Thank you for this. I’ve been using Fram for many many years and never had one single problem. And you’re right, if they were so bad, there would’ve been a recall to pull them off shelves , stop production, and the company would be forced to identify the issue to the public. And if anybody could “prove” that it damaged their engine, there would be a class action suit against the company. So somebody had it out for Fram when they made this nonsense up. Not to say that they’re perfect. Every company has their flaws and mishaps. But overall that myth was debunked.
I've heard the negative comments about Fram oil filters for years, although I have used Fram oil filters for more than 40 years on all my vehicles and i have yet to have an engine failure, or any issues that would indicate lack of flow or excessive engine wear, nowadays i use the Fram ultra synthetic oil filters!
This is what happens when "influencers" start cutting open oil filters and testing filters by looking at them and no lab testing whatsoever. My almost 40 years of maintaing personal vehicles with the orange can of death with no failures tells me all I need to know. I've had all my engine failures with the coolant system.
I've used tough guard filters for over 50 years. I hear things like the metal is thin, the end caps are cardboard, it blew up my engine...etc. In a lot of cases it was poor maintenance or low oil level so guys are looking for excuses for their stupidity. There is nothing wrong with them. Good info
You said it right on point a lot of this false, misleading, and bad opinion of Fram oil filters is from people that jumped on the bandwagon or neglect their maintenance intervals and oil changes and ran the oil and filters way over the miles it was intended to run
I’ve been using frame oil filters on my ram Cummins for years now and I never had a problem and I already had three trucks but I always use the 20,000 mile standard but will change my oil around 8000 to 9000 miles so far and never had an issue right now I have the Silver color frame that runs 15,000 miles and so far my trucks been doing good
About a month ago I was driving home from work and noticed my oil pressure dropping. It went from around 60psi to basically nothing. I stopped and got my truck towed home. I went to oriellys and got a WIX oil filter to replace the Fram "Tough Guard" filter that I put on my engine 1000 miles earlier. Swapped them, started my truck, and oil pressure was normal again. I cut apart the fram to see it was completely collapsed. I got lucky and learned my lesson.
Was a mechanic for many years and never heard of that happening to any filter. If it did happen you should have contacted Fram as they would want it to see what caused the collapse.
I've used them for years as well without a problem. Like 30 years. However, there were a group of engineers that did a rough test, and the extra guard let through a lot of contaminants. I'll share the link.
I had a 97 crown vic that would make slight valve train noise on cold starts using a fram. Switched to a motorcraft fl820s with the silicone anti drain back valve and it didn't make noise on start ups. Those filters sit on their side so the oil mite have been draining out using the fram. I've stayed away from the extra guard frams ever since. These days I'm more cautious. I usually use an oe filter if it's constructed well like the motorcrafts or a good quality aftermarket with good construction and with a correct pressure relief valve pressure rating. I like wix filters. They are built well and have silicone anti drain back valves. I'm sure a fram works well most of the time but for me I've lost the trust in some applications so I just stay away from fram all together ☹️
I use FRAM Tough Guard cartridge oil filters on my 13 Camry. No problems in the past 10 years. I have used FRAM Extra Guard filters on my past cars, over the last 40 years 2 VWs, 2 Hondas and 2 Ford F150 Trucks all with no problems. So, like you say FRAm filters are not as bad as they say! Yes they have cardboard end caps, but that part of the filter is not under much stress!
Actually, it’s an engineered fiber end cap, not cardboard or felt or paper or anything else the Fram haters like to claim. And you’re right…not under much stress.
My dad is ASE certified and always recommended Fram. 3000-3500 mile oil changes vs 5000 or 7500 is where you see engine longevity performance differences and less wear and tear.
I used FRAM filters on a GEO metro with 166K miles. I’m the original owner and have religiously chained my own oil. No issues, but my oil change interval isn’t 10K miles, and I’m not putting it on a heavy duty vehicle.
I have previously used Fram filters, which effectively do their intended job: filtering out oil impurities resulting from combustion and engine wear. Merely stating that using them in your vehicles has caused no issues is selective evidence. The definitive test would be to analyze the filter in a laboratory and test the oil. The presence of certain substances in the oil can confirm whether the oil filter is functioning properly. This requires a statistically significant sample of vehicles. To date, I have not encountered a case where a Fram filter alone is responsible for premature engine wear.
I could be wrong, but I thought I heard something about the fram filters restricting oil flow. It might not have even been fram but I heard that somewhere about some particular vehicle.
Proven that Wix advertisements said these accusations against Fram, but there's been nothing proven. You can watch cross section videos of Fram and it's no different than Mobil 1 or K&N
There's no way the auto manufacturers would put up with warranty engine failures caused by FRAM. In the 80s at least one of the manufacturers took Jiffy Lube to court for using substandard oil and won.
I have used FRAM for a few years, they are cheap, last enough to make it to my 3000 miles oil changes and no valve train noises when used as compared with other cheapo filters, however I change my oil at 3000 miles, the filter media in the cheapest FRAM filter is conservative and may have an issue with 10000 miles oil changes but that's when you need buy the correct one for your application FRAM has variations for each applications. I know they are not the best but they work and are cheap enough to make my oil changes be frequent and affordable.
Millions upon millions of people have an do use fram filters they do a good job is there better out there yeah of course but fram is ok if it’s all ya got it’s better than the roll of toilet paper my old ford tractor uses as the oil filter swear to god that’s what they used to use as oil filters look it up lots of cars trucks n equiptment used it for years I think that’s where the myth stems from cause the roll of tp is known to come apart after along time without changing that’s my take on it for what it’s worth to ya
Dude, watch videos on UA-cam here, where people cut open different brands of oil filters. Fram oil filters are total garbage compared to others. They are made super cheaply compared to other brands. Just because you havent had a problem yet, doesn't mean anything. You are completely clueless.
Under 5,000 miles between filters they are probably fine. There is a video with 5,000 miles on the filter, the cardboard end separated from the pleated filter material. I'll pass.
Ask Honda what they think of fram oil filters. These type video's kill me, nobody seems to compare to a standard or other filters. Just someone's opinion presented as a fact.
The filter you show isn't the Fram filters people complain about. the can filters have a "cardboard" media it's not actually cardboard but you get what I mean.
I think what you are referring to are the end caps that seal off the ends of the filter media. You are correct. Not “cardboard “. It’s actually an engineered fiber and it works just fine, just not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye as metal.
Fram filters are garbage because they're Rusty brand new.... You don't have to take my word for it you can literally go to any auto parts store open up a box with a fram oil filter in it and you will notice moisture and rust. When you're done looking at that one open up another one and realize that that wasn't the
Been using them for quite some time, have 6 of them in my garage no rust on any of them that I have seen - pretty decent filter IMO and not terribly expensive (using ultra synthetic XG8A and XG3980)
I have ben using them for 43 years, never a problem! Put my first one on my first car, a 1972 Ford Galaxy 500 when i was 18. If you do regular oil changes your fine!
You're hearing it now because I just had a repair done on my truck and the mechanic found a broken down oil filter had plugged oil passages and caused lifter failure at 6,000 mi. (10,000 km). The parts store was all out of my usual Fram Tough Guard so I went with the Fram Ultra Synthetic. All within a few days the "Change Oil Soon" light came on, then a slight ticking sound, and then followed by an engine light and a more pronounced knocking sound. I used the Fram oil filter along with 5 quarts of Castrol Edge Dexos 1 Gen 3 oil, and I used 1 quart of the same oil but was Gen 2. Anything I found about the oil said it was okay do mix the two before I proceeded with the oil change
Thank you for this. I’ve been using Fram for many many years and never had one single problem. And you’re right, if they were so bad, there would’ve been a recall to pull them off shelves , stop production, and the company would be forced to identify the issue to the public. And if anybody could “prove” that it damaged their engine, there would be a class action suit against the company. So somebody had it out for Fram when they made this nonsense up. Not to say that they’re perfect. Every company has their flaws and mishaps. But overall that myth was debunked.
I've heard the negative comments about Fram oil filters for years, although I have used Fram oil filters for more than 40 years on all my vehicles and i have yet to have an engine failure, or any issues that would indicate lack of flow or excessive engine wear, nowadays i use the Fram ultra synthetic oil filters!
This is what happens when "influencers" start cutting open oil filters and testing filters by looking at them and no lab testing whatsoever. My almost 40 years of maintaing personal vehicles with the orange can of death with no failures tells me all I need to know. I've had all my engine failures with the coolant system.
I've used tough guard filters for over 50 years. I hear things like the metal is thin, the end caps are cardboard, it blew up my engine...etc. In a lot of cases it was poor maintenance or low oil level so guys are looking for excuses for their stupidity. There is nothing wrong with them. Good info
You said it right on point a lot of this false, misleading, and bad opinion of Fram oil filters is from people that jumped on the bandwagon or neglect their maintenance intervals and oil changes and ran the oil and filters way over the miles it was intended to run
I’ve been using frame oil filters on my ram Cummins for years now and I never had a problem and I already had three trucks but I always use the 20,000 mile standard but will change my oil around 8000 to 9000 miles so far and never had an issue right now I have the Silver color frame that runs 15,000 miles and so far my trucks been doing good
There would be a class action lawsuit by now if the filters were that bad..
About a month ago I was driving home from work and noticed my oil pressure dropping. It went from around 60psi to basically nothing. I stopped and got my truck towed home. I went to oriellys and got a WIX oil filter to replace the Fram "Tough Guard" filter that I put on my engine 1000 miles earlier. Swapped them, started my truck, and oil pressure was normal again. I cut apart the fram to see it was completely collapsed. I got lucky and learned my lesson.
Proof or it didn't happen
Total B.S. 😂😂😂😂
The inside of the filter is just a fabric/paper material. Even if it collapsed the oil could still pass through it. Def gonna need proof
Was a mechanic for many years and never heard of that happening to any filter.
If it did happen you should have contacted Fram as they would want it to see what caused the collapse.
What the O/P didn't say is that he hasn't changed his oil in over 30k!
I've been using the Fram Ultra synthetic in my SUV for years and it is great
Good to know. I take my Chevy to Walmart to have the oil changed and they put on a Fram filter. So far no issues.
If you are taking your Chevy for an oil change at Walmart, you have other things to worry about.
Usually they use their house brand, "supertech"
I've used them for years as well without a problem. Like 30 years. However, there were a group of engineers that did a rough test, and the extra guard let through a lot of contaminants. I'll share the link.
The metal is thinner so you need to be careful if using filter wrench to tighten. Should be hand tightened anyway.
I had a 97 crown vic that would make slight valve train noise on cold starts using a fram. Switched to a motorcraft fl820s with the silicone anti drain back valve and it didn't make noise on start ups. Those filters sit on their side so the oil mite have been draining out using the fram. I've stayed away from the extra guard frams ever since. These days I'm more cautious. I usually use an oe filter if it's constructed well like the motorcrafts or a good quality aftermarket with good construction and with a correct pressure relief valve pressure rating. I like wix filters. They are built well and have silicone anti drain back valves. I'm sure a fram works well most of the time but for me I've lost the trust in some applications so I just stay away from fram all together ☹️
i just put one on and its defective just now leaking like crazy iv done my oil changes since i bought my commander 2010 5.7l
I use FRAM Tough Guard cartridge oil filters on my 13 Camry. No problems in the past 10 years. I have used FRAM Extra Guard filters on my past cars, over the last 40 years 2 VWs, 2 Hondas and 2 Ford F150 Trucks all with no problems. So, like you say FRAm filters are not as bad as they say! Yes they have cardboard end caps, but that part of the filter is not under much stress!
Actually, it’s an engineered fiber end cap, not cardboard or felt or paper or anything else the Fram haters like to claim. And you’re right…not under much stress.
My dad is ASE certified and always recommended Fram. 3000-3500 mile oil changes vs 5000 or 7500 is where you see engine longevity performance differences and less wear and tear.
I don’t use fram any more but used them for years with no problems
I used FRAM filters on a GEO metro with 166K miles. I’m the original owner and have religiously chained my own oil. No issues, but my oil change interval isn’t 10K miles, and I’m not putting it on a heavy duty vehicle.
Fram filters done me well many cars many years
I have previously used Fram filters, which effectively do their intended job: filtering out oil impurities resulting from combustion and engine wear. Merely stating that using them in your vehicles has caused no issues is selective evidence. The definitive test would be to analyze the filter in a laboratory and test the oil. The presence of certain substances in the oil can confirm whether the oil filter is functioning properly. This requires a statistically significant sample of vehicles. To date, I have not encountered a case where a Fram filter alone is responsible for premature engine wear.
I have used them since the 1980's, no problems
I could be wrong, but I thought I heard something about the fram filters restricting oil flow. It might not have even been fram but I heard that somewhere about some particular vehicle.
Hmm not sure on that one, a lot of OEM filters are fram as well.
Proven that Wix advertisements said these accusations against Fram, but there's been nothing proven. You can watch cross section videos of Fram and it's no different than Mobil 1 or K&N
There's no way the auto manufacturers would put up with warranty engine failures caused by FRAM. In the 80s at least one of the manufacturers took Jiffy Lube to court for using substandard oil and won.
I use Honda A02 filter which made by Honeywell and look similar to Fram. I wonder if Honda's version is PH or TG Fram equivalent?
The Honda A02 is a Fram. They have the Honda contract.
I have used FRAM for a few years, they are cheap, last enough to make it to my 3000 miles oil changes and no valve train noises when used as compared with other cheapo filters, however I change my oil at 3000 miles, the filter media in the cheapest FRAM filter is conservative and may have an issue with 10000 miles oil changes but that's when you need buy the correct one for your application FRAM has variations for each applications. I know they are not the best but they work and are cheap enough to make my oil changes be frequent and affordable.
8.5k miles ??? Thats how often the oil gets changed?
Yup! Full synthetic is very good oil.
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Millions upon millions of people have an do use fram filters they do a good job is there better out there yeah of course but fram is ok if it’s all ya got it’s better than the roll of toilet paper my old ford tractor uses as the oil filter swear to god that’s what they used to use as oil filters look it up lots of cars trucks n equiptment used it for years I think that’s where the myth stems from cause the roll of tp is known to come apart after along time without changing that’s my take on it for what it’s worth to ya
Dude, watch videos on UA-cam here, where people cut open different brands of oil filters. Fram oil filters are total garbage compared to others. They are made super cheaply compared to other brands. Just because you havent had a problem yet, doesn't mean anything. You are completely clueless.
Under 5,000 miles between filters they are probably fine. There is a video with 5,000 miles on the filter, the cardboard end separated from the pleated filter material. I'll pass.
Ask Honda what they think of fram oil filters. These type video's kill me, nobody seems to compare to a standard or other filters. Just someone's opinion presented as a fact.
The filter you show isn't the Fram filters people complain about. the can filters have a "cardboard" media it's not actually cardboard but you get what I mean.
I think what you are referring to are the end caps that seal off the ends of the filter media. You are correct. Not “cardboard “. It’s actually an engineered fiber and it works just fine, just not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye as metal.
Fram filters are garbage because they're Rusty brand new.... You don't have to take my word for it you can literally go to any auto parts store open up a box with a fram oil filter in it and you will notice moisture and rust. When you're done looking at that one open up another one and realize that that wasn't the
Been using them for quite some time, have 6 of them in my garage no rust on any of them that I have seen - pretty decent filter IMO and not terribly expensive (using ultra synthetic XG8A and XG3980)
My Fram oil filter broke down and circulated throughout the engine and caused damage
The complaints are for the metal "can" type, You need to cut some up yourself.
I don’t have a problem with the metal can type either. I use them all the time and have never had any issues.
ORANGE FILTERS BAD!!! 😉
Fram ruined my engine youkerp using them grab em st Walmart where you buy other junk
I've used Fram and others for more than 20 years never heard such bs
Same here, on probably 30 different vehicles and have never had any problems
I have ben using them for 43 years, never a problem! Put my first one on my first car, a 1972 Ford Galaxy 500 when i was 18. If you do regular oil changes your fine!
You're hearing it now because I just had a repair done on my truck and the mechanic found a broken down oil filter had plugged oil passages and caused lifter failure at 6,000 mi. (10,000 km). The parts store was all out of my usual Fram Tough Guard so I went with the Fram Ultra Synthetic.
All within a few days the "Change Oil Soon" light came on, then a slight ticking sound, and then followed by an engine light and a more pronounced knocking sound.
I used the Fram oil filter along with 5 quarts of Castrol Edge Dexos 1 Gen 3 oil, and I used 1 quart of the same oil but was Gen 2. Anything I found about the oil said it was okay do mix the two before I proceeded with the oil change