I’m kinda surprised not more people know about these EPYC 4004 CPUs, theyre pretty much just repurposed Ryzen 7000 models and even still have the same iGPU. I know you mentioned that the ECC support is not a big deal but it actually is, for regular Ryzen CPUs the ECC support is down to the motherboard manufacturer and error reporting is rarely done correctly. With these CPUs the ECC support is guaranteed by AMD and thus the boards that officially list supporting these have to also have correct and working error reporting implementation. A lot of server providers already use regular Ryzen CPUs for smaller loads and edge tasks and this is just more official way by AMD to provide support for these customers. Edit: Oh and these are not just some “china” CPUs but meant for international customers just like any other workstation or server grade processor.
3:48 because being an "epyc" cpu has implications for support & validation from what I gather, desktop-class epyc cpus such as this are for low-power usecases (embedded/edge, places where you would normally find something BGA/mobile-class) but need more PCIE than mobile platforms provide.
This reminds me of the oldschool AMD *OPTERON* chips from back in the skt939 days. You had your commercial retail chips like your 64's, X2's and FX's then you had the workstation/Server chips and those were basically like gold dust for OC enthusiasts.
The Epyc 4004 series is a more budget oriented server product for small businesses and hosting. Being a server CPU, it has more security features for data protection (among other things) than regular desktop CPUs.
From memory - a lot of AIB's are not listing support for EPYC, but CPU's work on them regardless. This is annoying if you actually have one of the few boards that don't support EPYC "well". Since they presumably didn't do validation.
That seems like a really ideal cpu for some niche tasks, being able to really crank those low thread workloads out on a CPU I hope would be significantly cheaper than one with more cores. I'd think it would be more interesting to see how low it can it go in idle and towards efficiency over performance for those 24/7 machines rather than cranking up the power as well - if you're running your own NAS, Router, webserver etc a low core count CPU is likely fine for most folks.
There are some Zen 5 desktop CPUs assembled in China. I've personally seen someone with a 7950X that OC'd very well. Although I don't recall the PCB being notably different, that's a bit strange.
the price if was lower would make sense to make small fileservers, nas or other type of servers with it, since am5 supports ecc ram, but if the cheaper 6 cores can do it too, very little reasons to choose this one, but nice to know it exists
How is the memory controller on this? I've seen screenshots of EPYC CPUs running pretty crazy memory ocs (7000mts in 1:1), is the memory controller the one of the higher EPYC skus or this uses the same memory controller of 7000/9000 ryzen?
" I've seen screenshots of EPYC CPUs running pretty crazy memory ocs" Those come from people that go through docents of samples to get one that can run those short benchmarks at those numbers. But that is kinda like those 7GHz CPUs.
I think the only reason this thing exists is for lower powered basic servers etc and why it’s in the Epyc line is because it has all the hardware security and management features of the Epyc line. You would also probably need a matching mobo with the proper chipset to get the full features.
my educated guess would be this cpu is specifically for an emulation farm server, where having multiple phone take up too many power and hard to do task on all but having a low-powered epyc like this is mean you could controlled it on a single pc + it run on the AM5 chipset and being only 4 cores it could somehow be made in china without being restricted by the US
my uneducated guess would be that these are being used for workstations in china. so they're taking embedded epyc cpu's and assembling them as socketable chips to get around the stricter rule changes on non chinese produced hardware.
Soo we are getting 4C EPYC for AM5 but no official Ryzen 3 for DIY market honestly imagine if we would get finally follow up to the Ryzen 3 3300X -> cmon an Ryzen 3 7300 or 8300X, with single die, no chilpets and some nice cache on it - not x3d level but like... 32 or maybe 36mb of cache just imagine how that would dominate i3 market
Ryzen 3600, 4500, 5500, and 5600 already dominate the price range of i3. AMD would rather sell different versions of 6-core chips than what intel does (12400 or nothing)
I remember building a system (for some video editing work) based on a Q6600; when the advice was that 4 cores were too many if you were a gamer. How times change.
That was a looong time ago and back then that was about right - you could either get more cores or higher frequency for the same price. And it took like 7 years till the extra cores started to give more performance than the extra frequency. So unless you were eyeing on keeping the system for 10+ years you would, for most of the time, have a weaker system.
@@ABaumstumpf The nice thing about Q6600 G0 (SLACR) was that you can easily OC them to at least 3GHz at stock voltage with the stock cooler. That would have been enough to match the same price dual core CPU (E6850 3.0GHz) in games, though of course the dual core CPU could also be overclocked
It's just cheap 4 core with 4 additional PCIE lanes, it's only issue is that Ryzen 7600 price dropped so low, if 7600 was sold for it's MSRP (260$) this CPU would look much better.
Quad core Epyc is targeted for server usage where HW requirements are low and SW licences are payed by count of cores. CPU with more cores only add costs (even tenths thousand US$/core for one unamed DB).
I mean, Intel still make and sell 2 core Celeron cpus, which don't have any hyperthreading. I think this four core is better than sending x amount of chips to a literal bin.
That seems fine for some legacy server where single core performance is the most important feature. Such use cases are rare, but for example the minecraft server package does not greatly benefit from the additional cores. Product for such niche market could make sense considering how big gaming is for China. If Amd was selling basically production waste it would especially make sense, but why is the price still that high? Import costs? I'm just speculating, would be interesting to know the real answers
@@ianoconnor1515 and people were bashing amd for 9700x being +5% 7700x at less power consumption(105-65) while intel are -2% at lower power with a massive node jump. Intel7 (N6 equivalent) to N3B. 300w to 200w. yet people celebrate. Zen5 was Heavily server 1st product unlike Arrowlake-s that were specifically designed for DT
How low will it undervolt at stock clocks? I remember going low low on a 200GE a few years ago and had it running right around 20W at stock clocks with full stability. Yes it's only a 15W difference but that's a pretty good drop in power draw, at 20W it could be passively cooled. Kind of surprised they didn't bin these for lower TDP for the server market. A cheap 4 core CPU with Epyc validation that only uses 45W would have been pretty attractive I'd have thought? Anyway I also went the other way and OC'd the 200GE to 4.0ghz because why not. Good times.
IHS is probably what was made in china. I believe they send bare silicon from taiwan and then its soldered onto the PCB and IHS attached in another country.
AMD EPYC 4124P(4 core), 4244P(6 core), 4344P(8 core), 4364P(8 core), 4464P(12 core), 4484PX(12 core), 4564P(16 core), 4584PX(16 core) are all designed to be cost effective SERVER CPUs. Whereas the Ryzen range of CONSUMER CPUs support ECC RAM, they are NOT CERTIFIED to do so, but the EPYC CPUs are CERTIFIED. Not everyone in the world is a gamer so stop being a fanboy and constantly testing gaming performance! I myself have an EPYC 4344P in a server and I couldn't care less about its gaming performance. What I do care about is RAS - Reliability, Availability and Serviceability. They are based on the SAME silicon as the Ryzen 7000 CPUs. They are ALL listed on the AMD website under EPYC 4004 series.
I know it only has 4 cores but i still would have expected more than 9000 points in r23, my r5 3600 4.2 ghz OC with the stock cooler gets like 9800 points with 88 watts power consumption in r23
It will be fun if this thing supported ecc memory on regular motherboard Efficient home lab ( just limited the boost a bit and it will be super efficient)
8300G is the R3. for high boost speed, some server does go low core count. Epyc does have a 2core active per 8 core CCD but that doesnt mean we are gettting athlon series back
this cpu is ideal for small servers, the am5 socket supports ddr5 ecc, so you can do printer server, file server, similar stuff on cheaper hardware, for those who want epyc servers it is there
@@MykytaSpirin or he tried to say "unlocked/open multiplier".... For a guy who can't say "welcome back" it's hard to guess what he's trying to say and what he wanting to say.
@@der8auer-en it's all good i just check it on google translation how it is pronounce in German and it's the same way you did ,because i didn't know it was pronounced differently in German
I dont undenstand why amd the even produces epyc on the am5 socket. The only differences seem to be engraving, base profile (which can be ajusted in the bios) and 4-cores cpus. No more cores or c-cores, pcie lanes, memory channels. Another s-show from amd marketing team.
So epyc is a parody to word "epic" it reminds me these old xeons with 2c/4t really...useless things because of it's price 4c/4t we're cheaper 😂with same power consumption if i remember that correctly
I would be EQUALLY obtuse (as a human) to the product - if it was branded/named "Intel Ukraine 5950k". It bothers me to see a company enter into political arena, at a time in which both manufacturers are utterly FAILING to produce quality products; and yet charge the same if not more insane prices for inefficient and flawed models. Love your channel, and respect you deeply Herr Erbauer. AMD makes me want to essen fiber excessively and force myself to take a massive sheisse right now, quite possibly for no other reason than simply to gain the sensation of flushing crap.
You do realize that "Made in" is not the same as branding? It is literally on every product sold (at least in the west). Heck, I'm pretty sure that listing country of origin (of the product, so in this case - final assembly) is required by some International treaties. If you want to sell it abroad - you need to have this on your product. But it isn't the name of the product for God's sake!
I’m kinda surprised not more people know about these EPYC 4004 CPUs, theyre pretty much just repurposed Ryzen 7000 models and even still have the same iGPU. I know you mentioned that the ECC support is not a big deal but it actually is, for regular Ryzen CPUs the ECC support is down to the motherboard manufacturer and error reporting is rarely done correctly. With these CPUs the ECC support is guaranteed by AMD and thus the boards that officially list supporting these have to also have correct and working error reporting implementation. A lot of server providers already use regular Ryzen CPUs for smaller loads and edge tasks and this is just more official way by AMD to provide support for these customers.
Edit: Oh and these are not just some “china” CPUs but meant for international customers just like any other workstation or server grade processor.
3:48 because being an "epyc" cpu has implications for support & validation
from what I gather, desktop-class epyc cpus such as this are for low-power usecases (embedded/edge, places where you would normally find something BGA/mobile-class) but need more PCIE than mobile platforms provide.
"we have EPYC at home"
epyc at home:
yeah this looks like a socketable embedded epyc cpu would be my guess.
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This reminds me of the oldschool AMD *OPTERON* chips from back in the skt939 days. You had your commercial retail chips like your 64's, X2's and FX's then you had the workstation/Server chips and those were basically like gold dust for OC enthusiasts.
This CPU's multithreading is about the same as the 8-core Ryzen 7 1800X. That is rather impressive, IMO.
The 1800x is like 7yo or something.
nah, that thing is old.
Also similar to the 6-core Ryzen 5 5500. Very impressive IMO
You said " In my opinion " , that's nice of you hence my thumbs up for you. Good.
That's pretty normal for modern day 4 cores. The 14100 did it before this even came out.
The Epyc 4004 series is a more budget oriented server product for small businesses and hosting. Being a server CPU, it has more security features for data protection (among other things) than regular desktop CPUs.
From memory - a lot of AIB's are not listing support for EPYC, but CPU's work on them regardless. This is annoying if you actually have one of the few boards that don't support EPYC "well". Since they presumably didn't do validation.
Your topic sparked little hope in me that such 4 core would be budget option for gaming. Your results killed it easily.
That seems like a really ideal cpu for some niche tasks, being able to really crank those low thread workloads out on a CPU I hope would be significantly cheaper than one with more cores.
I'd think it would be more interesting to see how low it can it go in idle and towards efficiency over performance for those 24/7 machines rather than cranking up the power as well - if you're running your own NAS, Router, webserver etc a low core count CPU is likely fine for most folks.
Also what about PCIE lines? If it has lots of them, then its definitely NAS/GPU-rack machine.
Minecraft server (single instance)
Idle won't be much better than a 9700X. I/O die and Infinity Fabric dominate idle power.
@@concinnus probably true, but when its as cut down as this on the compute side the IO and fabric may well be simpler and less power hungry for it.
There are some Zen 5 desktop CPUs assembled in China. I've personally seen someone with a 7950X that OC'd very well. Although I don't recall the PCB being notably different, that's a bit strange.
the price if was lower would make sense to make small fileservers, nas or other type of servers with it, since am5 supports ecc ram, but if the cheaper 6 cores can do it too, very little reasons to choose this one, but nice to know it exists
How is the memory controller on this? I've seen screenshots of EPYC CPUs running pretty crazy memory ocs (7000mts in 1:1), is the memory controller the one of the higher EPYC skus or this uses the same memory controller of 7000/9000 ryzen?
" I've seen screenshots of EPYC CPUs running pretty crazy memory ocs"
Those come from people that go through docents of samples to get one that can run those short benchmarks at those numbers. But that is kinda like those 7GHz CPUs.
No, he clearly says "aside from Epyc being written on it, its the same as a ryzen 7000 CPU" So it has the same controller as a Ryzen 7000.
Finally a 4 core CPU.
I think the only reason this thing exists is for lower powered basic servers etc and why it’s in the Epyc line is because it has all the hardware security and management features of the Epyc line. You would also probably need a matching mobo with the proper chipset to get the full features.
Seeing game engines obsoleted 4-core chips, I just feel very old now.
my educated guess would be this cpu is specifically for an emulation farm server, where having multiple phone take up too many power and hard to do task on all but having a low-powered epyc like this is mean you could controlled it on a single pc + it run on the AM5 chipset and being only 4 cores it could somehow be made in china without being restricted by the US
The CPU block on that AIO is taller than some Air Coolers WOW
probably make a great NAS cpu.
if only it had... 32 more pcie lanes. *glares in Xeon gold*
or just for an office
4 fast cores still has a lot of uses if the price it was sold for made sense. For home server this will run as fast as older 6 or 8 core ryzen.
my uneducated guess would be that these are being used for workstations in china. so they're taking embedded epyc cpu's and assembling them as socketable chips to get around the stricter rule changes on non chinese produced hardware.
Soo we are getting 4C EPYC for AM5
but no official Ryzen 3 for DIY market
honestly imagine if we would get finally follow up to the Ryzen 3 3300X -> cmon an Ryzen 3 7300 or 8300X, with single die, no chilpets and some nice cache on it - not x3d level but like... 32 or maybe 36mb of cache
just imagine how that would dominate i3 market
They can sell those Epyc made of litteral die leftovers for 5x what they would be able to sell it as a Ryzen 3... aka "professional grade pricing"
I doubt they get enough volume of 4c chiplets to make a (reasonably in-stock) consumer product
@@potatoes5829 yeah that too, they perfected the 8c CCDs
Ryzen 3600, 4500, 5500, and 5600 already dominate the price range of i3. AMD would rather sell different versions of 6-core chips than what intel does (12400 or nothing)
They would barely have enough 4 cores for epyc, let alone ryzen3 fro consumers with way lower margins
I remember building a system (for some video editing work) based on a Q6600; when the advice was that 4 cores were too many if you were a gamer. How times change.
That was a looong time ago and back then that was about right - you could either get more cores or higher frequency for the same price. And it took like 7 years till the extra cores started to give more performance than the extra frequency. So unless you were eyeing on keeping the system for 10+ years you would, for most of the time, have a weaker system.
@@ABaumstumpf The nice thing about Q6600 G0 (SLACR) was that you can easily OC them to at least 3GHz at stock voltage with the stock cooler. That would have been enough to match the same price dual core CPU (E6850 3.0GHz) in games, though of course the dual core CPU could also be overclocked
@@Pasi123 Of course :)
The Q6600 was by no means bad - just not the best choice if gaming was your main focus.
It's just cheap 4 core with 4 additional PCIE lanes, it's only issue is that Ryzen 7600 price dropped so low, if 7600 was sold for it's MSRP (260$) this CPU would look much better.
Your water block looks very nice and clean.
There is 8300g/8350g pro with 4 cores. So this epyc is not only one
Seems like the limitations that pushed the industry to multicore are still in effect.
Thanks for the review Roman!
Quad core Epyc is targeted for server usage where HW requirements are low and SW licences are payed by count of cores. CPU with more cores only add costs (even tenths thousand US$/core for one unamed DB).
I mean, Intel still make and sell 2 core Celeron cpus, which don't have any hyperthreading. I think this four core is better than sending x amount of chips to a literal bin.
The reason for the bad CPU perf is half L3 cache - 16MB. I bet a 7600X with 2 cores missing would be a lot faster in games.
That thing uses the same die as 7600x. its just ECC certified version for cpu
When I saw the title I thought you were talking about the Ryzen 3 8300G
Interesting CPU but do that desktop terrarium review ;)
This would be the ideal setup for the 7900x3D, cc0x3d 8 cores and ccd1 4 cores, would make the problems less frequent
I'm planning on making a cheap AM5 game server build. With leftover parts.
This would be great... But taxes and tariffs fuck this up for me
Awesome video!
Will you do a delid performance test on a 7500f anytime soon?
Is it brand new? Always thought the darker the PCB - the more it's fried already.
That seems fine for some legacy server where single core performance is the most important feature. Such use cases are rare, but for example the minecraft server package does not greatly benefit from the additional cores. Product for such niche market could make sense considering how big gaming is for China. If Amd was selling basically production waste it would especially make sense, but why is the price still that high? Import costs? I'm just speculating, would be interesting to know the real answers
Could be a down binned product, leftover from more powerfull Epyc CPUs. All in all, interesting to see being available on the market.
The only epic I can afford. Maybe china makes a 10 CPU motherboard for a cheap price.
Might be a good option for a NAS. It would interesting with some undervolting and drop in the speed, how low the power usage can go.
Reminder, if AMD never came up with "Ryzen" , y'all will still use "brand new" Core i7 with 4 Cores 8 Threads today
And 2% increase in fps would be the norm 😊
@@ianoconnor1515 and people were bashing amd for 9700x being +5% 7700x at less power consumption(105-65) while intel are -2% at lower power with a massive node jump. Intel7 (N6 equivalent) to N3B. 300w to 200w. yet people celebrate. Zen5 was Heavily server 1st product unlike Arrowlake-s that were specifically designed for DT
Finally, a suitable upgrade for my 4670K.
How low will it undervolt at stock clocks? I remember going low low on a 200GE a few years ago and had it running right around 20W at stock clocks with full stability. Yes it's only a 15W difference but that's a pretty good drop in power draw, at 20W it could be passively cooled. Kind of surprised they didn't bin these for lower TDP for the server market. A cheap 4 core CPU with Epyc validation that only uses 45W would have been pretty attractive I'd have thought? Anyway I also went the other way and OC'd the 200GE to 4.0ghz because why not. Good times.
2-3 weeks ago I overclocked an athlon 3000g to 4ghz it only used 35w according to hardwareinfo
that 4 core Epyc has cinebench score like my ryzen 5 3600 😁
Looks good definitely need one version here
If I were AMD, I'd imprint "Taiwan is #1" under each IHS.
Not if you wanted them to sell in china
IHS is probably what was made in china.
I believe they send bare silicon from taiwan and then its soldered onto the PCB and IHS attached in another country.
How childish.
@@LigbyWest Taiwan*
made in Nationalist China.
Very few software applied no. Of cores limitation on the licensing. This seems to be a perfect CPU to have an all core boosts to 5+ GHz all time.
Do these AM5 epycs support RDIMMs? those could have higher capacities, than regular unbuffered dimms.
DDR5 RDIMMs have a different physical slot to DDR5 UDIMMs
AMD EPYC 4124P(4 core), 4244P(6 core), 4344P(8 core), 4364P(8 core), 4464P(12 core), 4484PX(12 core), 4564P(16 core), 4584PX(16 core) are all designed
to be cost effective SERVER CPUs. Whereas the Ryzen range of CONSUMER CPUs support ECC RAM, they are NOT CERTIFIED to do so, but the EPYC CPUs are
CERTIFIED. Not everyone in the world is a gamer so stop being a fanboy and constantly testing gaming performance! I myself have an EPYC 4344P in a server
and I couldn't care less about its gaming performance. What I do care about is RAS - Reliability, Availability and Serviceability. They are based on the SAME silicon
as the Ryzen 7000 CPUs. They are ALL listed on the AMD website under EPYC 4004 series.
Does it have more PCIE lines? If it does, then its a no-brainer if you arent so rich, that you can afford modern xeon/threadripper.
Then you are just on the wrong channel.
they are not based on the same silicon, they are the same silicon :D
@@der8auer-en It depends on how good your English is ;)
I don't understand the existence of this cpu,same pci line of Ryzen,but only 4 core,same am5 socket. Why don't sell this as Ryzen 3?
I know it only has 4 cores but i still would have expected more than 9000 points in r23, my r5 3600 4.2 ghz OC with the stock cooler gets like 9800 points with 88 watts power consumption in r23
It will be fun if this thing supported ecc memory on regular motherboard
Efficient home lab ( just limited the boost a bit and it will be super efficient)
when can we buy the 1851 contact frame and mycro pro?
This is very identical to r5 760p but 2 less cores. Now we wait for r3 7xxx specs
8300G is the R3. for high boost speed, some server does go low core count. Epyc does have a 2core active per 8 core CCD but that doesnt mean we are gettting athlon series back
In this age four core will get you by with older games.
zen4c ?
Sheik, where are thou ?
I thought It Was a Ryzen 3!
Did some research and it looks like there are some ryzen 9000 CPUs that are labled 'made in china'
I got one from AMD as a loaner when swapping processors.
I think Taiwan is China.
it's like the same thing as Made in China
Tell that to John cena if you see him
What 360 cooler was being used here?
We don’t get political means “we don’t want to rock the boat”. Time to hold people accountable.
well wouldn't this CPU be great for like a NAS or something low power like that?
I thought AMD had completely abandoned quad core cpus.
this cpu is ideal for small servers, the am5 socket supports ddr5 ecc, so you can do printer server, file server, similar stuff on cheaper hardware, for those who want epyc servers it is there
@@arch1107 it runs cool, I guess
Looks like similar results to a BCLK O/C 12100.
What about eu country of origin laws?
Fun stuff! Thumbs up.
hello. can you compare it with 7600 non X version. for TDP reason...
yeah and what is the point? will it do work at a oc level? no oc is outdated and unuseable. why but why? go oc a ham radio it is so useful!
8300G?
does it have the 8 threads?
still bad price point, intel has 4c/8t i3's for much less.
You're paying a premium for the EPYC feature support... your guess is as good as mine as to why anyone would need that with a 4 core.
0:17 Open multiplayer???
I think it's for unlock OC multiplayer
@@MykytaSpirin or he tried to say "unlocked/open multiplier".... For a guy who can't say "welcome back" it's hard to guess what he's trying to say and what he wanting to say.
Could the country of origin markings meaning for the IHS only to cool down, pun not intended, political animosity?
Malaaysia 🤣
Malayasiya 🤣 🤣
yea pronounced it the German way xD sometimes tricks me when shooting dual language
@@der8auer-en it's all good i just check it on google translation how it is pronounce in German and it's the same way you did ,because i didn't know it was pronounced differently in German
the 7600x was 15 thousand not 15 hundred Roman
its reverse from intel core i5 7640x core i7 7740x
Hi please test this this CPU against i3 12100 , last great 4 core cpu
Meanwhile You're not allowed to said Taiwan's
I dont undenstand why amd the even produces epyc on the am5 socket. The only differences seem to be engraving, base profile (which can be ajusted in the bios) and 4-cores cpus. No more cores or c-cores, pcie lanes, memory channels. Another s-show from amd marketing team.
its for ECC. AM5 does have some MB certified but not the Ryzen CPU. Epyc cpu are ECC certified
I think 4 core may be officially dead D. 😬
So epyc is a parody to word "epic" it reminds me these old xeons with 2c/4t really...useless things because of it's price 4c/4t we're cheaper 😂with same power consumption if i remember that correctly
I would buy a 4-core , since who in thier right mind can buy nvidia or amd overpriced graphics cards -4 cores are all that are needed for my gpu
Well WE LOVE TAIWAN!!!!!!! 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Even the USA doesn't consider Chinese Taipei a country
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It's not even an good as a paper weight
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I would be EQUALLY obtuse (as a human) to the product - if it was branded/named "Intel Ukraine 5950k".
It bothers me to see a company enter into political arena, at a time in which both manufacturers are utterly FAILING to produce quality products; and yet charge the same if not more insane prices for inefficient and flawed models.
Love your channel, and respect you deeply Herr Erbauer. AMD makes me want to essen fiber excessively and force myself to take a massive sheisse right now, quite possibly for no other reason than simply to gain the sensation of flushing crap.
You do realize that "Made in" is not the same as branding? It is literally on every product sold (at least in the west). Heck, I'm pretty sure that listing country of origin (of the product, so in this case - final assembly) is required by some International treaties. If you want to sell it abroad - you need to have this on your product. But it isn't the name of the product for God's sake!
malaieezya
woah!
i3 12100 i still better.
nobody asked
Higher than 5.65 GHz is not stable? 🦧