Mormons Explained | What is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? LDS Mormons Explained
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- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, also known as the Mormon church or LDS church is a Christian denomination with millions of members worldwide. But what do they believe in? In this short video we’ll dive into the most important details, including their history, practices, beliefs, and just about anything else you’d need to know about Mormonism.
#mormons #lds #religion
I'm baptist, but someone approached me today and told me he was from the church of LDS. I didn't know what that was, so i told him i would do some research; I like learning about different denominations of christianity. I didnt realize the LDS was just the name of the church for mormons. I don't accept the book of mormon, but I can respect my fellow Christians all the same. We all believe in the same core concept, and I pray we are all redeemed, despite slight differences in practices and interpretations of the word.
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Amen 🤍🙏🏼 It would seem Redemption in the blood of Jesus Christ is key 🗝️ however, they Also believe Adam as man was GOD and this is not so, also the Bible warns about changing his word changing anything one word in the Bible is really bad! Joseph Smith & Brigham Young not only changed it but added to it and rearranged God's word. ✝️ I am praying salvation in Jesus Christ and a True love for Him is sufficient here as well. 🙏🏼👑 God's will be done forever and ever, Amen.🤍
@PearlofJesus747 the original texts were hebrew and greek. No english translation can be perfect. There's many different wording depending on what translation you read. Some aim for a word for word translation, while others aim to better articulate the thought for thought.
That's funny. I thought as a Christian.. you did not believe in polygamy.
In the 1838 account of JS vision, he claimed Jesus told him that all churches were wrong (don’t join any), all Christian creeds are an abomination and all its professors are corrupt. The church had fallen into complete apostasy with the gospel needing to be restored and the Church reorganized.
If Jesus is the Head of the Church (Ephesians 1:22-23) and promises to protect His Bride so that even the gates of hell would not prevail against it (Matthew 16:17-18), how could the Gospel have been corrupted and His Church fallen into complete apostasy?
1. What entity other than the gates of hell prevailed against His Church, causing the true gospel and His Church to be wrong/lost?
2. What power greater than Christ, did His church succumb too?
3. Did Jesus break His promise of protection, evidenced in Her need to be reorganized?
4. Would Jesus talk poorly about His Bride to anyone?
The LDS claim of needed restoration is ultimately accusing Christ of being a liar, weak, incompetent and unfaithful.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Thank you. How refreshing, an actual true account. As a member of the church of Jesus Christ of LDS. You have no idea how many times people have said to me, oh, but you're not Christian. His very Holy Name is in the name of our church. We pray in the name of our, Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ, when we gather. We are Christian, yup we are. Thank you again.
You aren’t, Mormonism is fan fiction & every denomination unanimously agrees
A few things were missing. Polygamy didn't end in 1890 but in 1910, there were more than one "first vision". Finances didn't show that the Church was presently worth $230billion and recently was fined $5million by the Federal Commerce Commission for hiding finances in shell corporations. And member still believe in polygamy in the next life or the Celestial Kingdom though it is not legal in this life. And for 6 years in its history, it was renamed "The Church of the Latter-Day Saints", omitting the name of Jesus in the title. So if you are interested in this or any denomination, be sure you read and study a lot.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u Mormons when they see a black person in their house of God (black skin is the mark of Cain)
But it wasn't always in the name. There was a 6-year period when the church changed its name to The Church of the Latter-Day saints. You can Google "The Kirtland Temple" and on that temple it says The Church of the Latter-Day Saints. I think the Church is Christian but there was that time. Mainline Christians believe in the Trinity and you don't. That's why they don't think you are Christian.
@@MusicLover99982 Not so. The year that Mormon candidate for President, Mitt Romney ran, many were against Mormonism saying it was not Christian but Billy Graham a very big name in Evangelical Christendom told people that Mormons were Christians.
Why did I feel like I shouldn't laugh when you said magic seeing stones? How is that not a red flag?
"seer stones" actually was a normal christian belief in 1800's
Is that any more of a red flag than the Red Sea being parted or a man walking on water or a woman being turned into a pillar of salt?
you mean like a cell phone.. imagine if you tried to explain a cell phone in Jesus' time?
Very well done. Accurate. Factual. Neutral. As a former Mormon from SLC I often find I’m defending the many innacurrate often boldly fictional portrayals of both the church & its members. I despise the use of embellishments & fiction being used at ANY level when describing fact especially people, beliefs &/or groups of people which since leaving Mormonism Ive found a literal vast majority of people have significant errors &/or discrepencies in their views, beliefs & descriptions of the LDS church & its teachings, principals & especially how its members believe & behave. I hate using lies to describe anything & just because I personally don’t believe in the teachings, I respect & honor those who do & the truth & reality behind it all. Plain & simple. Thank you for one of, if not the best accurate neutral descriptions & portrayals of the facts of the LDS church & its members & their history & teachings. Truly unbiased & true. I appreciate it. (Sure wish all media was like you lol)
Thank you! You found my video to be exactly how it was intended. 👍🏼
Totally agree (as a current "mormon" aka member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints). It's like here is what the believe take it or leave it.
u said specially how the member believe and behave. how do Mormons behave?
@@SteveWhite-tu2gn did you mean beliefs and practices? I don’t think I ever reference behavior…
I have to do the same thing.
Thanks for this explanation. I know very little about Mormonism, and I just wanted an un-biased set of information.
If you know nothing about moronism then how can you determine if something is unbiased or not? 😅
@@bbyshady because there's no persuasion to like or dislike the lds church in the video. It's just stating information about the church/religion.
Same
@@IllustratetoEducate Some of the information but not all.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u can you expound? I’m not sure I follow what you’re saying.
Pretty accurate with no major errors. Astounding how rare something as simple as that is, most people try to frame mormonism as a cult and spread misinformation. Of course this video is still very brief and skims over a lot of details, but there's only so much you can go through in under 7 minutes. Overall, good job!
Thanks! Yeah the video could go much much longer. There shouldn’t be any errors in this video, but maybe by lack of detail, one could make incorrect assumptions?
@@IllustratetoEducate You did an excellent job. Many have an agenda, and that flavours the presentation. You did a great job presenting the facts of our beliefs and practices in a non-judgemental and honest way. Thank you.
@@TheYgds thank you so much!! 😊
Take some time to study the B.I.T.E model online and the origins of Utah and you will see if the LDS church is a cult or not.
Cult no. Heretics? Yes. No offense.
When you say the bible has errors. You are saying a perfect infinite God cannot preserve his perfect infinite word. Anything you build upon that, by discounting Timothy as a reliable teaching, even though it says scripture makes up perfect, is a castle built on sand. Saying we can be more perfect than perfect from scripture, by creating new doctrine. Is exactly what the bible warns against, so many times.
You make God fallable, by your own admission that his word has not been preserved. And take away Pauls authority, given to him by God by discounting what he teaches in Timothy because he teaches it to a certain people.
But with God, a teaching is for all men for all time. Its not just a here and now thing, its God's literal word. And thats not even getting into the whole we can be sinless and just be taken to heaven. When John said, If we claim to be without sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us.
There is no foundation, you ripped it up. And tried to build a house on sand.
So… someone wrote a fairytale book and people take it as basis for religion? 🙄 can’t be more made up than Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, and the Christian Bible of course.
Also would like to see one on Quakers, Puritans, Pilgrims
Pilgrim is not a religion. It refers to a traveler.
@@rtopalovich Neither is Quaker of Puritan. There are 5 main groups of believers in the world according to numbers by Pew Research. #1 Christianity, #2 Islam, #3 The nones, #4 Hindu, #5 Buddhist.
A know and understand a little bit more and more! Keep up the great work!!!
Glad to hear it! Thanks for the support!
It is hard to find a video that is truly informative and unbiased regarding what the LDS Church believes, all of the other videos are either “I left that cult because this is what they believe in and why they are wrong”, or are videos by Mormons themselves. Thank you.
About to watch Book of Mormon, thanks for explaining! 👍
Truthfully, there's no absolute proof that mormon beliefs are true, nor any other religion really
There’s no absolute proof anything is true, but to deny everything on the basis of that is insanity.
@@JetTheOneAndOnly Well said. It's a plea for moral relativism.
Most things that are True have tons of evidence to support them. Whereas false things have tons of evidence to contradict them.@@JetTheOneAndOnly
@@clearstonewindows You cannot prove that god exists. No one ever has. And you can't use a storybook for proof.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u read the book, then come back and comment.
Do one on Apostolic, Assemblies of God, Four square church, Church of Christ, Church of the Nazarene, Unitarian Universalist, Scientology, Armenian and Arian Christian
I was just approached tonight by 2 people from the LDS. I couldn't recall most of what I learned about them years ago. Would have liked to have had a better conversation, beside just hearing them say a few short things about their faith. I.E. being Christians, and only following the Bible, and how they aren't Mormon. Thanks for the recap and short version of their beliefs.
As you continue to study, please consider this. In the 1838 account of Joseph Smiths first vision, Smith claims that Jesus told him this, (Jesus speaking of all Christian churches) “I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
Joseph was told that the Gospel needed to be restored and the Church reorganized. The Church had fallen into complete apostasy.
Now consider this. If Christ is the head of His Church/Bride (Ephesians 1:22-23) and promises to build and protect His Church (Matthew 16:17-19 -…and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it), ask the missionaries next time you see them these 4 questions:
1. What greater thing than the gates of hell was able to prevail against(defeat) His Church.
2. To what power, greater than Jesus, did His Church succumb too?
3. Did Jesus break His promise, failing to protect His Bride?
4. Would Jesus, the head of His Church, speak so poorly of His Bride to Joseph Smith?
Please continue in your research and study, and pray th that these missionaries come to a real faith in Christ.
Blessing
Are you sure they were LDS? May have been a different branch of religion altogether like Jahovia Witness
@@gregoryfugal4722 going off what they said. They claimed to be from the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints.
@@fescot6659 Well to be fair, gates are defensive structures, therefore, the verse in Matthew isn't saying that the church will withstand the attacks of the enemy but rather the enemy won't withstand the attacks of the church. Satan's time is over.
@@blusheep2using the word “gates” isn’t meant to be used to describe or understand the meaning of “gates”. This term was used to describe the power of Satan and his constant attack of God and all who belong to Him or would come to know Him. The power of Satan would not be victorious as he was defeated through the death and resurrection of Christ. With that being said, it is impossible for a universal apostasy as the LDS claim.
Can You make a video about what is totalitarianism
Definitely! That’s been one I’ve wanted to do for a while.
@@IllustratetoEducate If Project 2025, the 930-page conservative blueprint is implemented, we will know in short order what totalitarianism is about. Most people want a dictator.
Wasn't this uploaded before?
Believe so. I think they updated a couple things.
Yes it was. But the music was too loud and I received a ton of complaints about it.
@@IllustratetoEducate ok, makes sense.
@@IllustratetoEducateIsaiah 5:13, Luke 21:24 tell us that the church went into captivity, So explain how is the LDS the church without lying
@@james8996 idk. You’ll have to ask them… I don’t own the church.
I like how you didn't depict jesus as a white man. You got a subscribe from me for that
😌 thank you!
thank you for the brief and educating overview
Thank you
You're welcome
I’m Mormon. This was a well explanation. Jesus is the messiah! May he bless you.
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agreed!
Friend, all the love of Christ to you but in no way is He the brother of Satan. That is blasphemy gone wild. Also, consider Psalms 147:19-20
"19 He declares his word to Jacob,
his statutes and rules to Israel.
20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation;
they do not know his rules.
Praise the Lord!"
Was Joseph Smith a Jew? No
Was Joseph Smith ever in Israel for anything? No
@@choward5430 Mormons are forbidden to discuss Anointing ceremonies prescribed by Creepy Joseph Smith, Jr. Mormons are forbidden to discuss these, even among spouses. They are changed these ceremonies after word spread about their creepiness. My wife was stripped naked during the pre-1990 anointing ceremonies and had a stranger anoint here genitals with olive oil. She began to question if these " most perfect" ceremonies were ordained by God, why did the Mormons change them in response to their Perverse nature? Also, the ceremonies performed inside the temple are stolen from Masonic rituals; Smith was a Freemason until expelled for immoral acts.
You sound like a mainstream Christian and not a Mormon.
Can you make a video about the differences between Catholicism Protestantism and orthodoxy
Great idea! I do currently have a video comparing Catholics and Protestants if you search in my channel.
I find it sad with how big Catholicism is in the Philippines.
Thanks!
No problem!
This is excellently done and accurate
The mormons do so many things right. Living in utah, they are a lot of fun to know and hang out with.
I learned a lot in my rather short time as a member.
Because I no longer believe in that church, I have been shunned by most of my neighbors and my family. Not fun for me.
I’d appreciate a video that went further into it, like how Joseph Smith claims you become a God after life.
What happened to the discussion on the LDS practice of apartheid until the mid-70s?
In 1978, President Spencer Kimball had a revelation giving Blacks the priesthood and the ability to be a full member.
Excellent 👍 video
Thank you very much!
Great!!
I’ve always been co fused about their idea of afterlife. For example, if a man and wife sealed, they spend eternity forever. Is this a separate or individual“heaven” for just those 2? Or heaven for all Mormons? If they have kids do the kids spend eternity in the parents heaven? Of so, what happens when the kids get married and sealed. Do they know go t a different heaven than either of their parents, like their own heaven as a couple? Cause then it seems like husbands and are the only ones to spend eternity together🤷🏽♀️. Is that where the polygamist lifestyle came to be?
They believe in 3 degrees of glory or heavens. The highest degree is called the celestial kingdom. This is where they believe in families being sealed together forever. As far as your question, it’s more or less the couple that is sealed together but their children and their spouses would also exist in the celestial kingdom as well. The ideal scenario is that everyone is sealed to their spouse and everyone enjoys heaven (whatever that might entail) together as one massive family where God also lives. The other kingdoms of glory - terrestrial and telestial are both supposed to be glorified as well and places better than earth. However, they are reserved for those who have not completed all the ordinances necessary for the highest degree or repented or fully accepted Jesus Christ’s sacrifice.
@@IllustratetoEducate I must say you did a very good job describing our beliefs. I am LDS.
Biblical references: John 14:2; 1 Corinthians 15:40-42; 2 Corinthians 12:2
However, the Doctrine & Covenants spells this out more clearly for us.
A glorious doctrine of hope and love! All possible through the atonement of Jesus Christ.
Thanks
I was just asked out by a guy who says he’s LDS so I needed to at least have some basics beforehand.
RUN
I’m a former mormon. Don’t be afraid ask questions. Lovely religion on the outside but tons of skeletons in the closet. Read the CES letter.
DO NOT DATE HIM. (I was born in the church) he most likely has sexist beliefs because of what the church teaches about women being less worthy of authority.
So how did the date go?
@@clearstonewindows not great. The more questions I asked. The more annoyed he got.
I am LDS and this is pretty good
I’m glad you find it to be a fair representation!
I agree. I am also LDS and it’s hard to find a fair objective outside perspective of our faith.
@@joechristiansen6016 did you marry your cousin 🤣🤣
@@Mendoza1414No? That’s sinful.
Your videos are Acedamy Award winning. You need to be heard far and wide, Americans need knowledge and Eduction during this time because Legacy News is not covering these topics.
I want to make poster boards of your Project 2025 video and bring them to 1A Protests. grateful so much for your work.
I wish more videos would come out on that scary Project 2025, before it is too late for us Americans.
Very informative, you should do a video on other Christian denomination religions, Christian Scientists, Seventh Day Adventist, Amish and Mennonite, Baptist, Catholic and Orthodox, Lutherans, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Methodist, Episcopal, Anglican, Calvinist, Bible Students, Shakers, Gideons, Moravian church
Lots of good ideas in here. I will save these for later. 👍🏼
If you want to learn about Mormons, don't ask JW's. If you want to know about Christian Scientists don't ask Episcopalians. Ask the people. in their church. YOu will get a lot less negative bias that way.
That's the truth I can testify
No, you are brainwashed. And in a cult.
Dope
Well done
Thank you! ☺️
Thanks for sharing this video I didn’t know a lot of this
Some of the stuff they believe in are similar to other Christians beliefs but at the end of the day it does give me cult vibes
That’s because it is a cult. Joseph Smith did not talk to God. He made all this shit up to start polygamy and have followers. And have power. It’s insane how many people still believe this crap with the Internet and technology we have today. I mean, people will believe anything.
What is a cult? Sounds like people call any faith a cult if it differs from their view. Does that sound right?
I’m a Mormon but like I’m not really religious I’m trying to learn more about my religion and other videos try to paint Mormonism as a cult and that it’s wrong but I beg to differ if you look most Mormon families have good values and I think it’s not a bad religion to be spreed around like do parts of it sound kinda sketchy yeah but the important part are the values and beliefs they try to impart on you and that’s the main point of religion so we have some sort of moral compass. And if you like family oriented religions practices the LDS might be for you
I am respectively providing the following discussions that may not have been explored by yourself regarding the Book of Abraham:
Mormon Stories #1339: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 1
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Mormon Stories #1340: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist Translates the Book of Abraham Pt 2
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Mormon Stories #1341: Dr. Robert Ritner - An Expert Egyptologist's View of the Book of Abraham Pt. 3
m.ua-cam.com/video/H70IdpLHhZE/v-deo.html
Mormon Stories is a channel of disgruntled former Mormons.. So definitely a biased source of info. So take it with a grain of salt.
@@LeoMichalekthese egyptologysts are not former mormons. They themselves are not biased
@@LeoMichalekcurrent mormons tend to treat their beliefs very dogmatically, so also very biased. It’s not a good practice to only look at one point of view.
@@LeoMichalek They have lots of active Mormons there along with members of other faiths. That is where I found out about the Gospel Topics Essays, which is approved by the top leaders of their church.
"Everyone will be shocked ..... 😲 "
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joseph smith would be unhappy with some of the interpretations today the pratices today .. catholic tooo um all these religions creations .. all are lately missing the foundation mark are offf track ... how you can tell is look at society
I do think that the gold plated manuscripts from God that can only be translated through magical glasses are kinda sus. Expecially compared to the Bible that we have actual predated manuscripts of (Dead Sea scrolls) and had the most supporting historical evidence for its authenticity out of any historical artifact.
They both come from a different ancient language. God uses tools as a way to help translate seemingly unintelligible scriptures
The LDS Church has the stone in their archives that Joseph Smith put in a hat to block out the light, He looked at that stone and translated the BoM. You can also read about that in the 1990 article of "The Ensign," by M. Russell Ballard, an apostle. And as for Christians with their Bible, there is no original copy of the manuscripts that were used to translate either the Old or the New Testaments so no one knows exactly what Jesus said.
You may have some manuscripts but you don't have the originals. That's why no one can ever know exactly what Jesus said. And if a manuscript were translated word for word say from Greek to English, people wouldn't read their Bibles. Translators have to add and take away words to make a script readable.
Finally, a none biased video!! Thank you!
None bias? Why missing the glaring racism and prejudice against blacks: the teaching in the 70s that blacks are descendants of Cain thus not worthy of holding the priesthood or any church offices
Against gays and lesbians that they’re not allowed for marriage in the church
How about the practice of polygamy starting from Joseph Smith and continued till it’s not politically accepted any more
Those abominable Mormon doctrines were only abandoned because of political pressure. Definitely NOT from any BS inspiration
You're welcome!!
Thank u so much... it said to me u can't were shoes in church??
Jah.
thank you Lord for allowing me to know better
Amen 🙏🏼
Did not talk about tithing that is an extremely important part to enter temples and getting any blessings
That is a big part of the joining the church and being active. Don't know how I missed it. My bad...
You do not have to be a tithe payer to enter temples or especially receive blessings. Tithing is heavily encouraged but not required to be a member. Blessings come to everyone, and you don't need to pay money to receive blessings, but one of the most important blessings tithing can give you is an abundance of wealth.
@@Keaton42 you do need to be a full tithe payer to enter temples (requirement for a temple recommend - question #10) unless you go during an open house for a new temple.
@@IllustratetoEducate You don't have to be, you just have to try your best as with all of the questions. Your 100% is all you can give. ( I have gotten a recommend multiple times without being a full tithe payer)
@@Kayson-Muir oh dear…that question is a pretty black and white question. Others I agree are a bit more grey. But this is not my place to judge. You do you. God bless! ❤️
as with many religions the apostles constantly had to remind as jesus did to not detour from foundations of church man always do .. they add or focus on things they choise if not reminded they .. really go off track all religions ......as we see ca tholics vere off to idols croses mary become praying fixures instead of jesipus confess to god repent replaned to confess to a priest prest exalted um christ becomes less .. mormans in the begining were founded on so much about jesus God but know its laws and the focus is on we dont we cant only um God jesus says come as you are i believe as years have gone on the churchers forgot to go back to the roots because in the begining they all were easily swayed or slightly focusing wrong paul or john reminds them so religion ir religious ideas interpretations are too much the focus ..religious thing or traditions get into more and more ridiculous things the churches were created for fellowship to help or suport each other to lift up each other .. not to judge or punish ... each otther the focus should be on christ christ God our personal walk our service our ...salvation
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As a member thank you for the accurate summary! Breath of fresh air!
You are so welcome!
by the way, where are the so-called GOLD PLATED MANUSCRIPTS that JS claimed to possessed?
They weren't gold plated, they were sheets of pure gold. And Joseph Smith gave them back to the angel when he was finished with them.
Also what's your basis for skepticism? It's not just Joseph Smith, dozens of people claimed to be eye witnesses of the gold plates, and everyone is consistent that they existed, even Joseph's enemies. Do you have any contemporary historical evidence that they didn't exist? Or do you just disbelieve because you personally think it's ridiculous and don't want to believe? There's far more evidence for the gold plates than there is for the existence of people like Socrates and Alexander the Great.
Where are the tablets that contain the 10 commandments and arc of the covenant?
There are testimonies of witnesses of the plates, you should find them and read them yourself.
Nowhere to be found because Smith made it all up. Ex member here.
@@sambro9134we have manuscripts as early as 150ad for the new testament... Latin, Greek, and the entirety of it can be copied from the early church fathers writings by 190ad.. the old testament existed before christ and we have copies earlier than the new testament...
@@bigtobacco1098 Brass Plates mean anything to you?
What does that have to do with Arc of the Covenant or Ten Commandments tablet?
And how is there a different Jesus? You haven’t read anything from the BofM have you?
It's really a very complicated church
It is VERY complicated and takes years to understand all of it.
It was good
I think they're correct because they're organized there organization
I have an honest question: how many Gods are?
How many Gods are there in Mormonism? Just one God.
@@IllustratetoEducate Is the Father God? Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God? Was there a God before the Father? What about Mormons who have died. Have some of them become Gods or will they become Gods?
@@IllustratetoEducate How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods...
Brigham Young (Journal of Discourses 7:333)
Isaiah 43:10 says,
“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was NO GOD FORMED,
Nor shall there be after Me.
@@MB777-qr2xv Good stuff! I’m not here to agree or disagree. Feel free to discuss with other viewers your research and thoughts. Illustrate to Educate doesn’t form opinions on the topics that are discussed. Purely objective and informational.
I wonder what they think a baptism after death does… a real baptism is accepting Christ as the spirit of god but you have to do that for yourself. And the Bible completely explains that and I know it works there are not any errors. Trust me people are checking for them constantly lol
They believe that the person they are being baptized on behalf of has the opportunity to accept or reject the baptism. While their spirit awaits the second coming of Christ.
@@drew123saulpaul it can’t help them the Bible never said that it could bro
It’s giving them the opportunity. Not forcing them against their will.
I can find lots of errors in the Bible. That is why it is not the inerrant word of God. When people wrote it they made mistakes. Divinity schools know all about these errors. Some Christian churches accept the fact that men make mistakes. If you don't think there are any mistakes, just ask me to tell you those scripture verses and I will. I took several online lecture courses from religious departments of universities and a divinity school. Having errors doesn't mean the Bible is not inspired. Anciently it was written in order to keep God's children on the right path. It was never intended to be a historical document.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u okay we’ll compare all the texts in the world and all completed translations then come back and say it again buddy… and pray to Jesus as much as you feel like finding an answer ;)
Can my daughter baptize me?
A female cannot baptize in the Mormon Church.
Okay hold up. Consider the following scripture Deuteronomy 12:32 “Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.”
1. If what Joseph Smith wrote was the word of God, why do you “renounce” certain teachings or polygamy? Aren’t you disobeying scripture by either adding to it and or diminishing it because you no longer practice those things?
2. If it was flawed, then wouldn’t that also put serious doubt on everything else that Joseph Smith translated?
How do you so easily gloss over those important points?
Faith. How do Bible readers pass over where in Revelation, Jesus said, "I will kill her children with death." or Isaiah where God says, "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes." or Numbers where Moses says, "All the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."?
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u but don’t remove context from this. Numbers, Exodus, Isaiah were all the OLD testament. Meaning that was the OLD covenant. It is the word of God and gives context but the NEW testament (NEW covenant) was established 2000 years ago by Jesus Christ.
The issue with LDS is that it was a testament of a man who was alive only 200 years ago. I known there is much more depth to all of the LDS beliefs but the account of Joseph Smith written by Mormon is what is most people cannot grasp due to the many flaws pointed out by Christian Scholars. I understand this feels right to LDS but just as your faith is telling you it’s right, mine is telling me it’s deeply flawed.
@@isaacrodriguez8907 I'm not a Mormon. I am a student of religion, especially Christianity. I study the history of Christianity, the Bible and its many translations and how it was put together and by whom. Over the past 15 years or so have taken several online college lecture courses from major university religion departments and one divinity school. I prefer to listen to objective evidence rather than theological guesses. I listen to podcasts from world-reknown Bible historians. From one podcast, I was referred to "The New Oxford Annotated Bible", 2400 pages. From this I understand how manuscripts that are different become part of a Bible-----textual criticism. I've studied from John Gafne, 30-year professor at Hebrew U. in Jerusalem, Bart D. Ehrman, an agnostic, probably the best Bible historian in the world, Molly Worthen, a strong Christian, AmyJill Levine, an Orthodox Christian and Douglass Knight, both from Vanderbilt Divinity School, and many more. One of my three hobbies as an old man is studying religion, but it would take me several lifetimes to even come close to the experts I've read. And since there is no original Bible, all religions based on the Bible are flawed. You can think you have the right one because God has chosen you but other people think the same thing.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u and truthfully I am okay with what knowledge I have. I am not going to be arrogant and say my way is the right way because as long as you accept Jesus as Lord and repent, then you are saved by grace. So I am happy and content because I don’t feel the need to obtain all this knowledge because no matter what path I go down, all go down a road that lead to uncertainty, religion or science. I choose to say it is simple, and accept that God has accomplished and created something beyond our comprehension. You might ask why, and I would say faith and the Holy Sprit (which has a much deeper meaning to a Christian than to a scholar in my opinion) and you might say/imply it’s a gut feeling, in so many words.
For me, the Bible says it is sufficient and that alone will take me a life time to understand. But just like those in the Bible I am willing to die for what I believe in and live without fear until that time comes. Which makes me and my family incredibly happy to follow the teachings of the Bible.
@@isaacrodriguez8907 If you are happy with what you believe, that's good. Tribes in jungles are happy with what they believe. Most church attending Mormons are happy with what they believe. Good for them. Muslims and Buddhists and Sihks and Jews are probably happy with they believe. I am an atheist and I am happy that I lack a belief in any god. And the 30% of Americans who are "nones" are probably happy with what they do or don't believe. No one should tell another what to believe. What I am opposed to is in this country, Christians seem to want to make this nation a Christian country and also to use the power of government to push Christian morals on the public. Religion should be separate from government.
On Mormons and polygamy, plural marriage is practice all around the globe and it is in the Old Testament story of Abraham and his wife Sarah and Abraham impregnating his handmaiden to have a son. Either the handmaiden was a mistress or a wife. Either God commanded adultery or else Abraham lived polygamy.
And remember that all English Bible are not the same. I remember a few years ago attending a small Baptist church Sunday school taught by the pastor. He read passages from his Bible. The man next to me had a different Bible version than did the Pastor and I had the KJV and we could really follow each other, because the wording was different and there have been several versions or translations before the KJV and many since so it is a bit lame saying that you follow the teachings of the Bible. You should say that you follow the teachings in your Bible, which is different from The Great Bible or The Bishop's Bible or the Tyndale Bible which were translated before the KJV. You need to do as I do and study about the translation of the Bible into English. It has been a difficult journey to get to English, and I have to re-study the processes, I being just an average American.
Is there any racism? Or is it allowed?
Racism is not an “official” aspect of the religion. It is a worldwide religion made up of every race on the planet.
We have a history of racism which even today we don't know why it happened or if it was just racist. Either way we condemn it because all are equal in the eyes of God. We regret our past with racism but trust in God that He had a reason for letting it happen (not saying God is racist, but the South did kind of hate us especially since Joseph was an abolitionist) Brigham Young was the one who implemented it but even he said that it wouldn't last forever
Blacks could not hold the priesthood until 1978. Sounds like racism to me.
The only thing I think you could change is saying Christ is the Son of god and I think you should be good and that the prophet/ president of the church is decided on by the 12 apostles and all need to agree on who should be the next prophet/ president of the church. Those were the only things I saw you get wrong don’t worry it’s a common mistake to make if you or your family member isn’t in a position to help lead the ward/stake/church.
The prophet is chosen by being the senior member of the Council of 12 Apostles when the current prophet dies. Been like that from the beginning.
Where are the golden plates now? We should have them somewhere since they are gold and should last a long time. They’re not in a museum somewhere? Oh they’re missing? What a coincidence. 😑
An angel took them back to heaven.
Why is their holy scripture only about native Americans? Why not any other country
Because the Book of Mormon is an account of a Prophet named Lehi who left Jerusalem before it was to be destroyed. Lehi’s family sailed across the ocean and eventually landed somewhere in the Americas. The Book or Mormon is an account of the people who lived in ancient America and the visitation of Jesus Christ to the people on the American continent after his resurrection.
the moment they declared that the Bible may be misleading and contains error and their Mormon book would correct the Bible, you just got to stop there and walk away...
Even assuming that's true, why does that matter?
The article of faith is "we believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it's translated correctly"
A lot of evangelicals jump on that as if we're discarding sections of the Bible. The truth is that I don't think that evangelicals disagree that to get the full truth from the Bible it has to be translated correctly. That really shouldn't be a controversial statement
Where is the claim the BofM corrects the Bible? If you’d study the two records you’d find they support each other.
Yes!! The book of revelations LITERALLY says not to alter any scripture. And the Bible says beware of false preachers!!
@@bean1251 But Latter-day Saints don’t alter scripture. We use the King James Bible. We just have more scripture that corroborates and expounds upon what we’ve already received (John 10:16, 21:25). And while the Bible does warn about false preachers, it also talks about true prophets that have yet to come (revelation 11, 14:6) and it gives us tests to know which teachers are true and which are false (1 John 4:1-3, Matthew 7:15-20, 12:24-28).
Its bascially a control system
Honestly, That is way to off the cliff of wildness. It is almost like they don't want people to speak for themselves.
No, it's a church of love and family. You can leave whenever you want, missionaries just want to invite you back so you can be happier.
@@Keaton42 If you leave you will likely lose most of your friends and family and in Utah, there are attorneys who help people have their memberships removed from the rolls of the Church.
They don't believe in the trinity concept doctrine
The trinity is false, Jesus is the son of God, he would not be His own son
@@Keaton42 This is a very shallow view of the Trinity. I'd suggest you get a theology book and read up on it better then you have up to this point.
@@blusheep2 As a Latter-Day Saint I'm coming to defend him. We simply don't know about it like how many people don't know our beliefs. Our belief is that Jesus is God, but is a separate being from God the Father. Jesus is God of all things with the Father working through Him. Our heavenly Father is a separate being and Christ is His servant and our advocate with the Father. Jesus is the creator which is why sometimes He is called father, which he is to our bodies. Jesus is our king and is God, he simply does all this in our Heavenly Father's name
@@Kayson-Muir Thank you for your participation. I don't know that he needs a defense though. I'm just encouraging him to read up on it better so that he can judge it honestly.
The reason Christians arrive at the trinity is because of two things. First, Isaiah 43:10 where God says, "before me no God was formed nor will there be any formed after me." Its about as clear as you can get. There is only 1 God. Second, there are things that we are told are held only by God. Salvation and the right to forgive sins, among other things. So if Jesus saves and forgives sins and Isaiah makes it clear that there is only 1 God then something is going on here. Third, we see this mult-nature of God throughout the OT. When God sends men off to Sodom, god is manifested on earth, and when the judgment is made on Sodom, it says that God(YHWH on earth) calls down from God(YHWH) in heaven. This would fit your theology if Isaiah 43:10 and many like it didn't exist, but they do.
Then of course we have the famous verses, "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God." Not "a god." We have in Phil 2. Jesus not considering equality with GOD something to be grasped humbled Himself and took on the form of a bond-servant. Then finally we have God the father being called the Almighty, Alpha and Omeg, first and last, beginning and the end. Who else is called these terms in Revelation? Jesus.
I am actually confused by Mormon theology so if you can clarify any of it, I would appreciate it. It seems very inconsistent to me. You have prophets but many of the prophets teachings aren't codified, so are they prophets or not? I really don't understand the nature of salvation because I don't understand what we are being saved from? It feels like the language is borrowed but it doesn't mean the same thing. I also don't understand marriage in the Mormon church. We hear that its about eternal marriage even though the Bible says there is no marriage in heaven and what we've heard is that eternal marriage is necessary to have spirit children, which is also a concept I don't understand since Joseph taught that we are all eternal intelligences.
That was quick an a lot of things. Don't feel the need to answer them all. Just pick one if your willing and we can discuss that one, and we can continue to discuss the trinity if you have other questions.
What about the 3 heavens and thr celestial kingdom being the highest heaven where humans become gods and have multiple goddess wives in other universes?
The Bible talks of three heavens in at least 2 places.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5uwhere in the Bible?
@@mary-je7gb Have you ever read the NT??? Before I tell you, you should know that many Christians tell me that I would be a believer if I only read the Bible. After I tell them which college level courses I take from divinity schools and religion depts. and much more, I offer to ask them many questions about their Bible to see if they can answer them,, No one has EVER replied wanting me to ask them.
1 Corinthians 15:40--42; 2 Corinthians 12:1,2 Whenever I hear a Christian saying that abortion is murder and God condemns murder, I know they don't read their Bible. I posted a comment last week about Jesus saying that he will kill the children. Reply was "It isn't in the Bible." After I tell them the verses they never write back. Same thing with on what day did God create man, the fifth day when he created everything that moveth or the 6th? Or why does God say to bash the children to pieces. Or, "Happy shall he be , that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." Are these verses talking about better actions than abortion? Verses from the KJV
@@mary-je7gb Oh, and Mormons believing in baptizing for the dead. Can that idea be found in the New Testament?
So
The Church of Jesus Christ of Saturday saints is actually just a bunch of Mormons?
I will never go to that blasphemous Church.
The “persecution” was due to them having made threats towards the governor, surrounding a local judge’s home to intimidate him, burning down a printing press… they seem to skip over that part
Yeah... No. The persecution against the Latter-day Saints was purely because they were seen as a threat due to their religious beliefs, and anti-slavery political opinions. They were perfectly peaceful until they were harassed by violent mobs and the state. Not only did they not threaten the governor, but the things you are referring to happened AFTER the governor had already ordered that all mormons be exterminated and then burned down their cities. The printing press thing for example was in Nauvoo Illinois, a city completely built and governed by Latter-day Saints, and happened several years after the Saints left Missouri. And Joseph Smith, as the Mayor of Nauvoo, was likely in his legal right to destroy the printing press as they were inciting riots and violence against Latter-day Saints.
The persecution was disproportionate towards them. Don’t victim blame. The Governor gave an extermination order. True they shouldn’t have retaliated in some ways they did. They shouldn’t have destroyed the press true, but there was much more persecution before that, which caused things to boil over.
@@gregoryfugal4722 The printing press thing was years later and it was destroyed because the newspaper was inciting riots, Joseph Smith was within his rights as mayor of Nauvoo to destroy it.
@@KnuttyEntertainment Joseph destroyed it because of his polygamy and when Brother Law, one of Joseph's councilors put in the paper about Smith and his marrying young girls.
Repent, Gods word is the only word necessary, not an additional ‘book of morman’ translated through stones. That is utter Blasphemy
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”. John 1:1 KJV
So you don't believe in the trinity?
@@clearstonewindows I don't but then I don't believe in invisible beings either.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5udid your user name change?
So theyre heretics
I stopped watching after 1 minute, when the subject of the first vision was discussed.
In the 1832 account of the first vision, con man Joseph Smith only saw Jesus (not God the Father). It's important for the viewers that they know that there are several different and contradicting accounts of the first vision.
True. But if I went into every detail of every point of Mormonism, the video would be hours long. Nobody has time for that.
This is where I have a problem with the LDS doctrine. If they say the bible contains errors, such as conveniently they discount the Timothy letters especially. Which the oldest known copy is from 180ad.
Because in them, it says that all scripture is profitable for teaching in righteousness. And that also scripture can make one perfect. Then them adding to scripture, is saying perfect, isnt perfect enough. And that we can be more perfect.
And it also says, that God is not perfect. Because he didnt preserve his perfect word. Which is just...wrong. Idc how you look at it, anything they build past that, is a castle built on sand.
Had a long discussion. And it got to where they believe you can be sinless like Jesus, and be deathless and just taken to heaven. Which, if that happened even 1 time in their history, they would be telling the world. Or should, and if they arent. Then they arent testifying like they should. They also say they withhold teachings. Which...again is not biblical at all.
They are heretics. Plain and simple. Do not, and i mean do not go down this road.
They take away Pauls authority given to him by God, and say the bible has errors. Exactly same stuff islam does. So they can push their own stuff. Its the same in my viewpoint.
What are you even talking about? Quit pretending that you know something you don’t.
@@gregoryfugal4722 I heard these things from someone well versed in it. Who is part of a mormon run server. Also from other mormons there. While they pushed their books, on those seeking God.
@@gregoryfugal4722the same could be said to every single religious person in the world.
@@HeartInLight I have been a Mormon for 30+ years. Claiming you heard it from someone who was a Mormon, does not make you an expert. I hate it when people think they know more about what I believe than I do. Stop, do better
@@gregoryfugal4722 I have seen it multiple times. Mormon prophets fail the test of prophets found in deuteronomy.
If someone is found to be a false prophet. There is no excuse to still follow them as such. You test Scripture with Scripture. Not follow blindly what you're told by men.
Run to Jesus. He's the only thing that we can trust in this place.
By the way, “Mormon” is no longer approved the church leaders.
Thus this video is quite inaccurate by the definition of their corporate leadership
Quite inaccurate? Mmm… what’s literally the first 8 words of this video? And mentioned throughout the video 6 MORE times. 🤔
"Persecution" for breaking US laws for religion, even though God our Father already mentioned polygamy to be an abomination. Those pesky facts get in the way.
The state of Missouri gave an extermination order, basically saying it was okay to Murder them. Last I checked that was against the law.
Aw yes a literal law making it legal to take our property and kill us if we resist which was enacted on men, women and children. Being ran from town to town state to state being arrested and sometimes killed. (none of this was the US government, in fact the US government sided with us but refused to help because the president didn't wanna lose votes. When we did find safety by leaving the country the place we lived was annexed and when we still tried to self govern the US army sent troops in (polygamy is yet to be outlawed) so we simply defended our selves and eventually submitted. Polygamy was then banned in which we continued to practice as we believe it to have been a comandment from God. More legislation was later passed allowing them to bar us from voting, holding office, and keeping our personal property. President Woodruff received revelation that we should end polygamy which we did and reverted to God's standard (as revealed in the Book of Jacob) that a man should have one wife. The book of Mormon also identifies a reason for the practice which is raising good seed unto Him which is proved by the fact that myself and many other people would never have been born if not for the practice.
What about Abraham, Sarah, his first wife, , and the handmaiden who gave birth to Abraham's child? Sounds like polygamy to me.
How could polygamy be an abomination when Abraham practices it with Sarah and his handmaid.
God hadn't approved of what men did during the time of Abraham; Abraham was a man of his time following what others did. Show me where God commands Abraham to have polygamy or concubines.
THIS IS NOT AN OBJECTIVE MOVIE!
i’m actually really curious to speak to someone who is a mormon and how they genuinely believe this
Moroni 10:4-5 is enough reason for me
I was a believing Mormon for 34 years. Ask me anything. I can give a pretty objective description of how they come to such conclusions.
@@brycebarker1582 No harder than believing all the weird stuff in the Bible.
I just don't believe in an invisible being in a white coat.
They believe in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit
but the Father and Son are tangible human being and the Holy Spirit is the personage
the Holy Spirit in
Mormonism is the only
Spirit not the Father and the Son
Father and Son are tangible human being
Only the Holy Spirit is
the Spirit
revealing the Father and Son
They believe in The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost, not the Holy Spirit. That is basically what their first article of faith says.
This video is bias, it doesn’t show the mayor disagreeing in their theological teaching referring other nominations and the Bible itself
That would make the video bias if I did that. I think you have the definitions mixed up. If I included statements in the video that talked about why I think Mormonism is wrong or conflicting (or even correct) then I’m trying to persuade the viewer to form an opinion against Mormonism.
@@IllustratetoEducate correct
It's actually crazy that anyone believed him at the time. But it's insane that anyone can believe it with today's knowledge of genetics and common sense. The guy was a crook and a charlatan. I get the feeling Mormons don't believe it but atleast it's a nice story to believe in.
Ex Mormon here. No, they are not Christians.
Yep. Definitely not. They even put saints on their church name. Yikes...
Can you elaborate please? What makes them different to the others? I am not mormon either and i see the book of mormon contradictory.
Are you able to elaborate the differences between mormons and Christians?
@@bengee4841 Calling yourself a saint in and of itself is against Christianity. The whole point of the bible is that we all fall short of God and are sinners. But Mormons........my God the evil practices they do. They basically believe that they can do any manner of evil and crimes against humanity and they will still get to heaven so long as they don't think about it/ forgive themselves through confession. They are sadistic and psychopathic predators and extremely manipulative bullies emphasis on the manipulative part.
So they're not Christians cause they believe that the only way to be saved is through Jesus? Or are they not Christian because they believe that they are supposed to follow Jesus's example by living a good life and helping others?
They believe they are, but by the agreed terms of Christianity they are not* This is because they see Christ, Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost as three separate beings
A male in the primary of his sexual appetites forms a new religious mindset that promotes polygamy?
He actually twisted what was revealed in scripture so he could avoid the practice because he hated it and actually banned anyone who thought it was appealing from practicing it, it was meant to be a trial for men and women
@@Kayson-Muirthe Book of Mormon itself condemns the practice of polygamy, and yet Joseph Smith had dozens of wives. Seems kind of the opposite of what you’re claiming.
mormonism believes a false gospel. I don't judge the people who fall into the belief but, i will not just watch this video and see all of these people praise and say thanks for this video. if anything this just proves that they believe in a false gospel in the most basic way. The holy trinity. I'm not a christian neither, God has never called us christians. That's a worldly term. I am a saint, as the Bible describes us all as and i have a personal relationship with Jesus and invite the holy spirit into my life everyday and pray to Papa God in heaven.
You keep calling the New Testament the Bible. Differentiate it from the Old Testament which does not talk of a relationship with Jesus.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5uyou wanna word your comment better ? You said “ I keep calling the New Testament the Bible “ yet , I didn’t say anything along those lines in my comment , states above. I’m not sure what you mean by your comment at all.
@@maaaanreally You mentioned Jesus in the Bible and Jesus is not mentioned in the OT. Christians assume that "Bible" means both testaments but Jews don't figure that way. You need to differentiate and say which book you mean.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u like I said, Mormonism believes in a false gospel.
I like how our nation's Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson believes. He thought Jesus to be a great teacher but not a God. He was a Deist as was Washington.
mormo is a obscure greeko roman era god minor diety hense and christians worship christ or iesu hense christians
The video forgot to mention that the church sells temple recommend for 10% of members income.
If they don’t pay they don’t get to “hold current temple recommend” or they’re not “temple worthy”.
What’s the difference between selling temple recommend and selling a cup of Starbucks coffee?
It’s an outright trade. You pay it or you don’t get the coffee/ the recommend.
Yet a small difference- nobody judges you if you don’t buy Starbucks coffee. But you’d be judged if you’re a Mormon and you don’t pay the church corporation your income. They’d tell you “steal the Lords money”. But in reality it’s the money to expand this church of men and support the lavish life style of the corporate leadership.
This isn’t true. Paying tithing isn’t fixed at 10%. The 10% thing is a guideline, not an absolute. You only need to pay what you feel in your heart is a full amount.
@@ChaseEaglebackmust have changed after I left 10 years ago
@@ChaseEagleback No, No. To be a good Mormon in good standing and able to get a temple recommend, they must be a full tithe-payer. 10%. They can pay more with offerings but the 10% is fixed.
No. They are not Christian
They have the anme of jesus in their name so they must be Christian.
hail No this theology is all mess up !
I could only make it 80 seconds. This has to be a joke.
You were half way there! Good job 👍🏼
Kind left out the history of blacks and Mormonism
Yea, that is the f'd up part about them.
@@jordanmatthew6315 Because they didn't let blacks become priests? That's just how things worked in the 19th and 20th century. And those ideas actually don't come from Joseph Smith. He ordained several black people to the priesthoo. In fact, he ran for president on platform of freeing the slaves. anti-slavery beliefs is actually why the early Latter-day Saints were genocided in Missouri and Illinois. When Brigham Young instituted the ban, he got the idea from racist southern protestants, and even Brigham said that ban was only meant to be temporary and that one day blacks would have equal privilege. And while the rest of the country segregated blacks and whites, the Latter-day Saints refused to segregate their congregations, going as far as to call the KKK an evil cult at the height of their power, leading to thousands of Latter-day Saints to be lynched in the south in retaliation.
@@jordanmatthew6315explain ?
@@jordanmatthew6315yeah please explain. Please.
@@sambro9134
Watch the Mormon Cartoon.
I think that this religion is misleading the flock.
Basically a cult is what you described.
Smart cult..😂
They are Not Christian’s
I guess it depends on what your definition of a Christian is….
They really aren't. Yes they follow and read about the same person Jesus. But they contradict themselves many times and are mainly unlogical in a sense.
@@MarthLuna-wq3ny No more than the Bible contradicts like Thou shalt not kill. Joshua is commanded to kill every man woman and child. Sounds like a contradiction to me and thee are many like that.
Its a cult do your research. Jesus is the FATHER< SON AND HOLY GHOST the trinity
I did my research. Now I am one of the American "nones."
God has NO Religion. 😮
God doesn't exist.
They're different than the traditional trinity concept doctrine they believe in the not the trinity concept doctrine
taught by mostly all
Christianity
they call it the
Godhead
Do you follow what Jesus did or just what you want to observe?
Lol love how you sped through how he translated the plates that no one on earth wver saw except for him. He used a magic rock and looked into his hat with it and the words magically appeared to him. There are so many horrible racist, sexist, and just messed up amd crazy things about the church that even it's own members aren't aware of or they ashamedly excuse snd are embarrassed about. I asked a lot of questions growing up in the church and the more I asked, the more I was told, and the more I learned the more I became an atheist. It's a cult and I feel bad for everyone who still believes that it isnt.
There were other witnesses to the plates and they did record their witness of it.
@@IllustratetoEducate Were any of them women? No? Just the men who might have an agenda. Interesting.
I've read the witness statements and they are all over the place. The women only ever saw them covered up in cloth and they talked about him handing them to them to hide which one sister did quickly...even though the men said they weighed 60lbs. How could these women easily be lifting 60lbs? The women also talked about feeling the pages and they felt like heavy paper and moved like paper but made a tinkling sound. The men described them very differently. Most of the witnesses were his family members. They also said they saw angels, heard voices, and used their spiritual eyes,etc to see the plates. Even if there were plates, they could have easily been in another language from previous humans and he just made up what they said.
@@SecretButterflyGarden yeah it’s interesting. I’m glad you’ve actually looked into it and made decisions based off of your research instead of just being ignorant of it. I can respect that kind of approach. 👍🏼
@SecretButterflyGarden The witnesses are some of the best pieces of evidence for the Book of Mormon. Critics often have to dig up cherry picked 2nd and 3rd hand accounts because the first hand accounts overwhelmingly support the reality of the physical plates. For instance, the quote about Martin Harris only seeing the plates with his 'spiritual eyes' originates from John A Clark, a minister who was antagonistic and hostile towards Mormonism
But if we look at what Martin Harris himself directly said about his experience we find something very different:
"Gentlemen, "do you see that hand? Are you sure you see it? Or are your eyes playing you a trick or something? No. Well, as sure as you see my hand so sure did I see the Angel and the plates."
When you read what the witnesses actually said (and not what other people said that the witnesses said) you come across with a very different picture. Critics often love to emphasize cherry picked quotes from the latter because they're very uncomfortable with the picture that the former paints
JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
No it ain't.
What will happen to the Jews who don't believe in Jesus or baptism?
Way to where? Delusion?
Almost the exact same as Catholic church ❤❤❤, except we believe in Saints and Angels
The overlap of Mormons and Catholics needs further examination.
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Mormonism. A theological nightmare
Just like the Bible.