The Church Impotent - - The History And Theology of Dispensationalism
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- Do Dispensationalists really read the Bible literally, or through an unbiblical pietism? We challenge everyone to be good Bereans and to compare what they are told the Bible says with what it actually does. This is a presentation of Christ Presbyterian Church, a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah (www.gospelutah.org).
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Dispensationalism has replaced Christ with a reconstituted national Israel as the centrepiece of sacred biblical prophecy. ✔️
What so many fail to see is that Jesus is the true Israel, and all who are in Him are sons and daughters of Abraham.
@@ancientpathstv “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” ~ Galatians 3:29
@@ancientpathstv that couldn't be more true! Are you a-millennial? I am now on a journey from pre to a Millenniumism.
Gods blessing
@@lionegberts I'm an optimistic amillenialist. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv I am leaning to that as well.
Me before this video: "The Anabaptists were revolutionaries"
Me after this video: "The Anabaptists were demon possessed revolutionaries."
A fair thing to point out is that not all anabaptists were the same, they had a wide range of views. Muntzer was the most fanatic of all anabaptists and sadly was the "uniform" view that a lot of people had of anabaptists afterwards, even up until the First London Baptist Confession they were "wrongly called anabaptist".
@NuanceOverDogma No its not. The early Anabaptists were evil, Unitarian heretics.
Victors write history. Most of what we know about the Anabaptists were written by their foes.
@@John3.36innovators pure and simple
@@John3.36 so all of the history that was presented in this documentary was false in your view? Seems he substantiated everything very well. There may have been victors, but it is a non-sequitor to suggest that all the documented history that followed was skewed.
The reality is that even if they did not have foes of opposing views on Baptism and Covenant, many times they killed each other for minor disagreements.
This has always been the case, and continues to be today (perhaps without bloodshed) between all Baptists. They are always horribly divided, fighting about everything, and splitting over the most minor things. Proof? Look no further than the mess that is the SBC.
This is very good. I am impressed with the amount of Biblically sound analysis of Dispensational rhetoric in this video. There needs to be more of this kind of precise documentation available. You have done a tremendous job. Thank you.
Thank you!
I didn't know about any of this. This is not covered in any school or church I've ever attended. I learned a lot here. I have a good friend who promoted the ideas of dispensationalism to me. I didn't know anything about it, as I had never heard the word before. I hope many more Christian people see this video, so that they are not led astray. Thank you.
Thank you! Sadly most American "Protestants" have little to no idea what the Reformation was all about. You might also enjoy this. ua-cam.com/video/3AplWYXFiCA/v-deo.html
This was fantastic. You covered so so much in this video! It really should be called Fullfillment theology instead of Replacement theology. My husband and I were just pushed out of a local bible study because we shared truth about dispensationlism and the group refused to listen. In my small town in Arizona, ALL the churches here teach rapture junk and dispensationlism. Your video is even more relevant today! Thank you so much. This was such a blessing to watch.
Thank you!
Typically it is referred to as fulfillment theology. "replacement theology" is a strawman argument pushed by dispensationalists.
Definitely FULFILMENT theology. John's gospel speaks of TRUE bread, vine, etc. The former wasn't false, but was only a type.
Also, great video. Thank you for your service!!!
@@biblehistoryscience3530 We've been grafted into the same olive tree (Romans 11) and are now sons of Abraham (Galatians 3). We who were strangers and aliens from the commonwealth of Israel have been brought near through the blood of Christ (Ephesians 2). It's not a replacement, but an expansion of Israel. Abraham has been made the father of many goyim and heir of the world (Romans 4).
@@ancientpathstvWhen you covered the part about mysticism you nailed the heresy of not just dispensationalism but ALL Futurist eschatologies. I criticized even ppl like Pastor Doug Wilson, InspiringPhilosophy's Mike Jones and many others for their Post-millennialism. I think Dr. Gary Demar is coming around to the truth. That truth being a cross between full preterism and amillennialism. I have yet to work out the details.
Best 2 hours I've spent all day, I'll have to rewatch it a couple more times to digest everything, so I look forward to watching again.
Amen! Excellent documentary! May Dispensationalists and us as well, learn to allow Scripture to shape our system of belief and not the other way around.
Alll glory, praise, and honor to the Lord Jesus Christ, the One True Israel of God!
Thank you!
I haven’t watched the video because of the comments. if a Christian doesn’t have the view or at least considers Dispensational premillennialism as biblical truth, they have no clue about Scripture or Early Christian doctrine. There are multiple sources of early doctrine that show they were dispensational premillennialists. More so on the premillennialists side but enough of clear dispensationalists. For example the Apostle John discipled Polycarp and Polycarp discipled Irenaeus who was a clear dispensational premillennialists in 180Ad. His disciple Hippolytus wrote 2 books of over 100 sections/chapters giving us great details on the topic which is very clearly dispensational premillennialists.
What’s sad is that Christians have to twist scripture to make their ideologies work.
@@mbfrommb3699 May I suggest one carefully watch the video before even commenting. Premillennialist thought was indeed present in the early church. It was however, Historic Premillenialism, which is different from Dispensational Premillenialism. The latter only surfaced around 200 years ago with origins that are quite questionable. Thank you.
@@mbfrommb3699 We weren't afraid to listen to our critics and engage them. Why are you?
@@ancientpathstv im not afraid. This isn’t an attack against you. The reality is the Lord will unfold the future one way. Either all our views are wrong and based on falsehoods or only 1 is correct.
Hes laid it all out for us in Scripture the problem is that most Christians don’t know the basic format of Scripture which is that from Adam and Eve to the 2nd coming is 6000 years + 1000 years of a literal millennial reign on earth (Zechariah 14, etc)
For 7000 years or heavenly 7 days.
Scripture covers a finite period of time which goes from creation to eternity.
Understanding the format we can then see 4000 years of fulfilled prophecy and how it’s to be understood. I am not here to attack you personally as I don’t know you. I will watch your video but starting with Darby as many often do completely causes a falsehood to be believed. Darby sure had his beliefs but far too many Christian’s think that Dispensational premill was invented by him or that it’s only a few hundred years old. It’s not. It’s over 2500 years old. First spoken of in Daniel.
Human beings whether they’re Jews or Gentiles all face the same issues. Time and the enemy = false doctrines.
From Moses to Jesus the Pharisees (1,300 years) got their theology all wrong because they had adopted slowly over time false doctrines. That it blinded them to the prophecy Jesus was fulfilling in real time in front of them.
Christians are no different. We all know about 400 ad a lot of false doctrines had become a part of Christianity. But now in the era of the most amount of prophecies coming to pass in real time (I’ve tracked about 100 in my life). I’ve predicted a number of things in advance because of Scripture over the last 7-8 years. I have also referenced both Scripture and the disciples of the Apostles who wrote more on the topic than I have especially Hippolytus. The problem with Americans and the West is that they love their entertainment. So there are a lot of guesses and incomplete understanding of the topic and the constant Rapture dates have also caused a lot of doubt. I criticize everyone for these things not just you. The reality though is that the Lord since January 30, 2020 has actively been collapsing the West. Nothing is by accident and the only reason that He has begun to do this is because His people are wicked. 2 Chronicles 7:14.
Instead of healing the nations, He’s divided them. He’s showing us Mark 3:24 and Joel 3:1-2.
Like I said this is not an attack on you. And I am not saying I agree with all dispensational views but it’s the one that explains the global economic collapse and world war we are rapidly marching toward and knowing that the Lord is dividing all the nations tells me, the world will not be spared. This isn’t one country or one empire but all of them. The US, Europe, China and finally Russia. Maybe I prejudged your video but most Eschatological views aren’t taking reality into account. Take xare
I sat under DTS professors at JBU and have attended Baptist and Bible churches. The Lord led me to Christ Presbyterian in Flower Mound, TX. It has been quite a transition for me to learn the OPC beliefs and doctrines. This video was very helpful. I will share with others including my Pastor. Thank you so much for making this documentary.
Thank you for the kind encouragement!
To suppose that the Israel being discussed in Isaiah 52 and 53 must be the physical nation of Israel is to suppose that at least the book of Judges (not to mention all the other books in which Israel is judged for sin) is fiction, for it is said in ch. 53 that the suffering servant "had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth". Anyone who can apply this to the nation of Israel is a blind fool, twisting the scriptures to their own destruction. Isaiah 53 can only be about Christ and therefore He alone is the true Israel of God, the seed to whom all the promises are made. That being the case, I call upon all dispensationalists to stop replacing Christ with that disobedient nation.
I call upon all amills to read scripture literally, not ORIGEN-ALLY.
@@gerard4870 Origen was a univeralist, something that most orthodox theologians would regard as a heresy worthy of discipline if not excommunication. You plead for a 'literal reading', but the hermeneutic you advocate for is in fact one that is imposed onto the text from a premise of rejecting the typology and fuller, spiritual meaning drawn from Old Testament passages by the apostles. Thus, dispensationalists read OT prophecies concerning Israel just as an unbelieving 1st century Jew would, heedless of the apostolic hermeneutic that properly interprets these promises in light of Christ's advent and His renovation of the covenant people. The church, i.e. the elect people of God in all ages, composed of both Jewish and Gentile believers, is said by Paul to be "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:15-6). If this be the case, then all of the promises given to Israel pertaining to Messiah's redemptive work, the ingathering and exaltation of God's people, and the triumphant reign of the Davidic king are not solely in reference to the Jewish nation, but likewise extends to them who the LORD calls "My people" that formerly were not His people, and them who are called "sons of the Living God" (Romans 9:26). As a result, the things spoken of by the prophets concerning Israel that did not come to pass in the former days, before Messiah was revealed, but which are plainly eschatological in nature have reference NOT to the Israel of the flesh (that nation of unbelieving Jews the bulk of whom were cut off and driven out of the vineyard on account of their unbelief, per Matthew 21:33-46), but to the Israel of God; that is, the ἐκκλησία or church. The unity of God's chosen people throughout the Old and New Testaments is the reason why Paul can so strongly state to the Roman church that "For whatever was written in the past was all written for our instruction, so that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope." (Romans 15:4) Were the OT prophecies addressing Israel meant solely for the Jews, no such thing could rightly be said.
This is why dispensationalism is such a pestilential heresy. It rends the Old Testament from the New, muddies the waters so far as Law and Gospel are concerned, and makes the New Testament believer a second-class citizen in God's moral economy and redemptive purposes; a side project or one-off, in comparison to the detailed eschatological program laid out for the Jews. As Arthur W. Pink once said, dispensationalism, in whatever form, steals the bread that the Heavenly Father has specially prepared for the building up and nourishment of His children, and casts it before swine. Those clever Zionists who presently preside as leaders of the secular Israeli state know this too, and that's why AIPAC financially supports fundamentalist churches who peddle in this kind of hogwash. Blind support for the state of Israel is conflated with Christian duty and piety, when that sort of partiality on account of one's descent is explicitly condemned in Scripture itself (Matthew 3:9; Romans 2:11-16, 27-29; Acts 10:34-43).
I got an apologetics degree at Biola, one of the main Dispensationalist schools. Ryrie was required reading. It was so convoluted and twisted I could not get my head around it. Never really adopted it and became a Reformed Covenant guy with some help from R.C. Sproul's ministry.😀
I tell folks I was a Dispensationalist until I tried to explain it. 🙂
I also got an apologetics degree from Biola this last fall. Fortunately, Ryrie is no longer required reading material.
@@joshuang6896 Really? I did not know that.
@@LorinPartain Yes. They have relaxed their position on classical dispensationalism in favor of progressive dispensationalism.
@@joshuang6896 They need to abandon it all together and adopt Covenant Theology.
Hello from the OPC's tame Anglican. I'm glad you've put this out as promised. The issue, having come out of one of MacArthur's sermons, arose amongst my friends a few weeks ago. Perfect timing. Almost like Divine Providence or something!
This is rich! It's dense with quotes, covers so much material, is well balanced, and provides sound arguments. I've watched the first 20 mins about 5 times and the whole thing once. I feel like if I'm going to get a strong enough grasp that I'll need to watch the entire thing several times over. Might just be the best documentary I've ever seen. I feel like I could even share it with my dispy friends because, unlike others, it's mostly just history and sound biblical argumentation, instead of a full-throttle attack.
Thank you!
Part 1/2 Here's the problem, it's all a lie. I always say if you want poor theology read Christians from 1000-1800AD. The problem is that Christians don't actually study, they assume and then build their own understanding. Now we can debate the topic, I have no issue but if someone comes and says here's what Christians have taught and they don't even consider what we call "Dispensational Premillennialism" today they have no clue about Scripture of what early Christians taught.
Let's deal with Premillennialism first, because that goes back to Genesis.
Genesis 2:15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Now we know Adam ate. So did he die in the subsequent 24 hours? No.
Genesis 5:5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. (930 years old) So is GOD a liar? No. It's a clue.
Genesis 3 the punishment for the sin. 17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life...19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.” The curse was that we would toil and work the earth by the sweat of our brow, and we would be mortals who died.
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Adam lived 930 years which is just less than 1000 years.
Psalm 90:For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3: 8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
This isn't an allegory it's a cipher a ratio to understand Scripture. 1 heavenly day = 1000 earthly years.
So Adam died in the "day" year 1-1000 he was created (year 930). year 1000 end of Day 1. Abraham year 2000 from Creation (end of Day 2). David year 3000 from Creation (end of Day 3). Now we can debate whether Jesus's crucifixion (32AD) or the destruction of the Temple (70AD) was the year 4000 but we are now 2000 years later (approx) so we are approaching the year 6000 (2032-2070AD).
6 days or 6000 years we will toil until the LORD's return and He establishes His kingdom for 1000 years. Why 1000? To complete the 7000 year plan of redemption before eternity. 6000 years from Adam and Eve to the 2nd Coming + 1000 years for the Millennial Kingdom.
Early Christian writings. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9
Irenaeus 180 AD For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. Against Heresies 5:28
Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80
Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1
Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3
Justin Martyr (100-165AD) “There will be a literal one-thousand-year reign of Christ.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue 81
Papius First Century (60AD-130AD) “I was taught by the Apostle John, himself, that after the resurrection of the dead, Jesus will personally reign for one thousand years.” Papias, Fragment 6
I could go on with many more references but you get the idea.
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As far as what we call "Dispensationalism" most Christians can't define it but what they say it contains are things like a literal reading of Scripture, That Israel and the Church are separate, the Rapture, a 7 year period or Tribulation, and an Antichrist.
Well, we have over 100 chapters of early Christian writings discussing these ideas post-70AD.
The lineage of disciples: Apostle John taught Polycarp. Polycarp taught Irenaeus, and Irenaeus taught Hippolytus.
Irenaeus (about 180 AD) wrote a 5 volume work called “Against Heresies” “In 2 Thessalonians, the ‘falling away’ is an apostasy and there will be a literal rebuilt temple. In Matthew, the ‘abomination spoken by Daniel’ is the Antichrist sitting in the temple as if he were Christ. The abomination will start in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week and last for a literal three years and six months. The little horn is the Antichrist. Against Heresies 5.25 (notice literal Temple)
Hippolytus (170-235AD): On the End of the World A Discourse by the Most Blessed Hippolytus, Bishop and Martyr, on the End of the World, and on Antichrist, and on the Second Coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
"Above all, moreover, he will love the nation of the Jews. And with all these he will work signs and terrible wonders, false wonders and not true, in order to deceive his impious equals. For if it were possible, he would seduce even the elect from the love of Christ. But in his first steps he will be gentle, loveable, quiet, pious, pacific, hating injustice, detesting gifts, not allowing idolatry; loving, says he, the Scriptures, reverencing priests, honoring his elders, repudiating fornication, detesting adultery, giving no heed to slanders, not admitting oaths, kind to strangers, kind to the poor, compassionate. And then he will work wonders, cleansing lepers, raising paralytics, expelling demons, proclaiming things remote just as things present, raising the dead, helping widows, defending orphans, loving all, reconciling in love men who contend, and saying to such, “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath;” Ephesians 4:26 and he will not acquire gold, nor love silver, nor seek riches. And at first, indeed, that deceitful and lawless one, with crafty deceitfulness, will refuse such glory; but the men persisting, and holding by him, will declare him king. And thereafter he will be lifted up in heart, and he who was formerly gentle will become violent, and he who pursued love will become pitiless, and the humble in heart will become haughty and inhuman, and the hater of unrighteousness will persecute the righteous. Then, when he is elevated to his kingdom, he will marshal war; and in his wrath he will smite three mighty kings, - those, namely, of Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia. And after that he will build the temple in Jerusalem (notice literal Temple), and will restore it again speedily, and give it over to the Jews. And then he will be lifted up in heart against every man; yea, he will speak blasphemy also against God, thinking in his deceit that he shall be king upon the earth hereafter forever; not knowing, miserable wretch, that his kingdom is to be quickly brought to naught, and that he will quickly have to meet the fire which is prepared for him, along with all who trust him and serve him. For when Daniel said, “I shall make my covenant for one week,” Daniel 9:27 he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week - that is to say, for three years and a half -Antichrist will reign upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away. Behold, ye who love God, what manner of tribulation there shall rise in those days, such as has not been from the foundation of the world, no, nor ever shall be, except in those days alone. Then the lawless one, being lifted up in heart, will gather together his demons in man’s for, and will abominate those who call him to the kingdom, and will pollute many souls. Section 23-25
Hippolytus (170-235 AD) wrote a 67 section/ chapter writing called "The Antichrist - a Treatise on Christ and Antichrist"
"Now Daniel will set forth this subject to us. For he says, “And one week will make a covenant with many, and it shall be that in the midst of the week my sacrifice and oblation shall cease.” Daniel 9:27 By one week, therefore, he meant the last week which is to be at the end of the whole world, of which week the two prophets Enoch and Elias will take up the half. For they will preach 1,260 days clothed in sackcloth, proclaiming repentance to the people and to all the nations." ...For John says, “And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” Revelation 11:3 That is the half of the week that Daniel spoke about. “These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire will proceed out of their mouth, and devour their enemies; and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy; and have power over waters, to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they will.” Revelation 11:4-6 And when they shall have finished their course and their testimony, what does the prophet say? “the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them,” Revelation 11:7 because they will not give glory to Antichrist. For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, “I considered the horns, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them until the beast was slain, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.” Daniel 7:8
The Rapture:
Irenaeus 180AD “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” “Against Heresies 5.29
Ephrem 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD
Lactantius in the second century between 100-200AD in his commentary of the Apocalypse that Rev 6:14 (which is prior to the 7 years) is when "the Church shall be taken away” Victorinus a bishop who lived in 240AD (martyred 304AD) also wrote "And the heaven withdrew as a scroll that is rolled up, for the heaven to be rolled away, that is, the Church shall be taken away. And the mountain and the islands removed from their places..."
It's sad to me, that so many Christians have no clue about this topic, and they ignore reality. Genesis 18 shows us a fundamental flaw in most views of Eschatology.
We know God's Judgment will come. But Abraham shows us why we cannot be here when it does.
23 And Abraham came near and said, “Would You also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Suppose there were fifty righteous within the city; would You also destroy the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous that were in it? 25 Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
26 So the Lord said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.”
John 3:36, Romans 5:8-9, 1 Thessalonians 5:8-11. All show us that by the blood of Jesus we are spared from the LORD's wrath. That despite the sins of Sodom the LORD would have spared it all for the sake of 10 righteous people. There weren't 10 righteous people so He removed them and then sent His Judgment.
There are Christians all over the world and for the Lord's Judgment to come, He will first have to remove the righteous.
My views aren't based on a denomination or because of an American view, it's because I have actually studied the topic. And reality right now is showing us. We see the world becoming more wicked, the world is on the verge of another world war right now, and the LORD's judgment will come soon, the question we have to ask is how will He deal with the righteous all over the world when His judgment comes over all the world? Simple John 14:1-6. He's been preparing for us a place in Heaven and will come and Harpazo us out of here before it does.
I hope this helps. Take care.
Stumbled upon this and it was fantastic! Well done. I saved for future use and appreciate all your hard work. Thank you!
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This video was so well thought through and structured. There was a lot to learn from this so I will have to watch it again soon. Whoever planned this and produced it should be congratulated!
Thank you!
@@ivanhoe7058 I'm thrilled to hear. The church website has my email and phone number. www.gospelutah.org
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I cant believe how convoluted Dispensationalism makes the Bible.
On purpose, confusion and feeling of being lost, thx John Darby et Al.
Great! Thank you for your faithful presentation of Biblical truth presented with humility and hope. It must have taken ages to produce this, but it was worth it!
Thank you!
Dispensationalism's weirdness kept me Catholic for two decades after realizing Rome was wrong on justification, primarily by convincing me that Protestantism was wrong on history and generally disrespectful to the glorious history and future of the Christian Church. Only the merest "accident" actually led to me studying Luther and Calvin directly. I ended up settling on Lutheranism, but am now a few years into that convinced that Luther is wrong on perseverance of the saints. I am forty. All of this could probably have happened in my twenties if my notion of Protestantism had not been "dispy mad lads."
God is gracious to give His people ears to hear the truth in a world screaming lies. Please check out our recent videos on Eastern Orthodoxy. I think you'll enjoy them.
@@ancientpathstv I will.
Fascinating how well this blends with the British Israelism roots of Pentecostalism and Charismaticism. I wonder how much geopolitical influence has fueled and fused these movements together🤔
This is so helpful imma cry. ✨ Praise The LORD for this.
A great and thorough video, thank you. This is good information when dealing with dispensational believers from many free christian and pentecostal backgrounds here in scandinavia. Best regards from a finnish confessional lutheran.
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Thank you for the attention to detail and perfect mix of historical and biblical refutation.
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Brilliant video brother ! This has given me such hope because it is the position I’ve argued for many mth against those of the Darby theology! I new I was correct and held to true doctrine ! Amen thank you Lord for leading me into all truth
Thank you for the kind encouragement!
Yeah, that was believable. 🤣
Incredible video once again! Thank you so much for putting so much time and effort into your content!
Thank you! I still remember when I discovered the history of this.
1 Hour and 12 min into this. Thank you thank you thank you. I knew something was wrong but this video has filled the gaps!
@ 1:21 : 20 Amen Amen Amen. Jesus / Yahshua is the true ISRAEL
This is a very well done presentation, thank you.
Christ has already won this battle field, He just hasn't cashed in the last day yet, because He loves us all and is RIGHTEOUS
Thank you for making this!!! Helped piece so many puzzle pieces together for me. ❤❤❤
Excellent work. I teach about some of this in my classes. Our textbooks treat the Anabaptists as only the receivers of persecution, but downplay the radicals. This is helpful.
You can easily get more information from the Anabaptist movement by going to Scroll Publishing, Sound Faith, or other Anabaptist UA-cam channels. Our movement is at least as old as the Protestants, and survived their efforts to annihilate us.
Thank you so much, this was fantastic!
Thank you for the kind encouragement! Please check out our other videos and help get the word out.
Dude. This video is phenomenal. Well done. And thank you
Thank you!
Thank you for your hard work in producing an incredible video!
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What a great lesson to have on Lord's Day 13! Thank you for all your labors of love ❤️
Thank you for making this. ☦️🏴
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This is incredible! I appreciate the referencing of MacArthur here because it’s very easy to dunk on Darby and to claim “progressive dispensationalism” is unrelated, but tying these two together is essential to converse with modern proponents of the view.
- followed MacArthur for years, bought his books. John is good at criticizing others. He's not good on Church history nor insightful about the Christian faith. John is good at turning Christianity into a club. I figured out there is no Grace to You in Grace Church. It's all works. I went to his website and looked up his definition of the Gospel, and then I put John aside and no longer follow him.
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As a Calvinist, he is outside the Christian Orthodoxy. If you believe Zion and the Church are the same, however, you need to read Paul's distinction between the two in Romans 11.
@@PETERJOHN101Calvinists are the same as the Reformers theologically. And same for the ancient Waldensians who are part of the Reformed theological tradition. Same with Augustine, Church Father. You have no history, no roots, you are the outlier, not "Calvinists". I'd question your own salvation, and we will rest in assurance of our own.
Excellent Documentary. And VERY timely! God bless you!
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I knew Calvin married an anabaptist widow, i did not know that he converted her first husband before he died. That was truly special to hear
Would it not be more accurate to say God converted the other guy and used John Calvin in the process?
@@samsdad110 yes, God converted Him Calvins preaching was the means
John Calvin was a murderer he had servetas burned at the stake are so many people get their theology from this murderous man
Thank you for the hard work on this. Excellent presentation.
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Oof MacArthur…this proves that for many eschatology is not a secondary issue
Excellent video that will require a few re-viewings. Follow the money donated to all U.S. dispensationalist seminaries, Dallas Theological being the largest benefactor by many millions, from the Jewish mysticism/Kabbalist crowd over at Chabad.
Dispensationalists' literalism is very selective. See, e.g., Rev. 1:1: "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants *the things that must soon take place."* Or 1:3: "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, *for the time is near."* Or 1:7: "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, *even those who pierced him,* and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him."
All of these point, at face value, to something that's happening very soon--within the lifetimes of those who crucified Jesus. And under the dispensational view, none of them has happened in almost 2000 years. There are surely ways of reading these verses that account for this, but they aren't literal--which means the true situation isn't, as they claim, "we take the Bible literally and you don't," but rather "we read these passages literally and interpret others in light of them, while you read different passages literally and interpret others in light of them."
Dispensationalists also argue that instead of a literal 490 years that there's a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel which is nowhere mentioned in the text.
@davidconwayjr.4655 the kingdom of Heaven was at hand. What happened?
Outstanding video. Deeply appreciate the attention to detail on your channel. God bless.
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Your videos are very helpful brother! Greetings from Europe!
That was wonderful thank you.
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The video helps explain why our Christian leaders are so impotent when it comes to addressing the cultural issues ripping our nation apart. They either do not know their church history or don't want to rock the boat in their churches by dealing with hard issues from a biblical perspective. Especially if they are close to retirement. Also, discussing Zionism is the third rail of destruction for pastors. In the mean time, the nation goes to hell in a handbasket and we important impotent dispensationalism to other nations which will corrupt them as well. no wonder God is judging our nation!
The only thing this video helps me see is that the one narrating it is a liar. Anabaptist have always been against all forms of violence and don't even believe in defending yourself or your family against an attack from someone. It was Martin Luther and John Calvin whose followers persecuted and took up arms against them and gave them the name in the first place as a slang term the way the Jews and Romans first called Christians the name as a derogatory term. This is not a documentary against but rather a documentary against the truth. There are plenty of good documentaries against dispensationalism that I agree with completely but this is completely Ludacris!
@@remnantreport8418 could you reccomend a good documentary on dispensationalism?
@@remnantreport8418you need to read some history not what others tell u
I am dispensationalist who is very fond of CI Scofield, Lewis Sperry Chafer (protégé of Scofield), & Charles F. Baker (protégé of Chafer). I appreciate your critiques, and also the work that has gone into such a historical investigation.
As I believe it is the scriptures that makes me a dispensationalist, it is also the scriptures, which bring me to correct the escapism and seclusion that John Nelson Darby promoted. As the catching up is imminent, I do not know if there is 100 more years, 1000 more years, 2000 more years, or two more years until Christ returns for his body. Therefore, I will adore and glorify the triune God, with all of my brethren, even those who are not dispensational. I also will seek to not allow Satan to overtake the realms of our society, but I will do what the Pauline revelation commands me to, and that is the proliferate all of life and society with the glory of God.
I'm thrilled to find faithfulness in this dark age, even if it seems a bit confused to me.
scofraud dumped his wife and kids and never gave them a penny of support even when his bible sold thousands of copies. this after he was "saved" in prison for swindling his mother in law out of her life savings and he never repaid her when he was wealthy. you get your doctrines from this heathen?
As much as I appreciate the hard work and research that has gone into this and will need to watch about 10x to take in all the information, please, please, please do not make us wait so long for the next video.
We'll try. 🙂
"The Son of Man will be handed out .." (Mk 8, 31) - this is the core message...
Thank you for your hard work and thorough presentation. May it further true unity among Christ's Church.
Great, complete presentation. The cherry picking the PreMilDisp must do in Scripture & Christian History, to prop up PMD is breath taking.
Thank you!
Thank you for these videos! God bless you friend, you have surely inspired me to study and defend the faith in like manner.
Thank you!
I went to many a dispensationalist church in my years. I left it (dispensationalism)before I knew what it was and it was due to my change in my escatological views. There are still dispy pastors I enjoy learning from that are otherwise solid. I love Johnny Mac but strongly disagree with him on End Times. Him, and others.
Working through this in amazement…
*_Manuel De Lacunza, S.J. (July 19, 1731 - c. June 18, 1801) was a Jesuit priest who used the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra in his main work on the interpretation of the prophecies of the Bible, which was entitled The Coming of the Messiah in Majesty and Glory. This is where Darby got many of his ideas._*
*_Edward Irving is the one who translated his writings into English, he also believed in a pre-trib rapture around the same time as Darby. He was another heretic who started the catholic apostolic church where the ecstatic tongue speaking came from, way before the Pentecostal movement._*
Thank you for your research.
I have added these two points which I researched as support.
If I am wrong in any details, please feel free to correct me.
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Thank you so much for this video. Could you make another one where you respond to all objection of rabbi tovia singer?
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Thank you! We're actually already working on one responding to Singer. 🙂
It will be an incredible day when the rapture happens prior to the final seven of Daniel, and everyone who rejected a dispensational understanding of God’s providential program will say, “Wow, what I failed to understand down there I now see on its amazing fullness up here!”
Until then, prayers and blessing on all true believers whether dispensational, covenantal, or carnal. Press hard into Christ and you will be held fast in the coming chaos of the season of judgement we are in.
Did you watch the video? You don't engage anything in it.
@@ancientpathstv watched enough.
@PD-iu did you get to the part about responding to Rabbi Singer’s argument regarding Matthew and Hosea? That for me (not from this video but before) is what helped cause me to reject pre-trib dispensation. Israel was the type and shadow for Jesus, and while I am a historic premillenialist, the Church and the “true Israel of God” are one and the same.
@@samueljennings4809 of course Israel was a type for Jesus.
So was Adam, Noah, the Ark, Abraham, Melchizedek, Issac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, the Exodus, the pillars of fire and smoke, the Rock in the wilderness, Joseph, David, the tabernacle, the temple, the Passover Lamb, etc.
Everything about Israel was designed by God to point to Jesus.
I bet we agree on that?
Where we differ is that you believe something to the effect that Jesus then supersedes all those things. So now faith in the antitype Jesus makes the faithful person part of the “type” Israel. Essentially that Jesus’ first coming was the fulfillment of the type.
Dispensationalism teaches that the fulfillment of the type will come on the millennial kingdom. That Jesus first coming only partially completed the picture.
And I would suggest that’s a super easy argument to make with only two examples.
David was a type for Jesus in that Jesus will one day physically rule and reign from Jerusalem.
That still needs to happen before all is fulfilled.
Second, of the myriad ways Israel is a type for Christ, one is the wilderness wandering. See, the generation of the children of Israel who were offered the promised land were disqualified from entering it due to their spiritual blindness. God would allow that entire generation to pass away and give entrance to the promised land to a new generation, one who’s leader led them in obedience.
This is a picture of Israel’s first rejection of their promised King, the disqualification of that generation to inherent the promised kingdom, and the future promise that a regathered generation of Jews WOULD inherit the kingdom.
The New Testament is a record ofIsrael’s promised King being offered and through Him the promised kingdom, how and why Israel was disqualified from inheriting the kingdom, God’s interim program of the church which is a betrothal (think the virgin Mary and Joseph) and the future culmination of the antitype when Christ returns to a faithful generation of Jews in Israel to establish the promised kingdom.
Simply put, I think you guys are right about the type/antitype but you’re mistaken in believing that it’s been completed.
Besides the Bible, is there a book that you would recomend i should read to help me understand all this further.
This was a fantastic documentary. I'm going to check out your other content.
I learned from dispensationalists to have the highest regard for God's word and the utmost importance of proper hermeneutics. That being said I never really studied the system in depth rather I just accepted it and absorbed it from my former pastor, my professors at bible college, and listening to preachers like MacArthur and pastors who taught at my school.
Since I began studying covenant theology and getting my theology in bounds with historic creeds and confessions I have been able to take the high regard for Scripture and its interpretation and apply that to a system which is more biblical and historical.
Thank you! Please be sure to check this out, as well. ua-cam.com/video/68x6p-x4hKA/v-deo.html
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So well done! You have increased my conviction confessional Protestantism is desperately needed to correct the course of the church, and my appreciation for what the Reformation has given to us all.
Thank you! We are the heirs of an unbelievable treasure, but we're tempted to exchange it for tinsel and glitter.
The version of the story that I read was that Constantine had his son executed because the step mother had persuaded Constantine that his eldest son, also a military commander, was plotting his overthrow. Later he learned that he had been deceived.
Yeah the fact he had her scalded to death in a bathhouse says to me he was decieved and in incalculable grief by Fausta. And he did not take her plotting well.
I am convinced that the heresy of Northern Finneyites led directly to the death of the Civil War and the disorder and anarchy of Reconstruction. Could have been handled much better without those fools on the scene.
Subbed. Excellent presentation good sir n brother in Christ 😊
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I think this is well made for a documentary ✨✨ would recommend to anyone
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@@ancientpathstv no wonder it was informative, you are a Presbyterian. I commented before it ended. 🫡 Would follow your content from now on.
Best video ever made.
Overall a lot of historical and scriptural insight that was very useful. I think you also should've mentioned Manuel Lacunza's writings and how Edward Irving based his theology off of that
Dispensationalists actually love to debate that, because they can muddy the waters with counter-claims. I prefer to keep things simple and harder to refute.
Singer was being quite disingenuous in skipping over Isaiah 42, where Israel is called a failed servant and and it talks about a coming faithful servant, that is, the suffering servant found in chapter 53.
I can't commend you enough on this video, and all your videos. Praise our Lord!
Thank you!
Wow...awesome vid. I have a book I absolutely know you'd love. After leaving twenty years of dispensationalism, God revealed to me starting ten years ago, the things you mention here and other nuggets I think you'd greatly appreciate.
It's funny how God seems to be revealing contradictory and mutually exclusive things to people all the time. At least that's the impression I get from reading UA-cam comments.
@sorenpx I'm sure some are truly from God, and some aren't. ;)
I‘m pretty sure nothing new is revealed, because that would be a adding to scripture. If anything, our biblical blinders get taken off.
@@frizzyrascal1493 Amen and that is what I mean
This is an awesome video.
As I recall, Jesus told his disciples to leave one city and move onto the next as persecution increased. Eventually many of them were executed and martyred, but fleeing an area and setting up roots elsewhere was by no means a "wrong" answer either. Denying Christ and becoming like the pagans is one thing, but leaving and going to a new region where persecution was less is by no means a bad thing. Jesus literally told the Christians living in Jerusalem and the surrounding areas to flee when the Romans came. And they did just that, fulfilling Jesus's warning.
"Refusing remarriage for widows"
Ugh of course. That's such a ludicrous addition as well. The Apostle Paul literally says that the younger widows should remarry. It wasn't even wrong for the older widows to remarry should they wish, but it wasn't quite as important as younger widows who still had plenty of time to build a family.
Ah now we're defending Calvanism as well. Lovely. I knew it was coming, though, after some of the dialogue earlier.
I disagree with Darby, but I also understand where he was coming from. The church became so divided over the years over there many different interpretations that he basically lost any and all hope that God's church had succeeded.
Well done. Thank you.
This is documentary was needed. It will be great to add subtitles in other languages like Spanish, where much of dispensationalism is at. Maybe dubbing it in Spanish and other languages in the future could be helpful for the kingdom.
Great video! Very informative and helpful. As a Reformed Postmillennial, over-against the liberal version of Charles Finney, I found myself heartily agreeing with your interpretations and conclusions of what we should be doing. Keep on bringing sanity into the mess of confusion around us, brothers!
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Dispys actually LOVE the illustration of the Olive Tree and grafting in, but they also misinterpret it so much. Their system is less like grafting, and more like God switching to another tree before it dies out and he returns to the first tree. And yet they're the ones accusing people of "replacement theology," they can't even coherently express other views without applying their own lens to it.
Excellent video! Thank you.
Though I would say that the part at the end with hades/sheol is not clear cut. Of course saints today don't go there. But a case can be made that before Christ's death, people would go to that intermediate place, and that Christ went there to bring them up. That would make Moses, Enoch, and Elijah specific cases (maybe others).
I don't think we can reject that out of hand.
I agree. I was trying to keep things simple and under two hours, so I didn't engage the issue of an intermediate state before Christ's resurrection, but kept the focus on the Premillennialists advocating for it afterwards. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv you're right, documentary was excellent. Learned a lot of new things.I especially enjoyed the last part with the biblical response to some of premil's claims. It was amazing.
Thank you for this work!
Thank you!
The problem in the Church today is the blind following of previous theologians. I have the choice as a Christian to attend a church that follows the teaching of John Calvin or follow the Darby(ism) or the teaching of CI Scofield. So, most of us are stuck and glad to find a pastor who is saved by Grace and follows the Holy Spirit and his bible to teach his flock.
I don't blindly follow any theologian, but if I can't find a faithful saint who's read the Bible the same way I do, I'm probably wrong.
@@ancientpathstv - good come back! I enjoyed your presentation!
@@matthewj2492 Thank you!
Clearly a labor of love that is both compelling and convicting. It is also erudite in its comprehensive scope and in its wide array of sources, from Dave Hunt to Tovia Singer (talk about strange bedfellows!)! I am like other posters who admired the Anabaptists uncritically, having seen the movie The Radicals about Michael Sattler and having read some of The Martyrs' Mirror. I was shocked that Christians embraced and lionized the psychopathic mass murderer John Brown! I learned a lot of history and had my presuppositions challenged. I appreciate your investment of research and time, Pastor Wallace. Blessings!
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But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2Cor 11:3. Very good presentation of the simplicity of the Gospel.
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Thank you for this excellent documentary! It is clear that in Church history many movements have arisen to deny or modify or impose some variation to the Word of God.
It is concerning to me, especially since dispensationalism is still the prevalent view of believers in today's American evangelicalism, that the subtleties and the more obvious incongruencies remain unexplained and largely glossed over by prominent dispensationalists. Also concerning to me is the persistent influences of dispensationalism in weird and unbiblical practices. Would it be too unkind to call this movement a heresy? This is a sincere question. I am not persuaded that it is not.
Thank you for the kind note. Dispensationalism is clearly a serious error, but I wouldn't call it a heresy. I personally try to avoid such labels; they tend to shut down communication. My conviction is that if I speak the truth in love, those with ears to hear will receive it.
@@ancientpathstv Thank you for your reply. When the Lord saved me, I entered the Church in one of the Assemblies of God most prominent congregations in my area. Dispensationalism was the view point I embraced because there were no presentations or mentions in the church about the Amil or Postmil view, and even the Premil view was distinguished from the firmly held dispensational position. I basically knew next to nothing about these things, even though I read the Bible. I now see that the issue of dividing the Word of God as per JN Darby was the way the Bible was taught. I also was ignorant of other doctrines of the Bible and didn't have an appreciation for the issues that brought forth the Reformation. So I was in the dark about many things. I wish I would have heard about the origins of dispensationalism sooner, but as it is I thank the Lord that He brought my family out of that teaching. Heresy is a more technical term, and its definition points to unorthodoxy upending much of what was arrived at over centuries. But I do see that if that word were to be used to describe the origins of that viewpoint, many would think that the word is being applied to individuals even to include the motives of their heart. Sad that in today's conversations a believer can't in many occasions be precise with language without something bad ensuing.
Thank you again for your research and documentary. Many blessings!
@@KalliBella1 You might also enjoy this. ua-cam.com/video/W5UTAtDl0cE/v-deo.html
@@ancientpathstv Thank you! I will watch. Many blessings! :)
Could you please do a video dealing with Wesley’s statements in “The Wisdom of God’s Counsels” on Montanus and Pelagius, calling them holy men of their times? Also his statement that “Christianity and Heathenism are so throughly incorporated with each other that they will hardly ever be divided till Christ comes to reign upon earth” in his writing “Of Former Things.” I have a rather charitable view of Wesley and the Methodist tradition, but find both these statements to be rather troubling, particularly the first.
It's on the list, but there are so many heresies and so little time. 🙂
Jesus dying on the cross was the greatest win.
Outstanding!
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Well done brother.
Thank you!
Love this lecture, could you please provide sources for the things that you are saying?
Thank you! The sources are all cited in the video. Is there one missing?
I just wish you had titled each speaker. I think I recognized Dave Hunt, but was Paige Patterson in there toward the beginning? I kept hoping for the name to pop up
That was Dave Hunt. Paige Patterson was the one saying the Edict of Milan was the "worst thing that ever happened to the church of the living God."
The mess created by the Brethren. The JWs .. adventists all these apocalyptic sects..birds of a feather.
Excellent video, though some of the sources present a skewed picture. In particular, Wesley's letter cannot be understood without understanding the Moravian view of assurance. Wesley agreed with the historic view of justification, but was under the belief that any doubts present meant that one had not achieved justification. So his letters are not what they immediately appear to be without context, instead being products of his conscientiousness not unbelief.
THANK YOU for this exceptional teaching video! (1:38:40 actually the verse reads "wolf will lie down with the lamb")
I was quoting others. Most misquote it. 🙂
Read Revelation; Jesus conqueors not the Church.
I've read Revelation. Did you watch the whole video? Jesus is reigning right now. The stone cut without hands is growing and filling the earth. You can hate Christ's church and insist it must fail, but you won't find support in God's Word.
This is very good! Growing up in a Covenant-theology preaching Presbyterianism, I became fascinated by dispensationalism a few years ago in college when I wanted to figure out why my beliefs on eschatology, sacraments, and baptism were so much different from my friends, who claimed to be reformed but seemed a far cry away from what I knew to be reformed. The rabbit hole just got deeper and deeper - it really impacts so much. Reading the Church Fathers cemented things for me. And led me to Orthodoxy 😅. My husband and I are pretty definitely going to become catechumens soon. Haha! Funny how things go, I feel like I can somewhat attribute learning about the covenantalism/dispensationalism split as an instigating factor.
Going to view your video on Orthodoxy shortly! I’ve been seeking a refutation of it from a Reformed perspective for a while.
Thank you for the compliment. We actually have two videos on Eastern Orthodoxy. Please watch them both and feel free to contact me through the church website. Like Dispensationalism, Eastern Orthodoxy can sound good, until the whole story is told.
Sadly, many "Covenant-theology preaching Presbyterian" churches have forgotten a lot of what the Reformation was about. Our faith isn't an historic novelty. We stand with Athanasius and Jerome on the Old Testament canon. We stand with the Synod of Elvira and Council of Hieria on icons. We stand with Tertullian on the perpetual virginity of Mary. We stand with the Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus on penal substitutionary atonement. Eastern Orthodoxy disagrees with us and these fathers and councils on all these.
The simple reality is that church fathers and even supposedly ecumenical councils have contradicted one another. The question becomes what standard do we use to know the truth. Our ultimate authority is the written testimony of the apostles, while theirs is an oral tradition that contradicts itself and the Scriptures.
Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
@@JRRodriguez-nu7po Dr. MacArthur has repeatedly identified himself with "the Anabaptists," without qualification. It's not slander to demonstrate what the Anabaptists actually believed, and the video includes not just Munster revolutionaries, but also the pacifist Swiss Brethren.
You call me your brother, but also say your an Orthodox catechumen. That church anathematizes me and calls for me to be "unforgiven in this life and next," so you might want to reconsider your definition of "arrogance."
Josiah Trenham excused his apostasy by the growing liberalism of the PCA, but as demonstrated in our videos, he exchanged new lies for old. The answer to the PCA's problems is Biblical reformation and discipline, not the schism of Dispensationalism, nor the heresy of Eastern Orthodoxy. Unlike both groups, we have no fear of letting all the facts be seen. I encourage you to watch both our Eastern Orthodox videos and try to answer them with more than the bluster that's characterized its critics so far. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Sorry, I confused your comments with the original comment from an Orthodox catechumen.
Wow! So Wesley was an unbeliever? I never would have known that before this video.
Great video. I agree with Justin Martyr, I'm pre-millennial but there are godly Christians on both sides. Here's what I would affirm even as a Dispensationalist: there is only one people of God, those who are saved by grace through faith, and this has always been the way of salvation. The Church is not plan B in God's system any more than Adam and Eve sinning was plan B. God has always been bringing about the culmination of history. Christ could come back today or in 1000 years, we do not set dates for Christ's coming. While I do think the mystery of the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body) started at Pentecost, the Church is clearly a participant in the New Covenant, promises made to the house of Israel. We are graciously grafted into the tree of God's blessing, and this is always what God intended, since the Abrahamic Covenant was for blessing upon all nations. Jesus of course is the fulfillment of what Israel was supposed to be, Matthew portrays Christ as the culmination of what Israel, God's firstborn son, was supposed to be. The Bible should be interpreted naturally, not literalistically. Matthew in his OT quotes uses prophecy in literal fulfillment, applicational, summary and typological.
Imminentism can be conspiratorial, but so too theonomism is flawed. The Church is guaranteed to prevail, this means she has not nor will fail, there will be Tribulation which will be endured, but Christ will slay the opposer with the breath of His coming.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve… Will Christ be conducting funeral services for mortals killed in accidents 500 years after His Second Coming?
The “first resurrection” in Rev. chapter 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation, because the two witnesses are resurrected from the dead in chapter 11. There are two different types of resurrection in John chapter 5. There is a spiritual resurrection from the dead in John 5:24, and a bodily resurrection from the dead in John 5:28-29.
Does your view of the Millennium agree with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord? The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing? The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
Does your view agree with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage? There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Does your view agree with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time? Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
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Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
@@SpotterVideo I understand that you think you are presenting questions that I can't answer, but please understand that there are of course answers. I could go through and give you some of these answers, and part of it is simply that you seem to be putting events together as if they have to be referring to the same event--which of course they do not. We can put the pieces together and see a Rapture and 2nd coming and fit the biblical data into these events. I agree that there can be some recapitulation in Rev, certainly the seals, trumpets, bowls and thunders seem to portray climactic intensifying events that could be occurring simultaneously. But this doesn't mean that all of Rev. is in cycles.
If you'd like to dialogue we can do so, but I'm not sure you'd really benefit if I just listed 50 answers to your questions. That doesn't seem to be what you're really asking.
@@konroh2 I used to be a Premillennialist. However, the other passages in the puzzle above revealed to me that the doctrine could not be correct. It was not easy, but I had to admit that I had been wrong in my interpretation. Either the Premill doctrine is wrong, or Jesus, and John, and Paul, and Peter, and Jude, were wrong in the other passages. Once I came to understand the fact that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order and saw the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others in Rev. 11:15-18, my Premill doctrine fell apart. Why? You cannot have a time of the judgment of the dead without a resurrection of the dead. The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible, because there is no 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation.
@@SpotterVideo We all have presuppositions, what we try to do is let the text speak. Even if Rev. isn't chronological Rev. 11 speaks of a climactic judgment, that God is judge both of the dead and living. It's normal to see that this climactic battle isn't just about people alive on earth, but is the culmination of history, therefore it foreshadows God judging both living and dead. We have this climactic statement in the center of Rev. since that's really the theme of the book. But this doesn't destroy Pre-mill, since climactic statements are often depicted anachronically, look at every OT prophet who pictured both Christ's Advent and Coming as one event. Yet clearly the climactic statements don't dismiss a diachronic approach.
And the 7th trumpet of Rev. is a picture of the 7 trumpet judgments, we actually do have further judgments in the bowls and the unknown thunders. When 1 Cor. 15 says "last trump" this is a common idea of climax, in fact the Greek word for last is eschaton, it's the last days trumpet. The fact that it depicts the Rapture doesn't preclude that there are 7 trumpets of judgment after that.
And actually the idea of the sounding of a trumpet is both judgment and joyous, will we not have a trumpet at the 2nd coming? Will there not be joyful trumpets at the Marriage Supper of the Lamp. It's simply a figure of speech for joy and/or judgment.
I can understand that it's complex to put the pieces together. For me Pre-mill holds the cannot-be-denied statements about a literal messianic reign of Christ on earth in a geo-political and military way to be true. And everyone else has to "spiritualize" these very real statements. The hope of history is that it will be culminated by Christ. He will reign, every person will be without excuse. He will fulfill history, and then triumph over Satan and death and then bring in a new heaven and earth. It's a beautiful thing.
@@konroh2 What city is now the Holy City that is our future Home? (Two Jerusalems?)
Rev 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Where was Jesus crucified?)
Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children-
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland.
Heb 11:15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Mt. Sinai)
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
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Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship God in the passage below?
Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship."
Joh 4:21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
(See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10, where Paul describes Christ returning “in flaming fire” taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel.)
extremely helpful!
Could you please name some of your literary sources, so I can read further?
The Bible
Fantastic overview. Thanks.
1:18:23 has some awesome information. Over all very interesting.
Fantastic!
Well done. Very good documentary
As many have said already excellent documentary.
Not sure if you are aware but there is this thing called the Mandela effect, whereby some believe that somethings have been changed because of CERN experiments, so that even phrases in the bible have been changed. One of those phrases is; the lion shall lay down with the lamb, Isaiah 11:6, but it is not lion it is wolf. Which you too misquote at 138:49 of video.
Isaiah 11:6
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."
Not that I buy into such nonsense, but it is certainly a well establish misquote and interesting to see how common it is. I also noticed you didn't list the scripture when you were saying it.
Once again very good work putting all this information together. It was quite depressing to see how many have time the world has used the church to prop up some worldly agenda, or the "church" has been deceived thinking they can be literally perfect as Messiah is.
This Mandela Effect is actually deliberate. That's thanks to the British aristocracy's enlightenment OBSESSION with Israelism by men like Isaac Newton; AND the myth that they Brits are descended from the lost Tribe of Ephraim, AND their Glastonbury - Arthurian legends. Thus...a misreading of scripture has been popularized as 'the lion (Britain) lays down with the lamb, (modern Israel)' restoring and protecting Israel. All propaganda that created Balfour etc.