Yes.. The realisation, you are a cousin (no matter how far removed) from the likes of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Stallin,Elizabeth Bathory, Charles Manson and all those people who go around carrying out school shootings etc. Doesn't actually fill you with satisfaction. On the other hand you are also cousins with, the people who discovered the small pox vaccine, polio vaccine, discovered penicillin, heart transplants etc, etc. Choose who's example you try to follow carefully.. It's not your ability that makes you the person you truly are.. It's your choices...
His reference to the fact that as you get more and more distant from humans you get less and less genetic similarity is wild because it is taking what is basically absolute proof of evolution over geologic time, and pretending like it's bad for our case.
Like yeah, DNA is such an effective marker of relations that it is by far the best data to use in constructing a phylogeny of different kinds of species.
So true, and his "We must be 60% banana, 98% pig, 96% chimpanzee....." was so funny. What? As if we take those portions of things, put them in a blender and out comes homo sapiens??? Never mind that it obviously adds up to a lot more than 100%. lol
@@zen-sean If he could read... He could, which is why he turned off the comments to this video. I don't know if he did it before or after the video, but probably after as I checked a few others(and went after him hard on his most recent) and they all had comments enabled. He's a coward.
That tidbit about Steve project vs dissent from Darwin was hilarious. The fact you can find more scientists named Steve who accept evolution than scientists who reject it. And also very telling it’s very hard to find actual biologists who reject it….
And the dissent document was worded 'skeptical', not anything more severe. ALL scientists are skeptical about even the best supported hypotheses. Thatcis how they tricked reputable scientists into signing the petition. Also bear in mind that the people who created the petition REFUSE to remove anyone from the list. I would be very suspicious of any scientist that said they were not skeptical of anything.
Those very few biologists who reject evolution also didn't decide to reject it after becoming biologists, they became biologists to lend credence to their prior decision to reject evolution. Funny how no one becomes a biologist and then rejects evolution.
i doubt there's a single biologist with legitimate credentials who is also a young earth creationist. neither aig nor the icr seem to have one, so i'd be shocked if that person actually exists and doesn't cash in.
@@chezeus1672not a biologist per se, but there is actually a creationist paleontologist (shocker, right?). I forgot his name but he did his dissertation on Mesozoic mosasaurs, then apparently decided the thing he did his entire dissertation was wrong and became a creationist. Supposedly he just did it to "get through the system". Nobody hears much from him anymore.
It isn't by accident, rest assured. If mainstream science is so horribly wrong, YEC should open the doors to runaway scientific progress, only it has had more than two millennia to make that happen.
Yes! For me it was because I wasn't allowed to learn about it. I might be influenced by demonic spirits listening or reading about lies against God. O just believed everything church told me. 😢
You should see how much flat Earthers misunderstand basic science. It’s pretty much a requirement for anti-science types not to understand the science they attempt to disprove. I think it’s pretty rare for a person well versed in a science to denounce it but it does happen. But their arguments tend to be pretty bad as well.
He got his PhD from NC State in a biological science. At the time I imagine he accepted evolution. I hate to name him or the university because it would an embarrassment. Basically he got “saved” and threw away his critical thinking ability. He eventually left to teach at a religiously affiliated school.
@@patldennis How did I cancel him? He was actually quoted in a NY Times article which is how I found out he signed it. I probably was being a little petty because he was also sort of an ass come to think of it.
I think the problem with guys like this is, and with apologetics, in general, is that people like IamLucid see evolution as a social/philosophical issue. He's so clueless that he doesn't even know that he's taking on a cornerstone of biology.
Nah, he's just a disingenuous lying cretin, a product of typical Islamic childhood brainwashing. This occurs in many religious iterations however the focus here is Islamic in nature. Many of his arguments are directly drawn from his "education" through the Quran.
When I was young I had heroes in science, music and cinema. Then I found out they were deeply flawed humans. Did that mean their work was flawed? NO! It just taught me to redefine heroes.
or (not as funny as hydra-headed Lucy) IamLucid doesn't know that Lucy is not the species' name. (And that there's more Australopiticenes than just A. afarensis).
I really enjoy how he censors Lucy's """private parts""", almost as if HE doesn't believe she was "really just a three-foot tall chimpanzee." Hmm, curious.
This particular apologist is quite the silly person. It is unfortunate that people act this way and don't get schooled more often. If they did, then they could change their minds out of obligation, at least.
It's a shame to mix up "Muslim" and "stupid". I'm sure it must be possible to be Muslim and smart. Iamlucid's problem isn't that he is or isn't a Muslim, but that he's as dumb as a rock. In other words, great for you that you're an ex-Muslim, but your current religious position shouldn't really have any bearing on your ability to spot stupidity. The other example I'd cite is: you can be a Catholic or an Anglican or a Lutheran and still know Kent Hovind has a single digit IQ. Being Christian doesn't make you a science-denying loon ...and being an ex-Christian doesn't make you automatically smarter. Dumb does dumb regardless of its religiosity, basically.
Also if this dude actually read the entire Descent of Man he'd realize that when Darwin was talking about women not being as smart as men he was calling out that women weren't able to get educated like men, and he hypothesized that if they were given all the same access and privilege that men in his society had to education, there'd be just as many lady scientists and experts. Which is honestly a super progressive viewpoint considering the rest of what the 1850s were like.
Thank you for making this channel. So much of the science that gets discussed around the topic of YEC is above my pay grade, so it helps me out a lot to hear the counter arguments to the claims being made as I don't know the truth myself! Your videos help point me towards the scientific journals and papers with the hard evidence in them. Lifesaver.
How to prove humans are apes. Take groups of young humans and other young apes. Introduce them to an environment with a climbing frame and or easy to climb trees. Watch them all climb things because they can, whilst playing a game of tag. EDIT: tag you're it.
Even better get a baby under the age of 1 before they can walk and let him/ her grab an overhead bar. You’ll have to really pull to get them to let go and most likely will have to unhook their fingers one at a time . They can’t walk but they can grip hard enough to support their weight . Proof we evolved as tree swingers.
As an engineer, I'm forever ashamed of my colleagues who think that their credentials give them license to doubt, with any sort of authority, biological science. The truth is that they are no more likely to understand evolution in specific and biology in general than the any person who had Biology 101 at university. I'm fortunate in that I started in biology -- like Erika, I wanted to be a vet -- but it turned out that I was much better at higher-level math and physics than I was at things like organic/biochemistry, so I switched fields in my junior year of undergrad. But, I still had that basis in evolution. Most people with engineering degrees just...don't. And when you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail, as they say, which is why I'm certain that most of those on the Discover Institute petition are engineers.
Interesting explanation. I never realized this. I was a biology major my dad is EE. I was always shocked he could add multiple 3 digit numbers in head while I have no math ability and yet he thinks Wales are cold blooded fish.
@@fluffyduckbutt24 Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I'm an architectural engineer, and in my experience, a lot of us tend to think that there might be something to ID. Also in my experience, mechanical engineers tend to be the "worst" in this regard, but regardless of specific field, once you are a designer-of-things yourself, you tend to think that it's reasonable to assume that everything is designed by an entity, at least if you don't think about it too much. If you DO do an honest deeper dive, then you realize how unnecessarily complex biology is, and then any sort of acceptance of ID tends to fall by the wayside because unnecessary complexity is BAD design, not intelligent design. The problem is that most people, engineer or not, don't tend to do that sort of deep dive.
I'm a robotics engineer that started in computer science and physics... which is why I don't talk with any authority on biology, if you want to know how to find shapes and characters in an image I could talk about that for hours without making a single mistake, I can't say the same for biology so I just don't talk about it, I have no clue how so many people have the ego to think that the qualifications to design a bridge gives them any authority whatsoever in completely unrelated fields yet I see it constantly
@@xxbongobazookaxx7170 Constantly, yes. It's very discouraging. And the problem, to me, is that creationists/IDers will deliberately trot out engineers as "scientists" because the average flock member doesn't know the difference. They don't know that engineers aren't scientists, that while we apply scientific discoveries to the real world in various ways, we aren't scientists ourselves. That doesn't matter to the indoctrinated. They're told that engineers are "scientists," so of course we're all just as qualified as Dawkins to talk about evilution! /s
@@memyselfandi4173 As an engineer myself, I think there might be some issue with the American educational system at play here, cause over in Europe basically no one has any trouble understanding fundamental high-school level biology. It's even funny cause I remember when taking some classes on numerical optimization algorithms, the best performing ones tended to be derived from mimicking evolutionary processes. It's like, we as engineers can harness the ability of evolution to improve our designs, lol. BTW: there is actually such a thing as engineering sciences, it's just not the same as natural sciences. So you can be a practicing research PhD - but your skill in unrelated fields is the same as expecting a PhD in psychology to explain nuclear physics.
Darwin is one of the very few historical people who I actually get more respect for the more I learn about him. He seems pretty progressive for his era. Saying that, it's worth noting that being an abolitionist in the 1850's in the UK wasn't really radical. Slavery had been abolished here since 2 years before Darwin was born and in the entire empire since Darwin was 29. Abolition was solidly mainstream in the UK by the 1850's.
I am eternally grateful to you for your excellent teaching style. Somehow you speaking for just a minute can blot out the stupidity of people, like @IamLucid, who prattle on for hours and say nothing.
My working theory is that a good chunk of these YT apologists just make those ludicrous videos to play the victim algorithm and to show in their groups that "I am the new crusader, now give me some money so I can fight the science devil worshippers".
I actually joined his discord server about 2 weeks back to just see what it was like and if he'd responded to any of the debunks, and here's what I learned: 1. There's a massive community of pseudointellectuals who think they have complex discussions on these topics. Like, massive. And all of them will immediately attack you the moment you present an argument, rather than responding logically. 2. Lucid doesn't even seem to be the biggest portrayer of this whole rhetoric. His whole community already had the opinion whether or not they had evidence, and all he was doing was feeding into it to make some money. 3. Everybody in his community is incels and they have a whole section of the discord server dedicated to just holding back the urge to jack off every 10 minutes. 4. For some reason a lot of them are adamant that Islam is the only Abrahamic religion? It didn't make much sense, and I spent far too long arguing with them, but I managed to get a couple of them to agree in the end so I consider it a win for common sense. 5. Basically all of them are Tatesters, if that's even a surprise to anyone. When it was announced that the brothers were getting let out for house arrest, they all went wild.
@@jl2834nice terrible grammatical attempt at a straw man, porn addiction & reliving a fluid that builds up and is made to be released are 2 totally different things, conflating them is pseudoscience.
yeah its about self improvement 💀they say Islam is because of the fact that judaism and Christianity are deviations, but the point is not common sense, that would be fallacious, the point would be to be correct
Best part has to be that we use both arguments "if we descente from apes why there are still apes?" And "if we descent from this hominins why did they go extinc?"
I have been watching you for years now, i love your content, teaching style and mannerisms. I plan to introduce my daughters to your work when they get a little older, as i know they will learn so much from you. Thankyou Erika, you're awesome.
Love how British accents seem to upset the anti-science mob. Sorry, that should be British accent singular, of which there is no such thing. One might say that British accents may be grouped into has clades which are still evolving. Life tends to diversity. I hereby coin the term, "Speakiation".
Lamarck would have supported dialectical speakiation: the idea that a parent can, by accident or design, acquire an entirely new accent, complete with unique neologisms, and pass it on to their offspring. Divven tell us no tha, aye?
@pencilpauli9442 - The conflation of British always = super smart and reliable trope is used by the young earthers / creationists by having some of their "documentaries" narrated by men with British accents for the cred. When they have the budget for it, that is. Thank goodness David Attenborough IS on the side of science!
The average Brit probably knows more about just about every subject than the average American, I'm sorry to say. (Yes, even American history.) And it's getting worse, as right-wing politicians and activists have joined forces to undermine our public education system.
"This has been another exercise in frustration". Erica, all my sympathy to you for having to endure these (intentionally) misleading arguments. Thanks for debunking the enemies of reason and empiric knowledge! ❤🎉🎉😊
@@jamestown8398 I'm sure they disagree on some fine points, but I doubt that they disagree on much. No, like a pro education triumvirate that dispatches of losers like lucid.
@@Bildgesmythe the people of the three books are only modest when talking about the privates of humanity. If it's about killing people, worshipping money and ego, about rape... That's another story.
I was really hoping you'd also hit this video and shore up where Dave fell short, which sadly, was a lot. You hit it much sooner than I expected, so I'm very glad indeed. Well done!
It really sucks that I haven’t met any of my ancestors because they all went extinct when I was born. It would’ve been nice to know my parents and grandparents and even a great grandparent or two.
This highlights a point that information and education inequality are serious problems in society. Social media can unfortunately compound the problem for those who are disenfranchised. Then again, it’s also good that there are people like you clearing up the otherwise smelly air of misinformation!
Are you going to start doing shorts for the reels? I am a former BHI who is now rooted in science, and while conversing with my friends in my former faith, they send me pseudo clips of laymen attacking primatology. I would love to send them clips from your videos. Have a great day.
14:10 I missed the first time you brought up the analogy of dogs and wolves, so I was going to use that exact example. I don't understand how they don't understand evolution, I understood intuitively as a small child raised to believe the opposite; creationism, which I never could believe in. Even without evolution, it would be crazy to think we were _"intelligently"_ designed.
I have always maintained that the religion should be sanctioned and its "education" should be outlawed, the fact indoctrination, specifically in Islam is forced on young minds without option is akin to child abuse.
Um. Infanticide has actually been fairly common throughout history and prehistory among human populations across the globe - and it was usually because the infant was seen as unlikely to survive. Different cultures had different ways of going about it ofc, but it was and in some cases still is a common practice. Modern medicine (and society) has definitely influenced what we see as "unlikely to survive." And that's why most cases of the child being unable to survive requiring termination typically occurs in the womb (as that's also something we can detect and do now which wasn't possible prior to modern medicine). Like when a fetus has the heart develop outside their body - they will not survive birth. It's more merciful to terminate the pregnancy for both the child and pregnant person. And I honestly don't know why anti-abortion activists see that as bad - it's called empathy and mercy. But back to what this person was getting at. Infanticide is not something that sets us apart from other mammals. This is extremely well documented.
My guy,if a mama cat will adopt possums, dogs can adopt cats and vice versa, and a big cat can adopt a cervid, I think we can disregard the notion that mammalian mothers will reliably kill offspring who are a little bit different.
The bit about empathy being harmful to our species survival drives me crazy, because it's completely irrelevant to the point he's trying to make. If that were true, it would be harmful to our survival whether we evolved or not. If anything, he's arguing that God gave us negative attributes and stacked our survival odds against us on purpose. Really good message, dude
The 98% DNA similarity to pigs does seem to stem from a real thing, but it looks like maybe its a figure taken wildly out of context. A lot of it is over my head, but it seems to be referring specifically to SINES (short interspersed elements). Love your work Gutsick!
24:22 Creationists commonly take aim at Darwin, while failing to understand that we don't worship Darwin, and all the work he's done has been verified, reverified and expanded upon by countless scientists. His scientific work stands up by its own merits, regardless of who he was as a person. And even if we throw everything he did out, we'd still have a mountain of evidence supporting evolution. But I guess it kind of makes sense that creationists would think like this, because their own belief system is dogmatic and any divine words depend on the reliability of those who uttered them, because they often can't be verified, and attempts at verification are often explicitly discouraged and equated with sinfully doubting God.
As a designer, my experience in this field is one of the glaring giveaways that life is NOT designed. It's such a mess that it was one of the first cracks in my faith when I was a Christian. People at church would talk about seeing evidence of the designer in creation, and every time I thought, "wow, I'm not even a good designer and I could have done better." If you gave a good designer infinite knowledge, infinite power, and infinite resources, they'd never reuse stock from previous projects, they'd never accept poor user experience, and they'd constantly be tinkering to make sure new designs didn't negatively affect existing designs. Engineering is a different story. Engineers just need to make things work to specifications while designers need things to work WELL. Try to change a battery in a Ford Focus, or park your Silverado during a good snow, or get a 3d printer's settings dialed in. You'll see real quick that engineers are not designers. A good deal of the time, the PURPOSE for some decisions is to make using the product more difficult, so maybe god's an evil engineer?
@@theymademepickaname1248 Yes, it's a real catch 22, isn't it? But, sadly, this is the Internet, and I had to make sure my intent was clear! I'm gay anyway lmao
Great video! Thanks. I especially liked learning about empathy and why it evolved for the group's survival. I never thought about that before! Fascinating!
Nice work Erika. I'm sure you'll see this post amongst the 756 and counting in this thread's comments. I've just come across your work tonight and have indulged in a mini binge. Given the length of a lot of your videos I see I'm going to have to ration myself to one or two a day or face the wrath of Mrs BloodySlatts. Cheers.
Or God took the Underground to St.Pauls and, being the only passager not staring at his I-phone, thought: "Jeess, you know what's missing here? Bugs!" and tadaa! 🤡
So if creationists refuse to acknowledge that humans are animals, do they think we are vegetables, minerals, bacteria, or fungi? I'd like to think I'm a fungi, but I'm rather boring. Edit: It occurred to me that the whole "if X descended from Y, then why is Y not extinct?" is sort of like asking "if I was born, why aren't my parents/grandparents/cousins/siblings dead?"
Depressing thought. But when I consider all the "skeptic" garbage washing up on potholer54's channel, I'm not surprised at IAL's sub numbers. I keep wondering if it was always this bad, or if "anti-science" and "anti-expert" are peaking like never before... Cheers! 😊
@@Shtoops - I still lurk ph54 channel comments, I just stopped commenting. I feel like there's no real point addressing the "skeptics" over there, their arguments, or wading through their bogus links and/or reading papers that they cite without reading. It's much more pleasant here! 😊
Only 12 scientists signing the "dissent" pledge meet Project Steve's more rigourous professional standards? That is just 'chef's kiss' f**king perfect!
He goes through that litany of things we "share DNA with" without once stopping to consider that hey...maybe those crazy biologists think that ALL life on the planet is related. Wild.
Yanno, that hoodie saying "virgin" makes me think it's probably not by choice. 😉 I'd wager that anyone who heard him spout his weirdass ideas and beliefs would slowly back away, keeping their back to the door, and leave as soon as humanly - apely - possible! 😂 Thanks for all the cool videos you make for us, Erika. 😊 Stay gentle, ya modern ape! 😉 ❤️❤️
Maybe if you were more open minded you would know that it’s a sin to commit sex outside of marriage (lucid is not married) their for it would be a sin. Let’s not be racist now
The Dunning-Kruger effect is when a person does not have skills or ability in a specific area but sees themselves as fully equipped to give opinions or carry out tasks in that field, even though objective measures or people around them may disagree. They are unaware that they do not have the necessary capabilities
That petition gets even more hilarious when you dig into the details. Several of the people on Dissent from Darwin list felt they had been misled when they signed it and had no issues with evolution. Others disagreed with some consensus conclusions of evolution, but had no issue with the broad strokes of evolution. This should come as little surprise to most people who are familiar with apologist tactics.
I for one, am glad to share a common ancestor with Erika. The fact that I share a common ancestor with IamLucid on the other hand is a bit depressing.
😂😂
Lmaooo
Well said.
You may get over it.
Yes.. The realisation, you are a cousin (no matter how far removed) from the likes of Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Stallin,Elizabeth Bathory, Charles Manson and all those people who go around carrying out school shootings etc. Doesn't actually fill you with satisfaction.
On the other hand you are also cousins with, the people who discovered the small pox vaccine, polio vaccine, discovered penicillin, heart transplants etc, etc.
Choose who's example you try to follow carefully..
It's not your ability that makes you the person you truly are.. It's your choices...
His reference to the fact that as you get more and more distant from humans you get less and less genetic similarity is wild because it is taking what is basically absolute proof of evolution over geologic time, and pretending like it's bad for our case.
Like yeah, DNA is such an effective marker of relations that it is by far the best data to use in constructing a phylogeny of different kinds of species.
If he could read, he’d be very upset by this comment 😅
So true, and his "We must be 60% banana, 98% pig, 96% chimpanzee....." was so funny. What? As if we take those portions of things, put them in a blender and out comes homo sapiens??? Never mind that it obviously adds up to a lot more than 100%. lol
@@mikefochtman7164 That's probably the impression he's trying to make on his audience.
@@zen-sean If he could read... He could, which is why he turned off the comments to this video. I don't know if he did it before or after the video, but probably after as I checked a few others(and went after him hard on his most recent) and they all had comments enabled. He's a coward.
IamLucid showed the most convincing display of what the Dunning Krueger effect is.
Lmao
"Science says 1+1=2, but when I do it, I get 1+1=3, this is bad for science" -IamLucid
lol
how?
u aded the numbors rong
@@macias7125 He's dumb
You are lucid...
That tidbit about Steve project vs dissent from Darwin was hilarious. The fact you can find more scientists named Steve who accept evolution than scientists who reject it. And also very telling it’s very hard to find actual biologists who reject it….
And the dissent document was worded 'skeptical', not anything more severe.
ALL scientists are skeptical about even the best supported hypotheses.
Thatcis how they tricked reputable scientists into signing the petition.
Also bear in mind that the people who created the petition REFUSE to remove anyone from the list.
I would be very suspicious of any scientist that said they were not skeptical of anything.
Mans could have looked at the Wikipedia page on Darwin to clear this up.
Those very few biologists who reject evolution also didn't decide to reject it after becoming biologists, they became biologists to lend credence to their prior decision to reject evolution. Funny how no one becomes a biologist and then rejects evolution.
i doubt there's a single biologist with legitimate credentials who is also a young earth creationist.
neither aig nor the icr seem to have one, so i'd be shocked if that person actually exists and doesn't cash in.
@@chezeus1672not a biologist per se, but there is actually a creationist paleontologist (shocker, right?). I forgot his name but he did his dissertation on Mesozoic mosasaurs, then apparently decided the thing he did his entire dissertation was wrong and became a creationist. Supposedly he just did it to "get through the system". Nobody hears much from him anymore.
This guy is a living meme
Yes, the "That's not how this works. That's not how anything works" one.
😂😂😂😂
He's also doing a great job as the John Cleese "they are so stupid, that they have no idea how stupid they are" meme
@arsiarskila ☝️🤓
I picked the wrong year to stop sniffing glue. Creationists make me feel like a prodigy.
😂😂😂 I LOVE that movie!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@fluffyduckbutt24
What movie is that from?
@@whatabouttheearth Airplane (1980)
@@whatabouttheearth Airplane!
Come for the memes, stay for the science! Love your work Erika
Erika is amazing !
It's interesting how opponents of evolution rarely seen to know that much about it.
It isn't by accident, rest assured.
If mainstream science is so horribly wrong, YEC should open the doors to runaway scientific progress, only it has had more than two millennia to make that happen.
Yes! For me it was because I wasn't allowed to learn about it. I might be influenced by demonic spirits listening or reading about lies against God. O just believed everything church told me. 😢
But they sure _think_ they know all about it.
You should see how much flat Earthers misunderstand basic science. It’s pretty much a requirement for anti-science types not to understand the science they attempt to disprove.
I think it’s pretty rare for a person well versed in a science to denounce it but it does happen. But their arguments tend to be pretty bad as well.
Ignorant people tend to do that
A professor in the department that I worked at a large university actually signed that document. I was so horrified that I told everyone, lol.
Was he a biologist, or a head of something like "mens studies"?
Do you know why he signed it? Did you ask him? Or are you just a fan of canceling people?
Liberty University?
He got his PhD from NC State in a biological science. At the time I imagine he accepted evolution. I hate to name him or the university because it would an embarrassment. Basically he got “saved” and threw away his critical thinking ability. He eventually left to teach at a religiously affiliated school.
@@patldennis How did I cancel him? He was actually quoted in a NY Times article which is how I found out he signed it. I probably was being a little petty because he was also sort of an ass come to think of it.
So happy you're working with Dave. Two of my favorite sciencetubers.
Same.
she needs to collab with professor Dave. Or rather, we need her to.
@@uncleanunicorn4571 she has a couple times on his channel
don't forget Forrest: he's such a good communicator!
YES! Dave is amazing, I'm new to this channel but so far it's going very well.
I think the problem with guys like this is, and with apologetics, in general, is that people like IamLucid see evolution as a social/philosophical issue. He's so clueless that he doesn't even know that he's taking on a cornerstone of biology.
Nah, he's just a disingenuous lying cretin, a product of typical Islamic childhood brainwashing. This occurs in many religious iterations however the focus here is Islamic in nature. Many of his arguments are directly drawn from his "education" through the Quran.
its not
@@mokhabobo NUH UH ITS
The problem with guys like this is that they are so seep in their belief that they can't even breathe.
Never get tired of repeating it - WE ARE APES, you know a real conversation with someone is a non-starter if they can't grasp that
I'm quite fond of saying, "You're a great ape. Live up to it!"
I'd rather be a grape. Nothing wrong with being fruity. ;P
@@nerdjournal "political troll" "dunning-kreuger expert" - forgive the lack of context in text, but I'm highly suspicious you're acting the Poe
@@magusmelanie828 but... but... mah buleefs!?!? 😭😱😢
@@magusmelanie828 that's not even a Poe, that's a random goof.
When I was young I had heroes in science, music and cinema. Then I found out they were deeply flawed humans. Did that mean their work was flawed? NO! It just taught me to redefine heroes.
...in the next step we often sethe work of our heroes also has to be taken very carefully.
@@herzkineWhat do you mean by this?
"Never meet your heroes" or something like that
Creationists like "IF I CAME FROM MY COUSIN THEN WHY IS MY COUSIN STILL ALIVE!? CHECKMATE!"
if you came from your cousin, your family must be from Alabama.
I absolutely love Project Steve.
Great way to put things into perspective.
Wish I could have signed that. But I'm not qualified 😢
“They assumed Lucy had human heads!”
Meaning she was a hydra, or that she had a collection of skulls?
or (not as funny as hydra-headed Lucy) IamLucid doesn't know that Lucy is not the species' name. (And that there's more Australopiticenes than just A. afarensis).
I really enjoy how he censors Lucy's """private parts""", almost as if HE doesn't believe she was "really just a three-foot tall chimpanzee." Hmm, curious.
Nobody wants to look at a chimpanzee's private parts.
Erika you are clearly a skilled person in your field and so young. I admire you.
I just want to give her a science hug.
How does he list problems with our brains as evidence against a messy iterative process and evidence of a top-down design by a perfect designer?
It never ceases to amaze me how thoroughly YECs misunderstand nested hierarchy
Unironically wearing a 'virgin' hoodie is hilarious 😂
Virgin IamLucid vs. Chad Gutsick Gibbon.
@@jonc4712 perfect 👍
Here’s hoping he keeps it that way
@@jonc4712 uh, giga-chad....
Forgive me…I’m 51. What’s a “chad”?
as an exmuslim this vid makes me facepalm considering that i had the exact same talking points back in the day
great work as always erika :)
This particular apologist is quite the silly person. It is unfortunate that people act this way and don't get schooled more often. If they did, then they could change their minds out of obligation, at least.
Interesting.
Congrats on leaving Islam. You have my admiration!
I hope you are safe. I heard sometimes they can be very mean to "apostates".
It's a shame to mix up "Muslim" and "stupid". I'm sure it must be possible to be Muslim and smart. Iamlucid's problem isn't that he is or isn't a Muslim, but that he's as dumb as a rock.
In other words, great for you that you're an ex-Muslim, but your current religious position shouldn't really have any bearing on your ability to spot stupidity.
The other example I'd cite is: you can be a Catholic or an Anglican or a Lutheran and still know Kent Hovind has a single digit IQ. Being Christian doesn't make you a science-denying loon ...and being an ex-Christian doesn't make you automatically smarter.
Dumb does dumb regardless of its religiosity, basically.
The confidence displayed by someone so evidently ignorant of evolution's basic ideas is rather perverse. Another good video on your end, Gutsick.
Dunning Kreuger in a nutshell
That are religious grifters for you... Kent howind still makes me want to vomit each time he lies...
@lykortos4827 - It's as though he skipped his high school science classes for 4 years in a row.
Also if this dude actually read the entire Descent of Man he'd realize that when Darwin was talking about women not being as smart as men he was calling out that women weren't able to get educated like men, and he hypothesized that if they were given all the same access and privilege that men in his society had to education, there'd be just as many lady scientists and experts. Which is honestly a super progressive viewpoint considering the rest of what the 1850s were like.
Now there is an oxymoron, "intelligent design think tank".
I love your videos, i've decided to change my major to anthropology because of these videos
In the wise words of IamLucid, he is an "unlearned and impressionable mind."
Thank you for making this channel. So much of the science that gets discussed around the topic of YEC is above my pay grade, so it helps me out a lot to hear the counter arguments to the claims being made as I don't know the truth myself! Your videos help point me towards the scientific journals and papers with the hard evidence in them. Lifesaver.
I agree. I am finally learning the truth not silly sky daddy YEC bull stuff. Thank you Erica.❤
How to prove humans are apes.
Take groups of young humans and other young apes. Introduce them to an environment with a climbing frame and or easy to climb trees.
Watch them all climb things because they can, whilst playing a game of tag.
EDIT: tag you're it.
Even better get a baby under the age of 1 before they can walk and let him/ her grab an overhead bar. You’ll have to really pull to get them to let go and most likely will have to unhook their fingers one at a time . They can’t walk but they can grip hard enough to support their weight . Proof we evolved as tree swingers.
OR do a genetic testing.
or get chimpanzees and put on the DOOM soundtrack
As an engineer, I'm forever ashamed of my colleagues who think that their credentials give them license to doubt, with any sort of authority, biological science. The truth is that they are no more likely to understand evolution in specific and biology in general than the any person who had Biology 101 at university. I'm fortunate in that I started in biology -- like Erika, I wanted to be a vet -- but it turned out that I was much better at higher-level math and physics than I was at things like organic/biochemistry, so I switched fields in my junior year of undergrad. But, I still had that basis in evolution. Most people with engineering degrees just...don't. And when you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail, as they say, which is why I'm certain that most of those on the Discover Institute petition are engineers.
Interesting explanation. I never realized this. I was a biology major my dad is EE. I was always shocked he could add multiple 3 digit numbers in head while I have no math ability and yet he thinks Wales are cold blooded fish.
@@fluffyduckbutt24 Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I'm an architectural engineer, and in my experience, a lot of us tend to think that there might be something to ID. Also in my experience, mechanical engineers tend to be the "worst" in this regard, but regardless of specific field, once you are a designer-of-things yourself, you tend to think that it's reasonable to assume that everything is designed by an entity, at least if you don't think about it too much. If you DO do an honest deeper dive, then you realize how unnecessarily complex biology is, and then any sort of acceptance of ID tends to fall by the wayside because unnecessary complexity is BAD design, not intelligent design. The problem is that most people, engineer or not, don't tend to do that sort of deep dive.
I'm a robotics engineer that started in computer science and physics... which is why I don't talk with any authority on biology, if you want to know how to find shapes and characters in an image I could talk about that for hours without making a single mistake, I can't say the same for biology so I just don't talk about it, I have no clue how so many people have the ego to think that the qualifications to design a bridge gives them any authority whatsoever in completely unrelated fields yet I see it constantly
@@xxbongobazookaxx7170 Constantly, yes. It's very discouraging. And the problem, to me, is that creationists/IDers will deliberately trot out engineers as "scientists" because the average flock member doesn't know the difference. They don't know that engineers aren't scientists, that while we apply scientific discoveries to the real world in various ways, we aren't scientists ourselves. That doesn't matter to the indoctrinated. They're told that engineers are "scientists," so of course we're all just as qualified as Dawkins to talk about evilution! /s
@@memyselfandi4173 As an engineer myself, I think there might be some issue with the American educational system at play here, cause over in Europe basically no one has any trouble understanding fundamental high-school level biology. It's even funny cause I remember when taking some classes on numerical optimization algorithms, the best performing ones tended to be derived from mimicking evolutionary processes. It's like, we as engineers can harness the ability of evolution to improve our designs, lol.
BTW: there is actually such a thing as engineering sciences, it's just not the same as natural sciences. So you can be a practicing research PhD - but your skill in unrelated fields is the same as expecting a PhD in psychology to explain nuclear physics.
".. to the unlearned and impressionable mind". FINALLY he got something correct, even if it was about himself.
Darwin is one of the very few historical people who I actually get more respect for the more I learn about him. He seems pretty progressive for his era.
Saying that, it's worth noting that being an abolitionist in the 1850's in the UK wasn't really radical. Slavery had been abolished here since 2 years before Darwin was born and in the entire empire since Darwin was 29. Abolition was solidly mainstream in the UK by the 1850's.
I'm the opposite. I find him a weird guy, but that doesn't discount his work.
@@Bildgesmythe he was definitely a weird guy too. You don't study barnacles for 10 years without being weird
I am eternally grateful to you for your excellent teaching style. Somehow you speaking for just a minute can blot out the stupidity of people, like @IamLucid, who prattle on for hours and say nothing.
My working theory is that a good chunk of these YT apologists just make those ludicrous videos to play the victim algorithm and to show in their groups that "I am the new crusader, now give me some money so I can fight the science devil worshippers".
It is a winning formula, that's been used for generations.
@@robertmiller9735 - And for currently indicted ex-presidents.
@@MossyMozart Sadly true. As much as I'd like to live centuries, at the moment I'm glad for aging. Not that his successor will be any better.
“femoid scientists”
Never change, GG lol
I actually joined his discord server about 2 weeks back to just see what it was like and if he'd responded to any of the debunks, and here's what I learned:
1. There's a massive community of pseudointellectuals who think they have complex discussions on these topics. Like, massive. And all of them will immediately attack you the moment you present an argument, rather than responding logically.
2. Lucid doesn't even seem to be the biggest portrayer of this whole rhetoric. His whole community already had the opinion whether or not they had evidence, and all he was doing was feeding into it to make some money.
3. Everybody in his community is incels and they have a whole section of the discord server dedicated to just holding back the urge to jack off every 10 minutes.
4. For some reason a lot of them are adamant that Islam is the only Abrahamic religion? It didn't make much sense, and I spent far too long arguing with them, but I managed to get a couple of them to agree in the end so I consider it a win for common sense.
5. Basically all of them are Tatesters, if that's even a surprise to anyone. When it was announced that the brothers were getting let out for house arrest, they all went wild.
So basically, it's exactly as terrible as we suspected. Thanks for your sacrfice.
Some god damn masterminds I'm sure 😂
yes because not being addiction to pornography is a terrible act
@@jl2834nice terrible grammatical attempt at a straw man, porn addiction & reliving a fluid that builds up and is made to be released are 2 totally different things, conflating them is pseudoscience.
yeah its about self improvement 💀they say Islam is because of the fact that judaism and Christianity are deviations, but the point is not common sense, that would be fallacious, the point would be to be correct
Best part has to be that we use both arguments "if we descente from apes why there are still apes?" And "if we descent from this hominins why did they go extinc?"
I have been watching you for years now, i love your content, teaching style and mannerisms. I plan to introduce my daughters to your work when they get a little older, as i know they will learn so much from you. Thankyou Erika, you're awesome.
This is the best video I've ever seen!!
Well, it...just started, but here's a comment for the algorithm.
Which, to be fair, is the best algorithm i’ve ever seen!!
Definitely a video for the algorithm, if I do say so myself.
And an algorithm for the video!
Love how British accents seem to upset the anti-science mob.
Sorry, that should be British accent singular, of which there is no such thing.
One might say that British accents may be grouped into has clades which are still evolving.
Life tends to diversity.
I hereby coin the term, "Speakiation".
Lamarck would have supported dialectical speakiation: the idea that a parent can, by accident or design, acquire an entirely new accent, complete with unique neologisms, and pass it on to their offspring. Divven tell us no tha, aye?
@pencilpauli9442 - The conflation of British always = super smart and reliable trope is used by the young earthers / creationists by having some of their "documentaries" narrated by men with British accents for the cred. When they have the budget for it, that is. Thank goodness David Attenborough IS on the side of science!
Thank you iamlurid, for acknowledging that the average Brit knows more about evolution than you do.
The average Brit probably knows more about just about every subject than the average American, I'm sorry to say. (Yes, even American history.) And it's getting worse, as right-wing politicians and activists have joined forces to undermine our public education system.
This is my first time learning about Project Steve and are now am losing my mind. This is hysterical, thank you for sharing.
"This has been another exercise in frustration". Erica, all my sympathy to you for having to endure these (intentionally) misleading arguments. Thanks for debunking the enemies of reason and empiric knowledge! ❤🎉🎉😊
I just found you thanks to the podcast posted on Professor Dave's channel, and I'm so happy I did. You're really good at this youtube stuff
there should be a three-way crossover between Erika, Forrest, and Dave
You mean like a debate?
@@jamestown8398 I'm sure they disagree on some fine points, but I doubt that they disagree on much. No, like a pro education triumvirate that dispatches of losers like lucid.
@Xostides - Hasn't Ms Gibbon already appeared with them at various times?
Kinda funny that he added a grass skirt when displaying Lucy. There’s absolutely not reason to do that.
Just be thankful that he didn't include Michelangelo's David.
Christian modesty transcends time lol
@@Bildgesmythe the people of the three books are only modest when talking about the privates of humanity. If it's about killing people, worshipping money and ego, about rape... That's another story.
It would be nice if those who dislike Darwin, actually had read his works.
Especially the book on earthworms.
I remember seeing Prof. Dave's video about this and couldn't help but hope that Erika would take a shot at it. She never disappoints.
glad to hear your input on this one! always great work
Me at the end of video: That was a solid rebuttal.
Me at the beginning: We have that mug!
I was really hoping you'd also hit this video and shore up where Dave fell short, which sadly, was a lot. You hit it much sooner than I expected, so I'm very glad indeed. Well done!
20:56 The "pecking" man 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😅😅😅 I almost missed that one.
@Where_is_Waldo - I laughed, too.
Yes it was fun -- thanks for covering this. It was a pick-me-up. Love your stuff!
I like what you do, thanks for sharing your expertise with us
Saw Professor Dave's reaction. Glad you were able to tag-team this fine young fellow.
It really sucks that I haven’t met any of my ancestors because they all went extinct when I was born. It would’ve been nice to know my parents and grandparents and even a great grandparent or two.
I have no idea why people complain about your voice. I think it's cute. And the spontaneous laugh at 16:51 was adorable.
This highlights a point that information and education inequality are serious problems in society.
Social media can unfortunately compound the problem for those who are disenfranchised. Then again, it’s also good that there are people like you clearing up the otherwise smelly air of misinformation!
Are you going to start doing shorts for the reels? I am a former BHI who is now rooted in science, and while conversing with my friends in my former faith, they send me pseudo clips of laymen attacking primatology. I would love to send them clips from your videos. Have a great day.
Thanks! I'm always impressed at how much effort you put into your videos, even with all your other commitments ❤
So great to see Project Steve mentioned again.
Thanks Erika, watched your contribution to Aron Ra's channel earlier. Good stuff.
14:10 I missed the first time you brought up the analogy of dogs and wolves, so I was going to use that exact example.
I don't understand how they don't understand evolution, I understood intuitively as a small child raised to believe the opposite; creationism, which I never could believe in. Even without evolution, it would be crazy to think we were _"intelligently"_ designed.
You see, they're trying very hard NOT to understand evolution, for fear of believing it. It probably takes a lot of effort.
I have always maintained that the religion should be sanctioned and its "education" should be outlawed, the fact indoctrination, specifically in Islam is forced on young minds without option is akin to child abuse.
Um. Infanticide has actually been fairly common throughout history and prehistory among human populations across the globe - and it was usually because the infant was seen as unlikely to survive. Different cultures had different ways of going about it ofc, but it was and in some cases still is a common practice.
Modern medicine (and society) has definitely influenced what we see as "unlikely to survive." And that's why most cases of the child being unable to survive requiring termination typically occurs in the womb (as that's also something we can detect and do now which wasn't possible prior to modern medicine). Like when a fetus has the heart develop outside their body - they will not survive birth. It's more merciful to terminate the pregnancy for both the child and pregnant person. And I honestly don't know why anti-abortion activists see that as bad - it's called empathy and mercy.
But back to what this person was getting at. Infanticide is not something that sets us apart from other mammals. This is extremely well documented.
My guy,if a mama cat will adopt possums, dogs can adopt cats and vice versa, and a big cat can adopt a cervid, I think we can disregard the notion that mammalian mothers will reliably kill offspring who are a little bit different.
It's ok though! His video editing skills make him a credible source.
Ah, good point! I need to up my video editing skills instead of basic research skills.
Just great stuff from GG.
I love the way that IamLucid has to put shorts and skirts on drawings of hominins even though they're apparently not humans.
The bit about empathy being harmful to our species survival drives me crazy, because it's completely irrelevant to the point he's trying to make. If that were true, it would be harmful to our survival whether we evolved or not. If anything, he's arguing that God gave us negative attributes and stacked our survival odds against us on purpose. Really good message, dude
I laughed so loud at the "Darwin would be canceled on Twitter today line I'm pretty sure I woke up my neighbors 😂
love your work
The 98% DNA similarity to pigs does seem to stem from a real thing, but it looks like maybe its a figure taken wildly out of context. A lot of it is over my head, but it seems to be referring specifically to SINES (short interspersed elements).
Love your work Gutsick!
Darwin sexist and racist? Well aren't we glad Lucid comes from a religion that condemns that sort of behavior.
Damn
This was a nice suprise just when it was needed 😂
Awesome, always love your vids. Soooo fun
24:22 Creationists commonly take aim at Darwin, while failing to understand that we don't worship Darwin, and all the work he's done has been verified, reverified and expanded upon by countless scientists. His scientific work stands up by its own merits, regardless of who he was as a person. And even if we throw everything he did out, we'd still have a mountain of evidence supporting evolution.
But I guess it kind of makes sense that creationists would think like this, because their own belief system is dogmatic and any divine words depend on the reliability of those who uttered them, because they often can't be verified, and attempts at verification are often explicitly discouraged and equated with sinfully doubting God.
As a designer, my experience in this field is one of the glaring giveaways that life is NOT designed. It's such a mess that it was one of the first cracks in my faith when I was a Christian. People at church would talk about seeing evidence of the designer in creation, and every time I thought, "wow, I'm not even a good designer and I could have done better." If you gave a good designer infinite knowledge, infinite power, and infinite resources, they'd never reuse stock from previous projects, they'd never accept poor user experience, and they'd constantly be tinkering to make sure new designs didn't negatively affect existing designs.
Engineering is a different story. Engineers just need to make things work to specifications while designers need things to work WELL. Try to change a battery in a Ford Focus, or park your Silverado during a good snow, or get a 3d printer's settings dialed in. You'll see real quick that engineers are not designers. A good deal of the time, the PURPOSE for some decisions is to make using the product more difficult, so maybe god's an evil engineer?
Thanks for all you do!
Love you Erica ❤️ (not in a creepy way, just in a respectful way lmao)
Saying "not in a creepy way" makes your comment seem creepy.
@@theymademepickaname1248 Yes, it's a real catch 22, isn't it?
But, sadly, this is the Internet, and I had to make sure my intent was clear!
I'm gay anyway lmao
Great video! Thanks. I especially liked learning about empathy and why it evolved for the group's survival. I never thought about that before! Fascinating!
unless he's a neurologist, he can't fix anyone's brain
Nice work Erika.
I'm sure you'll see this post amongst the 756 and counting in this thread's comments.
I've just come across your work tonight and have indulged in a mini binge.
Given the length of a lot of your videos I see I'm going to have to ration myself to one or two a day or face the wrath of Mrs BloodySlatts.
Cheers.
The greatest example for recent evolution imo is the London Underground Mosquito. Show them that and see what they say.
Or God took the Underground to St.Pauls and, being the only passager not staring at his I-phone, thought: "Jeess, you know what's missing here? Bugs!" and tadaa! 🤡
I am slightly disappointed that Ericka didn't try a British accent and classical music.
As is so often the case, what he imagines to be his best arguments really only demonstrate how poorly he understands the topic.
👍💯👍 I am in awe! How can you go through all that garbage and not lose your cool?
So if creationists refuse to acknowledge that humans are animals, do they think we are vegetables, minerals, bacteria, or fungi? I'd like to think I'm a fungi, but I'm rather boring.
Edit: It occurred to me that the whole "if X descended from Y, then why is Y not extinct?" is sort of like asking "if I was born, why aren't my parents/grandparents/cousins/siblings dead?"
the intro and outro music always gives me a buzz. love the art too.
Damn, you just love to see 1 million subscriber UA-cam channels spreading creationism
Depressing thought. But when I consider all the "skeptic" garbage washing up on potholer54's channel, I'm not surprised at IAL's sub numbers. I keep wondering if it was always this bad, or if "anti-science" and "anti-expert" are peaking like never before...
Cheers! 😊
@@ajmeyers5661 ayo, nice to see you around these comments!
@@Shtoops - I still lurk ph54 channel comments, I just stopped commenting. I feel like there's no real point addressing the "skeptics" over there, their arguments, or wading through their bogus links and/or reading papers that they cite without reading.
It's much more pleasant here! 😊
Only 12 scientists signing the "dissent" pledge meet Project Steve's more rigourous professional standards?
That is just 'chef's kiss' f**king perfect!
Look into Brien Foerster and his elongated skulls. He has one where he put a older head on a infant body.
This would be interesting - Brien has been banging on about these South American elongated skulls for so long, he needs a take down
@@magusmelanie828 Jon perry genetics channel has a few videos.
@TheMoneypresident I'll have a look! I've saw good takedowns of his pseudo archeology, but not so much his pseudo anthropology
@@magusmelanie828 here is a early one ua-cam.com/video/AdYT3GtTE2g/v-deo.html
@Anthropomorphic Trilobite that sounds largely correct, I can't verify the first bit, but the 2nd yes
He goes through that litany of things we "share DNA with" without once stopping to consider that hey...maybe those crazy biologists think that ALL life on the planet is related. Wild.
Yanno, that hoodie saying "virgin" makes me think it's probably not by choice. 😉 I'd wager that anyone who heard him spout his weirdass ideas and beliefs would slowly back away, keeping their back to the door, and leave as soon as humanly - apely - possible! 😂
Thanks for all the cool videos you make for us, Erika. 😊 Stay gentle, ya modern ape! 😉
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Maybe if you were more open minded you would know that it’s a sin to commit sex outside of marriage (lucid is not married) their for it would be a sin. Let’s not be racist now
The Dunning-Kruger effect is when a person does not have skills or ability in a specific area but sees themselves as fully equipped to give opinions or carry out tasks in that field, even though objective measures or people around them may disagree. They are unaware that they do not have the necessary capabilities
But he does have that cool, sciency mst3k-esque backdrop.
That petition gets even more hilarious when you dig into the details. Several of the people on Dissent from Darwin list felt they had been misled when they signed it and had no issues with evolution. Others disagreed with some consensus conclusions of evolution, but had no issue with the broad strokes of evolution. This should come as little surprise to most people who are familiar with apologist tactics.
Yup. Being skeptical of something doesn't mean one rejects it. And you could easily read it as it basically saying "we still have more to learn."
@4:03
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't trust a guy who wears a hoodie with the word "virgin" on it.
Oh, I do trust him that he is a virgin, yes.
So basically, on an evolutionary scale, we're all just VERY VERY half cousins 😂
As always, a great video.
I think the Darwin is a racist trope is more to do with a deliberate misunderstanding of the english used in his writings.