Motorcycle Oil Filters: Why Your Filter Sucks Part 1
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2018
- Is the money you spend on your oil filters worth it? Have you ever opened up one to see what your money is actually being spent on?
Welcome the oil filter destruction. In this video I tear into 7 different oil filters to see exactly what is inside. You might be surprised as to what we find!
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HiFlo RC for the win. Their is a reason some pleats are shorter and staggered. This allows more pleats and better flow as the pleat ends are not all squeezed together where they meet at the tube. And notice the internal tube with a lot of large holes compared to other filters. And it filters to 5 micron.
For the hiflo.. that filter fold design actually ads to amount filter amount. If you stretched out the media and measured you would see there is more material, which means more surface area which allows more oil to be filtered at the same time. This also allows for lower pressure in the filter and the pressure relief can be lower. It's is very well engineered. I would rather have oil circulated than held up in the filter...
Filters don't do much.. frequent oil changes are your best defense for removal of oil contamination..
Btw KN is made by HiFlo.
Great info!! Thanks for sharing! I didn’t know that K&N was made by Highflo! And your 100% on oil changes!
KN used to be made by HiFlo. Not anymore, its been that way for a few years. KN was a better filter then. HiFlo racing series filters are excellent filters.
@@ridemfast7625 you might be right.. i have noticed a different in the k and n filters.
The pressure relief on a filter does more that allow a bypass of pressure of a clogged filter. It also allows bypassing the filter media when the oil is cold so as not to over-pressure the oil pump, starve the engine of oil flow or blow out gaskets, oil lines, and distort the media.
The cut outs that looked like a bit of extra wasted space around the inner tube in one of the filters actually provides relief of space for wrapping the filter media allowing a few extra folds of the paper on the outer ring of the paper. In non engineering terms that means more filter paper squashed inside the filter.
Yup - the important thing, I've been made aware of recently, is the calibration of the pressure release valve. I've found 2 filters for my bike that take that seriously: The OEM and Mahle. There may be others but it's not common and it is important.
I think the hiflo filter is just the brand name.. Doesn't mean it's a "high flow" filter. I Could be wrong.
I agree. Some people take a name to far. But k@n has a high flow filter for track racing.
Ive used the hi flo for several years on my honda 650 and 750 4 cyl jobs. They work great. Keep oil clean. Trust them totally.
yeah their ''high flow'' filters are called RC. for example normal filter for my bike is HF303B but the ''racing'' version is HF303RC
The "paper" of each of those filters has different filtration abilities and made out of different materials. HiFlo is 5 microns where as some of those other filters go up to 20-25 microns, which is still good but not as good as HiFlo. K&N uses synthetic "paper", which theoretically should filter more consistently over a long run. Also, canisters are different thickness=different burst ratings. Especially for dirt bike thicker canister means less chance of a puncture. Some of those filters use silicone diaphragm and others rubber. Silicon is obviously better. I prefer HiFlo for oil and K&N for air.
I honestly can't think of a dirtbike or atv that uses a canister type filter.
Man... having been an automotive factory trained Red Seal Technician for two and a half decades I can say to everyone that I wouldn't put a Fram oil filter on my wheelbarrow. .... Fram is more garbage than the cheap ebay oil filters.
Fram ultra synthetic is actually on of the best filters, out side of that I agree
Sorry, I down voted you by accident. A parts guy told me once that UA-cam did more to expose Fram for the junk that they are than anything else. They had to start selling WIX. In all my years of welding in the field I have not once seen a Fram filter on a commercial engine.
@@martinschulz9381 So they rebranded to WIX? Don't use WIX either then, right?
@@cesartapia610 I use WIX on all my vehicles.
Great topic.....great job! Thanks Cody.
HiFlo is the name of the company
They do air filters too
Exactly. Hiflo is not the claim of the filter's function. Its just the brand name. LOL
HiFlo is made by K&N believe it or not.
So it’s basically rebranded K&N then, I’ll take 6
Wrong. K&N's are made by Hiflo, not the other way around
Jorge Silva who gives a shit? Same thing. Only difference is the k&n has a nut on the end.
Liking the video before I see 1 second. I love every single thing you post dude
Thanks for doing this for me! (and all the others)
Does a motorcycle engine not have a pressure relief valve build into the system from factory? I know automotive and truck engines do.
Were all of the filter elements the same length? Do all of these filters cross over to the honda filter?
You should make an updated version. Mix it up and Include S&S and you have a whole new video.
Which filter i can use for Royal Enfield 650? I live in HK and there are no re parts.
07 Vulcan 900 SuperTech 6607 12 years no problem. One trip was NY to California and back.
Great video, thanks for sharing. I just use Honda filters...you can't go wrong with the factory filters. I've found that nowadays the aftermarket filters are no longer less expensive like they use to be ..,( lawn mowers, boat motors quads etc)
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I've seen so many guys completely brain washed by K&N's high powered marketing, I wouldn't use their products for nothing.
hiflo is actually the oil filter provider for a few brands and they are one of the first TÜV approved filters meaning they are up to OEM or better quality. they use good materials from all around the world like finland and toyota steel glue from germany.
Amsoil or Hiflo-filtro is the only oil filters I use with Amsoil full synthetic metric m/c in my W-650.
The filter actually retains and disintegrates the carbon dirt of the combustion process because the oil has detergent components to clean the carbon deposits of each explosion. This is the reason why the oil goes black loosing properties, so is very important to change the oil every 4000 miles. We can say that new oil will also clean the filter the reason why is important to change in first place the oil and in second place the filter. Thank to the oil detergent components a clogging filter situation is avoided which guarantees a high flow the most important of all.
What is you're opinion on the oil filter for 1999 Magna 750c?
Appreciate it!! 👌
Question: Can you pretty much buy any brand oil filter and it will generally fit your bike? Or are there different sizes for different brands of bikes? Cheers!
There are different sizes, but the filters I was showing are very common on most bikes. Almost all Honda’s, besides the paper filter bikes and some 80s models that used a larger one.
Excluding Harley Davidson, 90% of the bikes out there use the same oil filter.
When I cut my Honda filter open, I was surprised that the filter media didn't have end caps
Ive had an oil filture failure with a k&n filter before were the pressure built up so much it popped rhe filter a hair loose and poored all my oil out at 150mph.
hiflo is the brand not the filter designation
Good video and info.
My personal opinion is, We can discuss oil filters as we discuss motor oil. Its a Never ending story. Just do oil and filter change interval, ore before limits. I change oil and filters on my car and motorcykle every 8 to 10.000km. I use the Hiflow filters mostly.
Most OEM filters are made very cheap. There are some quality filters out there and believe it or not there's even different filter media that's better for synthetic oil.
Is hiflo a good oil filter to run with synthetic?
K and n is like that
@@BenefitExploits yes it's one of the best. it's TÜV certified even so it's OEM quality or upgrade over OEM. they also provide oil filters for a few bike manufacturers.
@@dmo848 yeah and K&N sucks :(
I wonder if the insides of the Honda filters are different since the model numbers changed from 15410-mfj-d01 to 15410-mfj-d02? I know the d02 is made in China now, so would be interested if they are different inside. Otherwise this is a very informative video. Keep up the good work.
Okay the construction is important but what are the RESULTS FROM THE OIL THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THEM?
I want to also point out that design you flawed with the HiFlo filter helps keep filter pleets from folding over / collapsing under high stress / flow / pressure and also the bypass for the motors these filters are meant to be used on have a bypass pressure suggestion of 9-15 psi the reason some are lower is for cold weather so oil can circulate till oil warms up and thins the Hiflo filter is the brand name not the filter flo design and its around 10psi bypass while the others are more near 15psi again all within factory specifications for our motors.
yeah and hiflo also is the provider of oil filters for some brands and they are TÜV certified. they are OEM or upgrade over OEM
Thanks for take your time and money to show internals of all those filters, really appreciated , but more technical knowledge required for the names of internal components components like but not limited to: end caps, center core, leaf spring or coil spring,anti drain back valve, bypass valve type, filtration media I.e. being cellulose base, enhanced cellulose, cellulose/synth hybrid or full synthetic etc, and yes a filter is a restriction for the oil system flow but but necessary to keep your oil clean and yes design and filtration media will impact on flow, synthetic media allows oil flow better than the cellulose and most or if not every time with better filtration & capacity rating,otherwise why they took the time to develop it, more media could imply but not necessarily, more restriction but indeed more capacity and vice versa, trap and retain hydrocarbon byproducts due fuel combustion and metals particles due normal wear of internal components and keep them is the solely purpose of oil filters, an always over mystified topic, most people demonize Fram filters but from the stand point of cost and design they do what they are intended to do for a limited time, personally I wont use them,not a fan but if you will replace them often no problemo, to be on the safe side get a decent quality and design filter and replace it when mandated by manufacturer, Honda filters looks very decent of course OEM equipment but cost efective remember that cost is everything for OEMs,
Thanks for taking the time to go through all those filters. Great video 👍
Do you have a recommendation on 1982 cx500c canister oil filter?
If you don't have a manual then your nearest honda dealer would know. '81-'82 cx500c was my 1st when I was 18,...been liquid cooled, shaft drive ever since
We can cut open 1000 filters if they were not good filters for cars or motorcycles they would not be able to sell them. Engineers get paid a lot of money to put together these filters together and they are very knowledgeable about these scientific specs we are not. If we can do such a better job we need to invent a oil filter. Other than that choose a oil filter change it regularly and find out what works best for your motorcycle end of story.
Hoping to see a wix filter in the mix ..
The 2nd filter reviewed, the Parts Unlimited one, was a Wix.
WIX is good enough for my buddy's $40,000 drag racing engines... it's good enough for my bike...lol
This man may be the Scotty Kilmer of motorcycle!!👨🔬👨🔧 oh this is gonna be good!🕵️♂️
GOD bless you!!
Just buy HiFlo and ride on brother!
Has anyone seen Dave? Love the banner in the back corner mate!
Hiflofiltro is the brand..Never put fram on anything... Hiflofiltro oil filter n Motul 300v
2 videos at once. Oh yeah. Thanks for sharing buddy. Keep 'em coming.
btw any link to buy that shirt you're wearing?
What the number on the Honda filter
curious why the design of the high flow filtro is the way that it is. unusual stuff. Does anyone know why?
I would imagine the hi flo filter is more for a race application. The guys at the track usually change the oil every weekend if not every race day. They are not meant to be used for commuting or long term. Hence the reason why it doesn’t filter as much and has a light oil release valve.
Aside from the actual branding name, I'm not really sure. "HiFlo Filtro" is a marketing name that may, or may not imply anything to the actual function of the product.
because it actually works. they are one of the best filters out there. and they are TÜV certified. they are even the OEM filter provider for a few bike brands. their racing filter is called RC. for example the normal filter is called HF303B but the racing one is HF303RC
@@rampage3337 thank you! It’s good to hear this. I like my daily rider to last forever hopefully as long as I do. Hopefully I can be buried with my bonneville! Ha!
But really that’s good to know they are considered high quality enough to be an OEM part
I had a Yellow Jacket fly inside my ear and I stuck my finger in killed it obviously it stung me in my ear canal my mother being a very concerned parent since the poison was so close to my brain and ear had me lay my head down on her lap while we went to Stewart's to go eat she said my ear was the size of an eggplant and was totally translucent I mean you can't blame her for not taking me to the hospital families got to eat right? Yes this is a true story I was 11 years old I am now 53 what a difference in parenting from then to now...Now you rush your child to the hospital MRI x-rays give antitoxins stay in hospital for a few days for evaluation then parents let the school system now that you are now disabled for life and traumatized and you need a safe space!
P. S. Sue the Hospital for pain I had to endure for a few hours😀
I'm guessing by now you actually know that the hi-flo is the brand name and not a statement of what it does 😊
I use the Hi Flow filters ...they are just as good as the K&N filters ....would never use a Fram filter in my bike or car...
wrong hiFlow is actually better than K&N. K&N is not that good anymore and has not ben good for a very long time. goes for their oil filters and their air filters. they just don't hold up no more
Nice review. Hi to all. SOME OIL FILTER DON'T HAVE PRESSURE RELIEF.DOES IT DAMAGE THE ENGINE OR MAY AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE? THANKS IN ADVANCE TO ANYBODY ANSWERS.
if the filter clogs, and less oil flows as it cannot bypass the filter, less oil or no oil will flow, and you will seize the engine((top end first probably)
Get what your ride recommends if possible if staying stock,... upgrading and changing things might usually involve some risk
Also,the hiflo is the only O.F you tested that has a 5 micron rating
I'm not at all surprised that Honda smoked the competition.
HiFlo is a company in the UK. That has a German TUV rating.
How do I know when I should change my oil? I bought I used bike and I'm not sure when the last oil change was.
Dave C just change it now and be potentially changing half fresh oil and filter but at the same time not have to think about it.
I know of at least one shop that sold used bikes. Only changed the Oil. Not the filter. The Oil, Was Used. Out of the 1st Service drains. Its been closed for about a year now. I agree with the other post. Change the oils and filter.
Change it asap.
Dave C
Replace the oil. Problem solved. Cut the recommended intervals in half and you are good to go. Use an OEM filter
I always wondered whats inside the hiflo
My K and N oil filter almost caused me to crash when it leaked all over my back tyre.As it was I was stranded 100 miles from home with an oily back tyre and very low oil level.
KN is made in China now. They used to be made by HiFlo which makes excellent filters. Checkout the Racing series. Well made...
tryna figure out the ideal filter for my virago, toss up between k &n 145 and stp s6004.... whats the difference and why? why should i go with k & n just because its more expensive and "high performance" .... do i really need a "high performance" for my 1993 virago 750..... or would it make a significant difference and be totally worthwhile....im absolutely clueless, Motorcycle MD: PLEASE HELP! haha
Hiflo has been around like 80 years. K&N uses the Hiflo numbers but not the quality of Hiflo.
I had a wasp sting me in my upper lip from taking a drink too lol
I only ever use OE on my bikes.
I use HIFLO, same as KandN
Non biased...lol..yeah ok as he's wearing a Honda shirt...sorry but you can't know what filter works or flows better by just cutting filters apart...do some real tests then make an actual informative video.
I was thinking the same thing lol he's not sponsoring anyone but there he is wearing a Honda shirt
I think it's a Honda specialist workshop
Also not knowing about the metal end caps are good.
How about Pure One filters?
Hiflo... possibly the producer or former producer of K&N oil filters... Vesrah my choice for brake pads...
I got stung by bee right in the mouth leaving My soda out then drinking it man it took a long time not to be scared I feel your pain
You needed to use a FRAM motorcycle filter, they are built totally different, more like the Honda filter. you chose the crappy Walmart car FRAM filter for 4 bucks.
You lost me at wasp...
"I my be wrong."
Yeah dude you're wrong about a lot
olá, boa tarde! qual filtro você indica ?
Halfway through the vid you seem to have got tired of those kinky black rubber gloves you were so jolly happy with at the start. But I don't blame you, 10 minutes is about enough for sweaty hand syndrome to build up.
Disposable nitrile gloves are good stuff. Toxic substances soaking into the skin year after year is not. Neither is hand scrub detergents to remove it.
hey Cody, watching your video on oil filters. very interesting. wasps, I was having a piss in a wood when I was stung on the knob, ouch, so I share your fear of them, whats the white trike in the background Cody, please and can i buy it ?
Where is Mobil One?
Hiflo are quality filters wouldn’t use anything else 👍
I'm sure the wasp has had better days as well!
So again we see that if you`re blessed with a Honda,go OEM. Always OEM! Unless it`s a rectifier,then go Shindengen......
The best oil filter is the OEM filter. A small price to pay when you spend $25kon a motorcycle. You want it to last, don’t you? Saving a couple of dollars on a shit filter isn’t worth it
I would never spend 25k on a motorcycle just got a 2002 honda shadow 750 with 10 thousand miles for 1000$
@@johnnytsunami6185 still though. I want my investment to last, even if it is a cheap bike.
Agree
Did you ever figure out how HIFLO achieves High-Flow? (LMAO)
HiFlo is the best.... move on.
K and N have the same insides as SmartTech from Walmart
For real did not know. Well I like Walmart
Volar filters the best. A buck a piece. Step right up and get em' while they're still hot! $1 a piece, ladies and gentlemen.... $1 a piece! And if you buy 4, we'll even throw in a Hello Kitty sticker and a bag of rejected crayons from Crayola factory. Volar. Dependable, reliable, and quality you can count on. - Don't hate. :)
They make a tool just for opening O.Fs
Best investment.. i always open and inspect.. look for metal.
They all seem to be alright.
Yes your the guy I,m going to trust in knowing oil filters. A guy with two black washers in his ear lobes. Ya that's cool?
The dude is a pro Honda technician. What's your qualification?
CALAMARI MATE
DUDE, Hiflo is the brand name. Filtro is the oil filter you are testing. Comeon.
Dirty oil is way better than no oil.
Mobil 1 is good
"Hi-Flo" lol is a BRAND NAME it is NOT the description.....seriously? They make AIRFILTERS etc where one DOES want higher flow for the same filtration...I would not read anything into the frand name that seems lame if you ask me
Mann Hummel (Germany) make the best oil filters in the world. Vastly superior filtration media. They don’t do all Motorcycles, but if they do yours...get Mann Hummel.
Ronan Rogers
That’s what I use in all my German cars for the last 30 years. Mann actually makes the OEM filters. Working as a tech for Mercedes I never saw one fail and never heard of Mercedes ducking a claim due to improper filter. Mercedes and VW use felt filters and no paper. All aftermarket filters are paper and do not provide the same filtration and depending on pressure they can also fail. Mann makes quality products for high performance machines for reasonable prices.
Mann Hummel owns WIX and Purolator
No bias!,really,shop full of honda ,a honda shirt.Hmmmmmm?
Not a single reusable filter reviewed?
You should be more familiar with leading brands, and you should devise a way to actually TEST them.
BTW, Hiflo is the brand name, not a property of the filter.
Dude I cant stand wasps either
do we really need another oil filter video? umm, NO!
Fram is far from the best...
Did this really have to be 27:32 mins long?
I hate seeing you using a grinding disk in the middle of a workshop with bikes around you. The sparks are pieces of metal and abrasive material you send flying all around. Big one will probably fall on your knees or on the floor but the fine dust will cover the bikes and possibly part of open engines...think about it twice next time
Maybe I can't tell from the video but it looked like the Honda filter wasn't sealed up properly at either end allowing for a constant flow of unfiltered oil along with the filtered oil. Maybe I just can't see it properly. If it isn't sealed properly then the Honda is the worst filter here.
Give you a "E" for effort bro but this review fell pretty short of being informative. Im sure youll get better with time.
I would have to agree with you on this whole heartedly. I wasn’t really satisfied with how this one turned out either. A lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of editing. To come up with sub-par results. It was my first attempt at a video like this.. There are definitely some comparison champions out there and I’ll try to stay in my lane more often 😆. Thanks for your time brother 🤙🏻
@@TheMotorcycleMD I'm a bit late to this party but the video info helped me, impressed upon me the importance of changing even a quality filter and not just the oil 👍...didn't know a filter worked like that
The honda filter is a filtech unit made in the USA,,, www.filtechusa.com
The ONLY FILTER I've EVER USED and will EVER CONTINUE TO USE.............is the K&N one!!! Many laugh at me for how much they cost...............UNTIL...........I ride my bike hard, and FAR BEYOND the quote/unquote "recommended" oil-change intervals,and drain the oil and filter,and they BOTH look GREAT!!! Like they could go another few thousand miles without ANY problem!!! Btw........one "tip" I recommend for any gearhead? Stick a few tiny "magnets" on the sides of your new filters!!! That way,it'll "magnetize" the entire filter housing and any "metal" pieces that comes in,will immediately STICK to the side of the housing instead of possibly damaging internal engine-parts in case they DO NOT get filtered out by the media-filter element!!! ~Peace~
Hi Robert...........Nope!!! For as long as I've been using K&N filters,I've never ONCE had a "nut" break loose on me while trying to remove it,nor have it leak on me whatsoever,due to improper gasket seating!!! Not sure if I've been just "lucky" in not buying any defective K&N filters,but it has yet to happen to me!!! :)
Just so ya know, the K&N has been banned from several race organizations for weld failures at the nut. Several instances of bikes with K&N filters oiling down tracks and wrecking bikes.
Harley Hooligans do not allow K&N oil filters for this very reason.
K&N can't be any better than Bosch or Mobil 1 or Purolator One. Ironically even a SuperTech Walmart filter is a good filter, regardless of price. Certain brands are made by the same company (Champion, for instance), but may not be constructed in the same way.
As long as the bypass valve pressure rating is good and the valve works reliably (never prematurely), as long as the bonding between the media and endcaps is solid, as long as the media is consistent (density and micron rating) and offers long-enough filtration service (before bypass activates, relative to your oil-dump intervals), as long as the internal materials of the filter are good or excellent (never breaking down thermally or in construction), then why in the world would anyone pay double the amount for a "feel good brand" or "my buddy does this" or "such and such racing team does that" if the actual ability of the celebrated brand isn't any better in actuality than a less costly brand? Especially if the two are actually being manufactured by the same company but having separate brands pasted on them...
menom7 Just the fact that you ride "Far beyond" the recommended changes with your extraordinary filter makes you a typical idiot. Like one that rags their bike and hardly changes their oil because of their special magic filter and then brags about it on a public forum lol. This is why I don't buy used motorcycles....
Wtf
He cuts up filters
You don’t???
He's a cut up
:-)
Is this a joke ?? I think it is!
We were anchored at Catalina Island when we were swarmed by yellow wasps. They are very aggressive, much more than bees. One of the wasps stung my grandfather on the lip. We actually had to flee the island and there were still wasps on the boat hours later. Ever since, I kill wasps every chance I get.
Oil leaves the filter and returns to the pan.
Previous video on oil was good, non biased.. in this video, this guy can't see passed Honda. Disliked.