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Has Trump ever raised his clenched fists over a presidential podium on a militant blood red stage, loudly vowing to eliminate what we have been told is the greatest threat this nation faces, which is people who want to make America great again?
I think when Trump says certain leaders are strong it means he thinks they’re someone not to be trifled with. It doesn’t necessarily mean he admires them…
Yes, it seems more like Trump respects tyrants and dictators, not out of worship and admiration, but because it's smart when dealing with leaders ruling out of brute strength and force. It's how to do global politics. Americans can be quite naive and too literalist. Gotta read between the lines and appreciate complexity of foreign relations.
Absolutely. People think Trump is addressing the public when he speaks about world leaders. He’s not. He’s speaking to THEM. He’s playing a game with them. When he says they’re strong, he wants them to think he thinks they’re strong. It’s all subliminal messaging.
I personally don't like Trump's personality. But his policies are right on the mark when it comes to the United States and what it needs to get out of the depths of woke socialism.
@@Graeberwave It's a darn shame Dad picked the John Stoessel du jour (not certain the actual year) to read on his commute (Dad hates public transportation) from Hoboken to his soul-killing marketing job at Viacom in Times Square instead of something by David Graeber. Oh well.
What you should see is that he is fighting the massively corrupt Washington DC country club. You know, the 14,000 lobbyist on K street that are multi millionaires themselves paid by the richest corporations and men on earth. These are very smart people and they actually write the laws and force them into congress. They have 100 different ways to money launder the massive US tax base into personal wealth for those who participate in the pillaging and support the system.
We don't even have any semblance of socialism, we have neoliberalism, the ultra private sector free market ideology of providing the lowest possible quality at the highest possible price.
i think trump calls putin and the north korean leader strong is like "keeping your friends close but your enemies closer" . i dont think he really means it, hes just 'poofing' them up to keep their tempers down. seems easy wau to do it
On the plus side, I've really spent a lot of time studying fascism, socialism and communism. I would recommend reading the 25 points of national socialism, _The Doctrine of Fascism,_ and _Science, Politics and Gnosticism._ Seriously these are not long texts. S,P&G is the longest at about 95 pages, the DoF is all of 20 pages
Be wary of over simplifications. That is a very American approach to explaining everything everywhere. Sadly most are willing to embrace complex arguments reduced to simple stereotypes.
Oh i thought this is where we go for intelligent conversations. Putin is not weak, he might not be a great guy, but weak? Ridiculous. Trump is only concerned with being famous? This is a boneheaded take on reality.
I am a Trump supporter, and I don’t think he’s flawless, and I haven’t met another Trump supporter who thinks he’s flawless. Every single Trump supporter I’ve spoken to has some thing about him that they really don’t like and wish he would change. They just think that overall he’s the best president we’ve ever had and we want him back.
I get I'm probably not the core demographic of this channel - I was more drawn to the material on how education is failing boys. I agree with Mr Zitelmann that comparisons to Hitler or Mussolini are less valid than many on the left think they are: both had well established ideologies that were a vision for nations. Despite the demonization of our history by 'deconstructionists', we should be proud of the great things Western civilization has established or cemented: the social contract, equality (think French revolution rather than 'equity'), individual rights/liberty , the rule of law - basically what we think of as freedom. People have died to defend these concepts from tyrants (including against Mr Hitler), and it is important that we continue to fight to uphold these. That means respecting that people can have different opinions, it means treating people equally despite their vast gulf in wealth or experience, it means disagreeing as much as we can but still respecting the consensus reached, it means being persuasive rather than using force, it means accepting election results we don't like. Why? because that is what we would want people to do for us - it is the Golden Rule, the basis for a social contract. There are innumerable things I find frustrating and politics and policies, but when I stop and consider it, I do have to think that the system we have (democracy) is as good as any the world has found. I appreciate it is difficult - I don't think it's our default nature to see the world from perspectives outside our 'village' - but the results of the last 150 years have proven that democracy is worth it, and I think it's worth keeping that in mind when faced with those who do not conform to its values.
Probably. But the feeling you are experiencing is how we in Europe feel when Americans talk about what Europe is like. Both are uninformed but convinced they are right.
@@donkedic1 And we know the answer. Did everyone suddenly forget that he already HAD all that power once? Did anyone get genocided? Were there millions in internment camps? No. Calm down with the ridiculous fear porn, my god. Edit: And in a sense of irony, even if that WERE to happen, the founders actually built in this really nifty thing called a Constitution, and in that Constitution, we have the first ten amendments, the second of which says something something something about firearms, not to hunt, or to look cool, or to go to the range, but to use to overthrow a tyrannical government. Hell, it seems to me that with the way people talk about Trump being a Notsee and "literally Kitler", they would be the biggest proponents of the general populace having the ability to fight an oppressive or "fascist" government, but nope, they want to get rid of them all. Yes, Trump is very very dangerous indeed.
You guys are delusional. He tried to steal an election and he tried to sack anyone who wouldn't go along. How is it you guys are ok with that? And if you really believe the election was stolen, why would you ever vote again? Surely conspiracy that big don't just roll over and give power back? Trump has never seriously tried to show election fraud. Mike Lindell and that other convicted fraudster (200 mules) don't count. Haven't you noticed the story about how the election was stolen has changed half a dozen times? This is how the Republic ends. The constitution and respect for law and the traditions, like peaceful transfer of power, are fundamental.
I've really liked your content and think you're on the mark about most of what you say, but it's a bit ironic you posting this the day after it's widely reported that John Kelly heard Trump praise Hitler on more than one occasion. People keep saying Trump's not a dictator. Yeah, but not from a lack of trying. The only reason he didn't take dictatorial control is that he had the checks and balances of our government holding him back, and he's doing everything he can to get rid of those checks and balances and cowardly politicians are letting him get away with it. I don't know why people bother trying to deny it, it's not like the guy's being subtle about it.
I will admit that this is totally news-hacking to post this clip this week from an interview that we shot a few months back that’s still in the queue to be released. I also find the rhetoric around Trump to be over-the-top in ways that devalue the actual atrocities of Hitler and fascists, much like the overuse of “bigot” and “racist” has neutered those concepts. It’s culture-wrecking hyperbole and an attempt to use cult-style thought terminating cliches.
@@DadSavesAmerica I'm conflicted when it comes to using these over-the-top phrases about Trump because using these phrases for the things that he will do if he finds himself in a situation where he can get away with it are justified, but using them for what he has done so far is hyperbole that the average person can see is not reality. Like you said, that neuters the concepts. So, ironically, by going into hysterics over what Trump actually has done people mute the threat of what he will do if our checks and balances don't hold, which leads to more people dismissing those threats and voting for Trump.
Trump doesn't think that Putin or Kim or Xi or Zelensky or Netanyahu are strong. He's just playing them to keep the peace. That's what I like about Trump. He knows how to play people's egos.He has a super size ego just like them. That's kind of what we need right now.
As someone from Europe: Please don't have non-Americans speaking about Trump, and don't have Americans speak on Europe. In both cases they embarrass themselves. NB: This guest also knows nothing about current Russia.
There are plenty of Europeans Like Katy Hopkins that have a very good understanding of American politics and politicians, this guy just isn’t one of them.
I would too since "my body my choice" dems implemented it and have started or escalated every conflict. The middle and upper class "hippies" didn't even start protesting Vietnam till it was implemented. Maybe the crowd who talks down to everyone that they send off like the hunger games should start with themselves this time.
its in the family. Trump’s grandfather, Friedrich Trump-not his father-was born in Germany. Friedrich emigrated from Germany in 1885 to avoid military service and eventually settled in the United States. .
Is this a full length interview and are you going to put it out in it full length. He is a great historian, and I read his book hilter National socialism and I can’t seem to find interviews or lectures from him
Trying to describe a Fascist or Fascism is like describing the shape of Jell-O, it will take the shape of the context it is contained in, in other words, most of the time, as a pejorative, it means nothing. It is a collectivist/socialist system, succinctly stated by Mussolini as “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
One of the people who compared Trump to Hitler was his own running mate, JD Vance. Let's be clear. Many of those who make the comparison are those who were closest to Trump when he was president. However, I agree with Mr. Zitelman. Trump has no ideology. His only ideology is "me". He is totally self-centered. That is problem enough, but what it has done is transform the Republican Party into a party of those who would emulate the fascists. The old "moderate" Republicans are gone, many campaigning for Harris. The sole qualification now to be a Republican in good standing is to continue the lie that Trump won the 2020 election. That's why Vance cannot answer the simple question "Did Trump lose the election in 2020?" To do so would disqualify him as running mate. As far as those "good things" Trump did, I'll just point out that Trump increased USA indebtedness by USD $8 trillion in 4 years. That's what happens when you lower taxes for the wealthy. Which was the only example of "good things Trump did" offered by Zitelmann. Pardon me, he did say something about "lowering regulations". No examples of that given, but he did say it, at least. As far as fascism, there is a pamphlet written by Leon Trotsky back in the 1930's when Hitler was rose to power. Called "Fascism: What it is and how to fight it.", it explains the origins of fascism, and the core of it's support among the middle class. And whatever Zitelmann says, Hitler and Mussolini were allies. They were on the same page politically. Yes there were differences, but the central program of each was the same. They had no problem supporting each other in their agenda.
Fascism sits to the right of only one thing, communism. Both are forms of socialism, Zitelmann is correct about the differences, being that communism owns the means of production, while fascism does not own the means of production. In fascism fealty to the national moral identity of the ruling party is what is required to be given the privilege of owning a business, think Oscar Schindler and how he acquired his business. There is a lot of variation in fascism, often called applied socialism, and yes Fascist Italy and NAZI Germany are very different but both fit under fascism. The right left aspect of calling the right fascist is that Germany was and continues to be socialist before and after WWII. So the German accusation of the right being fascist is being lobbed from thin area of socialism between fascism and communism that they believe themselves as occupying. It is not a stable form of government that is devolving after only a few decades. This is also the area where the far left progressives in the United States see themselves as occupying as well. This thin area between fascism and communism is the 'correct' form of socialism that has yet to be realized and implemented. This is what the progressive new world order is pushing, a utopian vision of the future platonic ideal based on conjecture and couched in moral terms. Fascism is reactionary to communism, fascism is not totalizing to social hierarchy, and doesn't push the desire for self interest into black markets. Fascism allows for competition amongst the adherents to the party over the power and wealth the government has to offer those who further its party line.
This German guy apparently isn't very savvy with how negotiating often works. Sometimes things are "said" to elicit a desired response from a particular party. Other people also hearing this info aren't significant for the outcome desired.
This man is Krazy as hell you can’t tell what the hell he’s saying everything he spoke about if l can understand this right about D Trump is ludicrous!!!
The headline doesn’t match the video Fascism was Italian, not Nazi. Any comparison of Trump and fascism should be regarding Mussolini and not Hitler John Kelly said Trump expressed positive views about Hitler (on some level, perhaps not his general opinion of the man) and so we are grappling with that revelation. The statement that “Trump is the next Hitler” is obviously a meme on the internet but misses the mark in the discussion on the mainstream news outlets now.
I would say that the discussion in the corporate press is so low-resolution and silly that it defies any claim to being credible. Fascism has never been an especially coherent ideology. Mussolini’s articulation would mean that the US with its heavily mixed economy and state intervention is already completely “fascist”. There’s truth in that. But the media narrative around Trump isn’t about that. It’s just internet troll level Hitler talk. Nothing more. It’s knowledge destroying on top of devaluing our cultural understanding of the atrocities of Hitler. But then, this is what happens to nation whose education actively avoids teaching history properly.
@@DadSavesAmerica Thank you for your response. With your economic background, I understand why discussions of fascism, which overlook corporatism and mixed economies, may seem superficial. Yet, examining how leaders justify and maintain power is crucial when discussing Trump and his connection with historical authoritarians. Kelly defines fascism as a "far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, and belief in a natural social hierarchy," suggesting Trump fits this framework. The discussion includes whether Kelly’s definition aptly describes figures like Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Peron, and contemporary leaders like Putin, Orban, and Trump. Fascism, of course, had a definition before any war had been started or international atrocity committed. And even the term fascism tries to find coherency to varied views and goals of dictators who navigated different historical moments. So any discussion should seek the differences as well which I agree can be missing from mainstream discussion. It’s Trump friendly commentators like Ben Shapiro, Bill Ackman, and Piers Morgan who have dismissed Kelly’s interview by saying comparisons of Trump to Hitler are absurd with a focus on antisemitism and foreign conquest. But that collapses fascism writ large into Nazism which is false. Kelly brings up Hitler because Trump made statements about Hitler. The defenses don’t grapple with what Trump meant when saying positive things about Hitler to Kelly. Aren’t you interested in learning more about Trump’s view of Hitler in light of these comments? Does embracing Trump’s view that Hitler has positive things to teach us diminish Hitler’s atrocities? If there is a discussion about Trump and Hitler it should be that.
The boomer truth regime has been milking this mythology for 80 years to justify every aggressive action. The zoomies are great grandchildren, so this history might as well be the Spanish war. They are trying to squeeze every last drop out of it as it runs out of usefulness before they start the next one.
Depends on who the enemy within ends up being. Say he wins, some good ol' Antifa protests are definitely breaking out and destroying businesses, burning cars, etc. Does that answer the question? Anyway the DoD updating their parameters, muddying the waters on when they can use the military was already done. Under the current administration.
How many people has he killed like Hitler? Did he start wars like Hitler? Why is he MORE EVIL? Give examples or you’re just repeating what the media tells you.
@@Denny-ThrayHitler didn't appear evil at the time, best I can tell. It was all done behind a facade, out of public view until it was exposed? Of course I wasn't there, thus I didn't experience it. It baffles me how anyone can consider Trump to be evil, I see no evidence of this.
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Has Trump ever raised his clenched fists over a presidential podium on a militant blood red stage, loudly vowing to eliminate what we have been told is the greatest threat this nation faces, which is people who want to make America great again?
that was a gloriously funny scene
Biden did
Democrats have effectively put in practice many of the tactics that were effectively used by the Ingsoc higher party.
they act like goebbels while calling trump hitler.
Yep. Donald Trump being Emmanuel Goldstein. Instead of 2 minutes of hate, they have 24/7 hate.
I think when Trump says certain leaders are strong it means he thinks they’re someone not to be trifled with. It doesn’t necessarily mean he admires them…
Yes, it seems more like Trump respects tyrants and dictators, not out of worship and admiration, but because it's smart when dealing with leaders ruling out of brute strength and force. It's how to do global politics. Americans can be quite naive and too literalist. Gotta read between the lines and appreciate complexity of foreign relations.
@@machtnichtsseimann yeah they’re totally literal whenever Trump opens his mouth, meanwhile Kamala talks out of her ass and they let it slide.
@@Monetize_ThisEw 🤮
But i agree.
Absolutely. People think Trump is addressing the public when he speaks about world leaders.
He’s not.
He’s speaking to THEM. He’s playing a game with them.
When he says they’re strong, he wants them to think he thinks they’re strong.
It’s all subliminal messaging.
I personally don't like Trump's personality. But his policies are right on the mark when it comes to the United States and what it needs to get out of the depths of woke socialism.
But when it comes to corporate socialism, you’re clamoring. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Log off, renew your library card.
@@Graeberwave It's a darn shame Dad picked the John Stoessel du jour (not certain the actual year) to read on his commute (Dad hates public transportation) from Hoboken to his soul-killing marketing job at Viacom in Times Square instead of something by David Graeber. Oh well.
What you should see is that he is fighting the massively corrupt Washington DC country club. You know, the 14,000 lobbyist on K street that are multi millionaires themselves paid by the richest corporations and men on earth. These are very smart people and they actually write the laws and force them into congress. They have 100 different ways to money launder the massive US tax base into personal wealth for those who participate in the pillaging and support the system.
We don't even have any semblance of socialism, we have neoliberalism, the ultra private sector free market ideology of providing the lowest possible quality at the highest possible price.
Nice event at MSG over the weekend. Directly modeled on the Nazi rally held in the old MSG Feb. 20, 1939. Real americans™️.
i think trump calls putin and the north korean leader strong is like "keeping your friends close but your enemies closer" .
i dont think he really means it, hes just 'poofing' them up to keep their tempers down. seems easy wau to do it
I agree, you catch more flys with honey than vinegar.
On the plus side, I've really spent a lot of time studying fascism, socialism and communism. I would recommend reading the 25 points of national socialism, _The Doctrine of Fascism,_ and _Science, Politics and Gnosticism._ Seriously these are not long texts. S,P&G is the longest at about 95 pages, the DoF is all of 20 pages
Name-calling is all they got.
One problem this German guy doesn't know anything about Donald Trump He's wrong on quite a few counts.
But Dad, nothing else is working for them, so they're falling back to old faithful.
Be wary of over simplifications. That is a very American approach to explaining everything everywhere. Sadly most are willing to embrace complex arguments reduced to simple stereotypes.
Trump would never wear Hugo Boss, so....
would not fit in it 🤣
remember when invoking godwin's law meant you lost the argument?
Oh i thought this is where we go for intelligent conversations. Putin is not weak, he might not be a great guy, but weak? Ridiculous.
Trump is only concerned with being famous? This is a boneheaded take on reality.
As a quick observation, the guest does not seem to know much about the extent of Russian products or its importance to the world market.
This guy is OFF the mark.
Agree 💯
Liberals.calling trump hitler.is insane. Calling him an egomaniac is acurate tho. 😅
I am a Trump supporter, and I don’t think he’s flawless, and I haven’t met another Trump supporter who thinks he’s flawless. Every single Trump supporter I’ve spoken to has some thing about him that they really don’t like and wish he would change. They just think that overall he’s the best president we’ve ever had and we want him back.
How old are you and these fellow supporters who think he's the best president we've ever had?
@@tammy5419 Old enough to remember the oil embargo and the inflation under Jimmy Carter that Biden/Harris are outstripping at an alarming rate.
I get I'm probably not the core demographic of this channel - I was more drawn to the material on how education is failing boys. I agree with Mr Zitelmann that comparisons to Hitler or Mussolini are less valid than many on the left think they are: both had well established ideologies that were a vision for nations.
Despite the demonization of our history by 'deconstructionists', we should be proud of the great things Western civilization has established or cemented: the social contract, equality (think French revolution rather than 'equity'), individual rights/liberty , the rule of law - basically what we think of as freedom. People have died to defend these concepts from tyrants (including against Mr Hitler), and it is important that we continue to fight to uphold these. That means respecting that people can have different opinions, it means treating people equally despite their vast gulf in wealth or experience, it means disagreeing as much as we can but still respecting the consensus reached, it means being persuasive rather than using force, it means accepting election results we don't like. Why? because that is what we would want people to do for us - it is the Golden Rule, the basis for a social contract.
There are innumerable things I find frustrating and politics and policies, but when I stop and consider it, I do have to think that the system we have (democracy) is as good as any the world has found. I appreciate it is difficult - I don't think it's our default nature to see the world from perspectives outside our 'village' - but the results of the last 150 years have proven that democracy is worth it, and I think it's worth keeping that in mind when faced with those who do not conform to its values.
Sounds to me like we have a lot in common!
This man doesn't know Trump's stances. Disappointed in your guest.
The guest didnt choose the questions.
Disappointed in what? Lmao
This guy is the typical European who doesn’t know or understand DonaldTrump.
Yeah, his me-me-me take on Trump as if that's all he cares about is pretty weak.
Typical German for sure. I always thought Trump wanted to build a bridge with Putin and Kim. I thought he was very brave to go to North Korea.
As if you know and understand Trump?
Probably. But the feeling you are experiencing is how we in Europe feel when Americans talk about what Europe is like. Both are uninformed but convinced they are right.
Wow, that was unusually fair
Looking forward to the complete conversation with Rainer Zitelmann.
"Fascist" for the right. "Commies" for the left. Slurs all around.
The contrast between fascism and communism is more coincidental when you check off similarities between hitler to stalin.
The question is: how would trump take action if he was given the same amount, or even more, power?
Is that worth the gamble?
@@donkedic1 And we know the answer. Did everyone suddenly forget that he already HAD all that power once? Did anyone get genocided? Were there millions in internment camps? No. Calm down with the ridiculous fear porn, my god. Edit: And in a sense of irony, even if that WERE to happen, the founders actually built in this really nifty thing called a Constitution, and in that Constitution, we have the first ten amendments, the second of which says something something something about firearms, not to hunt, or to look cool, or to go to the range, but to use to overthrow a tyrannical government. Hell, it seems to me that with the way people talk about Trump being a Notsee and "literally Kitler", they would be the biggest proponents of the general populace having the ability to fight an oppressive or "fascist" government, but nope, they want to get rid of them all. Yes, Trump is very very dangerous indeed.
@@donkedic1Can we consider at least in part, Trump's 1st term? As I recall, Trump did well and was moving us in the right direction.
@@donkedic1 What did he do with the national emergency war powers for cv? He was hammered in the press for not taking.
You guys are delusional.
He tried to steal an election and he tried to sack anyone who wouldn't go along.
How is it you guys are ok with that?
And if you really believe the election was stolen, why would you ever vote again? Surely conspiracy that big don't just roll over and give power back?
Trump has never seriously tried to show election fraud. Mike Lindell and that other convicted fraudster (200 mules) don't count.
Haven't you noticed the story about how the election was stolen has changed half a dozen times?
This is how the Republic ends. The constitution and respect for law and the traditions, like peaceful transfer of power, are fundamental.
I can’t help but hear a bit of Christopher “Valken” in this man’s speech.
This is a fascinating point of view.
I've really liked your content and think you're on the mark about most of what you say, but it's a bit ironic you posting this the day after it's widely reported that John Kelly heard Trump praise Hitler on more than one occasion. People keep saying Trump's not a dictator. Yeah, but not from a lack of trying. The only reason he didn't take dictatorial control is that he had the checks and balances of our government holding him back, and he's doing everything he can to get rid of those checks and balances and cowardly politicians are letting him get away with it. I don't know why people bother trying to deny it, it's not like the guy's being subtle about it.
I will admit that this is totally news-hacking to post this clip this week from an interview that we shot a few months back that’s still in the queue to be released. I also find the rhetoric around Trump to be over-the-top in ways that devalue the actual atrocities of Hitler and fascists, much like the overuse of “bigot” and “racist” has neutered those concepts. It’s culture-wrecking hyperbole and an attempt to use cult-style thought terminating cliches.
@@DadSavesAmerica I'm conflicted when it comes to using these over-the-top phrases about Trump because using these phrases for the things that he will do if he finds himself in a situation where he can get away with it are justified, but using them for what he has done so far is hyperbole that the average person can see is not reality. Like you said, that neuters the concepts. So, ironically, by going into hysterics over what Trump actually has done people mute the threat of what he will do if our checks and balances don't hold, which leads to more people dismissing those threats and voting for Trump.
Trump doesn't think that Putin or Kim or Xi or Zelensky or Netanyahu are strong. He's just playing them to keep the peace. That's what I like about Trump. He knows how to play people's egos.He has a super size ego just like them. That's kind of what we need right now.
As someone from Europe: Please don't have non-Americans speaking about Trump, and don't have Americans speak on Europe. In both cases they embarrass themselves.
NB: This guest also knows nothing about current Russia.
There are plenty of Europeans Like Katy Hopkins that have a very good understanding of American politics and politicians, this guy just isn’t one of them.
@@AjninHaru Agreed on Katy Hopkins, good call. She spends a lot of time in the US, giving her more than book smarts.
Hitler didn't dodge the draft like President Ex Bonespur 🐔
You do understand the Asthma Joe and Oxford Bill dodge the draft as well and you seem to have no problem with that?
I would too since "my body my choice" dems implemented it and have started or escalated every conflict. The middle and upper class "hippies" didn't even start protesting Vietnam till it was implemented. Maybe the crowd who talks down to everyone that they send off like the hunger games should start with themselves this time.
its in the family. Trump’s grandfather, Friedrich Trump-not his father-was born in Germany. Friedrich emigrated from Germany in 1885 to avoid military service and eventually settled in the United States.
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@@ideasOfaDiyer And why is that relevant?!
ARE WE TALKINGJOE BIDEN BECAUSE HE TOOK 5 DEFERMENTS
Is this a full length interview and are you going to put it out in it full length.
He is a great historian, and I read his book hilter National socialism and I can’t seem to find interviews or lectures from him
System is changing. With increasing tariffs the world economy is fracturing into different camps.
Great timing on this movie! Of course, timing a conversation to come out at the same time someone compares Trump to Hitler is pretty easy! 😅😂
Ain’t that the truth.
Trying to describe a Fascist or Fascism is like describing the shape of Jell-O, it will take the shape of the context it is contained in, in other words, most of the time, as a pejorative, it means nothing. It is a collectivist/socialist system, succinctly stated by Mussolini as “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Can anyone formulate a substantial critique of what Zitelmann says here?
One of the people who compared Trump to Hitler was his own running mate, JD Vance. Let's be clear. Many of those who make the comparison are those who were closest to Trump when he was president.
However, I agree with Mr. Zitelman. Trump has no ideology. His only ideology is "me". He is totally self-centered. That is problem enough, but what it has done is transform the Republican Party into a party of those who would emulate the fascists. The old "moderate" Republicans are gone, many campaigning for Harris. The sole qualification now to be a Republican in good standing is to continue the lie that Trump won the 2020 election. That's why Vance cannot answer the simple question "Did Trump lose the election in 2020?" To do so would disqualify him as running mate.
As far as those "good things" Trump did, I'll just point out that Trump increased USA indebtedness by USD $8 trillion in 4 years. That's what happens when you lower taxes for the wealthy. Which was the only example of "good things Trump did" offered by Zitelmann. Pardon me, he did say something about "lowering regulations". No examples of that given, but he did say it, at least.
As far as fascism, there is a pamphlet written by Leon Trotsky back in the 1930's when Hitler was rose to power. Called "Fascism: What it is and how to fight it.", it explains the origins of fascism, and the core of it's support among the middle class. And whatever Zitelmann says, Hitler and Mussolini were allies. They were on the same page politically. Yes there were differences, but the central program of each was the same. They had no problem supporting each other in their agenda.
Fascism sits to the right of only one thing, communism. Both are forms of socialism, Zitelmann is correct about the differences, being that communism owns the means of production, while fascism does not own the means of production. In fascism fealty to the national moral identity of the ruling party is what is required to be given the privilege of owning a business, think Oscar Schindler and how he acquired his business. There is a lot of variation in fascism, often called applied socialism, and yes Fascist Italy and NAZI Germany are very different but both fit under fascism. The right left aspect of calling the right fascist is that Germany was and continues to be socialist before and after WWII. So the German accusation of the right being fascist is being lobbed from thin area of socialism between fascism and communism that they believe themselves as occupying. It is not a stable form of government that is devolving after only a few decades. This is also the area where the far left progressives in the United States see themselves as occupying as well. This thin area between fascism and communism is the 'correct' form of socialism that has yet to be realized and implemented. This is what the progressive new world order is pushing, a utopian vision of the future platonic ideal based on conjecture and couched in moral terms. Fascism is reactionary to communism, fascism is not totalizing to social hierarchy, and doesn't push the desire for self interest into black markets. Fascism allows for competition amongst the adherents to the party over the power and wealth the government has to offer those who further its party line.
Call me crazy but this doesn't remotely resemble Hitler as I imagine in my mind:
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That's a great find. Thanks! I had a good laugh.
This German guy apparently isn't very savvy with how negotiating often works. Sometimes things are "said" to elicit a desired response from a particular party. Other people also hearing this info aren't significant for the outcome desired.
This man is Krazy as hell you can’t tell what the hell he’s saying everything he spoke about if l can understand this right about D Trump is ludicrous!!!
The headline doesn’t match the video
Fascism was Italian, not Nazi. Any comparison of Trump and fascism should be regarding Mussolini and not Hitler
John Kelly said Trump expressed positive views about Hitler (on some level, perhaps not his general opinion of the man) and so we are grappling with that revelation.
The statement that “Trump is the next Hitler” is obviously a meme on the internet but misses the mark in the discussion on the mainstream news outlets now.
I would say that the discussion in the corporate press is so low-resolution and silly that it defies any claim to being credible.
Fascism has never been an especially coherent ideology. Mussolini’s articulation would mean that the US with its heavily mixed economy and state intervention is already completely “fascist”. There’s truth in that.
But the media narrative around Trump isn’t about that. It’s just internet troll level Hitler talk. Nothing more. It’s knowledge destroying on top of devaluing our cultural understanding of the atrocities of Hitler.
But then, this is what happens to nation whose education actively avoids teaching history properly.
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Thank you for your response.
With your economic background, I understand why discussions of fascism, which overlook corporatism and mixed economies, may seem superficial. Yet, examining how leaders justify and maintain power is crucial when discussing Trump and his connection with historical authoritarians. Kelly defines fascism as a "far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, and belief in a natural social hierarchy," suggesting Trump fits this framework. The discussion includes whether Kelly’s definition aptly describes figures like Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Peron, and contemporary leaders like Putin, Orban, and Trump. Fascism, of course, had a definition before any war had been started or international atrocity committed. And even the term fascism tries to find coherency to varied views and goals of dictators who navigated different historical moments. So any discussion should seek the differences as well which I agree can be missing from mainstream discussion.
It’s Trump friendly commentators like Ben Shapiro, Bill Ackman, and Piers Morgan who have dismissed Kelly’s interview by saying comparisons of Trump to Hitler are absurd with a focus on antisemitism and foreign conquest. But that collapses fascism writ large into Nazism which is false.
Kelly brings up Hitler because Trump made statements about Hitler. The defenses don’t grapple with what Trump meant when saying positive things about Hitler to Kelly. Aren’t you interested in learning more about Trump’s view of Hitler in light of these comments? Does embracing Trump’s view that Hitler has positive things to teach us diminish Hitler’s atrocities?
If there is a discussion about Trump and Hitler it should be that.
This dude is clueless. There are zero similarities.
Russia can’t even get their vodka in Trader Joe’s.
The boomer truth regime has been milking this mythology for 80 years to justify every aggressive action. The zoomies are great grandchildren, so this history might as well be the Spanish war. They are trying to squeeze every last drop out of it as it runs out of usefulness before they start the next one.
Dangerously, foolishly naive
Start comparing Kamala to Polpot?
He Trump mental stop call Hitler just he Trump stupid talking about omg my god ???
Not a very useful interview. This man goes into a monologue that is way off the mark.
TDS only with an accent.
this is useless.
Doesn't he talk about using the military to rid America of "the enemy within"? That's like textbook Hitler rhetoric.
no he's talking about getting rid of the traitors in the government aka the Deep State. no military involved.
Depends on who the enemy within ends up being. Say he wins, some good ol' Antifa protests are definitely breaking out and destroying businesses, burning cars, etc.
Does that answer the question? Anyway the DoD updating their parameters, muddying the waters on when they can use the military was already done. Under the current administration.
DNC does the same thing, so
@@goosey235 Doesn't it bother you that both major parties are using Hitler rhetoric? I suppose you're not voting then?
@@keyes858 No, he has never said anything like that.
He is way more evil than Hitler.
How many people has he killed like Hitler? Did he start wars like Hitler? Why is he MORE EVIL? Give examples or you’re just repeating what the media tells you.
So he tried to commit genocide? Put millions of people in interment camps and tortured them to death? Seriously dude.
Lol, whatever. Talk about not knowing a single iota about history.
@@Denny-ThrayHitler didn't appear evil at the time, best I can tell. It was all done behind a facade, out of public view until it was exposed? Of course I wasn't there, thus I didn't experience it. It baffles me how anyone can consider Trump to be evil, I see no evidence of this.
Sarcasm.