@Timothy Salomon Yeah I get it, it's the same here. But even being in a hurry, I'd lose customers talking like that, must be a cultural difference. I'm not criticising though, people must be more uptight here, I never thought about it until I watched this.
It’s a regional thing. Certain services/professions, you can’t get away with it, or at least need to gauge the customer. But being direct, with no sugar coating is the norm up here.
Exactly. Its a Northeastern thing. We’re like that too in Northern New Jersey. To the point. People from other parts of the world may perceive us as rude or angry. I tell them when I’m being rude or I’m angry you’ll see a big difference. In short, you’ll know!
Great video, Steve! That boiler had a perfect storm going on there, too! The high limit was letting the water boil, so the T&P was probably popping several times a day or week. The water was displaced by steam and air which found a nice home in the radiators. Also explains why and how the diaphragm in the expansion tank blew out... again, the air made it’s way into the system. Gotta love the homeowner who follows around to “help”, and explain “It’s been like that“ . Yea..., ok!
@Thomas Broking How can any plumber possibly ever give a fixed price over the phone, or even on site..? You are definitely NOT a plumber and know nothing about boilers or their peripheral parts. I can’t fix a price on “no heat”. A burnt out circulator pump costs a whole lot more than a thermo-coupler or a simple roll-out switch. A zone valve can be a bad head, or a stuck body. One takes 5 minutes, the other can take an hour and a half. The boiler in this video had several problems, and big ones. The owner of the house just got lucky anything worse didn’t happen. If you were a plumber, and knew what we know, you would have a deeper appreciation for what was really going on there.
Steve Izzi Yes... He said he liked guys that know whats wrong and give a fixed cost, not guys who charge part by part. I guess he didn’t like my response. 😯
Relief valves on these boilers are pressure release only, not temperature. Expansion tank most likely failed due to age. Pressure has no place to expand to, and pukes out the relief valve once it hits 30lbs. High limit set so high probably didn’t help, but have to also keep in mind water under pressure has a higher boiling point. At 30lbs, it would need to hit 250deg F to boil.
I keep seeing this, if you have cast iron baseboard or rads, then the EX-30 is probably too small -- that's why they fail so quick. Cast iron baseboard has approx. 1/3 gal/ft vs 0.02 gal/ft for 3/4" slantfin. So you have to add up the total system volume, pipes, total ft of baseboard, boiler capacity and make sure the expansion tank can handle it at the boiler limit temp when all zones are hot. Probably need an EX-60 here.
Little Mrs. Molly sure is a little ham. She knows when that camera is on her and you can see her demeanor changes when she knows the bright lights are on her. What a pup.
I was taught to never open the little bypass valve on top of the pressure reducing valve as sometimes it won't close all the way, have you ever ran into that issue?
I'll definitely take my natural gas forced air over that. Lot of work to make sure the air is out of the system. It probably doesn't help that the homeowner tinkers with it all the time.
Yep a lot of hydronics here in Pa. It can be a shit show. Especially if some dyi tries to do it. I said one time that who ever did the install had no idea what was going on. Had 1 and 2 floor returns mixed up. Homeowner said he did it. And he paid for it
I'd take a hot water system any day of the week. I got a zone valve for every room in the house and fan coils for each bed room. Yeah it's complex but it's comfortable. it's not that bad. All diy . Took me about 1 hour to bleed everything the first time I did it.
@@daveschroers4222 trv is a equal to a uncalibrated thermostat and a valve . So what is the difference between attaching it the boiler system and having precision set points. Also all the valves are 3 way valves Granted the system would work with a modulating boiler . Valves been there for 20 years never been replaced. A trv will still short cycle a boiler just like a zone valve will. Both are reducing the load the boiler has to support so if the boiler is oversized they will both short cycle. And wouldn't that really only affect the gas valve . Electronic draft vent and maybe the ignitor ? Really you just need a modulating boiler with good feedback control . But it seems that is hard to come by
😂😂I can't believe the way you talk to your customers: "Turn that on, turn that on!!" I'd never get away with that here in the UK
drewbs86 why not he’s in there like he want to learn treat him like an apprentice
@Timothy Salomon Yeah I get it, it's the same here. But even being in a hurry, I'd lose customers talking like that, must be a cultural difference. I'm not criticising though, people must be more uptight here, I never thought about it until I watched this.
@Timothy Salomon Fair comment Timothy 👍
It’s a regional thing. Certain services/professions, you can’t get away with it, or at least need to gauge the customer. But being direct, with no sugar coating is the norm up here.
Exactly. Its a Northeastern thing. We’re like that too in Northern New Jersey. To the point. People from other parts of the world may perceive us as rude or angry. I tell them when I’m being rude or I’m angry you’ll see a big difference. In short, you’ll know!
Great video, Steve! That boiler had a perfect storm going on there, too!
The high limit was letting the water boil, so the T&P was probably popping several times a day or week. The water was displaced by steam and air which found a nice home in the radiators. Also explains why and how the diaphragm in the expansion tank blew out... again, the air made it’s way into the system.
Gotta love the homeowner who follows around to “help”, and explain “It’s been like that“ . Yea..., ok!
@Thomas Broking
How can any plumber possibly ever give a fixed price over the phone, or even on site..? You are definitely NOT a plumber and know nothing about boilers or their peripheral parts. I can’t fix a price on “no heat”.
A burnt out circulator pump costs a whole lot more than a thermo-coupler or a simple roll-out switch. A zone valve can be a bad head, or a stuck body. One takes 5 minutes, the other can take an hour and a half.
The boiler in this video had several problems, and big ones. The owner of the house just got lucky anything worse didn’t happen. If you were a plumber, and knew what we know, you would have a deeper appreciation for what was really going on there.
John Fitzpatrick did I miss Thomas brokings comment? Looks like he deleted it. Wish I could’ve seen what he said.
Steve Izzi
Yes... He said he liked guys that know whats wrong and give a fixed cost, not guys who charge part by part. I guess he didn’t like my response. 😯
John Fitzpatrick
Oh. So he meant he likes the guys that work for free... not many of those guys around..none that I know of. crazy..
Relief valves on these boilers are pressure release only, not temperature. Expansion tank most likely failed due to age. Pressure has no place to expand to, and pukes out the relief valve once it hits 30lbs. High limit set so high probably didn’t help, but have to also keep in mind water under pressure has a higher boiling point. At 30lbs, it would need to hit 250deg F to boil.
Good job on that system ! Best plumbing and HVC videos on UA-cam!!
I keep seeing this, if you have cast iron baseboard or rads, then the EX-30 is probably too small -- that's why they fail so quick. Cast iron baseboard has approx. 1/3 gal/ft vs 0.02 gal/ft for 3/4" slantfin. So you have to add up the total system volume, pipes, total ft of baseboard, boiler capacity and make sure the expansion tank can handle it at the boiler limit temp when all zones are hot. Probably need an EX-60 here.
I was thinking the same thing. I had a 15 on mine and bumped it to a 30 and never had an issue again.
The tank he replaced was ancient. He should be fine now.
Molly on the lawn pushing out a fritz.
Do you ever travel to NY to do jobs???
I don’t care about plumbing I subbed to see Molly.
Good fix ...Miss Molly's fitting right in ... See ya on the next one ...
Steve you tackled that job like a boss.👍 Peace brother
Happy New Year, Steve and Miss Molly!
Little Mrs. Molly sure is a little ham. She knows when that camera is on her and you can see her demeanor changes when she knows the bright lights are on her. What a pup.
Won’t get heat upstairs with no water in boiler.
Thanks Steven!
Nice job Steve. I guess he’s a new customer. He called the right guy for the job!
tense one .... old equipment can give you troubles when you just don't expect it ....
Trying to wrap my mind around this stuff.
Ha! You’re paying $90.00+ an hour and it’s freezing. You want nice talk or your heat back on? 😂
I was taught to never open the little bypass valve on top of the pressure reducing valve as sometimes it won't close all the way, have you ever ran into that issue?
DON'T BELIEVE EVERY THING YOU HEAR .
steven lavimoniere that’s what I was I thinking, you always pop them open with no problem! Lol I love your videos man
Nice dog
You are a master. But would have enjoyed to watch the actual fixes like your other videos
Good job, Steven Lav.
Miss Molly say turn the heat on in this van!
I have a 2015 mighty therm 2 for sale nice video
I'll definitely take my natural gas forced air over that. Lot of work to make sure the air is out of the system. It probably doesn't help that the homeowner tinkers with it all the time.
Yep a lot of hydronics here in Pa. It can be a shit show. Especially if some dyi tries to do it. I said one time that who ever did the install had no idea what was going on. Had 1 and 2 floor returns mixed up. Homeowner said he did it. And he paid for it
I'd take a hot water system any day of the week.
I got a zone valve for every room in the house and fan coils for each bed room. Yeah it's complex but it's comfortable.
it's not that bad. All diy . Took me about 1 hour to bleed everything the first time I did it.
Lived with both, I’ll stick with a boiler. They really don’t break down often, and aren’t that bad to get going if they do.
@@daveschroers4222 trv is a equal to a uncalibrated thermostat and a valve . So what is the difference between attaching it the boiler system and having precision set points.
Also all the valves are 3 way valves
Granted the system would work with a modulating boiler .
Valves been there for 20 years never been replaced.
A trv will still short cycle a boiler just like a zone valve will. Both are reducing the load the boiler has to support so if the boiler is oversized they will both short cycle. And wouldn't that really only affect the gas valve . Electronic draft vent and maybe the ignitor ?
Really you just need a modulating boiler with good feedback control . But it seems that is hard to come by
"That's been off " feeder off well that's why!
Thumbs Up. Staying Tuned
No need to analyze the entire system. Just change the tank and see if the fill works.
Need water in the system before anything else. Imo
Good work sir ... look at that cutie pooch
Shirtsleeves on Jan. 3. Nice.
miss molly in action 🤗
Nice Job.........
Steve don't deal with snowflakes