Zillion is a must have reel. You don’t need anything or experience to pitch a lure accurately, cast a lure far, skip it perfectly just with a simple dial of the brake. No more spool tension adjustments anymore. It is so versatile. One rod one reel fishing, this what you need.
That's one thing the video definitely showed, which is easier to brake adjust. The Zillion can long cast and quickly adjust the brakes for skipping. While the Bantam and Met can be a bit bothersome. Then there's the possibility of dropping the side plate which is going to happen.
@@findingthetrackway4875 Adjusting the Bantams is not bothersome at all. Once you have picked out how many brake arms you want to use, external dial is all you need.
I really enjoy the casting distance videos. The comparisons are very interesting. I am an old timer and I find your casting technique different than mine. Your are able to achieve much greater casting distances than I am able to achieve. I come from the days of Garcia 5500c round bait casters. I would set the spool tension to a slow drop of the bait in free spool, then cast. I am dragging my thumb on the spool as the cast is being thrown. My thumb is constantly monitoring the backlash and fluff of the line as it exits the reel. I watch you set the magnetic brakes then cast and completely remove your thumb from the spool. I just have a hard time doing this. The results are your getting an extra 10-15 yards per cast. I need to improve my casting with these new reels.
I'm a Big Shimano guy but I recently picked up a Daiwa Zillion and although they may not cast as far as most of my Shimano's, they're very user friendly and are great for anyone from a novice to a pro to throw without backlash. Mine only took 5 minutes to set up and I was casting a very good functional distance without problem.
Hell yeahh 😍 nice vid man,big fan from malaysia, Im all into magnetic system now, even my old Aldebaran MG7 uses Zpi Bfc spool with magnetic braking hub👍
In Europe current metanium and bantam are 150 size, metanium dc - 100. As for line, 40lbs and 0.3mm - on the cheap and thicker side. If you need this much pounds, go for a more decent line (for example daiwa x8 grand 43lbs and 0.22mm)
Interesting results, I have both the new JDM zillion and bantam. And I found that the zillion was much more controled and further casting with 16 lb fluorocarbon. Have not used braid on either reel yet.
I have the same reels as well and distance wise the bantam blows my zillion out of the water and does it with much less force in the cast. Control wise they are close when casting short distances but when you get past 50 feet or so, the zillion becomes a handful and my bantam just does it so effortlessly. The problem I have with my zillion is similar to his problem. When I try to cast with any real distance with my zillion, I'm constantly going between blow ups every other cast or going another step down on the brake setting and getting a controlled cast with considerable less distance. So I've stuck to just pitching and flipping only with my zillion and maybe some intermediate casting here and there. But the bantam is just an all around great performer. And the infinity drive for me is absolutely a difference maker. But I did not notice it until I was reeling in decent fish. When it's under heavy load, you can really tell the ease and smoothness of the infinity drive vs my 2018 bantam that does not have it.
@@caseydangar4414 I don't know What to say there partner. I'm not a fanboy of either company. I own more shimano's then any other reel. But for some reason those are just my results pairing these two together. What are your break settings. Maybe that's the difference maybe it's just a fisherman
If you increase the spool tension on the Daiwa you can reduce the casting break to 1-2 and cast longer with better line control. I do it with alle my Daiwa reels. And I the very best Daiwa reels…
With some magforce Z with certain lures yes, more spool tension with less brake can gain you a few more feet. But with SV you need the spool tension as loose as possible
That's exactly what I did with my Zillion. I increased spool tension and run the break at 4 and have plenty of functional casting distance and haven't had one blowup.
im using 0.11-0.13mm 8string braid för lures that weighs abut 14grams. 0.32mm is when i am fishing for pike, casting lures that weighs 50-120grams. so maybe a bit on the thick side.
If they were the same price, I would've bought a Metanium over the Zillion. But the Zillion is cheaper to begin with and I found an open box (new reel) for 195. I can't pick a Metanium for 250-300 more dollars. It just wouldn't sit well. Not to mention, I don't know if I fish enough to justify a 425-500 dollar reel. I was gonna settle with a Tatula or a SLX. Probably the SLX. But for 170 off because a box was opened I had to go with the Zillion. Either way, this comparison makes me happy. I'm sure the reel will cast further than my Calcutta 100 92, my Abu Garcia 5600, or my really old Daiwa MA15G Magforce reels. In case anyone is wondering, I've done 99% of my fishing with my spinning reels. That said, the supposed ease of the Zillion should suit me well.
Looking forward to the Daiwa boost battle. 😊 I would be surprised if a daiwa won over shimano here 🤗 What fish species require 40 lbs of braid? In Denmark, I would only use it for 10 kilos pike and a size 300 reel 😉 I’m a Daiwa fanboy. I watch all your videos hoping a daiwa some day will be praised. 😊 (I am also i reeltest fan)
I have nothing against Daiwa, they make some great reels, and Ive never once said any specific Daiwa reel was garbage. I do however love butt triggering their fanboys with truth lol
After handling all three I believe the metamians definitely the smallest palms the smallest anyway the Bantam is next then the zillion they all come pretty comfortably but the phantom in my opinion palms better it's just a heavier reel is all
I think I compare them size wise in this video ua-cam.com/video/VohwwAa3Y6o/v-deo.html The metanium feels slightly longer due to the bigger top front section of the frame
@@THEREELTEST no. Sorry, that's not light. Inshore on casting reels we use 20-30lb. Bass, only time there's something over 30lb is when frogging or doing something really close where aren't casting for distance.
No that braid is not normal. We run 20lbs 832, slick8 or x8 jbraid for long casting applications. For bass guy with heavy cover, they run 65lbs, but they are not needing to throw super long distance normally.
Thats pretty much overkill braid for those reels. I'd go 0.14-0.16 braid on those. I don't even use 0.3 on my heaviest Pike reels anymore as something like 0.25 can handle any pike out there.
After your last video on the New Bantam i went out and bought it, put 20# braided line and that thing would send it, i didn't measure distance with a she dog but my arm felt it later, 1/8 oz jig head with a mirrolure Little John - well lets just say im Very Pleased with the reel, im using it on the Galvest Texas Bay Area, lets see how durable it is with saltwater, Great Video 👊👍
I fish the same water as you and I got rid of my metaniums and bantam. The metaniums especially, I found them too finicky if trying to get the best cast out of them. Very smooth bringing in a fish though. I honestly find the curadp 150 mgl a better reel for our waters over the metanium. My zillion sitting on top of a Laguna Trident is the ticket though. Casts a mile, smooth retrieve, light enough, and all around great. I also love using the Alderberan and custom lite. Both are great for our coast.
I can tell you that the Metanium will out cast all of them. I use one of my Metaniums for frogs and it absolutely bombs them with 65lb power pro maxquatro braid.
I purchased the 23' Met. 100 and although it's a really sweet reel, the spool is a little deeper than the 2020 JDM Met. but not as deep as the U.S. 150 Met.
I'm looking forward to the 2023 releases. Would be so excited to see a new Aldebaran MGL (30-70 size), maybe a new Conquest BFS. Interested in what Daiwa brings too, just no clue for them yet.
@@oslo7457 Steez A 2 is such an old frame to be using in 2023. It is essentially a Steez A with the new Zillion's gears and cosmetic changes. Everyone hoped they would build an aluminum Steez CT frame, for a Steez A CT. Would love to see a new Conquest BFS.
I have all these. But I’m not going to fish with Zillion sv when I need to bomb cast heavy swim bait/chatter baits. It’s gonna damage the plastic foot inside the sv spoon. So for heavy stuff, give it to Batam, curado etc. SV and dc reels are perfect for skipping lures and use for windy conditions.
To use Power Pro V2 as an example, 40 lb is .32 mm. According to the Shimano catalog, the Metanium and the Bantam A should both hold 105 yds. I don't think you casted 105 yds. Either way, they should've both had the same amount of line on them.
Remember that when brands say it holds 105 yards, that's when you put wet braid in it and with a really nice amount of tension. After changing braid/mono on more than 50 different reels since I work in a tackle store I can definitely say he probably had 80-90 yards in the reel if he spooled it dry and with fair tension, and not 105 yards.
@@THEREELTEST went fishing at night to try out for snake head with the bantam mgl. -.- was getting confused how to set it... had 3 brake on ... max dial using lure 15g-28g , line still blow up hahaha.... Line was ygk Xbraid x8 25lb ............. think it like 0.18mm ...............kinda thin........... it bloom out each time.. maybe i need thickerlines haha
pe 1.5# or 2# is more than enough for freshwater fishing and can handle up to 30 grams lure easily, except you targeting big snakehead a.k.a toman or big mama barra
I measured them form the cast control knob to the side plate and the difference between the two is negligable. Height is negligable as well. The outer casing of the Bantam looks thicker. The two palm very similar as well. The Bantam feels similar to the metanium 2020 and no where near as bad as the giant silver brick aka the 2021 Antares DC
Yeah the zillion is the biggest the Bantam would be next and I considered the matanium to Palm the smallest but in all honesty the Bantam is the most comfortable to Palm the only downsides to that real is how heavy it is how heavy it is
@@jimt5683 in my opinion, the rod plays a big part of the equation. I have a rod that neither my Met B or Zillion feels all that great on. However, put a Curado DC on and it's like hearing Angels sing. I was wondering if the Bantam sat differently, or was a little shorter before buying for this particular setup.
Well I haven't had the scorpion 70 but I'm assuming that is the same frame as the curado BFS and nothing palms as small as that real but the zillion definitely is comfortable to Palm but does still feel a touch on the big side compared to these small reels the metanium is probably the closest to the corrado BFS but in my opinion The phantom palms slightly bigger than the metamian but it's a more comfortable call me feel overall it kind of like has a spot for your thumb to set instead of your thumb just up being on top of the real
This guy doesn’t know how to set a zillion correctly so this test is irrelevant to me. I’ve never had my JDM zillion 21 left brake above lvl 5 or 6 MAXX. Mine usually stays on lvl 3-4 with VERY CONTROLLED LONG CASTING. This guy hates on “Daiwa fanboys” but doesn’t realize he sounds like a fanboy himself lol..
USA fishing line measurement vary from manufacturers. That said the actual break strength and stated diameter on the box/website may vary too. Most lines are stronger (actual break, without knot factor) and thicker than stated. Pretty much you got do your own tests and find what fishing line works for you, which is stupid. That braid seems thicker and more in line with 50lb braid. I personally run 50lb PowerPro Maxcuatro and it seems more like 30lb line diameter comparing vs other brands and have enough line to bomb most frogs without spooling out. This is the only line in my experience that has the stated strength, yet it's thinner than what it claims.
Hello! As a reel maniac with most focus on max casing distance, you should get the exence dc 2017, steez hlc tw and the old daiwa z2020. This three reels could challenge all your reels in distance! Also, isnt the metanium 20 available with 150 capacity?
We mostly talk about diameter here, not about lb but in general for bfs we use braid 0,10mm and under, for 1/2 oz to 1oz lures something between 0,12 and 0,15 and braid like you have used in the video we use typically for heavy pike fishing with lures around 3 - 4 oz. Regarding line break i never had issues with that. But i have to say that super heavy cover would be an exception to this of course. Cheers!
I own many shimanos from core to chronarchs (pre mgl) to metaniums (13 n 20) to conquests (2014)...n my 18 bantam is the worst caster from my bunch... Nice to know that the new bantam is much better... Will have to sell my 18 bantam n upgrade it bc I only use it now to pitch jigs bc it's such a terrible caster IMO..metaniums are the best that I have and used.
I mean... for a Shimano MGL it may not be on par with some of the others, but against any Daiwa, Id give the advantage to the 18 Bantam. If I didnt take the extra effort to extract the extra distance on the Zillion I would have gotten beat by about 15 feet
I use pe1.5 (30 lbs) major craft dangan braid (jam) on my Antares I can fit the whole 300 meters on with braid I’ve found that it expensive to find the thin braids that we need for the long cast and powerful fish fights in the salt water that I fish
@@THEREELTEST yea I completely understand mate braid can get crazy expensive but worth it on your favorite combo. Majorcraft dangan and momoi lure cast are both excellent but I now lean towards the majorcraft as it’s cheaper.
I had the MGL 150 out today to do battle with several other $200 reels and It would be the perfect reel if the color scheme wasnt so dull! So I was contemplating the Tranx 150 lol. So who knows, I may get it
@@THEREELTEST yeah the MGL casts awesome and is a great reel, just wonder if the 150 tranx compares in casting distance, the tranx is better looking and also saltwater approved
I'm actually really curious. Is the cast distance what makes it better? I mean like bfs reels the distance doesn't matter but the lure control and capability of throwing things below 3grams does. I'm really kinda confused of what makes a far more expensive reel more worth it performance wise than a cheaper variant like for example metanium vs curado aside from build quality or material.
You’ll be surprised. It’s not just cast ability your paying for. You get lightweight #1 #2 you get LINE CONTROL 3# plus an excellent drag = equals less downtime and more fish time=More fish.
And I’ll tell you why the Daiwa will lose. Every time. Because of their service dept. they are liars and thieves. And will gladly steal from your grandma
Think it is going to be the bantam, as my zillion outcasts the scorpion DC (not by much but definetly noticeable. Maybe around 3-5m with 1/2oz Spinnerbaits on a MH rod). As the bantam at least here casts further than the zillion it should definetly cast further than the scorpion as well.
I can attest to the bantam casting further than the 21 scorpion dc. The 21 scorpion dc has a really heavy braking profile compared to other earlier versions of the scorpion dc so it's not a monster caster distance wise in my opinion. But its a very controlled caster. Its a dream to fish with when extreme distance isn't needed
If distance and a smaller form is your highest need, the Bantam is your choice. If it’s the ability to throw various lure weights with little to no adjustments and a more haste free experience in windy conditions, choose the scorpion DC.
I mean, what does bias have to do with one reel clearly outcasting another and proving it on video? And yes I prefer Shimanos over Daiwa for many reasons but one is that they cast farther
@@THEREELTEST okay to say “fanboys” is a stretch dude first of all there is a lot more people that either know of shimano or are fans of shimano lol you’re like talking shit without blatantly saying it. And on top of that a lot more people probably know of shimano, people that aren’t even really into fishing even know about shimano dude if anything shimano and Daiwa would be like direct comparison of Apple and Samsung as rivals (apple=shimano. Daiwa=Samsung) but regardless they both catch fish and both do their job really fucking well. I love both company’s equally and there are alot of Daiwa reels that are better than some shimano reels just as there is alot of shimanos better than Daiwas but I will give shimano one thing their $300-500 dollar range reels usually tend to be better in my opinion and also Diawas braking system is a lot more friendly as the mag force is more heavy on braking than the SVS infinity but the SVS infinity system is more of a free spool experience as you only tighten tension knobs to minimize side to side play both have advantages and usually the magforce allows for more consistent casting but the SVS does allow for more distance which is really good for bottom working baits when you really need that long cast but, I prefer daiwas for power fishing as I feel like mostly i almost never backlash working a square bill or chatterbait working docks or shell beds power fishing. But my point is just as you have different rods for different techniques and reels, different company’s do different techniques better than the other where the other doesn’t excel as well.
Why would anyone buy USDM version of Shimano reel? The Met cost you less than 250 usd with shipping in Japan You pay 100 usd for a one year warrenty ? What a deal.....
Have you checked out the new lew’s pro ti & elite ti? I know shimano is your bread & butter but I was looking & no one is really comparing these 2 new reels to reels like the metanium. As detailed as you are I know it’d be a really fair & detailed comparison
I believe them to be gimmicks. I picked up the new pro ti and does nothing new or better than any tournament pro I own. I fish inshore, not bass. I use tournament pros, custom pros and custom lites. Lews palms great but I'm going back to using my Diawas and shimanos. Lews has been a disappointment lately.
We can all tell you do not know how to set the brakes and tension knobs properly on Daiwas. I have both Metanium and Zillions. Amongst many others from both brands, and I promise you my Zillion casts farther than my Metanium. It's also a smoother retrieve and better drag as well.
Who is "we"? Setting brakes on Daiwas isnt hard, its made for simpletons. I can tell that YOU dont know how to set up Shimanos. I promise you that I dont care about your claims about your zillion casting farther than Metaniums, I PROVE that to be false.
For the record, the USDM Metanium has a 150 capacity spool.
Zillion is a must have reel. You don’t need anything or experience to pitch a lure accurately, cast a lure far, skip it perfectly just with a simple dial of the brake. No more spool tension adjustments anymore. It is so versatile. One rod one reel fishing, this what you need.
That's one thing the video definitely showed, which is easier to brake adjust. The Zillion can long cast and quickly adjust the brakes for skipping. While the Bantam and Met can be a bit bothersome. Then there's the possibility of dropping the side plate which is going to happen.
The Metanium pitches better than the Zillion. Much flatter trajectory and distance with less effort
@@findingthetrackway4875 Adjusting the Bantams is not bothersome at all. Once you have picked out how many brake arms you want to use, external dial is all you need.
@@THEREELTEST riiight.. lol
But,zillion gear still aluminium,not so good for a heavy game..but its ok la,for 3-5 KG fish..use your rod power,not your gear power..
I for one would be stoked if Shimano decided to make a 200 or 300 size reel on the new Bantam architecture. It’d make for one hell of a swimbait reel.
Agreed
Tranx…
@@alexhuf76 Tranx is missing the infinitydrive, that alone is the biggest difference I felt after switching to the Bantam from the SLX and Curado.
I really enjoy the casting distance videos. The comparisons are very interesting. I am an old timer and I find your casting technique different than mine. Your are able to achieve much greater casting distances than I am able to achieve. I come from the days of Garcia 5500c round bait casters. I would set the spool tension to a slow drop of the bait in free spool, then cast. I am dragging my thumb on the spool as the cast is being thrown. My thumb is constantly monitoring the backlash and fluff of the line as it exits the reel. I watch you set the magnetic brakes then cast and completely remove your thumb from the spool. I just have a hard time doing this. The results are your getting an extra 10-15 yards per cast. I need to improve my casting with these new reels.
I am from the same era. These new low profiles are incredible. Worth the investment. The lack of weight is what i appreciate most.
I'm a Big Shimano guy but I recently picked up a Daiwa Zillion and although they may not cast as far as most of my Shimano's, they're very user friendly and are great for anyone from a novice to a pro to throw without backlash. Mine only took 5 minutes to set up and I was casting a very good functional distance without problem.
Will you do a "best reels/rods of 2022" in Japan again?
as soon as that Japanese magazine releases the article lol
Hell yeahh 😍 nice vid man,big fan from malaysia, Im all into magnetic system now, even my old Aldebaran MG7 uses Zpi Bfc spool with magnetic braking hub👍
In Europe current metanium and bantam are 150 size, metanium dc - 100.
As for line, 40lbs and 0.3mm - on the cheap and thicker side. If you need this much pounds, go for a more decent line (for example daiwa x8 grand 43lbs and 0.22mm)
I knew when I read the thumbnail that there be some catch in which the Zillion's "win" would be undermined or discredited...
This guy is such a bias clown lol. He’s the fanboy 🤣
does this make you mad? lol
Thanks for the casting battle! My frogging reel is the Daiwa Tatula TWS 150HG.
Those old Tatulas are decent bombers
Interesting results, I have both the new JDM zillion and bantam. And I found that the zillion was much more controled and further casting with 16 lb fluorocarbon. Have not used braid on either reel yet.
I have the same reels as well and distance wise the bantam blows my zillion out of the water and does it with much less force in the cast. Control wise they are close when casting short distances but when you get past 50 feet or so, the zillion becomes a handful and my bantam just does it so effortlessly. The problem I have with my zillion is similar to his problem. When I try to cast with any real distance with my zillion, I'm constantly going between blow ups every other cast or going another step down on the brake setting and getting a controlled cast with considerable less distance. So I've stuck to just pitching and flipping only with my zillion and maybe some intermediate casting here and there. But the bantam is just an all around great performer. And the infinity drive for me is absolutely a difference maker. But I did not notice it until I was reeling in decent fish. When it's under heavy load, you can really tell the ease and smoothness of the infinity drive vs my 2018 bantam that does not have it.
And just a side note, I use 14 lb sunline fluorocarbon on both my bantam and my zillion
@@caseydangar4414 🤷🏾♂️
@@caseydangar4414 I don't know What to say there partner. I'm not a fanboy of either company. I own more shimano's then any other reel. But for some reason those are just my results pairing these two together. What are your break settings. Maybe that's the difference maybe it's just a fisherman
@@caseydangar4414 I’ve never had a blow up using my zillion. Not one time. And that’s bomb casting it into the wind. Lined with 30lb braid
Thus the reel works just like it should. I've had it and used it for some time now. It's my go to reel.
If you increase the spool tension on the Daiwa you can reduce the casting break to 1-2 and cast longer with better line control. I do it with alle my Daiwa reels. And I the very best Daiwa reels…
With some magforce Z with certain lures yes, more spool tension with less brake can gain you a few more feet. But with SV you need the spool tension as loose as possible
That's exactly what I did with my Zillion. I increased spool tension and run the break at 4 and have plenty of functional casting distance and haven't had one blowup.
We’re gonna need a new casting Olympics
Please test 1 of the KastKing MegaJaws Elite reels.
Thank you.
im using 0.11-0.13mm 8string braid för lures that weighs abut 14grams.
0.32mm is when i am fishing for pike, casting lures that weighs 50-120grams.
so maybe a bit on the thick side.
Thanks for the knowledge brother! I guess its the price I pay for getting cheap braid in bulk lol
If they were the same price, I would've bought a Metanium over the Zillion. But the Zillion is cheaper to begin with and I found an open box (new reel) for 195. I can't pick a Metanium for 250-300 more dollars. It just wouldn't sit well. Not to mention, I don't know if I fish enough to justify a 425-500 dollar reel. I was gonna settle with a Tatula or a SLX. Probably the SLX. But for 170 off because a box was opened I had to go with the Zillion.
Either way, this comparison makes me happy. I'm sure the reel will cast further than my Calcutta 100 92, my Abu Garcia 5600, or my really old Daiwa MA15G Magforce reels. In case anyone is wondering, I've done 99% of my fishing with my spinning reels. That said, the supposed ease of the Zillion should suit me well.
Looking forward to the Daiwa boost battle. 😊
I would be surprised if a daiwa won over shimano here 🤗
What fish species require 40 lbs of braid? In Denmark, I would only use it for 10 kilos pike and a size 300 reel 😉
I’m a Daiwa fanboy. I watch all your videos hoping a daiwa some day will be praised. 😊 (I am also i reeltest fan)
40LB is not for the fish but for the heavy cover. A lot of times it's a 5LB fish with a 20LB hydrilla mess you will be fighting.
@@goryglory729 Ahh… god point 😀👍
@@goryglory729 exactly, then theres rock and sticks. Better to bent the hook than lose the bait.
I have nothing against Daiwa, they make some great reels, and Ive never once said any specific Daiwa reel was garbage. I do however love butt triggering their fanboys with truth lol
@@THEREELTEST I know, and it surely is very funny even though I am a Daiwa fanboy.
I think the mechanium is a bigger frame but I'm curious myself be good to see them side-by-side
After handling all three I believe the metamians definitely the smallest palms the smallest anyway the Bantam is next then the zillion they all come pretty comfortably but the phantom in my opinion palms better it's just a heavier reel is all
I think I compare them size wise in this video ua-cam.com/video/VohwwAa3Y6o/v-deo.html The metanium feels slightly longer due to the bigger top front section of the frame
You need to do this again with like 0.15mm line braid. Your are going with really heavy line.
Here in the USA this is considered light braid LOL
@@THEREELTEST no. Sorry, that's not light. Inshore on casting reels we use 20-30lb. Bass, only time there's something over 30lb is when frogging or doing something really close where aren't casting for distance.
I always use 17kg braid and it is usually around .18 mm . 17 kg is around 37 lb
Im sure that braid costs much more than mine lol
No that braid is not normal. We run 20lbs 832, slick8 or x8 jbraid for long casting applications. For bass guy with heavy cover, they run 65lbs, but they are not needing to throw super long distance normally.
Should've used mono,always adjust spool
tension for the bait to glide to to the ground.
I think the Hercules 40Ib Dia. 0.32mm is a 4 strand PE. A 8 strand PE 40Ib Dia. should be around 0.218mm (Japanese PE Diameter).
No wonder the line was so cheap in cost lol
Some Reels doesn't need over feel of Line on the spool I'am bad about that myself.
15-20lb braid is what we use here in South Texas for redfish and trout so 40lb test is a bit too heavy for me..
good info. I may use 20lb for future battles
Thats pretty much overkill braid for those reels. I'd go 0.14-0.16 braid on those. I don't even use 0.3 on my heaviest Pike reels anymore as something like 0.25 can handle any pike out there.
After your last video on the New Bantam i went out and bought it, put 20# braided line and that thing would send it, i didn't measure distance with a she dog but my arm felt it later, 1/8 oz jig head with a mirrolure Little John - well lets just say im Very Pleased with the reel, im using it on the Galvest Texas Bay Area, lets see how durable it is with saltwater, Great Video 👊👍
I fish the same water as you and I got rid of my metaniums and bantam. The metaniums especially, I found them too finicky if trying to get the best cast out of them. Very smooth bringing in a fish though. I honestly find the curadp 150 mgl a better reel for our waters over the metanium.
My zillion sitting on top of a Laguna Trident is the ticket though. Casts a mile, smooth retrieve, light enough, and all around great. I also love using the Alderberan and custom lite. Both are great for our coast.
So far did the metanium frog go?
thanks dude great video👍
Metanium distance cast?
I can tell you that the Metanium will out cast all of them. I use one of my Metaniums for frogs and it absolutely bombs them with 65lb power pro maxquatro braid.
I love my Metanium!
how the hell do you get 65lb on the Metanium? Even the 150?
@@THEREELTEST power pro maxquatro, it's 25% thinner than other braid. I can send you a picture of the reel with it on there.
JDM 2020 Metanium is the only reel U need. Was on digitaka & I see there’s a Metanium 100 ‘23……..not in stock yet 🤔
I purchased the 23' Met. 100 and although it's a really sweet reel, the spool is a little deeper than the 2020 JDM Met. but not as deep as the U.S. 150 Met.
Прекрасный обзор с тестами по броскам!!!
Thank you, I always enjoy your tests very much. Which Metanium did you test: the US Model with 150 MGL spool or the jdm Model with 70 MGL Spool?
Yes I have the JDM model with the 70 spool. I forgot to mention the US 150 Metanium
I'm looking forward to the 2023 releases. Would be so excited to see a new Aldebaran MGL (30-70 size), maybe a new Conquest BFS. Interested in what Daiwa brings too, just no clue for them yet.
daiwa have new steez already and should come zillion hlc 23 after zillion hd 22. hope shimano will make new cardiff dc bfs reel )))
@@oslo7457 Steez A 2 is such an old frame to be using in 2023. It is essentially a Steez A with the new Zillion's gears and cosmetic changes. Everyone hoped they would build an aluminum Steez CT frame, for a Steez A CT. Would love to see a new Conquest BFS.
hopefully a chronarch refresh that would be nice
New Met DC is definitely coming.
That aldebaran your speaking of is the one I'm waiting for. Almost went for the slx dc70 it's just not being enough. Lol
I have all these. But I’m not going to fish with Zillion sv when I need to bomb cast heavy swim bait/chatter baits. It’s gonna damage the plastic foot inside the sv spoon. So for heavy stuff, give it to Batam, curado etc. SV and dc reels are perfect for skipping lures and use for windy conditions.
Why should you have to worry about that in a $350 reel?
aweaome info and thank you
Can you turn off the clicker drag off the zillion ? For when a fish is pulling drag ?? I just don’t wanna hear the clicking noise that’s all.
40lb should be around 0.19 - 0.21 mm.
Hola que opinas de la línea hércules en cuanto a si respeta los diámetros? Entran los metros que dice en los reels?muchas gracias
To use Power Pro V2 as an example, 40 lb is .32 mm. According to the Shimano catalog, the Metanium and the Bantam A should both hold 105 yds. I don't think you casted 105 yds. Either way, they should've both had the same amount of line on them.
He has the JDM one and it’s a 100 capacity spool. The US Metanium and both Bantams are 150s
@Hunter Bull then they should at least both hold the same amount of line... maybe he did empty the spool with the Metanium 🤷♂️
Sorry, clearly he did empty the spool... what I meant to say is that possibly the Metanium does cast a fair amount further than the others.
Remember that when brands say it holds 105 yards, that's when you put wet braid in it and with a really nice amount of tension.
After changing braid/mono on more than 50 different reels since I work in a tackle store I can definitely say he probably had 80-90 yards in the reel if he spooled it dry and with fair tension, and not 105 yards.
@Eliseo Caporale but did the line really have a .32 mm diameter???
I never understood why such heavy lines.
Its an American thing LOL
@@THEREELTEST went fishing at night to try out for snake head with the bantam mgl. -.- was getting confused how to set it... had 3 brake on ... max dial using lure 15g-28g , line still blow up hahaha....
Line was ygk Xbraid x8 25lb ............. think it like 0.18mm ...............kinda thin........... it bloom out each time.. maybe i need thickerlines haha
Jdm matianium 2020 is 100 size and the American release is a 150 spool.
according to Shimano Japan its a 70 size spool
pe 1.5# or 2# is more than enough for freshwater fishing and can handle up to 30 grams lure easily, except you targeting big snakehead a.k.a toman or big mama barra
I fully agree. I usually have pe1.5 on my reels, sometimes even #1.2.
15:53.... Ahahaha. I'm thinking about which reel to buy... Ok, now i must buy 2020 Metanium lol)))
What fishing line is this??? Thank you
Please do a Antares DC vs steez HLC, I just bought both and waning a second opinion.
Send them to me and Ill battle them! lol
That braid might be Dacron rather than gel spun. Dacron is much thicker.
I can say, that when spooling the reels up, this line left some sticky substance on the top guide of the rod that I had to pick off
For the roughly same price same. What reel can I get with a 200 size spool that will last for years? I have 4 curado 200e’s that are still going good.
You won’t find much better than those in my opinion . Sure the new reels have fancy features but those green Curados are bomb proof !
@@OsamaBinDarrel Yea, anything even comparable to them nowadays ?
@@OsamaBinDarrel so am I better off finding more of them or getting a newer reel like a curado dc or diawa zillion?
Can't go wrong with the curado k, I have 6 of em. Lol 👌
Can you address any size difference between the Met and the Bantam please?
I measured them form the cast control knob to the side plate and the difference between the two is negligable. Height is negligable as well. The outer casing of the Bantam looks thicker. The two palm very similar as well. The Bantam feels similar to the metanium 2020 and no where near as bad as the giant silver brick aka the 2021 Antares DC
Yeah the zillion is the biggest the Bantam would be next and I considered the matanium to Palm the smallest but in all honesty the Bantam is the most comfortable to Palm the only downsides to that real is how heavy it is how heavy it is
So how does the zillion palm I have a small hand, how big is it compare to 2016 scorpion 70?
@@jimt5683 in my opinion, the rod plays a big part of the equation. I have a rod that neither my Met B or Zillion feels all that great on. However, put a Curado DC on and it's like hearing Angels sing. I was wondering if the Bantam sat differently, or was a little shorter before buying for this particular setup.
Well I haven't had the scorpion 70 but I'm assuming that is the same frame as the curado BFS and nothing palms as small as that real but the zillion definitely is comfortable to Palm but does still feel a touch on the big side compared to these small reels the metanium is probably the closest to the corrado BFS but in my opinion The phantom palms slightly bigger than the metamian but it's a more comfortable call me feel overall it kind of like has a spot for your thumb to set instead of your thumb just up being on top of the real
I need those orange lines lol
ebay or amazon
I wanted to love the zillion, but the shimano reels just do everything better in my opinion.
you need to actually fish a Zillion in the 1st place..😂
@@jimbo0411 I’ve had plenty of fishing time with the zillion, there is nothing better in my opinion about it than the scorpion dc I replaced it with.
This guy doesn’t know how to set a zillion correctly so this test is irrelevant to me. I’ve never had my JDM zillion 21 left brake above lvl 5 or 6 MAXX. Mine usually stays on lvl 3-4 with VERY CONTROLLED LONG CASTING. This guy hates on “Daiwa fanboys” but doesn’t realize he sounds like a fanboy himself lol..
are you mad "ryan"? lol
USA fishing line measurement vary from manufacturers. That said the actual break strength and stated diameter on the box/website may vary too. Most lines are stronger (actual break, without knot factor) and thicker than stated. Pretty much you got do your own tests and find what fishing line works for you, which is stupid. That braid seems thicker and more in line with 50lb braid. I personally run 50lb PowerPro Maxcuatro and it seems more like 30lb line diameter comparing vs other brands and have enough line to bomb most frogs without spooling out. This is the only line in my experience that has the stated strength, yet it's thinner than what it claims.
Thanks for the information!
I hear the Daiwa silver wolf is a monster casting beast ?
Not alot of review info on that reel. I know its braid tuned and the spool is super shallow
Hello! As a reel maniac with most focus on max casing distance,
you should get the exence dc 2017, steez hlc tw and the old daiwa z2020.
This three reels could challenge all your reels in distance!
Also, isnt the metanium 20 available with 150 capacity?
I thought the Metanium was 150 also
The meta out 20 from the jdm is a 100 size but the US model is a 150. The 150 outcasts the 100 by a noticeable distance too.
@@morganyoder4277 ok that's why. I have the us version. I recently got the 22 Metanium shallow spool for it though
Send all 3 to me and Ill gladly test them
@@THEREELTEST just buy a 150 size spool, it’s 75 from shimano and fits in the jdm metanium. The only difference between the 2 is the spool depth.
Great videos! Just wanted to say that the line is way to thick for these reels. In europe we would use half diameter
so would you say using 20lb braid would be enough for a 3/4 oz lure? Im always afraid of line snaps
We mostly talk about diameter here, not about lb but in general for bfs we use braid 0,10mm and under, for 1/2 oz to 1oz lures something between 0,12 and 0,15 and braid like you have used in the video we use typically for heavy pike fishing with lures around 3 - 4 oz. Regarding line break i never had issues with that. But i have to say that super heavy cover would be an exception to this of course. Cheers!
Also, would be very interesting to see how much the casting distance will improve with the thinner braid
I own many shimanos from core to chronarchs (pre mgl) to metaniums (13 n 20) to conquests (2014)...n my 18 bantam is the worst caster from my bunch... Nice to know that the new bantam is much better... Will have to sell my 18 bantam n upgrade it bc I only use it now to pitch jigs bc it's such a terrible caster IMO..metaniums are the best that I have and used.
I mean... for a Shimano MGL it may not be on par with some of the others, but against any Daiwa, Id give the advantage to the 18 Bantam. If I didnt take the extra effort to extract the extra distance on the Zillion I would have gotten beat by about 15 feet
Honest 40 is way to heavy for that size 20 braided max
I use pe1.5 (30 lbs) major craft dangan braid (jam) on my Antares I can fit the whole 300 meters on with braid I’ve found that it expensive to find the thin braids that we need for the long cast and powerful fish fights in the salt water that I fish
Yeah... I wasnt trying to spend alot of money on braid for this battle lol.
@@THEREELTEST yea I completely understand mate braid can get crazy expensive but worth it on your favorite combo. Majorcraft dangan and momoi lure cast are both excellent but I now lean towards the majorcraft as it’s cheaper.
Any chance you’ll do the curado mgl 150 vs the tranx 150?
I had the MGL 150 out today to do battle with several other $200 reels and It would be the perfect reel if the color scheme wasnt so dull! So I was contemplating the Tranx 150 lol. So who knows, I may get it
@@THEREELTEST yeah the MGL casts awesome and is a great reel, just wonder if the 150 tranx compares in casting distance, the tranx is better looking and also saltwater approved
I'm actually really curious. Is the cast distance what makes it better? I mean like bfs reels the distance doesn't matter but the lure control and capability of throwing things below 3grams does. I'm really kinda confused of what makes a far more expensive reel more worth it performance wise than a cheaper variant like for example metanium vs curado aside from build quality or material.
This channel is 100% all about distance
You’ll be surprised. It’s not just cast ability your paying for. You get lightweight #1 #2 you get LINE CONTROL 3# plus an excellent drag = equals less downtime and more fish time=More fish.
And I’ll tell you why the Daiwa will lose. Every time. Because of their service dept. they are liars and thieves. And will gladly steal from your grandma
Superior tolerance is most important to me. Shimano and Daiwa are normally king here.
Casting control on far distant. Besides, Durability and smoothness.
Dude, that was soooo funny :) Loser by disqualification LOL. It should at least get a participation award.....
Dodgeball was awesome
Which is a better caster? Bantam A (22)or scorpion dc (21)? Maybe a casting match video? Thanks!
Think it is going to be the bantam, as my zillion outcasts the scorpion DC (not by much but definetly noticeable. Maybe around 3-5m with 1/2oz Spinnerbaits on a MH rod).
As the bantam at least here casts further than the zillion it should definetly cast further than the scorpion as well.
I can attest to the bantam casting further than the 21 scorpion dc. The 21 scorpion dc has a really heavy braking profile compared to other earlier versions of the scorpion dc so it's not a monster caster distance wise in my opinion. But its a very controlled caster. Its a dream to fish with when extreme distance isn't needed
Thank you for the feedback! Much appreciated!
If distance and a smaller form is your highest need, the Bantam is your choice. If it’s the ability to throw various lure weights with little to no adjustments and a more haste free experience in windy conditions, choose the scorpion DC.
@@ArmyofOne-14x thanks!
Way thick my 50 lbs v2 super slick is .28
I enjoy your content but you're so bias it's hard to know if the results are subjective
Thank you i feel the same, he was different 4-5 years ago
I mean, what does bias have to do with one reel clearly outcasting another and proving it on video? And yes I prefer Shimanos over Daiwa for many reasons but one is that they cast farther
@@andys.1316 Im still the same as when I stared the channel. If anything Ive taken it easy on the fanboys
He is right though, shimano's usually cast further.
@@THEREELTEST okay to say “fanboys” is a stretch dude first of all there is a lot more people that either know of shimano or are fans of shimano lol you’re like talking shit without blatantly saying it. And on top of that a lot more people probably know of shimano, people that aren’t even really into fishing even know about shimano dude if anything shimano and Daiwa would be like direct comparison of Apple and Samsung as rivals (apple=shimano. Daiwa=Samsung) but regardless they both catch fish and both do their job really fucking well. I love both company’s equally and there are alot of Daiwa reels that are better than some shimano reels just as there is alot of shimanos better than Daiwas but I will give shimano one thing their $300-500 dollar range reels usually tend to be better in my opinion and also Diawas braking system is a lot more friendly as the mag force is more heavy on braking than the SVS infinity but the SVS infinity system is more of a free spool experience as you only tighten tension knobs to minimize side to side play both have advantages and usually the magforce allows for more consistent casting but the SVS does allow for more distance which is really good for bottom working baits when you really need that long cast but, I prefer daiwas for power fishing as I feel like mostly i almost never backlash working a square bill or chatterbait working docks or shell beds power fishing. But my point is just as you have different rods for different techniques and reels, different company’s do different techniques better than the other where the other doesn’t excel as well.
Quem tem a melhor construção é a zillion !
not even close
Someone else does this and the metanium wins. Pointless really!
Why would anyone buy USDM version of Shimano reel? The Met cost you less than 250 usd with shipping in Japan You pay 100 usd for a one year warrenty ? What a deal.....
Yeah, you can buy a spare 150 spool and it will still be cheaper than a USDM Metanium.
Use max Quattro it’s way smaller in diameter
and way more $$$ lol Im not trying to spend $100 on fishing line for a cast battle
distance maniac. go get yourself a boat !!
you mad bro?
Metanium for me is the goat.
Normal power pro is 8 lb equivalent at 40# test
unfortunately Im on a Hercules budget lol
I still say that the metanium can smoke all of them because it beats the metanium dc
new Metanium DC may be coming out this weekend!
@@THEREELTEST🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽
Lure 20grm ?
14 gram
Have you checked out the new lew’s pro ti & elite ti? I know shimano is your bread & butter but I was looking & no one is really comparing these 2 new reels to reels like the metanium. As detailed as you are I know it’d be a really fair & detailed comparison
I believe them to be gimmicks. I picked up the new pro ti and does nothing new or better than any tournament pro I own. I fish inshore, not bass. I use tournament pros, custom pros and custom lites. Lews palms great but I'm going back to using my Diawas and shimanos. Lews has been a disappointment lately.
Paliza el Shimano a Daiwa
5k views only 200 likes LOLLLL WHOS REALLY THE FANBOY?
stay mad "ryan" LOL
I'm pretty sure 20 met usdm comes 150 size and jdm 70, but great video
150 and 100 respectively
We can all tell you do not know how to set the brakes and tension knobs properly on Daiwas. I have both Metanium and Zillions. Amongst many others from both brands, and I promise you my Zillion casts farther than my Metanium. It's also a smoother retrieve and better drag as well.
Who is "we"? Setting brakes on Daiwas isnt hard, its made for simpletons. I can tell that YOU dont know how to set up Shimanos. I promise you that I dont care about your claims about your zillion casting farther than Metaniums, I PROVE that to be false.
Shimanos for distance. Daiwas for noobs.
That about sums it up. SV air brakes are a beginners braking system that Daiwa put on their most expensive reels
@@THEREELTEST You're such a nice guy.. lol.. sarcasm on alert. Snob comment.
Says the guy that doesn't fish.. 😂
I think the Tatula Elite will cast the best
You better stop making videos
40 lb is 0.32
Dude you are so bias it’s sad
The Bantam a long caster BS