to go. Never have to play with any valves. Low hot water low hot air coming out heat vents its time to decale coils
Steve, the sweaters and jackets Baby Dog used to wear, are they Molly's now? The "Master HVAC Tech" patched jacket?
Hi , Steven and Miss Molly , coustermer doesn't read sizes
It's rigged more than repaired...I get it though! You can only do so much with that old shit! Too bad we don't have more "Steve's" that can get these boilers fixed up! Thank you!!
Truck engine sure is alot quieter since you had the repair done about one month ago!
Hey Steve, I’ve been doing this for about 30 minutes and you’ve been doing this for 30 years, but let me teach you how to be a plumber. This guy has to be either a lawyer, doctor, or teacher because he thinks he knows your job better than you.
ARROWS ON PIPES = GOOD JOB once again extra mile Steve
Thanks Steven!
Those lead free ball valves are tough to sweat in
Nice job
This is the problem when coils gets scaled up and the incoming mains is 4 deg celsius
Replace the tankless coil.
Flexvolt 60 volts lithium ion battery12A/H Dewalt cut off tool Greiner
Those tankless heaters never were very effective especially as they get older and they are exposed to well water which is hard and full of iron etc this is what prompted the invention of the boiler mate which was nothing more than a holding tank for hot water w a recirculation system from the boiler to keep the 30 / 40 gals of water hot as u see the coils get clogged and are far less efficient as time goes on eventually the coils will get a hole in it and boiler water will mix w domestic hot water when that happens the coil has to be replaced or
Eliminated completely and a different hot water system installed aka an electric water heater and or some other way of making hot water the tankless was designed to save money especially in the winter months because hey the boilers running anyway but in the summer when you don't need the boiler to run at all it has to run to make hot water so we have to decide which is best run the boiler in the summer when it should be resting getting ready for another hard cold winter or install an electric water heater which nowadays are very efficient due to newer govt mandates to add more insulation to them for efficiency reasons and keep this in mind a lot of the rest of the world turns off the water heater until they know they need hot water. The recovery time is quick so turn the switch on in 30 mins the water is hot take your shower do your dishes etc turn it back off till the next day now your saving 23 hours of keeping 30 /40 gals of water hot for no reason it does make a significant difference and possibly might even be saving the planet a small amount due to not using electricity from the fossil fueled power plant just a thought timers work great for this as well you come home at 5 every day set the timer for 4:30 and once its hot it stays hot even w the power off for a good long time because of like I said the insulation around the tank more than just an hour or two more like several at least so save money and leave the planet for our kids and grand kids kids maybe it's what I do and I went to plumbing school w Steve many many many yrs ago so I do know a little something about it lol have great day everyone..
My mom said she saw sparks coming out one of the coils.... Now we do not have hot water.
Looks like the system needs more money love
how hard was it to understand
That's some creepy angle on that expansion tank hanging there in the breeze :D
put a valve in for no reason all you had to do is restrict the flow in the first place.... the issue is with the boiler coil
BINGO
sometimes , trade can be tough....
wrong i had to add the shutoff .to get enough hot water .so installing the new valve was the best thing to do . supertech
Steven installed the vane as a countermeasure to reduce the flow of cold water. It is a solution in case the flow inside the boiler is high enough to cause problems.
we as technicians should have in mind that sometimes the occassions are not as expected.
my RESPECTS to Steven!
@@stevenlavimoniere Wrong, the customer stated he used to get good flow at a good temperature so you slowed his flow down to achieve hot so no you didn't cure his problem all you did was slow his flow down! the fix should have been to de-scale or replace the coil to renew the flow and temperature
Hot water and lower pressure or good pressure and warm water. Can’t have it all mama! Trying to explain the issue to this customer wasn’t easy.
It’s all about the chooch.
That’ll be 600 for emergency weekend pay.
Can the coil get carbon deposits on it and act like and insulation lowering heat transfer?
Eddie 27886 no. The coil is in the water but if the chamber is soothed up it will impede heat transfer.
Best way is an indirect tank or a storage tank that fills from the coil that’s there.
@@DONALD1951 oh ok thanks
not carbon. this coil is sitting in a tank full of 180F water. Any time you add or remove heat from water, the dissolved solids "fall out " of suspension... Iron, calcium, magnesium... it collects on the tankless coil and coats it with muck. after a while it slows the heat transfer, boiler water looks like ink sometimes.
If it was easy to remove (some/few are), you could spray it off with water and maybe a scale remover, but its hardly worth the labor, and you may expose a pinhole for all your efforts.@@eddiekilby
@@hvac01453 Thank You for the info.
customer been watching too much youtube, thinks he's a plumber
Steve, enjoyed the video with showing the details involved. One can learn a lot by watching your videos.
Mrs Mollys soooo cute
Y not just swap out da guts replace da insides instead of changing da whole valve itself it's called rebuilding a mixing valve, dats wat I would've done less work
You will be back for sure lol
SELL THEM A NICE INDIRECT AND MIXING VALVE AND SOLVE THE ISSUE ONCE AND FOR ALL. OR DO IT AFTER THERE IN THE HOSPITAL for delivering 200 degree water to the kids.......SET IT FOR 220 AND SET THE MIXING VALVE.
Sorry for the caps......this setup never work correctly with a small boiler and no flow control. Add the flo rater or add an indirect.
Add an indirect as a zone.
depends on their needs. True, the indirect with a zone is the cheapest, but not till about the second year. Some don't have the upfront money, so they pay all year long every month, having to maintain a minimum boiler water temperature of at least 160F all summer long while the indirect tank stores about 40 gallons of hot water.and you adjust the temperature on its own aqua stat. In the summer, I adjust mine down to 110F. My boiler fires about once or twice a day only.
The reason most like the tankless coil is that it is an endless supply of hot water. and a cheap install. The indirect will get two showers max.... in my house anyway, I like it hot. @@throttlebottle5906
Steve keep dem der cheekins warm,
Why did he call you? Oh, to fix it. I get it, but does he?
Any kids there. Check the temperature coming out and leave it no more than 120 at the shower..
If he wants to raise it let him do it.
you mean like a ball valve?@@throttlebottle5906
hvac01453 no, the actual tempering valve
the only thing is, the tempering valve can't add any cold water to lower the temperature of the mixed water to a safe temp because to the ball valve is shut off.....@@DONALD1951
hvac01453 must leave it open
I thought thats what I said.....????@@DONALD1951
i dont care for these tankless water heaters...always problems...
A good old indirect is the way to go.
It could not I’ve been a half inch it would not have fit Guaranteed it just needed to be cleaned
Maybe the guy was an engineer. :)
That homeowner seemed to think he knew it all, if he knew the solution why did he have to call Steve? People like that are annoying.
Steve has patience Mama!
I think I would have jumped out the window with this customer
Bout half a chooch!
Need an electric storage hot water tank
if they have oil then they need a oil fired hot water tank/storage tank
@@GoatzombieBubba I have a storage tank that's not oil fired and I have a oil boiler with a tankless
some people have systems such as yours because they want very hot water specifically for their dishwasher and clothes washer, and are piped to those units only. Then they use the tankless for the house. The thing you want to eliminate is having to keep that boiler hot during summer months, or even warm days.....@@MrNickPapagiorgio
Need a indirect
Honeywell valves are better
This guys accent. Lol
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