MORDHAU - Are Dwarfs and Tanks viable?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
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► A deeper look at the perks Dwarf and Tank and the question if they have any use beside roleplay.
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"the best role to play is a dwarf archer" the average dwarf: naked and using a quarterstaff, has most kills in lobby*
@alpatr0s Yeah just like everyone already knows how to counter average height people, right?
dwarf + archer build is actually pretty galaxy brained
@@TheLunarMan dwarf+crossbow+pavise is a god tier anti archer build
I have a dwarf crossbowman no pavise with warhammer it's not bad
Dwarf tank build is fun
"Dwarfs can get kill in two shots with almost every weapon"
Me, who always ends up getting ganked by maul users: "I see no difference"
Real shit lol
"Did this Wazzock just say us Dawi aren't viable?"
*Grumbles and writes in the Book of Grudges*
Some one make sure Bardin doesn't hear about this.
OI Wazzock. I fought against you last night. You bashed my skull in more times than i can count....probably because of all the concussions
Lol good one
Lmfao.
These stairs go up
I find it weird that Tank is slower than Dwarf, especially since Tank gives you longer legs, realistically that only makes you move faster, since your feet are covering more distance
Game balance
@@frenchy5653 tell it to dwarfs. Right into their suffering one-shotted faces
@@thecrimsonviscount5689 I hate the dwarves , fuck these assholes who think they are the peak comedy flooding pubs with this shit perk.
@@frenchy5653 I rather fight 5 dwarfs who can take a joke than ppl like you. And if I do, Ill prolly just erase u and shed no second thought because u dont even emote or make funny builds, so I wont remember you.
@@horsthooden4600 and I have better things to do than to start a chat with someone that is angry at a UA-cam comment I left 2 months ago. I like jokes, not shit memes.
Visual comparisons are amazing. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Here's a tip for tank users:
Foot dragging is still viable because it requires minimal mouse movement so the reduced turn cap wont make a difference.
What is foot dragging?
@@ashfield4313 here is an example: right overhead attack and purposefully miss their head and torso (on the right side) and try to hit them in the ankles, the closer the weapon is to their body the more likely it will cause them to parry.
You can drag the attack to make it even longer, but it would best be used to point the camera up when its gets close to their body to maximize the time for them to panic parry.
You can also do a normal overhead attack and sidestep to make it look more convincing. you can make it appear like your aiming for the head, than you side step and go for the feet.
Just beaware that a more formidable opponent may just move out of the way and/or jump over the attack.
ok fighting the dwarf as the warden is a literal nightmare trying to swing down at the little fuckers lol
I had to fist fight a dwarf as tank once, kicked his ass apart from the fight took like a minute because he wasnt hitting me and I couldnt hit him because man was TINY I'm a giant how do I punch little men when I take 5 tries to disarm a beartrap lmao
When you thought the foppish voice couldnt get any more annoying.
Dwarves come out.
Why do people hate dwarfs in mordhau? Dwarfs are cool and twice as manly as humans. At least middle earth dwarfs that is.
A M K Gaming the dwarfs here are more like halflings.
@@A-Gaymer because people are tryharding trashbags that doesn't know what fun is.
thats exactly what i use it for xD
Annoying? Its fucking hilarious
When they come out with perks like these I don't think people should take them super seriously, it's mainly for the sake of fun to switch things up. Like the peasant perk.
Ye I always thought the peasant perk was kind of left in the dark when compared to the other perks, it is nice to have access to more "Fucket, I'm bored" playstyles
yeah but what is the point of a perk if it has more negatives the pozitives...
@@Dualities it's a meme perk along with peasant perk. They are not designed for competitive play or to be balanced, it's just for fun :)
"Why is the dwarf slower?"
"Cause he is shorter."
"Why is the tank slower?"
"Cause he is taller."
😂
I can already imagine peasant dwarf gangs taking over.
Literally mate but i can't wait
theres a squad that ive seen on the oceanic servers that infects a game to make a naked dwarf rock throwing nightmare and they all use high pitch foppish of course
it is true pain to fight a dozen rock throwing boiz
@@connorparfrey9191 There we go
To me it feels like Dwarf should be the first "anti-perk", instead of taking away 3 points it would give you 3 more, so there's incentive past RP reasons to use it.
I think devs didn't want to make dwarfs viable for art direction and style reasons. Gotta keep them rare.
No.
The less Dwarves the better.
Well the peasant perk is literally the most expensive and gives you just disadvantages
@@viktorvlasov483 this. Really dont want half the battlefield to be dwarves.
@@kukifitte7357 chaos
And here I am playing a dwarf-tank
Which is hilariously bad. You can tank 1 extra shot in full tier 3 armor. You move like a glacier, but you do get a slight damage boost from the tank perk off-setting the dwarf so you can 2 shot through medium armor with a war axe.
Ffs I completely for got about the turn cap thing for tank so for the past few days I was like “oh wow I really got shitty at drags” god damn it
I have recently begun using the tank perk, and I have found it very useful. I am a mediocre player, and the little bit of extra staying power is very useful. Also, in public games for a less than amazing player, the downsides are not too bad. The low speed helps prevent me from overextending, and has helped me develop habits of sticking with team mates. I don't notice the turncap all that much, as I'm not amazing at drags and accelerations anyway. And I havent really had too many times were someone running away in light armor was a problem, as in pubs they usually re engage you, or you shouldn't chase them anyway because you would get isolated. Also tenacious helps with the health regen for less cost than blood lust. Again if you stick with team mates you can take a few hits, pull back, heal, and then get back into the fight. It may not be the best for pros or those who only like the most optimal load out, but for average schmucks like me it can be very useful.
Nice work ! You're one of the few channels that cover Mordhau with fidelity and regularity.
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I tried veteran without realising it was a tank and basically made a custom character that is a different looking veteran, then realised they were both tank. I keep coming back to tank because it makes you feel POWERFUL even if I'm really bad at mordhau
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Found a dude with peasant perk who had 2 rakes and a shovel, went around to two people, gave them each a rake me included and then the three of us charged off to 1v3 people with gardening equipment it was amazing
What I kind of wished from the Dwarf perk, is that if the Dwarf is wearing full T3, the damage reduction is reduced dramatically. If you wear a 3-3-2 setup, you still get the full 50% damage reduction etc. One dwarf weakness, is literally you cannot catch up to people running away from a swing-
I really love running tank with the zweihander because in large fights you can just swing over your team mates heads and still hit the enemy
Something that you missed with the tank perk is the chase mechanic speed. Im pretty sure its a glitch but at the moment the when you have tank equipped the chase mechanic makes you faster than literally anything else in the game. You catch up almost instantly so it makes it very surprising for players that think they can do the cheese tactic turning and running from all attacks.
Nice breakdowns of the perks, best I’ve seen yet. Love the 3rd person weapon distance views, been looking for something like that
You would be surprised what a no armor dwarf and a maul can do
Thanks for the videos, so educational and with so much effort, pls never stop!
And yet bloodlust is still in game and broken as ever.
Dwarves should be faster no? As gimli said “we dwarves are natural sprinters. very dangerous over short distances”
what about tank dwarf ?
You didn't talk about dwarf tank combo classes. Best class to duel with tbh
Maybe against a bad player but anyone who is even remotely competent can just stay out of your attack range because of how slow you are from combining the two.
ive been using the dwarf on a build with 3x throwing axe, mule and supply perks. it lets me pick up a weapon, spam throwing axes and refill quickly, and duck LMB while throwing axes point blank.
it plays like a shotgun, anyone within 20ft you can dump massive DPS on them, and if you miss your first two axes you can reliably duck their first attack on you.
I've had a surprising amount of success with Tank in duels as of late. It's probably because people dont expect you to take an extra hit or two, but I've managed to have surprising success with axe + round shield on Tank. The amazing speed of the axe, great defense of the shield and the natural damage reduction of the Tank (and it's slight range increase) has made the one handed axe one of my favorite weapons.
Just for the editing and clear points alone you should have more subs man, thanks for the effort
IMO I think they should just make dwarf cost 6 points like tank and take normal damage. I mean your head gets hit so often, being short is not really an advantage. Also dwarf archer is even more of a death sentence. The extra damage from dwarf AND the huntsman perk is instant death lol
Pretty sure longbow one-shots t3 body armor on archers already though
@@vengefulraven4322 I looked it up and you're right it does 102 damage. I didn't think it did that much. So yeah just extra dead with dwarf lol
Archers are obnoxious against dwarves
Vengeful Raven it does
Great as always
Thanks!
I thought he meant dwarves being used to crew armored vehicles because then that would be probably the best use of dwarves is modern conflicts
I currently alternate from dwarf to tank every other round in pvp as I enjoy how much it contrasts the height difference. As a dwarf I run firebomb with fire resistance perk and pick up a weapon like my tank does as I noticed fire protects dwarfs more then any armor can. @KingLouie111 Could you perchance do some dodge testing with tank/dwarf perks for us? I find shrug does incredibly well as dwarf and as tank my only viable dodge is to backpeddle 360. If you would like some help I'd be happy to oblige.
I tried dwarf/dodge and don't like it. If the opponent facehugs, you can't dodge far enough and if you manage to dodge you have troubles closing the gap again because you are slow. I'm not an expert dodge player though by any means.
I like dwarf when I want to be sneaky, sneaking into enemy bases, sneaking up on people, basically feel like chucky when I use dwarf. I like tank because it's cool to make a big ogre type of guy, had times when i was a tank with level 2 armor and I was walking around with 3 or 4 arrows I got shot by lol. Then if I need speed to play seriously and get to cap points I play normal
The best strat is to get both giant and dwarf, you’ll just be a tall dwarf
You can make a dwarf tank for no apparent reason exept being slightly smaller.
They should add a 5m or 4m pike with low damage and no ability to cut or block and make it to block in alternative grip, and it's good side to be an ability to push back whoever it hits even if it got blocked, so ppl with good organisation can make a pike wall and be effective at a good range.
Maybe should add it as a weapon you can only find on the map, like lance
How do you think the future of mordhau perks will be? Are they going to go full fantasy mode and add different perks with more weird features? Maybe a Elf perk that lets you change your skin color and makes you extremely thin and tall.
I actually thought about that exact question a few days ago. In my opinion they should stay somewhat true to the medieval theme and let the community go ham with fantasy mods once the official SDK is out.
Perk : Female and the only weapon available is a frying pan ^^
@@DivingHawker and a carving knife
@@DivingHawker bruh lmao
DivingHawker I’d be down for a female perk but make it only cosmetic. So no actual changes to the stats.
a tank with maul is a headshot machine
Simple answer is yes, i run war axe throwing dwarf. And its fucming great aswell as using tank along with nrawler
i used the tank perk to make robocop.
i use full armor, the huntsman perk, and a recurve bow. any melee weapons i have to scavenge
I've won 2 duel server matches with at least a 2/1 k:d as the dwarf. It was incredible.
Missing opportunity to have tanks named as Goliath or Giant
I’m waiting for the Dwarf viking gangs. All who oppose them will go in the Book of Grudges!
"both are heavily used right now"
No
Nobody is using dwarf except people who enjoy suffering
The movement speed nerf was enough
Taking extra damage is just not fair
Exactly
I agree
You have a unique Arnold Schwarzenegger accent and I love it
Could you do a full comparison on movement speed between tank vs normal with every armor set? I was wondering if a 321 tank has a similar movement speed as a normal 333 - 332, difference on htk with zweihander is 1htk more to kill the tank with that armor (3htk on head and torso vs 2htk on head and torso).
Tanks always move at the same speed no matter what armor they have equipped.
@@KingLouie111 oh wow what an idiot hahaha i didn't understand it, thank you so much!
I take a estoc as my secondary for the dwarf. Sure the cons hurt, but if you can one shot the guy before he hits you. It’s like nothing even happens
Tank shines on horse back.
What use to one hit you will no longer one hit on horse back so you can do heavy builds on horse back and it's pretty much the same feeling of being in full heavy armor in Rust on an Armoured horse.
What about the tanky dwarf?
No
Running at the crouching speed of a t3 zwei user is hilarious af, but you still are super fragile :p
What about the super meta build of running a dwarf tank. :)
You forgot to mention that as a dwarf you do not need leg Armor cause it is very unlikely to get hit in the legs so that are some extra Points to spend
Gotta love how they made a literally TANK character almost bad.
i’d also reccomend using tank with a cavalry build, basically makes it impossible to be killed by infantry
Also being a dwarf puts you in a better height for bodyshots with the longbow imo. you can also hide in bushes without anybody seeing you
if youre running tanks in duel servers always remember to immediately press x+4 when a maulman tries to cr0nch™ you from behind
Tanks should be able to throw dwarves
Still useful 2 years later.
Both tank and dwarf are great for team modes, as they are great for supporting regular sized teammates. Also on horse they are both different. I'd rather use a bandage and a heavy weapon as a tank by the way, its just way smarter if you ask me especially on the big team modes.
Dwarf with a smoke pod and no one will see you while you chop their ankles off
"dwarf perk is bad"
that isnt gunna fucking stop me from making Ironbreakers and Rangers!
FOR THE DAWI!
While I haven’t been running tank much myself, it seems decent to run no armor with a strong weapon and bloodlust. Tank prevents you from being one shot by standard melee or ranged attacks (horse can change this) so you can run that instead of light armor. I like my drags too much tho :P
I wonder if Mordhau devs will ever take a more fantasy route and make beastmen, elves and hybrids
I feel like they need to scale armor better, Tier 3 armor should be able to just get blitzed passed with a sword (No matter how big). And increase the price of it such that it makes the weapons you can carry more restrictive. Right now when I see full armor it's not that big a threat, but in reality it should be more like they are an insane tank. Also the TANK powerup should be buffed imo, when it's being used I feel almost like a sitting duck.
I have a dwarf loadout called CHICKEN and I think you can guess what it looks like
anyways I run it with the new curved blade, jav, firebomb and I actually do a lot of harm during invasion maps with it lol
I can imagine.
They should divide armor points & trait points into two seperate numbers so that you can equip your character differently.
No
dwarf kill cavalry cus harder to hit. especially with dodge, butcher and spear
I would definitely always use the tank perk if they buff or remove the turn caps.
I love the tank perk, I'm not much of a foot dancer so speed dosen't matter to much to me, bu you can sometimes sneak out a win because you take longer to go down, and being slow means you're commited to the fight retreat is not an option lol.
If a darf sits at a ballista, hes nearly safe by every projectile. ;)
Me playing as a dwarf tank to be as small and jacked as possible.
Never understood why people care about their KD in this game...
The phrase "It's just a game" is such a weak mindset.
@@WilhelmTheTiredOne420 found the beta
I made a dwarf who built ballistas, and his name was Dill
I would like to see more fantasy accurate dwarves. (Warhammer, Lotr, witcher etc.)
- Wider and more muscular
- 30% slower than normal humans with tier 3 armor, but no speed reduction for armor tiers. (So they are always slower than any human wearing any armor tier, but armor worn does not affect their own speed.
- more restricted turncaps
- damage recieved decreases when more armor is equiped while increasing it when less armor is equiped. (Amor is more effectieve)
- damage dealt decreases when more armor is equiped while increasing it when less armor is equiped. (Do more damage when not wearing armor) ((not sure about this one))
- The Smith perk is free when the dwarf perk is active.
-Dwarf perk and tank perk are no longer possible to combine.
- Dwarf perk cannot be combined with bloodlust. (Because of the armor buff)
- Dwarf perk cannot be combined with dodge.
Gimli: I'm wasted on cross-country. We Dwarves are natural sprinters. Very dangerous over short distances.
Honestly, they should've stuck with *either* the move speed penalty *or* the speed penalty for the dwarf. Both combined are just way too much for a "perk", especially since you are using points to make yourself worse.
Either that or add another hard stat upside, like having more stamina, or a faster build rate. Also, +50% damage is absurd either way. Make it somewhere in the ballpark of 25-30 and it might be more than just a complete meme (also, don't they know that dwarfs are natural sprinters?)
Good analysis
You missed a very big pro to dwarves, they're small and easier to hide with. As an Archer getting chased down, you can easily hide behind things or in bushes/grass.
Why your accent sounds like the Skellige one while introducing dwarfs lol
I did some testing with tank myself. Sometimes the damage reduction was as high as 40%; I think it varies from weapon to weapon.
Interesting. I tried 3 or 4 different weapons and different armor and it was always exactly 29 %. With what weapon/ against what armor did you get 40 %?
@@KingLouie111 Nvm. I have no clue how I got that number. I got a couple other numbers though like 25% but nothing higher than 29%.
Deep tank voice foppish and French is funny enough to make me run the perk
dwarf actually seems to work fairly decently with an engineer build, just make a barrier so no one can get to you and put up a ballista and voila, no need to worry about dmg and you stay out of the fray
You missed the best benefit of the tank, trading potential, by using a riposte you can easily trade with every weapon, that’s why I run 3-3-2 with maul and tank, so no matter what the other person has, I can afford to trade, but they can’t
The tank got its regen buffed
* Guy talking to a dev *
Ok so short legs make you slower --Yep!
So then long legs must make you --slower too, thats right!
..... We pride ourselves on realism
Ok....
Been playing for the last few days. Only play dwarf, have a great time and place just fine xD
WHO THE 'ELL THOUGHT DAT DWARFS ARE MORE FRAGILE??!?!?!!??
DAT IS GOING INTO MY BOOK OF GRUDGES YOU KNOIFE EARED GITZ!!!
I noticed that you can be a dwarf AND a tank at the same time, but consumes a lot of points
Draft perk should actually gives you bonus points.
Tank only cost 3 now which is dope!
I wish the tanks were more reliable, it seems like nobody uses them :(
now please do a video on the Dwarf/Tank hybrid
I only play dwarf
Why?
Cause how would you react to a dwarf killing everyone it sees
Good video.
So, tank is usable only on situations of 1v3 or resistance
Very helpful thanks
Good overview thank you
Well done!
And where is the Tank Dwarf perks together guide?)
Ok but what about the viability of a dwarf tank?