Is the Producer a Songwriter?
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2020
- Is the Producer a Songwriter? Do they receive songwriting credits? Watch now to discover the answer!
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You are spot on. ✊🏾 I’m a producer and engineer. And work with songwriters who bring me complete songs to produce. And I never even think about being an automatic songwriter of their composition. I just charge an upfront fee for producing and engineering the song. And I’m ok with that. Thanks for this info and confirmation.
It’s nice to meet knowledgeable people! Thank you so much for the feedback. Nothing wrong with receiving credits if they offer though… 😅 God bless!
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Thank you for sharing this information in a very clear and concise way. Great videos for music producers.
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I’m so happy to hear that! You’re welcome!
I really appreciate this because I was told by a producer that because I didn’t play the instruments, I’m not a writer.. problem is, I created all the vocal lines and lyrics to make the instrumental into a song. It really took a toll on my artistic confidence being relegated to just “lyricist”. I know I can write even though I don’t play.
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Thank you. You broke it down fairly directly and simply stated.
I'm curious your thoughts on a scenario -
A writer creates a basic melody and puts their lyrics to it, using only a piano for the instrumental accompaniment on a demo of there song... then they submit the demo to a recording vocalist artist.
The original writer submits the demo, but they do not attend the recording session.
The vocalist at session also is somewhat of a musician themselves, so after listening to the demo submitted to them at the session, and listening to the piano accompaniment, the vocal-artist grabs a guitar and works through the arrangement, showing the guitar-player hired for the session ideas he has for wanting to add guitar parts to the song. Then the vocalist also does this with the drums.. (shows the drummer what type of percussion idea he has and would like added to the song).
Then vocal-artist also does the same thing with piano player showing them on the piano what ideas he has for piano parts.
So at this point the vocalist has created parts for the professional musicians in the studio .. They now have added guitar, bass, drums and piano to the sumitted song.
Keeping in mind the original submitted demo was somewhat relatively under-produced with only piano accompaniment with the lyrics.
The singer / musician, and his band members, they essentially took the songwriters initial creation to the next level, to the point of the bands finished recording resembles little of the initial submitted demo, (with exception of course to the initial songwriters lyrics and basic Melody also of course).
All combined, with the initial songwriters demo, and then the transformative work done in the studio, some I've talked to in the industry say those involved with the changes in the recording session would be deserving of "producing credit", some even say "arranging credit" as well.
Thus they would be worthy / deserving or requesting a percentage of royalties as active Producing.
I have seen others speak to that scenario saying the musicians changes to original demo if musically significant enough would be worthy of requesting a percentage of Co-writing credit.
I'm just always curious the viewpoints from others that speak of these Topics in the industry, what they say would be a fair expectation among all parties involved in scenario as described above?
Curious your thoughts. Thank you in advance.
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Finally you do a video ☺. It's good that u did a visual this time. Anyway isn't a producer consider a write with Bmi?
cjfacey 😅 thank you... not necessarily... no. If they are a writer and have an account, yes.
@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy oh ok
So let's say someone produce a try but didn't write the lyrics or composed the beat. On average how much percentage is that person entitled to?
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Wonderful information. So thankful for you & this platform. Quick question: If I wrote a gospel song a few years ago that was never released & an artist came along & wants to record & release it. If she adds adlibs throughout the song that wasn’t in the song originally is that considered a derivative?
Thank you! As far as a derivative creation? No, it’s not;, especially if the melody, the lyrics, etc are the same. In Gospel, that's what we do, adlib! Smile! It would be a cover license for the Artist to use your song.
Thanks a lot. Since new words were being expressed/added as she adlib over the background vocals I wasn’t sure. Thanks again
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Always great info! Question: I write lyrics and melody. Usually when I bring a song to someone to do the track, it's usually finished. Well, there maybe some changes I make or some arrangement changes, but usually the lyrics and melody are good to go. Should I first copyright the song before having a producer do the track and then copyright it again for the sound recording after the track is done? Should I share composition copyright if I give them the complete song? Or are they entitled to the sound recording copyright only? Would they own all of the sound recording copyright if I'm also the vocalist? I'm ok with splitting 50/50 if I'm toplining on a track. But I need guidance when I'm writing the full song. I'm ok with the producer having all or most of the sound recording copyright if that's how it should go. But often the producer wants composition copyright, too. Some don't understand that the song is the lyrics and melody and my contribution seems devalued. Thanks so much!
Hopefully these two videos will answer your questions. When it comes to registering your song with the Library of Congress it’s up to you if you want to separately register both. You could do it after the song is finished and get both rights with the sound recording form.
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Sounds like you own 100% of the composition (melody + lyrics) = song. If you pay a producer for a recorded version of that song and you’re the vocalist too. Then the SR is yours too. Producers are paid for their service. And paid a little cut from the downloads from the SR only. Maybe 2 or 3 percent of each download. But that’s in the air and up to you. Usually producers will just charge you upfront maybe anywhere from 300 to 1000 dollars (locally) to produce your song.
@sagcap7927 most of them are demanding 50% of the publishing royalties that come from the composition.
@@jewelthompson4210well, I can see why. If you wrote the song to their beat. Then they would want some type of percentage of the composition, because you wrote your song based of the producers beat. But demanding 50% I’m not sure. Usually when a singer/ songwriter writes to one of my tracks. They’re usually automatically open to give me 50% of the publishing because it’s considered a co-write.
Wow I always knew it a producer was a song writer but now I’m sure 😸
Well now it depends, remember it’s not automatic! Watch it again! 🤗
This is good advice. So if I created the beat and I wrote the lyrics, but I have a producer mix my song that doesn't mean he produced my song. Especially if he never stated it in the contract or if he was a industry producer posing as a mom and pop producer than he can't say he created my song because he mix it! Correct
Sofoni Beats right he would be credited as the mix engineer.
Hi,
I need advice on a issue i have.
I teamed up with a songwriter so we can send songs to major labels/artists.
Now i wanna know how will she be credited (songwriter) for example if the major artist took one line out of her lyrics or if the artist used a bit of her melody, whether it’s just a tiny bit or more than 50%....
Please help me, i thank you in advance for your time.
It depends on the agreement you sign. You should always have a writing agreement that states the percentages you all agree to. Never let it just be assumed what it might be. Know what it will be by discussing it and signing a split sheet. Watch this video I did to help explain more.
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Hi thank yo for this video and your content! I have written a song (lyrics and vocal melody) and a producer added instruments to it and now wants songwriter credits as a composer which feels wrong to me. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you very much for your time!
You’re welcome! The truth is I explained this exact situation in the video. This is why I also stress making sure conversations are had BEFORE work begins. Also, to understand how things work in order to avoid these type of happenings. You are indeed the songwriter. However, anything is negotiable and if you want to give the producer credit you can. If not doing so causes him to stop working with you or not give you the tracks you’ll need to make a decision on how to proceed. Have you paid them? What was the agreement between the both of you? If he had already produced the music and you then wrote the lyrics and melody to that music, you both then would own the song. It’s now up to you to decide what you will do.
@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy okay thank you so much! I needed the confirmation and i really should have negotiated before working with him! He did say he wanted a share of my royalties (in turn of him producing without me paying for this service) which i agreed to bc its fair but i didnt even think about the possibility of him crediting himself as a songwriter. Bc I wrote the entire song on my own, put the first part on a forum and he contacted me and made an instrumental arrangement to it. So no, i didnt use his instrumentals to write the song, he used my song to make his instrumental arrangements. And it kinda crushed me when he credited himself on his own as a songwriter-composer on this song. Also bc it is so personal to me and my experience with chronic illness and entirely my work. Like the song would still exist excactly like it is without him bc he didnt contributed to the vocal melody or lyrics. What he did was adding instruments and changing my guitar chords. Thank you for answering and i hope you have a nice day!
@@m.m.4565 I’m so sorry you are I’ll. I am going to pray for you. May the Lord God Almighty who knows the heart of every soul look kindly and favorable towards you this day and stretch forth His hand of mercy towards you for good and cause a miracle to be wrought in your life and grant you wholeness, soundness and relief from all of your struggles in Jesus mighty name, Amen.
You have a blessed day as well. Lessons learned gives us wisdom and better judgement. May everything be restored to you that was lost. God bless you!
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I signed with bmi recently but without submitting w8ben form , I choosed to submit it later, it's now ready , how can I resend it ?, or to which mail should I ?
Farooc Music call them and ask for member services. They’ll let you know what to do.
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This has been a grey subject since people have gotten together to make music. Music producers in earlier days were easier related to movie producers, the songwriters sat around a piano to write a song (like script writers, writing a movie script) then they (both) handed the works over to producers to gather the personnel to create the song (studio musicians, arrangers, engineers etc for music ... director, actors, crew etc for films).
Over time, music producers began to step from around their desks and get involved in the studio with the "creation" of the song. A good rule of thumb is if you pick up an instrument or sheet music (for example "writing" a string arrangement) to create an element to the song that wasn't there before, you have the RIGHT to be considered a songwriter.
Now whether you are actually GRANTED that right at the end of the song, is up to a case by case basis. I've known people who have worked with large artists and have added fundamental elements to songs that did not get proper writers credits when the business got handled. Some have even gone to court/arbitrations to get it worked out. It's a sticky part of the business. It's best to have an understanding before you walk into a session, however sometimes you also just gotta way if the opportunity is big enough to maybe take a hit on this round to possibly open the door to more propositions down the road. Because gaining a reputation of not only being someone who turns out good music but also (and often more importantly) being someone who works well with others in the studio and at meetings will make your phone ring more often and eventually put you in a position to call your own shots!
Thanks for your feedback! I understand the frustration. You’re correct in that you must have a discussion before you start working. Everything is negotiable but there are fundamental things with which to build from. Watch my video on songwriting credits.
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Can you explain what a producer is? I dont understand what that position is.
Thanks for stopping by. Watch this video I did, it gives you a great overview of what a producer is.
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I also have a few more videos on my channel concerning producers. They're not long, why don't you check those out as well. Thanks for watching!
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Happy New Year to you! If you are fully versed in all the areas of the business and want to join you should. If not learn how registrations work and make sure you have done all of the basics first.
@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy thank you soon much I like your simplsty
hello again I have a question I have a artist that have unregistered catalog of Music I want to purchase a stake of his music 10% writer share for exchange of registering his music, doing the metadata for each song also using my money to register his music with a distributor like a cdbaby or tunecore etc and registering his music with the copyright office so my question is this more of a co publishing deal situation or do I have to make some changes that will fit my situation?
That’s more of an administrative deal…
@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy hello again sorry for the late reply I thought it was more of a co pub deal due to the fact I'm investing my own money in exchange of 10 percent of each of his works I didn't you can do that with a admin deal I guess it makes more sense that its more of a admin because ill be providing a service for that artist registering his works and etc
I have another question if a artist can't afford to get there publishing setup can I put my money up and set it up for them if so what kind of deal is that? now this question is just a hypothetical question
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@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy thank you for the love I appreciate that I have another question the artist I told you about with handling his catalog for exchange of 10% writers he only have a writers share and publishing administration account with songtrust I told him I think its important to setup your publishing so that way if you collab with different artist you're have everything setup if he was to do a collab with a artist and he produce the track can he still do splits with only writers and publisher administration with songtrust?
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Hi, this has nothing to do with the video, but I want to ask you something. How can I claim 100% of someone's income on a youtube video? Someone used a piece of my beat. I allow that because my beats are free for non-profit.
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If the producer composes the music: he is owner of the composition AUTOMATICALLY... correct?
Citiboyz Music yes!
Hi how are you doing. Can you give example contract on owning the master
Happy New Year Woody! If perhaps later when I have opportunity, I may be able to provide some examples. Can’t promise now though... my schedule is full.
Happy new year. Ok will it be ok to send you my email
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Suppose if i am the songwriter, with my own little vocal melody (not instruments), then producer addd extra melody to make full instrumental for my song, so who is the composer here?
You are the songwriter if you wrote the melody and the lyrics. If the producer added music, it's still the same. You are the songwriter. Adding the melody that you created to music doesn't make him the songwriter. If you want to give him part of the credits you are welcome to do that.
@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy thank you but i mean who is the composer here? Producer did all the instrumentals with extra melody whereas i did lyrics and little melody.
@@backpackingvillager1480did the producer write the music, and then you came and wrote lyrics and melody to that music? If so, then this makes the producer author of the music. If you wrote the melody and the lyrics and hired a producer to create music to your song, you are the writer. If you want, give him 50% for adding a little instrumental melody to your song. Hope this makes sense.
@@TheMusicBusinessMadeEasy i hired the producer to add full instrumental based on my lyrics and little melody but on the metadata in the composer category, who should i write? My name or his name?
@@backpackingvillager1480 did you agree to give him any writer credits when producing the song? Is there an agreement between the both of you?
Melody and lyrics without music that's an original master songwriter
The melody is music!
@The Music Business Made Easy the melody is music but it's not a song a song is lyrics music and chorus or a hook some people play music but they can't write songs
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