What is the FUTURE of FORESTRY in Nova Scotia?! | A Rant

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  • @aldredske6197
    @aldredske6197 9 місяців тому +7

    I feel your frustration.
    I'm a retired logger in central Wisconsin USA. We are having the same problem with getting rid of our pine pulpwood. The southern US pulpwood markets have undercut our market really bad. Our 12 and 16 foot saw bolts 6 inch and up are selling well and 9 foot stud logs 5 inch and up are pretty steady for the most part. If we really have to we can just leave the top stick in the woods. But I really hated doing that. Our pulpwood mills have switched over to more of a hardwood mix instead of pine.
    I'm kinda glad I'm out of the business now but not by choice. Long haul covid damage my heart and lung really bad about 2 years ago to the point I will never be able to log again after over 40 years in the business.
    Hopefully things pick up and get better for you.
    Take care my friend!!😀😀👍👍
    Logger Al

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      We really need these mills. Thanks

  • @paulharlow3986
    @paulharlow3986 6 місяців тому +1

    Some of the hospitals here in Nova Scotia burn wood chips for heat. They renew supplier contracts every two or three years. Understanding their chip requirements may put you at an advantage as some of the existing suppliers are using older technology and therefore not supplying great chips. Just a thought.

  • @jedidiah5131
    @jedidiah5131 9 місяців тому +2

    I know nothing about logging ,so thanks for the info. I live just outside of Liverpool, about 5 years ago they clear cut across the highway from me, about 1km square or a little more back from the highway 8, this year they are doing patch cutting ,I think thats what they call it. They went back another km and started to cut. I guess its for lumber not sure. They haven't hauled any out yet but have it all piled up. Must be 2 feet of mud on that road. Again thanks for the info.

  • @smorefirewood
    @smorefirewood 9 місяців тому +6

    Here in Maine it is much the same. Though firewood logs go for a premium. The world is a very volatile place. Death and taxes

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      Such a hard pill to swallow.

    • @smorefirewood
      @smorefirewood 9 місяців тому +2

      @@thelankylogger we do a bit of firewood and the big boys are all set up processing firewood and some sell it delivered for $155 per full cord. And logs go for $166 per full cord.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +2

      Never an issue moving firewood here as well. Sometimes hard to get at times.

  • @WoodchuckCanuck
    @WoodchuckCanuck 9 місяців тому +4

    We're over in southern Antigonish Co. Just finding your channel this morning, subbed and following. I was gonna say leave it standing until markets improve but after reading down through the comments and your replies I can see the predicament you are in. You said it's a bit more than a hobby. If you need to keep harvesting, over the next couple of months as you monitor your local market, I would suggest to focus on stud wood and firewood and leave the pulp on the stump as much as possible. Sell the pulp at break even or take a hit to move it. It's always a gamble. hopefully the profits from stud wood/firewood produced during the next couple of months (and no mechanical issues) will carry you to make it worthwhile.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      Very hard to leave the pulp as it is a high percentage of the wood that also needs cut. I understand what you mean though. Just can’t be done in this situation. Thanks for subscribing

  • @mitchwellman5297
    @mitchwellman5297 9 місяців тому +3

    I own a heavy construction company near pictou. The amount of wood ive burned and burried the ladt two years has been insane. Seems like it will be the same again this year.

  • @HeatherSanford-uo9qc
    @HeatherSanford-uo9qc 7 місяців тому +1

    Great info , hard to believe a dying industry
    Don't let it rot, just work away at it
    Think you have a right to feel this way

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  7 місяців тому

      Thanks for commenting Heather! I is hard to believe. I was such a strong industry for so many years.

  • @stevengonyaw1617
    @stevengonyaw1617 9 місяців тому +2

    There has been NO softwood pulp market here in northern Vermont for a few years ! You have to top your trees off at the last log and leave the tops in the woods. I miss the old 4' pulp days. Pile it up and have them come get it before the ground breaks.

  • @fabiancanada8876
    @fabiancanada8876 9 місяців тому +2

    Hi there! I have a German degree in forestry. While I was studying in Germany I was able to work as a summer student on Vancouver island for Western Forest Products. I had a blast there! Anyway, my wife and I ended up immigrating to Truro Nova Scotia in 2010. I started working as a silviculture worker running a spacing saw but there were always money problems. I eventually got tired of the whole forestry in Nova Scotia and switched to carpentry. I have a 6 ton excavator now and do garage slabs, etc. We have a 25 acre woodlot ourselves that we manage and I got a sawmill. I recently helped someone who has a big nice woodlot close to Tatamagouche. I cut about 5-6 cord/day (Spruce stud wood) with a chainsaw and really liked it but prices are so low (and trucking high?!) that the guy couldn't pay me enough to make it worthwhile.. and Fiona made such a mess that it makes everything even more difficult. Where are you located?

    • @fabiancanada8876
      @fabiancanada8876 9 місяців тому +1

      By the way we are paying 330$/month in property tax and home insurance now. We really liked it when we immigrated in 2010 but since the shutdown things have gotten really bad and I started wondering if it is not time to sell everything and move somewhere else. But we have two 10 year old children and too far away from retirement and don't work online so I am not sure what to do. The cost of living is so high and wages are extremely low.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      We are definitely in a hard spot here. Wood land was always a good investment. But not now. Like you said with the costs of doing business there is nothing left for the land owner. Stay in construction is all I can tell you. I’m in Colchester county as well. Thanks.

    • @fabiancanada8876
      @fabiancanada8876 9 місяців тому +1

      @@thelankylogger Wow, we are 5 min away from Truro. If you have a good woodlot and cut it yourself you can still do well to very well. Really the way to do it is to sell firewood (cut, split, delivered) or lumber directly from your woodlot to the customer. However the woodlots and/or forest management is just so bad here that there is no future (the forest is Germany on other hand is managed very well and they are doing good and will continue to do so if they keep up the good work). We have 25 acres that we manage ourselves and it will only improve as we keep working it the right way. My daughter is 10 years old now (but quite mature for her age) and we will start thinning it with her horse this year. We have an outdoor wood boiler that cleans up some of the trash/pulp wood which is good. Cheers!

  • @Ridgewood460
    @Ridgewood460 9 місяців тому +3

    In Ontario when the market fell out on us ( hardwoods ) most of us just parked our equipment and went and done other things. Better than working for nothing and wearing out equipment

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      That will be coming for many around here I’m afraid.

  • @scottdownie7010
    @scottdownie7010 9 місяців тому +2

    Invest in a big chipper and sell landscaping mulch is the best I can suggest. It’s been 35 years since I hauled pulp wood off the stronach mountain with grampy and the ox team.

  • @Fundy506
    @Fundy506 9 місяців тому +4

    From a management perspective I'd say cut it and cash out on the sawlogs and firewood while you can. But I do feel your pain on the pulp, it sucks giving wood away. Pulp markets aren't the greatest here in NB but at least they exist.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      Yes. At least they exist is right. I can remember getting 45.00 per ton roadside for pulp. Thanks

    • @bigfate3462
      @bigfate3462 9 місяців тому +1

      @@thelankylogger- Where was the price when the mill closed?

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      I believe 38.00 per/ton

    • @troytreeguy
      @troytreeguy 9 місяців тому +1

      Large woody debris is good for soil development. Cut the cream and leave the waste low in the bush. Not pretty landowners don’t like it but it’s sound forestry.

  • @danlaflamme9372
    @danlaflamme9372 9 місяців тому +2

    From x logger,. Keep the faith!! 🙏🤛🤜

  • @GrampiesWorkshop
    @GrampiesWorkshop 9 місяців тому +2

    How's she goin'? I certainly can understand your frustration. It is everyone's dream to have a job that we love to do, and I can tell from your video that you love your job. Too bad the outlook is so dim. I live kind of in the woods, although I don't work in the woods, and I see that most forests have been mainly developed for pulp and there are no more pulp mills. Nova Scotia has had terrible forest management over a lot of years and now folks like you are left to deal with it. Good luck buddy and just be thankful you can get to the woods and do what you love, even if the pay back is minimal. Take 'er easy!!

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +2

      I left the woods full time 11 years ago. It wasn’t good then. But I am thankful I got almost 25 year as a contractor doing what I love doing. We need our pulp mills to properly manage our wood land. And now all I see going on is guys are back to high grading. We are going backwards in our ways. Thanks.

  • @owen4902
    @owen4902 8 місяців тому +1

    There was two mills in my area,one switched into a timbermart a while ago, the other went under a few years ago, sad to see

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  8 місяців тому +1

      Really is sad to see the smaller mills fade away. The big players are pushing them out.

  • @Mason-sg6qm
    @Mason-sg6qm 9 місяців тому +2

    It’s really a sad state the forestry industry is in loosing Northern was a huge loss for this province they took everything that nobody else would now there’s very few markets and there always getting more then they need Fiona was a devastating storm it took out 1000s of acres of beautiful forest and basically nowhere for it to go now that’s heading into its second year of laying down it’s dry and heading for its end as saw logs so basically it’s going to lay and rot or burn because there will be a ton of dry fuel waiting for a spark at one time we could at least access the markets in NB but now soft wood can’t even go there do to the spruce bug so very limited opportunity in this province the only ones benefiting are the mills everyone else is loosing cut 20 cord get paid for 15 it’s dry as a cork now really is a shame I feel your pain

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      This province is going backwards. I have a hard time with this. Our government wants us to manage our wood lots properly but has taken our tools away to do so. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Saw mills are struggling to get rid of their chips and bark. So I see us loosing some saw mills soon as well.

  • @benscustomsawsandrepair
    @benscustomsawsandrepair 9 місяців тому +2

    Gday troy, have a little saw shop here in Hilden, I service saws and do some porting. Not likely at the top of your list of priorities but wondering if you'd be interested in trying some ported saws. Like to get them in the hands of people with experience for feedback ect.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      Yes I would be interested!

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      @benjaminblois8190 send me a DM on Instagram and we can chat!

    • @benscustomsawsandrepair
      @benscustomsawsandrepair 9 місяців тому

      @@thelankylogger I think I did couple days ago actually, not the best with the online stuff though

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      I’ll have a look!

  • @barnycanuck6234
    @barnycanuck6234 9 місяців тому +2

    Your glass is half full already...you get to be in the bush. A lot of people worldwide aren't in a happy place right now, keep the faith!

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      Oh! Absolutely!! It’s not all doom and gloom. The woods is my happy place.

  • @job38four10
    @job38four10 9 місяців тому +3

    If you can sell pulp in June then cut it down now while there is no mud or bugs and is fun to be in th woods, April through July is not a fun time in woods so to have wood out ready to send to mill is a good thing.......
    I'm in mid-coat ME. The paper mills here have been restrictive on buying pulpwood for the past 50 years, the past 20 years several have gone out of business. I remember cutting wood in the late70s and 80s the wood boss at times had trouble getting pulpwood tickets to haul to mill. I remember in the 60s my father couldn't get enough pulpwood out and would get more $$$ for peeled wood.
    The trouble is, it's not the paper market, it's these high production machine around the world that cut and an haul wood, even paper making is much faster. So now just one man can cut and haul 10 times more wood then 60 years ago, therefore we need less people to cut and haul wood, it;s the same with farming......
    What this world needs is lot more people to fix and repair all these high production machines, but the problem is people like you and me are not good at that, it takes highly educated people to repair a diesel engine with all the hydraulic features that is on a machine, and then all that stuff is highly computerized. The same with paper mils, but people like me can barely get on YT and all we know and want to do is just cut and haul wood with state of the art wood hauling machines....
    So thats the problem, to many people want to do the same thing in cutting wood, not enough people know how and or want to learn how, and or can learn how to fix these high production computerized machines. But I sure wish I could've learnt how 50 years ago, today I'd be very well off and wouldn't have to beg to sell wood, people would be begging me to fix their computerize machines!!!!!!
    So my advice is for people now is get saved in the blood of Jesus Christ, and then prepare for what everyone says. "it's not the end of the world". But according to God's word, the end of the world is coming, and by the way the world is now, it might be coming sooner rather then later if people keep voting these demonrat socialist in power like Brandon and Trudeau..............

  • @yonmusak
    @yonmusak 9 місяців тому +2

    It's crazy that the UK 'Drax' facility is basically burning Pacific West Coast, via pellet plants, when there's potential (I imagine) to ship from the East coast.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +2

      The pellet mill here sends pellets over from here in Nova Scotia. Yet we don’t have hardly any industry here burning them. It’s crazy how backwards things are. We need more demand for low grade wood and the opportunity’s are in our back yard.

  • @Gggrsz
    @Gggrsz 9 місяців тому +2

    We feel your pain down here on the South Shore of NS. Once the Mersey closed down here it was basically the end of cutting pulp wood here for the smaller guys like myself. I have the predicament of wanting to cut a lot of fir in some commercial thinnings but don’t have any market for it other than soft wood firewood, which there isn’t much market or money in it.
    I honestly down know how the contractors down here are making a go of it but they seem to be hanging on for now.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +3

      A wood lot with a high percentage of pulp is basically worthless where at one time wasn’t. It promotes high grading. Which is going backwards in the way forestry should be. Take the best and leave the rest. That is why this province was interduced to pulp mills back in the 1960’ The old timers high graded our forest and left the poor grade wood.

    • @Gggrsz
      @Gggrsz 9 місяців тому +1

      Yup it’s a damn shame how many woodlots are being high graded but unfortunately that’s just the new reality for Nova Scotia woodlots

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      Sad situation really.

  • @sevengulches
    @sevengulches 9 місяців тому +1

    Good video! We feel the same pain!

  • @Tonnsfabrication
    @Tonnsfabrication 9 місяців тому +2

    South eastern Ohio ( I'm not a logger) but know plenty of them. I hear the Mead pulp mill took on new owners and is being run into the ground, still see plenty of trucks heading that way though. Saw mills around here are not paying well and only want white oak or black walnut if they do. Any other tree is only good for firewood and all the firewood guys say sales are way down this winter. Things have been bad for a while, they're going to get way worse before they ever get better I fear. All the logs at the saw mill down the road where going in containers bound for China, I see that yard filling up now so I assume thats slowing down too. Seems its bad all around just a matter of time before the others catch up to the hard times.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      Yes it seems to cycle some over the years but I do believe we are definitely coming into a slowdown here it’s been coming for some time now. Wait for the housing market to crash because it is coming aswell I think. Thanks

    • @Tonnsfabrication
      @Tonnsfabrication 9 місяців тому

      @@thelankylogger Ya the fed is closing it's window to the banks in 10 days. Once the banks tighten up it's just a matter of time before half the smaller banks go under and the housing market tanks right behind it. Not to mention all the things tied to it which are many. These asshole bankers have put us in a bad way, hard times coming just as they planned it from the get go.

  • @Z-Bart
    @Z-Bart 9 місяців тому +2

    Your forest looks a lot like ours here in NE Minnesota. The spruce bud worm is devastating our trees. Big fire coming, I fear.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +2

      Hurricanes are our worst nightmare lately.

  • @ericsimp14
    @ericsimp14 9 місяців тому +1

    Whats your thoughts on letting the stand grow longer to prioritize the logs and stud to ofset the loss on the pulp?

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      The problem being is the wood lot is way over mature now. I’ve held on to it way too long now waiting for greener pastures. And now is blowing down with every wind we get. Now I am forced to cut it with a poor market for our wood products.

  • @brianolson1211
    @brianolson1211 9 місяців тому +2

    shutting down mills happens all over canada. I left nw ontario in 2004 after they shut the mill down. big companies trying to force the selling price to climb by shutting down mills thus increasing the sales by the few mills left running. However they don't care or think about jobs, people towns, and when they die so does the ability to sell to these people, thus lower sales.

  • @TitusOutdoorLiving
    @TitusOutdoorLiving 9 місяців тому +3

    Hard predicament, we still have our pulp market in NB but hardly worth cutting. Glad I don’t rely on this for a living. Couldn’t survive. Just a hobby and cleaning up our woodlot.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому

      Same situation here. One time the pulp is what we as contractors made our money. Certainly isn’t that way now.

  • @grumpy1311
    @grumpy1311 9 місяців тому +1

    Sounds like its an opportunity to focus elsewhere for awhile.
    Shift gears

  • @OpenAirAdventureFirewood
    @OpenAirAdventureFirewood 9 місяців тому +2

    I feel bad about your market issues. I'm not sure what your financial state is as a pulp and studwood supplier, but if possible, take it out. Do 1/3 pulp, 1/3 stud, and 1/3 firewood. You can sell the firewood, studwood and sit on the pulp.

  • @eriknelson6529
    @eriknelson6529 9 місяців тому

    You have to roll the dice and go with plan B and hope for the best. at least it's something.

  • @HeatherSanford-uo9qc
    @HeatherSanford-uo9qc 7 місяців тому +1

    You don't just do it for a hobby, you care about the cycle of the wood etc

  • @glennroy2726
    @glennroy2726 9 місяців тому

    Buy a bandsaw mill. Make some money now.

  • @24cupsandcounting
    @24cupsandcounting 9 місяців тому +1

    Biomass is worth good money.

    • @thelankylogger
      @thelankylogger  9 місяців тому +1

      Unfortunately not here. Which makes it very tough.

  • @tomsawyer247
    @tomsawyer247 9 місяців тому +1

    Invest in a saw mill.

  • @copperjacket00
    @copperjacket00 6 місяців тому +1

    Yeah Lanky , Liberals want to shut down forestry . PCT here N.S. Bowater , Northern etc. 15 years . Yeah do my own thing now . Changing my woods to mostly hardwoods , No more pulp wood I had enough government B.S.

  • @HeatherSanford-uo9qc
    @HeatherSanford-uo9qc 7 місяців тому +1

    You don't just do it for a hobby, you cate about the cycle of the wood etc

  • @HeatherSanford-uo9qc
    @HeatherSanford-uo9qc 7 місяців тому +1

    You don't just do it for a hobby, you cate about the cycle of the wood etc