Wow I watch TV on Sundays. Wear dresses above the knees and know several members who are gay. Not sure where you got your information. Church is 2 hours long. Yes, you can have your name removed with no big drama.
Lol bro who u fooling I lived this shit you can’t say it’s not true. They changed it to 2 hrs long recently, and my sister is gay and I know how awfully she was treated. You don’t know shit.
@@ethansmith8463yeah it used to be. She posted this video in 2022 and they changed the length of church in 2019. So she’s either unaware of the changes or purposely lying for clicks. I am an ex member and no longer religious but I also don’t like lies being told to people as truths. If someone watched this video and didn’t know much about this church they would’ve heard half of the video as true things and believed the other half yet it’s be lies or misleading. There are plenty of truths in this clip that are damning to this church she should’ve left out those parts that aren’t true.
Factual Errors: “The Book of Mormon states God curses people of color.” No. There are “people of color” (all people have a melanin count somewhere on a spectrum) who God has not cursed, in the Book of Mormon. If you hate the Book of Mormon it’s because you have decided in advance to hate it, or you’re projecting your bad experience with the church onto the book. Some things (like “women are not allowed to wear pants to church”) are obvious exaggerations. What? A woman in pants will get kicked out of church? That’s just silly. However, I don’t like defending the church since I consider it a corrupt business masquerading as a religion, duping a lot of people.
@@jeffs4483oh and the whole “Joseph Smith married 14 year olds” is highly contested. There’s a whole spectrum of belief ranging from “Joseph Smith was never a polygamist-he was framed by Brigham Young” to “Joseph Smith was a pedophile” and it’s a CHOICE which evidence you will investigate and which conclusion you will come to. I highly doubt this girl has spent more than an hour considering an alternative to the historical narrative of Joseph Smith’s actions peddled by both the Brighamites and the exmormons. I get it-many of us got burned by the church and now we’re angry. We should take some time to heal, but not propagate a false narrative to justify more anger. It sucks to be in Utah around people who think we’re crazy for leaving their “holy cult”, but we’re not crazy. We’ve just been wounded by lies. It’s time to heal.
Not all LDS churches are like this. I’m bisexual, have an active sex life, wear pants, and am a Nondenominational Christian. Where I attend other women have worn pants no problem. Members and missionaries are all very amiable and church only lasts 2 hours unless you wanna stay for activities. I've been attending almost a year, they are always welcoming and don't care I’m not converting nor try to force it on me. We just happily co-mingle and get along. Some LDS churches may be like that but the one I've been at is very kind and nonjudgmental.
@DecemberSfy You're bisexual and have an active sex life. Well, that's not allowed in the Mormon Church. If they were to interview to determine whether or not you're worthy enough to be baptized, they would tell you that you're NOT worthy enough. You will have to be celibate or be in a heterosexual traditional marriage ONLY, if you are to be considered worthy enough to be a member of the Mormon Church. They'll excommunicate a member who's sexually active if they aren't heterosexual and married in a heterosexual marriage ONLY. And of course they're welcoming to you right now. That's because you aren't a member of the Church yet. Things will change drastically once you're a member. As a member the male Bishop (notice only males are allowed to have authority in the Mormon Church -- women are not allowed in the priesthood) will consider it his right to discipline you. ALL Mormon Churches are Dictated to by the HQ in Salt Lake City. You might be attending a ward where the Bishop is more Liberal (might). But once you're a member you'll have to obey the rules or be disciplined. Have you listened to the channel "Mormon Stories"? Lots of Mormons tell of their experiences there. And then they usually get excommunicated for speaking about the abuse they've suffered.
I guarantee if you came out to the members and or bishop that you were bisexual and having premarital sex you would be shamed like no other. Premarital sex is a sin above murder in the LDS religion btw lol. Also up until a few years ago, mormon church service used to be 3 hours long so you are obviously new and don’t know a thing about mormonism🤡🤣
You my friend, have unfortunately made the same mistake this here girl has😂 I’ll give you a hint. Read the Book of Mormon. That’s a great place to start. If you wanna go visit all the slanderous pages and organizations after that, be my guest. But real research starts at the source.
So it is true.. "3 And because my words shall hiss forth-many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible." 2 Nephi 29:3
My landlord went crazy because I received a package and I didn’t get it till two hours later! She called me rude and had the face of evil on her face. That’s when I knew she was faking her lds faith. Her husband told me it’s okay. But just told him I’m not a therapist and she needs it.
@averyjames4623 Literally 😢 my fam ended up in a secret mormon HOA "Fairfield Harbour, NC" they also have control over the court there cant wait to get everything together to sue them all for the shit they did to us i still have all the photos of that house rotting away & them lying claiming it was repaired after hurricane Florence
im a latter day saint. this is either bs or exaggerations. except for the black people not being able to get baptized thing, which was bad and we're all on the same page about that being bad.
Thats how they get you. My grandmother was the best recruiter for the Mormon church, somehow even got my grandfather to convert from being Baptist around the age of 60. They are playing the long game.
Or use critical thinking. People lived and still live without knowlege of a supreme-being idea, they didn't pray for guidance. They used their own body they were born with. Brains are there for a reason. @Keaton42
I said something but had to delete the comments because of arguing. I don't see the point of it but I do know this. I may not want to be a mormon anymore but the remaining ones can still if they want. I'll admit she said some stuff that are just total nonsense. What I only said was that I didn't want to be pressured of not doing certain things on Sundays while I'm at my own house. That's really it.
@@Keaton42 I've been out of the church for years but you sound like someone I once knew. There was a family, they were Mormons and they would offer me to do things with them. Going to sleep over at their house, camping, playing games and toys, even babysit me with respect because most other people in different houses were mean. On the sleep over part they would always pray for me before eating dinner and when I'm about to sleep. When I had parties at church I was hanging out with them. My mom recently told me that when I was 5 years old those Mormons I'm happy with during the Christmas holidays told the fake Santa to go to my house and give me presents and I had a lot. I used to be really happy because they were so nice. But then one day when I was 9 they moved to another state and I felt so sad. Going to church didn't feel the same anymore. I was miserable that they were gone. I never forget those days I've had. About me leaving though I got in trouble for saying I'm going shopping after church. I don't want to say the rest because it got worse but yeah.
I’m not a Mormon but I have been going to a Mormon church for the past few weeks. Aside from everyone being incredibly nice, I’m a female who has worn pants each time. I’ve also seen other women there wearing pants. I heard about a member of the congregation coming out as gay in his testimony and no one seemed too upset about it. Also, I haven’t been asked for even a donation. I just feel like this her experience might not be the same for all the churches. Edit: it’s been several months since I wrote this. I freely admit I was wrong. I appreciate people trying to post important warnings about the Mormon church. I do in fact believe it is a cult and thankfully I am no longer a part of it. After commenting, I did begin to notice that women at the church do not usually wear pants and I was definitely love bombed and manipulated from the start. Please be weary of the Mormon church. There is a lot more to it than meets the eye.
I think this lady is making some of this up but some family’s are different and don’t like drinking tea or coffee on sundays some do and it’s ok, and being gay in the church is awesome we except all!
Uhhhh, she's not making any of this up. Also, Mormons say they accept lgbt people, but that doesn't really match up with the rules and comandents. I'm bisexual and i left the church as soon as i turned 18. @SupercarNdirtbikes
Okay. Before you assume that what she is saying is complete truth, have you done the research for yourself? (I'm not an LDS member. I left when I was 16 because I didn't feel that it was for me.) Read the Book of Mormon, and try to understand what it says before making a judgment call. Joseph Smith, I don't know truly much about, so I can't really say anything on him. But please do research before you assume.
I got chastised by the Stake President for watching television on a Sunday. He overheard me in a private conversation discussing that Sunday night's episode.
Bro this is wild I am morman some of my best friends are black I play video games on Sunday for at least 3 hours I love soda my sister gose to church all of time with pants my church has also said he thinks it is wonderful that we are evolving in the community it bring up women. One think is true and it is that we don’t really support lgbtq 🏳️🌈 community but so don’t all christians and it is not really banned just not supported like my sister that still gose to the church even though she is gay and she loves the church and the outfits is completely false and I have NEVER hear of it btw I am married and you and not required to give 10% it is optional and your not supposed to give any money like allowance if is like an option tax and if you are wondering why would I want to give tithing it gose to people in our ward btw ever year ever church spends thousands of dollars on homeless people and we give it around this money coming from our opinion tithing so tithing is more of a donation and we believe that ANYONE can get into heaven as we do baptisms for the dead for people that never got baptized here on earth and you can expect it if you want or you can not except it and live with satin and with the 100 billion is completely off our leader is not even a millionaire and we use about 80% of the tithing for less fortunate people the other 20% is for water bill and building more churches and yes they try once to bring you back but if you say no then they will forever leave you alone
@@alexisvalere4095 bro don’t asume a whole religion is racist. We aren’t racist, one of our key doctrines mastery scriptures says “Inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female, and he remembereth the heathen and all are alike unto god” -2 nephi 27 :33 Like broskie, and even then we have common human morals on not being racist.
It's called preaching the gospel and EVERY church organization does it in some form. It's not wrong to introduce a new book to someone. We also support free agency.
@@megancofield4435 Yeah I know what it's called. Problem is people do not just introduce someone to the good book, they also try to convert them to their religion. Not in favor of that part.
@@WysteriaGuitar ok but how do you think people find religion then? Part of LDS religion is constantly doing your own gospel study. Part of the teachings Mormon missionaries do it encourage investigators to read everything on their own.
I think she’s confusing her own family’s harsh rules with actual church doctrine. We watch tv, have skirts above the knees, and tithing is, while strongly advised, they won’t kick you out if you don’t comply. This is taken out of context and mainly untrue. Oh and most of the women in my ward are working mothers, that guy was just weird.
Nevermo here. AFAIK not paying a full tithing means you can't get a temple recommend. Which means you can't be at your loved ones' marriage. It's not the same as being kicked out but it's harsh anyway. Are you saying that's not true?
@@trevanon7450 Yes and should you fall ill or lose your job they will give you limited assistance if you are a full tithe payer. No matter you paid 40 years but didn't the last couple of years. I worked with a kind lady with cancer. She was still on chemo and had to work. They would only help her so long and that was limited. She had paid her tithing years and years. It was the beginning of the end of my respect for the church.
You don't need to give the church money to go to heaven. The only thing required is to be baptized and accept Jesus Christ. Oh, and you can get baptized after you die so you won't be locked up in hell for eternity because that would totally be unjust. Also the money is used to build temples and to keep the place tidy. You're not forced to pay tithing, and you will not be kicked out if you don't pay it.
I’m mahmood and muslim but i was raised in an evangelical school but now after learning more about Mormons I believe they are the best. However the girl in this video is just lost I hope she appreciates these things later
i also was yelled at for trying to drink greentea until i talked with the bishop much stuff is messed up from religion but jesus is real and amazing!!!! they stopped hunting people down at least in oregon who want to leave and they made church much shorter i guess but i loved being baptized but they go against scriptures by pressuring 8 year olds to do it because it says dont do it unless a man is ready to die for the gospel and has good understanding right in the scriptures they believe in or say they do and then they pressure 8 year olds into it strange or at least some did
i found out it wasnt one of their beleifs but my dad was confused but then there are certain mormons who are more extreme then others its all crazy @@racoonbreath
@@adorability7 Steven Hassan formost authority on cult has bite model. Behavior,information,thought,emotional controls. Dress,tone of voice,food,time,money,newname? All points to cult
@@adorability7 called word wisdom no hot beverages and only meat in times of need. Truth no coffee,tea,coke products. Brainwashed pick choose then say its caffine. No its cult lol
In the Book of Mormon it is true that God placed a curse on the decedents of Lamen and Lemuel, the Lamanites. That was not cursing the people. It is a nuance. The difference is, that the people as individuals were not cursed/condemns inherently. The curse was that their skin darkened, and in the book of Mormon that is explained to help the early Nephite setters in America to not be drawn away by the Lamanites. In the bible, God often talks about mandating his people not be lead away, marry, have intimate relations sort of deal with people who are not of his religion/faith. That is so that their decedents can more easily be raised in the faith. In most cases he didn't outright make his people isolationists, when that did occur it was for their safety. But we can see God having a more direct hand in helping his people refrain intimate relations to the people in the faith by darkening the Lamanite skins. We see many times in the Book of Mormon where the Nephites were the wicked people and the Lamanites were evil. Some times when they were both good, some times with they were both wicked. So, he didn't curse the people, he placed a curse over their people. There was, unfortunately, practice against black people being able to hold callings or the priesthood for the first while in the church. Kind of like America in general. And black people being able to obtain the priesthood was behind the abolishment of Jim Crow laws by about a 14 years. Jim crow abolishment around 1964 and Black people being able to obtain the priesthood in 1978. So, perfect; no. But improving over time; yes. Just like in the bible. Early on there was animal sacrifice, other practices, we eventually get to the ten commandments. Eventually to Jesus Christ. And through prophets, there are more improvements. It's all about incrementing to become more like God. I will iterate: I do not wholly excuse black people being excluded from obtaining the priesthood. That was wrong. You can understand that just because Jim Crow laws were abolished doesn't mean racism ended. Maybe it just took until the next generation to obtain the people more tolerant (like Moses/Joshua an the wall of Jericho(?), the older generation blasphemed and the newer generation became the ones able to progress God's people). So, are non-white people cursed? No! Not as a rule. Are black people cursed? No. Were there black people in the early church? yes, but it took until 1978 until they could be ordained with the priesthood; it sucks it took that long. But, one of the articles of faith talks about obeying the laws of the land, and the church is still run by people; people who at the time had it ingrained in law and culture that blacks were to be discriminated against in some fashion or another. So, like America can still be a wonderful country even with Slavery and Jim Crow in it's history; America over came those and can be great; and the LDS church has overcome much of it's transgressions and is in a continual process of progression.
I don't know what happened, I had an initial reply, but it seems to have disappeared, so this is slightly out of order, but I will re-comprise part 1 here (sorry if you saw elsewhere): I am a member of the LDS church. I do not begrudge you for you doing what you believe is reasonable. No hate, anger, etc. I do believe that this begets a response; continue to believe as you find reasonable. No hate or malice. I do invite you to consider what I say and the LDS church with an open heart. Again, continue to "you do you". Here's my thoughts.: The LDS church is often called a cult. The Master classes has an article explaining what a cult is, and that an organization becomes a cult for following four principles. those principles are (quoting from the article): "Authoritarian control: Cultism hinges on encouraging maximum dependency. People in the cult must feel incapable of living an individual life outside the norms of the group. These beliefs often go hand in hand with a worshipful attitude toward the group’s authoritarian leader. Extremist beliefs: Cult members hold to very dogmatic and extreme beliefs. They also are unable to question these belief systems without fear of reprisal or punishment from the leader or other group members. Isolation from society: As soon as new members join a cult, other adherents work hard to isolate them from family members and friends. This helps fulfill the mind control aspirations of the leader. It also creates a hive mind of sorts between the new person and the other members. Veneration of a single individual: Charismatic leaders are often at the center of most cults. Consider the Manson family of the late 1960s. As their name suggests, they adopted the beliefs of their leader, Charles Manson, and fulfilled his requests. The same pattern repeats in almost all other cults, albeit to less violent ends in many cases." Authoritarian control: AKA, dependency. There are multiple types of dependency. Let's cover those. Spiritual dependency: Like any Christian church, there is a spiritual dependency. So, if this were a sign of being a cult, every Christian church would be a cult. there is a broad understanding that not every Christian church is a cult, so this cannot be a measure of a church being a cult. Also, the dependency is more on God through Jesus Christ. The church is the most complete way to become like them as they mandate. Also, the church has developed a lot of sources that make one less dependent on them. Such as the free availability on the book of Mormon, the Come Follow me series of self study books, and other publications. Now, they are still publications in the church, but they allow people to commit self-study of doctrine and come to their own realizations and conclusions. I have heard hundreds of people give talks and incite in church; and not once have I head a church leader stand up and be like "That's objectively wrong, this is the belief." So, that is a level of spiritual independence from the church. And, in as much as we are spiritually dependent, so are other churches. Physical dependency: We all work to get paid to provide for ourselves. My dad pays for the house; not the church. The church has events where food and water and utilities are provided; but such things are not provided to an extent nearing the development of dependency. Debunked. Intellectually: I go to a very not LDS run collage, when to public school (separation of Church and state), I watch a lot of informational content on UA-cam, use Boot.dev which I don't think is LDS run programing lessons, I use audible and have a few nonfiction books, the minority by far of which are by LDS sources. Socially: Most of my time is spent around non-LDS people, such as at church. I know a lot of people who have mostly LDS friendships, that's not inherent. I don't think I've ever had a close LDS friend group. All my truly close friends were non-LDS. I live in Utah. So, no. Financially: You later mention tithing. We give 10% of earnings to the church. Like I said in the physical section, we provide for ourselves. (there are times where the church helps, but those are exceptions and short term, my dad in like 30+ years of house payments got help for like 3 months. that is not financial dependency). So, on all accounts, dependency is debunked. Extremist beliefs: There's a saying like "A cultists don't usually know they are in a cult." So, I will recognize that you may take my opinion with a grain of salt. Still, I believe I reasonably consider our beliefs to not be extreme. The Catholics are sudo-canniblis for believing they eat/drink the literal body and blood of Christ consistently (that's not to knock Catholics. If you believe that, I think you can do so reasonably, I am using it as a point of comparison with no mal-intent). That seems at least as extreme as anything I know in the LDS church. Again, I'm within "the system" so you may reasonable think that I just don't see how I hold extreme beliefs. Still, there is a second part to this pillar. I am very capable of questioning my beliefs and systems of belief. I do not have fear of reprisal or punishment. Particularly on a "systematic" level; AKA, even if reprisal or punishment came, it would be more of a social awkwardness than an official action on the church's behalf. So, this pillar. Debatable debunked, but at least not proven. Isolation: We have LDS.org which freely and openly shows just about all LDS church literature. We have the common saying "Be in the world but not off the world." We still hold regular jobs. We send out missionaries. We invite all to come unto Christ. You can come to our church meetings anytime (please remain respectful during attendance, thank you). Official you tube channels. Our General Conference held twice a year is freely accessed on LDS.org (including a backlog), and even on UA-cam, and great efforts are put in place to translate into numerous languages, including American sign language. So, no, we are not isolationists. Touchingly debunked. Veneration of a single individual: We do not venerate the leader of the church. We appreciate his role and efforts in bringing about the revelations from God. But he is still a man. He serves in the first presidency and on the quorum of the twelve apostles, so in no place does he act as the sole leader of the church. Like Jesus Christ said in the pre-mortal life "All glory be given unto thee [God]." Like the point with the spiritual dependency. Any veneration we hold would be for God. Thus, if veneration for God is a basis for being a cult, then any Christian church is a cult. Since that is not the case. it is not a basis for the LDS church to be a cult. Thus, since we do not hold any veneration for a non-God entity, especially not a single individual, Veneration of a single individual is debunked. Thus, at worst you can argue only one of the pillars is at all applicably to the LDS church. Since it takes all, or to be lenient at least 3/4, the LDS church given the worst possible perspective is only 1/4, it is far from being arguable that the LDS church is a cult (I also find that the most reasonable view would be that, even if the church has extreme beliefs, that the openness to question them still debunks that pillar, that the most reasonable view is 0/4).
Something is seriously censoring part of my post. I'm trying to explain what the pillars are that set an institution apart as a cult, but I have written and posted that twice in this comment chain, and it has been removed each time. I guess I will make a video response and hope that doesn't get censored the same way. No anger or malice to anyone about this, but I think I shouldn't be censored for trying to provide a calm and reasoned argument for my position: The LDS church is not a cult. According to knowing what the Master Classes and actual doctrine of the church. again, I'll try to get to a video response on my channel regarding that stuff (still in works, but I think I finally found the name I want for it).
Church is 3 hrs long, and you're not allowed to do anything else on sundays: 1) You may freely and without social or church action consequence not attend church on any given sunday. I have had a few long strings of not going for no particular reason, and I am in no way penalized by my peers for it. I have taken mobile games, writing for books and stuff, drawing and other activities into church. And I play video games, watch tv and other things on sunday. So, she is presenting it as an absolut authoritarian situation. It is not. One of God's commandments is to keep the sabbath day holy. So, if that is a detriment to the LDS church, it is the same for every other Christian Church. However, if you are to attend church, it would be optimal to have a focus on church. If you go to a movie, and listen to music and do sodoku the entire time, you don't get a lot out of the movie. So, you can do other things at church, but that doesn't fulfill your purpose in being at church. The same goes for Sunday as a whole. It is a day to relax and re-fortify in faith. It is a day to be kept reverent. That will not be best accomplished by watching Deadpool on repeat the entire day. Instead, the purpose of Sunday, in a Christian context, is best accomplished via prayer, scripture study, wholesome family time, and other reverent means. So, 1) not unique to the LDS church. 2) The LDS church is not authoritarian and you can "you do you," but 3) the LDS church invites you to attentively attend church and keep the sabbath holy because those are the best ways to accomplish their purpose.
Caffeine: there is the word of wisdom that prohibits it. Yeah, it's always been strange that sodas are precluded. There's a lot of articles or studies arguing that coffee is healthy. That hasn't been something I have had time to study. from my experience, I function better not reliant on caffeine (MNT Dew). So, I have accepted the Word of wisdom and don't drink This is a personal thing. But I have two markers, two tests for is something is immoral. One of which is that if something reduces agency (is an addition//overly reliant on something)) then it is immoral (in the beginning, God gave mankind three great gifts: Life, agency, and a way through repentance to return to God. That's not explicit doctrine, not something I was taught, more of just a hypothesis, an observation I have (to call them great gifts, it is provable that we have life and agency, and our faith is predicated on a way to return to God)). Since it is one of the "Great Gifts", things or actions that sully agency are/is immoral. Pornography is addictive, I can reduce people's agency, make them feel dependent on it. So, it is immoral. This will include Soda or sugar addition, alcohol, drugs, tea and coffee, which are substances that more recent literature the church has posted on the subject of the word of wisdom have included. Maybe it's not an issue with tea and coffee specifically, maybe it's an issue with addictive consumed substances. Tea and coffee get more focus because they were around at the time of the initial revelation, and because the text of the original revelation is so ingrained it's been hard to update it to include the further substances, particularly the ones people became fond of in youth.
About Women doing a dis-service by getting a job: It's is perfectly acceptable for women to have jobs. But, if avoidable, which is becoming ever less viable, it is sub-optimal. The basic social unit is the family. That is a father and a mother. The mother's role is to nurture and care for children. The father's role is to protect, provide, and preside. The father is submissive to God, the mother is submissive to the father (she is still fully an entity, being submissive doesn't make her a slave or mean she doesn't have a voice. It means, since the father protects, provides, and presides, that the mother trusts him to fulfill his duty to the family, and he has the final say in many matters. The mother still gives her input, has her voice heard, to give the father additional reason and perspective to consider. However, a ship with two captains trying to sail it in different directions at the same time will not end well. A household needs a person with final say, which is placed on the father; not because the mother is less, but because God gave that duty, and direct obligation to God in that matter (that the father must be held accountable for) and gave that duty to the father). (Another part is that men are more disposable biologically speaking, that's why on average more of them are born than girls; and they get the more dangerous jobs in the family dynamic. Providing food used to be a whole lot more dangerous. They are more disposable not because men are inherently trash, but there's the thought experiment: If you have 10 men and 1 women, or 10 women and 1 man, in which scenario are you more capable of repopulating). Tangent aside. Women are not precluded from working. But it is sub-optimal because the children need people to raise and educate them. They also need good examples of men and women (So that boys know what to emulate in their fathers and look for in women, and girls know what to emulate in their mothers and look for in men). And they need the care and support, best offered by mothers. additionally, in general women in the workforce will earn the median/average wage. This article (finance.yahoo.com/news/much-economists-stay-home-moms-130001098.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACe6fawnsP0Ai9Xm_aaSGYmFK92OlJ_OhyZ5_ozLpSixmsyReh6ON3U2rRk_6gH0E69qu5oUzJHHKaUAmBd9QPty95Tbbli-x0o0HKRHb4QZCYNUpgbB4jTkf0JWzTVCuVzK7BdDzl1eHbDWwv759YXEXZ-lifLXp9_v88_mNmgA) sites figures that say that stay at home moms, by maintaining all the different chores/work/jobs of being a mother; that if those tasks were outsourced would cost between $125,000 to $185,000 thousand a year. Restated to try to make my point intelligible. Stay at home moms do the work that if outsourced would cost between $125,000 and $185,000. Instead, they are encouraged to give that up and earn the median wage (what? between $50,000 and $60,000 a year, and in addition have to pay for child support?). So basically, in general the obtain greater personal fulfillment, essentially earn between two to three times as much money a year, and create a strong family by being a stay at home mom. So, yeah, you can go work, all power to you. But there are legitimate arguments that it's sub-optimal.
Alright first off we don’t curse people or color We didn’t allow people of color to hold position but they could worship but was a mistake that’s why its not a thing anymore. Joseph actually had 40 wife’s some of which were 14 but polygamy is very discouraged nowadays There’s literally no dress code so all people can come what are you talking about You can do other things on Sunday’s it’s discoraged to buy stuff or do thing that require the service of employed people. And they don’t like it if you work on Sunday but otherwise who cars also 2 hours Your right no coffee or tea mainly because of caffeine and coffee is more addicting then coke that’s why That talk that guy gave suprised me but trust me one guys words aren’t the entire church’s Yes bishops and other leader can ask you to give testimony and talks BUT YOUR ALLOWED TO SAY NO WITH NO PUNISHMENT Banning rainbow flags doesn’t mean no gay people it’s probably about the propaganda but you can be a gay and go to byu Yeah we do think the holy land is in Utah the Missouri thing the church doesn’t push out anymore so I think it was a honest mistake You always have to wear certain under where. and special cloths are always required for temples There not gonna point a gun to your head or kick you out if you don’t but it is highly encouraged All of things the church owns and has shares in are to get more money and most of the money goes to the member of the church a lot of which is very charitable like helping men ever who can’t afford a meal they take care of there members No they don’t it’s a just chance you live in a high missionary area also you can ask to get your records removed no quitmormon.com Sorry for long comment
Bro are you the prophet to make all these bold claims? You don’t know that the skin color thing was a mistake. You also don’t know why we can drink coke but not coffee. Say what you know instead of telling what you feel or understand.
@@PastGens Nothing about religion is know. Since the time I wrote this comments I’ve learned a ton. I don’t think that things like that are mistakes anymore instead I think god needed them to happen to get to the circumstances the church is at today. The coke but no coffee thing your right I don’t know, but the church hasn’t told us so I’m left up to find the most logical conclusion. Your right I’m no prophet but that doesn’t mean I can’t hold my own opinions on why we do what we do or can’t be knowledgeable enough to answer tough questions.
@@cooperrichards2434 No sorry if I sounded rude, basically my point is that you probably should have specified that this is not known doctrine. That's all.
Is it not weird to anyone when your faith evolves to meet current societal norms even though their God is incapable of making mistakes? Good example of this is the relationship with people of color and the Mormon church. Like, really? Mormom Jesus just decided one day in 1978 that this isn't ok anymore?
Funny how the Mormon robots won't touch this comment but are trying to troll me on others with vague retorts and bullshit religious text references. I'm not your problems Mormon's, you guys walking around and trying to convince each other "this is the true church, I know because I've gone to a few different Christian churches and 0 Jewish, Muslim, insert any other religion here church, I KNOW THIS IS THE TRUE CHURCH!"
I love when Mormons don't know their own damn history and yet come on public message boards to defend their faith. Makes me feel so damn good, I know its petty, but I despise how condescending and holier than thou they have become as a faith.
Ok, as a current latter-day saint and someone who likes to learn about history of the church I will try to explain some of the issues you seem very concerned about. Yes, it’s true that people of color, more specifically black and African American members weren’t allowed to receive leadership roles (some of which I can’t really explain because it’d take too long) in the past. Even though it is said to be a command from our Heavenly Father or God, I believe (and other members too) that this was done by leaders to adhere to beliefs from those times when segregation and racism was sadly very common. Maybe they were just personal beliefs, you know how people can be, even if they are called by God to lead and preach. And we see that happening in scripture too. Anyways, that can be the case now too. We see leaders changing “rules” or more often recommendations really, to be more adapted to these times. Yes, it can be odd even for members, but at the end of the day it is the individuals that decide what to do and not. Yes we are told to listen to our leaders and prophets, but you also need to learn to identify what is to be done and not according to what you have learned (hopefully) from scriptures etc. Also, it really is about “feeling” which church you believe is the real one out of the millions out there, and actually, there are resources for members and non members if you’d like to learn about religions like Islam. I could find you some links if you’d like. Besides, leaders of different churches and our church meet in conferences and other types of meetings to learn about each others differences and similarities and help people around the globe regardless of religious beliefs. The point is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER and live a rightful life that you can benefit from. Again, I could find some resources if you’d like to learn more, I apologize for not being able to give you detailed information. Overall, just believe in what you want to, we believe that you are here on earth to learn and make your own decisions as you see best fit. I believe in the church because yes, it makes me feel good and I’ve received so much from God and members alike. I’m glad to be a member and I hope that you guys don’t waste your time if you really don’t want to but just try out different things and religions. There’s something for everyone out there. Thank you for reading all of that if you did. I hope to have explained well as English isn’t my first language. Take care
From the beginning Jesus preached marriage between one man and one woman. There are examples of polygamy in the Old Testament but this was certainly not mainstream after Christ. Mormon doctrine promoted racist and polygamist ideology that they later went back on after “new revelations.” This is absurd to me because you can’t have new revelations when politically/socially convenient.
- Thousands of years ago, doesn’t apply today at all - Anyone worthy can hold a position in the church - At the time, everyone was a polygamist, no matter your religion, you had thousands of people as a polygamist - Men and women can wear anything they want. As long as it’s not insanely inappropriate (as in showing privates) - Church is actually 2 hrs long and you can do whatever you want on Sundays, it’s just to your best judgement - Nobody forces you to not drink certain things, we just don’t like those things as much that do badly to your body - Exactly, nobody forces you to do anything - I don’t think you’ve been to byu and we just follow the scriptures and what’s normal - Utah is the holy land bc that’s where the pioneers settled - The underwear and outfits just aren’t true, but we do have garnments which are optional to wear. They are just a reminder to keep our bodies clean - Again, tithing is optional, no, kids do not usually pay it, and we believe everyone gets into heaven almost no matter what (you have to be as bad as satan or hitler or Cane to get into hell) - Revenues literally go to building churches and temples to bring people to Christ, to save them - We do not own any of those things actually, I mean I guess we do have a couple small museum type things - If you tell the missionaries you don’t want them to come, they will not come, and they will not not lie or do anything you told them not to. They are like the best people
@@The_worst_alchamists It's okay man, don't even argue with them, just let them laugh like Lamen and Lemuel. After all the truth was never something that was easy to swallow for most people.
You will deny it's practiced, of course, however it's core to LDS doctrine to this day. You just believe it will be practiced in the next life when you get own planets.
A lot of people stop believing suddenly which is fine, but then they decide it's time to do everything in the world they were told was wrong before, which just shows you how small minded they are. If they actually believed anything they were taught, such as not doing drugs, they wouldn't just suddenly decide to do drugs now that they aren't Mormon. It's hilarious to watch and they don't even realize their own hypocrisy and actually will still judge Mormons for being hypocritical.
Well, not exactly, we baptize for the dead, as in we baptize someone on behalf of a person that did not have the ability to be baptized, and it says in the Book of Mormon that we will be like god and you should really read it, it’s amazing
True Jesus Christ loves everyone as those who you see are people worth enough for Christ to have died for. But let’s remember that He is also just and will punish you if you do not obey Him. I’m just saying that because when you say that Jesus will love you no matter what kinda makes it sound like you can eat, drink and be merry and still live with God again when that is completely untrue of course. Jesus Christ is the way and if you don’t choose that way you will be cast out. Note that punishments help us learn and proves God’s love for us.
@@bobleeswagger474 I promise they do and will. There are millions of people. Get out and get involved in things with other people. You just need to meet the right ones.
All of this is true. I was never Mormon myself but I went to a Mormon church (because the people Mom and I rented from are Mormon)once and it was 3 hours long. I was 8. I never went again though. I never knew at the time it was a cult but I was very averse to it. Thankfully I was rightfully averse to it. I remember the day of the week I bought Super Mario 3d Land. It was on a Sunday. I remember specifically Mom telling me not to tell them that we went out and bought it on a Sunday. Now I didn’t have to live as a Mormon thankfully. But I saw this up close and in person for a long time. Those Mormons are still family friends and I hope and pray they come to Christ one day.
I agree with you, one reason why Christianity gets ridiculed is because of this sect… most people who leave faith (Christianity) are mostly in the Protestant sect, don’t take my word for it even statistics show it. I pray you research about the Catholic/Orthodoxy faith, cause it’s more theological and philosophical, even tho people make it seem it ain’t, if anything people make it seem like it has a Mormonistic vibe, but if anything it’s more than that
HELP. I have someone mormon in my family, and they will get extremely mad if i mention anything about its culty behavior. Its not their fault though, they grew up with it and were fed false information. I need some help breaking the truth subtly to them. Please!
I refused to go at 12. the next week they told me the elders suggest they lock me in my closet with a bucket for my business. they got away with that for a grand total of one time. I was a lot tougher than they thought. Dont even get me going on femalely home evening. I do wish I could still have my own galaxy and planet though. Oh well my Aussie would most probably stage a take over and run the realm and he would get all the babes like always.
I know satanic luciferian lie that they come up with its Smith made out of his ass again part of making a cold as you use basic stuff in your twisted and overtime people fall for it and then you get away with making more stuff and you're mentally ill in fabricating nonsense that goes against anything it's actually basic religion or actually good sacred texts Etc. Satanists Smith was a satanic scammer and you got away with it.
That's a horrible experience! I'm really sorry for the way you were treated. That is totally unfair, and the people who treated you that way should not be considered a member or hold any preisthood
Andrea and oatmeal. You forgot to mention one thing about the Mormon church. You ever heard of the Mormon meadow massacre. Where Brigham Young had general Lee take out 130 settlers. They bury them in one big pit
I find it interesting that all these messages have one major thing in common. What is it? They never use the real name of the church but rather its nickname. Hummmm
@@Angelsbliss818 Mormons read another book by Mormon and read the bible if you view the fruits of the church aswell it's against certain parts in the bible, some have more than one wife
@@choclate_forbideneyelash Mormon didn't create the book, it's a record of past events, written by many different people. Polygamy is against our religion, it literally goes with our doctrine that spiritual marriage is through Man and Woman. Also explain which parts are against the bible, I'm curious.
I know for a fact that the book of Mormon is true. The audible voice of God shook me to the bone & told me to "deny not the Holy Spirit". I was talking to God, & telling Him that I thought I had "graduated religion". Meaning, I wasn't sure if I needed religion anymore. I was a bit confused at the time to say the least. I had already felt the Holy Spirit & had a burning in my bosom many, many times before. God had already testified to me by the Spirit. The warmth in my chest I felt in that moment wasn't unfamiliar. It was the burning fire of the Holy Spirit, a clear message, a familiar confirmation that resonated deeply. Undeniable. I was shown that: Joseph Smith's vision of God the Father & Jesus Christ standing together in the air was true. The Book of Mormon wasn't just any book; it was the very word of God. And the temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints weren't mere buildings, but sacred houses of the Lord, where families & couples could be eternally bound together. What other evidence did I need? By the mercy & Grace of God, I heard His voice. I will never deny it. And I will proclaim & declare it forever. Jesus Christ is the Living God. He is my Savior. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He will return to rule and reign on this earth. The Book of Mormon AND the Bible will help us draw even closer to him. I promise this is true. We must repent & have faith in Him. I share this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Ex-Mormon here. This video is full of “misinformation” as people do say nowadays. I’m all about exposing the lies we’re were fed in our childhood and adolescence. That being said, I am not in favor of a minute-and-half long video of “exposing Mormonism “ with half truths. Congrats on taking the very 2023 approach of race and sexual orientation to get some likes. Too bad you literally missed the 10,000 other points of doctrinal fallacies. We’ll let someone explain that knows about it, how about that?
0:01 It’s not a cult, it’s a church that has it’s own religions. 0:07 so you didn’t want to make a promise with god to extent your loving relationship about your religion with other people? 0:12 also, there is a verse in the Book of Mormon where god loves everyone equally. 0:28 just today, I saw a woman with pants at my church. She actually has a very hood calling for the church, and has many spiritual things happen to her. 0:31 you are allowed to do things on Sunday, but some things are restricted due to the day being sacred to the religion. Sunday’s are meant for everyone to love and get together with their families. There are many activities you can do on sundays as well. It’s mostly just sports and shopping that aren’t really good to do, but you have the complete right to do them. You can watch TV as well, by the way. 0:35 coffee and tea are things I didn’t understand very well, but I like to ignore them because either way they are bad for you can don’t seem much of a problem. By the way, coffee and tea can be very addictive. 0:43 that was very rude and unwise of him. 0:51 so you didn’t want to give a talk in the church because you didn’t want too? Uhm. As a Mormon giving a talk is one of the most incredible things that I can possibly feel. It makes my heart happy since I can feel the love of the spirit. 0:55 yes, Adam and Eve are a perfect example of not being gay. Being gay means that you cant have children. While the opposite means you can live with your family. Also, I wouldn’t recommend going to BYU if you feel this way. 0:58 what’s wrong with that? Either way, the second coming is when we all migrate to Missouri. 1:02 yes, garments. It’s a loving way of showing your relationship with your religion. Besides, they seem very comfortable, and I’m only 14. 1:07 giving your tithing is meant for the restricted people who are disabled. The 10% money members donate if to help the lives of others. I’m 14, and I’m a kid. Giving 10% of the 10 dollars I have isn’t something horrible. 1:26 hunt you down? Serving a mission isn’t forcing people to believe in their religion. Instead we leave it optional but try to teach it to you.
You're only 14 so you probably do mean well, but mormonism is something devised from the pit of hell. I deeply wish for you to find the true love of our God and savior Jesus Christ and will be praying for your redemption. God bless 🙏
Okay half of this is so wrong lol we can wear any dress we want but we wear dresses so that the whole experience feels more holy and lets us feel like we are looking good in a place of god! We have many gay people in our church and we love them! The reason why we have so much money is because we pay tithing and that is used to build temples, give to charity, and to save in case of an emergency! Also talking bad about Joseph smith and him having a lot of wives doesn’t make sense! That was a normal thing for that time period and sure he made a lot of mistakes but he also repented for those mistakes also god and Jesus forgave him! (Church is also now 2 hours and u don’t even need to stay the whole time!) we also love every religion and never want to make others feel bad about being in that religion because everyone has the right to believe in what they want to! The last think is that we can’t have coffee or tea just like how some religion can’t have meat! It might not make sense, but it’s just a rule that some people follow! And your not required to follow it! Everything is just what you feel is moral between you and god! I love u guys all so much and I hope this cleared some stuff up!
It is partly bs. Temples are the holy land for God, but a lot can be found in Utah. Nowhere does it say that Utah is the holy land. The only true holy land is in heaven, but here on Earth, temples are the closest we can get.
With all due respect ma'am, I may not be Mormon, but I am a born again christian myself, but The bible did not support lgbtq cuz it was said in Leviticus 18:22 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, that's not me who said that, it was God Himself,
Except it wasnt "god himself" it was a council of old geezers who got together to decide what would be included in the bible. 🙄 christianity is literally made up from stolen bits of other older religions. The bible is pretty much just choc full of cultural appropriation. Nothing of christianity is original to that religion 😒
Go sister. I have my own experiences with Mormons. I just retired from a large police department down south and was thinking about moving to Vernal Utah. Just two days prior to this post I was in Vernal and was talking to a Mormon about how beautiful Vernal was. My mouth dropped when he stated that they didn't want my kind down there. I'm assuming he was being racist due to my Hispanic heritage or maybe he is just an asshole but I have never had an experience like that. I saw red at that point but continued to be polite. Let's just say I'm headed back to Oklahoma next month. I can't believe the big 12 let BYU into our conference.
There is a difference between LDS and Mormons Mormons don't take the church all that seriously and try to fool God so they think they can get away with anything. LDS on the other hand they take the church seriously and want to teach other people about the gospel and try thier best to be kind
@@ralphwiggam7630 GOD the Eternal FATHER, and HIS WIFE, GODDESS, our beloved HOLY Eternal MOTHER knows, your endless excuses, lies, due to your extreme rebelliousness and lack of knowledge, of the only, TRUE CHURCH, that started in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE. You left the CHURCH, and that's your agency, but you can't leave the CHURCH alone?
@@VAATAUSILI4139 Why are you here attacking people? Making deceitful, untrue straw-man arguments? You have no "truth" to stand on, so you immediately start to make personal attackks ... I no longer attend because I am tired of all the liies ... you don't even know what you have been liied to about ... Everything you think you know about our doctrine and history is nothing but a fabrication ... sorry ... but I doubt you are even aware ...
@@VAATAUSILI4139 I didn't find out the truth until AFTER I came home from a 2-year mission and getting married in the temple ... Why don't we teach the truth about the fabrication that is the "Book of Abraham"? Why don't we advertise that that Joseph actually had NINE totally different, even contradictory versions of his "first vision? Why don't we admit the truth about the temple? Or that less than a month after himself becoming a 33rd Degree Mason, Joseph created our own "endowment"? Why aren't we honest about our "signs and tokens" being EXACT COPIES of masonic handshakes? Why don't we advertise that the modern "church" holds over $200 BILLION DOLLARS of stocks and bonds? Why don't we ever warn people that Joseph was a viile phedofiile, and married over 34 women, including multiple 14yhearrolldchiilldren, other men's wives, and mother-daughter sets? You see ... I found out that I was liied to ... and stopped attending ... literally zero "siins", "excuses", or anything else ... I just don't like being liied to ... sorry ...
@@ralphwiggam7630 if you want to leave the church don't feel ashamed about it because in the church's lore after the end we will all dwell in the three kingdoms of heaven unless your a satin worshiper (nice name BTW)
I do not know if these are true or not, but I do know that Mormonism is wrong. I do know the Book of Mormon is false, but we can’t spread hate. Let me tell you that Jesus Christ loves you. I encourage you to read the Bible from time to time. I pray you find Jesus in the end. Jesus loves you.
i kind of feel bad watching this because she used the words “you can’t” more than 20 times. mormons can do whatever they want. sometimes they choose not to do things that distract them from god. being mormon is not about following rules!!! being mormon is about believing that joseph smith was a prophet of god. everything else is just christian.
You folks don’t get it. Joseph Smith really did see God the father and Jesus Christ in a simple answer to prayer. John the Baptist , Peter , James and John came too. The sealing power is again on the earth and prophets and apostles now guide His church. I KNoW this is true. All this other junk is just accusatory fog.
Let's weigh the amount of evidence in order to make a good determination. 1) Joseph Smith did not tell anyone he had seen God the Father and Jesus Christ, and it wasn't until 1838 that he had his scribe write it down -- years after the claimed event. Assistant Church Historian Dr. James B. Allen wrote an article in 1966 saying that "none of the available contemporary writings about Joseph Smith in the 1830's, none of the publications of the Church in that decade, and no contemporary journal or correspondence yet discovered mentions the story of the first vision...." The first time Joseph Smith told of his First Vision it was 1832 when he said it was a visitation of "the Lord" who told him his sins were forgiven. He said (and he wrote in his own handwriting) "I saw the Lord." Joseph Smith did not say he saw the Father. Then in 1835 he dictated an account to his scribe, Warren Parrish, who wrote it in Joseph Smith's 1835-6 Diary. In this account Joseph says "A pillar of fire appeared above my head,...a personage appeared in the midst of this pillar of flame which was spread all around, and yet nothing consumed, another personage appeared, he said unto me 'thy sins are forgiven thee, he testifyed [sic] unto me that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; and I saw many angels in this vision." Joseph did not claim these personages were the Father and the Son until 1842. Even the Deseret News did not say Joseph Smith had seen the Father and the Son. In 1852 they published the church's account of Joseph Smith First Vision, where they said Joseph had given an account of his "first Visitation of Angels, which was when I was about fourteen years old..." It was not until Joseph Smith CHANGED his theology away from a Trinitarian viewpoint over to a belief that God and Jesus were personages of separate bodies that Joseph Smith began to claim he saw the Father and the Son. His accounts of the First Vision did not start until 1832 when he wrote down one account saying he "saw the Lord." In 1832 he still believed in the Trinity. He gradually changed his theology until 1842 when he developed the idea that God the Father and Jesus were 2 separate persons. The story regarding Peter, James and John coming to visit was concocted much later. In fact Joseph never even gave a date, month or year when Peter, James and John supposedly visited. You'd think he would have remembered that!!!! Date unknown, is all we know. Also this newly developing theology conflicts with Joseph Smith's earlier theology. Notice Joseph Smith has a Prophet state in the Book of Mormon that the dead will not rise until the Second Coming (Alma 40:2). So how could the resurrected Peter, James, and John have physically appeared to Joseph Smith? These glitches (and there are many more) are evidence that Joseph Smith concocted these stories, just as he concocted the Golden Plates, and the story of Moroni, who in the earliest accounts is named as being "The Prophet Nephi." And you KNOW this is true? How? Because you have a "feeling." The followers of Jim Jones (People's Temple) *also had a strong witness from God* that Jim Jones was God's spokesman. And they were willing to die for this testimony! And they did die for it. Are you claiming that YOUR testimony is the only valid one, and everyone else who has a witness about a faith that conflicts with yours is incorrect? Of course that is your claim. The *Followers of Heaven's Gate all testified of the Truthfulness* and warm witness from God they had of their faith. FEELINGS are NOT TRUTH. The Truth is found by having EVIDENCE to back it up. There is NONE for Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. WAKE UP before it is too late!
Some are actually not true I'm a very active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints and through all my experience I didn't experience anything like sadness , loneliness and badness all of the other members are very nice when it's your first time going to our church the people act like you really belong there as if you have been there for like years so don't hate our religion because LDS members are very nice people ❤❤❤❤
mormonism reminds me of islam, which at one point was also considered heretical Christianity. mohammed also had many wifes, he had 11. (one of mohammeds wifes was 6.) both mohammed and smith got their revelation from an "angel" (galations 1-8-12 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! As we have.)
LDS is not like Islam. Islam comes from the same family of Jewish and Christianity. Ishmael and Isaac the brothers, one became Muslim and the other Jewish….LDS is from Joseph Smith.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 the more I learn every day about islam the more I see contradictions with the bible , and allah doesn't have the same description and mentality as god in bible
@@haydenhodges34 imagine leaving LDS because rainbow flags are banned. thats literally against ALL religions LOL. every time I've watched one of these videos the people leaving always do it for the pettiest of reasons
I am a current practicing member. A lot of this is technically correct (at least the base of what is being discussed, not her comments about it) but a lot of it is pretty wrong or personal choice. I love my religion. Everyone has their choice to oppose it. I just feel sorry and hope everyone the best. It is sad to see how much deception comes from former member though. I don’t believe it’s purposeful deception, but it is sad to see.
There are these two mormon missionaries I see sometimes when I go running. They bug me sometimes, but they keep thier distance from me because of my appearance. Lol I am heavily tattooed and I'm very ain't Social. Lol
I hate defending this church but you’re lying. They are not the majority shareholder of this company. You clearly don’t understand how “even more rich” they would be if they were the majority shareholder of this company.
I'm a Mormon and I'm also 16 years old. Wherever you went to church they must have not been following the basic guidelines. I go to church in Maryland and are LDS church is nothing similar to that. I'd never even seen those outfits and I have personally gone in the temple for Sealings. Let's try to not spew exaggerated and false information just because you got upset along the way.
Oh honey, I thought the same thing before going through the temple. They keep the full truth from you until the day of your endowments. “Sacred, not secret.” And by then, it’s too late. Get out while you still can.
😂😂 oh Joseph your already lost , I live in snowflake Az and there is a temple here all the crazy stories that happen inside the temple alone from family friends and family that left the church and tell the truth it’s not a church it’s a cult!!! Those long ugly white underwear are funny to see. I have slept with a few married women that have to wear those things all the time and omg 😂 there funny looking. Plus every 10 yrs or so they change something about the church and in there scriptures for the new generation , like blacks not being able to go to church to how many wives they can have and so on an so on. If it was truly gods words they would never have to change anything. Go Learn about the Mormon murders 😢 that is crazy and the assassination attempt on Joseph smith from Brigham young 😂😂😂 it’s all nutz
@@josephharper988 If your parents are old enough to have gone through in the 90s then they did the version where you mimed slitting your throat and stomach as punishment for telling people the secrets of the temple. 😬
Also was forced to do baptisms for the deceased and they were in white robes chanting.. still have no clue what I was actually forced into as a child.. creepy
Some valid points and others are invalid. Dresses instead of pants are Biblical, rainbow nonsense is forbidden by the Bible and women getting jobs does hurt the family because their role is clearly defined in the book of Titus and their needs are met in the home. The rest of it she’s correct about, I noticed they were weird when they tried to recruit me too
lol so half of these things are not church doctrine. We are allowed to wear pants to church, there’s no dress code. “Come as you are” is a quote we strongly believe in. Also women missionaries are allowed to wear dress pants. In addition to that, on Sundays, there’s no strict rule on what we have to do. Most follow the Bible, keep the sabbath day holy. However the personal families interpret that, is up to them and them alone. I go out to eat and play sports on Sundays 🤷🏻♀️, but I know many families who prefer to spend time with each other and don’t spend money on Sundays (which actually is in the Bible, not making people work on Sunday’s, so a lot of mormons don’t support people having to work on Sunday, so they won’t spend money at those places). The church is all about AGENCY. You can do as you please. I’ve seen a lot of ex mormons complain about how they never could do anything as a mormon and how it’s a cult, but just because you grew up in a strict mormon family, does not mean that all mormons are that way or that the church tells us to be that way. The church might give recommendations , but it’s never a rule. You can always do what you want to, you have agency. I joined the church when I was 19, so I have seen it from both sides. I have a very strong opinion on the ex mormon community and the hate we get. I can understand why some people feel hurt by people of the church. But something i’m very strong about is just because you were hurt by people of the church does not mean our doctrine is false and also doesn’t mean every mormon is bad. You have to remember the reason why you’re there, which is God. You’re not there for the members of the church. That’s why i’m strong on people needing to gain a testimony of the Book of Mormon. Because if you’re just a member because you grew up a mormon and you don’t have that personal relationship with God or that testimony of the Book of Mormon, obviously you’ll probably want to leave, because humans are humans and they might say something offensive that could you hurt you. We have to realize that the people of the church are not perfect. Same thing for even the leaders of our church. We are all human and make mistakes, and we have to remember that we are at church for God alone. The church is not perfect, only God is. I grew up strict Baptist, and had people say things all the time that made me want to leave. I ended up leaving the church after realizing they didn’t have half the answers I was looking for, and I also had no personal relationship to God. After years of basically being non religious, I felt so empty and lost. After joining the “mormon” church, I found God again, and have strengthened my relationship with Him so much more than ever before. I am way happier than I have ever been and love the church. I’ve had things said to me by members and I don’t even have a lot of friends in the church, but I can’t deny how the temple makes me feel and how truly better my life has been since i’ve joined. All I can say is, for those who judge mormons, seeking information from actual members and praying and asking God about our church, could really change your perspective.
This is the gospel of Christ 👉(1Cor 15:1-4). This gospel was a mystery =Ephesians 6:19/Romans 16:25,26 Nobody knew about Jesus death burial and resurrection before His death. But In the book of Mormon the gospel of Christ was being preached before His death, which is not true.
Not cool yk I have been apart of the church my whole life I love it and it sad to see people's hate but we still love them and we love each other we have fun We are like family 👪 ❤
@@Tu1ip_sist3r I totally feel you. Many people just dog pile on the church without even seeing how amazing it is for families. It's hard to voice your opinion when anything you say gets immediately denied. Keep fighting, the reward is great in heaven, and we can help some people along the way 😊
@@jeffs4483 Your comment perfectly reveal your extreme lack of knowledge, and rebelliousness, against the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
@@jeffs4483 People like you, that are extremely lacking knowledge and rebelliousness is what JESUS CHRIST warned us Members of HIS CHURCH, the only TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, we should never cast pearls to Swines like you.
Quite a few of your points a) are not unique to Mormones and b) make perfect sense of you want to live a happy and healthy lifestyle in a functional society
Half of this video is either lies or misleading at best. I’m ex member as well but she’s not telling the truth. I HATE defending this religion but I also hate peoples misleading/lying. Here are some examples of her not telling the truth. She claims that “up until 1978, anyone other than pasty white people, could not WORSHIP or hold any position in the church.” THIS is an example of one truth and one lie. Block people couldn’t hold the Melchizedek Priesthood that is true. It is a LIE that black people couldn’t worship in the church. Woman ARE allowed to wear pants to church. This video is from 2022. She’s lying. Women might have been “looked down upon” for wearing pants to church but they absolutely CAN wear pants to church. Female missionaries do it. Church is NOT 3 hours long. This used to be true but it changed to two hours in 2019, 3 years before this video was uploaded. LIE. One persons opinion on women working is not official church doctoring. She’s not lying here someone likely said it but that’s one person’s interpretation. You CAN be gay at BYU, you cannot, however, perform same sex acts. While I don’t agree with this, it’s misleading nonetheless. Utah is not considered “the holy land.” It’s not the Mecca like in Islam or Jerusalem etc. Some may have called it a holy land but it’s not doctrinal. this is misleading and untrue.
I am a member and I can attest that essentially every part of this is not true. To whomever made this, is it really worth lying to those who do not know of the lies in which you speak? Does it make you feel good to lie?
I despise my fraudulent cullt, and have not attended in years, but to be honest, basically NOTHING she says is true ... be angry for the things the "church" actually does and the liies they spin ... don't make up nonsense of your own ...
@@haydenhodges34 I HATE defending this religion but I also hate peoples misleading/lying. Here are some examples of her not telling the truth. She claims that “up until 1978, anyone other than pasty white people, could not WORSHIP or hold any position in the church.” THIS is an example of one truth and one lie. Block people couldn’t hold the Melchizedek Priesthood that is true. It is a LIE that black people couldn’t worship in the church. Woman ARE allowed to wear pants to church. This video is from 2022. She’s lying. Women might have been “looked down upon” for wearing pants to church but they absolutely CAN wear pants to church. Female missionaries do it. Church is NOT 3 hours long. This used to be true but it changed to two hours in 2019, 3 years before this video was uploaded. LIE. One persons opinion on women working is not official church doctoring. She’s not lying here someone likely said it but that’s one person’s interpretation. You CAN be gay at BYU, you cannot, however, perform same sex acts. While I don’t agree with this, it’s misleading nonetheless. Utah is not considered “the holy land.” It’s not the Mecca like in Islam or Jerusalem etc. Some may have called it a holy land but it’s not doctrinal. this is misleading and untrue. -Now that I have provided facts can you please tell me one thing I have said that is untrue?
@kit-riv1 Church was three hours long until recently. Also, many with the "higher" callings were there much longer for meetings. When I was in multiple bishoprics, we would start at 7:00 AM and often stay until 3:00 to even 5:00 PM. That's 8- to 10-hours.
I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (formerly known as Mormons) and I just wanted to share my testimony. I know that our Savior Jesus Christ is the only way back to heaven. Not just by knowing Him, but by obeying Him and His laws. And His greatest commandment is to love thy neighbor. We have no right to judge, we must always forgive, and must love all. My faith in Jesus Christ is firm and unwavering. And I believe the spirit of God is the best thing one can have, hear, and feel. I pray we all follow the way of the Lord and repent of ours sins and ways of the world. I pray for no empty seats in Heaven 🤍🙏🏽
Don't feel bad this didn't get that much likes or stuff people come here to hear something bad about the church and won't even finish reading anything positive about it
That was a very nice way of putting it. I am totally for tithing and following the 10 commandments and the teachings of Jesus. I do not believe we can buy our way into heaven, or work our way into heaven. Yes we give money and have faith ...we do not judge lest God will judge us for doing so. I love a man who is very LDS and I pray every day he will wake up and know Jesus is the way. He is the best man I have ever known but due to church control and teaching he never believes he is good enough. That is sad. They need to be sued for covering for abuse as well both of children and wives.
While there are appropriate responses to all of these statements, perhaps the one to share should be regarding women wearing pants in church. Since the first chapter in the Bible, God has demanded respect from all of His creations. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we love our Heavenly Father and show that love by having respect for Him, for others, and for ourselves. Since the beginning of time, respect was shown for God by wearing the finest clothes which were available when attending worship services. For millenia, men and women were expected to wear clothing which was modest and appropriate to their gender when entering places dedicated to worship. I would be surprised if you could find any Christian church before the 1950’s, in the United States or possibly the world, where women were not required to routinely wear a dress when in the chapel or it’s equivalent. It is still a sign of respect for the men to at least wear a white shirt, slacks and a tie to church, and a suit is considered most appropriate. While the Savior would never exclude a sincere seeker of truth from any participation in His church, there are many ways to see that all understand and are able to show the proper respect for the ordinances. For at least the last 30 years, I am not aware of any ward (congregation) where someone was barred from entering the chapel because of their dress. If their clothing is too immodest, there are usually several members ready to loan them appropriate substitutes and assist them in preparing to worship properly. Women who are investigating the church often attend wearing pants, and usually no comment is made, unless questioned. If they continue to attend, they quickly recognize the difference in clothing and generally start dressing to blend with the other attendees. It is a shame that, even within the church, each succeeding generation seems to be being taught less and less about respect for Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, and respect for others and themselves. As an additional comment: for approximately the past six years, sister missionaries have been allowed to wear pants while proselyting.
This is the only true church of Christ that even makes sense. Truly. No other denomination of Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox is pure in doctrine. Ours is and stands in perfect harmony with the Bible. I have discovered this after years of studying the history of the church and studying the Bible. Keep holding on to that rod brother.
This is the gospel of Christ 👉(1Cor 15:1-4). This gospel was a mystery =Ephesians 6:19/Romans 16:25,26 Before Jesus death, nobody knew about Jesus death burial and resurrection. But The book of Mormon disagrees with this.
I posted a longer response that shows how many things she’s either lying or misleading people about. Not a fan of this church but telling those who don’t know anything as if these are all facts is wrong. Some truths but half of this video is untrue.
@@jeffs4483 please read several of my comments on other posts for this video cause I’m not watching it again but I’ll say one easy one. She says that church is 3 hours long, it used to be but the changes it to 2 hours, 2 years before she posted this video. Not a huge falsehood but untrue nonetheless. Some others were much more egregious misinformation
@@jeffs4483 That you have to pay to get into heaven. As a Mormon I can say what we believe is that there are three heavens for three different groups of people people will be equally as happy in each one of them and the only way to not go into one is to be a satin worshiper.
@@jeffs4483 women can wear pants, people can drink caffeine in our church, church is 2 hours long, you're allowed to watch Tv on Sundays. Children don't have to pay tithing from their allowance. the church isn't forcing anything, as long as u stay modest and keep the Sabbath holy
@@jeffs4483 I HATE defending this religion but I also hate peoples misleading/lying. Here are some examples of her not telling the truth. She claims that “up until 1978, anyone other than pasty white people, could not WORSHIP or hold any position in the church.” THIS is an example of one truth and one lie. Block people couldn’t hold the Melchizedek Priesthood that is true. It is a LIE that black people couldn’t worship in the church. Woman ARE allowed to wear pants to church. This video is from 2022. She’s lying. Women might have been “looked down upon” for wearing pants to church but they absolutely CAN wear pants to church. Female missionaries do it. Church is NOT 3 hours long. This used to be true but it changed to two hours in 2019, 3 years before this video was uploaded. LIE. One persons opinion on women working is not official church doctoring. She’s not lying here someone likely said it but that’s one person’s interpretation. You CAN be gay at BYU, you cannot, however, perform same sex acts. While I don’t agree with this, it’s misleading nonetheless. Utah is not considered “the holy land.” It’s not the Mecca like in Islam or Jerusalem etc. Some may have called it a holy land but it’s not doctrinal. this is misleading and untrue.
“I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives.
What would Jesus have done in this situation because he loves all and does not hate on anyone, John 8:7 “So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Are we being true to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost
Listen, I understand why you may not belive in our church, but please just let us believe what we know to be true. Church has actually been 2 hours long since 2018. Do your reaserch. Plus, your only mentioning one man here, most of us are just chill. And I think you should also know how many people had more than one wife in the 1820s. A LOT!
it's crazy how most the stuff is wrong and all the rest is taken out of context
That’s not true most of them are somewhat true except when she says that you “have to” or “can’t” do something.
Name one.
I'm still waiting on a list of prophecies that Joseph Smith alleges to have come true.
@@jeffs4483
SO TRUE
@@davidhepworth8072
Still can't name one. That's what I thought.
Wow I watch TV on Sundays. Wear dresses above the knees and know several members who are gay. Not sure where you got your information. Church is 2 hours long. Yes, you can have your name removed with no big drama.
Lol bro who u fooling I lived this shit you can’t say it’s not true. They changed it to 2 hrs long recently, and my sister is gay and I know how awfully she was treated. You don’t know shit.
Liar.
It used to be 3 hours, though...
Sorry but everything you said is the opposite of my experience.
@@ethansmith8463yeah it used to be. She posted this video in 2022 and they changed the length of church in 2019. So she’s either unaware of the changes or purposely lying for clicks. I am an ex member and no longer religious but I also don’t like lies being told to people as truths. If someone watched this video and didn’t know much about this church they would’ve heard half of the video as true things and believed the other half yet it’s be lies or misleading. There are plenty of truths in this clip that are damning to this church she should’ve left out those parts that aren’t true.
Hey I left the church too, but you really should check your facts on some of the stuff you’re regurgitating
Ex member here. Name one thing wrong.
Factual Errors:
“The Book of Mormon states God curses people of color.”
No. There are “people of color” (all people have a melanin count somewhere on a spectrum) who God has not cursed, in the Book of Mormon.
If you hate the Book of Mormon it’s because you have decided in advance to hate it, or you’re projecting your bad experience with the church onto the book.
Some things (like “women are not allowed to wear pants to church”) are obvious exaggerations. What? A woman in pants will get kicked out of church? That’s just silly.
However, I don’t like defending the church since I consider it a corrupt business masquerading as a religion, duping a lot of people.
@@jeffs4483oh and the whole “Joseph Smith married 14 year olds” is highly contested. There’s a whole spectrum of belief ranging from “Joseph Smith was never a polygamist-he was framed by Brigham Young” to “Joseph Smith was a pedophile” and it’s a CHOICE which evidence you will investigate and which conclusion you will come to. I highly doubt this girl has spent more than an hour considering an alternative to the historical narrative of Joseph Smith’s actions peddled by both the Brighamites and the exmormons.
I get it-many of us got burned by the church and now we’re angry. We should take some time to heal, but not propagate a false narrative to justify more anger. It sucks to be in Utah around people who think we’re crazy for leaving their “holy cult”, but we’re not crazy. We’ve just been wounded by lies. It’s time to heal.
@@ThomasFackrell
Are you joking? Of course the BoM is racist. That's the entire concept of the book.
@@ThomasFackrell
J. Smith did marry underage girls. That is a fact.
Not all LDS churches are like this. I’m bisexual, have an active sex life, wear pants, and am a Nondenominational Christian. Where I attend other women have worn pants no problem. Members and missionaries are all very amiable and church only lasts 2 hours unless you wanna stay for activities. I've been attending almost a year, they are always welcoming and don't care I’m not converting nor try to force it on me. We just happily co-mingle and get along. Some LDS churches may be like that but the one I've been at is very kind and nonjudgmental.
Repent
It's early yet...wait until you are a member.
@DecemberSfy You're bisexual and have an active sex life. Well, that's not allowed in the Mormon Church. If they were to interview to determine whether or not you're worthy enough to be baptized, they would tell you that you're NOT worthy enough. You will have to be celibate or be in a heterosexual traditional marriage ONLY, if you are to be considered worthy enough to be a member of the Mormon Church. They'll excommunicate a member who's sexually active if they aren't heterosexual and married in a heterosexual marriage ONLY.
And of course they're welcoming to you right now. That's because you aren't a member of the Church yet. Things will change drastically once you're a member. As a member the male Bishop (notice only males are allowed to have authority in the Mormon Church -- women are not allowed in the priesthood) will consider it his right to discipline you.
ALL Mormon Churches are Dictated to by the HQ in Salt Lake City. You might be attending a ward where the Bishop is more Liberal (might). But once you're a member you'll have to obey the rules or be disciplined.
Have you listened to the channel "Mormon Stories"? Lots of Mormons tell of their experiences there. And then they usually get excommunicated for speaking about the abuse they've suffered.
lets say hi!
I guarantee if you came out to the members and or bishop that you were bisexual and having premarital sex you would be shamed like no other. Premarital sex is a sin above murder in the LDS religion btw lol. Also up until a few years ago, mormon church service used to be 3 hours long so you are obviously new and don’t know a thing about mormonism🤡🤣
After doing some of my own research on Mormons, I've placed them in the same category as Scientology.
It's worse than Scientology. Scientologists are not Racist and obsessed with Sex like the LDS. Both are crazy, Yes.
You my friend, have unfortunately made the same mistake this here girl has😂
I’ll give you a hint. Read the Book of Mormon. That’s a great place to start. If you wanna go visit all the slanderous pages and organizations after that, be my guest. But real research starts at the source.
@@johnescobar6
Ex Mormon here. I've already been through the lies and abuse of the LDS cult.
@@johnescobar6
Read the CES letter or better yet, read true LDS history.
L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction author while Joseph Smith was a bible fan fiction author. Totally different!
So it is true..
"3 And because my words shall hiss forth-many of the Gentiles shall say: A Bible! A Bible! We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible."
2 Nephi 29:3
What book is this taken from?
@@starlightforever4038 The Book Of Mormon
The Book of Mormon falls in line with the Bible and covers the things left out due to translation
My landlord went crazy because I received a package and I didn’t get it till two hours later! She called me rude and had the face of evil on her face. That’s when I knew she was faking her lds faith. Her husband told me it’s okay. But just told him I’m not a therapist and she needs it.
Never pay rent to a mormon.
Never ever trust a Mormon.
@averyjames4623 Literally 😢 my fam ended up in a secret mormon HOA "Fairfield Harbour, NC" they also have control over the court there cant wait to get everything together to sue them all for the shit they did to us i still have all the photos of that house rotting away & them lying claiming it was repaired after hurricane Florence
I am not supporting lds I disagree with them but I will say crazy is crazy in any religion.
I’m not a member of the LDS but the ones I meet have been some of the most nicest people I ever met.
You're not a member? Of course they are! LOL You have no idea on the inside. We are the best at the "Facade"
I thankfully didn’t join.. good friends brought me back on track. I was feeling ill…
im a latter day saint. this is either bs or exaggerations.
except for the black people not being able to get baptized thing, which was bad and we're all on the same page about that being bad.
@@oiitsoranglee What?
Thats how they get you. My grandmother was the best recruiter for the Mormon church, somehow even got my grandfather to convert from being Baptist around the age of 60. They are playing the long game.
there’s a website for that??!? they were stressing me out thanks :)
Good luck on wherever you're going in life, just remember if you need guidance you can always pray
Or use critical thinking. People lived and still live without knowlege of a supreme-being idea, they didn't pray for guidance. They used their own body they were born with. Brains are there for a reason. @Keaton42
Thank you for my way out. I sent in my resignation today.
Congratulations.
Jesus was still connected to God imo. Hope you still consider the NT, especially Mark, the earliest gospel.
Freemasons are not, NOT Christian!!!
@@3thingsfishing427Jesus Christ is God. ❤️🔥✝️🙏
@@SuperGamerBPraise God! Blessings to you in Jesus name.✝️🙏🔥♥️
I said something but had to delete the comments because of arguing. I don't see the point of it but I do know this. I may not want to be a mormon anymore but the remaining ones can still if they want. I'll admit she said some stuff that are just total nonsense. What I only said was that I didn't want to be pressured of not doing certain things on Sundays while I'm at my own house. That's really it.
If you do decide to leave the church, please don't forget to pray always. It'll help you get through each and every day
@@Keaton42 I've been out of the church for years but you sound like someone I once knew. There was a family, they were Mormons and they would offer me to do things with them. Going to sleep over at their house, camping, playing games and toys, even babysit me with respect because most other people in different houses were mean. On the sleep over part they would always pray for me before eating dinner and when I'm about to sleep. When I had parties at church I was hanging out with them. My mom recently told me that when I was 5 years old those Mormons I'm happy with during the Christmas holidays told the fake Santa to go to my house and give me presents and I had a lot. I used to be really happy because they were so nice. But then one day when I was 9 they moved to another state and I felt so sad. Going to church didn't feel the same anymore. I was miserable that they were gone. I never forget those days I've had. About me leaving though I got in trouble for saying I'm going shopping after church. I don't want to say the rest because it got worse but yeah.
I’m not a Mormon but I have been going to a Mormon church for the past few weeks. Aside from everyone being incredibly nice, I’m a female who has worn pants each time. I’ve also seen other women there wearing pants. I heard about a member of the congregation coming out as gay in his testimony and no one seemed too upset about it. Also, I haven’t been asked for even a donation. I just feel like this her experience might not be the same for all the churches.
Edit: it’s been several months since I wrote this. I freely admit I was wrong. I appreciate people trying to post important warnings about the Mormon church. I do in fact believe it is a cult and thankfully I am no longer a part of it. After commenting, I did begin to notice that women at the church do not usually wear pants and I was definitely love bombed and manipulated from the start. Please be weary of the Mormon church. There is a lot more to it than meets the eye.
Once you go through the "consecrations" they will make you tithe 10%.
I think this lady is making some of this up but some family’s are different and don’t like drinking tea or coffee on sundays some do and it’s ok, and being gay in the church is awesome we except all!
this lady is making up 95% of stuff on this video. Not sure why she made so many lies on the video
Uhhhh, she's not making any of this up. Also, Mormons say they accept lgbt people, but that doesn't really match up with the rules and comandents. I'm bisexual and i left the church as soon as i turned 18. @SupercarNdirtbikes
@@ElijahRees first off we except everyone most Mormons love and support the lgbtq community
God bless you!❤ eventually i will show this to my fiance who is being sucked in.
Run away
Don't marry a Mormon
Hmm sucked in huh
Okay. Before you assume that what she is saying is complete truth, have you done the research for yourself? (I'm not an LDS member. I left when I was 16 because I didn't feel that it was for me.) Read the Book of Mormon, and try to understand what it says before making a judgment call. Joseph Smith, I don't know truly much about, so I can't really say anything on him. But please do research before you assume.
Show them the Mormon Stories Podcast channel. They go much more in depth about everything and it's all bonkers.
I'm a Mormon, and I had no idea Mormon churches on sundays wouldn't allow others to do anything else on a Sunday-
Get educated.
You're allowed to- this girl is just dumb, literally an apostle used to work out on Sundays
@@changan2942
Liar.
we just didn’t listen to that part. dad needed his sunday buffet and telenovelas after dinner.
I got chastised by the Stake President for watching television on a Sunday. He overheard me in a private conversation discussing that Sunday night's episode.
Bro this is wild I am morman some of my best friends are black I play video games on Sunday for at least 3 hours I love soda my sister gose to church all of time with pants my church has also said he thinks it is wonderful that we are evolving in the community it bring up women. One think is true and it is that we don’t really support lgbtq 🏳️🌈 community but so don’t all christians and it is not really banned just not supported like my sister that still gose to the church even though she is gay and she loves the church and the outfits is completely false and I have NEVER hear of it btw I am married and you and not required to give 10% it is optional and your not supposed to give any money like allowance if is like an option tax and if you are wondering why would I want to give tithing it gose to people in our ward btw ever year ever church spends thousands of dollars on homeless people and we give it around this money coming from our opinion tithing so tithing is more of a donation and we believe that ANYONE can get into heaven as we do baptisms for the dead for people that never got baptized here on earth and you can expect it if you want or you can not except it and live with satin and with the 100 billion is completely off our leader is not even a millionaire and we use about 80% of the tithing for less fortunate people the other 20% is for water bill and building more churches and yes they try once to bring you back but if you say no then they will forever leave you alone
fun if blacky was lds in utah name one Provo Stake President
Exactly!
See what happens if you become an interracial couple with someone who is black. Then come back to the comments! 😮
@@alexisvalere4095 bro don’t asume a whole religion is racist. We aren’t racist, one of our key doctrines mastery scriptures says
“Inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female, and he remembereth the heathen and all are alike unto god”
-2 nephi 27 :33
Like broskie, and even then we have common human morals on not being racist.
@@alexisvalere4095 true dat
I'm not ok with anyone trying to "convert" anyone else to their religion.
It's a mind virus.
It's called preaching the gospel and EVERY church organization does it in some form. It's not wrong to introduce a new book to someone. We also support free agency.
@@megancofield4435 Yeah I know what it's called. Problem is people do not just introduce someone to the good book, they also try to convert them to their religion. Not in favor of that part.
@@WysteriaGuitar ok but how do you think people find religion then? Part of LDS religion is constantly doing your own gospel study. Part of the teachings Mormon missionaries do it encourage investigators to read everything on their own.
@@megancofield4435 Right, while they are trying to convert you to the LDS church. Lave peeople alone and let them discover their own path to God...
I think she’s confusing her own family’s harsh rules with actual church doctrine. We watch tv, have skirts above the knees, and tithing is, while strongly advised, they won’t kick you out if you don’t comply. This is taken out of context and mainly untrue. Oh and most of the women in my ward are working mothers, that guy was just weird.
Ya weird like the church founder and his 34 wives that he died trying to cover up whilst publicly teaching monogamy. Or maybe not that weird...
Nevermo here. AFAIK not paying a full tithing means you can't get a temple recommend. Which means you can't be at your loved ones' marriage. It's not the same as being kicked out but it's harsh anyway. Are you saying that's not true?
@@trevanon7450 Yes and should you fall ill or lose your job they will give you limited assistance if you are a full tithe payer. No matter you paid 40 years but didn't the last couple of years. I worked with a kind lady with cancer. She was still on chemo and had to work. They would only help her so long and that was limited. She had paid her tithing years and years. It was the beginning of the end of my respect for the church.
Come to the true Christ l, Jesus needs no money and he loves you
A personal relationship is all that is required. No supporting mega corporations in the name of fake books
yal are based. (based. not biased)
You don't need to give the church money to go to heaven. The only thing required is to be baptized and accept Jesus Christ. Oh, and you can get baptized after you die so you won't be locked up in hell for eternity because that would totally be unjust.
Also the money is used to build temples and to keep the place tidy. You're not forced to pay tithing, and you will not be kicked out if you don't pay it.
I’m mahmood and muslim but i was raised in an evangelical school but now after learning more about Mormons I believe they are the best. However the girl in this video is just lost I hope she appreciates these things later
Yes tithing exists even in the Bible but by no means is it something that will get you into heaven.
i also was yelled at for trying to drink greentea until i talked with the bishop much stuff is messed up from religion but jesus is real and amazing!!!! they stopped hunting people down at least in oregon who want to leave and they made church much shorter i guess but i loved being baptized but they go against scriptures by pressuring 8 year olds to do it because it says dont do it unless a man is ready to die for the gospel and has good understanding right in the scriptures they believe in or say they do and then they pressure 8 year olds into it strange or at least some did
tea? controls food???? Thats cult
i found out it wasnt one of their beleifs but my dad was confused but then there are certain mormons who are more extreme then others its all crazy @@racoonbreath
@@adorability7 Steven Hassan formost authority on cult has bite model. Behavior,information,thought,emotional controls. Dress,tone of voice,food,time,money,newname? All points to cult
@@adorability7 called word wisdom no hot beverages and only meat in times of need. Truth no coffee,tea,coke products. Brainwashed pick choose then say its caffine. No its cult lol
In the Book of Mormon it is true that God placed a curse on the decedents of Lamen and Lemuel, the Lamanites. That was not cursing the people. It is a nuance. The difference is, that the people as individuals were not cursed/condemns inherently. The curse was that their skin darkened, and in the book of Mormon that is explained to help the early Nephite setters in America to not be drawn away by the Lamanites. In the bible, God often talks about mandating his people not be lead away, marry, have intimate relations sort of deal with people who are not of his religion/faith. That is so that their decedents can more easily be raised in the faith. In most cases he didn't outright make his people isolationists, when that did occur it was for their safety. But we can see God having a more direct hand in helping his people refrain intimate relations to the people in the faith by darkening the Lamanite skins. We see many times in the Book of Mormon where the Nephites were the wicked people and the Lamanites were evil. Some times when they were both good, some times with they were both wicked. So, he didn't curse the people, he placed a curse over their people.
There was, unfortunately, practice against black people being able to hold callings or the priesthood for the first while in the church. Kind of like America in general. And black people being able to obtain the priesthood was behind the abolishment of Jim Crow laws by about a 14 years. Jim crow abolishment around 1964 and Black people being able to obtain the priesthood in 1978. So, perfect; no. But improving over time; yes. Just like in the bible. Early on there was animal sacrifice, other practices, we eventually get to the ten commandments. Eventually to Jesus Christ. And through prophets, there are more improvements. It's all about incrementing to become more like God.
I will iterate: I do not wholly excuse black people being excluded from obtaining the priesthood. That was wrong. You can understand that just because Jim Crow laws were abolished doesn't mean racism ended. Maybe it just took until the next generation to obtain the people more tolerant (like Moses/Joshua an the wall of Jericho(?), the older generation blasphemed and the newer generation became the ones able to progress God's people).
So, are non-white people cursed? No! Not as a rule. Are black people cursed? No. Were there black people in the early church? yes, but it took until 1978 until they could be ordained with the priesthood; it sucks it took that long. But, one of the articles of faith talks about obeying the laws of the land, and the church is still run by people; people who at the time had it ingrained in law and culture that blacks were to be discriminated against in some fashion or another. So, like America can still be a wonderful country even with Slavery and Jim Crow in it's history; America over came those and can be great; and the LDS church has overcome much of it's transgressions and is in a continual process of progression.
I don't know what happened, I had an initial reply, but it seems to have disappeared, so this is slightly out of order, but I will re-comprise part 1 here (sorry if you saw elsewhere):
I am a member of the LDS church. I do not begrudge you for you doing what you believe is reasonable. No hate, anger, etc. I do believe that this begets a response; continue to believe as you find reasonable. No hate or malice. I do invite you to consider what I say and the LDS church with an open heart. Again, continue to "you do you". Here's my thoughts.:
The LDS church is often called a cult. The Master classes has an article explaining what a cult is, and that an organization becomes a cult for following four principles. those principles are (quoting from the article):
"Authoritarian control: Cultism hinges on encouraging maximum dependency. People in the cult must feel incapable of living an individual life outside the norms of the group. These beliefs often go hand in hand with a worshipful attitude toward the group’s authoritarian leader.
Extremist beliefs: Cult members hold to very dogmatic and extreme beliefs. They also are unable to question these belief systems without fear of reprisal or punishment from the leader or other group members.
Isolation from society: As soon as new members join a cult, other adherents work hard to isolate them from family members and friends. This helps fulfill the mind control aspirations of the leader. It also creates a hive mind of sorts between the new person and the other members.
Veneration of a single individual: Charismatic leaders are often at the center of most cults. Consider the Manson family of the late 1960s. As their name suggests, they adopted the beliefs of their leader, Charles Manson, and fulfilled his requests. The same pattern repeats in almost all other cults, albeit to less violent ends in many cases."
Authoritarian control: AKA, dependency. There are multiple types of dependency. Let's cover those.
Spiritual dependency: Like any Christian church, there is a spiritual dependency. So, if this were a sign of being a cult, every Christian church would be a cult. there is a broad understanding that not every Christian church is a cult, so this cannot be a measure of a church being a cult. Also, the dependency is more on God through Jesus Christ. The church is the most complete way to become like them as they mandate. Also, the church has developed a lot of sources that make one less dependent on them. Such as the free availability on the book of Mormon, the Come Follow me series of self study books, and other publications. Now, they are still publications in the church, but they allow people to commit self-study of doctrine and come to their own realizations and conclusions. I have heard hundreds of people give talks and incite in church; and not once have I head a church leader stand up and be like "That's objectively wrong, this is the belief." So, that is a level of spiritual independence from the church. And, in as much as we are spiritually dependent, so are other churches.
Physical dependency: We all work to get paid to provide for ourselves. My dad pays for the house; not the church. The church has events where food and water and utilities are provided; but such things are not provided to an extent nearing the development of dependency. Debunked.
Intellectually: I go to a very not LDS run collage, when to public school (separation of Church and state), I watch a lot of informational content on UA-cam, use Boot.dev which I don't think is LDS run programing lessons, I use audible and have a few nonfiction books, the minority by far of which are by LDS sources.
Socially: Most of my time is spent around non-LDS people, such as at church. I know a lot of people who have mostly LDS friendships, that's not inherent. I don't think I've ever had a close LDS friend group. All my truly close friends were non-LDS. I live in Utah. So, no.
Financially: You later mention tithing. We give 10% of earnings to the church. Like I said in the physical section, we provide for ourselves. (there are times where the church helps, but those are exceptions and short term, my dad in like 30+ years of house payments got help for like 3 months. that is not financial dependency).
So, on all accounts, dependency is debunked.
Extremist beliefs: There's a saying like "A cultists don't usually know they are in a cult." So, I will recognize that you may take my opinion with a grain of salt. Still, I believe I reasonably consider our beliefs to not be extreme. The Catholics are sudo-canniblis for believing they eat/drink the literal body and blood of Christ consistently (that's not to knock Catholics. If you believe that, I think you can do so reasonably, I am using it as a point of comparison with no mal-intent). That seems at least as extreme as anything I know in the LDS church. Again, I'm within "the system" so you may reasonable think that I just don't see how I hold extreme beliefs. Still, there is a second part to this pillar. I am very capable of questioning my beliefs and systems of belief. I do not have fear of reprisal or punishment. Particularly on a "systematic" level; AKA, even if reprisal or punishment came, it would be more of a social awkwardness than an official action on the church's behalf. So, this pillar. Debatable debunked, but at least not proven.
Isolation: We have LDS.org which freely and openly shows just about all LDS church literature. We have the common saying "Be in the world but not off the world." We still hold regular jobs. We send out missionaries. We invite all to come unto Christ. You can come to our church meetings anytime (please remain respectful during attendance, thank you). Official you tube channels. Our General Conference held twice a year is freely accessed on LDS.org (including a backlog), and even on UA-cam, and great efforts are put in place to translate into numerous languages, including American sign language. So, no, we are not isolationists. Touchingly debunked.
Veneration of a single individual: We do not venerate the leader of the church. We appreciate his role and efforts in bringing about the revelations from God. But he is still a man. He serves in the first presidency and on the quorum of the twelve apostles, so in no place does he act as the sole leader of the church. Like Jesus Christ said in the pre-mortal life "All glory be given unto thee [God]." Like the point with the spiritual dependency. Any veneration we hold would be for God. Thus, if veneration for God is a basis for being a cult, then any Christian church is a cult. Since that is not the case. it is not a basis for the LDS church to be a cult. Thus, since we do not hold any veneration for a non-God entity, especially not a single individual, Veneration of a single individual is debunked.
Thus, at worst you can argue only one of the pillars is at all applicably to the LDS church. Since it takes all, or to be lenient at least 3/4, the LDS church given the worst possible perspective is only 1/4, it is far from being arguable that the LDS church is a cult (I also find that the most reasonable view would be that, even if the church has extreme beliefs, that the openness to question them still debunks that pillar, that the most reasonable view is 0/4).
Something is seriously censoring part of my post. I'm trying to explain what the pillars are that set an institution apart as a cult, but I have written and posted that twice in this comment chain, and it has been removed each time. I guess I will make a video response and hope that doesn't get censored the same way. No anger or malice to anyone about this, but I think I shouldn't be censored for trying to provide a calm and reasoned argument for my position: The LDS church is not a cult. According to knowing what the Master Classes and actual doctrine of the church. again, I'll try to get to a video response on my channel regarding that stuff (still in works, but I think I finally found the name I want for it).
Church is 3 hrs long, and you're not allowed to do anything else on sundays:
1) You may freely and without social or church action consequence not attend church on any given sunday. I have had a few long strings of not going for no particular reason, and I am in no way penalized by my peers for it. I have taken mobile games, writing for books and stuff, drawing and other activities into church. And I play video games, watch tv and other things on sunday. So, she is presenting it as an absolut authoritarian situation. It is not.
One of God's commandments is to keep the sabbath day holy. So, if that is a detriment to the LDS church, it is the same for every other Christian Church.
However, if you are to attend church, it would be optimal to have a focus on church. If you go to a movie, and listen to music and do sodoku the entire time, you don't get a lot out of the movie. So, you can do other things at church, but that doesn't fulfill your purpose in being at church.
The same goes for Sunday as a whole. It is a day to relax and re-fortify in faith. It is a day to be kept reverent. That will not be best accomplished by watching Deadpool on repeat the entire day. Instead, the purpose of Sunday, in a Christian context, is best accomplished via prayer, scripture study, wholesome family time, and other reverent means.
So, 1) not unique to the LDS church. 2) The LDS church is not authoritarian and you can "you do you," but 3) the LDS church invites you to attentively attend church and keep the sabbath holy because those are the best ways to accomplish their purpose.
Caffeine: there is the word of wisdom that prohibits it. Yeah, it's always been strange that sodas are precluded. There's a lot of articles or studies arguing that coffee is healthy. That hasn't been something I have had time to study. from my experience, I function better not reliant on caffeine (MNT Dew). So, I have accepted the Word of wisdom and don't drink
This is a personal thing. But I have two markers, two tests for is something is immoral. One of which is that if something reduces agency (is an addition//overly reliant on something)) then it is immoral (in the beginning, God gave mankind three great gifts: Life, agency, and a way through repentance to return to God. That's not explicit doctrine, not something I was taught, more of just a hypothesis, an observation I have (to call them great gifts, it is provable that we have life and agency, and our faith is predicated on a way to return to God)). Since it is one of the "Great Gifts", things or actions that sully agency are/is immoral. Pornography is addictive, I can reduce people's agency, make them feel dependent on it. So, it is immoral. This will include Soda or sugar addition, alcohol, drugs, tea and coffee, which are substances that more recent literature the church has posted on the subject of the word of wisdom have included.
Maybe it's not an issue with tea and coffee specifically, maybe it's an issue with addictive consumed substances. Tea and coffee get more focus because they were around at the time of the initial revelation, and because the text of the original revelation is so ingrained it's been hard to update it to include the further substances, particularly the ones people became fond of in youth.
About Women doing a dis-service by getting a job:
It's is perfectly acceptable for women to have jobs. But, if avoidable, which is becoming ever less viable, it is sub-optimal. The basic social unit is the family. That is a father and a mother. The mother's role is to nurture and care for children. The father's role is to protect, provide, and preside. The father is submissive to God, the mother is submissive to the father (she is still fully an entity, being submissive doesn't make her a slave or mean she doesn't have a voice. It means, since the father protects, provides, and presides, that the mother trusts him to fulfill his duty to the family, and he has the final say in many matters. The mother still gives her input, has her voice heard, to give the father additional reason and perspective to consider. However, a ship with two captains trying to sail it in different directions at the same time will not end well. A household needs a person with final say, which is placed on the father; not because the mother is less, but because God gave that duty, and direct obligation to God in that matter (that the father must be held accountable for) and gave that duty to the father). (Another part is that men are more disposable biologically speaking, that's why on average more of them are born than girls; and they get the more dangerous jobs in the family dynamic. Providing food used to be a whole lot more dangerous. They are more disposable not because men are inherently trash, but there's the thought experiment: If you have 10 men and 1 women, or 10 women and 1 man, in which scenario are you more capable of repopulating).
Tangent aside. Women are not precluded from working. But it is sub-optimal because the children need people to raise and educate them. They also need good examples of men and women (So that boys know what to emulate in their fathers and look for in women, and girls know what to emulate in their mothers and look for in men). And they need the care and support, best offered by mothers.
additionally, in general women in the workforce will earn the median/average wage. This article (finance.yahoo.com/news/much-economists-stay-home-moms-130001098.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACe6fawnsP0Ai9Xm_aaSGYmFK92OlJ_OhyZ5_ozLpSixmsyReh6ON3U2rRk_6gH0E69qu5oUzJHHKaUAmBd9QPty95Tbbli-x0o0HKRHb4QZCYNUpgbB4jTkf0JWzTVCuVzK7BdDzl1eHbDWwv759YXEXZ-lifLXp9_v88_mNmgA) sites figures that say that stay at home moms, by maintaining all the different chores/work/jobs of being a mother; that if those tasks were outsourced would cost between $125,000 to $185,000 thousand a year. Restated to try to make my point intelligible. Stay at home moms do the work that if outsourced would cost between $125,000 and $185,000. Instead, they are encouraged to give that up and earn the median wage (what? between $50,000 and $60,000 a year, and in addition have to pay for child support?). So basically, in general the obtain greater personal fulfillment, essentially earn between two to three times as much money a year, and create a strong family by being a stay at home mom.
So, yeah, you can go work, all power to you. But there are legitimate arguments that it's sub-optimal.
Alright first off we don’t curse people or color
We didn’t allow people of color to hold position but they could worship but was a mistake that’s why its not a thing anymore.
Joseph actually had 40 wife’s some of which were 14 but polygamy is very discouraged nowadays
There’s literally no dress code so all people can come what are you talking about
You can do other things on Sunday’s it’s discoraged to buy stuff or do thing that require the service of employed people. And they don’t like it if you work on Sunday but otherwise who cars also 2 hours
Your right no coffee or tea mainly because of caffeine and coffee is more addicting then coke that’s why
That talk that guy gave suprised me but trust me one guys words aren’t the entire church’s
Yes bishops and other leader can ask you to give testimony and talks BUT YOUR ALLOWED TO SAY NO WITH NO PUNISHMENT
Banning rainbow flags doesn’t mean no gay people it’s probably about the propaganda but you can be a gay and go to byu
Yeah we do think the holy land is in Utah the Missouri thing the church doesn’t push out anymore so I think it was a honest mistake
You always have to wear certain under where. and special cloths are always required for temples
There not gonna point a gun to your head or kick you out if you don’t but it is highly encouraged
All of things the church owns and has shares in are to get more money and most of the money goes to the member of the church a lot of which is very charitable like helping men ever who can’t afford a meal they take care of there members
No they don’t it’s a just chance you live in a high missionary area also you can ask to get your records removed no quitmormon.com
Sorry for long comment
Bro are you the prophet to make all these bold claims? You don’t know that the skin color thing was a mistake. You also don’t know why we can drink coke but not coffee. Say what you know instead of telling what you feel or understand.
@@PastGens Nothing about religion is know. Since the time I wrote this comments I’ve learned a ton. I don’t think that things like that are mistakes anymore instead I think god needed them to happen to get to the circumstances the church is at today. The coke but no coffee thing your right I don’t know, but the church hasn’t told us so I’m left up to find the most logical conclusion.
Your right I’m no prophet but that doesn’t mean I can’t hold my own opinions on why we do what we do or can’t be knowledgeable enough to answer tough questions.
@@cooperrichards2434 No sorry if I sounded rude, basically my point is that you probably should have specified that this is not known doctrine. That's all.
@@PastGens that makes sense I get annoyed when people don’t do that so I’ll do better
black people only be slave if they do everything in this life. Brigham Young? Sic cult pal
Is it not weird to anyone when your faith evolves to meet current societal norms even though their God is incapable of making mistakes?
Good example of this is the relationship with people of color and the Mormon church. Like, really? Mormom Jesus just decided one day in 1978 that this isn't ok anymore?
Funny how the Mormon robots won't touch this comment but are trying to troll me on others with vague retorts and bullshit religious text references.
I'm not your problems Mormon's, you guys walking around and trying to convince each other "this is the true church, I know because I've gone to a few different Christian churches and 0 Jewish, Muslim, insert any other religion here church, I KNOW THIS IS THE TRUE CHURCH!"
I love when Mormons don't know their own damn history and yet come on public message boards to defend their faith. Makes me feel so damn good, I know its petty, but I despise how condescending and holier than thou they have become as a faith.
Ok, as a current latter-day saint and someone who likes to learn about history of the church I will try to explain some of the issues you seem very concerned about. Yes, it’s true that people of color, more specifically black and African American members weren’t allowed to receive leadership roles (some of which I can’t really explain because it’d take too long) in the past. Even though it is said to be a command from our Heavenly Father or God, I believe (and other members too) that this was done by leaders to adhere to beliefs from those times when segregation and racism was sadly very common. Maybe they were just personal beliefs, you know how people can be, even if they are called by God to lead and preach. And we see that happening in scripture too. Anyways, that can be the case now too. We see leaders changing “rules” or more often recommendations really, to be more adapted to these times. Yes, it can be odd even for members, but at the end of the day it is the individuals that decide what to do and not. Yes we are told to listen to our leaders and prophets, but you also need to learn to identify what is to be done and not according to what you have learned (hopefully) from scriptures etc. Also, it really is about “feeling” which church you believe is the real one out of the millions out there, and actually, there are resources for members and non members if you’d like to learn about religions like Islam. I could find you some links if you’d like. Besides, leaders of different churches and our church meet in conferences and other types of meetings to learn about each others differences and similarities and help people around the globe regardless of religious beliefs. The point is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER and live a rightful life that you can benefit from. Again, I could find some resources if you’d like to learn more, I apologize for not being able to give you detailed information. Overall, just believe in what you want to, we believe that you are here on earth to learn and make your own decisions as you see best fit. I believe in the church because yes, it makes me feel good and I’ve received so much from God and members alike. I’m glad to be a member and I hope that you guys don’t waste your time if you really don’t want to but just try out different things and religions. There’s something for everyone out there. Thank you for reading all of that if you did. I hope to have explained well as English isn’t my first language. Take care
Also you have to remember, every church has been polygamist at one point in history,ours is just a little more recent
From the beginning Jesus preached marriage between one man and one woman. There are examples of polygamy in the Old Testament but this was certainly not mainstream after Christ. Mormon doctrine promoted racist and polygamist ideology that they later went back on after “new revelations.” This is absurd to me because you can’t have new revelations when politically/socially convenient.
- Thousands of years ago, doesn’t apply today at all
- Anyone worthy can hold a position in the church
- At the time, everyone was a polygamist, no matter your religion, you had thousands of people as a polygamist
- Men and women can wear anything they want. As long as it’s not insanely inappropriate (as in showing privates)
- Church is actually 2 hrs long and you can do whatever you want on Sundays, it’s just to your best judgement
- Nobody forces you to not drink certain things, we just don’t like those things as much that do badly to your body
- Exactly, nobody forces you to do anything
- I don’t think you’ve been to byu and we just follow the scriptures and what’s normal
- Utah is the holy land bc that’s where the pioneers settled
- The underwear and outfits just aren’t true, but we do have garnments which are optional to wear. They are just a reminder to keep our bodies clean
- Again, tithing is optional, no, kids do not usually pay it, and we believe everyone gets into heaven almost no matter what (you have to be as bad as satan or hitler or Cane to get into hell)
- Revenues literally go to building churches and temples to bring people to Christ, to save them
- We do not own any of those things actually, I mean I guess we do have a couple small museum type things
- If you tell the missionaries you don’t want them to come, they will not come, and they will not not lie or do anything you told them not to. They are like the best people
A truly scary Cult. So glad you got out.
Cult? How are we a cult, we do all the things other churches do just more in depth, maybe if these things weren’t so exaggerated you would understand
@@The_worst_alchamists It's okay man, don't even argue with them, just let them laugh like Lamen and Lemuel. After all the truth was never something that was easy to swallow for most people.
@@Kextral your right, no need to pay attention to those who refuse to listen, god can deal with them in the afterlife
@@The_worst_alchamists Missionaries will save all of them one day, I plan on serving as well to help them come back
@@Kextral me too, I plan on serving a mission and I hope to bring many unto Christ
So true. Ex Mormon here. It's atrocious.
yeah i mean you didnt know shit so seems right for you to leave the church
Why do so many exmos become swingers? that seems to be the theme with popular exmo youtubers
Why do Mormons practice polygamy? Which is worse?
You will deny it's practiced, of course, however it's core to LDS doctrine to this day. You just believe it will be practiced in the next life when you get own planets.
You get to 'Swing' with your endless celestial sex when you get your own planet. How fun.
A lot of people stop believing suddenly which is fine, but then they decide it's time to do everything in the world they were told was wrong before, which just shows you how small minded they are. If they actually believed anything they were taught, such as not doing drugs, they wouldn't just suddenly decide to do drugs now that they aren't Mormon. It's hilarious to watch and they don't even realize their own hypocrisy and actually will still judge Mormons for being hypocritical.
I don't know about that but they usually are not believers in God at all ...not always of course but I noticed a lot of them
Everything she said absolutely the truth.
She failed to mention they baptise for the dead, and belive they will and become God's also
Well, not exactly, we baptize for the dead, as in we baptize someone on behalf of a person that did not have the ability to be baptized, and it says in the Book of Mormon that we will be like god and you should really read it, it’s amazing
It’s not true that you are “not allowed” you have free agency and can do whatever you want and Jesus will still love you
I hope so because nobody else loves me :(
True Jesus Christ loves everyone as those who you see are people worth enough for Christ to have died for. But let’s remember that He is also just and will punish you if you do not obey Him. I’m just saying that because when you say that Jesus will love you no matter what kinda makes it sound like you can eat, drink and be merry and still live with God again when that is completely untrue of course. Jesus Christ is the way and if you don’t choose that way you will be cast out. Note that punishments help us learn and proves God’s love for us.
@@kit-riv1 Wasted energy. I gave my heart to the church as a child, the church gave me nothing in return. Save your pity for me.
@@bobleeswagger474 Also fun fact it did. You were just too impatient to wait
@@bobleeswagger474 I promise they do and will. There are millions of people. Get out and get involved in things with other people. You just need to meet the right ones.
Have you considered Reverand Prophet Peter Popoff?
All of this is true. I was never Mormon myself but I went to a Mormon church (because the people Mom and I rented from are Mormon)once and it was 3 hours long. I was 8. I never went again though. I never knew at the time it was a cult but I was very averse to it. Thankfully I was rightfully averse to it. I remember the day of the week I bought Super Mario 3d Land. It was on a Sunday. I remember specifically Mom telling me not to tell them that we went out and bought it on a Sunday. Now I didn’t have to live as a Mormon thankfully. But I saw this up close and in person for a long time. Those Mormons are still family friends and I hope and pray they come to Christ one day.
I agree with you, one reason why Christianity gets ridiculed is because of this sect…
most people who leave faith (Christianity) are mostly in the Protestant sect, don’t take my word for it even statistics show it. I pray you research about the Catholic/Orthodoxy faith, cause it’s more theological and philosophical, even tho people make it seem it ain’t, if anything people make it seem like it has a Mormonistic vibe, but if anything it’s more than that
HELP.
I have someone mormon in my family, and they will get extremely mad if i mention anything about its culty behavior. Its not their fault though, they grew up with it and were fed false information.
I need some help breaking the truth subtly to them.
Please!
Who cares if they get mad?
The truth hurts
I refused to go at 12. the next week they told me the elders suggest they lock me in my closet with a bucket for my business. they got away with that for a grand total of one time. I was a lot tougher than they thought. Dont even get me going on femalely home evening. I do wish I could still have my own galaxy and planet though. Oh well my Aussie would most probably stage a take over and run the realm and he would get all the babes like always.
I know satanic luciferian lie that they come up with its Smith made out of his ass again part of making a cold as you use basic stuff in your twisted and overtime people fall for it and then you get away with making more stuff and you're mentally ill in fabricating nonsense that goes against anything it's actually basic religion or actually good sacred texts Etc. Satanists Smith was a satanic scammer and you got away with it.
That's a horrible experience! I'm really sorry for the way you were treated. That is totally unfair, and the people who treated you that way should not be considered a member or hold any preisthood
Andrea and oatmeal. You forgot to mention one thing about the Mormon church. You ever heard of the Mormon meadow massacre. Where Brigham Young had general Lee take out 130 settlers. They bury them in one big pit
I find it interesting that all these messages have one major thing in common. What is it? They never use the real name of the church but rather its nickname. Hummmm
no one has time cult rebranding
Latter Day Saints but that was asked to be used in recent years so I wouldn't fault anyone who has used it for years.
They are not Christians
Do tell?
@@Angelsbliss818 Mormons read another book by Mormon and read the bible if you view the fruits of the church aswell it's against certain parts in the bible, some have more than one wife
@@Angelsbliss818 and the fruits in people
@@Angelsbliss818 They do not believe we are saved by grace alone...and the Bible is only true to the extent they believe it per their own "prophets"
@@choclate_forbideneyelash Mormon didn't create the book, it's a record of past events, written by many different people. Polygamy is against our religion, it literally goes with our doctrine that spiritual marriage is through Man and Woman. Also explain which parts are against the bible, I'm curious.
If you want truth, the only way is to join and see and experience it yourself. Period
yuh
What are you talking bout?
IF YOU WANT THE TRUTH OPEN YOUR BIBLE PERIOD.
If you want the truth, don't let false prophets brainwash you.
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@@ducksoon9981 I mean we do study the bible ALOT lol
I know for a fact that the book of Mormon is true. The audible voice of God shook me to the bone & told me to "deny not the Holy Spirit".
I was talking to God, & telling Him that I thought I had "graduated religion". Meaning, I wasn't sure if I needed religion anymore. I was a bit confused at the time to say the least.
I had already felt the Holy Spirit & had a burning in my bosom many, many times before. God had already testified to me by the Spirit.
The warmth in my chest I felt in that moment wasn't unfamiliar. It was the burning fire of the Holy Spirit, a clear message, a familiar confirmation that resonated deeply. Undeniable. I was shown that: Joseph Smith's vision of God the Father & Jesus Christ standing together in the air was true. The Book of Mormon wasn't just any book; it was the very word of God. And the temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints weren't mere buildings, but sacred houses of the Lord, where families & couples could be eternally bound together.
What other evidence did I need?
By the mercy & Grace of God, I heard His voice. I will never deny it. And I will proclaim & declare it forever.
Jesus Christ is the Living God. He is my Savior. He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He will return to rule and reign on this earth. The Book of Mormon AND the Bible will help us draw even closer to him. I promise this is true. We must repent & have faith in Him. I share this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Cults are bad but occult can be much worse. Strike balance…
Ex-Mormon here. This video is full of “misinformation” as people do say nowadays. I’m all about exposing the lies we’re were fed in our childhood and adolescence. That being said, I am not in favor of a minute-and-half long video of “exposing Mormonism “ with half truths. Congrats on taking the very 2023 approach of race and sexual orientation to get some likes. Too bad you literally missed the 10,000 other points of doctrinal fallacies. We’ll let someone explain that knows about it, how about that?
Do you have a video that will properly instruct non Mormons on their lies? If so thank you
name one thing that's off?
I'm very interested in hearing the follicles
Ex member here. Name one thing wrong.
Tell us more please
0:01 It’s not a cult, it’s a church that has it’s own religions.
0:07 so you didn’t want to make a promise with god to extent your loving relationship about your religion with other people?
0:12 also, there is a verse in the Book of Mormon where god loves everyone equally.
0:28 just today, I saw a woman with pants at my church. She actually has a very hood calling for the church, and has many spiritual things happen to her.
0:31 you are allowed to do things on Sunday, but some things are restricted due to the day being sacred to the religion. Sunday’s are meant for everyone to love and get together with their families. There are many activities you can do on sundays as well. It’s mostly just sports and shopping that aren’t really good to do, but you have the complete right to do them. You can watch TV as well, by the way.
0:35 coffee and tea are things I didn’t understand very well, but I like to ignore them because either way they are bad for you can don’t seem much of a problem. By the way, coffee and tea can be very addictive.
0:43 that was very rude and unwise of him.
0:51 so you didn’t want to give a talk in the church because you didn’t want too? Uhm. As a Mormon giving a talk is one of the most incredible things that I can possibly feel. It makes my heart happy since I can feel the love of the spirit.
0:55 yes, Adam and Eve are a perfect example of not being gay. Being gay means that you cant have children. While the opposite means you can live with your family. Also, I wouldn’t recommend going to BYU if you feel this way.
0:58 what’s wrong with that? Either way, the second coming is when we all migrate to Missouri.
1:02 yes, garments. It’s a loving way of showing your relationship with your religion. Besides, they seem very comfortable, and I’m only 14.
1:07 giving your tithing is meant for the restricted people who are disabled. The 10% money members donate if to help the lives of others. I’m 14, and I’m a kid. Giving 10% of the 10 dollars I have isn’t something horrible.
1:26 hunt you down? Serving a mission isn’t forcing people to believe in their religion. Instead we leave it optional but try to teach it to you.
You done with your thesis, Utah?
Huh?
Womp womp
You're only 14 so you probably do mean well, but mormonism is something devised from the pit of hell. I deeply wish for you to find the true love of our God and savior Jesus Christ and will be praying for your redemption. God bless 🙏
Mormons really think biblical events happened in America? The garden of Eden? Sounds very white to me
Okay half of this is so wrong lol we can wear any dress we want but we wear dresses so that the whole experience feels more holy and lets us feel like we are looking good in a place of god! We have many gay people in our church and we love them! The reason why we have so much money is because we pay tithing and that is used to build temples, give to charity, and to save in case of an emergency! Also talking bad about Joseph smith and him having a lot of wives doesn’t make sense! That was a normal thing for that time period and sure he made a lot of mistakes but he also repented for those mistakes also god and Jesus forgave him! (Church is also now 2 hours and u don’t even need to stay the whole time!) we also love every religion and never want to make others feel bad about being in that religion because everyone has the right to believe in what they want to! The last think is that we can’t have coffee or tea just like how some religion can’t have meat! It might not make sense, but it’s just a rule that some people follow! And your not required to follow it! Everything is just what you feel is moral between you and god! I love u guys all so much and I hope this cleared some stuff up!
Holy land is in Utah? Now that's bs.
It is partly bs. Temples are the holy land for God, but a lot can be found in Utah. Nowhere does it say that Utah is the holy land. The only true holy land is in heaven, but here on Earth, temples are the closest we can get.
With all due respect ma'am, I may not be Mormon, but I am a born again christian myself, but The bible did not support lgbtq cuz it was said in Leviticus 18:22 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, that's not me who said that, it was God Himself,
Except it wasnt "god himself" it was a council of old geezers who got together to decide what would be included in the bible. 🙄 christianity is literally made up from stolen bits of other older religions. The bible is pretty much just choc full of cultural appropriation. Nothing of christianity is original to that religion 😒
Amen
@@baronpowers1564 Amen
Go sister. I have my own experiences with Mormons. I just retired from a large police department down south and was thinking about moving to Vernal Utah. Just two days prior to this post I was in Vernal and was talking to a Mormon about how beautiful Vernal was. My mouth dropped when he stated that they didn't want my kind down there. I'm assuming he was being racist due to my Hispanic heritage or maybe he is just an asshole but I have never had an experience like that. I saw red at that point but continued to be polite. Let's just say I'm headed back to Oklahoma next month. I can't believe the big 12 let BYU into our conference.
There is a difference between LDS and Mormons Mormons don't take the church all that seriously and try to fool God so they think they can get away with anything. LDS on the other hand they take the church seriously and want to teach other people about the gospel and try thier best to be kind
Im sorry but there is absolutely no way they have 100 billion dollars. And there is no way the government would allow that.
Mormon Church is 2 hours long and before I left, I saw some women wear pants.
Some, left the CHURCH, no repent, not obey the commandments, now up w/endless excuses, lies, & up for/riches & honor.
I do, did, and always wanted to keep 100% of ALL the commandments ... I stopped attending because I grew tired of the ceaseless liies :(
@@ralphwiggam7630 GOD the Eternal FATHER, and HIS WIFE, GODDESS, our beloved HOLY Eternal MOTHER knows, your endless excuses, lies, due to your extreme rebelliousness and lack of knowledge, of the only, TRUE CHURCH, that started in the PRE-MORTAL LIFE. You left the CHURCH, and that's your agency, but you can't leave the CHURCH alone?
@@VAATAUSILI4139 Why are you here attacking people? Making deceitful, untrue straw-man arguments?
You have no "truth" to stand on, so you immediately start to make personal attackks ... I no longer attend because I am tired of all the liies ... you don't even know what you have been liied to about ...
Everything you think you know about our doctrine and history is nothing but a fabrication ... sorry ... but I doubt you are even aware ...
@@VAATAUSILI4139 I didn't find out the truth until AFTER I came home from a 2-year mission and getting married in the temple ...
Why don't we teach the truth about the fabrication that is the "Book of Abraham"? Why don't we advertise that that Joseph actually had NINE totally different, even contradictory versions of his "first vision? Why don't we admit the truth about the temple? Or that less than a month after himself becoming a 33rd Degree Mason, Joseph created our own "endowment"? Why aren't we honest about our "signs and tokens" being EXACT COPIES of masonic handshakes? Why don't we advertise that the modern "church" holds over $200 BILLION DOLLARS of stocks and bonds? Why don't we ever warn people that Joseph was a viile phedofiile, and married over 34 women, including multiple 14yhearrolldchiilldren, other men's wives, and mother-daughter sets?
You see ... I found out that I was liied to ... and stopped attending ... literally zero "siins", "excuses", or anything else ... I just don't like being liied to ... sorry ...
@@ralphwiggam7630 if you want to leave the church don't feel ashamed about it because in the church's lore after the end we will all dwell in the three kingdoms of heaven unless your a satin worshiper (nice name BTW)
I do not know if these are true or not, but I do know that Mormonism is wrong. I do know the Book of Mormon is false, but we can’t spread hate.
Let me tell you that Jesus Christ loves you. I encourage you to read the Bible from time to time.
I pray you find Jesus in the end.
Jesus loves you.
Ex member here. She is 100% correct.
i kind of feel bad watching this because she used the words “you can’t” more than 20 times. mormons can do whatever they want. sometimes they choose not to do things that distract them from god. being mormon is not about following rules!!!
being mormon is about believing that joseph smith was a prophet of god. everything else is just christian.
is not that you are not allowed , you do as much as you have understand and you learn to be honest to yourself.
So many inacurasies.
Name one.
Church is not three hours long, the Book doesn't say people of color are cursed, women can wear pants... that's three.
@@eldastu9387
Used to be 3 hours long not that long ago. Bad memory?
@@eldastu9387
Yes it does say they are cursed with dark skin. Might want to read it again.
@@eldastu9387
Women who wear pants to church will be asked to not to do it again. That is a fact.
You folks don’t get it. Joseph Smith really did see God the father and Jesus Christ in a simple answer to prayer. John the Baptist , Peter , James and John came too. The sealing power is again on the earth and prophets and apostles now guide His church. I KNoW this is true. All this other junk is just accusatory fog.
Any evidence that he did? Didn't think so.
Nobody's gona get it if they don't want to!! Be patient the 2nd coming will reveal the truth
Let's weigh the amount of evidence in order to make a good determination.
1) Joseph Smith did not tell anyone he had seen God the Father and Jesus Christ, and it wasn't until 1838 that he had his scribe write it down -- years after the claimed event. Assistant Church Historian Dr. James B. Allen wrote an article in 1966 saying that "none of the available contemporary writings about Joseph Smith in the 1830's, none of the publications of the Church in that decade, and no contemporary journal or correspondence yet discovered mentions the story of the first vision...."
The first time Joseph Smith told of his First Vision it was 1832 when he said it was a visitation of "the Lord" who told him his sins were forgiven. He said (and he wrote in his own handwriting) "I saw the Lord." Joseph Smith did not say he saw the Father.
Then in 1835 he dictated an account to his scribe, Warren Parrish, who wrote it in Joseph Smith's 1835-6 Diary. In this account Joseph says "A pillar of fire appeared above my head,...a personage appeared in the midst of this pillar of flame which was spread all around, and yet nothing consumed, another personage appeared, he said unto me 'thy sins are forgiven thee, he testifyed [sic] unto me that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; and I saw many angels in this vision."
Joseph did not claim these personages were the Father and the Son until 1842. Even the Deseret News did not say Joseph Smith had seen the Father and the Son. In 1852 they published the church's account of Joseph Smith First Vision, where they said Joseph had given an account of his "first Visitation of Angels, which was when I was about fourteen years old..."
It was not until Joseph Smith CHANGED his theology away from a Trinitarian viewpoint over to a belief that God and Jesus were personages of separate bodies that Joseph Smith began to claim he saw the Father and the Son. His accounts of the First Vision did not start until 1832 when he wrote down one account saying he "saw the Lord." In 1832 he still believed in the Trinity. He gradually changed his theology until 1842 when he developed the idea that God the Father and Jesus were 2 separate persons.
The story regarding Peter, James and John coming to visit was concocted much later. In fact Joseph never even gave a date, month or year when Peter, James and John supposedly visited. You'd think he would have remembered that!!!! Date unknown, is all we know. Also this newly developing theology conflicts with Joseph Smith's earlier theology. Notice Joseph Smith has a Prophet state in the Book of Mormon that the dead will not rise until the Second Coming (Alma 40:2). So how could the resurrected Peter, James, and John have physically appeared to Joseph Smith? These glitches (and there are many more) are evidence that Joseph Smith concocted these stories, just as he concocted the Golden Plates, and the story of Moroni, who in the earliest accounts is named as being "The Prophet Nephi."
And you KNOW this is true? How? Because you have a "feeling." The followers of Jim Jones (People's Temple) *also had a strong witness from God* that Jim Jones was God's spokesman. And they were willing to die for this testimony! And they did die for it.
Are you claiming that YOUR testimony is the only valid one, and everyone else who has a witness about a faith that conflicts with yours is incorrect? Of course that is your claim. The *Followers of Heaven's Gate all testified of the Truthfulness* and warm witness from God they had of their faith.
FEELINGS are NOT TRUTH. The Truth is found by having EVIDENCE to back it up. There is NONE for Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. WAKE UP before it is too late!
He was high on psychedelics what do you expect?🤣
This is severely out of date. Services are now only 2 hours long, and women may wear pants. Even I know this and I'm not a Mormon!
Some are actually not true I'm a very active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints and through all my experience I didn't experience anything like sadness , loneliness and badness all of the other members are very nice when it's your first time going to our church the people act like you really belong there as if you have been there for like years so don't hate our religion because LDS members are very nice people ❤❤❤❤
mormonism reminds me of islam, which at one point was also considered heretical Christianity.
mohammed also had many wifes, he had 11.
(one of mohammeds wifes was 6.)
both mohammed and smith got their revelation from an "angel"
(galations 1-8-12 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! As we have.)
LDS is not like Islam. Islam comes from the same family of Jewish and Christianity. Ishmael and Isaac the brothers, one became Muslim and the other Jewish….LDS is from Joseph Smith.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 the more I learn every day about islam the more I see contradictions with the bible , and allah doesn't have the same description and mentality as god in bible
Accusatory fog. That’s all this is. I’m not swayed.
I suppose you are just not smart enough or curious enough to properly research.
*Accurate statements.
Fixed that for you.
@@haydenhodges34 imagine leaving LDS because rainbow flags are banned. thats literally against ALL religions LOL. every time I've watched one of these videos the people leaving always do it for the pettiest of reasons
Sounds like a based religion, taking a stand against lgbt hysteria.
well thats like every religion no? mormonism is still trash
Yeah this woman apparently just became a leftist and that’s why she left the church.
Priesthood holders have to wear white shirts and black ties
I am a current practicing member. A lot of this is technically correct (at least the base of what is being discussed, not her comments about it) but a lot of it is pretty wrong or personal choice. I love my religion. Everyone has their choice to oppose it. I just feel sorry and hope everyone the best. It is sad to see how much deception comes from former member though. I don’t believe it’s purposeful deception, but it is sad to see.
Keep grazing, sheep
Holy shit could you be more full of yourself? Save your sorrys and sadness for your fellow mormons, the rest of us don't need your condicending bs.
@@aerathorgreywulf6483 Excuse me?
@@aerathorgreywulf6483keep scrolling, freak
Thank you for exposing these frauds. Much respect.
Where is the hard evidence?
@@ethanwilson4442
The Book of Abraham is the most debunkable part of Mormonism.
The way they take things out of context
There are these two mormon missionaries I see sometimes when I go running. They bug me sometimes, but they keep thier distance from me because of my appearance. Lol I am heavily tattooed and I'm very ain't Social. Lol
hey you fuckers I want join go in temple next week lets do it record that shiat
Coke is okay because they became the majority shareholder in Coca Cola and changed the rules.
I hate defending this church but you’re lying. They are not the majority shareholder of this company. You clearly don’t understand how “even more rich” they would be if they were the majority shareholder of this company.
Haha, so true. Can't have a simple coffee or tea, but highly sugary and caffeinated Sodas and energy drinks are perfectly normal. Makes sense.
I'm a Mormon and I'm also 16 years old. Wherever you went to church they must have not been following the basic guidelines. I go to church in Maryland and are LDS church is nothing similar to that. I'd never even seen those outfits and I have personally gone in the temple for Sealings. Let's try to not spew exaggerated and false information just because you got upset along the way.
Oh honey, I thought the same thing before going through the temple. They keep the full truth from you until the day of your endowments. “Sacred, not secret.” And by then, it’s too late. Get out while you still can.
@@bdw2517 don't oh honey me what do you think this is. I have had my parents tell me what goes on I there, and its nothing crazy.
😂😂 oh Joseph your already lost , I live in snowflake Az and there is a temple here all the crazy stories that happen inside the temple alone from family friends and family that left the church and tell the truth it’s not a church it’s a cult!!! Those long ugly white underwear are funny to see. I have slept with a few married women that have to wear those things all the time and omg 😂 there funny looking. Plus every 10 yrs or so they change something about the church and in there scriptures for the new generation , like blacks not being able to go to church to how many wives they can have and so on an so on. If it was truly gods words they would never have to change anything. Go Learn about the Mormon murders 😢 that is crazy and the assassination attempt on Joseph smith from Brigham young 😂😂😂 it’s all nutz
@@josephharper988 If your parents are old enough to have gone through in the 90s then they did the version where you mimed slitting your throat and stomach as punishment for telling people the secrets of the temple. 😬
Also there's no way you've done endowment sessions if you've never seen those outfits. You're not old enough to have seen them yet.
I grew up Mormon and worked in a private club that had Mormon church leaders dripping in diamond rings and drinking coke.. coincidence? I think not.
Also was forced to do baptisms for the deceased and they were in white robes chanting.. still have no clue what I was actually forced into as a child.. creepy
Luckily I haven't had any Mormon Missionaries come to my door well I'm always hiding upstairs.
So happy for you that you were able to escape that nasty cult.
I’m lds, and I am in Nevada, and it really it not really much what you said.
Some valid points and others are invalid. Dresses instead of pants are Biblical, rainbow nonsense is forbidden by the Bible and women getting jobs does hurt the family because their role is clearly defined in the book of Titus and their needs are met in the home. The rest of it she’s correct about, I noticed they were weird when they tried to recruit me too
lol so half of these things are not church doctrine. We are allowed to wear pants to church, there’s no dress code. “Come as you are” is a quote we strongly believe in. Also women missionaries are allowed to wear dress pants. In addition to that, on Sundays, there’s no strict rule on what we have to do. Most follow the Bible, keep the sabbath day holy. However the personal families interpret that, is up to them and them alone. I go out to eat and play sports on Sundays 🤷🏻♀️, but I know many families who prefer to spend time with each other and don’t spend money on Sundays (which actually is in the Bible, not making people work on Sunday’s, so a lot of mormons don’t support people having to work on Sunday, so they won’t spend money at those places).
The church is all about AGENCY. You can do as you please. I’ve seen a lot of ex mormons complain about how they never could do anything as a mormon and how it’s a cult, but just because you grew up in a strict mormon family, does not mean that all mormons are that way or that the church tells us to be that way. The church might give recommendations , but it’s never a rule. You can always do what you want to, you have agency.
I joined the church when I was 19, so I have seen it from both sides. I have a very strong opinion on the ex mormon community and the hate we get. I can understand why some people feel hurt by people of the church. But something i’m very strong about is just because you were hurt by people of the church does not mean our doctrine is false and also doesn’t mean every mormon is bad. You have to remember the reason why you’re there, which is God. You’re not there for the members of the church. That’s why i’m strong on people needing to gain a testimony of the Book of Mormon. Because if you’re just a member because you grew up a mormon and you don’t have that personal relationship with God or that testimony of the Book of Mormon, obviously you’ll probably want to leave, because humans are humans and they might say something offensive that could you hurt you. We have to realize that the people of the church are not perfect. Same thing for even the leaders of our church. We are all human and make mistakes, and we have to remember that we are at church for God alone. The church is not perfect, only God is.
I grew up strict Baptist, and had people say things all the time that made me want to leave. I ended up leaving the church after realizing they didn’t have half the answers I was looking for, and I also had no personal relationship to God. After years of basically being non religious, I felt so empty and lost. After joining the “mormon” church, I found God again, and have strengthened my relationship with Him so much more than ever before. I am way happier than I have ever been and love the church. I’ve had things said to me by members and I don’t even have a lot of friends in the church, but I can’t deny how the temple makes me feel and how truly better my life has been since i’ve joined.
All I can say is, for those who judge mormons, seeking information from actual members and praying and asking God about our church, could really change your perspective.
This is the gospel of Christ 👉(1Cor 15:1-4). This gospel was a mystery =Ephesians 6:19/Romans 16:25,26
Nobody knew about Jesus death burial and resurrection before His death.
But
In the book of Mormon the gospel of Christ was being preached before His death, which is not true.
“I feel like causing problems”. YES GIRL😂👏🏽♥️
Not cool yk I have been apart of the church my whole life I love it and it sad to see people's hate but we still love them and we love each other we have fun We are like family 👪 ❤
@@Tu1ip_sist3r k cool, no one asked you babe 👋🏼
@@Tu1ip_sist3r I totally feel you. Many people just dog pile on the church without even seeing how amazing it is for families. It's hard to voice your opinion when anything you say gets immediately denied. Keep fighting, the reward is great in heaven, and we can help some people along the way 😊
I thank GOD the FATHER & GODDESS the MOTHER, for restoring the TRUE CHURCH back on earth, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
With zero evidence to support any of it.
@@jeffs4483 Your comment perfectly reveal your extreme lack of knowledge, and rebelliousness, against the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.
@@VAATAUSILI4139
Ex Mormon here. Show me ANY evidence for ANY of it.....means it's a fraud.
@@VAATAUSILI4139
Got ANY answers to the CES Letter yet? Didn't think so.
@@jeffs4483 People like you, that are extremely lacking knowledge and rebelliousness is what JESUS CHRIST warned us Members of HIS CHURCH, the only TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, we should never cast pearls to Swines like you.
Quite a few of your points a) are not unique to Mormones and b) make perfect sense of you want to live a happy and healthy lifestyle in a functional society
They even go to extremely poor countries like the Philippines where people are desperate, gullible and easy to manipulate.
Ex member here. This is 100% true.
No?
Half of this video is either lies or misleading at best. I’m ex member as well but she’s not telling the truth.
I HATE defending this religion but I also hate peoples misleading/lying. Here are some examples of her not telling the truth.
She claims that “up until 1978, anyone other than pasty white people, could not WORSHIP or hold any position in the church.” THIS is an example of one truth and one lie. Block people couldn’t hold the Melchizedek Priesthood that is true. It is a LIE that black people couldn’t worship in the church.
Woman ARE allowed to wear pants to church. This video is from 2022. She’s lying. Women might have been “looked down upon” for wearing pants to church but they absolutely CAN wear pants to church. Female missionaries do it.
Church is NOT 3 hours long. This used to be true but it changed to two hours in 2019, 3 years before this video was uploaded. LIE.
One persons opinion on women working is not official church doctoring. She’s not lying here someone likely said it but that’s one person’s interpretation.
You CAN be gay at BYU, you cannot, however, perform same sex acts. While I don’t agree with this, it’s misleading nonetheless.
Utah is not considered “the holy land.” It’s not the Mecca like in Islam or Jerusalem etc. Some may have called it a holy land but it’s not doctrinal. this is misleading and untrue.
Respect to you. 🙌🏾
I am a member and I can attest that essentially every part of this is not true. To whomever made this, is it really worth lying to those who do not know of the lies in which you speak? Does it make you feel good to lie?
I despise my fraudulent cullt, and have not attended in years, but to be honest, basically NOTHING she says is true ... be angry for the things the "church" actually does and the liies they spin ... don't make up nonsense of your own ...
Every bit of it was true. Every single statement t. Name one thing that wasn't.
@@haydenhodges34 I HATE defending this religion but I also hate peoples misleading/lying. Here are some examples of her not telling the truth.
She claims that “up until 1978, anyone other than pasty white people, could not WORSHIP or hold any position in the church.” THIS is an example of one truth and one lie. Block people couldn’t hold the Melchizedek Priesthood that is true. It is a LIE that black people couldn’t worship in the church.
Woman ARE allowed to wear pants to church. This video is from 2022. She’s lying. Women might have been “looked down upon” for wearing pants to church but they absolutely CAN wear pants to church. Female missionaries do it.
Church is NOT 3 hours long. This used to be true but it changed to two hours in 2019, 3 years before this video was uploaded. LIE.
One persons opinion on women working is not official church doctoring. She’s not lying here someone likely said it but that’s one person’s interpretation.
You CAN be gay at BYU, you cannot, however, perform same sex acts. While I don’t agree with this, it’s misleading nonetheless.
Utah is not considered “the holy land.” It’s not the Mecca like in Islam or Jerusalem etc. Some may have called it a holy land but it’s not doctrinal. this is misleading and untrue.
-Now that I have provided facts can you please tell me one thing I have said that is untrue?
@@haydenhodges34 church being over 2 hours long
@kit-riv1 Church was three hours long until recently. Also, many with the "higher" callings were there much longer for meetings.
When I was in multiple bishoprics, we would start at 7:00 AM and often stay until 3:00 to even 5:00 PM. That's 8- to 10-hours.
believe me they did NOT remove your name from their church list.
i’ll bet you are sorely missed
They miss her tithing checks and free labor.
😂
Getting brainwashed into this cult as a child is one thing but there is no excuse for an adult person of average intelligence to get sucked in.
What's bad about banning rainbow flags?
I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (formerly known as Mormons) and I just wanted to share my testimony. I know that our Savior Jesus Christ is the only way back to heaven. Not just by knowing Him, but by obeying Him and His laws. And His greatest commandment is to love thy neighbor. We have no right to judge, we must always forgive, and must love all. My faith in Jesus Christ is firm and unwavering. And I believe the spirit of God is the best thing one can have, hear, and feel. I pray we all follow the way of the Lord and repent of ours sins and ways of the world. I pray for no empty seats in Heaven 🤍🙏🏽
Freedom of religion is also Freedom from religion.
Great testimony thanks for sharing.
Don't feel bad this didn't get that much likes or stuff people come here to hear something bad about the church and won't even finish reading anything positive about it
That was a very nice way of putting it. I am totally for tithing and following the 10 commandments and the teachings of Jesus. I do not believe we can buy our way into heaven, or work our way into heaven. Yes we give money and have faith ...we do not judge lest God will judge us for doing so. I love a man who is very LDS and I pray every day he will wake up and know Jesus is the way. He is the best man I have ever known but due to church control and teaching he never believes he is good enough. That is sad. They need to be sued for covering for abuse as well both of children and wives.
Hahaha I love the momoms
Not me.
ask them for newname
While there are appropriate responses to all of these statements, perhaps the one to share should be regarding women wearing pants in church. Since the first chapter in the Bible, God has demanded respect from all of His creations. In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, we love our Heavenly Father and show that love by having respect for Him, for others, and for ourselves. Since the beginning of time, respect was shown for God by wearing the finest clothes which were available when attending worship services. For millenia, men and women were expected to wear clothing which was modest and appropriate to their gender when entering places dedicated to worship. I would be surprised if you could find any Christian church before the 1950’s, in the United States or possibly the world, where women were not required to routinely wear a dress when in the chapel or it’s equivalent. It is still a sign of respect for the men to at least wear a white shirt, slacks and a tie to church, and a suit is considered most appropriate. While the Savior would never exclude a sincere seeker of truth from any participation in His church, there are many ways to see that all understand and are able to show the proper respect for the ordinances. For at least the last 30 years, I am not aware of any ward (congregation) where someone was barred from entering the chapel because of their dress. If their clothing is too immodest, there are usually several members ready to loan them appropriate substitutes and assist them in preparing to worship properly. Women who are investigating the church often attend wearing pants, and usually no comment is made, unless questioned. If they continue to attend, they quickly recognize the difference in clothing and generally start dressing to blend with the other attendees. It is a shame that, even within the church, each succeeding generation seems to be being taught less and less about respect for Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, and respect for others and themselves. As an additional comment: for approximately the past six years, sister missionaries have been allowed to wear pants while proselyting.
You guys can disrespect are church all you want I still believe
This is the only true church of Christ that even makes sense. Truly. No other denomination of Protestant or Catholic or Orthodox is pure in doctrine. Ours is and stands in perfect harmony with the Bible. I have discovered this after years of studying the history of the church and studying the Bible. Keep holding on to that rod brother.
There is now shame if you're still in the church or if you left HF gave us agency after all
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This is the gospel of Christ
👉(1Cor 15:1-4). This gospel was a mystery =Ephesians 6:19/Romans 16:25,26
Before Jesus death, nobody knew about Jesus death burial and resurrection.
But
The book of Mormon disagrees with this.
@@PastGensRead the CES letter
I’m no longer a member. But, not all of these things are accurate.
That’s all. ❤
I posted a longer response that shows how many things she’s either lying or misleading people about. Not a fan of this church but telling those who don’t know anything as if these are all facts is wrong. Some truths but half of this video is untrue.
Yes they are not like most of the other "exposing" videos
Name one.
@@jeffs4483 please read several of my comments on other posts for this video cause I’m not watching it again but I’ll say one easy one. She says that church is 3 hours long, it used to be but the changes it to 2 hours, 2 years before she posted this video. Not a huge falsehood but untrue nonetheless. Some others were much more egregious misinformation
@@jeffs4483 That you have to pay to get into heaven. As a Mormon I can say what we believe is that there are three heavens for three different groups of people people will be equally as happy in each one of them and the only way to not go into one is to be a satin worshiper.
some of this is incorrect
Name one.
@@jeffs4483 women can wear pants, people can drink caffeine in our church, church is 2 hours long, you're allowed to watch Tv on Sundays. Children don't have to pay tithing from their allowance. the church isn't forcing anything, as long as u stay modest and keep the Sabbath holy
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All lies. Nice try.
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What a Liar.
@@jeffs4483 I HATE defending this religion but I also hate peoples misleading/lying. Here are some examples of her not telling the truth.
She claims that “up until 1978, anyone other than pasty white people, could not WORSHIP or hold any position in the church.” THIS is an example of one truth and one lie. Block people couldn’t hold the Melchizedek Priesthood that is true. It is a LIE that black people couldn’t worship in the church.
Woman ARE allowed to wear pants to church. This video is from 2022. She’s lying. Women might have been “looked down upon” for wearing pants to church but they absolutely CAN wear pants to church. Female missionaries do it.
Church is NOT 3 hours long. This used to be true but it changed to two hours in 2019, 3 years before this video was uploaded. LIE.
One persons opinion on women working is not official church doctoring. She’s not lying here someone likely said it but that’s one person’s interpretation.
You CAN be gay at BYU, you cannot, however, perform same sex acts. While I don’t agree with this, it’s misleading nonetheless.
Utah is not considered “the holy land.” It’s not the Mecca like in Islam or Jerusalem etc. Some may have called it a holy land but it’s not doctrinal. this is misleading and untrue.
if you search for wrong you will find wrong. In EVERYTHING
“I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives.
It really is a cult
What would Jesus have done in this situation because he loves all and does not hate on anyone, John 8:7 “So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
Are we being true to The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost
99% of this is just your parents being strict
Mormonism/LDS is the equivalent of Diet Scientology.
Listen, I understand why you may not belive in our church, but please just let us believe what we know to be true. Church has actually been 2 hours long since 2018. Do your reaserch. Plus, your only mentioning one man here, most of us are just chill. And I think you should also know how many people had more than one wife in the 1820s. A LOT!
Definitely hasn’t been to church since she was 8
Ya that church ain’t guided by the true god
lol I left because I don’t wanna marry someone I’m related to other then that she’s wrong on most of these