The Watch With All the Fun and None of the Risk | Watchfinder & Co.
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- There are pros and cons of owning a vintage watch. The pros, you get a piece in period style and-perhaps just as important if not more-proportions, something that modern watchmaking just seems to have no time for anymore, even the reissue pieces. The cons, you’re looking after something built at a different time with different materials and different techniques, and that can be a whole undertaking in itself. But what if you could have the best of both worlds?
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Biggest achievement for Baltic watches is that they made it to this channel..
Very happy indeed that @watchfinder reached us to organize this review. The light is outstanding! 😍 thanks again guys!
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@@BALTICWatches Your watches are great, and I have seriously thought about picking up one of the three-handers even though it's not the type of watch I'm looking for at the moment. I listened to you and the guys from Halios and Autodromo on the Worn and Wound podcast and wish you the best.
@@BALTICWatches Well deserved!
I had the pleasure of meeting the Baltic team at a NY Watch Fair. Super nice guys. Glad to see the level of success they're achieving.
I am waiting for a Sinn review
YES!
Same here Ive asked many times
I think there is already one at least. Pretty sure I watched it in this channel.
I always wonder why Stowa or Sinn is not reviewed here when Baltic made it here
903 please
That aquascaphe is beautiful. Tastefully done
There is also an aquascaphe GMT now. With a 24-h fourth hand, a 24-hours bezel and a Soprod movement
I always wonder why Stowa or Sinn is not reviewed here when Baltic made it here
Marketing mate
Yep not reviewing sinn is a lost opportunity.
Because those brands suck! This is original!
Jk probably paid for advertisement!
I heard stows is pretty good
The Rat has covered them extensively on his channel
I love how this video gets ranting comments by snobs who think they know better than the good people working at Watchfinder & Co. Totally made my day.
"tHeSe wAtCHeS HaVe No HeRiTAgE" "WaAy oVeRpRICeD fOr cHEaP MoVeemEnTs"
I know right! Its fine to have an opinion and not like it but to try and critique them and tell experts they're wrong is a little on the nose 😂
Watchfinder are watch experts? Really? They make UA-cam vids. That shows expertise? Stupid.
@@dragonmaster7841 they're a gray market watch dealer. Quite a bit more qualified than what you suggest.
Beck Stein haha why so salty?
Seeing you cover more affordable watches is pleasant indeed.
It's very funny to read all the strongly negative reviews from people who haven't tried this watch (and also to consider "kickstarter brands" as irrelevant). I chose the chronograph for its vintage look (stepcase) and personally I don't care about the 1963 Chinese! I don't know if Baltic has made a pre-delivery adjustment but it's one of my most accurate watches.
Would love to see a video on stowa watches . They offer great value for money
One of my first nice watches was a stowa marine, very nice
Love my flieger klassik 40
I never thought we'd see a Seagull ST19 movement on this channel, where "affordable" usually means $1,000-$4,000. I for one approve -- it's the only column wheel chronograph you can get in a new watch for less than $1,500. Leave it to Watchfinder to photograph this thing beautifully...
They're quite attractive for the price. But then again, you Sir can sell ice to the eskimos ! LOL ...
Feels like an advertisement
All videos on Watchmaker feels like an advertisement :P
That's good for me though, learn about new brands...
Yeah it's because it's a review, but he doesn't say anything negative, which somehow seems fine for the haute horology but feels missing at the $300 price point.
@@StorKejsaren I really don't mind watching his advertisements all day long.
ALL of these watch channels are, which is why they are sent these watches to review. Any good watch review where the guy liked the watch is very much an advertisement for the watch!
Imagine in this price you can buy a seiko sarx045 with all in house 6R15 movement and sapphire glass with top high quality bracelet and amazing blue dial .... choose wisely
Sohail Japer So many examples and you gave the worst one.
The 6r15 movement is thicker and has a lower beatrate than the miyota
Oh God, you're right
I'm liking the Aquascaphe a lot. Not keen on the marketing, but that's how it is nowadays. Perceived quality is worth as much as real quality to some. Seriously thinking it will be my next watch. It's a lovely thing. Admitted I'm a watch snob, and that's the only thing holding me back.
I wonder how much Baltic watches paid watchfinder for this advert!
Z-e-r-o to be precise! 😉
@@BALTICWatches of course you would say that. However your watches are beautiful! I'm in love with that Aquascaphe. I have been contemplating getting a oris diver 65 blue dial but now you have given me a dilemma!
@@jamesbelan I would rather not answer if it was actually paid 😉 An Oris 65 or an Aquascaphe is a good dilemma indeed, but I know what I would take tho. 😁
@@jamesbelan An Oris... of course. Not new, that is silly to do, but you can get almost mint pre-owned for a nice price. Not to criticise Baltic, the watches look nice, the quality will sure be high too. But just som 20-30% more expensive, than I would be willing to pay for them... For this price range, the Ward C65 Trident wins anytime. Nice vintage look too, with a Sellita movement.
@@kornelberkes3999 oris diver 65 was on sale for £900 at goldsmiths so buying new may not be so bad on the wallet!
Try a Baltic, you won’t be disappointed.
Cheers to this review! Great show for a nice watch at a price point that more can afford.
Now that Baltic has released a new Aquascaphe with copper bezel, its only fitting to have a new video.
How did Baltic get into Watchfinder..
Did you watch the video? Baltic has really grabbed the vintage-inspired look for today.
@@eyeontime6136 I did. The commentary was a glamour piece that glossed over the many critisisms people have with the "French" Baltic. There is a reason people take issue with the company.
@Ali Alexander you seem to prefer German crap over the French one
@@atticus6572 please, elaborate. I've never heard of Baltic before.
@@monsters8730 Baltic's a new microbrand which has caught the eye of many people. Essentially, some take issue with what Baltic offers for the price. For example, $750+ USD gets you a Baltic Aquascaphe diver with a Miyota 9039 movement. Same situation applies elsewhere in their lineup. Half the community condemns for not being worth its cost, and the other half praises for the neo-vintage design. Plus, Baltic plays on their French heritage a lot, which some say is a bit misleading.
Not only is Baltic a bit out of place on Watchfinder here (which is where my original comment stemmed from), but I personally find most "reviews" of Baltic products be pretty one-sided in the company's favor. Curious thing, really.
Nice watches - but seem a little expensive for Seagull and Miyota movements........
Please review the De Bethune DB25 Starry Varius 🙌🏻
But if you're gonna get a sea-gull movement, why not just buy a $80 Parnis watch?
Which parnis watches has a sea-gull movement? I haven't seen one. I believe u, I'm just curious.
@@fredriksandahl258 for example the Parnis IWC Portuguese homage uses the seagull 2542 movement
@@a-dino to big for me unfortunately but what a bargain if you have a bigger wrist. The biggest reason for not buying the chronograph for me is the crystal. Mabye the diver
Okay, now is my chance to own a watch that's been featured on Watchfinder&Co. 😱😱😱
Thanks for the review. Sorry for all the hate here. I like the Aquscape a lot. Finding a 200m no date watch under 40mm in a decent design seemed impossible till now. Even the Oris 65 ist not that well designed. The Miyota, sounds good. I have been told by a watchmaker that asian movements improve, while swiss movements not lasting that long anymore because of softer metals (can’t say that is true). But I have a Miyota in my 21 year old Citizen Promaster, still good with 3,6 seconds a day. And if it cracks you get a new one for a few euros. The thing is, I need to see the watch on my wrist before I buy it, so I hope I can get a hold of one.
Oris 65 uses aluminium bezel insert, a stepdown compared to Baltic sapphire bezel
I like the looks of these watches, but the prices are at least double what I would pay for them.
As a beginner watch collector and an owner of the Aquascaphe, I have always been curious when I read comments that say this is overpriced because of the Miyota movement. Do people judge the value of a watch on accuracy of movement? Mine has been keeping excellent time (averaging around +5s/day or less) in the months I have worn it, I believe I read that Baltic regulates the movement.
Isn’t owning a watch just because you like the overall design and the way it makes you feel when you look at it a good enough reason?
Either way, congratulations Baltic and keep up what you are doing!
Well done! I really enjoy every single video of you. I love the design of the Aquascaphe.
Watchfinder & Co. how about a video about Fortis? Overbuilt and underrated?
Or CWC watches? Maker of the last Mechanical- and first Quartz- "MilSub" (... and the best G10 straps by far if you ask me ;-D )
what about Yema watches? Can you do a review for Yema Navygraf. Same like here, vintage but...new.
500£ for a Seagull 😅
...then again one can get a Sea Hull's own reissue of their 1963 Pilot's Chronograph with that very same movement for $200-ish...
Sure, but the movement is not the only thing watches are made of.
The seagull is a Chinese communist army watch. The connotations for some are a deal breaker.
@@itamaradio it doesn't excuse the fact that they are packaging $30 movements in case and selling it for $500
Why beat baltic, watch prices make no sense anywhere.
Any chance of you looking at the Junkers range?
I nead those shitters in my colection. love it! design is 9/10
Oh dear. This seemed like little more than an advertisement to me.
"Adding Value" content is not the first such content he did. Check his channel.
These are really attractive watches, but I'm not feeling the value. I can buy a Miyota 821A movement for $57 with not bulk discount. That leaves more than $300 for the case, dial, and hands. Good design is worth something, but this much? I could get a Hamilton Khaki Handwind, also a vintage look, with Swiss movement and sapphire crystal for not much more than the HMS001.
Adding value where?
They are overpriced because they are made in France
I was thinking about the aquascape but screw that 700euros for and ETA diver?
They make beautiful watches but are a little to pricey for what they offer
John the Greek If you watch the video it says it’s a Miyota Japanese moment not ETA.If it was Sellita or ETA it would be OK actually for the money.
Hmmm....... Not that I'm in the market, but it would appear (at least right now) the Aquascaphe's are priced at $1100 - $1200 on eBay. 8^O
Have you reviewed anything by arguably, the finest watch maker in this century, George Daniels? Either the Grand Complication, or the Space Traveller, would be a good start
though you are the best watch channel on youtube, if not one of the best, my heart still dies a little everytime you pronounced Miyota as “My-Yoh-Tah” it’s “Me-Yoh-Tah” actually 😂
Wonderful video review thanks 🤩
Thanks for the reviews.
the dive watch is stunning. and more to the point cheap enough to wear when i wont wear my 5510 , im off shopping.
I'd love to see a review of Stowa
I plan on getting one as a graduation gift for myself next year!
I would love to see your rewiew and take on the story of seagull
So happy you reviewed them, this is a micro brand done well
Can anyone speak to the quality of these Baltic watches?
The bracelet is crap.
I find it excellent! I own 3 Aquascaphes lol
Those watches cost about as much as the straps of watches usually featured on this channel.
Not even close for exemple à rolex métal strap is 2k
the baltic sea!! Also those guys are SUPER nice.
Watchfinder videos normally seem quite impartial, but this feels like I'm watching QVC.
Whether it is an advertisement or not, most importantly, the product is being reviewed correctly and not to mislead. Why should we get resisted on advertising? Do we get resisted if this advertised Rolex?
A Seagull for 500? Myota for 600?? Must be a slow day at the shop.
they said seagull movement have many problem
HMS-001: basic, low-beat Miyota 8-series movement, acrylic glass - and the price of 400 EUR. Like, srsly...?
The roddent 3.0
Overpriced. If you like Myota and SeaGull movements, you can find much more affordable native Chinese brands, such as Parnis, for example, or Seagull itself, for that matter
True but the Seagull 1963 dial just doesn't do it for me or the hands and makers but the Baltic looks fresh and clean I think i'm going to order the chrono model to add to my collection
But you do not buy just the movement you buy the whole watch. Buy whatever you want for yourself and let the others do just that for themselves. Cheers!
All watches are overpriced. You are purchasing for the design.
@@dragonmaster7841 sure, but I don't see good design here either. Of course, it's a matter of taste. Besides, good design without good movement is nothing. You can as well wear an empty beautiful watchcase then
@@rumatadestora I, and a lot of other people, love the design- definitely more than the Seagull design. If you don't, move on. I own watches that cost thousands and I own watches that cost less than $100. Most all of them are overpriced. I also think getting a column wheel chronograph with an interesting heritage at this price point is pretty cool.
Very stylish watches and they appear to offer a decent enough finish to justify the mark up. I wish the chronographs were in stock.
Another great review.
Who is Manuel and how is he Automatic?
Did I just hear "the premium Miyota 9039"? That's the most controversial part of the Aquascaphe - at that price point there is nothing premium about it. That said, it is really a beautiful watch.
Or seiko prospex for the same price.
the new TGV channel
Greg M TGV wished he would get close to this quality of content
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Just add opera in background and pretensious host with dumb intros with doing something in the downtown with your watch on.
It's a big mistake of Baltic not to make the 001 series anymore
Bit of an odd video, unless Watchmaker are going to start selling new watches from (a) certain brand(s)
Can we see a DW or MVMT review here in the future?
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How about Orient watches?
I've got an Orient Speedtech STI. The wife got it for me as an engagement gift. It's a fantastic watch, carbon fibre dial, automatic hacking movement, sapphire crystal and came in at under £400. The looks aren't for everyone, but I love it. Seems to stay accurate to +- 8s a day.
In terms of features and craftsmanship, I think it knocks these ones out of the park.
When watchfinder publishes a video with a watch you actually own. Pure joy.
Not something many would want to admit too. Best regards, Cleg Smegson
Cleg Smegson why not?
@@Giaigg My dear friend, it is not a Patek Philippe therefore not impressive and not worthy of comment. Best regards, Cleg Smegson
Cleg Smegson I see your point - the joy of watch collecting comes in many forms. Take care.
@@Giaigg Yes it does, Luigi I completely agree. And Baltics seem like fine pieces. Best regards , Cleg Smegson
6:06 funny way to say Jambon but really cool video nevertheless 👌🏻 Really dig what Baltic is doing!
I was def set on buying Baltic 12-3-6-9 dial watch, until I found out there’s no hacking. It’s not a huge deal, but it still bugged me. I wouldn’t mind paying a bit more for a better movement
Aquascaphe has hacking
I'd go for seagull FOD instead of the bicompax. Though i like the no date dial of aquascaphe
I wonder if this is a paid ad…
They have to disclose that
It is not as we mentioned several times in comment.
everything usually is. Why do you think they review so many rolexes
Yes it is paid of course
@@oh7624 It is not as we mentioned several times in comment...
I wont buy this watch, mainly because of the miyota movement. on the contrary I kinda like the seagull, anyways, but hey looooook, watch snobs alert.😅
no offense, different strokes for different folks. I am certain Baltic would appeal to a group of audience. nice job watchfinder, it's great show for everyone to catch a glimpse of these, whether we like it or not, it's always good to find out more. cheers.
wanker
Can I replace a clear case back for this watch to see the movement inside?
The chronograph is basically a rebranded Seagull, selling for nearly twice the price of the Chinese label. The aquascaph looks nice but 900 usd for a standard japanese movement equipped skin diver watch? Gekota of the uk recently offered a similar watch for nearly half the price. Baltic look nice but are way overpriced for what they are.
The diver looks nice, but for 900 dollars it is way overpriced. Might as well add 300 more and get a Rado Captain Cook 37mm on grey market.
Better brand history, Swiss ETA movement, better materials used and resale value. For 450, I might think about the Baltic diver.
I hope this is not the beginning of sponsored content. disappointed
The brand is owned by Richemont, which is barely disclosed, so I don't believe this is sponsored by another brand.
I wouldn't consider a Frenchman who waits for the next batch to arrive from China, a watchmaker. Embarrassing!
As far as I know these watches are assembled in France and not in China. Maybe the components come from China, who cares? Why so salty?
Do a review of Molnija, Raketa, Pobeda and Vostok watches
How low can Watchfinder go? Let's do Squaleeee, Daniel Wellington and Michel Kors watches next.
Are there any watch screen protectors you guys could recommend, like sticker type.
No. Just wear your watch
Do not waste your money.
Hmm what do we expect on this price point? Well for 395 you can get swissmatic so... definetely not seagul. I have seagul for which I gave 70 bucks
Well, wear your swissmatic in good health! I'd pick a Baltic everyday of the week. I don't understand why some people get so caught up on movements instead of taking into account the entire watch.
@@tfacison Well the movement is the heart of the watch of course you should get caught on it... On top of that i was talking about his commentary "what do you expect on this price level".. And well if we have to be honest on this price level i expect much more. There is shit-ton of competition for 400(at min). And if I get caught on the movement, I would ask why do you get caught on the looks and hype so much... I just dont see what the entire watch can offer in order to compensate for the lower level movement, and justify its price the acrylic crystals maybe... ... ... ... ... (sarcasm)
Cmon man you have no argument...
@@TheTransfix Considering the fact that the majority of watches below a certain price point are typically powered by only a few models of Seagull, Miyota, Seiko, or ETA movements, yet there are thousands of different designs by different makers, I'd say that looks definitely play a part in why one purchases a watch. Miyotas are tough as nails, for example, and if you manage to trash one (which would probably mean a destroyed watch), you can replace it for about $50, compared to spending $500 to have an in-house Swiss movement cleaned and oiled.
If we were all the same, the world would be a very boring place.
@@michaelw.6957 Well first of all there are many different miyotas and many different ETA's and those numbers you gave are false. If you can change miyota for 50 bucks that must be the crappiest cheapest miyota possible. And miyotas do have alot of problems reported all over the place. Only if you go to the more expensive models you see less complains and those are definetely not 50 to replace. The ETA as well doesnt cost 500 to replace. Average Eta costs 150$ in comparison with the miyota 70$... And to be honest even if it was 500$ to replace the movement I would pick any day any ETA ot Ronda against miyota. And when it comes to seiko, I have mine since 8 years and I never serviced it still runs like mofo.
I really have nothing against seagul and myiota, but at the end you cant justify your price having these movements inside... And not sapphire... you will be better of with Hamilton khaki for this price (for example)
And afcourse the look is importent, but there are alot of competitors at this price point that look amazing, have rich history and have high quality parts inside and out.
@@TheTransfix I mentioned ETAs alongside the 'cheap' movements, not the high-end Swiss movements that are $500 to service. They are fine as well, but far from 'in-house'. I speak for myself somewhat as far as the cost, as I can change movements fairly easily in most watches, but a genuine Miyota 8215 can still be found on Esslinger for around $53. Most of the variations in movements are from things such as jewel count and date complications, simply added or modified from the same family of movements; so I wouldn't say that my statement was outright false, as they are all still based off of the same family of movements. Seiko does make a great watch, and I concede to the idea of prestige of history and quality for the price. Though, just for comparison's sake, I bought a Tiger Concept 5508 with a DG2813 and a sapphire crystal for $160 that I have beat the crap out of daily for well over a year and it's still ticking away merrily.. so I suppose it's all relative lol.
And to Amazon I go. 😄👍👍
Il ooking at an Aquascaphe blue and gilt or an SBDC063 for my next big buy. Cannot decide.
Just in case anyone is unaware, that Seagull chrono movment has a failure rate of 40%+ in the field, from those that know. It's also completely disposable, you'd have to be insane to service it. So you wear the watch for a few years until it breaks, and then you throw it in the trash. I'm not really seeing the "value" here.
where do you get those numbers from? i call bullshit.
Mine has been keeping good time for about a year now, and has had its fair share of bumps and knocks. There is something comforting in knowing that if my movement is damaged beyond repair I can have a brand new one put in for about $150 instead of paying a $500 minimum service charge just to get the thing cleaned and oiled. Different strokes for different folks.
@@urieelSEptim From Chris Vail of NTH, who used to make a Seagull ST19 based chrono and now won't touch them with a 10 foot pole. "Then what happened? Delays. Delays. Delays. Trouble sourcing the ST19 - we had problems just getting the damned things from Seagull. When we got them, many of them were effed up. This isn't just "Chris is a boy playing a man's game, out of his depth." In Hong Kong we talked to a MAJOR vendor. They told us, they order 1000 pieces of the ST19, they send 600 back, they get the new 600 pieces, 300 go back. And on and on.
Finally, I get them, a few more than 200 out of the 250 pieces I'd ordered. The rest were held back for QC issues. And the ones I got - ehhh, no great shakes. I think we flagged 20-25 out of that first batch. And then - returns. I wasn't even done shipping out the first however many when I started getting emails - "Chris, my Riccardo stopped. Chris my Riccardo's crown won't turn. The seconds hand self-ejected. The rotor fell off. The Riccardo ate all the leftovers, emptied our bank accounts, stole my car, and made off with the neighbor's daughter." That's all I did from mid-November through January, handle defects returns (oh, and get the Acionna made, and delivered)."
Fake news
It would be lovely to see videos on tissot and Longines
2 money for value brands.
Great watches.
Nice looking watches.
I do not understand why more watch companies don't lume the bezel. That's a nice looking bezel on that dive watch. It's a nice watch!
Searched Watch and Co’s US site for Baltic. No results :/
Why does the lume on the aquascaphe look blue in this video? Isn't the lume green?
It's a dark blue. A captain's navy (almost black with little light) and a dark ocean blue with light. I have one and am pleased.
Great video! Please continue reviewing affordable entry level watches!
Title should be Baltic watch reviews
I don't get the Sinn trolling in every video's comment box in the last couple of videos. It's like their marketing department as no more ideas and lots of free time on their hands...
I was considering a Bicompax but it's really overpriced for what it is and the movement - it's a shame because it does look good.
How about Stowa or Laco? The Pforzheim based watchmakers make some great pieces and they have almost a hundred years of heritage each.
What does this have to do with buying a watch on ebay?
Are you saying buy this Baltic watch new, instead of going on ebay?
In less than a year, this watch will also be on ebay, when someone sells it in excellent condition at a cheaper price. 600 pounds for the dive watch IS still expensive to a lot of us!
Pretty meh to be honest. There are hoards of micro brands creating vintage inspired pieces. Those prices are somewhat outrageous for an 8 series Miyota and seagull.
Not sure I'd dare put my money on one of these microbrands. They have no lineage or more importantly track record. I'm bothered that they're built to a price point and margin requirement aimed at a specific segment of buyers perhaps too focused on style and VFM (must jave ceramic bezel, , sapphire glass etc.) Here today gone tomorrow. Main manufacturers have clocked on the the vintage trend long ago and have these offerings. A new Seiko Tuna or Turtle still looks like what it did 40 yrs ago...
A brand can't build a history if if doesn't ever start...
Nice design on the Aquascaphe, but a Miyota movement at that price? Non, non mes amis not for me. It would not cost much more to put a Sellita in there , so why Miyota? That cheapens it. And Seagull? Please , Baltic, that’s disrespecting yourselves and the customer. I would never touch a brand that uses Seagull in any of their watches. Have you ever seen a Seagull take a dump? It’s big and nasty. That’s what the movement is, a Seagull dump.
Cry more
Waiting for a Lorier review
I like this brand 😍