I had an ankle joint replaced 6 years ago. I use Camino leather lined boots as my everyday shoe to make sure I protect that ankle. I really like the comfort and lacing system. These will probably last many years. One problem I had with 3 pairs of Meindle is the sole falling off. They were hunting boots that didn't get very much use so I had them 8-10 years. The inner rubber sole literally disintegrated into a powdery substance and the soles came off. I don't know if this is unique to Meindle or common for all boots.
I just bought the Camino Full Grain last Black Friday, and they come with the mountain insole which for me was solid. The full grain leather is amazing on them, but they do not offer them anymore.
Thank you so much my friend! Really wish more boot companies would put premium insoles in their boots from the beginning but we can't have everything haha 😂
What kind of insoles do you replace the Lowa ones with?I have the same problem with my Renegades. Definitely getting the Camino's as my new backpacking boots! Thank you!
I replaced them with the Dr. Scholl's Heavy Duty Support insoles. Found them on Amazon and they have been the much needed upgrade to my boots. Thank you for checking out the video! Really appreciate the comment and the support.
I have wider feet and have the Lowa Renegade Wide, Lowa Tibet Wide and Camino GTX wide, and tried various insoles. The insoles that come with Lowa boots are all the same and are more meant to be taken out and customized. They are rubbish. From all the insoles I've tried, my favourites are SOLE insoles. For the Lowa Tibet, I use the SOLE Active Wide Thick, combined with WigWam thin to medium thick socks for heavy/long backpacking trips. The Renegade and Camino, I use the SOLE Active Wide Medium, which are absolutely amazing and a phenomenal upgrade to already suuuper comfy boots. I've bought my first pair of Renegades in 1998, pretty much when they came out. Sizing is same as Salomon, I wear a 9.5 in both brands. I hope that helps. They're all amazing shoes. If you just need or can afford one pair, get the Camino. The Tibet is a beast that never dies (it's indestructible, but heavy), the Renegade can't be resoled. The Camino is the perfect medium, and a stellar hiking boot for camping, backpacking etc. I wear the Renegade every day when not backpacking (roughly 280 days a year) and a pair lasts me 2-3 years. The Camino I wear 60-80 days a year, and it'll probably last a decade. The Tibet will probably survive me.
SOLE actives and sometimes Sofsole Airrs. I've worn Mammut, Scarpa and the occasional Lowa boots for years. Mammut do a goodish memory foam insole and they're a bit more cushioned. Scarpa and Lowa insoles wear out too fast and provide little cushioning. With Scarpa I think this is a deliberate decision to keep the wearer aware of the ground but I feel like my feet have been beaten up over a long trek. It seems like spending this amount of money should get you a boot with a decent insole but that's not my experience.
Just curious how do you have a 50-70 pound backpack? The most my pack had ever weighed was for a 5 day trip and my pack weighed 44 pounds with 4 liters of water.
I'm a gear nut and love to bring stuff with me plus. I also have legs that don't tire from weight and loading my bag with 70lbs isn't any type of challenge for me personally or hasn't been yet lol. I like to train heavy, so if I have to carry someone out I'm capable of doing that ( which I've done for my wife who rolled her ankle 6 miles from the trail head ) My brother on the other hand is a bring nothing type of hiker and we make fun of each other all the time in good fun.
Before you broke them in. How was the fit? Where were they tight? If the outer toes fit snug and tight in the boot, is this a sign to get the next size up or should i persevere and break them In?
I did have a little bit of break in on the renegades, mostly on sides of my foot below my toes, but if your feeling tightness around the toes I'd personally go up a size. I'm going to try a size up on the renegades next time around just to get a better comparison to fit. The Camino's were good to go on day one.
Camino GTX - The third lace hooks down from the top are on tabs - do you think this is a point that could wear out more quickly than other areas on the boot?
How do you find the toe box on the renegade? I have very wide foot and a bunion so need something that is close to the Keen's for width but need deeper lugs like what lowa have, thanks!
I'm extremely happy with the toe room in the renegades. I wear these 10hours a day 4 days a week and my feet are good at the end of each day. As someone with wide feet as well I recommend these boots. May take a day or more to fully break in but that's true for most pairs out there but even day one with these boots I didn't have any type of discomfort.
I like the look and the design hands down but I'd have to go try them on because I didn't see that they made them in a wide which always is a personal disappointment for me since that is what I need. I'll definitely be looking into them further this early spring
@@PNWoutdoorReviews thanks for the reply. I’m a bit tossed on boot selection. I’m a heavier guy so I need a bit more support for even day hikes without a pack. I like the lightness of the Oboz Bridger but I’m afraid it won’t give me enough support. I want to try the Lowa Renegade but like you didn’t like the fact that it didn’t have a toe cap.
You told both models are wide fit. But when you show them on camera together, the camino boot looked much narrower. I want to buy the camino pair for myself, but i have wide feet and i'm worried aren't they gonna be too narrow. Also, is there really a difference in the width between the two models?
@@martosgamingbg3155 I felt the Camino to be much more comfortable on day one of wearing vs the Renegade. I definitely have some wide feet myself and I still to this day couldn't be happier with the overall fitment of both of these boots.
It's a painted on rubber toe guard that the boot store I purchased from put on for me. You can buy those type of kits and apply it on yourself if you don't have a local shop that does it.
I'm thinking of buying the renegade more for daily use and for hiking on small trips an since I'm a big guy, what type/brand of insoles did you buy, I also have bend/twist my ankles do you think they are good at preventing it
These boots offer great ankle support. I'm a mechanic and I'm crawling all over heavy equipment. These are probably my favorite boots so far just because they are light weight and once broken in very comfortable. I use the Dr. Scholl's Heavy Duty Support insoles. They are specificly designed for bigger dudes. Thank you for checking out the video and supporting the channel.
What insoles do you use in the Caminos? Must admit I'm still pissed that boots costing over 300 bucks are shipped with mediocre insoles. I've had the same problems in other boots so it's not just Lowa.
@@PNWoutdoorReviews cool & thanks. I've tried Sorbathones but they increased my foot height too much. The only hiking boots I've bought with great insoles are from Oboz and Salewa. Neither shoe is quite right for me but at least they put effort into their insoles.
Yeah I totally forgot to mention that. I have my boot shop apply a rubber coating to the tip of my work boots to prevent premature wear. It has been a game changer for the longevity of my boots.
@@radfordroad3663 I don't know exactly the name of the product they use but every real boot store usually has some form of it available. The boot store I shop at is Footwear Outfitters in Richland,WA and they are literally the most helpful group of people I've ever done business with.
@@PNWoutdoorReviews love to hear. I recently ordered some , will be my first boots , I see that I ordered this older model instead of the EVO instead so was kinda disappointed , but if this old model is still going. Are they still waterproof? How much has the tread worn?
@@corpseplague They have been fully submerged mid ankle and never leaked a drop. I've lost track of the overall mileage but the tread oddly doesn't seem to have worn all that much which truly surprised me considering the terrain I've put them through. The breath very well and break in almost immediately.
Have you tried Meindl or Hanwag? For the price of the Camino you could easily get a good pair of Meindl or Hanwag, which in my opinion are a cut above. I have the Renegade GTX for everyday use, and picked them up for US$135 in Finland plus only $20 Fedex. They’re ok, but they’re well down on Meindl for comfort and durability. At around $150 delivered I’m happy, but Meindl make much better boots, and Hanwag are really hard core.
I haven't yet had the opportunity to try out either of those boots but I'm really wanting to get those to compare. I'm always open to suggestions or recommendations so thank you for this information cause I probably wouldn't have ever known about these or may have just over looked them. Appreciate you taking the time to let me know and thank you for checking out the review. I'll let you know when I get these.
Got the Lowa Camino and really happy with them, outstanding shoes, just on point for my preferences and my footshape. Before I bough these I've tried everything on Meindl Island, Hanwag Alaska and another Lowa Models like Z6N and so on, but Camino was the best for me, the wider (wxl) version was the key. Perfect balanced between comfort and stability, not too sturdy to walk long trails and sturdy enough to go in mid high mountains. Every shoes got theire week points and the Camino is no exception but in overall its a beastly performer. Thats not my last Lowa. Thanks for the Video and comparison. Good luck in the future.
What do you think about Hanwag Banks SF Extra GTX (or Hanwag Banks GTX) vs Lowa Renegate GTX Mid? Which is better? I have a little wider foot. I really like the design of Lowa Renegate GTX Mid but I don't know which is more comfortable.
@@MywebsiteWP I'd recommend the Renegade. I have wider feet too, and commented above on the sizing and insoles etc on Billy Jones comment. I do like Hanwag, I tried the Hanwag Banks, I've had (and still have) the Hanwag Alaska I bought over 20 years ago (and it's very beat up), but for a daily light hiking boot, the Renegade is hard to beat, especially if you have wider feet like me.
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I really love the Lowa Camino's when I am backpacking.
I had an ankle joint replaced 6 years ago. I use Camino leather lined boots as my everyday shoe to make sure I protect that ankle. I really like the comfort and lacing system. These will probably last many years.
One problem I had with 3 pairs of Meindle is the sole falling off. They were hunting boots that didn't get very much use so I had them 8-10 years. The inner rubber sole literally disintegrated into a powdery substance and the soles came off. I don't know if this is unique to Meindle or common for all boots.
I just bought the Camino Full Grain last Black Friday, and they come with the mountain insole which for me was solid. The full grain leather is amazing on them, but they do not offer them anymore.
Good review , I had to replace my insoles for comfort as well , thanks for sharing , stay safe , God bless !
Thank you so much my friend! Really wish more boot companies would put premium insoles in their boots from the beginning but we can't have everything haha 😂
@@PNWoutdoorReviews I agree I almost always either swap out or add to for comfort
Simple, honest review. Thanks James 👍
Thank you for checking out the review. Appreciate you!
sole wears very fast on Renegade.
I wear a size 15 hard to find boots I'll have to see if they have any
I know for a fact they make the renegades in a 15
15, Jesus Christ!! What are you, Bob Lanier's son?
What kind of insoles do you replace the Lowa ones with?I have the same problem with my Renegades. Definitely getting the Camino's as my new backpacking boots! Thank you!
I replaced them with the Dr. Scholl's Heavy Duty Support insoles. Found them on Amazon and they have been the much needed upgrade to my boots.
Thank you for checking out the video! Really appreciate the comment and the support.
I have wider feet and have the Lowa Renegade Wide, Lowa Tibet Wide and Camino GTX wide, and tried various insoles. The insoles that come with Lowa boots are all the same and are more meant to be taken out and customized. They are rubbish. From all the insoles I've tried, my favourites are SOLE insoles. For the Lowa Tibet, I use the SOLE Active Wide Thick, combined with WigWam thin to medium thick socks for heavy/long backpacking trips. The Renegade and Camino, I use the SOLE Active Wide Medium, which are absolutely amazing and a phenomenal upgrade to already suuuper comfy boots. I've bought my first pair of Renegades in 1998, pretty much when they came out. Sizing is same as Salomon, I wear a 9.5 in both brands.
I hope that helps. They're all amazing shoes. If you just need or can afford one pair, get the Camino. The Tibet is a beast that never dies (it's indestructible, but heavy), the Renegade can't be resoled. The Camino is the perfect medium, and a stellar hiking boot for camping, backpacking etc. I wear the Renegade every day when not backpacking (roughly 280 days a year) and a pair lasts me 2-3 years. The Camino I wear 60-80 days a year, and it'll probably last a decade. The Tibet will probably survive me.
SOLE actives and sometimes Sofsole Airrs. I've worn Mammut, Scarpa and the occasional Lowa boots for years. Mammut do a goodish memory foam insole and they're a bit more cushioned. Scarpa and Lowa insoles wear out too fast and provide little cushioning. With Scarpa I think this is a deliberate decision to keep the wearer aware of the ground but I feel like my feet have been beaten up over a long trek.
It seems like spending this amount of money should get you a boot with a decent insole but that's not my experience.
Just curious how do you have a 50-70 pound backpack? The most my pack had ever weighed was for a 5 day trip and my pack weighed 44 pounds with 4 liters of water.
I'm a gear nut and love to bring stuff with me plus. I also have legs that don't tire from weight and loading my bag with 70lbs isn't any type of challenge for me personally or hasn't been yet lol. I like to train heavy, so if I have to carry someone out I'm capable of doing that ( which I've done for my wife who rolled her ankle 6 miles from the trail head )
My brother on the other hand is a bring nothing type of hiker and we make fun of each other all the time in good fun.
I Ike the idea of re-soling boots. How's the traction in snow & ice?
I have no complaints with either of these when it comes to traction in the snow. Wether hiking or working they both have been great.
Informative.
Before you broke them in. How was the fit? Where were they tight?
If the outer toes fit snug and tight in the boot, is this a sign to get the next size up or should i persevere and break them In?
I did have a little bit of break in on the renegades, mostly on sides of my foot below my toes, but if your feeling tightness around the toes I'd personally go up a size. I'm going to try a size up on the renegades next time around just to get a better comparison to fit. The Camino's were good to go on day one.
Camino GTX - The third lace hooks down from the top are on tabs - do you think this is a point that could wear out more quickly than other areas on the boot?
How do you find the toe box on the renegade? I have very wide foot and a bunion so need something that is close to the Keen's for width but need deeper lugs like what lowa have, thanks!
I'm extremely happy with the toe room in the renegades. I wear these 10hours a day 4 days a week and my feet are good at the end of each day. As someone with wide feet as well I recommend these boots. May take a day or more to fully break in but that's true for most pairs out there but even day one with these boots I didn't have any type of discomfort.
@@PNWoutdoorReviews Thanks for the insight appreciate it! Definitely will consider getting these next 😁
The Lowa Baldo seems to split the gap between the Renegade and Camino. I’m strongly considering the Baldo. Any thoughts?
I like the look and the design hands down but I'd have to go try them on because I didn't see that they made them in a wide which always is a personal disappointment for me since that is what I need. I'll definitely be looking into them further this early spring
@@PNWoutdoorReviews thanks for the reply. I’m a bit tossed on boot selection. I’m a heavier guy so I need a bit more support for even day hikes without a pack. I like the lightness of the Oboz Bridger but I’m afraid it won’t give me enough support. I want to try the Lowa Renegade but like you didn’t like the fact that it didn’t have a toe cap.
@@PNWoutdoorReviews Hi, have you managed to get acquainted with Baldo and what would be the reviews in comparison?
You told both models are wide fit. But when you show them on camera together, the camino boot looked much narrower. I want to buy the camino pair for myself, but i have wide feet and i'm worried aren't they gonna be too narrow. Also, is there really a difference in the width between the two models?
@@martosgamingbg3155 I felt the Camino to be much more comfortable on day one of wearing vs the Renegade. I definitely have some wide feet myself and I still to this day couldn't be happier with the overall fitment of both of these boots.
What did you put on the outer toe of your renegade? I don't want to rip up the front of my shoes in the first few months
It's a painted on rubber toe guard that the boot store I purchased from put on for me. You can buy those type of kits and apply it on yourself if you don't have a local shop that does it.
@@PNWoutdoorReviews Great thanks for the response! I subbed and look forward to more videos in the future
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What was the insole you picked up? Would like to know your feedback! Thanks
"Dr. Scholl's Heavy Duty Support Insole"
These have been a game changer for me personally and I use them in literally everything I wear
Thanks! I just ordered the Renegade GTX, so I just wanted to be ahead of the game. Thanks! I hope the Renegade is as good as all reviews say they are!
No zero about actual footwear. I just put on whatever is comfortable lol
I'm thinking of buying the renegade more for daily use and for hiking on small trips an since I'm a big guy, what type/brand of insoles did you buy, I also have bend/twist my ankles do you think they are good at preventing it
These boots offer great ankle support. I'm a mechanic and I'm crawling all over heavy equipment. These are probably my favorite boots so far just because they are light weight and once broken in very comfortable. I use the Dr. Scholl's Heavy Duty Support insoles. They are specificly designed for bigger dudes.
Thank you for checking out the video and supporting the channel.
What insoles do you use in the Caminos? Must admit I'm still pissed that boots costing over 300 bucks are shipped with mediocre insoles. I've had the same problems in other boots so it's not just Lowa.
I completely agree with you 💯 I use the Dr Scholl's heavy duty support insoles for every boot and shoe I wear.
@@PNWoutdoorReviews cool & thanks. I've tried Sorbathones but they increased my foot height too much. The only hiking boots I've bought with great insoles are from Oboz and Salewa. Neither shoe is quite right for me but at least they put effort into their insoles.
sorry, but what colour are your LOWA boots please ?
@@16yearstravel "SEPIA" is what the call this color option
I love Camino's and I agree with you 100%, hoverer at this point I need something for higher temperatures. Ideally something like Camino ... :)
Camino LL 🤫
Is the leather lining really that comfortable in hot temps? Would’ve thought some synthetic non- gtx lining would be preferable.
Hoverer??
Just curious, what is on the toe of the renegade?
Yeah I totally forgot to mention that. I have my boot shop apply a rubber coating to the tip of my work boots to prevent premature wear. It has been a game changer for the longevity of my boots.
Very smart. Can you disclose the product or your shops name?
@@radfordroad3663 I don't know exactly the name of the product they use but every real boot store usually has some form of it available. The boot store I shop at is Footwear Outfitters in Richland,WA and they are literally the most helpful group of people I've ever done business with.
How is the Camino holding up?
Still my go to boots in my collection and they are in great condition. They truly hold up
@@PNWoutdoorReviews love to hear. I recently ordered some , will be my first boots , I see that I ordered this older model instead of the EVO instead so was kinda disappointed , but if this old model is still going.
Are they still waterproof? How much has the tread worn?
@@corpseplague They have been fully submerged mid ankle and never leaked a drop. I've lost track of the overall mileage but the tread oddly doesn't seem to have worn all that much which truly surprised me considering the terrain I've put them through. The breath very well and break in almost immediately.
Have you tried Meindl or Hanwag? For the price of the Camino you could easily get a good pair of Meindl or Hanwag, which in my opinion are a cut above. I have the Renegade GTX for everyday use, and picked them up for US$135 in Finland plus only $20 Fedex. They’re ok, but they’re well down on Meindl for comfort and durability. At around $150 delivered I’m happy, but Meindl make much better boots, and Hanwag are really hard core.
I haven't yet had the opportunity to try out either of those boots but I'm really wanting to get those to compare. I'm always open to suggestions or recommendations so thank you for this information cause I probably wouldn't have ever known about these or may have just over looked them. Appreciate you taking the time to let me know and thank you for checking out the review. I'll let you know when I get these.
At least you can recomand a model from Meindl or Hanwag if you mention them.
Got the Lowa Camino and really happy with them, outstanding shoes, just on point for my preferences and my footshape. Before I bough these I've tried everything on Meindl Island, Hanwag Alaska and another Lowa Models like Z6N and so on, but Camino was the best for me, the wider (wxl) version was the key. Perfect balanced between comfort and stability, not too sturdy to walk long trails and sturdy enough to go in mid high mountains. Every shoes got theire week points and the Camino is no exception but in overall its a beastly performer. Thats not my last Lowa. Thanks for the Video and comparison. Good luck in the future.
What do you think about Hanwag Banks SF Extra GTX (or Hanwag Banks GTX) vs Lowa Renegate GTX Mid? Which is better? I have a little wider foot. I really like the design of Lowa Renegate GTX Mid but I don't know which is more comfortable.
@@MywebsiteWP I'd recommend the Renegade. I have wider feet too, and commented above on the sizing and insoles etc on Billy Jones comment. I do like Hanwag, I tried the Hanwag Banks, I've had (and still have) the Hanwag Alaska I bought over 20 years ago (and it's very beat up), but for a daily light hiking boot, the Renegade is hard to beat, especially if you have wider feet like me.
Got Renegade GTX over 10 years now. Tried Hanwag Tatra 2 GTX and those shoes are crap. Never ever buy Hanwag. I will go straight back to Lowa
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