SAAB 93 TPS trouble/THROTTLE BODY (works for any car)

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  • Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
  • Hello again everyone,
    I will show you in this video how to diagnose a typical TPS fault in any car and how to replace it in a SAAB 93 with the B207 engine.
    There are many codes that can have the same affect on the car (mentioned in the video) these codes usually will cause a limp home mode.
    Here is one of the most important TSBs that includes all possible fault codes:
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    Enjoy the video.

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  • @vajalabadze28
    @vajalabadze28 6 місяців тому +1

    Hello. And whats about P2135 code? Faulty Throttle body or acceleration pedal?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  6 місяців тому

      Usually ECU or wiring, sometimes accelerator pedal .. i heard some people replaced throttle body to solve it but never seen myself neither i trust it, as this an accelerator pedal code

  • @mica122213
    @mica122213 4 роки тому +3

    Another note on this TPS is the connectors under the battery, I had throttle body error P0638-after hours of research on the boards, there are a few connectors under the battery tray, that you can take apart and clean with contact cleaner. this cleared my code, i forget what it was though. Another one of the Saab known problems. just fyi for anyone else. Here is also a tsb for pins, but I believe they call the connector H42.
    Multiple Junction Connector: All Technical Service Bulletins
    Engine Controls - DTC's P0638/P1682 SetTECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
    Bulletin Nbr: 248-2423
    Date: November 2003
    Market: allDiagnostic trouble code P0638 and/or P1682, dislodged pins in H42-2Cars affectedSaab 9-3 (9440) M03 with engine alternative B207E/L/RBackgroundDiagnostic trouble code P0638 and/or P1682 can be indicated despite the fault being located elsewhere than indicated by fault diagnosis. Several
    electronic throttle actuators have been replaced unnecessarily when the fault is dislodged pins in connector H42-2.For this reason, H42-2 must be checked with regard to dislodged pins before the electronic throttle actuator is replaced. In particular, check the pins
    which are connected to the accelerator pedal position sensor (pins 13, 14, 17, 18, 19 and 20 in H42-2).In the case of customer complaint the following procedure must first be carried out.Symptom descriptionDiagnostic trouble code P0638 and/or P1682 are/is indicated.Procedure1.Read off the car's diagnostic trouble codes.2.Remove the battery cover etc etc.

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому +1

      Joeybabbs .BABBS i left a link in the video description for the most complete TSB about the issue and the connector ..

    • @gaborzold8618
      @gaborzold8618 4 роки тому +4

      It would be nice to have a short video how to access and clean those problematic connectors. I also have p0638, my TB is dirty and needs to be cleaned so this video really great for me, but I am confused where to find h42-2 and what parts should be removed before.

  • @Keychaincustoms._43
    @Keychaincustoms._43 Рік тому +1

    I have a p0606 code but ireally feel like my thorrtle bidy messing with my ecu

  • @AngelShelburneplus
    @AngelShelburneplus 4 роки тому +3

    Thanks for the video. Where does the lower hose of the booster control value connect to, to the right of the engine? Mine has disconnected and broken from it's destination.

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому

      I really cant imagine what exactly u r trying to describe, feel free to eMail me with photos to better help me help u, grab me eMail from the info section of the channel .

  • @gregsarro5839
    @gregsarro5839 11 місяців тому

    I have a code p2135 and p0010 could a bad throttle body also throw off the solenoid actuator?

  • @Angell-Angell
    @Angell-Angell 4 роки тому +2

    Base on your experience what you think about a 2003 saab 9-3 turbo that had the battery disconected to clear a steering wheel code so that it can drive again which it did but die in the middle of the road the next day.. When opening the hood I've noticed a noise (whistle like) and clicking noise Coming from the throttle body when I removed the intake hose I can see: the throttle body trying to go back to the original position?? (That's my guess) but was unable to do so.. the clicking sound will stop for a moment and it will do it again as the Wise sound will continue??..

    • @Angell-Angell
      @Angell-Angell 4 роки тому

      By the way.. The only way I can get it to stop is by disconnecting the battery..

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому

      U should be able to read the fault codes stored in the car when this happen by any cheap OBD reader, and post them here .

    • @Angell-Angell
      @Angell-Angell 4 роки тому +1

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY PO122 , PO223 , PO687 , PO638 , PO122 , PO223 , PO687 , PO638.. So I've change the spark plugs and did a radiator flush car was running excellent before all this.. I've noticed my battery was week and I was in the process of getting a new one but then all this codes appear.. On the fuse box I also noticed that someone have put a 7.5 fuse in the place of the 5 fuse (on place number 2) that it needs to written with the steering wheel lock Wich by the way that message didn't show back up any information will be appreciated since the car only turns but no start at the moment..

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому

      Angel Angel , make sure u have a good battery to start with, it can mislead our diagnosis.
      from the codes, i can see u probably have two separate issues, one being the throttle body and one being the ECU.
      I would suggest throttle body replacement initially, which should solve the no start if the codes remain the same after battery replacement.
      however there might be codes remaining after all that and these point to a failed ECU but it would not prevent the car from sunning and driving.

    • @Angell-Angell
      @Angell-Angell 4 роки тому

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY all I'm gonna say is that I have made the most expensive radiator flush in my life!!.. Turns out that when I was doing so I've splash some coolant/water in one of the plugs of the computer and so it burn it.. Your guess was right when you said it may be the computer.. Do you happen to know a trust worthy business that sales those ECUs??.. hopefully that's all I need for now to get back running..

  • @joseomarguerrerocastaneda8158
    @joseomarguerrerocastaneda8158 3 роки тому +1

    Hello friend, I need your help please I have been struggling with this heinous error code P0638, save me! I talk to you; I ordered another used throttle body and replaced, both bodies lubricated them from the gears and tried, I have also put an alternative accelerator pedal and clean of the tracks, the code continued, I checked the wiring physically in the harness and it looks clean free of rust I don't see broken wires. I did this because I bought parts at a good price, all used. I tested 2 throttle bodies and 2 pedals in total. Suspect my ECU and clone another one, I did tests and the error continues, I have not checked the cable under the battery, I have Tech 2 and I would like to diagnose like you. My symptoms are always at a certain speed or accelerating my saab, it seems that the body closes and slows down until I stop the car shakes, I turn off the car and start again, sometimes it starts normal and others a little slow. Greetings from Mexico and thank you.

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  3 роки тому

      It is hard for me to guid u with diagnosis on this code, however its always either the throttle body or ECU .
      Ur best chance is to to try to take the parts from a working car and try to know if it is the throttle body or the ECU

    • @joseomarguerrerocastaneda8158
      @joseomarguerrerocastaneda8158 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      I am going to clean the h24-2 cable connector first, then I will diagnose my TPS sensors, I hope to find the error. Your video has helped me a lot even so, thank you.

  • @JamesGodish
    @JamesGodish 3 роки тому +1

    My car isn't starting since replacing the throttle body with a new reconditioned one. Any ideas? It's just clicking at the throttle body and car wont crank at all.

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  3 роки тому

      Did u disconnect the battery before replacement ? If not, find a scan tool to clear codes, if thats doesn’t do it, then the new TB is bad

    • @JamesGodish
      @JamesGodish 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY It ended up being the battery. Strange thing is, it started up just fine 15 min. prior to putting in the new throttle body. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

  • @bully6877
    @bully6877 3 роки тому +1

    Hi I have a p1681 code and car keeps going into reduced performance mode. Any ideas. Its a saab 93 2007 linear sport petrol. Love your videos.

  • @richardkis8802
    @richardkis8802 4 роки тому +1

    Hi did you just clean up the throttle body or replaced? I missed that part of video.

  • @Aero93
    @Aero93 2 роки тому +1

    Can I replace throttle body on 2003 Aero with throttle body from newer model/ restyle 2007+, the one that have plastic cover over gears?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  2 роки тому +1

      If u change the engine harness with it, and replace the ECM or flash it with newer software .

    • @Aero93
      @Aero93 2 роки тому

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY Thanks buddy!

    • @caractacusbrittania7442
      @caractacusbrittania7442 6 місяців тому

      Pre 2006 are 8 pin connector,
      2007 on are 6 pin connector on the throttle body.

  • @Omar-xw7gn
    @Omar-xw7gn Рік тому

    I have a Saab 93 2,0t is gaving me code for throttle and and anther code for pcm ecm can bad throttle can make a code for the ecm ? Pls

  • @evanames1871
    @evanames1871 3 роки тому

    Hey man I need your help. Got two codes for my 2010 Saab 93. P2135. And p1681.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated

  • @Turbo-X
    @Turbo-X Рік тому

    What about no error codes, but throttle sensor value shows 2 fixed values, first around 0.6V, second around 4.4V, idling or running, no matter?

  • @kelahpahang
    @kelahpahang 3 роки тому +1

    I keep getting PO638 on my 05 2.0t Saab 9-3.Does it mean a new TB is required?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  3 роки тому +1

      It usually points to a failed TB , sometimes if the big grey connector under the battery has any corrosion will cause the same fault code, however in some occasions a bad ECU can generate the same code .

    • @vacuumsaab8968
      @vacuumsaab8968 Рік тому

      did you end up fixing it? and how?

  • @thisistheway1766
    @thisistheway1766 3 роки тому +1

    Hello
    Do you have any suggestions on what it can be when warning Light Limited Performance is on

  • @richardkis8802
    @richardkis8802 4 роки тому +1

    Thx, does new TB just plug and play or need relearn by tech 2?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому

      As long as u remove the battery before the removal of the TB and only connect it after you done putting the new one, then no need for relearn

  • @eirikbrattsti
    @eirikbrattsti 3 роки тому +1

    Great video, what tool did you use to adjust and view the graph?

  • @thisistheway1766
    @thisistheway1766 3 роки тому +1

    Hello
    Do i need tech2 to pair the TB with the car?

  • @ignerevhak
    @ignerevhak 3 роки тому +1

    i got p0122 how can i fix

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  3 роки тому

      Check wiring between throttle body and ECM, if all good then replace the throttle body, in rare cases a defective ECM can cause that code

  • @Farmer2492
    @Farmer2492 2 роки тому

    Hi great video i have a saab 93 vector auto it was working perfect we pulled at the garage put fuel in it run fine but went to start it it started but run rough i got half way home and it wouldnt start so trailered it home still wouldnt start the next day so i took battery lead off and put it back on it started straight up but the engine light is on and it must be in limp mode as the pedal to the floor it on does 3000 rmp any help appreciated

  • @mz4176
    @mz4176 4 роки тому

    Hi. Does anyone know the APPS wiring at the the plug / connector (each color)?

  • @118-i5n
    @118-i5n Рік тому

    would this cause stutter when max boost at 60mph also got a p0442 thanks

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  Рік тому

      No, describe the Stutter ..

    • @ZOMG1001
      @ZOMG1001 Рік тому

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY boost fine until 4th 5th gear then at full boost it begins to hiccups?pretty badly too. I reset the obd2 codes and seems like it helped but still have the stutter

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  Рік тому

      @@ZOMG1001 bad coils

    • @ZOMG1001
      @ZOMG1001 Рік тому

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY thx I had replaced cly 3 coil about 2000miles ago maybe they're all going

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  Рік тому +1

      @@ZOMG1001 u can look at the scanner live data, misfire data, during the event, and figure out which one exactly failing .. use only OEM coils

  • @thetinmannc
    @thetinmannc 3 роки тому

    Throttle body replacement, with a basic scan tool and battery reset does turn off check engine light. Either heat or electrical sets it back off. Do I need a Tech2 to properly clear and or program new TPS?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  3 роки тому

      On the 2.0 engines, all u need is to clear any codes .

    • @thetinmannc
      @thetinmannc 3 роки тому

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY Yes, thats seems right. I think the ECU got too hot and must send it off (ran water during a coolant leak issue that has actually subsided?) I think we're good. Thank you, sir.

  • @AlexSakellaris
    @AlexSakellaris 5 років тому +2

    Thanks again for another useful and nicely done/documented video. What scan tool did you use on your tablet? And what OBD interface works with the scan software? Is this some software port of Tech2?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  5 років тому

      Alex Sakellaris this is a stand alone scan tool MAXISYS906 .. it has similar software to the Tech2 and many other factory scan tools

  • @TemporarLegendar
    @TemporarLegendar 4 роки тому

    Thanks for a very good video. I have problems with surge when in cruise control. If I set it at 70-80mph, it's not as noticeable, but if it's set at 90mph then the turbo needle fluctuates constantly, and there's a noticeable surge, with the car pulling and stopping constantly. You mention TPS only fails under the same acceleration demand, could it be this that's the problem? I am not getting a surge if I accelerate and keep the speed steady, the boost pressure holds (I check with an eSID). It only happens in cruise control. So far I have changed the boot control valve, and the bypass control valve, and no luck. Am in the process of changing the bypass valve. I saw your video about the possible vacuum leakes and decided to do a gasket for the bypass valve. Unfortunately, it failed, and so I put it back to factory. I am thinking maybe I disturbed the alignment of the valve and, so I am getting a leak. Will install a Forge valve in the coming days. Any suggestions would be welcomed. Thank you very much again for the good videos!

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому +1

      Its hard to pin point the issue remotely, however from experience if there are no fault codes then bypass valve is an option, TPS and MAF ..
      But could be boost leak as well. Good luck

    • @TemporarLegendar
      @TemporarLegendar 4 роки тому

      Thanks for the reply! I'll see where I get with it.

  • @jamesmcdonald2326
    @jamesmcdonald2326 4 роки тому

    Are these bad on the 2011 turbo4s too. Mine is a 2.0 engine I think, but the gas pedal feels really loose, car wouldn't start sometimes, and after stopping and driving slow and car does not shift smoothly through gears. In traffic it is pretty annoying when you are stopped then have you go because you have to press down sorta far and the car feels like it goes really slow then bucks, any help with this issue or if it is this? I have never had an engine light go off at all?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому

      James McDonald thats really tough to say based on the symptoms only ..

    • @Thatdude121312
      @Thatdude121312 4 роки тому

      Did you ever figure it out I have the same issue

    • @jamesmcdonald2326
      @jamesmcdonald2326 4 роки тому

      @@Thatdude121312 It's a common 2.0T saabs fault. Many people have reported this issue on these and the older 2L saabs unfortunately and that's just the way it runs (no cel,, anything) and yes I replaced almost everything. The Saab 9-3 2.8T V6s tend to run more responsive and smoother without these issues I'm currently selling mine for a v6 Saab. (This is related to the bucking issue though) I replaced the fuel pump and it starts right up, the weird noises come back though but it still cranks

  • @waynemcpherson9913
    @waynemcpherson9913 4 роки тому

    Need newthrottle body and Cable.

  • @JamesGodish
    @JamesGodish 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the video. I'm getting a P2135 code on my 2005 Saab 9-3. I tried locating the grey connector under the battery to check the connection but could find no wires at all when I took the battery and box out. Is it located toward the front? Thanks again.

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  3 роки тому +1

      Check the photo in this post,
      www.saabcentral.com/threads/the-big-grey-connector-under-the-battery-h42-2-h24-2-connectors-same-connector-just-different-name-depend-on-model-year.736374/

    • @JamesGodish
      @JamesGodish 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY That’s great thank you. That’s more towards the front of the battery that’s why I couldn’t find it. Fairly easy to disconnect? Thanks again.

    • @JGDavid
      @JGDavid 2 роки тому

      @@JamesGodish Hi Jim, were you able to solve the problem? I am having the same issue on my 2005 saab 9-3 aero

    • @JamesGodish
      @JamesGodish 2 роки тому +2

      @@JGDavid Yes. I replaced the throttle body and I was back in business.

  • @gaetanperrier74
    @gaetanperrier74 5 років тому +2

    Thanks for posting it. What type of diagnostic tool are you using. It looks much more modern than a Tech2. Does it replace it ? Thanks

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  5 років тому

      Gaetan PERRIER im using MAXISYS906 .. which an advanced scan tool for many makes and model, it is much more futuristic than a tech2 but it doesnt replace it 100%, maybe 95%

    • @gaetanperrier74
      @gaetanperrier74 5 років тому +1

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY Great thanks. Can I also make some setting modification such as lights , doors closing like on the Tech2. Looks like a much more handy tool and works on more cars. I should consider this one. Thanks again

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  5 років тому

      Gaetan PERRIER u can do some stuff, it can add keys for example, change engine idle speed and others, but not a full list.

  • @webastozs81vr
    @webastozs81vr 3 роки тому

    what diagnostic tool did you use in this video

  • @demondmorris7308
    @demondmorris7308 4 роки тому

    What if you don't have any codes?

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому

      Can u explain !

    • @demondmorris7308
      @demondmorris7308 4 роки тому

      No codes or check engine light, but my car revs fine in neutral, but once in gear it hesitates until the gas pedal is pushed all the way down and then the car moves. It does this in each gear, I was think either tps or gas pedal sensor

  • @Choowy
    @Choowy 4 роки тому

    Hey my 2005 saab 9-3 wont turn on anymore and just cranks, bought some starter fluid and wanna test to see if it turns on with it. Do i spray the Starter fluid in the "Throttle Body" or in the "Intake Manifold"? I'm a complete noob
    Also, The car fails to connect with 3 of my scanners so I cant get any codes.

    • @TheFlyingMechanicDIY
      @TheFlyingMechanicDIY  4 роки тому +1

      Chuy i would spray it in the throttle body, however if u say its not connecting with a scanner, there is a good chance of an ABS module failure .. bit cant confirm that without proper testing

    • @Choowy
      @Choowy 4 роки тому

      @@TheFlyingMechanicDIY I appreciate the quick reaponse! Will do that when i get home & funny that you mention ABS because the ABS light is on.