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The Battle of Proxima 3
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2022
- The Battle of Proxima 3 from B5's No Surrender, No Retreat (episode 15, season 4). Please note this is all the relevant CGI extracted in order from the episode.
I recently started re-watching (yet again) my Babylon 5 DVD box set collection. Figured I'd do a favour to all my subscribers that did so because of the B5 content I uploaded in the past.
Although it's entertainment, we can also consider it educational for anyone studying CGI of the mid 90's.
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One thing that needs stressing, and reminding people of; this was created in 1995. In those days this level of CGI was great, for a TV programme it was Outstanding
no, in those days it was not great, in those days it was also bad. It was good "for an amiga", sure. It was not "good" by any stretch. It looked like a bad computer game then and it looks even worse now.
Choreographed well though.
To be fair this was very good quality. Think about what else was around star trek was still using physical models at this point
@@Insertnamehere3000 and the models looked much better. This CGI was terrible at the time and it's even more terrible now.
@@Insertnamehere3000 besides, Sacrifice of Angels battle was same production year as season 4 babylon 5. The CGI was 100x better.
B5 has always looked cheap and nasty because it was filmed on a budget a third of star trek and the visual effects were made with bloody amigas lol
@@sarcasticstartrek7719 Well, I disagree.
The whitestars charging the pollux, ending with a crippled one bellyflopping into its bow is still a fantastic short sequence
Destroyed ships don’t just evaporate and if newton's laws are obeyed, you need to work hard to make sure the corpse of what you're shooting isn’t gonna finish you off too.
Mass Effect 2 said it best "when you fire this weapon, you are ruining somebodies day, somewhere, sometime"
My all time favourite. The plot was written by a genius. The way the episodes interacted with earlier and later episodes was a game changer.
Remember this series as a teenager growing up. Never tried to miss an episode period.
Love how @3:29 the white star crash into the hangar section wasn't limited to the impact site. The explosions went completely through the hangar section hinting at the substantial damage before the ship blows up.
Fabulous scripts, brilliantly acted out. Incredible depth to the characters and storylines. Babylon 5 may have been equalled, but never bettered.
erm Farscape cough......
BattleStar..
The Expanse would like a word.
Never bettered
@@michasmarzewski3670
The new BSG never had a coherent plan. This became apparent towards the end when revelations didn't fit what had already happened. B5 had a plan and its twists didn't destroy things that happened before.
At the time this was way better then Star Trek. Though i liked those too. The battles still look amazing!
Aye, much better than Star Trek!
Thank you for your comment JK Visions.💖
And now, anything is better than new Star Trek. Even old Star Trek.
I'm probably other way around I love both shows but I found this after I had been watching Star Trek from maybe 7 years old in '89. I probably didn't start B5 until it was onto its 2nd or 3rd season plus am assuming they were aired later here in the UK than the U.S, I had the VHS box sets for most seasons by 1997-98 before season 5 had aired I think. So due to that I think I love pre Discovery Star Trek a little more than B5, but I love Sci-fi so Farscape, Firefly, Stargate, Battlestar Galactica 70'-80's and remake, Earth 2 and so many other I simply cannot think of this second lol.
I do think I am not getting into newer Sci-fi shows as easily as i used to so am not sure if it is the shows now or the fact I have recently got into my 40's ? Obviously new Star Trek I mean WTF I am putting up with Picard just out of the fact I grew up with TNG but the rest I am so unsure of. Even things that are getting rave reviews like the Expanse I just can't seem to get more than 2 or 3 episodes in. Firefly Maybe the last one I really got into and then it got cancelled by idiots which might be the reason I have difficulty getting into them nowadays the fickle nature of TV with shows getting cancelled so easily. Or I could be getting weird lol
I grew up with this and was hooked on it from the first episode onwards.I loved how everything added up told a story and I have to admit the episode with Valen....you all know the one had me on the edge of my seat.Fanboiing like a teenager only can.
I started watching Babylon 5 again a little while ago. Still the best
Me too. Started watching it when it was just the pilot episode aired once a year along with Island City, and I think Robocop the series.
@@joeleek9976 showing our age there lol
@@warpz7827 yep.
This to me is the best space combat CGI of any film or TV show ever ever ever.
3:27 - I've always wondered if a White Star fits in the hangar bay of an Omega class cruiser. Now I know XD
thats dark... i like it
Something I realized only recently is that a whitestar is about the same size as an Excelsior class in star trek.
@@lucasbachmann I think this is because B5 ships stats are out of whack. Like no way the Omega class cruiser is 1.7km long and now way it has 1000 crewmen. What would they all do in there? The ship is just a core frame with lots of guns, ammo and explosives strapped onto it.
@@JAnx01 Crew of Omegas ranged from about 300 to 1000 (standard was arround 500, 300 probably is the minimun dedicated to just the ship, 500 includes fighter flight personel and crews, 1000 includes aditional troops) and probably could have more.. why wouldnt them? A supercarrier can allready carry 6000 people in a 300X40X40ish frame with most of that space dedicated to store planes, spares and fuel. The rotating sections of an Omega are huge and could contain probably 20 carriers in volume..then its the rest of the ship in zero G. the Core section of the Nova and the rest of the ship could house arround 18000 troops temporarily so an Omega wich is bigger should house 1000 easily. Even if the ship internally is mostly power generators, weapon magazines and other mechanical stuff
lol, answer is it does if you force it.
It was a cracking series, I still watch it and it beats most other sci fi shows, will be interesting what JMS does with the reboot
The way they all jump into the jump gate at once.....WOW!
One thing I noticed in Babylon 5 is the warships actually kept firing. The Enterprise would fire a couple of shots and then the bridge crew would go into a conference. Multiple weapons officers were needed to operate multiple phaser arrays.
Enterprise was vary automated, omega class destroyers have maned turrets like ww2 battle ships and the whitestar was one of the first ships to have computer integrated fire control
The Enterprise almost never fought a fleet battle. The Defiant for instance led several Galaxy class ships in at least 3 tremendous fleet battles and they all kept firing
Babylon 5 was a great show
It was damn impressive that Earth ships were able to destroy a whitestar. An heavily damage and possibly even destroyed others.
This stood out to me too. Though they're a hybrid, the ship tech level of both races used were beyond that of Earth Force, Even a single Minbari ship was more than a match for an Earth ship during the Earth Mimari war. No Earth ship ever defeated a Mimbari ship,. I always found this scene (though visually good) kinda 'off'.
Earth ships are less advanced, but they all have a ridiculous amount of firepower compared to other ships to compensate.
@@richtea615 Good point
It helped that the white stars were flying straight at the main guns of the earth ship. Why not use their superior manouvrability and attack from its flanks?
@@donkeysunited Maybe just all for the benefit of a longer and more exciting scene?
When the rotating section suddenly stops rotating you are going to bounce really hard off the wall.
other way around: you’d float if it stops as that’s providing gravity…no rotation, no gravity, no smacking unless you don’t watch where you’re floating
@@bostonrailfan2427 You are standing on a rotating section moving at X. You are also moving at X, since you are standing on it. Now the rotating section stops from a sudden mechanical failure. Unless you are strapped in, you will continue on in accordance with Newton's First Law (that inertia thing) until you contact something that stops you. (If you are strapped in that would be the straps.) After you collide with whatever then you will be weightless, and likely bruised. You could even break a bone or two.
@@mikespangler98wouldn’t that be mitigated by the interiors being curved or the rotation being so slow that it’s not causing that action as in fast enough for gravity force but slow enough to not cause that momentum shift?
@@bostonrailfan2427 Given a long enough runway in front of you and how slowly the rotation stops you might be able to slow your self down, but at as the rotations slows the force holding you to the floor also lessens so the amount of braking force you can apply is also less. I suspect you will end up rolling across the floor until you collide with the wall. Think of a motorcycle crash, the biker might be able roll and bounce long enough to dissipate the energy without serous injury. I did fine on a wipeout at 35 MPH.
In the episode where Kosh reveals himself it's mentioned that the shell of B5 was rotating at 60 MPH. The ship is smaller, but there is no requirement that the inside has to be at 1G either. What it's surface speed might be is open to debate. But if it locks up suddenly whoever is on the inside is going for a tumble.
What would really happen is more like the rotating section locks up and whole ship starts spinning at a slower speed since more mass is now rotating. Conservation of angular momentum is a real thing. We tend to ignore it on the surface of a planet because the planet is so massive that nothing we do can affect its rotation enough to measure.
Enough physics for today.😉
@@mikespangler98 at least it’s on topic and something not addressed directly!
This battle was awesome.
The moment when you see that Babylon 5 has its own squadron of Thunderbolts.
"They're clear to leave."
"I know."
"I was noticing the new paintjob on the Whitestar 2. Won't they- I mean, won't they know it's him?"
"I think that's the general idea, Lieutenant."
Abso-Fraggin'-lutely brilliant.
A number of things to point out. The beam weapons of the type utilized by the Omegas were new innovations for Earth Force that hadn’t been introduced into the vast majority of ships of the line during the Earth-Minbari war. This would’ve at least allowed Earth Forces ship to walk their fire into the Sharlins. Earth Force was primarily structured to fight the Dilgar line of battle & doctrine. Even if they track the Whitestars their are several of them attacking at speed & the Omegas also have to burn through all the active ECM the Whitestars are emitting. As for attacking head-on. I think that was just the budgeting & effects limitations placed on the show. The Omegas were probably moving on their axis constantly to keep the main batteries orientated on the main threats.
The Omega’s are nice looking ships.
I loved this show ❤️
Always a favorite! My wife and I have watched the full show several times. To pick one episode as a favorite is impossible but maybe The Day Of the Dead?
Can you say - what cause Worlon\Shadow conflict in the first place?
Earth fleet "All right let do this! LEEEEROY MM JANKINS!"
Keep up the Babylon 5 clips coming up.
In Star Trek humans are the greatest explorers in the galaxy and live in a utopia. In Babylon 5 we are the same old humans. A full range of ideologies, religions, politics. We are prideful, arrogant, racist and self destructive. Humans are known as the most cunning warriors in the galaxy as well. Truly a real look into the future in my opinion. Because nothing really changes with us. We just get more technologicaly advanced.
This implies that while just 2 or 3 decades ago earth wasnt even capable of locking a minbari ship their post war omegas are now capable of effectively engaging the newest minbari design which even integrates vorlon tech.
ya its kind of weird, the power creep that Earth Force experiences didn't make any sense. Especially since the same amount of White Stars could effectively fight a Shadow crab.
Rarely, and the _White Star_ had to sacrifice a lot to get the performance it did, and that meant it couldn't do everything at once. It could do all three in mediocre quantities, but generally they focused on speed and firepower...
In the 30's the US Navy flew biplanes.
Three decades later they were launching F4 Phantom's.
War inspires progress...
@@QUEEG500_ Its still waaay too fast. They were portrayed as being thousands of years behind technologically.
@@TheDude50447 They had the Shadows helping them behind the scenes. This caught them up quickly.
I’m unsure as to why Omegas repeatedly suffer catastrophic damage from being hit in the forward hangar.
What, are they packing it with explodium?
Its was never show in use
Both side of the Omegas behind the forward hanger was 24 missile silos
Additional the launchers on the front were for mines
Repeatedly?
It's a hanger... you know? Even after launching fighters a hanger still has live ammo and these are not StarWars ships where they are heavily armored inside and out, or StarTrek ships where the hanger holds no munitions because well the shuttles are always loaded... and phasers need charging not ammo... remember in Babylon 5 fighters still used Missiles, and even nuke torpedoes, as well as cluster munitions and warships were more like submarines... even in Battlestar Galactica the original series the hanger is a weak point.. get in there and uou can cause serious damage
Wish there was a B5 game.
I remember I had a B5 mod for Homeworld 2. ua-cam.com/video/ekyl1XpIa8I/v-deo.htmlsi=xZE8BwPHogcpiuea
3:31 cat sound🙂
*I ❤️ BABYLON 5!!!!!*
somebody should do a babylon 5 carnage count for all 5 seasons
So from the few clips of Babylon 5's ship scenes that found their way into my feed, All Hail the Algorithm, Whitestars are non human ships? I can assume the ones with Human names and rotating portions are Earth ships, but from an earlier clip, Whitestars were deployed by forces hostile to Humans? How'd Humans get an apparent fleet of Whitestars? Why did Humans, presumably in their own Whitestar fleet, engage other Human ships at Proxima 3?
thank you great video
This entire comment is triggered because of this video's opening line in the 3 seconds.
And the fact that all throughout the Star Trek universe, officers are always reviewing and searching each other's "personal" logs.
Example1: Deana Troy searching over 7 years worth of her mother's personal log for a clue to why her mom fell into a coma in the STTNG episode where a new race of telepaths were aboard the Enterprise and learning to speak VERBALLY.
Spoiler at the bottom...
Example 2: STTNG - Aquila. One of the worst episodes but again we see Geordi Laforge going thru every one of her VERY personal logs all directed to her FAMILY....
Clearly in the future personal log doesnt mean private....
Or maybe in addition to a duty log and personal log Starfleet officers should keep a third log called "My super personal log - No peeking!"
*Spoiler - this was the episode we learn Deana had an older sibling who died when she was very young. The coma was caused by Deana's mother repressing the grief.
Holding stuff in is NEVER GOOD - Not now. Not in the future. And not even if you're a full telepath. 😁
I get what your saying but reading someones personal log isn't the same as launching a coop and civil war against your own government cause you don't like the VP. Sheridan is a traitor and he should be hanged.
While I love this battle, I think Sherridan should have left the Starfuries home, frankly they don't give the White Stars anything they can't do themselves and are thus needless casualties IMHO! Seriously, no Starfury can truly hurt a White Star, so ignore them, destroy or disable the capital ships and then mop them up if they don't surrender!
And the White Stars should also never attack from the front or the rear of an Omega-Class! Damned, avoid those main guns!
He really could not.. a big problem the resistance sice had from the start was the propaganda from Clarke regimen that they were working with or under influence of alien goberments to put Earth under control. Sheridan couldnt show up to liberate Proxima 3 and hope to convince the Earth commanders there to join up or discuss the situation with only alien ships ..that would support Clarke propaganda..so he had to show also with other Earth Forces.. thats why he said earth ships defecting were so important and why Ivanova made him lead the final battle from an Earth Ship instead of a Minbari one (in that battle also the alien ships kept mostly back until shit hit the fan and they needed everyone to stop the AEGIS guns)
He absolutely needed those ships and other EA Captains to defect. Sheridan had only a limited number of White Stars which fell under his control as leader of the Rangers with Delenn.
Taking on the ENTIRE Earth Alliance would have been suicide. Fortunately, half of Earth Force was against the actions of President Clark. Many stayed on the sidelines but for Sheridans sake many joined his cause especially when it was revealed Clark was behind the assassination of his predecessor President Santiago.
Sheridan wouldn't have had near the support if it was just "alien" ships going up against Clark.
3:32 "See how you humans like it when your cap ships get rammed!"
Dr Kelso from Scrubs was an odd sight on rewatch.
who won ?
I dunno... maybe *don't* fly straight at the enemy guns?!?
This looks so familiar but I can't remember the name of the show.
Babylon 5
А нет про атландиды прошлые времена
Типа кино бригада опг или как то так но про сосмос
Денди
White Stars made the fights boring, way too OP.
I always hated Sheridan, a self appointed hero crusader that launched a civil war against his government. what a traitor.
What's your take on Sisko?
@@KMCA779He likes 2 poison planets.
He didn't like establishing antidemocratic tyrannical regime.
А млв лучше лариса